Re: Slow bootup?

[Josh Gregory]

You could look into that, there might be something that is taking forever. I 
don't know but at this point anything is a possibility.

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 On Mar 27, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 I know, and I desperetly want to.  I just don’t totally know where to start.
 
 I might have a look at that memory keeper app that was recommended.
 
 Seeing this is happenning on multiple systems, I’m not totally convinced that 
 the issue is within the hardware of my ram, although, this being said, I 
 wonder if I am consistently across all my systems using an app which is 
 draining my memory.  Although, if that’s the case, then why would it be doing 
 so right when I boot up?  I really don’t honestly have all that much, if 
 anything, in my login items.
 
 Chris.
 
 On Mar 27, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I know dude, you should probably get that looked into though
 
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 On Mar 27, 2014, at 6:19 AM, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 I know you weren’t meaning it rudely.  I was half joking, half serious.  
 That said, yeah, I have no idea why it’s taking so long.
 
 Chris.
 
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Of course, I didn't mean it like that. That's an awful long time though.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Of corse I'm serious!  I wouldn't a written the list had I not been.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 2:20 PM
 Subject: Re: Slow bootup?
 
 
 What in the… Are you serious?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 I did, and they have no clue.  they clame my boot time really isn't 
 that bad.  Come on!  timed:  8 and a half minutes?  I don't freaking 
 think so!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami 
 marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 2:11 PM
 Subject: Re: Slow bootup?
 
 
 Actually I meant that for the original poster, halsworth. Yeah there 
 are 2 chris's  on this post. lol!  Looks like it might be time to call 
 apple care on this one. good luck.
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Yes, I did.  I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear, although I 
 thought I had.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami 
 marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:20 PM
 Subject: Re: Slow bootup?
 
 
 Have you tried a full reinstall of mavericks/ I did and although 
 slow, I do see a slight speed increase.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 12:45 AM, christopher hallsworth 
 christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 my Macbook Pro 2012 model running Os X 10.9.2 is slow booting up. 
 Once booted all is well. I'm thinking of doing a clean install as 
 never done one since owning this mac nearly two years ago. So 
 should I go ahead and do this? My processor is Core I5 and memory 
 is 4 GB. Any responses greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 Regards Chris
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
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Re: Track Pad Settings

[Josh Gregory]

Howard you go about doing this?

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 On Mar 26, 2014, at 9:25 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 To remove a wigit
 first check or uncheck the boxes of the wig its you want to disable or remove 
 then choose the option move to trash or disable.On Mar 26, 2014, at 8:08 AM, 
 isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The wigit t manager allows you to   remove and d 
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 8:04 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 What does a widget manager do?
 - Original Message - From: Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: Track Pad Settings
 
 
 The Dashboard is the widget manager. I leave the Dashboard short cut 
 enabled.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 26 Mar 2014, at 09:21, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 What is the function of the dash board?
 - Original Message - From: Ben J Bloomgren 
 bbloomg...@icloud.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:18 AM
 Subject: Re: Track Pad Settings
 
 
 Is there a way to disable the mission control without disabling the 
 dashboard.
 
 Ben J. Bloomgren
 
 Manager
 CLG Productions
 
 Http://www.clgproductions.com
 
 704-256-0067
 
 Hours: Nonday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Eastern accept 
 holidays.
 
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 1:15, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Eleanor,
 
 Mission Control is a way of managing open applications and organising 
 them into Spaces. Since VoiceOver does not take account of Spaces 
 (groups of applications used together for a given task), Mission 
 Control is useless to us. So this is why I disable Mission Control on 
 my computer.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 26 Mar 2014, at 09:04, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 fair point but do I not need mission control
 
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Re: Track Pad Settings

[Josh Gregory]

Right… Where is the widget manager?

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 On Mar 26, 2014, at 9:34 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You would go in to widget manager then choose the widgets you want to delete  
 or disable by checking or unchecking the boxes then tab to the disable button 
 to disable the widget or move to trash to remove the widget.
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Re: Track Pad Settings

[Josh Gregory]

Oh very good, thanks.

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 On Mar 26, 2014, at 12:26 PM, chris Apple Boy christopher...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Open the Dashboard and then open the Window Chooser menu it should be in 
 there.
 Regards Chris
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 26 Mar 2014, at 14:46, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Right… Where is the widget manager?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 9:34 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You would go in to widget manager then choose the widgets you want to 
 delete  or disable by checking or unchecking the boxes then tab to the 
 disable button to disable the widget or move to trash to remove the widget.
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Re: Slow bootup?

[Josh Gregory]

What in the… Are you serious?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 I did, and they have no clue.  they clame my boot time really isn't that bad. 
  Come on!  timed:  8 and a half minutes?  I don't freaking think so!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 2:11 PM
 Subject: Re: Slow bootup?
 
 
 Actually I meant that for the original poster, halsworth. Yeah there are 2 
 chris's  on this post. lol!  Looks like it might be time to call apple care 
 on this one. good luck.
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Yes, I did.  I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear, although I thought I 
 had.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:20 PM
 Subject: Re: Slow bootup?
 
 
 Have you tried a full reinstall of mavericks/ I did and although slow, I 
 do see a slight speed increase.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 12:45 AM, christopher hallsworth 
 christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 my Macbook Pro 2012 model running Os X 10.9.2 is slow booting up. Once 
 booted all is well. I'm thinking of doing a clean install as never done 
 one since owning this mac nearly two years ago. So should I go ahead and 
 do this? My processor is Core I5 and memory is 4 GB. Any responses 
 greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 Regards Chris
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
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Re: Slow bootup?

[Josh Gregory]

Of course, I didn't mean it like that. That's an awful long time though.

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 On Mar 26, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Christopher gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 Of corse I'm serious!  I wouldn't a written the list had I not been.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 2:20 PM
 Subject: Re: Slow bootup?
 
 
 What in the… Are you serious?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 I did, and they have no clue.  they clame my boot time really isn't that 
 bad.  Come on!  timed:  8 and a half minutes?  I don't freaking think so!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 2:11 PM
 Subject: Re: Slow bootup?
 
 
 Actually I meant that for the original poster, halsworth. Yeah there are 2 
 chris's  on this post. lol!  Looks like it might be time to call apple 
 care on this one. good luck.
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Yes, I did.  I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear, although I thought I 
 had.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:20 PM
 Subject: Re: Slow bootup?
 
 
 Have you tried a full reinstall of mavericks/ I did and although slow, I 
 do see a slight speed increase.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 12:45 AM, christopher hallsworth 
 christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 my Macbook Pro 2012 model running Os X 10.9.2 is slow booting up. Once 
 booted all is well. I'm thinking of doing a clean install as never done 
 one since owning this mac nearly two years ago. So should I go ahead 
 and do this? My processor is Core I5 and memory is 4 GB. Any responses 
 greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 Regards Chris
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
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Re: Track Pad Settings

[Josh Gregory]

A little explanation would be helpful here, how do you get widget manager, 
where exactly do you get it from?

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 On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:49 PM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 First you have to install widget manager. Next go in to system preferences 
 then go to widget manager then choose the widgets you want to disable or 
 delete then tab to the move to trash or disable button. Widgets are like 
 iCons to applications such as weather and other apps.
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 3:45 PM, Margaret margaretebo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How do you get into widget manager? Can you explain exactly what widget is 
 used for. I have seen posts talking about widget manager but I have never 
 worked out what it is all about. 
 
 Margaret 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 27 Mar 2014, at 12:34 am, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You would go in to widget manager then choose the widgets you want to 
 delete  or disable by checking or unchecking the boxes then tab to the 
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Re: Skype on the Mac

[Josh Gregory]

Actually no, a little bit of misinformation, there is a checkbox on the Sign in 
 screen to remember your password and stuff. Or at least there was the last 
time I did it.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 25, 2014, at 10:44 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes that is the case you will have to sign in to Skype every time.
 On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Isaac, I was told in the Apple store that I would have to sign in to 
 Skype every time on the Mac Book Air.  They said this was a security thing. 
 Is this the case?
 
 Eleanor
 - Original Message - From: isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 8:20 PM
 Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac
 
 
 To answer a call  when vo tells you that you have a call and when the Skype 
 window comes up then vo right to the accept button and the call will start.
 On Mar 24, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Margaret margaretebo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How do you answer a call?
 
 Margaret
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 25 Mar 2014, at 12:49 am, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 To hang up call just press command shift h.
 On Mar 24, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie 
 caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 speaking of skype on the mac, how do you hang up on a call?
 thanks!
 Cait
 
 On Mar 24, 2014, at 4:33 AM, Eleanor Burke 
 eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Thank you for this Sarah.
 
 Eleanor
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami 
 marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:44 AM
 Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac
 
 
 to learn the basics of skype for mac see this link.
 
 http://www.tffppodcast.com/looking-at-skype-5-for-mac/
 
 95 percent of the concepts will stay the same as skype 6 looks almost 
 like skype 5. the only difference will be the grid that's shown. in 
 skype 6. the concept will how ever remain the same.
 
 Hth.
 On Mar 23, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net 
 wrote:
 
 Hello there. If you are logged into it on the mac and then sign into 
 it on another device it will sign you out. There should be a checkbox 
 or something that says keep me signed  in or something like that or 
 remember password.
 On Mar 23, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Eleanor Burke 
 eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Can I keep logged in to Skype on my Mac?  I have to enter my 
 Password every time I wish to use it on the Mac.  How do I use Skype 
 on the Mac? Is there a podcast on this?  I know how Skype comes up 
 on my iPad Mini and iPhone but it does not seem to come up like this 
 on the Mac.
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Re: problems with iBooks on the mac.

[Josh Gregory]

This program is not quite accessible yet with an OS X, from what we know 
they're working to fix it

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 On Mar 24, 2014, at 8:41 PM, Ian McNamara ianmcnamar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all, don’t know if anyone can help with this. I seem to be having a 
 problem with ibooks on the mac. When I read some of my books it will start 
 reading then keep saying text text text. Then after scrolling threw it’ll 
 then start reading other bits of the book having failed to read the bits 
 before it. These certain books read fine on my iPhone so I don’t get why this 
 is happening.
 
 wonder if anyone can give me any help or suggestions.
 
 Thanks very much.
 
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Re: problems with iBooks on the mac.

[Josh Gregory]

Sarah, completely agree, I don't really use iBooks that often but if it became 
more accessible I might give it a shot

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 On Mar 24, 2014, at 8:49 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Tha'ts what I hear, and actually that's whats holding my adeneum up. I have 2 
 files out, but yeah ibooks really needs  to become better. 'm quite surprised 
 that if there were beta testers of this software who were visually impaired 
 that they either never reported the troubles, which is unlikely,, or apple 
 never pays attention and they have done the we're working on it and we'll 
 forward it dance. which is more likely.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 24, 2014, at 5:45 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This program is not quite accessible yet with an OS X, from what we know 
 they're working to fix it
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 Hi all, don’t know if anyone can help with this. I seem to be having a 
 problem with ibooks on the mac. When I read some of my books it will start 
 reading then keep saying text text text. Then after scrolling threw it’ll 
 then start reading other bits of the book having failed to read the bits 
 before it. These certain books read fine on my iPhone so I don’t get why 
 this is happening.
 
 wonder if anyone can give me any help or suggestions.
 
 Thanks very much.
 
 Ian McNamara
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Re: problems with iBooks on the mac.

[Josh Gregory]

Very strange indeed, but regardless, some of the buttons and things are 
unlabeled, this might seem trivial to summon that is fine, but it does impact 
Usability by just a little bit

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 On Mar 24, 2014, at 8:50 PM, Ian McNamara ianmcnamar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It is odd because some of them read absulootly fine and some don’t. 
 
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Re: Reminder Regarding List Policy

[Josh Gregory]

Come on really?  they're not bad people but don't enable people like that, they 
should at least do research  first.

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 Hello everybody
 
 Recently we have been receiving a number of complaints regarding the on-list 
 behaviour of certain members. I would like to point out a few small items 
 regarding the behaviour of group members because it would appear that list 
 policy is sometimes not at the forefront of members minds when they write.
 
 First of all, however, I’d like to address an issue which is persistently 
 arising. That is, members who are trying to carbon copy, (CC) other 
 addresses, or adding other addresses to the “To:” field. Either of these 
 methods of posting is what is known as “Implicit destinations”.
 
 Many lists do not enforce the implicit destination control. But we had to 
 enable it some time ago due to the fact that a member joined our group and 
 attempted to use us as a spam relay. Implicit destinations is a technique 
 which spammers use to propagate their malicious or otherwise offensive 
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 So basically, let me spell it out for the benefit of new or recently new 
 members. You cannot add Mac Access as either a secondary or a primary address 
 in a message which you want to send to other groups or to individuals. Both 
 of these methods are trapped by our server and are flagged for our attention.
 
 If you believe you have a good reason for doing this on a specific occasion, 
 you are free to contact us to provide an explanation, and we may opt to use 
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 Thirdly, I’d like to remind list members that it is not appropriate for 
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 That having been said, I would like to point out that this group does have 
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 We are currently undertaking a review of recent traffic and will take any 
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Re: Chrome Web Store - ChromeVox

[Josh Gregory]

Yes you can, I think it is somewhere in Chromevox's preferences.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 21, 2014, at 4:14 AM, Chris Apple boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 Can we use Os X's system voice with ChromeVox? I have it set to British 
 English Daniel. Thanks!
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 21/03/2014 01:49, JAKE JOEHL wrote:
 Hi everyone. I’ve been playing around with Chromevox a bit, and I love it. I 
 just found the Google American-English voice, I think Grizelda is her name. 
 She doesn’t sound that bad. A bit snobbish perhaps, but I still like her. I 
 wonder if she has any relation to Grizelda of the now-defunct eVoice? I’m 
 going to play with Chromevox some more, but I think Google really did a nice 
 job with it and I told them so over in one of their discussion groups.
 Jake
 
 
 
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:11 PM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:
 
 Hi everyone. I’m trying to install Chromevox but I think I’m a bit lost. 
 The Chromevox website at http://www.chromevox.com  says to activate the 
 “Add to Chrome” button, but I’m not finding that. Where might I be going 
 astray here?  Here is where I went to try and get Chromevox.
 Jake
 
 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
 
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Re: Chrome Web Store - ChromeVox

[Josh Gregory]

That was me, thanks a lot.

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 On Mar 21, 2014, at 9:29 AM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:
 
 I’m not sure yet, still figuring it out but it is definitely a keeper for me. 
 To the person who asked how I found the American-English Google TTS voice, I 
 went to the Options page of Chromevox by hitting Command-Control-O and then O 
 by itself. All the voices are listed there. This page only seems to come up 
 if you already have a website open in Chrome, but I’m going to do some more 
 with it today or this weekend.
 Jake
 JAKE JOEHL
 jajo...@att.net
 
 
 
 On Mar 21, 2014, at 3:14 AM, Chris Apple boy christopher...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all
 Can we use Os X's system voice with ChromeVox? I have it set to British 
 English Daniel. Thanks!
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 21/03/2014 01:49, JAKE JOEHL wrote:
 Hi everyone. I’ve been playing around with Chromevox a bit, and I love it. 
 I just found the Google American-English voice, I think Grizelda is her 
 name. She doesn’t sound that bad. A bit snobbish perhaps, but I still like 
 her. I wonder if she has any relation to Grizelda of the now-defunct 
 eVoice? I’m going to play with Chromevox some more, but I think Google 
 really did a nice job with it and I told them so over in one of their 
 discussion groups.
 Jake
 
 
 
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:11 PM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:
 
 Hi everyone. I’m trying to install Chromevox but I think I’m a bit lost. 
 The Chromevox website at http://www.chromevox.com  says to activate the 
 “Add to Chrome” button, but I’m not finding that. Where might I be going 
 astray here?  Here is where I went to try and get Chromevox.
 Jake
 
 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
 
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Re: Chrome Vox and bookmarks

[josh gregory]

Actually I don't think you can, you have to get it from chrome.google.com.

On 3/21/14, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes you can get crome from the app store.
 On Mar 21, 2014, at 10:31 AM, wayne17a wayne...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi all do you get chrome from the app store thanks in advance

 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Juaanita Marttin
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:06 AM
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: Chrome Vox and bookmarks

 Oh, I thought that just worked for Safari's bookmarks. My bad.  Got it
 working now.  Thanks.

 On Mar 20, 2014, at 10:36 PM, Christopher gilland
 ch...@clgproductions.com
 wrote:

 Are they not up in your menu bar?  Can you not hit vo+M to go to the
 menu
 bar, then vo+right arrow over to your bookmarks menu?

 Chris.

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 jordmar...@suddenlink.net
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:59 PM
 Subject: Chrome Vox and bookmarks


 Chrome Vox is pretty cool.  My question is still:
 How do you get to the bookmarks from within it?
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Re: Chrome Web Store - ChromeVox

[Josh Gregory]

Hi, how did you find the voice?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 20, 2014, at 9:49 PM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:
 
 Hi everyone. I’ve been playing around with Chromevox a bit, and I love it. I 
 just found the Google American-English voice, I think Grizelda is her name. 
 She doesn’t sound that bad. A bit snobbish perhaps, but I still like her. I 
 wonder if she has any relation to Grizelda of the now-defunct eVoice? I’m 
 going to play with Chromevox some more, but I think Google really did a nice 
 job with it and I told them so over in one of their discussion groups.
 Jake
 
 
 
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:11 PM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:
 
 Hi everyone. I’m trying to install Chromevox but I think I’m a bit lost. The 
 Chromevox website at http://www.chromevox.com  says to activate the “Add to 
 Chrome” button, but I’m not finding that. Where might I be going astray 
 here?  Here is where I went to try and get Chromevox.
 Jake
 
 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
 
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

[Josh Gregory]

Hi, for the navigation issue try the left and up, and right and up  arrows 
together to get two links, headings, etc. then use the up-and-down arrows to 
navigate through the selected elements. To go.back aPage, press command and the 
left bracket key together, to go forward, command and the right bracket 
together.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an effecient 
 manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that navagating by 
 single character is checked.  Now my problems are that the only way I am able 
 to navigate a page is by using the right arrow so 10 presses of it will take 
 me to the 10th link, that is if there are no headings in between, in which 
 case it will take me even longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and 
 this tells me how many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once 
 or twice on any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to 
 another web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick 
 on a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!  Thanks.
 
 Eleanor 
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

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Lol no problem, no you don't have to use the voice over plus u command, you can 
just use the arrow keys and it will take you through the roter options

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 On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sorry to be stupid here, do you mean after I press vo and u to navagate this 
 way with the arrow keys?
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:03 AM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Hi, for the navigation issue try the left and up, and right and up  arrows 
 together to get two links, headings, etc. then use the up-and-down arrows to 
 navigate through the selected elements. To go.back aPage, press command and 
 the left bracket key together, to go forward, command and the right bracket 
 together.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that 
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that the 
 only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow so 10 
 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there are no 
 headings in between, in which case it will take me even longer.  I can 
 bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how many links, headings 
 etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on any of these just gives 
 me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another web page and want to go back I 
 do not know how to do this, so quick on a Windows machine with a 2 key 
 press and I am back.  Please help!  Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: poor results tap tap see

[Josh Gregory]

It might depend on how you are placing the object.

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 On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:19 AM, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 hi all i note that with tap tap see when one pays for the credits, and a tin 
 is canned half the time it is not telling us what is in the said tin for 
 example so why pay for credits, when half to hem are wasting away it seems, 
 to determine one or two objects?
 i am getting the focus beep for the image on my 4s but find it off putting 
 that chargeable credits are being used when to me, if you a re charging for 
 the service, shouldn't a first time approach be guaranteed?
 sighted people know what an object is first time usually without having to 
 keep re-examining it
 just my thoughts
 william
 
 
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

[Josh Gregory]

You can use the voiceover search function and try to find the text that the 
link contains…

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 On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Yes but what I want is to cut time and instead of arrowing down through all 
 the links say, I want to ump to link 10 is there a way of doing that?
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:14 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Lol no problem, no you don't have to use the voice over plus u command, you 
 can just use the arrow keys and it will take you through the roter options
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sorry to be stupid here, do you mean after I press vo and u to navagate 
 this way with the arrow keys?
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:03 AM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Hi, for the navigation issue try the left and up, and right and up arrows 
 together to get two links, headings, etc. then use the up-and-down arrows 
 to navigate through the selected elements. To go.back aPage, press command 
 and the left bracket key together, to go forward, command and the right 
 bracket together.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke 
 eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that 
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that the 
 only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow so 10 
 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there are no 
 headings in between, in which case it will take me even longer.  I can 
 bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how many links, 
 headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on any of these 
 just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another web page and want 
 to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on a Windows machine 
 with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!  Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: Demo Of The Logitech UE Boombox

[Josh Gregory]

Very nice, sounds very pleasurable to the ear.

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 On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 Here it is folks as requested and I apologies if the quality is lacking a 
 little here as the recording was rushed but I think you'll get the general 
 idea, the Logitech Boombox does indeed Boom!
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Logitech%20UE%20Boombox%20Demo.mp3
 If link doesn't work the first time then try again in a few minutes, file may 
 still be uploading to Dropbox.
 
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Re: Gesture for slide to stop

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Just out of curiosity, what app is this?

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 On Mar 18, 2014, at 10:54 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Have you tried double tapping and holding while you slide?
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello, 
 I am running the latest IOS 6 on my iPhone 3GS. 
 
 One of my favourite apps has a button which VO voices as slide to stop. Is 
 there a gesture which will achieve this? I have tried double tapping and 
 flicking in all directions with 1 finger and with 2 fingers but to no 
 effect. the only way I can stop the app is to go to the app switcher and use 
 the gesture to kill the app there.
 
 Many thanks for any tips
 
 Paul Hopewell
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Re: Radio Volume and VO Volume

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If no such slider exists, I'm not sure there is a way to do this.

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 On Mar 18, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 I am talking about listening to radio via Safari.  I would be using the BBC 
 iPlayer and there will be a volume slider on it so that I would be increasing 
 radio volume rather than also increasing voice over volume.
 - Original Message - From: JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 1:56 PM
 Subject: Re: Radio Volume and VO Volume
 
 
 If you’re talking about iTunes Radio, command-up arrow will increase the 
 volume, and command-down arrow will decrease it. I’m not sure how to do this 
 in any other apps as I haven’t tried them yet. Hth.
 Jake
 JAKE JOEHL
 jajo...@att.net
 
 
 
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 wrote:
 
 If I am listening to the radio and want to increase the volume, how do I do 
 this independent of the voice over volume please?
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Re: Adium as of today

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No offense meant but you must've set that up yourself, it doesn't come like 
that by default

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 On Mar 16, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Chris Apple boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How is Adium as of today? The last time I used it it was ok but didn't like 
 the system voice announcing when someone is connected then online. If they're 
 connected then to me they're online or in some other status other than 
 offline so don't need to know whether they're connected as well as their 
 actual status. As a result I gave up on it. Any comments greatly appreciated.
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Re: Reading eBraille Files On A Mac Or IOS Device

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Hey wait a minute… Is this NFB thing free?

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 I just download the braille file, and use the nfb translator to backtranslate 
 to ascii text.  I then load it into text edit, and save as file format of my 
 choice.  Sometimes, cleanup is necessary (such as replacing 60 with 
 exclamation point and quote, but generally the errors aren't enough to cause 
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Re: Totally strange problem with the Facebook I O S app

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I believe they took out the notification and vibrate sounds a while ago. Yeah I 
know vibration isn't a sound but you get what I mean.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 14, 2014, at 10:27 PM, Christopher Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 OK, this is really strange.  All of a sudden, I seem to have completely lost 
 Facebook notification sounds.  If I use Siri, I do hear the swoosh sound, but 
 otherwise, I get nothing.  For instance, I wrote something on my wall 
 earlier.  I've been getting comments left and right.  I know I have, as my 
 phone's been sitting on the desk right here in front of me, and I heard 
 Voiceover speak when the screen unlocked due to the push notification of a 
 new comment.  This however said, I don't get the tri-tone sound, nor do I get 
 any other sound at all.  Come to think of it, I don't even get any vibration 
 alerts either from Facebook.  This is driving me absolutely crazy! I'm a 
 very! advanced I O S user, and you'd think that there wouldn't be anything 
 I've missed.  Pretty much, the only thing I've not done is to uninstall, and 
 reinstall the app.  That's probably gonna be the next thing on my checklist 
 to try, unless you guys have any other ideas.  Here's what I've tried so far. 
  Actual
 ly, before I get to that though, come to think of it, I don't know that 
reinstalling would help, as now that I think of it, I'm having the exact same 
problem on my IPad, as well as on my IPhone.  So it's not apparently 
installation specific.
 
 Anyhow, here's what I've so far done to trouble shoot this.
 
 1.  Make absolutely sure I'm not on silent/vibrate mode, and I'm not.
 
 2.  reboot the device.
 
 3.  Press home and sleep for several seconds and let the phone hard reset.
 
 4.  Close the app from the app switcher, and relaunch it.  No good.
 
 5.  Clear all FB notifications from Notification center just in case 
 something's hung up.  NO good.
 
 6.  Made sure sounds were enabled for FB alerts, and they are.
 
 7.  Make sure vibrate alerts are enabled for FB, and they are.
 
 8.  Make sure push notifications for comments are enabled.  They definitely 
 are.
 
 9.  Make sure Facebook is set to sounds on, and it is.
 
 10.  toggle the sound settings off then back on to refresh things.
 
 11.  Plug in headphones to see if the sound mysteriously is getting routed 
 through there even though nothing's plugged in.  Not the case.
 
 12.  Make sure Facebook is set to show on the notification center, and the 
 lock screen.  It is.
 
 13.  Read the compatibility notes on the app store page to be sure I O S 7.1 
 is supported.  Though it doesn't directly say it is, it doesn't directly say 
 it's not either.
 
 14.  Made sure the Facebook app is set to sounds, alerts, bannars.  It was.
 
 15.  Enable badges for the Facebook app.  I know this shouldn't make a 
 difference, but I did so anyway, just in case.
 
 16.  Made sure there was no update to the app that needed to be installed. 
 There definitely isn't.
 
 So, yeah, on I O S 7.1.  I don't think however this worked in 7.0 either.  I 
 kind a remember them being broken there too, although I didn't use the app 
 much until very very recently, so at that time, I honestly didn't really 
 think about it to much, nor really care too much about it.  I hate to think 
 I'm gonna have to get a different FB app, but if I can't have audible alert 
 tones for my notifications, then I'm sorry, but that's a dealbreaker.  And, 
 quite a big one, if I may say myself.
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 Chris. 
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Re: Totally strange problem with the Facebook I O S app

[Josh Gregory]

  don't worry dude I get it. But even with the sound on it hasn't worked for me.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Christopher Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 I dono, Josh.  The options are definitely there to enable them, so if that's 
 the case, how do you figure they took them out?  I'm not trying to challenge 
 you're statement.  Don't mistake my point.  I'm only asking totally out of 
 curiosity, so I can better understand.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 11:07 PM
 Subject: Re: Totally strange problem with the Facebook I O S app
 
 
 I believe they took out the notification and vibrate sounds a while ago. 
 Yeah I know vibration isn't a sound but you get what I mean.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 14, 2014, at 10:27 PM, Christopher Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 OK, this is really strange.  All of a sudden, I seem to have completely 
 lost Facebook notification sounds.  If I use Siri, I do hear the swoosh 
 sound, but otherwise, I get nothing.  For instance, I wrote something on my 
 wall earlier.  I've been getting comments left and right.  I know I have, 
 as my phone's been sitting on the desk right here in front of me, and I 
 heard Voiceover speak when the screen unlocked due to the push notification 
 of a new comment.  This however said, I don't get the tri-tone sound, nor 
 do I get any other sound at all.  Come to think of it, I don't even get any 
 vibration alerts either from Facebook.  This is driving me absolutely 
 crazy! I'm a very! advanced I O S user, and you'd think that there wouldn't 
 be anything I've missed.  Pretty much, the only thing I've not done is to 
 uninstall, and reinstall the app.  That's probably gonna be the next thing 
 on my checklist to try, unless you guys have any other ideas.  Here's what 
 I've tried so far.  Actu
 al
 ly, before I get to that though, come to think of it, I don't know that 
 reinstalling would help, as now that I think of it, I'm having the exact 
 same problem on my IPad, as well as on my IPhone.  So it's not apparently 
 installation specific.
 
 Anyhow, here's what I've so far done to trouble shoot this.
 
 1.  Make absolutely sure I'm not on silent/vibrate mode, and I'm not.
 
 2.  reboot the device.
 
 3.  Press home and sleep for several seconds and let the phone hard reset.
 
 4.  Close the app from the app switcher, and relaunch it.  No good.
 
 5.  Clear all FB notifications from Notification center just in case 
 something's hung up.  NO good.
 
 6.  Made sure sounds were enabled for FB alerts, and they are.
 
 7.  Make sure vibrate alerts are enabled for FB, and they are.
 
 8.  Make sure push notifications for comments are enabled.  They definitely 
 are.
 
 9.  Make sure Facebook is set to sounds on, and it is.
 
 10.  toggle the sound settings off then back on to refresh things.
 
 11.  Plug in headphones to see if the sound mysteriously is getting routed 
 through there even though nothing's plugged in.  Not the case.
 
 12.  Make sure Facebook is set to show on the notification center, and the 
 lock screen.  It is.
 
 13.  Read the compatibility notes on the app store page to be sure I O S 
 7.1 is supported.  Though it doesn't directly say it is, it doesn't 
 directly say it's not either.
 
 14.  Made sure the Facebook app is set to sounds, alerts, bannars.  It was.
 
 15.  Enable badges for the Facebook app.  I know this shouldn't make a 
 difference, but I did so anyway, just in case.
 
 16.  Made sure there was no update to the app that needed to be installed. 
 There definitely isn't.
 
 So, yeah, on I O S 7.1.  I don't think however this worked in 7.0 either. I 
 kind a remember them being broken there too, although I didn't use the app 
 much until very very recently, so at that time, I honestly didn't really 
 think about it to much, nor really care too much about it.  I hate to think 
 I'm gonna have to get a different FB app, but if I can't have audible alert 
 tones for my notifications, then I'm sorry, but that's a dealbreaker.  And, 
 quite a big one, if I may say myself.
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 Chris.
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Re: Reading eBraille Files On A Mac Or IOS Device

[Josh Gregory]

Thanks much it's greatly appreciated.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote:
 
 
 On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Josh Gregory wrote:
 
 Hey wait a minute… Is this NFB thing free?
 
 Yah, and you can download it from my softcon mac pages at 
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/
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Wine

[Josh Gregory]

Hi,
I had wine a while back… And it says it's supposed to make Mac applications of 
Windows things, or that was when I had it a while ago.
What is it really meant for?
Is it accessible? I had it a while ago and could never really figure it out.
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Re: Transferring Music to Mac

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Depends on what you mean, you can transferred over to your Mac and it will 
automatically open an iTunes

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Re: iMessage

[Josh Gregory]

Hi, yes, this is correct. And video  will be compressed down to 30 seconds, and 
you can send voice memos, but I believe the same 32nd rule applies for those as 
well.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 7, 2014, at 2:14 PM, alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Video and picks yes and audio don’t know.  I think only voice memos.
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 I know you can send text messages, can you send audio and Video like you can 
 with Skype?
 
 On 7 Mar 2014, at 3:42 pm, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No iMessages goes through apple's servers skipping the carrier intirely. 
 This is how you can send an iMessage through let;s say an iPod or iPad 
 device. 
 
 iMessage is quite was to use on the mac. In fact the interface looks a 
 little bit like adiums in that not eft is your message area where text is 
 and not he firhg tiright is the text area wherein you type the  wrote: 
 message and your motes and stuff.
 
 Take care.
 
 Hi!
 
 I've been using iMessage lately and its a sure improvement on the standard 
 SMS so I'm wondering if someone can give me more detail on how the system 
 works, does iMessage actually send text through the standard SMS services 
 in text chunks or what.
 
 I'm using iMessage on my IOS devices so just how easy is it to use on a 
 Mac using OSX?
 
 
 
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Re: iMessage

[Josh Gregory]

Sarah, perhaps they changed this more recently. Last time I tried it was only 
30 seconds.

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 On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually that's not true.  I can send up to 100 mb of a voice memo and that 
 is about 3 hours. I've tested this.  Iv'e also sent 4 minute long videos with 
 out trouble. Not much but there you go.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, yes, this is correct. And video  will be compressed down to 30 seconds, 
 and you can send voice memos, but I believe the same 32nd rule applies for 
 those as well.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 2:14 PM, alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Video and picks yes and audio don’t know.  I think only voice memos.
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 I know you can send text messages, can you send audio and Video like you 
 can with Skype?
 
 On 7 Mar 2014, at 3:42 pm, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No iMessages goes through apple's servers skipping the carrier intirely. 
 This is how you can send an iMessage through let;s say an iPod or iPad 
 device. 
 
 iMessage is quite was to use on the mac. In fact the interface looks a 
 little bit like adiums in that not eft is your message area where text is 
 and not he firhg tiright is the text area wherein you type the  wrote: 
 message and your motes and stuff.
 
 Take care.
 
 Hi!
 
 I've been using iMessage lately and its a sure improvement on the 
 standard SMS so I'm wondering if someone can give me more detail on how 
 the system works, does iMessage actually send text through the standard 
 SMS services in text chunks or what.
 
 I'm using iMessage on my IOS devices so just how easy is it to use on a 
 Mac using OSX?
 
 
 
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Re: iMessage

[Josh Gregory]

Perhaps we are thinking of different things here? I am referring to iOS. You 
seem to be referring to Mac.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 7, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No it's been the case since iMessage came out in 2012 under mountain lion.  I 
 sent audios videos, ogg files, pictures, text files and once a contract 
 pasted in to see if I could make the app freeze.  So far I could not.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sarah, perhaps they changed this more recently. Last time I tried it was 
 only 30 seconds.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually that's not true.  I can send up to 100 mb of a voice memo and that 
 is about 3 hours. I've tested this.  Iv'e also sent 4 minute long videos 
 with out trouble. Not much but there you go.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, yes, this is correct. And video  will be compressed down to 30 
 seconds, and you can send voice memos, but I believe the same 32nd rule 
 applies for those as well.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 2:14 PM, alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Video and picks yes and audio don’t know.  I think only voice memos.
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 I know you can send text messages, can you send audio and Video like you 
 can with Skype?
 
 On 7 Mar 2014, at 3:42 pm, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No iMessages goes through apple's servers skipping the carrier 
 intirely. This is how you can send an iMessage through let;s say an 
 iPod or iPad device. 
 
 iMessage is quite was to use on the mac. In fact the interface looks a 
 little bit like adiums in that not eft is your message area where text 
 is and not he firhg tiright is the text area wherein you type the  
 wrote: message and your motes and stuff.
 
 Take care.
 
 Hi!
 
 I've been using iMessage lately and its a sure improvement on the 
 standard SMS so I'm wondering if someone can give me more detail on 
 how the system works, does iMessage actually send text through the 
 standard SMS services in text chunks or what.
 
 I'm using iMessage on my IOS devices so just how easy is it to use on 
 a Mac using OSX?
 
 
 
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Re: iMessage

[Josh Gregory]

Oh nice, I wasn't aware of that.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:48 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yeah. Dane was talking about the mac.
 
 Ios, the videos have been increased to around 3 or 4 minutes, that I have not 
 tested, but I did send a 20 minute long voice memo just a few days ago to 
 someone as they needed me to go over something and all they could do was a 
 lecture like style.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Perhaps we are thinking of different things here? I am referring to iOS. You 
 seem to be referring to Mac.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No it's been the case since iMessage came out in 2012 under mountain lion.  
 I sent audios videos, ogg files, pictures, text files and once a contract 
 pasted in to see if I could make the app freeze.  So far I could not.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sarah, perhaps they changed this more recently. Last time I tried it was 
 only 30 seconds.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually that's not true.  I can send up to 100 mb of a voice memo and 
 that is about 3 hours. I've tested this.  Iv'e also sent 4 minute long 
 videos with out trouble. Not much but there you go.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, yes, this is correct. And video  will be compressed down to 30 
 seconds, and you can send voice memos, but I believe the same 32nd rule 
 applies for those as well.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 2:14 PM, alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Video and picks yes and audio don’t know.  I think only voice memos.
 On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 I know you can send text messages, can you send audio and Video like 
 you can with Skype?
 
 On 7 Mar 2014, at 3:42 pm, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No iMessages goes through apple's servers skipping the carrier 
 intirely. This is how you can send an iMessage through let;s say an 
 iPod or iPad device. 
 
 iMessage is quite was to use on the mac. In fact the interface looks 
 a little bit like adiums in that not eft is your message area where 
 text is and not he firhg tiright is the text area wherein you type 
 the  wrote: message and your motes and stuff.
 
 Take care.
 
 Hi!
 
 I've been using iMessage lately and its a sure improvement on the 
 standard SMS so I'm wondering if someone can give me more detail on 
 how the system works, does iMessage actually send text through the 
 standard SMS services in text chunks or what.
 
 I'm using iMessage on my IOS devices so just how easy is it to use 
 on a Mac using OSX?
 
 
 
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Re: I Pods third or fourth generation

[Josh Gregory]

Fourth-generation is quite sluggish at best, not sure about the third.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 4, 2014, at 12:37 AM, Bill Deatherage wrd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello to everyone on the list,
 It is good to be back.  but, getting to the point of this message, I was 
 thinking about buying either a third or fourth generation I Pod. I was 
 wondering what is the difference between the two?  Does Voice over work as 
 well on both of the machines?  I saw what looks like a good deal on either 
 one.  I was told that siri was only on the fifth generation I Pod.  I can 
 work with that.  anyway, I appreciate hearing from you and it is good to be 
 back on the list.
 Bill Deatherage
 
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Re: I Pods third or fourth generation

[Josh Gregory]

And it's even slower than the fourth… Sorry.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 4, 2014, at 11:09 AM, alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The 3rd is slower and I believe runs  iOS 6 on it.
 On Mar 4, 2014, at 7:00 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Fourth-generation is quite sluggish at best, not sure about the third.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 4, 2014, at 12:37 AM, Bill Deatherage wrd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello to everyone on the list,
 It is good to be back.  but, getting to the point of this message, I was 
 thinking about buying either a third or fourth generation I Pod. I was 
 wondering what is the difference between the two?  Does Voice over work as 
 well on both of the machines?  I saw what looks like a good deal on either 
 one.  I was told that siri was only on the fifth generation I Pod.  I can 
 work with that.  anyway, I appreciate hearing from you and it is good to be 
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Re: Little Snitch for Mac

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VoiceOver a security risk? That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.

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 Hello Lynne,
 
 In February 2011 I contacted Objective Development, the Developers of Little 
 Snitch, to ask about VO compatibility. I’ve pasted their response below. I 
 have not tried Little Snitch in a couple of years; thus, I cannot say whether 
 these same instructions will work for the current version of Little Snitch 
 running under the latest versions of MacOS.
 
 HTH,
 Bryan
 
 Begin response from Objective Development Customer Support:
 
 Little Snitch can be used with VoiceOver.
 
 Unfortunately VoiceOver can present a security risk, because it makes one 
 app controllable by another app. That is why controlling Little Snitch via 
 VoiceOver is disabled by default.
 
 You would need to ask a seeing person to enable the preferences setting 
 Allow GUI Scripting access to Little Snitch in the Security tab of the 
 preferences in the Little Snitch Configuration application.
 
 You might then want to disable this option: In the preferences tab 
 Monitor, the setting Show automatically on network activity - 
 otherwise the Network Monitor will be much too chatty :) 
 
 End response from Objective Development.
 
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 ly...@mac-access.net wrote:
 If anybody knows of a way to configure this with VoiceOver, please share the 
 info. I’d love to be wrong on this occasion. But our testing has shown no 
 accessibility whatsoever with the exception of the installer and uninstaller 
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Re: Little Snitch for Mac

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Yeah, blind people using technology as a security risk? Whatever… I digress.

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 On Mar 2, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yeah, sounds like an excuse for the developer  to not make his app 
 accessible. voice over  a security wrist? I don't think so. 
 
 Tc all.
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 On Mar 2, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 VoiceOver a security risk? That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 2, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hello Lynne,
 
 In February 2011 I contacted Objective Development, the Developers of 
 Little Snitch, to ask about VO compatibility. I’ve pasted their response 
 below. I have not tried Little Snitch in a couple of years; thus, I cannot 
 say whether these same instructions will work for the current version of 
 Little Snitch running under the latest versions of MacOS.
 
 HTH,
 Bryan
 
 Begin response from Objective Development Customer Support:
 
 Little Snitch can be used with VoiceOver.
 
 Unfortunately VoiceOver can present a security risk, because it makes one 
 app controllable by another app. That is why controlling Little Snitch via 
 VoiceOver is disabled by default.
 
 You would need to ask a seeing person to enable the preferences setting 
 Allow GUI Scripting access to Little Snitch in the Security tab of the 
 preferences in the Little Snitch Configuration application.
 
 You might then want to disable this option: In the preferences tab 
 Monitor, the setting Show automatically on network activity - 
 otherwise the Network Monitor will be much too chatty :) 
 
 End response from Objective Development.
 
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 ly...@mac-access.net wrote:
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 no accessibility whatsoever with the exception of the installer and 
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Seeming Inconsistency with Braille

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Hi, 
There seems to be an inconsistency with Braille in Mavericks… I can find a way 
to use the tab key on a braillenote apex (space with dots 2-3-4-5) but not 
shift tab. This would be weird if it wasn’t there, and it’d be useful too for 
when I need to use this with Blackboard to complete quizes and such… is there 
any plausable way around this?
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Line Spacing and Documents

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Hello,
  No matter what I do, I can't get line spacing to stick... I need my
documents to be double-spaced for school and whenever I try in text
edit, it won't stick when I save it, that is it always reverts back to
1.0 instead of 2.0. Using Mavericks 10.9.1, and it seems to lose focus
a lot too, unrelated but still annoying. Anything I can do to fix
these?
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Re: Line Spacing and Documents

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Good Point,, anybody know how to do it in pages? Guess it's also worth noting 
that it will stick as soon as I do it, but when I save it and go back it won't 
hold.

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 Not for nothing but have you tried a better word processor text edit is i 
 believe a basic word processor.
 
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 Hello,
 No matter what I do, I can't get line spacing to stick... I need my
 documents to be double-spaced for school and whenever I try in text
 edit, it won't stick when I save it, that is it always reverts back to
 1.0 instead of 2.0. Using Mavericks 10.9.1, and it seems to lose focus
 a lot too, unrelated but still annoying. Anything I can do to fix
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Re: a way to download os 10.9.2 with out updating first?

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LOL…
What about downloading from Apple support site?

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 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 What's the big rush, can't you wait a day or maybe two? Talk about creating 
 your own problems smile.
 
 
 On 26 Feb 2014, at 8:59 am, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello to all. I'm odd as I like to have the update before updating. I tried 
 option clicking the app store, then option clicking purchases, then option 
 clicking in this case mavericks,  then  option clicking download. This did 
 not work as  it says Im  still running os10.9.1 which is true, but I want 
 to dl 10.9.2 now before I even consider updating, just in case something 
 brakes.
 
 I used to be able to do with with lion but ever since ml I have not been 
 able to do this. Any advice on how to go about doing this? Google gives me 
 links to adobe flash player which has nothing to do with what im trying to 
 find and stuff on lion which I already know. 
 
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Re: Line Spacing and Documents

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Okay…
Probably not worth a longshot but perhaps this could be fixed in the update?

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 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:07 PM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have searched through the menus but I can’t find any thing  that talks 
 about double spacing in pages.
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Good Point,, anybody know how to do it in pages? Guess it's also worth 
 noting that it will stick as soon as I do it, but when I save it and go back 
 it won't hold.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not for nothing but have you tried a better word processor text edit is i 
 believe a basic word processor.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:11 PM, josh gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 No matter what I do, I can't get line spacing to stick... I need my
 documents to be double-spaced for school and whenever I try in text
 edit, it won't stick when I save it, that is it always reverts back to
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 a lot too, unrelated but still annoying. Anything I can do to fix
 these?
 Thanks,
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Re: a way to download os 10.9.2 with out updating first?

[Josh Gregory]

Doesn't look like it's been released yet on my system.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Already tried it. it says to go to the app store. which I do but it downloads 
 10.9.1  which is on my system. I always download the updates before updating  
 that way I can have a back up of the software.
 
 
 Take care.On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 LOL…
 What about downloading from Apple support site?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 What's the big rush, can't you wait a day or maybe two? Talk about creating 
 your own problems smile.
 
 
 On 26 Feb 2014, at 8:59 am, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello to all. I'm odd as I like to have the update before updating. I 
 tried option clicking the app store, then option clicking purchases, then 
 option clicking in this case mavericks,  then  option clicking download. 
 This did not work as  it says Im  still running os10.9.1 which is true, 
 but I want to dl 10.9.2 now before I even consider updating, just in case 
 something brakes.
 
 I used to be able to do with with lion but ever since ml I have not been 
 able to do this. Any advice on how to go about doing this? Google gives me 
 links to adobe flash player which has nothing to do with what im trying 
 to find and stuff on lion which I already know. 
 
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Re: Line Spacing and Documents

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Does anybody know if the changes will keep after saving if I do this? I know 
I've said this before but that's the problem I'm having with TextEdit

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Line spacing is under Style in the Text Formatter. You have to interact with 
 the scroll area to find where to adjust this.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 25 Feb 2014, at 23:37, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I believe double spacing in pages is in the inspector. That's all I know and 
 I'm only guessing from other messages I've seen on this list. 
 
 good luck.
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Okay…
 Probably not worth a longshot but perhaps this could be fixed in the update?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:07 PM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have searched through the menus but I can’t find any thing  that talks 
 about double spacing in pages.
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Good Point,, anybody know how to do it in pages? Guess it's also worth 
 noting that it will stick as soon as I do it, but when I save it and go 
 back it won't hold.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not for nothing but have you tried a better word processor text edit is 
 i believe a basic word processor.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:11 PM, josh gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 No matter what I do, I can't get line spacing to stick... I need my
 documents to be double-spaced for school and whenever I try in text
 edit, it won't stick when I save it, that is it always reverts back to
 1.0 instead of 2.0. Using Mavericks 10.9.1, and it seems to lose focus
 a lot too, unrelated but still annoying. Anything I can do to fix
 these?
 Thanks,
 Josh
 
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Re: a way to download os 10.9.2 with out updating first?

[Josh Gregory]

So it is out… Have to take another look

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 On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:54 PM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:
 
 I just downloaded and installed the 10.9.2 update. Everything seems to have 
 gone as expected on my system. I’ve already noticed a slight Voiceover change 
 in email, and it seems like the message count is now correct. Mine took 
 awhile, but it worked great with Vo.
 This weekend when I’m at my parents’ house I’m going to help my sister update 
 her MBA.
 Jake
 JAKE JOEHL
 jajo...@att.net
 
 
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:39 PM, josh gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Doesn't look like it's been released yet on my system.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Already tried it. it says to go to the app store. which I do but it 
 downloads 10.9.1  which is on my system. I always download the updates 
 before updating  that way I can have a back up of the software.
 
 
 Take care.On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 LOL…
 What about downloading from Apple support site?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 What's the big rush, can't you wait a day or maybe two? Talk about 
 creating your own problems smile.
 
 
 On 26 Feb 2014, at 8:59 am, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello to all. I'm odd as I like to have the update before updating. I 
 tried option clicking the app store, then option clicking purchases, 
 then option clicking in this case mavericks,  then  option clicking 
 download. This did not work as  it says Im  still running os10.9.1 
 which is true, but I want to dl 10.9.2 now before I even consider 
 updating, just in case something brakes.
 
 I used to be able to do with with lion but ever since ml I have not been 
 able to do this. Any advice on how to go about doing this? Google gives 
 me links to adobe flash player which has nothing to do with what im 
 trying to find and stuff on lion which I already know. 
 
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Re: Line Spacing and Documents

[Josh Gregory]

Sorry? Didn't quite come through there

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:24 PM, Alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 G
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Josgive it a tryGregory joshkar...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Does anybody know if the changes will keep after saving if I do this? I know 
 I've said this before but that's the problem I'm having with TextEdit
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Line spacing is under Style in the Text Formatter. You have to interact 
 with the scroll area to find where to adjust this.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 25 Feb 2014, at 23:37, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I believe double spacing in pages is in the inspector. That's all I know 
 and I'm only guessing from other messages I've seen on this list. 
 
 good luck.
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Okay…
 Probably not worth a longshot but perhaps this could be fixed in the 
 update?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:07 PM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have searched through the menus but I can’t find any thing  that talks 
 about double spacing in pages.
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Good Point,, anybody know how to do it in pages? Guess it's also worth 
 noting that it will stick as soon as I do it, but when I save it and go 
 back it won't hold.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not for nothing but have you tried a better word processor text edit 
 is i believe a basic word processor.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:11 PM, josh gregory joshkar...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello,
 No matter what I do, I can't get line spacing to stick... I need my
 documents to be double-spaced for school and whenever I try in text
 edit, it won't stick when I save it, that is it always reverts back to
 1.0 instead of 2.0. Using Mavericks 10.9.1, and it seems to lose focus
 a lot too, unrelated but still annoying. Anything I can do to fix
 these?
 Thanks,
 Josh
 
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Re: Can't find the OSX 10.9.2 update

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No it is not… Is there, on my system at least

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 On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:41 PM, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 I looked in the app store under software update but I don't see 10.9.2 
 anywhere.
 
 I presume that this isn't a developer seed at this point, seeing that you all 
 have been discussing that IBooks is no better really and that the Finder 
 works better.  If this were a dev seed only at this time, then let me remind 
 you, that the discussion of what is in a developer seed before it's been 
 released to the general public is a total violation of the NDA.
 
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Re: Line Spacing and Documents

[Josh Gregory]

Oh sorry, okay thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:36 PM, Alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It is at the bottom.  I said give it a try.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sorry? Didn't quite come through there
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:24 PM, Alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 G
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Josgive it a tryGregory 
 joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Does anybody know if the changes will keep after saving if I do this? I 
 know I've said this before but that's the problem I'm having with TextEdit
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Line spacing is under Style in the Text Formatter. You have to interact 
 with the scroll area to find where to adjust this.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 25 Feb 2014, at 23:37, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I believe double spacing in pages is in the inspector. That's all I know 
 and I'm only guessing from other messages I've seen on this list. 
 
 good luck.
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Okay…
 Probably not worth a longshot but perhaps this could be fixed in the 
 update?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:07 PM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have searched through the menus but I can’t find any thing  that 
 talks about double spacing in pages.
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Good Point,, anybody know how to do it in pages? Guess it's also 
 worth noting that it will stick as soon as I do it, but when I save 
 it and go back it won't hold.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not for nothing but have you tried a better word processor text edit 
 is i believe a basic word processor.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:11 PM, josh gregory joshkar...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello,
 No matter what I do, I can't get line spacing to stick... I need my
 documents to be double-spaced for school and whenever I try in text
 edit, it won't stick when I save it, that is it always reverts back 
 to
 1.0 instead of 2.0. Using Mavericks 10.9.1, and it seems to lose 
 focus
 a lot too, unrelated but still annoying. Anything I can do to fix
 these?
 Thanks,
 Josh
 
 -- 
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 twitter.com/joshg93
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Re: Mavericks and a MacBook Pro 15 inch from 2008

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Not sure I would chance it, the specs sound kind of low.

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 On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Rodney Haynie rodney.hay...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would like to query the group to see if anyone is successfully
 running VoiceOver with Mavericks on a MacBook Pro of similar specs.
 2GB RAM sounds low. I don't want to attempt an update to Mavericks and
 have serious problems. Looking up on the Apple site, Mavericks is
 listed as being able to run on this system, but of course that does
 not mean VoiceOver will be responsive and such.
 
 Macbook Pro 15inch MacBook 5,1 (April 2008)
 Currently running OSx 10.5.8
 Processor: 2ghz Intel core duo
 2GB RAM ddr3
 Storage Space :5400 RPM, 148GB Capacity, 67GB Available , 80.82GB Used.
 
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Re: Security Update For IOS 7

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Yes… This is on the American news. An update for the Mac should be around soon.

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 Hi!
 
 My iPhone downloaded this and I've just installed it, the update is designed 
 to address a major security flaw in IOS.
 
 
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Re: Don't buy Diet Coda.

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What does this app do?Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 22, 2014, at 5:04 AM, Donal Fitzpatrick donal.fitzpatr...@icloud.com 
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 Yup absolutely.  As I said, they asked me to test it.  They have already 
 taken note of the fixes for the Mac version I've suggested.  They were very 
 pleased when I got in touch.
 
 Dónal
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 Thanks for that, not all Apps are perfect, some Apps require a little work 
 and its only through customer feedback that developers make good Apps and 
 we're able to use them well and productively.
 
 
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 Particularly for Dane, but  a general comment would be don't buy Diet Coda 
 for iPad at the moment.  On launch, the first screen is totally 
 inaccessible,.  It is impossible to use with VO.  Subsequent screens are 
 usable, though confusing.
 
 I'm not criticising the devs here.  It was at their instigation that I 
 downloaded and tested the app as they had nobody to test on and were 
 delighted when I offered.
 
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Re: Finding out what version a mac book pro is using

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It is in about this Mac under the Apple menu.

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 Can someone tell me where to go to find out whether my friend has mount lion 
 or mavericks on their mac book pro. 
 
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Re: Help with safari

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Command with the left bracket key.

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 I have a mental block. Can someone tell me how to go back a web page in 
 safari using mavericks on a mac book pro   
 
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Re: language roter on the mac

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Not Sarah, but not that I know of.

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 On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com 
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 Hi Sarah, I do use the track pad commander to change roter options like 
 navigating by word, paragraph etc, is there a way to customize this to add a 
 language option?
 Laurel
 On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Try using the track pad commander on the mac. 
 
 You can access it with a turn of the rotor clockwise  whilst holding down 
 the vo keys. . to turn it off reverse the jester.
 
 The track pad commander will work similarly on the mac as it does with ios 
 with  some additional jesters.
 
 Take care. 
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 Hi guys,
 So, I work with 4 or 5 different languages everyday, and I'm a huge fan of 
 the language roter on the iPhone/iPad. It's really helpful to do one simple 
 gesture and change the voiceover language. Is there a language roter on the 
 mac that I can use? I do know how to do the command option control with the 
 arrow keys to change the speech attributes but this is kind of slow 
 sometimes. I just wondered if there was a simpler way, or if I could custom 
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Re: Messages on my mac not notifying me of incoming messages, but my phone is.

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I'm pretty sure you'll have to give people your email, I think. Someone correct 
me if I'm wrong.

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 On Feb 1, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Matthew Dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Oh ok.  I can set it to send messages to my address then.  If I do this, will 
 mewssages that are sent to my number be forward to my address or will I have 
 to tell everyone to send them there?  Sorry not sure how to do this rite?.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
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 Perhaps you have it set to your cell number? If you switch it to your email 
 that might help. What I mean is, perhaps you have your Mac said to receive 
 messages at your phone number. Perhaps changing this would help?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 31, 2014, at 6:00 PM, matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 What do you mean switching it to my email?  On my mac I was using my apple 
 id and than added my cell number to my number to my apple id as it was not 
 showing any messages that were on my phone and that was when I found out 
 that messages were not being announced in notifications.  Thanks.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:32 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Perhaps going into system preferences, messages, and trying to switch it 
 to your email?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:11 PM, matthew dyer 
 ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Yes.  Vo says nothing at all.  HTH..
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No, voiceover should at least say something.
 I have the same issue as well, kind of annoying actually.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:33 PM, matthew dyer 
 ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I was out of it, but was not receiving them.  I have it set to banners 
 if that makes a difference.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 1:16 PM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You have to command tab out of the messages app and then you will 
 receive the notifications.
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:47 AM, matthew dyer 
 ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 I have just set up my phone with my apple id and now messages are 
 synced  across  from my iPhone 5s and my iMac, but when in other apps 
 and  a messages  comes in I am not notified of it on my mac. how 
 ever, my phone tells me with a sound and if the phone is unlocked vo 
 reads  it.  when I go to  messages on my mac I can read the message 
 that was sent.  Is this normal, or is there something in settings I 
 need to change?  Thanks.  I am using 10.9.1which is the latest 
 version I think.  Thanks again.
 
 Matthew
 
 
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Re: Is there a way to stop voice over not to turn down the sound volume while you are listening to streaming radio??

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No it's in vo utility, in sound or audio or something, there's a checkbox that 
says duck voiceover or something like that.

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 The best way I know to do this is to hit control option command and right or 
 left arrow until you get to Voiceover  volume you can then hit the same three 
 keys and down to lower or up to raise the volume ov voiceover.
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Re: Space Bar Issue Solved, But A Puzzle

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I don't think this is meant for this, this is meant to assist people with 
physical disabilities who cannot properly use a keyboard or perform some other 
similar functionality required by OS X. Same thing can be found within iOS 7.

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Re: Messages on my mac not notifying me of incoming messages, but my phone is.

[Josh Gregory]

Perhaps you have it set to your cell number? If you switch it to your email 
that might help. What I mean is, perhaps you have your Mac said to receive 
messages at your phone number. Perhaps changing this would help?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 31, 2014, at 6:00 PM, matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 What do you mean switching it to my email?  On my mac I was using my apple id 
 and than added my cell number to my number to my apple id as it was not 
 showing any messages that were on my phone and that was when I found out that 
 messages were not being announced in notifications.  Thanks.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:32 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Perhaps going into system preferences, messages, and trying to switch it to 
 your email?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:11 PM, matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Yes.  Vo says nothing at all.  HTH..
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No, voiceover should at least say something.
 I have the same issue as well, kind of annoying actually.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:33 PM, matthew dyer 
 ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I was out of it, but was not receiving them.  I have it set to banners if 
 that makes a difference.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 1:16 PM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You have to command tab out of the messages app and then you will 
 receive the notifications.
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:47 AM, matthew dyer 
 ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 I have just set up my phone with my apple id and now messages are 
 synced  across  from my iPhone 5s and my iMac, but when in other apps 
 and  a messages  comes in I am not notified of it on my mac. how ever, 
 my phone tells me with a sound and if the phone is unlocked vo reads  
 it.  when I go to  messages on my mac I can read the message that was 
 sent.  Is this normal, or is there something in settings I need to 
 change?  Thanks.  I am using 10.9.1which is the latest version I think. 
  Thanks again.
 
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Re: Messages on my mac not notifying me of incoming messages, but my phone is.

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No, voiceover should at least say something.
I have the same issue as well, kind of annoying actually.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:33 PM, matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I was out of it, but was not receiving them.  I have it set to banners if 
 that makes a difference.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 1:16 PM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You have to command tab out of the messages app and then you will receive 
 the notifications.
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:47 AM, matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 I have just set up my phone with my apple id and now messages are synced  
 across  from my iPhone 5s and my iMac, but when in other apps and  a 
 messages  comes in I am not notified of it on my mac. how ever, my phone 
 tells me with a sound and if the phone is unlocked vo reads  it.  when I go 
 to  messages on my mac I can read the message that was sent.  Is this 
 normal, or is there something in settings I need to change?  Thanks.  I am 
 using 10.9.1which is the latest version I think.  Thanks again.
 
 Matthew
 
 
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Re: Messages on my mac not notifying me of incoming messages, but my phone is.

[Josh Gregory]

Perhaps going into system preferences, messages, and trying to switch it to 
your email?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:11 PM, matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Yes.  Vo says nothing at all.  HTH..
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No, voiceover should at least say something.
 I have the same issue as well, kind of annoying actually.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:33 PM, matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I was out of it, but was not receiving them.  I have it set to banners if 
 that makes a difference.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 1:16 PM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You have to command tab out of the messages app and then you will receive 
 the notifications.
 On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:47 AM, matthew dyer 
 ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 I have just set up my phone with my apple id and now messages are synced  
 across  from my iPhone 5s and my iMac, but when in other apps and  a 
 messages  comes in I am not notified of it on my mac. how ever, my phone 
 tells me with a sound and if the phone is unlocked vo reads  it.  when I 
 go to  messages on my mac I can read the message that was sent.  Is this 
 normal, or is there something in settings I need to change?  Thanks.  I 
 am using 10.9.1which is the latest version I think.  Thanks again.
 
 Matthew
 
 
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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[Josh Gregory]

Very nice, sounds good. Is Clean my Mac free?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 28, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I personally use onyx as I love the DYA stuff you can do with it and it is 
 accessible as well. I also use clean my mac every day  to clear stuff. I 
 think between those 2 apps my mac is doing well for it being 4 years old. 
 it's running almost as good as the day I bought it in 2010.
 
 Take care and be blessed. 
 On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello all!
 This was a Cocktail day. Thanks again for reminding me about it. It is 
 great. I  loved it, I purchased a family license, since we have 3 macs at 
 home.
 I find it self explaining, and he help file is very good.
 I really did not like the maintenance Apps, because I found them strange and 
 difficult to follow, but this arrangements with buttons on the tool bar and 
 tabs within each one, makes it really intuitive.
 I just have a question for expert users. What is to purge virtual memory? Is 
 it OK to do it or the pilot will do it for us?
 Thanks a lot!
 Best
 
 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507
 
 
 
 El 28/01/2014, a las 15:33, Caitlyn and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
 escribió:
 
 It’s worth mentioning too, that you can get a trial version of Cocktail.  
 It runs for ten launches before it won’t work, then you’ve got to pony up 
 your $20 to get a key.
 I like this as I can check out the app and decide whether to buy it or not.
 hth,
 Caitlyn
 
 On Jan 28, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 You'll find the help file of Cocktail vern informative so start by looking 
 at that to find out about the functionality of the App.
 
 When I speak of Backup I'm referring to any Backup system you have whether 
 that be a Time Machine Backup, Super Duper Backup or whatever, Time 
 Machine backs up in the background and doesn't interrupt your work.
 
 
 On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:03 pm, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, good morning!
 I am very interested in Cocktail and how to used, what to do, etc, so, if 
 somebody could give some advice on for example, what options are good for 
 a regular maintenance, what to do from time to time, how to program 
 maintenances, etc.
 I know that it might be a lot to ask, but I don’t want to mes up my mac, 
 sen if I have backups, because I use it all day for my work k.
 So, if there is a written resource, or somebody could give advice, I will 
 appreciate it a lot. Also, do I download cocktail from Appstore? I was 
 looking for it there and I did not find it.
 Thanks a lot for all, Take care!
 
 
 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507
 
 
 
 El 28/01/2014, a las 07:36, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 escribió:
 
 Hi!
 
 I’ve been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so 
 though I never used it on a regular basis.
 
 I’ve been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of 
 months using the “Pilot” and the “Daily Script”, I’ve scheduled a time 
 for Cocktail to run once every day at 1”00 AM and then Cocktail causes 
 the computer to shut down after maintenance has been completed.
 
 I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the 
 performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster 
 loading programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is 
 Skype and that takes around half a second.
 
 Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a 
 similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.
 
 Note that the “Pilot” of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the 
 help file before you start poking around in the options or at the very 
 least have a backup handy smile.
 
 
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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[josh gregory]

Are there any free programs to accomplish similar tasks? Just curious.

On 1/28/14, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all!
 This was a Cocktail day. Thanks again for reminding me about it. It is
 great. I  loved it, I purchased a family license, since we have 3 macs at
 home.
 I find it self explaining, and he help file is very good.
 I really did not like the maintenance Apps, because I found them strange and
 difficult to follow, but this arrangements with buttons on the tool bar and
 tabs within each one, makes it really intuitive.
 I just have a question for expert users. What is to purge virtual memory? Is
 it OK to do it or the pilot will do it for us?
 Thanks a lot!
 Best

 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507



 El 28/01/2014, a las 15:33, Caitlyn and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com
 escribió:

 It's worth mentioning too, that you can get a trial version of Cocktail.
 It runs for ten launches before it won't work, then you've got to pony up
 your $20 to get a key.
 I like this as I can check out the app and decide whether to buy it or
 not.
 hth,
 Caitlyn

 On Jan 28, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net
 wrote:

 You'll find the help file of Cocktail vern informative so start by
 looking at that to find out about the functionality of the App.

 When I speak of Backup I'm referring to any Backup system you have
 whether that be a Time Machine Backup, Super Duper Backup or whatever,
 Time Machine backs up in the background and doesn't interrupt your work.


 On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:03 pm, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello, good morning!
 I am very interested in Cocktail and how to used, what to do, etc, so,
 if somebody could give some advice on for example, what options are good
 for a regular maintenance, what to do from time to time, how to program
 maintenances, etc.
 I know that it might be a lot to ask, but I don't want to mes up my mac,
 sen if I have backups, because I use it all day for my work k.
 So, if there is a written resource, or somebody could give advice, I
 will appreciate it a lot. Also, do I download cocktail from Appstore? I
 was looking for it there and I did not find it.
 Thanks a lot for all, Take care!


 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507



 El 28/01/2014, a las 07:36, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net
 escribió:

 Hi!

 I've been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so
 though I never used it on a regular basis.

 I've been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of
 months using the Pilot and the Daily Script, I've scheduled a time
 for Cocktail to run once every day at 100 AM and then Cocktail causes
 the computer to shut down after maintenance has been completed.

 I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the
 performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster
 loading programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is
 Skype and that takes around half a second.

 Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a
 similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.

 Note that the Pilot of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the
 help file before you start poking around in the options or at the very
 least have a backup handy smile.


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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Josh Gregory]

You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option comes up 
that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 hey all,
 i have a quick question for you all.
 i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub menu 
 and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to say sort 
 by.
 how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the option 
 key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter these menus to 
 work with the new options?
 thanks for any help
 
 Michael
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Josh Gregory]

Yes, my apologies, now that I think about it, there is a way to do this as 
Sarah suggested, I do this to access the condition of the battery if I need to.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:13 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 hey criss,
 will have a play with this.
 there needs to be a way for VO users to work with these extra options.
 On 29 Jan 2014, at 1:45 pm, Christopher gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 I don't think that's what he meant.  Your Voiceover keys are control and 
 option.  So if you're already holding them down to navigate, then how are 
 you supposed to get to those extra options which would require you to hold 
 the option key down while hovering your mouse over the key.  The only way 
 that I've found to get this to work is to open up the menu, vo+down arrow to 
 the option which needs to be changed over, then route your mouse with 
 vo+command+F5, then hit your option key while clicking your physical mouse 
 or trackpad.  the only issue with this however is beware, there really 
 isn't, at least that I know of, a reliable way to see what the options turn 
 to when holding down the option key since you can't navigate effectively 
 with voiceover while the Option key is held down.  Again, I know.  You 
 already are! holding down your option key with your voiceover keys.  that's 
 my whole point.  If you're holding down the control and option keys already, 
 then you don't have a way
  
 of specifying to change to the alt option.  Ya know?  So, yeah, it's probably 
 not the most effective way to do things, however, that said, I have found 
 times, very few and far between, but still, I have seen times where I didn't 
 have a choice, and that's how I got around it.  Again, not probably the 
 answer you wanted, I'm sure, but it's what I got.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:30 PM
 Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option 
 key
 
 
 You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option comes 
 up that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 hey all,
 i have a quick question for you all.
 i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub 
 menu and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to 
 say sort by.
 how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the 
 option key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter 
 these menus to work with the new options?
 thanks for any help
 
 Michael
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Josh Gregory]

No, if you press the option key plus the arrow keys, it will show you the 
condition of the battery, for example, normal, needs service, replace now, etc.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:11 AM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I'm confused.  Can't you do that without the alt options?  Just go to 
 your menu extras, and it'll show you the percentage, won't it?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:03 AM
 Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option 
 key
 
 
 Yes, my apologies, now that I think about it, there is a way to do this as 
 Sarah suggested, I do this to access the condition of the battery if I need 
 to.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:13 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 hey criss,
 will have a play with this.
 there needs to be a way for VO users to work with these extra options.
 On 29 Jan 2014, at 1:45 pm, Christopher gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 I don't think that's what he meant.  Your Voiceover keys are control and 
 option.  So if you're already holding them down to navigate, then how are 
 you supposed to get to those extra options which would require you to hold 
 the option key down while hovering your mouse over the key.  The only way 
 that I've found to get this to work is to open up the menu, vo+down arrow 
 to the option which needs to be changed over, then route your mouse with 
 vo+command+F5, then hit your option key while clicking your physical mouse 
 or trackpad.  the only issue with this however is beware, there really 
 isn't, at least that I know of, a reliable way to see what the options 
 turn to when holding down the option key since you can't navigate 
 effectively with voiceover while the Option key is held down.  Again, I 
 know.  You already are! holding down your option key with your voiceover 
 keys.  that's my whole point.  If you're holding down the control and 
 option keys already, then you don't have a w
 ay
 
 of specifying to change to the alt option.  Ya know?  So, yeah, it's 
 probably not the most effective way to do things, however, that said, I 
 have found times, very few and far between, but still, I have seen times 
 where I didn't have a choice, and that's how I got around it.  Again, not 
 probably the answer you wanted, I'm sure, but it's what I got.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:30 PM
 Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the 
 option key
 
 
 You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option 
 comes up that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall 
 mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hey all,
 i have a quick question for you all.
 i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub 
 menu and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to 
 say sort by.
 how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the 
 option key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter 
 these menus to work with the new options?
 thanks for any help
 
 Michael
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Re: adium

[Josh Gregory]

You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard to go 
to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
 started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, I 
 can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless I click 
 on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it makes the 
 sound to announce the incoming message, what voiceover command can I use to 
 actually find and view the message? Thanks
 Laurel
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Re: adium

[Josh Gregory]

That's weird… When you are  in adium you should be able to do the command thing 
and it should work.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I've tried for example command plus the number 1, and it won't do anything. I 
 know that once I find the conversation, it's in the html content, but finding 
 it is driving me crazy.
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard to 
 go to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
 started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, I 
 can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless I 
 click on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it makes 
 the sound to announce the incoming message, what voiceover command can I 
 use to actually find and view the message? Thanks
 Laurel
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Re: adium

[Josh Gregory]

You can press the command plus slash key to go to your contacts, and command 
plus the accent key to go through your windows.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Ok, I've noticed that adium periodically announces that there is a new 
 window, but I can't figure out how to toggle to the new window, or how to go 
 back to my contacts without closing a chat. I'm using the latest version. It 
 appears that I need a simple tutorial on this, any good ones out there? I've 
 only found ones from years ago.
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've tried for example command plus the number 1, and it won't do anything. 
 I know that once I find the conversation, it's in the html content, but 
 finding it is driving me crazy.
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard to 
 go to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
 started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, I 
 can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless I 
 click on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it 
 makes the sound to announce the incoming message, what voiceover command 
 can I use to actually find and view the message? Thanks
 Laurel
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Re: adium

[Josh Gregory]

Weird that you can't do it now, are you in a conversation when you try to do it?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Yeah, no joke, I can't seem to figure it out, it used to work fine for me a 
 year ago when I used it
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That's weird… When you are  in adium you should be able to do the command 
 thing and it should work.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've tried for example command plus the number 1, and it won't do anything. 
 I know that once I find the conversation, it's in the html content, but 
 finding it is driving me crazy.
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard 
 to go to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
 started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, I 
 can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless I 
 click on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it 
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 can I use to actually find and view the message? Thanks
 Laurel
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Re: adium

[Josh Gregory]

LOL glad to help.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Yeah, but you know what, I think your suggestion about command plus accent 
 and then command plus / is just what I was looking for. Somebody aught to 
 create a voiceover short cut key guide for this, that would be helpful. :-)
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can press the command plus slash key to go to your contacts, and command 
 plus the accent key to go through your windows.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Ok, I've noticed that adium periodically announces that there is a new 
 window, but I can't figure out how to toggle to the new window, or how to 
 go back to my contacts without closing a chat. I'm using the latest 
 version. It appears that I need a simple tutorial on this, any good ones 
 out there? I've only found ones from years ago.
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've tried for example command plus the number 1, and it won't do 
 anything. I know that once I find the conversation, it's in the html 
 content, but finding it is driving me crazy.
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard 
 to go to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
 started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, 
 I can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless I 
 click on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it 
 makes the sound to announce the incoming message, what voiceover command 
 can I use to actually find and view the message? Thanks
 Laurel
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Re: adium

[Josh Gregory]

It might also be a visual thing too, I'm blind so I've never understood that 
sort of thing but yeah.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Christopher gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 The thing with it saying it has a new window is sort of, ish, a bug.  I say 
 sort of, because what's happening is, in your main contact window, I have 
 never quite understood why this occurs, but whenever someone either changes 
 status, or signs off, for some reason, Voiceover sees that as a new window 
 popping up when your contact list refreshes to reflect the new status.  I 
 agree that it's kind of bizarre, but there actually isn't another window 
 popping up.  I can see though where this really would be confusing.  I know 
 at first for me it sure was.  I was like... OK, where on earth's that other 
 window, for goodness sake!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:37 PM
 Subject: Re: adium
 
 
 Ok, I've noticed that adium periodically announces that there is a new 
 window, but I can't figure out how to toggle to the new window, or how to go 
 back to my contacts without closing a chat. I'm using the latest version. It 
 appears that I need a simple tutorial on this, any good ones out there? I've 
 only found ones from years ago.
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've tried for example command plus the number 1, and it won't do anything. 
 I know that once I find the conversation, it's in the html content, but 
 finding it is driving me crazy.
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard 
 to go to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
 started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, I 
 can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless I 
 click on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it 
 makes the sound to announce the incoming message, what voiceover command 
 can I use to actually find and view the message? Thanks
 Laurel
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Re: Tips: How to selectively hide/unhide past iTunes purchases | 9to5Mac

[Josh Gregory]

in the past, this was accessible with voiceover on  OS X, I've done it before 
as an experiment. I don't know if it is now though…

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have been looking for a way to do this and no matter what I try in the 
 articles I read this does not work. can anyone manage to do this under iTunes 
 or the iOS app stores on our iOS devices using voice e over? I can't believe 
 that this is not possible using ios7 and voice over. There has got to be a 
 work around.
 
 thanks all and link is  below. 
 http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/13/tips-how-to-selectively-hideunhide-past-itunes-purchases/
  
 
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Re: adium

[Josh Gregory]

Interesting, that makes more sense.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:51 PM, Christopher gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 Josh, you're exactly right.  It's visually bringing up a little popup 
 directly to the right of the pwerson's name.  Kind a like a tooltip in 
 Windows would be.  So, that very likely could be what is triggerring it. good 
 point.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 5:37 PM
 Subject: Re: adium
 
 
 It might also be a visual thing too, I'm blind so I've never understood that 
 sort of thing but yeah.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 The thing with it saying it has a new window is sort of, ish, a bug.  I say 
 sort of, because what's happening is, in your main contact window, I have 
 never quite understood why this occurs, but whenever someone either changes 
 status, or signs off, for some reason, Voiceover sees that as a new window 
 popping up when your contact list refreshes to reflect the new status.  I 
 agree that it's kind of bizarre, but there actually isn't another window 
 popping up.  I can see though where this really would be confusing.  I know 
 at first for me it sure was.  I was like... OK, where on earth's that other 
 window, for goodness sake!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:37 PM
 Subject: Re: adium
 
 
 Ok, I've noticed that adium periodically announces that there is a new 
 window, but I can't figure out how to toggle to the new window, or how to 
 go back to my contacts without closing a chat. I'm using the latest 
 version. It appears that I need a simple tutorial on this, any good ones 
 out there? I've only found ones from years ago.
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've tried for example command plus the number 1, and it won't do 
 anything. I know that once I find the conversation, it's in the html 
 content, but finding it is driving me crazy.
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard 
 to go to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
 started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, 
 I can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless 
 I click on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it 
 makes the sound to announce the incoming message, what voiceover 
 command can I use to actually find and view the message? Thanks
 Laurel
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Re: adium

[Josh Gregory]

No problem, glad to help.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I think I've got it figured out. Yeah Chris, I sort of figured that was the 
 deal with the constant new windows, I've finally got it where I can move 
 through my converstations using command plus the accent key, like Josh 
 suggested and it's working ok. I think it just took a little getting used to. 
 :-)
 Thanks for the help guys,
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It might also be a visual thing too, I'm blind so I've never understood that 
 sort of thing but yeah.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 The thing with it saying it has a new window is sort of, ish, a bug.  I say 
 sort of, because what's happening is, in your main contact window, I have 
 never quite understood why this occurs, but whenever someone either changes 
 status, or signs off, for some reason, Voiceover sees that as a new window 
 popping up when your contact list refreshes to reflect the new status.  I 
 agree that it's kind of bizarre, but there actually isn't another window 
 popping up.  I can see though where this really would be confusing.  I know 
 at first for me it sure was.  I was like... OK, where on earth's that other 
 window, for goodness sake!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:37 PM
 Subject: Re: adium
 
 
 Ok, I've noticed that adium periodically announces that there is a new 
 window, but I can't figure out how to toggle to the new window, or how to 
 go back to my contacts without closing a chat. I'm using the latest 
 version. It appears that I need a simple tutorial on this, any good ones 
 out there? I've only found ones from years ago.
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've tried for example command plus the number 1, and it won't do 
 anything. I know that once I find the conversation, it's in the html 
 content, but finding it is driving me crazy.
 Laurel
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard 
 to go to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
 laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
 started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, 
 I can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless 
 I click on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it 
 makes the sound to announce the incoming message, what voiceover 
 command can I use to actually find and view the message? Thanks
 Laurel
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Re: Problem with Yorufukirou

[Josh Gregory]

You can use an application known as easy find, which allows you to find any 
files associated with any application on your system. You can find pretty much 
anything for that matter, even hidden things.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Geoff Stephens geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Of course, I know all the keystrokes to switch accounts, etc.  They are in 
 the menus.  Anyway, on to the next question.
 
 Oh, and by the way, packet loss won’t be detectable simply by visiting an 
 uncached site.  The suggestion to use ping or even traceroute to determine 
 packet loss is a good one.
 
 Anyway, now that I have the preferences, etc, in the trash, since I am a 
 fairly new Mac user, maybe someone can tell me whether there is a way to 
 determine where those files in the trash originated?  I would like to know 
 the locations of the files so that I can compare and try to further isolate 
 what caused the issue.  It is not immediately obvious how to determine where 
 the files in the trash came from.  I tried Command I but that didn’t do it.
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Christopher gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 Whoops.  I knew it was something like that, I just couldn't remember exactly, 
 which is sad, seeing I have both my personal and our work twitter set up in 
 there.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Ben J Bloomgren bbloomg...@icloud.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 5:53 PM
 Subject: Re: Problem with Yorufukirou
 
 
 Jeff, Chris and all,
 
 I just checked, and the command to switch accounts in Yorufukurou is 
 command+option+up and down arrows.
 
 Ben J. Bloomgren
 
 Manager
 CLG Productions
 
 Http://www.clgproductions.com
 
 704-256-0067
 
 Hours: Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Eastern accept 
 holidays.
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 15:44, Christopher gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 Jeff, I'd have to agree with Ben partially.  Not entirely though.
 
 I agree with Ben that it could! ok, key word, could! be a wifi or ethernet 
 issue.  Remember Ben, just because you're on wifi doesn't mean everyone is. 
 He might actually be on ethernet, so don't just assume that as the only 
 possibility.  That said, I do agree it sounds like you're having some sort 
 of a connection issue.  Does the internet work for you outside of 
 YoruFukurou?  Second of all, when's the last time you checked for updates 
 to the app?  I wonder if either something in your account broke or maybe 
 it's having issues communicating back and forth with Twitter's API?  I 
 don't necessarily mean your API calls.  I'm talking more generally about 
 the API in a whole which allows YoruFukurou or any other twitter client to 
 connect to their servers.
 
 The other thing too you may wanna try, Jeff, is to completely remove all 
 broken Twitter accounts from YoruFukurou's preferences, then re-add them, 
 and see if that helps.
 
 Also, are you sure you're on your timeline tab?  Open up the app, and hit 
 command+num row 1.  This will reset your  view, and confirm beyond a doubt 
 that you're truely on your timeline.  Also, if you have multiple accounts 
 set up, try command up and command down arrows I think it is, to move 
 through the different accounts.  See if all your accounts in there are 
 broken and are consisting of this unusual behavior.
 
 Chris.
 - Original Message - From: Geoff Stephens geoffsli...@gmail.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:46 PM
 Subject: Problem with Yorufukirou
 
 
 Having a problem for the past week or so with Yorufukirou that I can’t seem 
 to solve.
 
 Whenever I load it, there is a message that says “preparing” and a progress 
 indicator.  This never goes away and my timelines for multiple accounts do 
 not load.  In fact, nothing else happens at all.  I did get the message 
 that I was rate limited once or twice, but that never even happens now.  I 
 went into preferences and made sure the refresh was set to a sensible time 
 in case that was truly the problem.
 
 So the problem is that I can’t figure out how to completely remove 
 Yorufukurou and reinstall it.  Whenver I remove it and reinstall, the same 
 situation occurs.  I have looked for its associated caches/preferences and 
 it doesn’t seem to have any that I can find.  I am using the App Store 
 version.  I thought when you trashed an app from the App Store, it was 
 entirely removed.  Apparently, that may not be the case.  Has anyone 
 experienced this issue and possibly solved it?
 
 
 
 
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Re: Yurufukuru Question

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They need to insert the thing where you can follow somebody by just searching 
for their Twitter handle, that would be a lot easier.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 21, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually it has not.  The drawer has been around since I have been using it 
 since around 2011 and all their actions. what  does not work is the follow 
 username command  That broke when the new twitter API was roles out in june 
 of last year or so.
 
 Take care and have fun with it. 
 On Jan 21, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks so much Sarah!  I'm pretty sure it has changed since I last used it!  
 :)
 
 Desi
 
 
 
 On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey don't worry about it. I don't know how to search for new followers but 
 to follow someone once you are focused  on that person hit cmd option 
 apostrophe  and go to the pop up button, choose followers status  and then 
 from there hit follow. You cvan also block and unfollow the person if you 
 want to.
 
 Good luck.
 
 
 On Jan 20, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Everybody,
 
 Can I add new followers when I am in Yorufukuru?  Also, how do I search 
 for new people to follow?  Thanks!  I haven't used this App in quite a 
 while!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
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Re: Yurufukuru Question

[Josh Gregory]

Okay I see, kind of like in the Twitter app for iPhone.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Oh you can. just hit cmd u and type in the user name.  and hit enter then go 
 to a tweet they did, go to the drawer with the key stroke and then follow the 
 instructionsI gave for following a a person. It's actually sounds like more  
 work then it is.  but it works well.
 On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 They need to insert the thing where you can follow somebody by just 
 searching for their Twitter handle, that would be a lot easier.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 21, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually it has not.  The drawer has been around since I have been using it 
 since around 2011 and all their actions. what  does not work is the follow 
 username command  That broke when the new twitter API was roles out in june 
 of last year or so.
 
 Take care and have fun with it. 
 On Jan 21, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks so much Sarah!  I'm pretty sure it has changed since I last used 
 it!  :)
 
 Desi
 
 
 
 On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey don't worry about it. I don't know how to search for new followers 
 but to follow someone once you are focused  on that person hit cmd option 
 apostrophe  and go to the pop up button, choose followers status  and 
 then from there hit follow. You cvan also block and unfollow the person 
 if you want to.
 
 Good luck.
 
 
 On Jan 20, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Everybody,
 
 Can I add new followers when I am in Yorufukuru?  Also, how do I search 
 for new people to follow?  Thanks!  I haven't used this App in quite a 
 while!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
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Re: How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive | Macworld

[Josh Gregory]

Gordon,
Yes I get that, but if you go into recovery mode, you can erase the hard drive, 
which is why you need to have an install disc or some other medium of 
reinstalling the OS, if you don't, you're pretty much stuck.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 20, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 You missunderstand me I think.  This has nothing to do with Disk Usility at 
 all.  It simply creates a bootable disk with the currently installed 
 operating system as its base.  As for erasing your hard drive, that is not 
 possible.  OS X will not permit you to erase the current boot device.
 
 Kind Regards
 Gordon Smith
 Information Technology Accessibility consultant
 Providing Support For Young People Living With Sight Loss:  Advice On 
 Accessible Information Technologies And Braille Transcription Services.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Date sent: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 15:36:27 -0500
 Subject: Re: How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive | Macworld
 
 You could, but the only way that I know of using that method is disk utility, 
 if you do it before you do disk utility, you will erase the hard drive and 
 not be able to get back into it.  I've done that.  Not good.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 19, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Forgive my late entrance conffth thread.  But can you not just use the Apple 
 Recovery Assistant?  That works well and is totally accessible.  I have 
 Mavericks, Mkain Lion and Lion bootable USB keys here which were created used 
 Recovery Assistant.  I guess it's just a case for horses for courses.
 Kind Regards
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 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Date sent: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 00:32:28 +1100
 Subject: Re: How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive | Macworld
 
 Back after a curl I'll look it up now and thanks for the info, Google Is Your 
 Friend.
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Re: How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive | Macworld

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You could, but the only way that I know of using that method is disk utility, 
if you do it before you do disk utility, you will erase the hard drive and not 
be able to get back into it. I've done that. Not good.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 19, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Forgive my late entrance conffth thread.  But can you not just use the Apple 
 Recovery Assistant?  That works well and is totally accessible.  I have 
 Mavericks, Mkain Lion and Lion bootable USB keys here which were created used 
 Recovery Assistant.  I guess it's just a case for horses for courses.
 Kind Regards
 Gordon Smith
 Information Technology Accessibility consultant
 Providing Support For Young People Living With Sight Loss:  Advice On 
 Accessible Information Technologies And Braille Transcription Services.
 
 
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 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Date sent: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 00:32:28 +1100
 Subject: Re: How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive | Macworld
 
 Back after a curl I'll look it up now and thanks for the info, Google Is Your 
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Re: CD Booklets

[Josh Gregory]

LOL I don't know, maybe on the artist website? I didn't even know they have 
those LOL. And that's sad because I'm a kid from the 90s. But I digress. Like I 
said maybe the artist website?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 19, 2014, at 10:44 PM, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 Does anyone know if there is a way after importing my CD’s into ITunes, or 
 purchasing them from the store if I can somehow accessibly download pdf’s or 
 some accessible format of their CD sleeve booklets?  I know the store has 
 some albums that already come like that, but I’m saying, is there maybe some 
 place I could search for an album, and download the booklet manually?  I just 
 hate that I have no way of reading some of them, as you actually can learn a 
 lot about the artists, or about certain songs that way.  I remember back as a 
 little kid when I was taking guitar lessons, I’d always bring my CD’s into my 
 lessons and my teacher would use a little cassette recorder and would read to 
 me my CD sleeves, (bless his heart for doing so.) and I gotta hand it to you, 
 you’d be surprised at the things sometimes you can find in those things.
 
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Re: noticing an unwanted difference in dictation since upgrading to 7...

[Josh Gregory]

Try pressing the volume up button after you start dictation, that should help.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 16, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Laurie Mehta laurieme...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hi, 
 
 Since I upgraded to ios7 for my iPod, I've noticed several things that are 
 taking some getting used to, but one that is especially unpleasant is that
 when texting and using dictate to create a text message
 the sound that dings to announce that dictate mode has started has become 
 much, much quieter than before
 and even the repeat back of the text I have dictated is at a very low volume.
 My regular volume is set fine via the buttons on the side of the iPod, but it 
 is odd that the sounds during dictate mode are so much significantly quieter 
 than the set volume.
 This causes some problems in a noisy environment since it's hard for me to 
 hear that the dictate mode has started.
 
 Do any of you know if there's a way to fix this problem and if so how?
 
 Thanks!
 
 - Laurie
 
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Re: An Issue With YoruFukurou Twitter Client

[Josh Gregory]

Weird thing is that whenever I use the arrow keys, and try to do one of the 
commands to have an action done, I just get the default error tone.I interact 
with the table and use the arrow keys to move around.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 16, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Hello Dane. What I do is as follows. I do not interact with the fields. I 
 mean I do not hit vo shift down arrow to interact with the areas. I use 
 command and right or left arrow to go to the field I want. I then use j and k 
 keys to move forward and backward in the list that I am currently in. When it 
 is on the tweet i want to do something such as reply to I then hit the enter 
 key and this seems to work. It also works for direct messages and favoriting 
 and so on. I hope this helps.
 On Jan 16, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 Okay thanks I forgot to mention how I was navigating, I'll make a point of 
 just using the arrow keys as suggested and see how I get on.
 
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Re: noticing an unwanted difference in dictation since upgrading to 7...

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No problem, glad to help :-)

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 On Jan 16, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Laurie Mehta laurieme...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Thanks very much Sarah and Josh. I adjusted the volume while dictating a 
 couple of test texts. This was very helpful advice. (smile)
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Re: An Issue With YoruFukurou Twitter Client

[Josh Gregory]

Right, but when I try to perform an action on a tweet,  four instance reply or 
send the person a direct  message, it won't work.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 16, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 If you hit command and the left or right arrows it will move you between 
 them. timeline mentions dm favorites so on is what I mean grin 
 On Jan 16, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Weird thing is that whenever I use the arrow keys, and try to do one of the 
 commands to have an action done, I just get the default error tone.I 
 interact with the table and use the arrow keys to move around.
 
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Re: ot: deleting all mail in gmail, a tutorial.

[Josh Gregory]

This might be practically impossible, the standard Gmail view really is not 
accessible from any Mac. Tried it earlier to know avail, and the basic HTML 
link I couldn't find either.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Maybe  that's our issue. How do you turn key board shortcuts on? Maybe that's 
 the difference between your set up and all of ours?
 
 Take care.
 On Jan 14, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 I'm really not sure what y’all's problem is. All I know is what I got. 
 Keyboard shortcuts in gmail 1s on. Mail per page is 100. That's all I know.
 Sent from my braille plus 18
 
 Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have the same results, what settings are you using  this Devin?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I tried  that, and it didn't work in chrome.  The empty trash  thing was 
 not able to be clicked and the select all thing was not there. I got out 
 of the table and vo left once and never found a select all. Using the 
 latest of os, safari nd chrome here.
 On Jan 12, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Thank you. And to the person that said vo doesn't say all 100 messages 
 are selected, after pressing star a, it won't, unless you use chrome, I 
 think. After pressing star a, stop interacting with the table, go left, 
 and you'll see a heading, go right from there, and you'll see the option 
 to select all mail and such. And yes, this works with any folder in 
 gmail, including the lovely trash folder.
 Sent from my braille plus 18
 
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 Hello
 
 Just for future reference, If you know something is off topic for this 
 group, please do not post it to the group without first asking the list 
 owners, i.e., Mac Access Support, if it’s alright to do so.  However, 
 since your post is very specifically related to Apple’s platform, it is 
 not, in actual fact, off topic at all.  :)
 
 So, there’s no issue.  The tutorial is very specific and that’s fine, 
 postings like this which directly deal with Apple’s hardware/software 
 are perfectly acceptable and, indeed, very much welcomed within the 
 group.  We would certainly not wish to deny the members of this group 
 the opportunity of trying your recommendations.  So, thanks for the post.
 
 On 12 Jan 2014, at 04:40, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. After doing this, I thought I’d share with you all who I managed 
 this. Yes this is off topic, but you all can spread it around, I’m sure. 
 First, I go to gmail.google.com, with standard view. I press left and 
 right arrows to turn quick nag off, and press up and down arrows to 
 focus  on the table of messages. Er, that’s Quick Nav, not quick nag. 
 Anyway, I press star, that’s shift 8, then A. This selects all the 
 messages on the page. Then, I press number, or hash, or pound, which is 
 shift 3. That deletes all selected messages. Now, this is in the inbox, 
 and while it will be helpful on android devices and gmail web views, 
 Apple mail, apparently, shows all mail that is not from you or in its 
 trash folder. So, you’ll have to go to all mail. So, press right or left 
 arrow until you hear something like inbox link. Keep quick Nav off 
 throughout this whole thing. While these are links, which you can click 
 on with VO space, you arrow down through them, like menu options. Then, 
 when you’ve reached All Mail, press enter. You’ll be placed in the list 
 of all your mail, every last one, including google chats and such. Here, 
 select all as described above, star then A. Then, move out of the table, 
 and you’ll find “all X of the messages on this page are selected. Click 
 to select all Y in all mail.” X being the number of messages you have 
 set to display per page, and Y being the total. So then, click the link, 
 and you have all 8 or so emails and chats selected. Then, press the 
 hash/pound/number, and you’ll be presented with a dialog. Click okay. 
 Another dialogue will proceed it, click okay. Then, close the tag and 
 wait for an hour or so, and your gmail will be cleansed of all the 
 mutterings of a long-abandoned email list and exs and all the other 
 memories you’d prefer not to have lingering around.
 
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Re: ot: deleting all mail in gmail, a tutorial.

[Josh Gregory]

But doesn't seem to work, although I know it did before, maybe they change 
something? And where is the shortcut thing?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 14, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Pull up a list of links with vo  u and left arrow to links if you are not on 
 that, then hit  b a s and you will get to the basic html area. I can use the 
 standard view pretty well actually except for this and Iuse nothing but that 
 now a days.
 
 Take care.
 On Jan 14, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This might be practically impossible, the standard Gmail view really is not 
 accessible from any Mac. Tried it earlier to know avail, and the basic HTML 
 link I couldn't find either.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Maybe  that's our issue. How do you turn key board shortcuts on? Maybe 
 that's the difference between your set up and all of ours?
 
 Take care.
 On Jan 14, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 I'm really not sure what y’all's problem is. All I know is what I got. 
 Keyboard shortcuts in gmail 1s on. Mail per page is 100. That's all I know.
 Sent from my braille plus 18
 
 Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have the same results, what settings are you using  this Devin?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I tried  that, and it didn't work in chrome.  The empty trash  thing was 
 not able to be clicked and the select all thing was not there. I got out 
 of the table and vo left once and never found a select all. Using the 
 latest of os, safari nd chrome here.
 On Jan 12, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Thank you. And to the person that said vo doesn't say all 100 messages 
 are selected, after pressing star a, it won't, unless you use chrome, 
 I think. After pressing star a, stop interacting with the table, go 
 left, and you'll see a heading, go right from there, and you'll see the 
 option to select all mail and such. And yes, this works with any folder 
 in gmail, including the lovely trash folder.
 Sent from my braille plus 18
 
 Gordon, Lynne  Tracy supp...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hello
 
 Just for future reference, If you know something is off topic for this 
 group, please do not post it to the group without first asking the 
 list owners, i.e., Mac Access Support, if it’s alright to do so.  
 However, since your post is very specifically related to Apple’s 
 platform, it is not, in actual fact, off topic at all.  :)
 
 So, there’s no issue.  The tutorial is very specific and that’s fine, 
 postings like this which directly deal with Apple’s hardware/software 
 are perfectly acceptable and, indeed, very much welcomed within the 
 group.  We would certainly not wish to deny the members of this group 
 the opportunity of trying your recommendations.  So, thanks for the 
 post.
 
 On 12 Jan 2014, at 04:40, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. After doing this, I thought I’d share with you all who I 
 managed this. Yes this is off topic, but you all can spread it around, 
 I’m sure. First, I go to gmail.google.com, with standard view. I press 
 left and right arrows to turn quick nag off, and press up and down 
 arrows to focus  on the table of messages. Er, that’s Quick Nav, not 
 quick nag. Anyway, I press star, that’s shift 8, then A. This selects 
 all the messages on the page. Then, I press number, or hash, or pound, 
 which is shift 3. That deletes all selected messages. Now, this is in 
 the inbox, and while it will be helpful on android devices and gmail 
 web views, Apple mail, apparently, shows all mail that is not from you 
 or in its trash folder. So, you’ll have to go to all mail. So, press 
 right or left arrow until you hear something like inbox link. Keep 
 quick Nav off throughout this whole thing. While these are links, 
 which you can click on with VO space, you arrow down through them, 
 like menu options. Then, when you’ve reached All Mail, press enter. 
 You’ll be placed in the list of all your mail, every last one, 
 including google chats and such. Here, select all as described above, 
 star then A. Then, move out of the table, and you’ll find “all X of 
 the messages on this page are selected. Click to select all Y in all 
 mail.” X being the number of messages you have set to display per 
 page, and Y being the total. So then, click the link, and you have all 
 8 or so emails and chats selected. Then, press the 
 hash/pound/number, and you’ll be presented with a dialog. Click okay. 
 Another dialogue will proceed it, click okay. Then, close the tag and 
 wait for an hour or so, and your gmail will be cleansed of all the 
 mutterings of a long-abandoned email list and exs and all the other 
 memories you’d prefer not to have lingering around.
 
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Re: Canadian Holiday Calendar in Mavericks.

[Josh Gregory]

So are we saying that, in Mavericks, there is a way to add calendars?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 13, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hello Jim,
 
 Posting this again, since apparently my reply went to Leo, rather than the 
 list. (Grrr… have to figure out how to reconfigure my devices).
 
 I thought that the holiday calendar was selected automatically once you 
 selected your region and languages under System Preferences  Language  
 Region.  For example, if I change my region from United States under the 
 region pop up button to Canada by first selecting Americas and the 
 Canada, examining the Calendar for the week of Christmas will show an entry 
 for Boxing Day on Thursday, December 26, 2013.  There will be a note that 
 this event belongs to calendar  Canadian Holidays.
 
 As for adding different types of calendars pre-Mavericks. There's an 
 iCalShare web site mentioned at AppleVis that lets you download specific 
 holiday and sports calendars and share them on line.  That works all the way 
 back to Snow Leopard.  The URL is:
 
 http://www.icalshare.com
 
 Apple also has a set of downloadable iCal calendars at:
 http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/calendars
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 
 On Jan 13, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Leo Bissonnette wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 While I don’t know how to get it in Mavricks for the Mac, I do remember that 
 on AppleVis there was a very helpful podcast on how to get various types of 
 calendars. Through that podcast I got one for Canadian Holidays and for one 
 of the teams I follow.
 
 Check out:
 
 www.applevis.com
 
 Hope that helps a little.
 
 Leo
 
 
 
 On Jan 13, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
 
 Hmm. I never saw that in mavericks. I just have the ones I created. Where 
 did you hear this calendar was going to be in mavericks? I might have 
 missed it when I last checked up on the key notes. 
 
 Tc.
 On Jan 13, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 
 Hi Folks:
 
 How does one access a Canadian holiday calendar in Mavericks?
 
 Thanks all over the place.
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Re: ot: deleting all mail in gmail, a tutorial.

[Josh Gregory]

I have the same results, what settings are you using  this Devin?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I tried  that, and it didn't work in chrome.  The empty trash  thing was not 
 able to be clicked and the select all thing was not there. I got out of the 
 table and vo left once and never found a select all. Using the latest of os, 
 safari nd chrome here.
 On Jan 12, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Thank you. And to the person that said vo doesn't say all 100 messages are 
 selected, after pressing star a, it won't, unless you use chrome, I think. 
 After pressing star a, stop interacting with the table, go left, and you'll 
 see a heading, go right from there, and you'll see the option to select all 
 mail and such. And yes, this works with any folder in gmail, including the 
 lovely trash folder.
 Sent from my braille plus 18
 
 Gordon, Lynne  Tracy supp...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hello
 
 Just for future reference, If you know something is off topic for this 
 group, please do not post it to the group without first asking the list 
 owners, i.e., Mac Access Support, if it’s alright to do so.  However, since 
 your post is very specifically related to Apple’s platform, it is not, in 
 actual fact, off topic at all.  :)
 
 So, there’s no issue.  The tutorial is very specific and that’s fine, 
 postings like this which directly deal with Apple’s hardware/software are 
 perfectly acceptable and, indeed, very much welcomed within the group.  We 
 would certainly not wish to deny the members of this group the opportunity 
 of trying your recommendations.  So, thanks for the post.
 
 On 12 Jan 2014, at 04:40, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. After doing this, I thought I’d share with you all who I managed 
 this. Yes this is off topic, but you all can spread it around, I’m sure. 
 First, I go to gmail.google.com, with standard view. I press left and right 
 arrows to turn quick nag off, and press up and down arrows to focus  on the 
 table of messages. Er, that’s Quick Nav, not quick nag. Anyway, I press 
 star, that’s shift 8, then A. This selects all the messages on the page. 
 Then, I press number, or hash, or pound, which is shift 3. That deletes all 
 selected messages. Now, this is in the inbox, and while it will be helpful 
 on android devices and gmail web views, Apple mail, apparently, shows all 
 mail that is not from you or in its trash folder. So, you’ll have to go to 
 all mail. So, press right or left arrow until you hear something like inbox 
 link. Keep quick Nav off throughout this whole thing. While these are 
 links, which you can click on with VO space, you arrow down through them, 
 like menu options. Then, when you’ve reached All Mail, press enter. You’ll 
 be placed in the list of all your mail, every last one, including google 
 chats and such. Here, select all as described above, star then A. Then, 
 move out of the table, and you’ll find “all X of the messages on this page 
 are selected. Click to select all Y in all mail.” X being the number of 
 messages you have set to display per page, and Y being the total. So then, 
 click the link, and you have all 8 or so emails and chats selected. 
 Then, press the hash/pound/number, and you’ll be presented with a dialog. 
 Click okay. Another dialogue will proceed it, click okay. Then, close the 
 tag and wait for an hour or so, and your gmail will be cleansed of all the 
 mutterings of a long-abandoned email list and exs and all the other 
 memories you’d prefer not to have lingering around.
 
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Re: Finding the Computer's ID

[Josh Gregory]

I was never asked for this, where do you find it?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 9, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 It I'm sure I saw the same thing when I tried to upgrade one of my older 
 machines, I guess its part of the check that's performed to see if your 
 machine is compatible with OSX Mavericks.
 
 
 On 9 Jan 2014, at 9:14 pm, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 I read somewhere on the AFB AccessWorld web site that Mavericks asks you for 
 the computer ID.
 
 Matthew Chao
 
 At 08:20 PM 1/8/2014, you wrote:
 Why do you need the conpyter's ID? Can you not just go to the app store, 
 downed the app and install it?
 
 Take care.
 On Jan 8, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 I suggest you have a look in About This Mac under the Apple Menu.
 
 On 9 Jan 2014, at 9:12 am, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Hi, Folks.  Am looking into upgrading to Mavericks.  However, need the 
 computer's ID.  How do I find that before proceeding?  Thanks.
 
 Matthew Chao
 
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Re: Finding the Computer's ID

[Josh Gregory]

No I don't think it is that.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 9, 2014, at 10:01 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That is probably the user name you use to log in to you’re mac. 
 On Jan 9, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I was never asked for this, where do you find it?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 9, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 It I'm sure I saw the same thing when I tried to upgrade one of my older 
 machines, I guess its part of the check that's performed to see if your 
 machine is compatible with OSX Mavericks.
 
 
 On 9 Jan 2014, at 9:14 pm, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 I read somewhere on the AFB AccessWorld web site that Mavericks asks you 
 for the computer ID.
 
 Matthew Chao
 
 At 08:20 PM 1/8/2014, you wrote:
 Why do you need the conpyter's ID? Can you not just go to the app store, 
 downed the app and install it?
 
 Take care.
 On Jan 8, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 I suggest you have a look in About This Mac under the Apple Menu.
 
 On 9 Jan 2014, at 9:12 am, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Hi, Folks.  Am looking into upgrading to Mavericks.  However, need the 
 computer's ID.  How do I find that before proceeding?  Thanks.
 
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Re: Finding the Computer's ID

[Josh Gregory]

Oh that's what that is! Okay thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 9, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 I've installed - or tried to install - OSX on a whole range of different Mac 
 machines and I do recall being asked for this once, actually it was referred 
 to as the computer serial number which - as I said earlier - can be found in 
 About This Mac under the Apple menu, you can copy the number to your 
 clipboard and paste it into the field on the web page or whatever.
 
 
 On 10 Jan 2014, at 1:38 am, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I was never asked for this, where do you find it?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 9, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 It I'm sure I saw the same thing when I tried to upgrade one of my older 
 machines, I guess its part of the check that's performed to see if your 
 machine is compatible with OSX Mavericks.
 
 
 On 9 Jan 2014, at 9:14 pm, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 I read somewhere on the AFB AccessWorld web site that Mavericks asks you 
 for the computer ID.
 
 Matthew Chao
 
 At 08:20 PM 1/8/2014, you wrote:
 Why do you need the conpyter's ID? Can you not just go to the app store, 
 downed the app and install it?
 
 Take care.
 On Jan 8, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 I suggest you have a look in About This Mac under the Apple Menu.
 
 On 9 Jan 2014, at 9:12 am, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Hi, Folks.  Am looking into upgrading to Mavericks.  However, need the 
 computer's ID.  How do I find that before proceeding?  Thanks.
 
 Matthew Chao
 
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Re: Finding the Computer's ID

[Josh Gregory]

Yes I've seen it before, quite a nice little utility.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 9, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 The About This Mac function provides all sorts of useful information and 
 statistics about your machine, you can even look up support pages for your 
 particular Mac such as tech specs and so on at the click of a button.
 
 On 10 Jan 2014, at 2:33 am, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Oh that's what that is! Okay thanks.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 9, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 I've installed - or tried to install - OSX on a whole range of different 
 Mac machines and I do recall being asked for this once, actually it was 
 referred to as the computer serial number which - as I said earlier - can 
 be found in About This Mac under the Apple menu, you can copy the number to 
 your clipboard and paste it into the field on the web page or whatever.
 
 
 On 10 Jan 2014, at 1:38 am, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I was never asked for this, where do you find it?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 9, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 It I'm sure I saw the same thing when I tried to upgrade one of my older 
 machines, I guess its part of the check that's performed to see if your 
 machine is compatible with OSX Mavericks.
 
 
 On 9 Jan 2014, at 9:14 pm, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 I read somewhere on the AFB AccessWorld web site that Mavericks asks you 
 for the computer ID.
 
 Matthew Chao
 
 At 08:20 PM 1/8/2014, you wrote:
 Why do you need the conpyter's ID? Can you not just go to the app 
 store, downed the app and install it?
 
 Take care.
 On Jan 8, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 I suggest you have a look in About This Mac under the Apple Menu.
 
 On 9 Jan 2014, at 9:12 am, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Hi, Folks.  Am looking into upgrading to Mavericks.  However, need 
 the computer's ID.  How do I find that before proceeding?  Thanks.
 
 Matthew Chao
 
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Re: Downloading youtube videos.

[Josh Gregory]

How is it possible to download with this application, can you then converted to 
other video formats or audio?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 1, 2014, at 3:46 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Thanks sarah
 Found it .
 Will download tomorrow.
 
 
 
 George,
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
 On 1 Jan 2014, at 7:27 pm, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello. Not sure if it is still at http://www.macupdate.com but look for 
 mactubes. it will be what you want. I've been using this software since 2010 
 and I love it. Now that the dev put help tags in it will make navigation 
 much much easier.
 
 Tc.
 On Jan 1, 2014, at 12:00 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 
 Hi everyone, firstly, happy new year. 
 I am wanting to download videos from youtube, using the Mac. 
 Is there a website or software that I can get to save videos? 
 
 Typed With Fleksy
 reply://george.c...@outlook.com
 
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Re: Downloading youtube videos.

[Josh Gregory]

Nice, I had no idea that could be done. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 1, 2014, at 4:47 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 In case I'm not around, to download a video  vo shift m on the button after 
 the html viewing area, then click download and mp4.
 
 Take care and hth.
 On Jan 1, 2014, at 12:46 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Thanks sarah
 Found it .
 Will download tomorrow.
 
 
 
 George,
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 1 Jan 2014, at 7:27 pm, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello. Not sure if it is still at http://www.macupdate.com but look for 
 mactubes. it will be what you want. I've been using this software since 
 2010 and I love it. Now that the dev put help tags in it will make 
 navigation much much easier.
 
 Tc.
 On Jan 1, 2014, at 12:00 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi everyone, firstly, happy new year. 
 I am wanting to download videos from youtube, using the Mac. 
 Is there a website or software that I can get to save videos? 
 
 Typed With Fleksy
 reply://george.c...@outlook.com
 
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Re: Downloading youtube videos.

[Josh Gregory]

Nice, thanks very much.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 1, 2014, at 4:47 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes you can.  I convert my mp4s to audio using other tools but it sure works 
 and works well.
 
 Tc.
 On Jan 1, 2014, at 12:59 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How is it possible to download with this application, can you then converted 
 to other video formats or audio?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 1, 2014, at 3:46 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Thanks sarah
 Found it .
 Will download tomorrow.
 
 
 
 George,
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 1 Jan 2014, at 7:27 pm, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello. Not sure if it is still at http://www.macupdate.com but look for 
 mactubes. it will be what you want. I've been using this software since 
 2010 and I love it. Now that the dev put help tags in it will make 
 navigation much much easier.
 
 Tc.
 On Jan 1, 2014, at 12:00 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi everyone, firstly, happy new year. 
 I am wanting to download videos from youtube, using the Mac. 
 Is there a website or software that I can get to save videos? 
 
 Typed With Fleksy
 reply://george.c...@outlook.com
 
 ,Georgel  Sent from my iPad
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Re: about iPhone5 reading my buttons on my CD-Writer

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How does that work, I don't think they have an iPhone app.

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 On Dec 31, 2013, at 11:42 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would try webvisum. you will get a live person to help you there. It even 
 read my business card I had as I needed to get some info off of it.
 
 Good luck.
 On Dec 31, 2013, at 8:32 PM, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
   I did tryit with Tap Tap See, and that was the closest I could get. It 
 said:
 
 Remote Control
 
 but there are so many buttons on that player and they are probably, like one 
 of ya said, icons.
 
   Thanks for all help everybody gave. No go.
 
 Take care,
 
 Brenda
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Re: about iPhone5 reading my buttons on my CD-Writer

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Lol it's all good, me too. Happy new year!

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 1, 2014, at 12:26 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I do this all the time! Roar! I meant viswis.  That app rocks and they did 
 help me read the business card  I had trouble with.
 On Dec 31, 2013, at 8:47 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How does that work, I don't think they have an iPhone app.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 31, 2013, at 11:42 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would try webvisum. you will get a live person to help you there. It even 
 read my business card I had as I needed to get some info off of it.
 
 Good luck.
 On Dec 31, 2013, at 8:32 PM, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I did tryit with Tap Tap See, and that was the closest I could get. It 
 said:
 
 Remote Control
 
 but there are so many buttons on that player and they are probably, like 
 one 
 of ya said, icons.
 
 Thanks for all help everybody gave. No go.
 
 Take care,
 
 Brenda
 mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net 
 
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Re: Google Chrome app

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No… Sorry, I think thats a Chromecast.

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 On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:16 AM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Oh, you're talking about the Chromevox.  Yeah, I hear they're somewhat decent.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Glenn glenner...@cableone.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:06 AM
 Subject: Google Chrome app
 
 
 Hi,
 I bought a couple of Google Chrome devices for family members, for Xmas, for
 35 dollars each at Amazon.
 There is a free Google Chrome app for the IOS devices, on the app store,
 called Google Chrome, and I am pleased to report that the device is at least
 indirectly usable by a Blind person using VoiceOver from their IOS device.
 There are two parts of setting it up, one is plugging it into your TV and
 then connecting to your router.
 This part is not doable by a Blind person, because TVs don't yet have
 screenreaders.
 The other part is to open the Google Chrome app on your IOS device, and you
 will find the Google Chrome device if you are connected to the same router
 it is connected to.
 A funny thing about this is, if someone is watching a program, you can
 change what they are watching from your device.
 You can watch content from your device, like videos and YouTube content, and
 NetFlix and other similar content.
 Since I don't have an Apple TV device, I cannot compare the two except to
 say that I suspect that a person using VoiceOver can probably set it up
 completely, where connecting the device to the router is not possible since
 it has no speakers, and no touch-screen and I don't think there would be a
 way to run TalkBack on it.
 
 Anyway, I hope some find this useful.
 Glenn
 
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Re: Google Chrome app

[Josh Gregory]

LOL it's quite alright, I'm sure I've done something like that myself, in fact 
I know I have.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:35 AM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 What did I say, Chromevox?  God!  It's been a long night!  Damn I feel 
 imbarrassed!  Tarzan cry!  LOL!
 
 Sorry bout that.  I feel really smart right about now!  LOL!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:33 AM
 Subject: Re: Google Chrome app
 
 
 No… Sorry, I think thats a Chromecast.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:16 AM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Oh, you're talking about the Chromevox.  Yeah, I hear they're somewhat 
 decent.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Glenn glenner...@cableone.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:06 AM
 Subject: Google Chrome app
 
 
 Hi,
 I bought a couple of Google Chrome devices for family members, for Xmas, 
 for
 35 dollars each at Amazon.
 There is a free Google Chrome app for the IOS devices, on the app store,
 called Google Chrome, and I am pleased to report that the device is at 
 least
 indirectly usable by a Blind person using VoiceOver from their IOS device.
 There are two parts of setting it up, one is plugging it into your TV and
 then connecting to your router.
 This part is not doable by a Blind person, because TVs don't yet have
 screenreaders.
 The other part is to open the Google Chrome app on your IOS device, and you
 will find the Google Chrome device if you are connected to the same router
 it is connected to.
 A funny thing about this is, if someone is watching a program, you can
 change what they are watching from your device.
 You can watch content from your device, like videos and YouTube content, 
 and
 NetFlix and other similar content.
 Since I don't have an Apple TV device, I cannot compare the two except to
 say that I suspect that a person using VoiceOver can probably set it up
 completely, where connecting the device to the router is not possible since
 it has no speakers, and no touch-screen and I don't think there would be a
 way to run TalkBack on it.
 
 Anyway, I hope some find this useful.
 Glenn
 
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