Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
Regarding the problems using VO+Arrow keys to move through web pages in Chrome under Yosemite, we’ve had some discussion about this on Google’s general accessibility mailing list, and Victor at Google has opened the following ticket: Issue 455118 - chromium - [A11Y] VoiceOver gets stuck on web pages while navigating with VoiceOver cursor keys. HTH, Bryan On Jan 30, 2015, at 12:09 AM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: I used to be able to tab and/or vo left or right arrow to go through the page and read more than the links. I could interact with areas but now I get very little info at a time. Maybe a line or two at the most. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
Not yet, I have to fix my VMWare before I can upgrade. On 1 Feb 2015, at 6:32 pm, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Safari now allows you to navigate web pages using standalone arrow keys. Just turn QuickNav off and check it out. On 1 Feb 2015, at 02:45, Sean Murphy smur7...@bigpond.net.au wrote: This is why I don’t like the VO approach to web pages. All other approaches treat the page as a document. Thus you just need to use your arrow keys to navigate and not interact with frames, tables, etc. Simple pages in safari work fine. It becomes real difficult when you have a complex pages. Sean On 1 Feb 2015, at 3:17 am, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote: Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser code most osx browsers use to render their content). When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just fine. Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to use tables instead. This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more navigational commands to get through the pages. Needless to say, I wasn't happy. Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck until I can obtain a newer mac. Perhaps your issues are similarly related. On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is different now? On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
I know folks don't agree, but I don't use anything but groups mode, It's so much easier, considerably fewer keystrokes to accomplish things, and I get to read large blocks of text all at once, something not possible when using dom mode, and since I read a lot of ebooks in html, that's extremely important for me. I can't stand dom mode, it takes me 3 times as long to do anything useful, because I have to work so hard to actually find the piece of the web page I need. Of course, everyone should use what's comfortable for them, and unfortunately, I can't test chrome on this machine, but if it works in groups mode, I'd likely report it's working. *grin* But, anyhow, typically when something like this happens, apple and the other company need to go back and forth a few times before things get ironed out. I expect it will get solved eventually though. On Jan 31, 2015, at 12:19 PM, David Griffith wrote: Webkit as I understand it unlrunderlies Safari code and not Chrome, though I would be happy to be corrected. I don't quite understand why people are not seeing the obvious problem with the latest Google Chrome as it is pretty clear it has been badly broken since the last update, and is unusable with Voiceover now using default dom view. . Basically for example if you go to www.bbc.co.uk/news you will now find it is impossible to read any news content with Voiceover using dom view. You can only read element like headings etc. by tedious pressing of the tab button with no ability to read any actual news content. If you turn Chrome Vox on then the news content does become readable with that alternative screen reader but the previous accessibility which used to be possible with Voiceover has been broken. There is a sort of workaround if you are comfortable switching to Groups rather than dom mode of web navigation. Mysteriously then some text of web pages does become accessible to Voiceover but groups mode is not the most intuitive of interfaces. Hopefully either accessibil...@apple.com and/or accessibil...@google.com can sort something out which can help these difficulties. It would be nice if for once Google was proactive in its accessibility testing rather than reacting to the problems which so called updates create. David Griffith On 31/01/2015 16:17, Travis Siegel wrote: Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser code most osx browsers use to render their content). When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just fine. Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to use tables instead. This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more navigational commands to get through the pages. Needless to say, I wasn't happy. Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck until I can obtain a newer mac. Perhaps your issues are similarly related. On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is different now? On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser code most osx browsers use to render their content). When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just fine. Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to use tables instead. This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more navigational commands to get through the pages. Needless to say, I wasn't happy. Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck until I can obtain a newer mac. Perhaps your issues are similarly related. On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is different now? On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
Webkit as I understand it unlrunderlies Safari code and not Chrome, though I would be happy to be corrected. I don't quite understand why people are not seeing the obvious problem with the latest Google Chrome as it is pretty clear it has been badly broken since the last update, and is unusable with Voiceover now using default dom view. . Basically for example if you go to www.bbc.co.uk/news you will now find it is impossible to read any news content with Voiceover using dom view. You can only read element like headings etc. by tedious pressing of the tab button with no ability to read any actual news content. If you turn Chrome Vox on then the news content does become readable with that alternative screen reader but the previous accessibility which used to be possible with Voiceover has been broken. There is a sort of workaround if you are comfortable switching to Groups rather than dom mode of web navigation. Mysteriously then some text of web pages does become accessible to Voiceover but groups mode is not the most intuitive of interfaces. Hopefully either accessibil...@apple.com and/or accessibil...@google.com can sort something out which can help these difficulties. It would be nice if for once Google was proactive in its accessibility testing rather than reacting to the problems which so called updates create. David Griffith On 31/01/2015 16:17, Travis Siegel wrote: Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser code most osx browsers use to render their content). When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just fine. Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to use tables instead. This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more navigational commands to get through the pages. Needless to say, I wasn't happy. Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck until I can obtain a newer mac. Perhaps your issues are similarly related. On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is different now? On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
It uses chromium which is a fork of WebKit Sent from my iPhone On 31 Jan 2015, at 17:19, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote: Webkit as I understand it unlrunderlies Safari code and not Chrome, though I would be happy to be corrected. I don't quite understand why people are not seeing the obvious problem with the latest Google Chrome as it is pretty clear it has been badly broken since the last update, and is unusable with Voiceover now using default dom view. . Basically for example if you go to www.bbc.co.uk/news you will now find it is impossible to read any news content with Voiceover using dom view. You can only read element like headings etc. by tedious pressing of the tab button with no ability to read any actual news content. If you turn Chrome Vox on then the news content does become readable with that alternative screen reader but the previous accessibility which used to be possible with Voiceover has been broken. There is a sort of workaround if you are comfortable switching to Groups rather than dom mode of web navigation. Mysteriously then some text of web pages does become accessible to Voiceover but groups mode is not the most intuitive of interfaces. Hopefully either accessibil...@apple.com and/or accessibil...@google.com can sort something out which can help these difficulties. It would be nice if for once Google was proactive in its accessibility testing rather than reacting to the problems which so called updates create. David Griffith On 31/01/2015 16:17, Travis Siegel wrote: Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser code most osx browsers use to render their content). When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just fine. Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to use tables instead. This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more navigational commands to get through the pages. Needless to say, I wasn't happy. Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck until I can obtain a newer mac. Perhaps your issues are similarly related. On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is different now? On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
Thank you for providing an example website, David. My testing of the page you linked mirrored what I’ve been seeing on most other websites: The latest versions of both Chrome Stable and Chrome Canary work fine with VoiceOver under Mavericks 10.9.5, but those same versions of CHrome have a number of VoiceOver issues under all versions of Yosemite. This is one of several reasons why I have not yet upgraded my production Macs to Yosemite. Systems tested: 2013 Macbook Air 11 2008 Macbook OS X 10.9.5 OS X 10.10.2 Chrome Stable version 40.0.2214.94 Chrome Canary version 42.0.2292.0 -Bryan On Jan 31, 2015, at 12:19 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote: I don't quite understand why people are not seeing the obvious problem with the latest Google Chrome as it is pretty clear it has been badly broken since the last update, and is unusable with Voiceover now using default dom view. . Basically for example if you go to www.bbc.co.uk/news you will now find it is impossible to read any news content with Voiceover using dom view. You can only read element like headings etc. by tedious pressing of the tab button with no ability to read any actual news content. If you turn Chrome Vox on then the news content does become readable with that alternative screen reader but the previous accessibility which used to be possible with Voiceover has been broken. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
Yes, I am seeing the same behavior under Yosemite with most sites. This is especially frustrating because I wanted to use Chrome with Spotify since it doesn't seem to work with Safari. On Jan 31, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote: Thank you for providing an example website, David. My testing of the page you linked mirrored what I’ve been seeing on most other websites: The latest versions of both Chrome Stable and Chrome Canary work fine with VoiceOver under Mavericks 10.9.5, but those same versions of CHrome have a number of VoiceOver issues under all versions of Yosemite. This is one of several reasons why I have not yet upgraded my production Macs to Yosemite. Systems tested: 2013 Macbook Air 11 2008 Macbook OS X 10.9.5 OS X 10.10.2 Chrome Stable version 40.0.2214.94 Chrome Canary version 42.0.2292.0 -Bryan On Jan 31, 2015, at 12:19 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote: I don't quite understand why people are not seeing the obvious problem with the latest Google Chrome as it is pretty clear it has been badly broken since the last update, and is unusable with Voiceover now using default dom view. . Basically for example if you go to www.bbc.co.uk/news you will now find it is impossible to read any news content with Voiceover using dom view. You can only read element like headings etc. by tedious pressing of the tab button with no ability to read any actual news content. If you turn Chrome Vox on then the news content does become readable with that alternative screen reader but the previous accessibility which used to be possible with Voiceover has been broken. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
This is why I don’t like the VO approach to web pages. All other approaches treat the page as a document. Thus you just need to use your arrow keys to navigate and not interact with frames, tables, etc. Simple pages in safari work fine. It becomes real difficult when you have a complex pages. Sean On 1 Feb 2015, at 3:17 am, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote: Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser code most osx browsers use to render their content). When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just fine. Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to use tables instead. This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more navigational commands to get through the pages. Needless to say, I wasn't happy. Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck until I can obtain a newer mac. Perhaps your issues are similarly related. On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is different now? On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
Safari now allows you to navigate web pages using standalone arrow keys. Just turn QuickNav off and check it out. On 1 Feb 2015, at 02:45, Sean Murphy smur7...@bigpond.net.au wrote: This is why I don’t like the VO approach to web pages. All other approaches treat the page as a document. Thus you just need to use your arrow keys to navigate and not interact with frames, tables, etc. Simple pages in safari work fine. It becomes real difficult when you have a complex pages. Sean On 1 Feb 2015, at 3:17 am, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote: Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser code most osx browsers use to render their content). When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just fine. Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to use tables instead. This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more navigational commands to get through the pages. Needless to say, I wasn't happy. Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck until I can obtain a newer mac. Perhaps your issues are similarly related. On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is different now? On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
Are you running Yosemite? You can now use your arrows on webpages. -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2015 1:45 PM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome This is why I don't like the VO approach to web pages. All other approaches treat the page as a document. Thus you just need to use your arrow keys to navigate and not interact with frames, tables, etc. Simple pages in safari work fine. It becomes real difficult when you have a complex pages. Sean On 1 Feb 2015, at 3:17 am, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote: Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser code most osx browsers use to render their content). When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just fine. Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to use tables instead. This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more navigational commands to get through the pages. Needless to say, I wasn't happy. Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck until I can obtain a newer mac. Perhaps your issues are similarly related. On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are experiencing these collapsed things, and maybe describe the differences between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is different now? On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive
[Mac-access]: Google Chrome
Hi there. Does anyone have any tips using google chrome with usenity and VO? Thanks. Lovette --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. Lovette On Jan 29, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote: Is there anything in particular you are wondering about? In my limited testing of the latest version of Chrome under Yosemite 10.10.2, I’ve been able to use the standard VO web navigation commands to move through pages just as I would when navigating in Safari. There are, however, at least two notable bugs as listed in Google ticket 439695. The first bug is that the web rotor as accessed with the VO+U keystroke is completely non-functional. The second issue is that the standard VO+Shift+Down Arrow keystroke fails to interact with the HTML content. The simple workaround for this one is to use the tab key to move VO focus into the web content. Note that neither of these bugs exists when running the same version of Chrome under Mavericks. HTH, Bryan On Jan 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: Does anyone have any tips using google chrome with usenity and VO? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
Is there anything in particular you are wondering about? In my limited testing of the latest version of Chrome under Yosemite 10.10.2, I’ve been able to use the standard VO web navigation commands to move through pages just as I would when navigating in Safari. There are, however, at least two notable bugs as listed in Google ticket 439695. The first bug is that the web rotor as accessed with the VO+U keystroke is completely non-functional. The second issue is that the standard VO+Shift+Down Arrow keystroke fails to interact with the HTML content. The simple workaround for this one is to use the tab key to move VO focus into the web content. Note that neither of these bugs exists when running the same version of Chrome under Mavericks. HTH, Bryan On Jan 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: Does anyone have any tips using google chrome with usenity and VO? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is different now? On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
It is on all web pages. I used to be able to tab and/or vo left or right arrow to go through the page and read more than the links. I could interact with areas but now I get very little info at a time. Maybe a line or two at the most.On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:46 PM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote: Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is different now? On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
It's a known ARIA bug in the latest build. Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jan 2015, at 05:09, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: It is on all web pages. I used to be able to tab and/or vo left or right arrow to go through the page and read more than the links. I could interact with areas but now I get very little info at a time. Maybe a line or two at the most.On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:46 PM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote: Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is different now? On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
