Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[chris]

So there is! It is under Mavericks as well. The button is actually called 
assign commands button. Another awesome discovery I made with VoiceOver today!
Regards Chris
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On 17 Mar 2014, at 12:56, Red.Falcon  wrote:

> Ok Sorry Chris I'm not sure what OS your running but On mine running Mountain 
> Kitty there is a button but it is to see what keys are active and if needed a 
> option to add new ones!
> 
> And Eleanor!
> There is need to do anything unless one of the keys are not doing what it is 
> supposed too!
> But a good way to see the options without messing with the key settings is to 
> open VO+HH and arrow down to Quick Nav and go into that menu and all the keys 
> are listed and what they do!
> HTH Colin
> On 17 Mar 2014, at 12:32, Chris Apple boy  wrote:
> 
>> There's no button anywhere in this window. You should however be able to 
>> start keyboard help with vo-k from within a web page. To stop keyboard help 
>> press escape.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>> 
>> On 17/03/2014 11:00, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>>> Hi Colin, I checked the below and single character is checked.  Is there
>>> anything I need to do with the button?
>>> 
>>> Eleanor
>>> - Original Message ----- From: "Red.Falcon"
>>> 
>>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> Also to help you can turn on single key navigation!
>>>> And lots of keys do things like H, for headings and 1,2, 3 through to
>>>> 6 will move through heading levels 1 to 6!
>>>> If that is useful to you!
>>>> Hi!
>>>> OK 1, open Voice over utility VO+f8.
>>>> 2, then press command+8 to take you to commanders.
>>>> 3 Arrow across to quickNav tab and select it.
>>>> 4, There you will find the check box to start single key navigation
>>>> and a button to show info about what key does what!
>>>> HTH Colin.
>>>> On 17 Mar 2014, at 08:40, Chris Apple boy 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
>>>>> name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
>>>>> use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
>>>>> words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
>>>>> so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
>>>>> it one handed thanks to quicknav.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards Chris
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Eleanor Burke]

Great Colin, much appreciate that.  Like you I have a button there but will 
leave alone and take other advice given re exploring what the commands do 
with vo hh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Red.Falcon" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


Ok Sorry Chris I'm not sure what OS your running but On mine running 
Mountain Kitty there is a button but it is to see what keys are active and 
if needed a option to add new ones!


And Eleanor!
There is need to do anything unless one of the keys are not doing what it 
is supposed too!
But a good way to see the options without messing with the key settings is 
to open VO+HH and arrow down to Quick Nav and go into that menu and all 
the keys are listed and what they do!

HTH Colin
On 17 Mar 2014, at 12:32, Chris Apple boy  
wrote:


There's no button anywhere in this window. You should however be able to 
start keyboard help with vo-k from within a web page. To stop keyboard 
help press escape.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 17/03/2014 11:00, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi Colin, I checked the below and single character is checked.  Is there
anything I need to do with the button?

Eleanor
- Original Message - From: "Red.Falcon"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Hi!
Also to help you can turn on single key navigation!
And lots of keys do things like H, for headings and 1,2, 3 through to
6 will move through heading levels 1 to 6!
If that is useful to you!
Hi!
OK 1, open Voice over utility VO+f8.
2, then press command+8 to take you to commanders.
3 Arrow across to quickNav tab and select it.
4, There you will find the check box to start single key navigation
and a button to show info about what key does what!
HTH Colin.
On 17 Mar 2014, at 08:40, Chris Apple boy 
wrote:


I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
it one handed thanks to quicknav.

Regards Chris


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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Eleanor Burke]

Excellent thanks Chris.
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Apple boy" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


To use the rotor press up-left arrows or up-right arrows together until it 
says words or characters. To navigate simply use the up or down arrow 
keys, not together but individually.


Regards Chris

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On 17/03/2014 11:03, Eleanor Burke wrote:

How do I use quick nav for words and characters?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
it one handed thanks to quicknav.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 23:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages
where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see
what I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web
elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in
VoiceOver Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:

OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can
only get
to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial 
and

error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I
open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the
voice
over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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RE: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[David Griffith]

You don't turn quick nav off for that.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 17 March 2014 11:04
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

How do I use quick nav for words and characters?
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Apple boy" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


> I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the name. I

> also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can use the 
> VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by words or 
> characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just so awesome 
> and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use it one handed 
> thanks to quicknav.
>
> Regards Chris
>
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>
> On 16/03/2014 23:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>> Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
>> - Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"
>> 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys
>>
>>
>>> You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages
>>> where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see
>>> what I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web
>>> elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in
>>> VoiceOver Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.
>>>
>>> Regards Chris
>>>
>>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>>>
>>> On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>>>> OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
>>>> are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only 
>>>> get
>>>> to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
>>>> error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"
>>>> 
>>>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
>>>>> them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
>>>>> To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
>>>>> left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I
>>>>>> open my
>>>>>> Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the 
>>>>>> voice
>>>>>> over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
>>>>>> where it requires both hands?
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Red.Falcon]

Ok Sorry Chris I'm not sure what OS your running but On mine running Mountain 
Kitty there is a button but it is to see what keys are active and if needed a 
option to add new ones!

And Eleanor!
There is need to do anything unless one of the keys are not doing what it is 
supposed too!
But a good way to see the options without messing with the key settings is to 
open VO+HH and arrow down to Quick Nav and go into that menu and all the keys 
are listed and what they do!
HTH Colin
On 17 Mar 2014, at 12:32, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> There's no button anywhere in this window. You should however be able to 
> start keyboard help with vo-k from within a web page. To stop keyboard help 
> press escape.
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
> 
> On 17/03/2014 11:00, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>> Hi Colin, I checked the below and single character is checked.  Is there
>> anything I need to do with the button?
>> 
>> Eleanor
>> - Original Message - From: "Red.Falcon"
>> 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Also to help you can turn on single key navigation!
>>> And lots of keys do things like H, for headings and 1,2, 3 through to
>>> 6 will move through heading levels 1 to 6!
>>> If that is useful to you!
>>> Hi!
>>> OK 1, open Voice over utility VO+f8.
>>> 2, then press command+8 to take you to commanders.
>>> 3 Arrow across to quickNav tab and select it.
>>> 4, There you will find the check box to start single key navigation
>>> and a button to show info about what key does what!
>>> HTH Colin.
>>> On 17 Mar 2014, at 08:40, Chris Apple boy 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
>>>> name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
>>>> use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
>>>> words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
>>>> so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
>>>> it one handed thanks to quicknav.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards Chris
>>> 
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Chris Apple boy]

There's no button anywhere in this window. You should however be able to 
start keyboard help with vo-k from within a web page. To stop keyboard 
help press escape.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 17/03/2014 11:00, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi Colin, I checked the below and single character is checked.  Is there
anything I need to do with the button?

Eleanor
- Original Message - From: "Red.Falcon"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Hi!
Also to help you can turn on single key navigation!
And lots of keys do things like H, for headings and 1,2, 3 through to
6 will move through heading levels 1 to 6!
If that is useful to you!
Hi!
OK 1, open Voice over utility VO+f8.
2, then press command+8 to take you to commanders.
3 Arrow across to quickNav tab and select it.
4, There you will find the check box to start single key navigation
and a button to show info about what key does what!
HTH Colin.
On 17 Mar 2014, at 08:40, Chris Apple boy 
wrote:


I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
it one handed thanks to quicknav.

Regards Chris


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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Chris Apple boy]

To use the rotor press up-left arrows or up-right arrows together until 
it says words or characters. To navigate simply use the up or down arrow 
keys, not together but individually.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 17/03/2014 11:03, Eleanor Burke wrote:

How do I use quick nav for words and characters?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
it one handed thanks to quicknav.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 23:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages
where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see
what I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web
elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in
VoiceOver Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.

Regards Chris

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On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:

OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can
only get
to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I
open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the
voice
over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Eleanor Burke]

How do I use quick nav for words and characters?
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Apple boy" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the name. I 
also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can use the 
VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by words or 
characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just so awesome 
and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use it one handed 
thanks to quicknav.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 23:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages
where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see
what I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web
elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in
VoiceOver Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:

OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only 
get

to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I
open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the 
voice

over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Eleanor Burke]

Hi Colin, I checked the below and single character is checked.  Is there 
anything I need to do with the button?


Eleanor
- Original Message - 
From: "Red.Falcon" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Hi!
Also to help you can turn on single key navigation!
And lots of keys do things like H, for headings and 1,2, 3 through to 6 
will move through heading levels 1 to 6!

If that is useful to you!
Hi!
OK 1, open Voice over utility VO+f8.
2, then press command+8 to take you to commanders.
3 Arrow across to quickNav tab and select it.
4, There you will find the check box to start single key navigation and a 
button to show info about what key does what!

HTH Colin.
On 17 Mar 2014, at 08:40, Chris Apple boy  
wrote:


I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the name. 
I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can use the 
VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by words or 
characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just so awesome 
and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use it one handed 
thanks to quicknav.


Regards Chris


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RE: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[David Griffith]

That is it precisely.
Remember also that you can interact with quick nav down and right arrow.
Un interact  down and left arrow.
Up and down arrow together is the same as vo space.

However The voiceover  lock keys are useful if you are also using lots of
other voiceover  commands in a sequence of tasks as well as navigation.  For
example a powerful feature of Voiceover is its ability to copy not just text
but any content spoken through Voiceover . you may repeatedly want to use VO
C to copy last phrase spoken to clipboard.  This becomes simply shift C.
Also it helps if you are doing lots of virtual mouse clicks then you can use
shift spacebar rather than shift vo spacebar.   However for straightforward
navigation purposes Quick Nav is far simpler and far more powerful on the
web.

David Griffith 


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 16 March 2014 23:33
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Apple boy" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


> You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages 
> where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see what I 
> mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web elements 
> but these are off by default but can be turned on in VoiceOver Utility, 
> commanders, quicknav tab.
>
> Regards Chris
>
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>
> On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>> OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
>> are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only get
>> to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
>> error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
>> - Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"
>> 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys
>>
>>
>>> Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
>>> them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
>>> To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
>>> left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.
>>>
>>> Regards Chris
>>>
>>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>>>
>>> On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>>>> Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I open 
>>>> my
>>>> Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the voice
>>>> over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
>>>> where it requires both hands?
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Red.Falcon]

Hi!
Also to help you can turn on single key navigation!
And lots of keys do things like H, for headings and 1,2, 3 through to 6 will 
move through heading levels 1 to 6!
If that is useful to you!
Hi!
OK 1, open Voice over utility VO+f8.
2, then press command+8 to take you to commanders.
3 Arrow across to quickNav tab and select it.
4, There you will find the check box to start single key navigation and a 
button to show info about what key does what!
HTH Colin.
On 17 Mar 2014, at 08:40, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the name. I 
> also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can use the VoiceOver 
> rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by words or characters even 
> if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just so awesome and makes using the 
> mac overall a breeze as I can just use it one handed thanks to quicknav.
> 
> Regards Chris

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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Chris Apple boy]

I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the name. 
I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can use the 
VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by words or 
characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just so awesome 
and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use it one handed 
thanks to quicknav.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 23:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages
where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see
what I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web
elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in
VoiceOver Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:

OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only get
to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I
open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the voice
over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Eleanor Burke]

Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Apple boy" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages 
where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see what I 
mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web elements 
but these are off by default but can be turned on in VoiceOver Utility, 
commanders, quicknav tab.


Regards Chris

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On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:

OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only get
to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:
Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I open 
my

Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the voice
over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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RE: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[David Griffith]

Use quick nav whenever you would normally be using the VO Cursor keys or
interacting etc. Also use it on the web.

Turn it off whenever you need to type text at the keyboard.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 16 March 2014 20:30
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but are 
you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only get to know

when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and error or can 
you give me a rule of thumb about it?
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Apple boy" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


> Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock them.

> Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know. To save 
> even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with left-right. 
> You then just use arrow keys for navigation.
>
> Regards Chris
>
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> On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>> Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I open my
>> Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the voice
>> over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
>> where it requires both hands?
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Chris Apple boy]

You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages 
where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see what 
I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web 
elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in VoiceOver 
Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.


Regards Chris

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On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:

OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only get
to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the voice
over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Eleanor Burke]

OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but are 
you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only get to know 
when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and error or can 
you give me a rule of thumb about it?
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Apple boy" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock them. 
Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know. To save 
even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with left-right. 
You then just use arrow keys for navigation.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the voice
over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Chris Apple boy]

Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock 
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know. To 
save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with 
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the voice
over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Eleanor Burke]

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I open my Mac 
and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the voice over keys 
when I want to do a command like interacting with a table where it requires 
both hands? 


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