Re: [Mac-Access]: Detecting colour on the Mac

[Sean Murphy]

Anne,


Thanks for that. I thought that was the case. Since if you are editing 
documents or programming. Not knowing the indent is something that is very hard 
on the author. There are workarounds of course, but they are not very effective 
and interrupt your workflow.

Sean 
> On 6 Jun 2015, at 5:26 pm, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Sean,
> 
>> On 6 Jun 2015, at 01:54, Sean Murphy > <mailto:smur7...@bigpond.net.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Also how do you detect the position of the cursor from the left side of the 
>> screen in an application? Is this application dependent?
> 
> This is problematic. VO-F4-F4 will give you the position of the insertion 
> point but this is its visual position on the screen. If you set the zoom to 
> 200% the information won’t be dreadfully inaccurate, but it won’t be precise 
> either. I’ve been complaining to Apple about this for several years.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 

[Mac-Access]: Detecting colour on the Mac

[Sean Murphy]

Team,

How do you detect colour on the Mac? If something has a red background with 
black foreground. Howdo you achieve this with VO?

Also how do you detect the position of the cursor from the left side of the 
screen in an application? Is this application dependent?

Sean 

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Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news

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Apple TV has been accessible for ages. 

How do you verify if Netflix has audio describe on it?

Sean 
> On 16 Apr 2015, at 7:49 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> I've not heard the podcast.  What exactly did he demonstrate?
> 
> Chris.
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> - Original Message - From: "Leo Bissonnette" 
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> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news
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> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> As a follow up on the Apple TV and NetFlicks, can anyone confirm its 
>> availability in Canada….
>> 
>> David Woodbridge did a great tutorial on AppleVis today and I followed it 
>> through. Sadly—unless I missed a step in his instructions, I have the 
>> feeling that Canada is not making audio descriptions available…. Would, as I 
>> say, really want to confirm this.
>> 
>> Leo
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 15, 2015, at 3:00 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually the apple tv now cost $69 us. That might be cheaper in england. 
>>> Just letting you know.
>>> 
>>> Take care.
 On Apr 15, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 some Apple news. Some products will be purchased in the future which dad 
 has allowed me to consider. The first is an Apple TV which is a small 
 media streaming box that is connected to your TV and allows you to stream 
 anything from media stored in iTunes either for PC or Mac to TV shows and 
 movies either purchased from the iTunes Store or streamed from a service 
 like Netflix which as of yesterday is now providing audio description. The 
 device costs £99.00 UK but extra charges may apply especially if you 
 subscribe to services like Netflix which is £6.00/month UK. The second 
 product to be considered is the Apple Watch. Dad is hinting I can do 
 allsorts from my writs without getting my phone out of my pocket. But like 
 I told him it is only compatible with the iPhone 5 and later so this will 
 definitely be a future purchase whereas the Apple TV is a near future 
 purchase. He sounds really excited that they both talk. If anyone has an 
 Apple TV please tell me what you think of it. Thank you in advance! Both 
 products were discussed during our pints this afternoon.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Stopping VO reading fonts

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Margaret,

Use vo + v and check that you do not have attributes turn on. 

Sean 
> On 15 Apr 2015, at 2:48 pm, Margaret Booth  wrote:
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> When I am reading emails in Mail or documents in Text edit voice over keeps
> reading out the type of font that is in the email or document. I have tried
> pressing command plus T to hide fonts but it doesn't work. Can someone tell
> me what I can do to stop voice over from reading the fonts. It drives me mad
> when I'm reading an email and it reads out the colours and size of the
> fonts. 
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> Margaret 
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Re: [Mac-access]: making my own website

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There is a mailer dedicated to blind web authors. Do a search and you can find 
them.
> On 21 Feb 2015, at 6:53 am, Travis Siegel  wrote:
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> This depends on how much work you want to do yourself.  It's of course 
> perfectly possible to build a site from scratch, and code everything 
> yourself.  It's also a whole lot easier to use a package like jumla, 
> wordpress, buddy press, dolphin, or drupal to do it for you.  There are 
> issues with each of these, but generally, they can be made to do what you 
> want, with the proviso that you have to do things their way, or learn to code 
> around it yourself, something that is sometimes easier said than done.
> However, many many people are using cms systems (I wrote one myself several 
> years ago) to handle their web sites so they don't have to.
> But, with all that said, if you wish to code your own, it's certainly 
> possible, if short, simple, and straight to the poing with no fuss and no 
> muss is what you're after, then by all means, write your own html code and 
> put it up.
> However, it sounds like you're in a position of not knowing html coding, so 
> more than likely, a solution like wordpress is likely to do you the most good.
> There's loads of places you can get wordpress training, (including from me), 
> and some of the training is good, some isn't, some is free, some isn't, so it 
> all depends on how much time and effort you'd like to sink into it.
> Find yourself a host that will install wordpress for you (many do) and give 
> it a try.
> Even on the list here, there's plenty of folks that do both wordpress 
> hosting, and training, so if you strike out on your own, and get stuck, you 
> can ask (as long as it's vo related of course).
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> If you're looking for an accessible html editor for the mac, I highly 
> recommend taco html editor, I've used it for years, and never had any 
> problems with it.  It's relatively inexpensive to register, and has all kinds 
> of included templates if you need a hand making your code.  I use it all the 
> time, and like it a lot, but I know there are other options too that work 
> with vo, so perhaps others will chim in with those.
> Again, it's all based on how much you know, how much you want to know, and 
> how much you want to put into the site.
> hth.
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>> hi allhow can i gab making a professional website on the mac, incpuding 
>> links headings etc?thank youWill
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Re: [Mac-access]: commands not always working

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Have you tried to turn off voice-over and then back on? Sometimes this clears 
issues like this. I have found that Voice-Over and commands sometimes do not 
work and you get a ding sound. After I toggle voice-over it works again. Cannot 
reproduce the issue on will, thus have not reported it.

Sean 

> On 12 Feb 2015, at 7:00 am, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
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> Yeah I hate those things where you are the only one with the issue.  it 
> really sucks. I guess just keep trying? I really don't know on this one as it 
> is  so far working for all of us.
> 
> There's another way to remove stuff but I won't show you that one as one 
> mistake in typing and you can screw things up. You can use the rm -rf 
> command, but again, one mistake and you can do what I did, loose a whole tb 
> of stuff.  so now I'm very careful what  I type. 
> 
> Take care. 
>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
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>> Yes I do have it highlighted.
>> I guess I am alone with this problem. LUCKY me.
>> Lovette
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
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>>> That's odd. I don't have that issue. It has always worked for me. 
>>> 
>>> Are you sure you highlight a file? Go in to your desktop or where ever and 
>>> make sure you are in list mode with cmd plus numrow 2. Then highlight the 
>>> offensive file and hit cmd back space.
 On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
 
 The cmd backspace doesn’talways work. 
 
> On Feb 11, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
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> When you say deleting files do you mean unmounting a hard drive? if so 
> there is an easier way. Hit cmd shift c from the finder to get to what i 
> call the computers and drives list. , Highlight your drive and hit cmd 
> plus e. I turned off everything on the desktop  as i hate volumes there 
> to begin with.
> 
> If you want to delete a file the short cut key is cmd back space. 
> 
> Take care.
>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
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>> Hi there. Sometimes the commands for ejecting and deleting files are not 
>> working on the desktop. Sometimes I have to go into the menu to do this 
>> and sometimes it is just not available.
>> Any ideas on this?
>> Thanks.
>> Lovette
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Re: [Mac-access]: audible manager for mac?

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No, you have to use iTunes.
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> is there an audible manager for the mac, and is it accessible?
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[Mac-access]: Just upgraded to 10.10 and some questions.

[Sean Murphy]

Hi all.


I have just upgraded to 10.10 the latest version. I am trying to work out how 
to perform hand off, take my call on the Mac and make the call on the mac. The 
same for all the other features that you are meant to be able to pass between 
the iPhone and Mac.

Everything is setup from my knowledge. Bluetooth is on. Hands off settings on 
the Mac and iPhone are on. I am logged into iCloud on both devices. but do not 
see any options for performing hand off.

What is the shortcut key to access notify?
Any widgets to show world clock that is accessible?
How do you quickly access widgets via the keyboard?

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[Mac-access]: WordPress Mac software and iOS

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All,


Seeking for a good app on the Mac and iOS to do blogs on WordPress.

Sean 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

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Not yet, I have to fix my VMWare before I can upgrade.
On 1 Feb 2015, at 6:32 pm, christopher hallsworth  
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> Safari now allows you to navigate web pages using standalone arrow keys. Just 
> turn QuickNav off and check it out.
>> On 1 Feb 2015, at 02:45, Sean Murphy  wrote:
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>> This is why I don’t like the VO approach to web pages. All other approaches 
>> treat the page as a document. Thus you just need to use your arrow keys to 
>> navigate and not interact with frames, tables, etc.
>> 
>> Simple pages in safari work fine. It becomes real difficult when you have a 
>> complex pages.
>> 
>> Sean 
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>>> Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser 
>>> code most osx browsers use to render their content).
>>> When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just 
>>> fine.  Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to 
>>> use tables instead.  This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it 
>>> takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more 
>>> navigational commands to get through the pages.  Needless to say, I wasn't 
>>> happy.
>>> Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm 
>>> stuck until I can obtain a newer mac.  Perhaps your issues are similarly 
>>> related.
>>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
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>>>> Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are 
>>>> finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are 
>>>> experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences 
>>>> between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it 
>>>> is different now?
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>>>>> cannot read the pages as easily as before.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

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This is why I don’t like the VO approach to web pages. All other approaches 
treat the page as a document. Thus you just need to use your arrow keys to 
navigate and not interact with frames, tables, etc.

Simple pages in safari work fine. It becomes real difficult when you have a 
complex pages.

Sean 
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> Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser 
> code most osx browsers use to render their content).
> When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just 
> fine.  Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to use 
> tables instead.  This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it takes 
> more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more navigational 
> commands to get through the pages.  Needless to say, I wasn't happy.
> Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck 
> until I can obtain a newer mac.  Perhaps your issues are similarly related.
> 
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
> 
>> Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are 
>> finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are 
>> experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences 
>> between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is 
>> different now?
>> 
>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>>> One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I 
>>> cannot read the pages as easily as before.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Joining MP3 together.

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All,


Thanks for the info. I have found that Audiobook converter does it as well. 
MP3convert does it but way over priced for something so simple. Audiobook 
converter achieves everything I want. 

Thanks.
Sean 

On 19 Dec 2014, at 1:41 pm, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> I think doug's scripts does something, so does book binder. also amadeus can 
> do this as well.
> 
> Tc.
>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:13 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
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>> Nearly any osx compatible editor can do this, including quicktime.  Just 
>> load the two files, ctrl-a to highlight the whole thing, then paste it in at 
>> the end of the other one.  Export it to the format of your choice, and 
>> you're all done.  Sometimes, you need to export in another format (if you 
>> don't have the proper codecs installed) then use itunes to do the conversion 
>> back to the format of choice.  You can find the convert option in the 
>> advanced menu in itunes.
>> There's probably stand-alone programs that can do it too, but I've never 
>> used any of those, so others will need to mention them.
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:
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>>> All,
>>> 
>>> What is a good tool to join MP3 files together? I checked visapple and they 
>>> didn’t appear to have any.
>>> 
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[Mac-access]: Joining MP3 together.

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All,

What is a good tool to join MP3 files together? I checked visapple and they 
didn’t appear to have any.

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Re: [Mac-access]: open emu accessibility

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The biggest challenge here is finding those who have the skills to do what you 
want.


Personally, I would like to see people spend their time in making applications 
that get blind people jobs, then on games for entertainment when they are 
visually based in the first place. I appreciate the need for relaxation and 
some people like to play games to achieve this. But when there is so many new 
apps that are not accessible in the open source sector. This is one area that 
need to be addressed.

Sean 

On 12 Dec 2014, at 11:53 pm, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Hi all. I’ve found an emulator pack of sorts, that is one app with many 
> emulator cores within it. It is fairly accessible, with help tags in place of 
> labels, but the preferences tabs aren’t available at all to voiceover, either 
> in tabbing or the voiceover cursor. I hope that we can make this emulator 
> accessible, going as far as being able to either OCR the screen 
> automatically, with free OCR packages,  or grab text information right from 
> the rom. I really believe video games, as part of culture, could be made far 
> more accessible to blind people than has been seen so far, as shown by 
> “accessible mario” attempts, and even a Chrono Trigger project, for windows 
> of course, that seeks to make Chrono Trigger accessible. Now, with open 
> source projects like open emu for the mac, we can take advantage of this and 
> make video games work for us. Of course, this will probably not happen, but 
> it’s worth a try to see how many blind developers, or sighted ones who could 
> help, would help us. The Open-emu staff may or may not be willing to help, 
> but seeing as it’s all open source, we could make a fork of it anyway, with 
> or without their help. At least we could make the application accessible, at 
> most we could make some games accessible, like text of story-lines and such. 
> Then we could have Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy, and the host of them all, 
> accessible. We just need people willing to try and explore. Oh if only I knew 
> programming in depth, I’d gladly help a lot.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Selecting columns and rows in Numbers.

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I never got the message. That is the issue.
On 6 Dec 2014, at 4:26 pm, Nicholas Parsons  
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> Sean, Phil answered you pretty comprehensively. What part are you unclear 
> about?
> 
> Daniel, in what way aren’t you able to work with them? If you navigate with 
> just the arrow keys, VoiceOver will announce which cells are merged, but will 
> not announce their contents. If you navigate with the VO keys to the top left 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Selecting columns and rows in Numbers.

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I ask the same question and didn’t see any reply from Phil. Hense, still do not 
know how to select columns and rows.

Sean 
On 5 Dec 2014, at 7:00 pm, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> Continuing with Numbers, Can somebody lead me in how to handle combined cells 
> inside a Numbers table? There is a combined cell which I can’t work with, 
> Thanks for your help!
> Best
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>> El 5/12/2014, a las 5:14, Nicholas Parsons  
>> escribió:
>> 
>> Phil covered selecting columns and rows comprehensively. As for VoiceOver 
>> still announcing hidden columns, this is only if you use the VO keys to 
>> navigate. If you just navigate using the arrow keys alone, as is generally 
>> the better option, then VoiceOver will only announce the visible rows and 
>> columns. This is the same when you filter your tables: navigating with VO 
>> keys will not appear any different, but if you navigate with the arrow keys 
>> alone you’ll only see the filtered rows and columns. Using VO keys to 
>> navigate can get you into mischief as the VoiceOver cursor selects invisible 
>> cells, but the keyboard cursor does not, and this can lead to undesired 
>> results.
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[Mac-access]: Selecting columns and rows in Numbers.

[Sean Murphy]

Hi all.

First time trying to use numbers. How do you select a column or row in Numbers. 
The help talks about clicking the table, then the letter or number. Since I 
cannot find this, how do you do it? Also if you hide a column, VO still 
announces it. Any ideas?

Any good VO tutorials on Numbers that are text base?

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Re: [Mac-access]: My Mac Podcasts

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David,

These types of resources are valuable for those users who are new or not 
naturally the type of person to play to learn.  I don’t understand why why a 
prod cast to help others is breaching list rules. Isn’t these type of resources 
helping other VI’s?

Also considering our deaf and blind users, I think all podcasts should have a 
text transcript  if they are produced for the blind. lets lead by example.

Let us know where they are listed.

Sean 
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> I have received a message that my posting of Mac Podcasts breach this  list 
> conditions and have been rejected by the Moderator.
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> I shall not therefore be posting any more of my Mac Podcast series here.
> If anybody wants to retain access to these  podcasts as they emerge over the 
> next few weeks then please contact me off list and I can direct you to 
> alternativemailing lists resources where these podcasts can still be 
> accessed .
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> I may also consider setting up a contact group for people still wanting the 
> podcasts but cannot guarantee this.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Microsoft Remote Desktop IOS App

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I do not think it would work since the window screen readers need their 
software on both ends of the remote desktop to make it work.


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> Hi!
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> Has anyone tried this and - if so - how have they found it, were they able to 
> control a Windows machine?
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Re: [Mac-access]: Answering a call when playing a book

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All,

I have seen the same problem when I was using an radio app and audible. The 
double finger tap answers the call but the radio doesn’t go to silent. You 
cannot hang up on the call and what the post was outlining you sometimes cannot 
answer a call.

Sean 
On 9 Nov 2014, at 2:49 am, Ismael Herrera  wrote:

> Greetings to you all!
> I had experienced a similar situation with an iPad third generation. However, 
> I could not replicate the same problem utilizing an iPad air too.
> 
> HTH! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:53 AM, Juanita Martin  wrote:
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>> That's just it, nothing happens when I do a double tap.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:27 PM, ROBERT CARTER  wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When the phone rings, you should be able to answer with a two finger 
>>> double-tap. It shouldn’t matter what is showing on the screen.
>>> 
>>> Robert Carter
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>>> 
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 I am not able to answer a call if I'm using Voice dream.  The phone rings 
 but the screen doesn't apppear to show the answer button.  I haven't 
 gotten a call when reading with Bard so I don't know if it happens in that 
 app too.
 Has anyone else noticed this with Voice Dream?  
 
 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Big news for all Microsoft Office and or iOS fans!

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Everyone,

Be interested in finding out if tables, lists, headings and other styles are 
detected or not. If tables, can you navigate them. If so, what info does it 
provide? Does it give you graphic detection and the other features window users 
get?

Sean 

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> You get One Drive as part of your Office 365 subscription. But you can also 
> store files in Dropbox if you have one. In fact, you don't even need a 
> Microsoft account to open, edit and save files in Dropbox.
>> On 8 Nov 2014, at 16:11, Glenn / Lenny  wrote:
>> 
>> Does this require a one-drive account, and isn't it so that the files can 
>> only be stored on the cloud?
>> Glenn
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Christopher Hallsworth" 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 1:22 AM
>> Subject: [Mac-access]: Big news for all Microsoft Office and or iOS fans!
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all
>> Yes, Microsoft Office is now available for iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad
>> at a right price, absolutely free! You can download the individual apps
>> Word, Excel and PowerPoint right now from your nearest App Store. Best
>> of all, it is very, very accessible! I tried both Word and Excel and can
>> get the basics at least done with full VoiceOver support! I congratulate
>> Microsoft on their efforts, and hope they keep it this way and is a good
>> sign for things to come, such as an accessible Office for OS X.
>> Enjoy!
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[Mac-access]: IOS audible app deleting books.

[Sean Murphy]

Hi all.

If you use Audible iOS app. How do you delete books now? The latest version has 
changed and the delete button plays the book, not delete it. I suspect there is 
a bug with the labels of the buttons. the edit button does not do anything. I 
have managed to delete books in the past, but cannot delete the correct one. 
Any tips or steps on how to do this are more then welcomed.

Sean 
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Re: Deleting Virtual Machines in VmWare Fusion

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Hi,

Just delete the directory and everything should be fine.

Sean 
On 18 Sep 2014, at 6:49 am, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I could be wrong, but since vm is just  a file, You should just be able to 
> delete it as you would any other file. However, since it is so large you 
> might have trouble with it going into the trash. Then again Mac OSx might ask 
> you if you want to just get rid of it rather than try to store it in the 
> trash, since it is so big. As long as you don't need the authorization key, 
> you can just delete the VM file. Again, I mostly guessing here but that's 
> what I think would happen.
> 
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Re: Facebook apps and refund of app.

[Sean Murphy]

People, this isn’t accessibility? This is a joke. We shouldn’t have to jump 
through  hoops to use the app. I just received a survey by Facebook and they 
didn’t rank very well. I will use the link provided an list all the issues. 

There IC app works a lot better. This is why I am not a major face booker. I 
just get frustrated with the app and give up. 

We shouldn’t except second rate quality. No one else in the market does.


Sean 
On 2 Sep 2014, at 2:42 am, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Actually all you need to do is to just scrub back and it should work.
> 
> No need to kill the app, although it's good to do tat  every once in a while.
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 4:26 AM, Juanita Martin  wrote:
> 
>> I can only address the "stop following" issue.  When that happens, just 
>> close the app and take it out of the app switcher.  When you open the app 
>> again, it should be okay.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2014, at 3:45 AM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay, that is good. But I have the following problems and I am using the 
>>> latest version.
>>> 
>>> 1. When in news feed. It tells you to perform a 2 finger double tap. This 
>>> opens a dialog that asks you to stop following. I want to open the news 
>>> feed and review the comments. Cannot do this.
>>> 
>>> 2. When I open some notifications, speech stops if there is a photo. If I 
>>> go to the home screen and back into the Facebook app. It works.
>>> 
>>> 3. When looking through notifications and news feeds. If you use the left 
>>> and right swipe to move between elements. It sometimes dings and doesn’t 
>>> move. Other times it refreshes and throwing me off the current item I am 
>>> trying to use.
>>> 
>>> 4. I cannot find my timeline.
>>> 
>>> Is there any blog on how to use it with VO more effectively?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sean 
>>>> On 31 Aug 2014, at 11:51 pm, Juaanita Marttin  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think the Facebook app itself is the most user friendly.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2014, at 1:44 AM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Question, what is the most friendly Voice-over iPhone app for Facebook. 
>>>>> Currently using Facebook and a finding some real strange problems.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just purchased the Focus Tech/Science magazine and found it was not 
>>>>> accessible. The publisher is not going to make it so due to being 100% 
>>>>> digital or in other words it being graphical. Hense I needed to get my 
>>>>> refund from the magazine. The tip I shall share is if you go to the email 
>>>>> containing the invoice for the app. You can select the problem link found 
>>>>> within to go to the web site to request for refunds. As yet, I am not 
>>>>> sure if this has been process by Apple.
>>>>> 
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Re: Facebook apps and refund of app.

[Sean Murphy]

Okay, that is good. But I have the following problems and I am using the latest 
version.

1. When in news feed. It tells you to perform a 2 finger double tap. This opens 
a dialog that asks you to stop following. I want to open the news feed and 
review the comments. Cannot do this.

2. When I open some notifications, speech stops if there is a photo. If I go to 
the home screen and back into the Facebook app. It works.

3. When looking through notifications and news feeds. If you use the left and 
right swipe to move between elements. It sometimes dings and doesn’t move. 
Other times it refreshes and throwing me off the current item I am trying to 
use.

4. I cannot find my timeline.

Is there any blog on how to use it with VO more effectively?


Sean 
On 31 Aug 2014, at 11:51 pm, Juaanita Marttin  wrote:

> I think the Facebook app itself is the most user friendly.
> 
> On Aug 31, 2014, at 1:44 AM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> Question, what is the most friendly Voice-over iPhone app for Facebook. 
>> Currently using Facebook and a finding some real strange problems.
>> 
>> I just purchased the Focus Tech/Science magazine and found it was not 
>> accessible. The publisher is not going to make it so due to being 100% 
>> digital or in other words it being graphical. Hense I needed to get my 
>> refund from the magazine. The tip I shall share is if you go to the email 
>> containing the invoice for the app. You can select the problem link found 
>> within to go to the web site to request for refunds. As yet, I am not sure 
>> if this has been process by Apple.
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Facebook apps and refund of app.

[Sean Murphy]

All,

Question, what is the most friendly Voice-over iPhone app for Facebook. 
Currently using Facebook and a finding some real strange problems.

I just purchased the Focus Tech/Science magazine and found it was not 
accessible. The publisher is not going to make it so due to being 100% digital 
or in other words it being graphical. Hense I needed to get my refund from the 
magazine. The tip I shall share is if you go to the email containing the 
invoice for the app. You can select the problem link found within to go to the 
web site to request for refunds. As yet, I am not sure if this has been process 
by Apple.

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Re: using spotify on the iPhone with voice over.

[Sean Murphy]

Stewart, 

Reach out to the company to get them to fix it. I have already and informed 
them that I was ending my subscription due to lack of accessibility support. 
They informed me that they were going to fix the issue in the near future. If 
more people sent emails of this nature to companies that use  subscriptions, 
then then there would be a stronger reasons to fix the issue.

Sean 

On 25 Aug 2014, at 8:48 am, stuart young  wrote:

> Hi Aleeha.
> Many thanks for your reply,So would you say that if i got sighted assistance 
> to relabel some of the buttons it would work better?
> Kind regards.
> stuart. 
> On 24 Aug 2014, at 23:43, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
>> Spotify is usable, although not fantastic. It's fairly self-explanatory, and 
>> no particularly complicated jesters are required. Some of the buttons just 
>> have some clunky labels.
>> 
>> Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas 
>> Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
>> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
>> "The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian 
>> proverb 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 24, 2014, at 6:39 PM, stuart young  wrote:
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>>> Hi all.
>>> has anyone used Spottify on the iPhone with voice over? is it any good? are 
>>> there any good podcasts on using it?
>>> Many thanks for all of your help.
>>> Kind regards.
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Re: Navigating tables

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

I have to retract my previous comment about Safari on the Mac and Vo with the 
Audible pages. I have just identify the problem. It was a user error. Lol. When 
you move to the previous row in the same column. Vo takes you to the last 
element in the cell. When you move to the next row in the same column. It takes 
you to the first element in the cell. Thus I was under the impression that 
there was more then 10 columns, hens the confusion. I thought I was going to 
column 11, in fact I was going to column 10 the last element in that column. 


I hope the above makes sense.

I still prefer Google Chrome and ChromeVox on the Mac then Safari. Just find it 
easier to work with. I don’t like the way you have to interact with each 
element. This is specially the case for frames and other objects that have 
objects contained within the main object.

Everyone to their own.

Sean 



On 24 Aug 2014, at 11:28 am, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Acutally all you do to get to the prior colomsn is jsut hold down vo and hot 
> up down. Same about navigating across rows. It really is not that big of an 
> issue. You can also junp to the bottom of a table wiht vo shift fn end. I do 
> this all the time on gmail's basic page.  YOu can also use vo f to find 
> somethign in a table and that works very very well. I dont' use qn as I hate 
> it except for quick button nav which I do like.
> 
> take care. 
> On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, I am not rosy glassed as a lot of Apple users.  All OS screen readers 
>> have problems. Some more then others. The table navigation in VO on the Mac 
>> Safari is lacking. Basic navigation to the previous cell in the same column 
>> should work on all tables. Specially when other assistive technology screen 
>> readers don’t have the issue on the same table.
>> 
>> There should be no difference between using vi-up arrow compared to using 
>> the table navigation rotary option, then the up/down arrows. If Vo detects 
>> it as a table, then it should handle it accordingly.
>> 
>> There is a lot of things that work fine in VO, equally there are issues like 
>> any product. I do not see apple fixing these problems and this is the 
>> biggest issue and differentiation between a dedicated company to a main 
>> stream. dedicated companies will act faster due to it is in their interest. 
>> Main stream companies will do it if they have the budget or if it is 
>> something that they believe is necessary. The budget issue is normally the 
>> first thing off the rack. Since accessibility is low on their overall 
>> business plans, it will take them far longer if ever to fix these annoying 
>> bugs or introducing new features that the small customer base wants.
>> 
>> IF Apple opened up the API of Voice Over more then you might be able to 
>> introduce new features by others who have the skills.
>> 
>> Sean 
>> On 24 Aug 2014, at 6:13 am, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>>> No issues at all actually. I can fly around almost any table, about 99 
>>> percent of them. Sometimes I run in to them, Jk, but really safari and 
>>> tables and tables in general with osx is really quite simple. and as for 
>>> the help docs dont' read them as they show you the long way to do stuff. 
>>> 
>>> I had training for about 4 hours and by the time I was done I was using the 
>>> internet and taking  notes in class the next day.
>>> 
>>> Take care. 
>>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 1:11 PM, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'll leave it to the experts then if that's what it takes to achieve 
>>>> proper table navigation.  I use the tools as they are advertised and 
>>>> documented in the help and tutorials.  There are significant issues.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Actually table navigation rocks and I use it in a work environment, mainly 
>>>> the creation of my websites and music sites.  You just need to knwo how to 
>>>> use the tools at hand.
>>>> 
>>>> Tae care. 
>>>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 11:30 AM, gs  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hmm.  I'll try this next time I want to read a table.  But I have to say 
>>>>> that the table navigation is so poor with the column weirdness that I'm 
>>>>> glad I don't have to use a Mac in a work environment.  I love it for what 
>>>>> it does well but can't understand why there are not more incremental 
>>>>> improvements with new releases of the OS.  We really need to someh

Re: Navigating tables wasRe: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

[Sean Murphy]

Sorry, I am not rosy glassed as a lot of Apple users.  All OS screen readers 
have problems. Some more then others. The table navigation in VO on the Mac 
Safari is lacking. Basic navigation to the previous cell in the same column 
should work on all tables. Specially when other assistive technology screen 
readers don’t have the issue on the same table.

There should be no difference between using vi-up arrow compared to using the 
table navigation rotary option, then the up/down arrows. If Vo detects it as a 
table, then it should handle it accordingly.

There is a lot of things that work fine in VO, equally there are issues like 
any product. I do not see apple fixing these problems and this is the biggest 
issue and differentiation between a dedicated company to a main stream. 
dedicated companies will act faster due to it is in their interest. Main stream 
companies will do it if they have the budget or if it is something that they 
believe is necessary. The budget issue is normally the first thing off the 
rack. Since accessibility is low on their overall business plans, it will take 
them far longer if ever to fix these annoying bugs or introducing new features 
that the small customer base wants.

IF Apple opened up the API of Voice Over more then you might be able to 
introduce new features by others who have the skills.

Sean 
On 24 Aug 2014, at 6:13 am, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> No issues at all actually. I can fly around almost any table, about 99 
> percent of them. Sometimes I run in to them, Jk, but really safari and tables 
> and tables in general with osx is really quite simple. and as for the help 
> docs dont' read them as they show you the long way to do stuff. 
> 
> I had training for about 4 hours and by the time I was done I was using the 
> internet and taking  notes in class the next day.
> 
> Take care. 
> On Aug 23, 2014, at 1:11 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
>> I'll leave it to the experts then if that's what it takes to achieve proper 
>> table navigation.  I use the tools as they are advertised and documented in 
>> the help and tutorials.  There are significant issues.
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually table navigation rocks and I use it in a work environment, mainly 
>> the creation of my websites and music sites.  You just need to knwo how to 
>> use the tools at hand.
>> 
>> Tae care. 
>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 11:30 AM, gs  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmm.  I'll try this next time I want to read a table.  But I have to say 
>>> that the table navigation is so poor with the column weirdness that I'm 
>>> glad I don't have to use a Mac in a work environment.  I love it for what 
>>> it does well but can't understand why there are not more incremental 
>>> improvements with new releases of the OS.  We really need to somehow get to 
>>> a point where VO can be enhanced/fixed without an operating system update 
>>> but I realize this may never happen.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just hit vo up and down arrow on the colomns. this often works except on 
>>> certain web pages. I hate qn for some reason, and yes I know how to use it. 
>>> lol! I did some materials on it, but I personally don't use it.
>>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ok here is a tip for you all.
>>>> 1. Make sure quicknav is on with left-right.
>>>> 2. Go to a table by pressing either t or vo-command-t.
>>>> 3. Use the rotor command until you find navigation. Rotor is left-up or 
>>>> right-up.
>>>> 4. Now press either up or down by itself and see if you can navigate the 
>>>> table better.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Christopher Hallsworth
>>>> Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
>>>> www.hadley.edu
>>>> 
>>>> On 23/08/2014 12:50, Sean Murphy wrote:
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Safari on the Mac does Sucks. If you do reverse navigation on your 
>>>>> Audible library book list table. It moves to the colin on the right as 
>>>>> you move up by a row. It doesn’t keep you in the same column. This is one 
>>>>> of many issues I have with it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Google Chrome really works nicely on the Mac. Only problems I have with 
>>>>> it is that you cannot activate links when you are in the table mode. Also 
>>>>> I have not yet worked out how to copy links or

Re: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

[Sean Murphy]

Hi all.


Safari on the Mac does Sucks. If you do reverse navigation on your Audible 
library book list table. It moves to the colin on the right as you move up by a 
row. It doesn’t keep you in the same column. This is one of many issues I have 
with it.

Google Chrome really works nicely on the Mac. Only problems I have with it is 
that you cannot activate links when you are in the table mode. Also I have not 
yet worked out how to copy links or if a link refers to a document/file. You 
cannot download it, rather then opening it. This is something you can do on 
Windows browsers. I haven’t check this with Safari on the Mac.


The biggest thing I feel that goes for Chrome on the Mac is the search feature. 
This is really powerful. Nothing else does this.

IOS safari also isn’t a pleasant experience. It works fine with simple pages. 
But I have found it doesn’t activate all fields or links. Try to sign in using 
Audible as an example.

I have not yet seen if Chrome is any better. 

Sean 
On 23 Aug 2014, at 4:59 pm, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

> I wouldn't say it sucks but sometimes VoiceOver does jump around on 
> especially complex pages. I like it a bit more on the mac though but that's 
> not to say I won't ever use it under iOS.
> 
> Christopher Hallsworth
> Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
> www.hadley.edu
> 
> On 22/08/2014 20:46, Phil Halton wrote:
>> I was thinking of IOS browsers when I made my comments that Safari sucked 
>> pond water. I do like safari on the mac, but would like to find something 
>> else for ios. Any good ios browser suggestions?
>> 
>> On Aug 22, 2014, at 1:39 PM, matthew stubbs  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> There is a  hole list of  them  you  can use.
>>> Instabrowser, atonicweb etc but  like what  has been stated before none are 
>>> able  to be your  default browser.
>>> It depends what you want  to use it for.  But like most  people have  said 
>>> I personally find  safari work best  for me  and does all I need it to do.
>>> On 22 Aug 2014, at 18:23, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
 I personally don't see a use for any other web browser. There isn't any 
 use, accessibility wise, for anything besides safari. Safari can already 
 downloading stuff, I used it to download things and send them to dropbox.
 
> On Aug 22, 2014, at 12:18, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
> I personally  like safari, but I have use and also like dgoogle chrome as 
> a web browser. you cannot how ever use it as yoru default browser but it 
> works.
>> On Aug 22, 2014, at 6:38 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Try google or Chrome
>> 
>>> On 22 Aug 2014, at 13:51, "Jim Noseworthy" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Folks:
>>> 
>>> Is there a better option out there rather than Safari for WEB browsing?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
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Re: Spotify access.

[Sean Murphy]

The last time I checked it. It didn’t work. I would reach out to spottily and 
let them know your thoughts if it doesn’t work still.
On 18 Aug 2014, at 8:37 pm, Jim Noseworthy  
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> 
> Is the Spotify program for the Mac accessible?
> 
> Thanks all over the place.
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Re: [Bulk] Re: recommended rss readers

[Sean Murphy]

There is nothing on the iOS platform to stop this from occurring when using 
Voice-over. check to see if there is any refresh period in the settings.
On 18 Jul 2014, at 11:55 pm, Graham Smith  wrote:

>   I am trying this on my Pod, is it possible to stop the screen from 
> refreshing?  I get half way through my feeds and it jumps straight to the top 
> again, very annoying
> 
> Regards
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Brian Fischler
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 13:26
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: recommended rss readers
> 
> Not sure if it was mentioned here but the best iPhone RSS reader is Newsify 
> syncs up with your Feedly account and I believe it is free not sure I got it 
> along time ago, does everything you would want it to do, by far and away the 
> best most accessible RSS reader I have found. It’s so good I have stopped 
> even bothering with RSS on the mac.
> On Jul 17, 2014, at 12:35 AM, David Griffith  
> wrote:
> 
>> Nope that does not work I am afraid.
>> The app does not respond on any attempt to open it.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
>> Sent: 17 July 2014 03:16
>> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: recommended rss readers
>> 
>> vo shift m on the app then hit enter on open.  that will bypass gate caper
>> on a per app bases.
>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:43 PM, David Griffith 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I found the program but for some reason it does not respond and open when
>> I
>>> hit command O on Vienna.app on my 2011 iMac running Mavericks.
>>> 
>>> I tried re-downloading but the app still sits there sulkily in my
>>> applications Folder refusing to open.  I have disabled the Apple
>> protection
>>> from Non app store apps.
>>> 
>>> David Griffith
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Graham Smith
>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 17:06
>>> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: recommended rss readers
>>> 
>>> I never did find that program, have you looked at luck news/ just wondered
>> 
>>> how you thought they compared.
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Sarah k Alawami
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 11:58
>>> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: recommended rss readers
>>> 
>>> I personally use vienna. It's also free and fully accessibil. YOu can do a
>> 
>>> lot wiht it. I don't have a url but look up vienna and you shoudl come up
>>> wiht it on the first google page.
>>> 
>>> Tc.
>>> On Jul 15, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
>>> 
 The softcon news reader is a 100% accessible news reader, and it's free.
 It's on the softcon mac pages at:
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/
 (I do not have a mac capable of running the latest osx, so it's not been
 tested on 10.6+, but I've gotten reports it works).
 
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Re: recommended rss readers

[Sean Murphy]

David,

If security options are blocking it. Then go into your security options in 
system preferences. It should tell you there.

Sean 
On 17 Jul 2014, at 2:35 pm, David Griffith  wrote:

> Nope that does not work I am afraid.
> The app does not respond on any attempt to open it.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
> Sent: 17 July 2014 03:16
> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: recommended rss readers
> 
> vo shift m on the app then hit enter on open.  that will bypass gate caper
> on a per app bases. 
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:43 PM, David Griffith 
> wrote:
> 
>> I found the program but for some reason it does not respond and open when
> I
>> hit command O on Vienna.app on my 2011 iMac running Mavericks.
>> 
>> I tried re-downloading but the app still sits there sulkily in my
>> applications Folder refusing to open.  I have disabled the Apple
> protection
>> from Non app store apps.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Graham Smith
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 17:06
>> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: recommended rss readers
>> 
>> I never did find that program, have you looked at luck news/ just wondered
> 
>> how you thought they compared.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Sarah k Alawami
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 11:58
>> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: recommended rss readers
>> 
>> I personally use vienna. It's also free and fully accessibil. YOu can do a
> 
>> lot wiht it. I don't have a url but look up vienna and you shoudl come up 
>> wiht it on the first google page.
>> 
>> Tc.
>> On Jul 15, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
>> 
>>> The softcon news reader is a 100% accessible news reader, and it's free.
>>> It's on the softcon mac pages at:
>>> http://www.softcon.com/mac/
>>> (I do not have a mac capable of running the latest osx, so it's not been 
>>> tested on 10.6+, but I've gotten reports it works).
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Re: List Membership, please read

[Sean Murphy]

Lynn,

I don’t know if I am one or not. So I will send it again.

I wish to stay on Mac Access, Techno Chat and Windows Access. My email address 
is
smur7...@bigpond.net.au - email.

You might find I am not on Techno Chat and Windows Access but wish to join.

Sean 

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> Firstly, the response to our recent request for confirmation from members who 
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> grateful for that, thank you. However, there’s just one slight problem with 
> the responses we’ve received from some members. In the original request, I 
> did make it clear that we require the email addresses of those who wish to 
> remain on the list, and I asked for the address to be placed in the body of 
> the message.
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> In some cases, we have received mail with subject lines such as “Stay”, 
> “Yes”, and similar things. Also those messages and others besides didn’t 
> contain the address within the body of the message. If you think that you may 
> be one of those who omitted to place their address within the body of their 
> request, would you mind please repeating the exercise, this time making sure 
> to include your address within the main body of the message; email address, I 
> mean, not your geographical address. :) it would also be helpful if you’d add 
> a meaningful subject line such as “I’d Like to stay on”, which ever list or 
> lists you wish to remain with.
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> If you take more than one of our groups, such as Mac Access and Techno-Chat, 
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> you are one of those who did put their email address in the body of your 
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> ported over.
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Re: Keep On Trucking'

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Please keep me on the list. 

On 25 Jun 2014, at 6:02 am, Gordon, Lynne & Tracy  
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> At this point it is a little difficult to know where to start with individual 
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> respond to my request. This is excellent – and what is just as good is that 
> you all, absolutely unanimously, have expressed a wish to remain on list.
> 
> Thank you very much for this. Believe me, it is a appreciated by both Gordon 
> and myself.
> 
> I am currently in the process of compiling two databases for him; one on the 
> PC and one on his BrailleNote Apex using KeyBase.
> 
> Just one more small request for now. Would anybody who requires special 
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> Oh yes, and finally, so far I haven’t seen any opinions regarding the list’s 
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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

[Sean Murphy]

Jason,

I also wish to install EmacSpeak if it uses the Apple speech to learn it. Is 
there a simple how to guide on configuring the Mac and EmacSpeak?

Sean 
On 24 Jun 2014, at 1:10 am, Christian Schoepplein  wrote:

> Hi Jason,
> 
> On Mo, Jun 23, 2014 at 06:16:01 +1000, Jason White wrote:
>> Christian Schoepplein  wrote:
>> 
>>> One big issue is, that VoiceOver is not focusing the cursor possition 
>>> all the times correctly. Try opening a file with vi and navigate in the 
>>> file with arrow up and down to get spoken the current line. You will 
>>> see, that VoiceOver sometimes reads the wrong line, sometimes the line 
>>> above or below.
>>> 
>>> Then try to use a program like mutt, my favorite mail programm :-). 
>> 
>> Mine too.
> 
> *lol* Yes, there is nothing better :-).
> 
>>> There you also notice the focusing problems but also that VoiceOver is 
>>> not able to track a softcursor, which is used in many of textbased 
>>> tools.
>>> 
>> 
>> Adding the following line to your ~/.muttrc file might help:
>> set braille_friendly=yes
>> 
>> Mutt doesn't use a soft-cursor by default anyway.
> 
> I'm not sure if this setting for mutt will help. From the mutt manual:
> 
> -
> 3.23. braille_friendly
> 
> Type: boolean
> Default: no
> 
> When this variable is set, mutt will place the cursor at the beginning 
> of the
> current line in menus, even when the $arrow_cursor variable is unset, 
> making it
> easier for blind persons using Braille displays to follow these menus. 
> The
> option is unset by default because many visual terminals don't permit 
> making
> the cursor invisible.
> -
> 
> The problem isn't the not displayed cursor, but that VO does not track 
> the cursor in some situations. For example, if you are in the message 
> list and press "/" to search a particular message, VO keeps focusing the 
> selected message in the list and does not jump to the bottom of the 
> screen into the field where the searchterm can be inserted.
> 
> I'll try the mutt setting, maybe it helps, but I believe it will not 
> :-(.
> 
> And ofcourse that will not change the problem with the lines that are 
> not read corect in editors or in the shell.
> 
>>> Maybe the problems described above can be solved by changing some 
>>> settings for VoiceOver or for the terminal, but I've not found out what 
>>> needs to be changed :-(. But those both problems are the major show 
>>> stoppers for a good terminal support in Mac OS in my opinion :-(.
>> 
>> It looks nasty. I'm a very intensive terminal user and that isn't going to
>> change, so if anyone knows a good solution to the above, suggestions would be
>> welcome.
> 
> There've been some hints how to configure the terminal to get VO work 
> better, but they did not work for me :-(.
> 
> Regards from Munich,
> 
>  Christian
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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

[Sean Murphy]

Team,


I think we should compile the short comings of the terminal app and send them 
to Apple Accessibility. They might or might not know the short comings. 

Do you know how the screen app manages the cursor and if there is any settings 
to improve this?

Since Vo only speaks the last half of the prompt when you are accessing a 
different device. 

Sean 
On 24 Jun 2014, at 1:10 am, Christian Schoepplein  wrote:

> Hi Jason,
> 
> On Mo, Jun 23, 2014 at 06:16:01 +1000, Jason White wrote:
>> Christian Schoepplein  wrote:
>> 
>>> One big issue is, that VoiceOver is not focusing the cursor possition 
>>> all the times correctly. Try opening a file with vi and navigate in the 
>>> file with arrow up and down to get spoken the current line. You will 
>>> see, that VoiceOver sometimes reads the wrong line, sometimes the line 
>>> above or below.
>>> 
>>> Then try to use a program like mutt, my favorite mail programm :-). 
>> 
>> Mine too.
> 
> *lol* Yes, there is nothing better :-).
> 
>>> There you also notice the focusing problems but also that VoiceOver is 
>>> not able to track a softcursor, which is used in many of textbased 
>>> tools.
>>> 
>> 
>> Adding the following line to your ~/.muttrc file might help:
>> set braille_friendly=yes
>> 
>> Mutt doesn't use a soft-cursor by default anyway.
> 
> I'm not sure if this setting for mutt will help. From the mutt manual:
> 
> -
> 3.23. braille_friendly
> 
> Type: boolean
> Default: no
> 
> When this variable is set, mutt will place the cursor at the beginning 
> of the
> current line in menus, even when the $arrow_cursor variable is unset, 
> making it
> easier for blind persons using Braille displays to follow these menus. 
> The
> option is unset by default because many visual terminals don't permit 
> making
> the cursor invisible.
> -
> 
> The problem isn't the not displayed cursor, but that VO does not track 
> the cursor in some situations. For example, if you are in the message 
> list and press "/" to search a particular message, VO keeps focusing the 
> selected message in the list and does not jump to the bottom of the 
> screen into the field where the searchterm can be inserted.
> 
> I'll try the mutt setting, maybe it helps, but I believe it will not 
> :-(.
> 
> And ofcourse that will not change the problem with the lines that are 
> not read corect in editors or in the shell.
> 
>>> Maybe the problems described above can be solved by changing some 
>>> settings for VoiceOver or for the terminal, but I've not found out what 
>>> needs to be changed :-(. But those both problems are the major show 
>>> stoppers for a good terminal support in Mac OS in my opinion :-(.
>> 
>> It looks nasty. I'm a very intensive terminal user and that isn't going to
>> change, so if anyone knows a good solution to the above, suggestions would be
>> welcome.
> 
> There've been some hints how to configure the terminal to get VO work 
> better, but they did not work for me :-(.
> 
> Regards from Munich,
> 
>  Christian
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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

[Sean Murphy]

Jason and all.

The commands you have outlined are standard Linux/Unix commands. They do not 
control the history of outputs. when I refer to history of outputs, I am not 
talking about the history of commands.  I am talking about when you use vi-up 
arrow multiple times to review the last outputs that have been printed to the 
screen. Such as syslog or config files. You cannot move the VO cursor to the 
beginning or end of the line. As you have already stated, you can move to the 
beginning or end of the terminal (keyboard) line. 

Sean 
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> Actually, some of the Emacs keys, such as ctrl-a to move the cursor to the
> beginning of a line, ctrl-e to move it to the end of a line, ctrl-k to delete
> from cursor to end of line, ctrl-b and ctrl-f to move back/forward by
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> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343
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Re: Crome

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Margaret,

Chrome uses control option  to activate command options. If you press cmd 
quickly twice  toggles between  on/off  sticky mode. This is the method in 
which I use it.  Below are some commands to know:

ctrl opt = - toggles between group, object, line, and word. This is the way in 
which you control the amount of information you hear at once. I normally use 
object and line.
ctrl opt up/down arrows moves you through the page at the level of information 
you want to hear.
ctrl opt left and right arrow moves at the next lower level of information. For 
example, if you are using Line. Then left/right arrow will move by word.
ctrl opt . “period” brings up the list of available options with their 
parameters.
enter - activates a link or object.

There is no form modes or the need to interact with the editable web elements. 
Make sure you do not have the sticky mode enable when entering in data. 

You have to turn on table mode to navigate them by row, cel, column, etc.

There are other options, but this will get you started.

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> some issues with my emails and I lost the email. Could someone please send me 
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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

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Jason,

The fn vo (control option) left arrow or down arrow takes you to the top or 
bottom of the window or in this example the top/bottom  of the buffer. 

control option command shift left, right, up and down arrows are meant to move 
to the beinging/end etc of lines. They don’t work in Terminal.

Sean 
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> Jason White  wrote:
> 
>> And I haven't found any that will take me to the first or last line in the
>> buffer.
> 
> Ctrl-option-fn-left arrow and ctrl-option-fn-right arrow, respectively, move
> to the top/bottom of the text in the terminal, if I'm understanding correctly.
> 
> Ctrl-option-b reads from the start of the shell session, i.e., the scrollback
> buffer, at least in my experiments this evening. If I run, for example, a man
> command, speech usually stops well before it has read the entire output and I
> have to go back to review it.
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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

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Jason,

Welcome. I use terminal regularly. I do not use a number pad and have a Mac 
book Pro. The Braille support is the same commands as voice-over. You cannot 
separate the braille cursor from the voice-over cursor. Hense, if you issue 
vi-up arrow to move up a line. The same command (function) is what occurs on 
the braille display.

Commands I use:

vo up and down arrow to navigate through the history buffer
vo left and right to move by word
shift vo left and right is by char of course.
vo l - read current line.

There isn’t any commands under voice-over  that I have found which takes you to 
the beginning or end of the line in the buffer like there is with Speakup or 
Window screen readers.

If you want to access via serial, you can use screen /dev/

Again, I find vo doesn’t read at the beginning of the line when using screen 
via a serial port to my cisco routers. I am not sure if this is a setting issue 
or terminal emulation. 

Emacs does work with Vo as well in the terminal.

Sean 
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> David Griffith  wrote:
>> I did google it and apparently the embedded numpad has been withdrawn from
>> recent MacBooks but the following may be of interest that I copied from a
>> Apple support page.result.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> I may be able to achieve what I need with VoiceOver commands - let's see what
> other Terminal application users think. Of course, if enabling numeric keypad
> keys turns out to be desirable, it appears there is an option for it - thanks
> for the reference.
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Braille moving by line.

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Hello.

A friend and I have just discovered that you cannot navigate by a line in 
Safari or web based help using the braille display. If you use the braille next 
line keystroke space dot 3 or set your rotator to line and use the down arrow 
on the Mac keyboard. 

Voice-over moves, but braille stays at the current location. IF you use the 
braille next line keystroke, it beeps.

We have interacted with the HTML page. Anyone got thoughts on this one?

Also how do you get USA computer grade braille to appear?


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Re: Adium as of today

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Adium I use all the time. I have it set up so when a new chat comes in 
from a different person, I am alerted. Since I can have up to 5 to 8 
conversations going a time. It is important I know who has just updated or 
pinged me. No other IM does this sort of thing.

It is all configurable and is one of the best IM chats on the market.

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>True and yes I probably did. Will have to do some more investigating I 
>guess. Now I'm not so new to the mac I may just give it another go.
>
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>> No offense meant but you must've set that up yourself, it doesn't come 
>>like that by default
>>
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>>> How is Adium as of today? The last time I used it it was ok but didn't 
>>>like the system voice announcing when someone is connected then online. 
>>>If they're connected then to me they're online or in some other status 
>>>other than offline so don't need to know whether they're connected as 
>>>well as their actual status. As a result I gave up on it. Any comments 
>>>greatly appreciated.
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Re: Safari And Chrome

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Sarah, 

What is the chrome mail list?

On 10 Mar 2014, at 8:18 am, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> I can't find it either, but that does not mean it's there. I can ask on the 
> chrome list I'm on if need be.
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> Take care.
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>> Hi!
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>> One feature I really like in Safari is the "Share" menu item available in 
>> the File Menu and from the toolbar, the feature lets you share the current 
>> page via Facebook, Twitter, Message and so on.
>> 
>> I can't seem to find a similar function in Google Chrome, does such a 
>> function exist?
>> 
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Terminal programs with voice-over

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team,

What programs work with terminal access via serial port. I have a serial port 
that works and I am seeking for a solution.

screen /dev/tty.usbserial 

The above does sort of work. But Voice-over isn’t automatically reading out the 
text as it is printed. If I hit enter, it beeps and doesn’t read out the prompt.


So looking for help to complete a course I am doing. I can work with the 
restrictions I have, but ideally I want a good solution. telnet and ssh works 
fine via term.

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Re: Mavericks and FTP problems.

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Always check your permissions for the user you are logging in under. That is 
the start point.

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> I am trying to use the FTP option in Mavericks server.  I have no problem 
> logging on to the server via FTP but I am not able to access the files even 
> though I have the server pointing to the necessary dirrectory. Any thoughts 
> on how I can resolve this problem?
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Re: 10.9 finder busy opening documents.

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Hi have found it is related to the view. I was using column view when it would 
just not work. If I changed it to flow, list or icon. Did not have the problem. 
Once I went back to column view, the issue occurred again.

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> If you are in list view it will happen less, but this happens to me which 
> leads me to believe that apple is redrawing the screen or something. This has 
> been a known bug since about 10.8 at least for me.
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>> Hi all.
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>> 
>> How do you stop finder from going busy all the time? I am opening my 
>> document folder and it goes to busy straight away. This is a brand new 
>> machine with a fresh install. Only thing I have done is migrated my old 
>> account across. Using 10.9 on a Mac Pro laptop 15 inch quad core with 16 gb 
>> of memory.
>> 
>> I cannot work with the way it is going.
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Hi all.


How do you stop finder from going busy all the time? I am opening my document 
folder and it goes to busy straight away. This is a brand new machine with a 
fresh install. Only thing I have done is migrated my old account across. Using 
10.9 on a Mac Pro laptop 15 inch quad core with 16 gb of memory.

I cannot work with the way it is going.

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Re: 10.9S firewall issues.

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Thanks for that. I will do so. I still want to learn the command line. I 
believe this is Mac’s true strength. Being able to change things both ways.
On 22 Feb 2014, at 8:47 am, Christian Schoepplein  wrote:

> Hi Sean,
> 
> Am 21.02.2014 um 22:37 schrieb Sean Murphy :
>> 
>> does any one here know how to modify the firewall at the command line? Under 
>> 10.9 OS X, you are meant to use pfctl. The firewall feature in preferences 
>> does not give you enough control. So if someone has done this, I would love 
>> to hear from you.
>> 
>> 
>> Also has anyone done Natting (network address translation) or PAT (port 
>> address translation) at the command line. Again this is meant to be done via 
>> pfctl. 
> 
> Take a look at the app IceFloor, this might be what you are looking for :-). 
> The app is a more flexible firewall and frontend for the ipfilter commandline 
> tools shipped with Mac OS. It is  quite good to use with VoiceOver, at least 
> previous versions were good to use :-).
> 
> Ciao from Munich,
> 
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10.9S firewall issues.

[Sean Murphy]

Hello everyone.

does any one here know how to modify the firewall at the command line? Under 
10.9 OS X, you are meant to use pfctl. The firewall feature in preferences does 
not give you enough control. So if someone has done this, I would love to hear 
from you.


Also has anyone done Natting (network address translation) or PAT (port address 
translation) at the command line. Again this is meant to be done via pfctl. 


I am trying to access the vmware guest OS behind the Mac firewall which is on a 
different subnet. So I can get my web server and other servers to work.

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Re: Google Chrome

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It works far better then Safari from my point of view. Table navigation 
actually works while in voice-over with Safari you have issues when you move up 
a table from bottom to top in a column. 

You can easily search on the web page by increments. Safari doesn’t give you 
this. Selecting text is easy as well. 

Sean 
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> I know there are people here who have tried this as I've seen the threads in 
> the past but not taken all that much notice.
> 
> So where are we at now with Google Chrome and its associated tools with OSX 
> Mavericks? I know a little about how Chrome and its tools work given that I 
> have a Samsung Chromebox but that's another story for another place and time.
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Re: how to make my Mack Mini and my Windows 7 completely transparent to each other.

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When you turn on file sharing, you are using smb. Below is the steps to use:

1. Open preference.
2. Go to sharing.
3.  Activate the "lock to make changes" so you can modify your sharing profile.
4. Move to the service table.
5. Move through the table and select "file sharing".
6. Move to the option button and activate it. In this dialog you can turn on 
AFP, SMb and find out which accounts have access to SMB.
7.  Turn on smb and then go to the done button.
8. The remaining options permit you to share specific folders and adding users 
that you permit to access your computer. You can also add share points as well.

Once you have SMB turn on with file sharing, then the window user can use the 
computer. AFP only works between MACs.

Sean 
On 06/02/2014, at 10:20 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> That might help, but the file transfer  protocols are not the same I  don't 
> think that is you cannot connect to a mac from another platform using AFP, 
> and since the mac disabled the ftp except via the terminal *that's how thou 
> turn ftp access on on the mac) it's a bit harder to accomplish, but it is 
> very much doable since I do it, via ftp not AFP.
> 
> Take care and be blessed. 
> On Feb 5, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> In preferences, turn on sharing for your Mac and permit access to your file 
>> system. Then the window user types in the IP address for the Mac machine. 
>> You can turn on guess access, provide them with an account or they could use 
>> your own account. You can also control what they can see. Such as only the 
>> public directory from your account. I hope this helps.
>> On 06/02/2014, at 9:46 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>>> I know the mac uses afp for file transfers and all of that stuff, but being 
>>> I'm not a network guru I have no idea if you can have  a windows machine 
>>> see the mac in that way.  I've often wondered the same ting myself for when 
>>> my friend with his windows computer comes over, how to make the mac see it 
>>> for file transfers and all of that good stuff.
>>> 
>>> Take care. 
>>> On Feb 5, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Jim Noseworthy 
>>>  wrote:
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>>>> Hi Gang:
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a resource out there that can help me to set up my network so 
>>>> that my Mack Mini and my Windows 7 pc are completely transparent to each 
>>>> other?
>>>> 
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Re: how to make my Mack Mini and my Windows 7 completely transparent to each other.

[Sean Murphy]

Hello,

In preferences, turn on sharing for your Mac and permit access to your file 
system. Then the window user types in the IP address for the Mac machine. You 
can turn on guess access, provide them with an account or they could use your 
own account. You can also control what they can see. Such as only the public 
directory from your account. I hope this helps.
On 06/02/2014, at 9:46 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> I know the mac uses afp for file transfers and all of that stuff, but being 
> I'm not a network guru I have no idea if you can have  a windows machine see 
> the mac in that way.  I've often wondered the same ting myself for when my 
> friend with his windows computer comes over, how to make the mac see it for 
> file transfers and all of that good stuff.
> 
> Take care. 
> On Feb 5, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Jim Noseworthy 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gang:
>> 
>> Is there a resource out there that can help me to set up my network so that 
>> my Mack Mini and my Windows 7 pc are completely transparent to each other?
>> 
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

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sorry, easter eggs within programs are never a good idea. Waste of space and 
resources. if it isn't documented in the user manual, then how will someone 
learn about it? There is far better means of handling GUI design then the 
approach that has been taken. EG: using a sub menu off the view main menu. That 
reduces the clutter on the menus.

What did you use to search for these hidden short cuts?

On 30/01/2014, at 9:20 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Lol. that's the point.  I didn't know about it until about a few months after 
> I started googling how to do stuff, but the good thing is it hides stuff I 
> really do't want to see.  There are even option cmd and option  shift things 
> you can do, none of which I can remember at the moment. but they are  there. 
> 
> Think of easter eggs in games and that can be a good analogy, or at least 
> that's how i think of them.
> 
> Take care and be blessed.  
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
>> There should be an option in the app or preference to change this behaviour. 
>> Since I was not even aware of it. So how would a beginner be aware of it?
>> On 30/01/2014, at 7:45 AM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> i agree with you. i have never liked hidden options it’s just not right.
>>> On 30 Jan 2014, at 2:27 am, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This is one thing about the mac operating system that is annoying. If you 
>>>> press enter while holding the option key, it will usually perform the 
>>>> option menu item. The thing is, you don't always know when this is  
>>>> available. I think it should just list all options in the menu and not 
>>>> hide anything.
>>>> Original message:
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>>>>> i have a quick question for you all.
>>>>> i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub 
>>>>> menu and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to 
>>>>> say sort by.
>>>>> how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the 
>>>>> option key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter 
>>>>> these menus to work with the new options?
>>>>> thanks for any help
>>>> 
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Sean Murphy]

There should be an option in the app or preference to change this behaviour. 
Since I was not even aware of it. So how would a beginner be aware of it?
On 30/01/2014, at 7:45 AM, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> i agree with you. i have never liked hidden options it’s just not right.
> On 30 Jan 2014, at 2:27 am, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> This is one thing about the mac operating system that is annoying. If you 
>> press enter while holding the option key, it will usually perform the option 
>> menu item. The thing is, you don't always know when this is  available. I 
>> think it should just list all options in the menu and not hide anything.
>> Original message:
>>> hey all,
>>> i have a quick question for you all.
>>> i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub menu 
>>> and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to say sort 
>>> by.
>>> how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the option 
>>> key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter these menus 
>>> to work with the new options?
>>> thanks for any help
>> 
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Re: Python programming on the Mac.

[Sean Murphy]

Zachary

Do you have any documentation on how to get EmacSpeak to work on the Mac? Does 
it work with Mac voices?

On 13/01/2014, at 10:31 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Emacs or another programmer’s text editor will certainly be able to do this, 
> but the problem of VoiceOVer accessibility will still be there.
> I’ve managed to get Emacspeak working on the Mac, but it wasn’t the most 
> intuitive process as far as I recall. I do recommend it though, contrary to 
> the common perception I’ve found it a pretty great working environment once 
> you get it running
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
> 
>> Well, I don't use it, but from what I'm told, emacs can do this.  How you'd 
>> set it up, or how well it works is unknown to me, but if you want to go that 
>> route, let us know how it works out.  I honestly have no desire to use 
>> emacs, (I've managed to avoid using it for the last 25+ years, and I 
>> certainly have no desire to start using it now, so I can't help you in that 
>> endeavour should you opt for it.
>> The only way I know of to get indentation working properly is to set your 
>> tab stops in text edit to be the number of spaces you want each indentation 
>> level to be, then just pound away on the tab key the required number of 
>> times until you're at the indentation level desired.
>> I use a proprietary programming language to program diy hardware projects, 
>> and it (like python) requires indentation to denote execution levels, and 
>> it's a real pain for me to read someone else's code, though writing my own 
>> is easy enough.  At one point, I'd considered writing a precompiler program 
>> that would go through my source, and produce the proper indentation levels 
>> based on tags I'd place in the code, but then I figured out it's easier (for 
>> me at least) to just control the indentation levels myself, though I think 
>> it may be useful for other people's code, so I may go ahead and write the 
>> thing anyway, just so I can finally have a definite picture of unknown code 
>> and indentation levels.
>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:
>> 
>>> Travis,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have managed to work out how to do proper debugging with in python which 
>>> means I don't necessarily have to have all those print statements. Only 
>>> thing I would like to find is a good editor that would tell me the indents. 
>>>  Voice-Over doesn't give you this information.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> On 06/01/2014, at 3:42 AM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Heh.  Good luck with that.
>>>> Python isn't a programming language per se.  It's really more of a 
>>>> scripting language.  As such, the typical tools used for debugging (gdb 
>>>> and friends) won't work.  Really, you need to approach it the same way you 
>>>> would if you were programming in an interpreted basic environment.  Put 
>>>> print statements all over the place, and make it tell you what the 
>>>> variables are at any given time. Php is like this too, sometimes it's hard 
>>>> to know what's going on, especially if it's a production environment, and 
>>>> error messages aren't printed (for security purposes of course) The only 
>>>> thing you can do is springle print statements liberally through out the 
>>>> code, and hope they tell you what you need to know.
>>>> Not what you wanted to hear I'm sure, but it's the best you can do under 
>>>> the circumstances.
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> All.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am seeking for people who are programming in Python on the Mac. I am 
>>>>> trying to find a method of debugging Python script. Any help on this is 
>>>>> more then welcomed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: Python programming on the Mac.

[Sean Murphy]

Travis,


I have managed to work out how to do proper debugging with in python which 
means I don't necessarily have to have all those print statements. Only thing I 
would like to find is a good editor that would tell me the indents.  Voice-Over 
doesn't give you this information. 


Sean 
On 06/01/2014, at 3:42 AM, Travis Siegel  wrote:

> Heh.  Good luck with that.
> Python isn't a programming language per se.  It's really more of a scripting 
> language.  As such, the typical tools used for debugging (gdb and friends) 
> won't work.  Really, you need to approach it the same way you would if you 
> were programming in an interpreted basic environment.  Put print statements 
> all over the place, and make it tell you what the variables are at any given 
> time. Php is like this too, sometimes it's hard to know what's going on, 
> especially if it's a production environment, and error messages aren't 
> printed (for security purposes of course) The only thing you can do is 
> springle print statements liberally through out the code, and hope they tell 
> you what you need to know.
> Not what you wanted to hear I'm sure, but it's the best you can do under the 
> circumstances.
> 
> On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:
> 
>> All.
>> 
>> I am seeking for people who are programming in Python on the Mac. I am 
>> trying to find a method of debugging Python script. Any help on this is more 
>> then welcomed.
>> 
>> 
>> Sean
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Re: converting audible files to mp3

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Also there is another app call Sound Taxi. I have not used it so I don't know 
how it works.
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> I would be grateful for a way to do this also as I am a member of audible and 
> have a massive library.
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Python programming on the Mac.

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All.

I am seeking for people who are programming in Python on the Mac. I am trying 
to find a method of debugging Python script. Any help on this is more then 
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Re: converting audible files to mp3

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all,

there is an app that will convert Audible files into other formats. It is 
called:

Ondesoft AudioBook Converter

Search for the app via google and you will find it. It was not to expensive. 

Sean 
On 03/01/2014, at 1:33 PM, Jane  wrote:

> I have something; let me see if I an find it, and I will pass it along.
> 
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:04 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
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>> Does anyone know of an app for the Mac that will convert books from Audible 
>> to mp3 files? I thought that Switch would do it, but that doesn't seem to be 
>> the case, unless there is a plugin that I'm missing.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: I don't Know Everything About My iPhone

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iPod allows you to listen to podcasts. Such as science shows or topics that you 
are interested in. The other app provides access to vods on topics from memory.
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> I'm curious, what do the iTunes View and Podcasts Apps do?
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Re: Paprika Recipe Manager Mac and iOS Apps on Sale for Thanksgiving

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all.


Where do you get recipes from? I have text files of recipes. But I would love 
to find a good database pre built. Any ideas so I can import it into the 
Paprika program?
On 26/11/2013, at 6:44 AM, Sandratomkins  wrote:

> Hi,
> I wonder could someone send a link to the app for the iPhone? I tried to find 
> it in the App Store, but they seem to be a zillion apps called Paprica  And 
> then something or other i just don't know which one to go for.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 25 Nov 2013, at 17:58, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes indeed, I've been importing recipes into it for the last few hours.
>> 
>> Only thing that got me confused was the Cloud sync function, at first I 
>> thought Paprika used the Apple iCloud.
>> 
>> I have all 3 versions of Paprika now, versions for iPad, iPhone and Mac, not 
>> able to enjoy the iPad version till my iPad Air arrives and I'm very much 
>> looking forward to that.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Nov 2013, at 4:53 am, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got the Mac, Iphone and Ipad versions last night. Totally impressive
>>> apps and very accessible. more features than I'll every use, but I
>>> certainly plan to expand my horizons. I totally recommend this if you
>>> would like a total food management system.
>>> 
 On 11/24/13, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
 Okay thanks! its on the iPhone now, don't know why it didn't install and
 download in the first place when I bought it.
 
 
 Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862
 
 
> On 25 Nov 2013, at 5:16 pm, Esther  wrote:
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> Hi Dane,
> 
> There are separate versions of Paprika Recipe Manager for the iPhone (and
> iPod Touch), iPad, and the Mac.  You might not see the app come up for
> your iPhone if you're running iOS 6.  But in that case you should be able
> to purchase the app from iTunes on your computer, and then download the
> latest version of the app for your operating system directly onto your
> iPhone.  That's the May 2013 version, I think, and it's perfectly
> accessible.
> 
> The layout of the app uses the area of the iPad screen, so I think it was
> a different enough design problem to warrant a separate app.
> 
> I'm a little less panicked now, because I realize these apps should stay
> on sale at least through Thanksgiving (this Thursday).  I was trying to
> find a blog article stating how long this would be on sale, and came
> across an old entry that said it would be through Sunday (meaning that
> last year it was four or five days, since they didn't put it on sale until
> just before Thanksgiving.). Thinking that it would only be on sale until
> tonight didn't make much sense.
> 
> So anyone who wants to ask more about these apps at leisure, go right
> ahead.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
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>> On Nov 24, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
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>> Well actually I'm at fault yet again , I was looking to see
>> whether my iPhone had downloaded my purchase of the IOS App and then I
>> realised that only an iPad version was available, I'm not using an iPad
>> right now as I'm waiting to purchase an iPad Air but the application has
>> certainly been purchased so yes, both IOS and Mac versions are now owned
>> by me and both are available in Australia so sorry about all the
>> unnecessary trouble I've put you through in checking.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Nov 2013, at 4:12 pm, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay, downloaded the Mac App and this is odd because - as you say - the
>>> Mac App is available in Australia but not the IOS app.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 25 Nov 2013, at 3:12 pm, Esther  wrote:
 
 Paprika
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Re: Anybody using a VO accessible full-featured project manager on the Mac?

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Brian, I also would be interested in such a beast.

Sean 
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> I’m looking for a full-featured project management application that is VO 
> friendly. If you are using such and wouldn’t mind a few questions, please 
> reply on or off list. I will consider a web-based option, but would prefer a 
> native application. It does not need to be multi-user or network-savvy.
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> Please do not reply with pointers to basic GTD apps, to-do, lists, 
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> personally.
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Re: accessible online chatting using the mac

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Are you looking for a chat program or solution for web chat? Adium is the chat 
program I recommend for chats via instant messaged. It is very accessible.
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> Hey guys,
> I know there are a lot of just plain chat rooms out there, where you can talk 
> to other people all over the world, practice languages, etc. Do any of you 
> know of an online chatting environment that is voiceover accessible using a 
> mac? Also, I know a lot of websites and things use different chatting clients 
> like java etc, what are some things I can look for when trying to determine 
> the accessibility of one of these chat rooms?
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Braille Cursor navigation on Mount Lion

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Hi all.


HOw can I get the Braille cursor to stay in one location on the screen while 
the Voice-over cursor or keyboard cursor is in a different location ?

Can you move the Braille cursor independently from the other cursors?

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Re: DocuScan Plus And The Cloud

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All.

If I understand peoples concerns here and using my understanding on how the 
service works. Below is a summary:

1. You scan your document.
2. The image is sent to the cloud server.
3. It converts (OCR) and gives you the option of saving it to the cloud or your 
pc.


Things that have not been outlined are:

1. What happens to the images that are sent to the cloud after they have been 
scanned? Can you access the image again to perform another scan?
2. Is the connection between you and the server encrypted?
3. is there any ability of placing a password on the document in the cloud?
4. What does the term and conditions say in relation to who owns the data? I 
raise this because some services like face book and Skype have specific 
conditions on ownership of data that is stored on their services or go through 
their network.


Before I outline my thoughts on the topic, can anyone answer the above?


Sean 
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Re: I wonder how I"m going to execute this project

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Hi,


I would write it up in draft mode and not worry about the formatting until the 
end. Use your own coding system if necessary to identify where the different 
formatting is required. Then See if the tools you have can replace text with 
formatting. Otherwise manually do it.

I would use word, but that doesn't appear to be an option.


Sean 
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> Hey to all. I have a question for some of you who do heavy duty writing. I’ve 
> been fine so far  with iText express, and text edit. I found out that I have 
> until may to complete a 30  page paper, ok no less then 30 pages. It has to 
> have illustrations and stuff like that.  I don’t have time to learn latex, My 
> question is this. how should I go about  this with the tools i have, or 
> should I save for scrivener, or pages, or what not? I know i have plenty of 
> time, sort of, how ever I don’t want to put this  off until april of next 
> year lol! I want to try and get started on this now assuming the fact I get 
> my topic approved by the adviser in charge.
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> Thoughts; besides don’t panic of corse? loll!
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Re: a friend of mine wants to get the old Siri back

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I suspect the answer is no. Since it is a core component of the OS.
On 19/09/2013, at 3:40 PM,  wrote:

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>My friend and I updated to the newest operating system on our iPhone 5. 
> My friend wants old Siri back. Is there a way to get her back?
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Thunderbolt devices.

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Everyone.

What thunderbolt devices are available. I am seeking for a solution has the 
following:

hard drive USB 2 or 3.
Video output
HDMI would be good.
audio and mic sockets.
gig ethernet port
another thunderbolt port
firewire 

Anything else out there that uses thunderbolt I would be interested in.


Sean 
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swipe up action on IPhone.

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Hello all.

On the Pandora radio app. You have to use a swipe up action to activate the 
options for changing volume, airplay and other features when playing a radio 
station. The swipe up action is done with no voice over present. I cannot work 
out how to do the same action when voice-over is on, any ideas?
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Re: logitech keyboard

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Hello,

How is the bluetooth keyboard have anything related to my original question 
where I am requiring a multichannel Bluetooth head set.
On 15/05/2013, at 1:33 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> I believe its the 760. I haven't tried it with windows yet. 
> 
> Sent from my iPod
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> On 14 mai 2013, at 10:27, wayne17a  wrote:
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>>   Hi what modle have you and can you use windows with it 
>> 
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>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 9:11 PM
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: Multi channel Bluetooth headphones.
>> 
>> Well, I know my logitech keyboard has the ability to use the f-keys to
>> switch through devices, which I absolutely adore, although I wish I could
>> find the manual for it, if anyone can email me one offlist that'd be good,
>> as I don't have access to safari at the moment. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
>> On 13 mai 2013, at 19:45, Sean Murphy  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am seeking for a set of Bluetooth headphones that can sync to a iPhone
>> and my Mac at the same time. Ideally I would like it to be able to sync to 3
>> devices at the same time. One can be a passive/active relationship. That is,
>> you press a button to toggle between the 2 channels. The third channel is
>> for the phone.
>>> 
>>> Jawbone apparently has one and I am waiting upon some feedback from a
>> person who is testing it. Any other ideas?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What I am facing is that I have multiple bluetooth devices. I wish to be
>> able to use one bluetooth head set. Then switch between all the bluetooth
>> devices. If a Bluetooth head phones do not have this capability, what other
>> devices might have the ability of switching between devices or allowing you
>> to have 2 audio streams working at the same time. 
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Multi channel Bluetooth headphones.

[Sean Murphy]

Hello all.


I am seeking for a set of Bluetooth headphones that can sync to a iPhone and my 
Mac at the same time. Ideally I would like it to be able to sync to 3 devices 
at the same time. One can be a passive/active relationship. That is, you press 
a button to toggle between the 2 channels. The third channel is for the phone.

Jawbone apparently has one and I am waiting upon some feedback from a person 
who is testing it. Any other ideas?


What I am facing is that I have multiple bluetooth devices. I wish to be able 
to use one bluetooth head set. Then switch between all the bluetooth devices. 
If a Bluetooth head phones do not have this capability, what other devices 
might have the ability of switching between devices or allowing you to have 2 
audio streams working at the same time. 

Sean 
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Re: Virtual Machine observations

[Sean Murphy]

Gordon,

VMWare handles all the HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer). In other words, it 
takes care of all the hardware  drivers.

Sean 
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> Phil
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> What gets used are the hardware drivers.
> 
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>> I don't understand the need for the bootcamp support software, if, in fact, 
>> you installed the OS in VMWare.
>> 
>> Isn't the bootcamp support software only used for a bootcamp installation?
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:23 AM
>> Subject: Virtual Machine observations
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> For obvious reasons, I am going to be very careful what I say here.  If you 
>> want more info please contact me off list, not on it.  I will respond only 
>> to general comment in this group.
>> 
>> Suffice it to say that I just installed Fusion 5.1.4 I think that is the 
>> right version number.  I also just installed the Mic….shshshshshsh number 7 
>> operating system.  Then, I installed the Boot Camp support software.  On the 
>> lovely new 13-inch MacBook Air which Lynne bought me a week or so ago, it 
>> runs like grieved lightning!  In fact, it's absolutely seamless.
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Re: Braille Displays with IOS

[Sean Murphy]

Glenn,


Just about any Blue tooth Braille displays. Go to the 
www.apple.com/accessibility site and have a look there.
On 21/04/2013, at 5:47 AM, Glenn  wrote:

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> Can anyone post a list of Braille displays that work with the iPhone?
> Thanks.
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Re: Sharing Clip board between computers.

[Sean Murphy]

David,


I am trying to share the clipboard or keyboard access between 2 computers. Not 
within VMWare. Using VMware isn't any concern to me for this task. So computer 
A has windows and Computer B has Mac. I want to send the clipboard between 
them. They are different hardware.


Thanks for the typing program. It sounds good.

Sean 


On 17/04/2013, at 8:13 PM, David Griffith  wrote:

> I am not sure if this is what you mean but I think the following setup would
> provide this capacity on a Mac.
> 1. VM fusion provides the capability to share a clipboard between a Windows
> virtual machine and the Mac as a standard feature.
> 2. This can be effectively extended to the iPhone by the use of the Type to
> Phone app whilst, running on the Mac, turns your Mac keyboard into a
> Bluetooth keyboard for your phone with access to Mac resources.  The type to
> Phone app  allows your iPhone access to the same clipboard that is being
> shared by fusion and the Mac.
> I have never tried this setup as I have yet to get going with type to phone
> but in theory it should work.
> I think the only restriction of this system is that the clipboard content
> shared by type to phone is possibly restricted to text and other data input.
> In other words it has to make sense to an edit field on the iPhone when
> pasted in. 
> It would not, I think, be any use for pasting files. Personally I would in
> any case use Dropbox for this.
> 
> David Griffith
> Type to phone was on special offer recently for about £2.99 recently.
> 
> Fusion is more expensive at about £50.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
> Sent: 17 April 2013 10:56
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Sharing Clip board between computers.
> 
> Team,
> 
> does anyone know of an accessible program that you can share your clip board
> between the Mac, IPhone and Windows? There is a program called share clip
> which does not work on the Intel Macs. I have seen an app that allows you to
> control the mouse/keyboard plus clipboard. But it doesn't seem to be fully
> accessible in the setup.
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> ideas?
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Sharing Clip board between computers.

[Sean Murphy]

Team,

does anyone know of an accessible program that you can share your clip board 
between the Mac, IPhone and Windows? There is a program called share clip which 
does not work on the Intel Macs. I have seen an app that allows you to control 
the mouse/keyboard plus clipboard. But it doesn't seem to be fully accessible 
in the setup.

ideas?


Sean 
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Re: This really is going to hurt a lot of blind people I think, read it!

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Lynne,


Please expand upon your last post? Since I don't podcast. I wish to understand 
what you are referring too.
On 23/03/2013, at 8:32 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"  
wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> There is one aspect which nobody has touched on yet. That being the server 
> configuration requirements. How is the average man in the street supposed to 
> handle that, assuming they don't pay a provider to do it for them?
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 22 Mar 2013, at 10:55, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
> Since the Vi market is less then 5% of apple's total market. do you really 
> think your stragity  will really work? Sorry, you are not a big enough fish. 
> for Apple to truly care or even bow down to the pressures. They will just 
> turn around and say it is your business therefore you occur the cost. We are 
> just providing the platform. 
> 
> As long as the pod is accessible to play, then there is no issues from the 
> average user. So the people that this effects is podcasters which is even a 
> smaller group then the whole VI group.
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Re: This really is going to hurt a lot of blind people I think, read it!

[Sean Murphy]

Hi Chris,


Since the Vi market is less then 5% of apple's total market. do you really 
think your stragity  will really work? Sorry, you are not a big enough fish. 
for Apple to truly care or even bow down to the pressures. They will just turn 
around and say it is your business therefore you occur the cost. We are just 
providing the platform. 

As long as the pod is accessible to play, then there is no issues from the 
average user. So the people that this effects is podcasters which is even a 
smaller group then the whole VI group.


Sean 
On 22/03/2013, at 3:37 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith  
wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> We just got this from iTunes. I think it's going to kill a lot of visually 
> impaired people's podcasts.
> 
> 
> 
> New Cover Art Requirement
> iTunes has been completely redesigned and there are new requirements for 
> podcast cover art. To be eligible for featuring on iTunes Store, a podcast 
> must have 1400 x 1400 pixel cover art in JPG or PNG format using RGB color 
> space. The image URL must end in ".jpg", ".jpeg" or ".png" and the server 
> hosting the image must allow HTTP HEAD requests. See our technical spec below 
> for details.
> 
> Technical Spec: http://www.apple.com/itunes/podcasts/specs.html
> 
> Server Configuration Requirement
> Podcast streaming playback on iTunes requires all hosting servers to enable 
> Byte Range Requests. Please confirm your hosting servers have this 
> functionality enabled. If you work with a third-party hosting service, please 
> contact them to confirm this functionality is enabled on their servers.
> 
> 155 Countries & More Than 100 Languages
> iTunes Podcasts has launched in additional countries around the world. Note 
> that reviews and ratings are unique to each country. Podcasts are published 
> in more than 100 languages.
> 
> 
> 
> Now, correct me if I am wrong. But it's my understanding that blind people 
> have no use for these images. Who, I wonder, came up with this crazy mandate?
> 
> Lynne
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Re: automator

[Sean Murphy]

Hello all.

Can anyone give me a good example on when you would use this tool?
On 08/03/2013, at 3:16 PM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Josh and Sarah,
> 
> You don't need to drag and drop actions that you want to add to an Automator 
> workflow.  Just add the item by pressing "return" when you're focused on your 
> selection.  This actually also works for sighted users, too.  The only 
> difference between pressing "return" and using drag and drop to add an action 
> to an Automator workflow is that your selection gets added to the end of the 
> workflow, whereas a sighted user who drags and drops that action can move it 
> to any position in the workflow -- for example, to add the new action just 
> before the last action in the workflow instead of after it. You can reorder 
> any actions that have been added to the workflow area by interacting with the 
> workflow, then focusing on a particular action, and using Command-Up arrow 
> (or Down arrow) to move it to another position.
> 
> Sarah, I'm not sure what you want to do with variables, but you can can 
> select variables for automator in the same way by pressing "return". So, for 
> example, you'd change your selected library from "actions" to "variables", 
> and then you'd select the variable you want from the list, like "Current 
> time", and press "return".   That selection would show up in a table of 
> variables below your workflow. (VO-Down arrow past the horizontal splitter 
> that separates it from the workflow.)  Then you might use that variable in an 
> action like "Get value of variable" or "Set value of variable", where you 
> switch back to the actions library and select one of those actions for the 
> workflow by pressing "return". Since you've already selected the variable 
> "Current time", the variable that is listed in the pop up for the "Get value 
> of variable" action will be "Current time".  However, you can add other 
> variables to your table, and select a different one by navigating to it in 
> that table, before selecting a "Get value of variable" or "Set value of 
> variable" action and pressing return to add it you your workflow.
> 
> HTH.  I don't usually do much with Automator workflows or services unless I'm 
> trying to answer a specific question. The point is that anywhere you read 
> about having to drag and drop, just select and press "return".  And if you 
> need to reorder an action in the workflow, interact with the workflow and use 
> Command-Up arrow or Down arrow to change the position of your selected action.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Mar 7, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory wrote:
> 
>> Yeah I know… There's a couple things that I want to do but that I can't 
>> because I can't figure out how to drag.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 7, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>>> lol. I'm still trying to figure it out. I know you can hit enter to let's 
>>> say insert a new mail message action but that's about it. I can't drag a 
>>> veritable on top of a pop up button as voice over does not let me.
>>> On Mar 7, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there, I believe somebody asked this before, but how is it possible to 
 drag stuff in automator? you have to drag stuff on to what ever you're 
 trying to create, and I can't figure how to do that. Any assistance would 
 be greatly appreciated, thanks very much!
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I also would like to know.
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Re: Lynne To Review Cute FTP Pro 3.0 For Mac

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Lynn,

Thanks for that. I am an old Linux hack user and FTP under Mac is usable. QFTP 
will just be the cream if it works. Also on behalf of the group. Thanks for the 
review of the program.

Sean 
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> 
> There are a couple of option; you could either use something like Transmit or 
> CuteFTP which, I hope, I will get reviewed this afternoon. Otherwise you 
> could use one of the freeware applications for Mac which, I am told, do a 
> good job. I'll let the group know as soon as I get the review done.
> 
> Lynne
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> On 5 Feb 2013, at 22:34, Sean Murphy  wrote:
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> I also would be interested. I currently use the shell environment which is 
> fine. But using a GUI can be easier.
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>> We shall soon see. The latest version is re-written in Coco and now uses OS 
>> X standard controls. I will do the review and let you know.
>> 
>> Lynne
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I also would be interested. I currently use the shell environment which is 
fine. But using a GUI can be easier.
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Microsoft Office for Mac! accessibility input.

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> All,

> I saw the below post on another email list and thought anyone here  who  
> wishes to improve the accessibility  of MS Office, might want to give their 
> feedback.

> 
>> he person I'm dealing with is Sara. She asked me to ask if you could give 
>> examples. For example lack of labeling, scenarios, etc. I am also including 
>> a link where you can contact her Microsoft blog directly 
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/saraford/contact.aspx


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Re: Alternative Text editors

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Nick period
There is Emacs on the Mac in the shell which is is  which is accessible.

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> Does anyone have any suggestions on an alternative text editor on osx? I'm
> looking for one more aimed at programming.
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> Thanks in advance for any suggestions
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Re: Moving contacts from iPhone 4 to iPhone. 5

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Marget


Use the restore/backup option within iTunes. Make sure you have the latest 
version of iTunes which is ver 11. This is the method I used to transfe 
everything across.

Sean 
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> I have just got a new iPhone 5. I have transferred everything over to
> my iPhone 5 from my iPhone 4   The problem I've got is that not all my
> contacts are there.  How do I get them all over?
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Re: Accessible Ebooks

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All.


Technical books go to www.safari.com which is o'reilly's publishers. There is 
1000's books that you can read on line.


Note, I might have the web site wrong. Going from memory. 

The main problem in relation to accessibility of fiction books is the Author 
gill. Look this up on the net and you will see what I am referring too.

In relation to technical books or text books. There is accessibility to the 
text, but not to the diagrams and graphics. I have even seen books that they 
clam they are accessible from the relevant sources which tables were an figure. 

It is a real mine field. A lot of good resources here guys.
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> 
> I don't know about accessibility of Nook books on IOS devices, but they are 
> accessible on the Mac using Adobe Digital Editions.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
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>> I must retract my recomendation for fictionwise.com.  It appears barns and 
>> noble has gotten tired of maintaining separate sites, and now have started 
>> consolidating all the ebooks they purchased into their nook site.  They 
>> claim the books will be put into epub format, which may or may not make the 
>> ccessible outside of the nook apps, but who knows.
>> Guess that ends my run of purchasing analog and asimov magazines now.  Guess 
>> I'm locked out of those now, a real shame really, since I've been reading 
>> them for more than 20 years, and have each and every issue produced on 
>> fictionwise since 2002, more than 10 years of issues. 
>> Anyway, to keep it on topic, I believe others have mentioned the nook apps 
>> aren't vo accessible, does anyone have further information on this? Their 
>> site claims they're very concerned with accessibility, and are working to 
>> make their stuff more accessible, but I'm not convinced.
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Re: click mouse keystroke

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Hi All.

Like always, I used the vo shift m and open the file with no problems. It 
appears there is a split between the methods of using control click and option 
click. I have written down the steps below so they can be corrected if they are 
in error.

In the case you want to open a file and use the control click, do the following:

1.  Simple process is to use vo shift m and select the open item.
2. The long method is:


a:  Select the program you want to open.
B: Press vo cmd f5 to move the mouse cursor to the vo cursor.
C: Press control track pad or control mouse click (on the physical mouse).

The last point is where the split occurs. Some people say you don't have to 
turn off VO while others say you do. I will try both methods and see what 
occurs.


Sean 
On 14/11/2012, at 4:20 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> I believe the problem is that with voiceover on, ctrl-click and option-click 
> don't work properly. you need to toggle it first, then click, and finally 
> turn it back on again. This is probably worth reporting to Apple, as it is a 
> minor but occasionally noticeable inconvenience.
> Best,
> Zack.
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>> I've never been able to get a good answer to this one either. What I've been 
>> told is to tap the trackpad while holding down the control key, but no joy 
>> here on my end. In true Phil fashion, I just gave up;-)
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility iOS Accessibility" 
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>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:27 AM
>> Subject: click mouse keystroke
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>> 
>>> Hello team,
>>> 
>>> How do you issue a control mouse click within VO? Since under Mountain 
>>> Lion, if you have your security settings set to Apple store and known 
>>> developers, and if you download an app that doesn't meet this. You can get 
>>> around the issue by pressing control mouse click. I have already worked out 
>>> how to get the mouse to the app, but cannot find the keystroke to issue 
>>> control click.
>>> 
>>> Any help would be great.
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click mouse keystroke

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Hello team,

How do you issue a control mouse click within VO? Since under Mountain Lion, if 
you have your security settings set to Apple store and known developers, and if 
you download an app that doesn't meet this. You can get around the issue by 
pressing control mouse click. I have already worked out how to get the mouse to 
the app, but cannot find the keystroke to issue control click.

Any help would be great.

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Re: Mounting EXT3 file system

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Hello Esther


Thank you for that, you have confirmed my research since I posted the message. 
I was hoping there were better support. I will have to reframe from using EXT3 
until there is support under Mountain Lion.

Still don't understand why the OS companies don't include EXT3 support. Oh, 
well, time to build another VMWare system.

On 13/11/2012, at 7:11 AM, Esther  wrote:

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> 
> I don't think the Paragon software for ext3 files has worked for any systems 
> above Snow Leopard.   You can read ext3 file systems (the native Linux 
> format) under Lion and Mountain Lion if you use OSXFuse instead of MacFUSE. 
> Some people also report being able to write to ext3, but results vary on 
> that, depending on specific configurations, and it can be slow. 
> 
> Here's the excerpted basic information and the source URL. I've also emailed 
> you separately off list a few more source documents.
> 
> Source: 
> 
> 
> ACCESS EXT3/EXT2 FILE SYSTEM ON MAC OSX LION (10.7)
> Posted by Nirupam Biswas on Saturday, December 3, 2011 
> On Mac if you want to access ext3/etx2 filesystems, which are used by Linux 
> systems, you will find lots of links on net but all are pretty outdate and 
> they don’t work for Lion. So, here is the updated version, which works. At 
> least for me. 
> You will need two softwares:-
> OSXFuse – Download link.https://github.com/osxfuse/osxfuse/downloads
> Fuse-ext2 – Download link.
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/fuse-ext2/fuse-ext2-0.0.7.dmg?download
> Download and install them in the sequence shown above.
> Fuse-ext2 needs MacFuse to run, but this is no longer maintained and does not 
> work on Lion. OSXFuse is the next generation MacFuse, but Fuse-ext2 is not 
> meant to work with this. Fortunately OSXFuse includes “MacFUSE Compatibility 
> Layer”. Just make sure to select this option when installing OSXFuse and you 
> are good to go.
> When both of them are installed, then try plugging in ext3 or etx2 
> partitioned disk and they should get automatically mounted, just like any 
> other disk. Note, after installing them you may or may not need to restart 
> your system.
> PS. You will be able to read the disks but not write to it. As of now write 
> option is not reliable.
> 
> HTH. Cheers,
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Mounting EXT3 file system

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Hello everyone.

I have tried out the paragon program to load Ext3 file systems and it didn't 
seem to work. My trial has ended. So I am seeking for a good solution that is 
reliable to read/write EXT3. NTFs which has been already mention here is 
another tool that I will check out.

I don't know why Apple and Microsoft don't include EXT2/3/4 in the OS natively. 
The source is free and wouldn't be that difficult to include.


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Re: Has anyone found the need to consistently restart VoiceOver when loading webpages?

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All.

It appears that we need to identify some good troubleshooting tips on Safari 
when we get these strange issues. Such as: Web site, download link, version of 
OS, period of time you waited before reloading the page or Voice-Over. ETC. 

I do not think this is an hardware issue. It seems to be more a software 
problem. You have to remember that there is a lot of events triggering inside 
safari and Voice-Over. If they get out of sync, strange behaviours can occur. 
Identifying the pattern and sequences this occurs will assist the Apple folks.

I am not sure if the development tools of Safari will ell as well.

So what I suggest if the issue occurs for you again. write up the steps that 
you used to get to the page and what you used to resolve it. By doing this, 
then others can try to reproduce it.

For example:

Mac Mountain Lion
Mac Version: xx.xx.xx.
Using default safari options.

1. Perform a google search using "Australian High Schools".
2. Pressed vo cmd h to jump to the first search item.
3. Pressed enter to load the page.
4. Waited 60 secs for the page to load.
5. Press vo u to bring up the roter options and saw no links, headers or 
elements on page.
6. Pressed escape to exit roter.
7. Navigated page with vo right arrow and saw headers.
8. Press cmd r to refresh page and repeated step 5. Everything worked fine.

This type of information will assist in narrowing down the problem. It could be 
the method being used in using safari. Note, the above is an example only.



Sean 
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> Having an odd issue with chromevox at the moment, it doesn't speak if 
> voiceover is turned on, the 2 used to work ok together. Chrome doesn't have 
> the busy problem but it does have some odd quirks. Voiceover is unable to 
> read certain list boxes, and if you come across some unlabeled links, 
> voiceover does not read the url of the link so you have no idea what it is, 
> in safari it provides this information. Over all though, chrome works pretty 
> well.
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
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>> Interestingly, the "busy, busy, busy" annoyance in Safari went away when I 
>> upgraded to ML. The trade-off was that Bento has now taken over the "busy, 
>> busy, busy" behavior.
>> 
>> Regarding Chrome: I've been using it with ChromeVox a lot lately as one of 
>> my classes is neck-deep into Google Docs and I've found Chrome to offer the 
>> best GDocs experience.
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>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 7:29 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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>>> I have not updated to mountain lion yet one of my mac minis will not run 
>>> it, but the other mini and macbook will, just a matter of finding time to 
>>> do it. Anyway, with 10.7.5 and the newest safari, there are times when 
>>> voiceover gets stuck in it's busy, busy loop and I do need to turn 
>>> voiceover off and back on to access the page. Another thing that happens at 
>>> times, and it seems kind of random is, a page will load, I will either 
>>> search for something on the page or try to navigate to something such as a 
>>> heading, voiceover will act like the search text was not found and will say 
>>> next heading not found. If I press command+r to reload the page it works 
>>> fine. I have found that using google chrome instead of safari eliminates 
>>> some of this, especially the busy messages.
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Re: Hearing Apple Menu when typing in ML or Lion.

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Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I do not use the trackpad. I will start 
taking more notes on when the issue occurs and does not.

I do not want to go through the process of rebuilding the laptop. Since it is 
my work laptop and will cause me major headaches.

Sean 
On 01/11/2012, at 10:37 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> Hi everyone
> 
> Nor can I, although I have experienced the first of these problems. At the 
> time, I don't think i brushed the Mousepad, though I cannot be sure. This is 
> certainly a bizarre bug. You might want to check the Console 
> (/Applications/Utilities) the next time this happens and see if anything 
> untoward turns up there.
> 
> Take care
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> On 31 Oct 2012, at 21:26, Zachary Kline  wrote:
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> Hi,
> I've never seen anything like this before. It almost sounds like your mouse 
> cursor is set to move the VoiceOver cursor, which it might do if you 
> accidentally brushed the trackpad. I can't think of anything else which could 
> be causing this.
> Yours,
> Zack.
> On Oct 31, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
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>> Hello All.
>> 
>> When I type in the edit field of a filename, sending a message via my Jabber 
>> IM client and other places. I regularly hear apple menu being spoken when I 
>> type, navigate or delete characters. I have had sighted assistance to see if 
>> there is anything on the screen and they cannot see anything. The menu where 
>> the "apple menu" is located is in the normal place.
>> 
>> Any ideas why this is the case?
>> 
>> Also I am finding under Mountain Lion I have to press vi-space twice before 
>> it will select items. Such in the dock or buttons. Anyone else seen this?
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Hearing Apple Menu when typing in ML or Lion.

[Sean Murphy]

Hello All.

When I type in the edit field of a filename, sending a message via my Jabber IM 
client and other places. I regularly hear apple menu being spoken when I type, 
navigate or delete characters. I have had sighted assistance to see if there is 
anything on the screen and they cannot see anything. The menu where the "apple 
menu" is located is in the normal place.

Any ideas why this is the case?

Also I am finding under Mountain Lion I have to press vi-space twice before it 
will select items. Such in the dock or buttons. Anyone else seen this?


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Re: insert key?

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Guys,

Laptops do not have the insert key. Extended keyboards provided from Apple do. 
You can buy a blue tooth number pad keyboard that will provide the insert key.

Sean 
On 25/10/2012, at 12:12 AM, David Griffith  wrote:

> I have a replacement old style Apple Imac keyboard, but the original  thin
> aluminum  model delivered with the Imac also had an insert key.
> Both keyboards are extended keyboards with full numpad. The insert key is at
> the bottom of the num pad array. In this sense they are identical to the
> layout on a traditional Windows extended keyboard.
> Whilst using the numpad and insert key with VM fusion the keys behave
> identically to a windows keyboard.
> Under Mac OS I use numpad commander so do not use the keyboard for
> traditional use.
> There is no special software required as these are standard apple keyboards
> shipped with Imacs.
> 
> David Griffith
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> Sent: 24 October 2012 13:43
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: insert key?
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Could you please provide a few more details about your insert key?
> - What make and exact model of keyboard are you using?
> - What is your keyboard's layout? (US, UK, France, etc)
> -  Where on your keyboard is the insert key located?
> - Do you need to press any additional keys in combination to make this
> insert key work?
> - Does the insert key act as a toggle to switch between insert and overtype
> modes in Mac applications?
> - Does the insert key work in all of your applications?
> - What version of Mac OS are you running? 
> 
> TIA,
> Bryan
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>> There is on my Imac.
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Re: I need somebody who has experience with vm fusion 5 on a mac

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Hello,


I live in both world's.  Depending on which version of Windows 7 you are going 
to use determines the amount of RAM. If you use the 32 bit then you only need 2 
gb of RAM for the OS. If you are going to use 64 bit then you require 4 gb. So 
you can get away with only 4gb on the Mac if you only use the Windows 7 32 bit. 
Ideally it is best to have more then you require to prevent any performance 
reduction on the Mac.

Installing the OS will have the same challenges if you do it on a native PC. 
That is, you either do it via a script or have sighted assistance. What ever 
screen reader you use will be done in the same fashion.

Caveats in relation to settings within VMWare:

1. There is an article in the archives that discusses about remapping keys 
within the Mac and Windows. Edsharp is the app for windows to remap keys. The 
reason for this is that the Mac does not have a insert key and you cannot use 
the caps lock key while Voice over is on within Windows. Voice-Over doesn't 
pass the key through.
2. Turn off all shortcut keys within the VMWare configuration.
3. Only use a 1 CPU. You do not get any advantage with more then 1.  
4. Set up share and access your documents from the VMWare share. This allows 
you to access them from windows or the Mac.
5. Install vmware tools in the guess OS.

Other then this, there is not much more to do.

Sean 

On 17/10/2012, at 1:44 PM, Laurel  wrote:

> Alrighty, if that's what most people want than it's ok with me. I just
> have tuns of questions and I want to be respectful of the list and not
> clutter it up too much for people who might be uninterested.
> As I understand it, I should have at least 4 gb of ram, I need windows
> 7 or 8 the regular version and not windows for mac, and I should
> install JAWS on my windows side of my mac so that I can use it when I
> need to use a windows program. Is there anything else I should know
> before installing? And how hard is it to install and set up.
> Thanks,
> Laurel
> 
> On 10/16/12, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> I really think taking the discussion offlist defeats the purpose of the
>> list. I could benefit from the discussion as well, as could others.  I'm
>> about to install VMWare fusion 5 soon and would like to hear about others
>> experience. Please keep this onlist.
>> .
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Gordon Smith" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: I need somebody who has experience with vm fusion 5 on a mac
>> 
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>>> On 16 Oct 2012, at 18:08, Laurel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> As my subject says, I am looking for an individual who has experience
>>> setting up and running vm fusion 5 on a mac. I generally understand
>>> how it works, and am planning on installing it on my mac. I do have
>>> some questions though, and rather than posing my questions to the
>>> entire list, I would like it if I could talk to somebody who is really
>>> experienced with this and could help me out. If you have experience
>>> setting up/running this program, and can help me, please write me at
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>>> priavetly, as not to clutter up the list.
>>> Thanks so much, I really appreciate it.
>>> Laurel
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>>> tutorials for blind people I would also appreciate that.
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Re: Questions about the Focus Blue 40

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Hello,

I do not believe Voice-Over supports this functionality under the Mac. You 
cannot use function keys, command, option or control keys as it is possible 
under windows using the JFW program. This is because Voice-Over has not got the 
functionality where the Windows Screen reader has it built in.

You can set up shortcut keys within Voice-over for those commands you want to 
use. This is the work around. But you cannot use a keyboard combination to 
generate the above mention keys with another key.

If I am in error, please correct.


Sean 
On 06/10/2012, at 7:27 AM, Kristeen Hughes wrote:

> Hello, I am getting the Focus Blue and am using one in the meantime. I am 
> wondering if there is a way to map keys to such important functions as 
> command or control or options. If I wanted to use it and not a keyboard, is 
> there a way to do this and make it function for giving commands?
> 
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Re: Virtual CD-RW for Mac

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Lyn,

I would be interested.
On 07/10/2012, at 12:20 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> Well, I was puzzled.  All file systems are created equal under unix.  I've 
> been using unix variants since 1992, and unix as a whole doesn't care where 
> the file system is, on hd, across the world, or in the next room.  That's why 
> I was wondering why this program was necessary.
> I've since done some digging, and it appears OSX does make a distinction of 
> some sort.  Since this program uses a kernel extension to solve the problem, 
> I'm guessing it has to do with the way block devices are presented to the os. 
>  I'm still convinced it's possible to get around it without resorting to 
> extra programs, but apparently, if anyone has figured it out, they're keeping 
> it quiet. :)
> So, sorry for the trouble.
> I was honestly puzzled why the need of such a program existed, but I see now 
> it actually is, at least until someone figures out how to solve the problem 
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Mac Movie lookup program

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Hi All.


I am trying to find an app that will look up Movie titles and give me details 
on them. I am aware of the Movie web site that gives you hits. But I was hoping 
for an app that could go through all my movies and give me some information.

Sean 
On 03/10/2012, at 12:55 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I reside in the USA yes. How ever I don't want to drag my desk top player 
> from my bed to my desk mainly because I'm having battery issues. I might 
> consider though using it if I have to, but I do hope that they make the mac 
> client accessible before the next mac os comes out next year and we have to 
> start all over again.
> 
> Thanks for the advice. I'm just frustrated is all.
> 
> Good luck.
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Damashe Thomas  wrote:
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>> I absolutely agree. It shuld on whatever platform you use. I contacted them 
>> about their windows client and it took quite some time before I got a 
>> response. Another optin is a portable reader, if you have one, such as the 
>> Humanware stream or the book sense. There is also the NLS talking book 
>> digital player if you are signed up with the library for the blind, and thse 
>> are free. Not sure where you are writing from, but that may only be an 
>> option in the u.s, I really don't know. I still believe that the learning 
>> ally application should be accessible everwhere they have it, but just 
>> wanted to offer other options since in your case these things are time 
>> sensitive for classes.
>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah Alawami" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: learning ally troubles again
>> 
>> 
>>> Oh it works, how ever I feel more keeping my zipped books on my hard drive 
>>> and not on my phone. They are faster to move via iTunes as i have a 
>>> relitavilly slow connection. and sometimes I don't want to read the book on 
>>> my phone. it's easier to read the book on my computer and  take notes that 
>>> way.
>>> 
>>> This problem should seriously be looked in to as what if you do not have an 
>>> IOS device and only a mac running ML or older. I'm really hoping they 
>>> address this issue now if I contact them about it. the last time I tried I 
>>> had to wait over 4 months for them to respond. They don't seem to get it 
>>> that the app is not voice over friendly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take care and good luck.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Damashe Thomas  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 This may come to late to help this morning, but have you tried the 
 learning ally iOS app. Recently, it became a free app, dropping from its 
 original price tag of $19.99 I have used it myself, and it was working 
 fine that last time I had the need to use it.
 - Original Message - From: "Sarah Alawami" 
 To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:12 PM
 Subject: learning ally troubles again
 
 
> Well it's happened again. learning ally was working under lion, well sort 
> of, but this time  it hardly and barely works under ML.Here is a file I 
> did. it's also a screen recording but that is not uploaded yet.
> 
> http://goo.gl/Z985q
> 
> I really don't know why they have not fixed it as of april of this year. 
> I've been telling them now since then and they just tell me to say good 
> things to them. Well not when I can't even view my book shelf or switch 
> players, or even try and grab  the player for mac. They must fix this if 
> I am to be a happy college textbook reading person.
> 
> Good luck all. and if someone could please give me some tips to go 
> through this I'll be a happy camper especially since I have a chapter due 
> in about 3 hours. lol!
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accessing remote PC's

[Sean Murphy]

Hello All.

I am seeking for a Mac solution that will permit me to access a remote 
computer. From the remote computer I then wish need to access a remote switch 
or router. The program must be platform independent.

All the programs I am aware of are not accessible when you need to take control 
of another computer. such as VNC, WebEx, Remote Desktop, etc. I only need to 
access the telnet/ssh program the customer is using. My current thoughts of 
resolving this issue is:

1. A program loads on the remote computer. The end user can interact with the 
program.
2. The remote computer accesses the switch/router via ssh and telnet.
3. The outputs are also echo to my console via SSH.
4. Both parties can type in data.
5. The remote side can log the outputs.
6. I can either run an app this end or use a SSH proxy. So then I can use the 
'ssh' program within terminal.


Any thoughts on resolving this difficult issue?


Sean 
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Re: Bean word processor

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Why don't you try iWork's or Itext Pro. There is another app which escapes me 
now which is apparently a good Mac Word processor.
On 24/08/2012, at 10:14 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

> I need a word processor that, at a minimum, will let me have headers and 
> footers. So, I heard about and installed Bean. At this point, I'm having a 
> header/Footer problem.
> 
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> I can get a decent header, but I want to put the page number at the bottom 
> center, and can't find a way to do that. I don't like the help file very much 
> - it isn't much help.
> 
> Any Bean users out there that can walk me through a few basics? Or, is there 
> a better app I should try?
> 
> Thanks for any help you can give.
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