Re: Apple and Windows
HI Niam I have only one word of advice, if you need to carry on using Microsoft Office, you'll need to run Windows. Otherwise, you can go all mac all the time. There are other office suites that work with the Mac, but I'm talking about professional MS Office use that is business critical. Oh I wouldn't worry about people telling you VO is a very different type of screen reader, it isn't really. I've used probably a dozen or more in my life and believe me, it's just the same as all the rest - other than the fact it is better designed, works more effectivly and is free that is! Good luck. Jonathan On 31/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello Niamh First of all, my sincere condolences regarding losing your vision. As somebody who has sight but is married to a blind man I can see both perspectives. I take a deliberate interest in all things accessibility; and I wanted to offer you some encouragement. Please, firstly, discard the horror stories. You will find that, if done correctly, the transition to the Mac can be a painless, even pleasurable and thrilling experience. I would also point out that, in order to use Fusion as some have suggested, you will first need to use VoiceOver. Otherwise you can't possibly navigate around Fusion to configure and start up your machine. The other alternative is Boot Camp; Apple's free boot manager. But that doesn't allow you to use both operating systems at the same time; and it's wasteful in my humble opinion. My strong advice is to please make use of this resource; we are here and happy, no; more than happy to help you. We are thrilled each time we help a new user bridge the divide and convert to Mac. And you know, once you get over the initial problem of dumping preconceptions, it really doesn't have to be that difficult. My best advice is to not let the negatives out there; and there are many of them who have those negatives often for reasons of self-interest, put you off the Mac. Believe me; it is a pleasure to use an operating system which isn't prone to the horror show that is the Registry and its associated problems. First off though; if you want to read about Fusion, you can find it here: http://www.vmware.com/fusion/ There is another alternative which is called Parallels Desktop: http://www.parallels.com but the main problem here is that the configuration is not accessible in the slightest. However, my own tests are showing that still, Parallels Desktop version 7 is noticeably faster and more hardware efficient than is VMWare Fusion 4. Once configured it could also be simpler for you to deal with; as nobody has pointed this out to you, I will do so. An easy way to launch either Parallels or Fusion is to simply create an alias pointing to your virtual machine. If you don't know how to create an alias, don't worry about that for the moment. But once you have your alias, you can have it set to load at log-in if you desire so that, in effect, you don't even need VoiceOver turned on to launch it. But that's for a later discussion. Let me conclude by just encouraging you again to give the Mac a go, and to use this list for all its worth. I'm one of the co-owners of the list and I hereby give you permission to ask as many Mac-related questions as you wish. If anybody ticks you off for asking silly questions, I will fly over there and personally make sure that they are very sorry. (Just joking). But you get the point. The configuration of Windows itself once installed is off topic for this group; but I along with many others on list would be more than happy I am sure to help you with that. Feel free to join our sister group Techno-Chat if you so wish, where Windows is up for discussion as much as you like. Once again; please don't be shy of asking questions. Lynne On 30 Oct 2011, at 22:58, Niamh wrote: Hi James, Nothing cold waterish about your points. I think I am hoping to cross over eventually. My problem is I only lost my vision 4 years ago, and struggled to conquer Jaws and PC. I think it is a worry blanket, you know the fear of starting again. It is odd to say this, but shopping for apple products just made me feel better about myself, I am not sure whether to call it normal or just especial. Also at work everything is going Apple. Just a bit confused. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please
Assistive Accessibility Web Content; [Was Apple And Windows]
Hello Jonathan I disagree with one of your comments and, if I may, I'll explain why. But naturally this disagreement is merely in the form of constructive and friendly discussion. I value your views highly as I do with every single other member of this group. On 31 Oct 2011, at 18:55, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: • Oh I wouldn't worry about people telling you VO is a very different type of screen reader, it isn't really. I've used probably a dozen or more in my life and believe me, it's just the same as all the rest - other than the fact it is better designed, works more effectivly and is free that is! That's the part I disagree with. VO, in respect of web browsing in particular, is nothing whatsoever like the rest. In fact, it's very different. I know that in JFW there's supposedly a WYSIWYG interface; but natively VoiceOver is the only one I have ever seen that's totally that way. To the best of my knowledge, there isn't another screen-reader on Mss platform that conforms to the object-orientated standards to which VoiceOver does. Web content looks astonishingly different under OSX to how I have ever seen it under Windows with an accessibility tool installed. I don't want to get into the Windows discussion here, and I ask people please not to do so. But VO shows the visually impaired user an almost true representation of web content the way that we who are so fortunate enough to have vision would see it also. Just one observation for whatever it may be worth. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Apple and Windows
Want to make the jump from windows to apple. Is it safe to run windows on an Imac? Have heard horror stories from people who did it in the past. Also which programmes will I need? Niamh --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple and Windows
I use windows on my apple perfectly. You need a mac and windows and vm fusion or something similar. On Oct 30, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Niamh wrote: Want to make the jump from windows to apple. Is it safe to run windows on an Imac? Have heard horror stories from people who did it in the past. Also which programmes will I need? Niamh --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple and Windows
Hi Niamh First off, welcome to the list. Please don't think that I'm trying to throw cold wanter on your desire to jump to the Mac. The only word of caution I would give you is that you'll need to think differently about Voice Over. It is a very different solution than other offerings. Also, I'm curious to know how you'll make the jump if you continue to use Windows on your Mac? Do you eventually intend to move to Mac for everything? TC :) J On 30 Oct 2011, at 22:17, michael maslo wrote: I use windows on my apple perfectly. You need a mac and windows and vm fusion or something similar. On Oct 30, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Niamh wrote: Want to make the jump from windows to apple. Is it safe to run windows on an Imac? Have heard horror stories from people who did it in the past. Also which programmes will I need? Niamh --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple and Windows
thanks Michael good tip. - Original Message - From: Michael maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:17 PM Subject: Re: Apple and Windows I use windows on my apple perfectly. You need a mac and windows and vm fusion or something similar. On Oct 30, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Niamh wrote: Want to make the jump from windows to apple. Is it safe to run windows on an Imac? Have heard horror stories from people who did it in the past. Also which programmes will I need? Niamh --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple and Windows
Hi James, Nothing cold waterish about your points. I think I am hoping to cross over eventually. My problem is I only lost my vision 4 years ago, and struggled to conquer Jaws and PC. I think it is a worry blanket, you know the fear of starting again. It is odd to say this, but shopping for apple products just made me feel better about myself, I am not sure whether to call it normal or just especial. Also at work everything is going Apple. Just a bit confused. Thanks again to you and Michael this list is wonderful. Niamh - Original Message - From: James AUSTIN james.aus...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:48 PM Subject: Re: Apple and Windows Hi Niamh First off, welcome to the list. Please don't think that I'm trying to throw cold wanter on your desire to jump to the Mac. The only word of caution I would give you is that you'll need to think differently about Voice Over. It is a very different solution than other offerings. Also, I'm curious to know how you'll make the jump if you continue to use Windows on your Mac? Do you eventually intend to move to Mac for everything? TC :) J On 30 Oct 2011, at 22:17, Michael maslo wrote: I use windows on my apple perfectly. You need a mac and windows and vm fusion or something similar. On Oct 30, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Niamh wrote: Want to make the jump from windows to apple. Is it safe to run windows on an Imac? Have heard horror stories from people who did it in the past. Also which programmes will I need? Niamh --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple and Windows
I made the conversation from windows to the mac. It is a curve of learning but the only thing I do on my windows system is mudding. I have a lot more to learn but I love a mac. If you flip to a mac understand and be patient with learning it. On Oct 30, 2011, at 5:48 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: Hi Niamh First off, welcome to the list. Please don't think that I'm trying to throw cold wanter on your desire to jump to the Mac. The only word of caution I would give you is that you'll need to think differently about Voice Over. It is a very different solution than other offerings. Also, I'm curious to know how you'll make the jump if you continue to use Windows on your Mac? Do you eventually intend to move to Mac for everything? TC :) J On 30 Oct 2011, at 22:17, michael maslo wrote: I use windows on my apple perfectly. You need a mac and windows and vm fusion or something similar. On Oct 30, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Niamh wrote: Want to make the jump from windows to apple. Is it safe to run windows on an Imac? Have heard horror stories from people who did it in the past. Also which programmes will I need? Niamh --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple and Windows
Hello Niamh First of all, my sincere condolences regarding losing your vision. As somebody who has sight but is married to a blind man I can see both perspectives. I take a deliberate interest in all things accessibility; and I wanted to offer you some encouragement. Please, firstly, discard the horror stories. You will find that, if done correctly, the transition to the Mac can be a painless, even pleasurable and thrilling experience. I would also point out that, in order to use Fusion as some have suggested, you will first need to use VoiceOver. Otherwise you can't possibly navigate around Fusion to configure and start up your machine. The other alternative is Boot Camp; Apple's free boot manager. But that doesn't allow you to use both operating systems at the same time; and it's wasteful in my humble opinion. My strong advice is to please make use of this resource; we are here and happy, no; more than happy to help you. We are thrilled each time we help a new user bridge the divide and convert to Mac. And you know, once you get over the initial problem of dumping preconceptions, it really doesn't have to be that difficult. My best advice is to not let the negatives out there; and there are many of them who have those negatives often for reasons of self-interest, put you off the Mac. Believe me; it is a pleasure to use an operating system which isn't prone to the horror show that is the Registry and its associated problems. First off though; if you want to read about Fusion, you can find it here: http://www.vmware.com/fusion/ There is another alternative which is called Parallels Desktop: http://www.parallels.com but the main problem here is that the configuration is not accessible in the slightest. However, my own tests are showing that still, Parallels Desktop version 7 is noticeably faster and more hardware efficient than is VMWare Fusion 4. Once configured it could also be simpler for you to deal with; as nobody has pointed this out to you, I will do so. An easy way to launch either Parallels or Fusion is to simply create an alias pointing to your virtual machine. If you don't know how to create an alias, don't worry about that for the moment. But once you have your alias, you can have it set to load at log-in if you desire so that, in effect, you don't even need VoiceOver turned on to launch it. But that's for a later discussion. Let me conclude by just encouraging you again to give the Mac a go, and to use this list for all its worth. I'm one of the co-owners of the list and I hereby give you permission to ask as many Mac-related questions as you wish. If anybody ticks you off for asking silly questions, I will fly over there and personally make sure that they are very sorry. (Just joking). But you get the point. The configuration of Windows itself once installed is off topic for this group; but I along with many others on list would be more than happy I am sure to help you with that. Feel free to join our sister group Techno-Chat if you so wish, where Windows is up for discussion as much as you like. Once again; please don't be shy of asking questions. Lynne On 30 Oct 2011, at 22:58, Niamh wrote: Hi James, Nothing cold waterish about your points. I think I am hoping to cross over eventually. My problem is I only lost my vision 4 years ago, and struggled to conquer Jaws and PC. I think it is a worry blanket, you know the fear of starting again. It is odd to say this, but shopping for apple products just made me feel better about myself, I am not sure whether to call it normal or just especial. Also at work everything is going Apple. Just a bit confused. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
