Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Gordon Smith]

It does sound like it Eric.  But I'm assuming you have the standard 
configuration Mac Mini?

On 19 Jul 2012, at 14:10, Eric Caron  wrote:

for several days now my mini has been working very well and fast.  But suddenly 
in the finder only, things have gone wrong.  the Finder is constantly busy and 
I move in it like walking in quicksand.  yet other appps load and run very fast 
and normally.  turning off the mini or restarting Finder doesn't help.  I also 
tried holding down "P,R, command, and Option" at start up and that did not 
clear things.

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Re: Toggling Bluetooth Assistant [Was: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question]

[Gordon Smith]

This exactly describes what I was referring too.

Gordon

On 17 Jul 2012, at 22:45, Bryan Jones  wrote:

I'm not sure if this is what Gordon's referring to, but here are some 
instructions to togggle various bluetooth setup assistant options and also to 
manually run the BT setup assistant if desired. Note that this is from my MBA 
running Lion client, not server, so YMMV.

Go to System Preferences / Bluetooth / Advanced:
Here you will find checkboxes to toggle the following behaviors:
1. Open Bluetooth setup assistant at startup if no keyboard is detected.
2. Open Bluetooth setup assistant at startup if no mouse or trackpad is 
detected.

To manually launch the Bluetooth setup assistant, pull down the Bluetooth 
status menu, select "Turn Bluetooth On" if it isn't already on, and then select 
"Setup Bluetooth Device." This will open the Bluetooth setup assistant designed 
to walk you through pairing BT devices with your Mac.

If the Bluetooth icon is not in your status menu, get it there by going to 
System Prefs / Bluetooth, and ticking the box labeled "Show Bluetooth status in 
the menu bar."

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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Jim

Yes, that's correct.  I believe it is next to the Network option.

Gordon

On 17 Jul 2012, at 18:08, Jim Noseworthy  
wrote:

Hi:

Is the Blue Tooth assistant option found in system preferences?  I can't
recall seeing that one.

Cheers.


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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:25 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

Hi Jim

I'm still at a loss as to why you're having these problems, but we are not.
We've never had the slightest problem in this area with our server machines
and as I told you we have 9 of them in total.  Only 1 has, and has ever had,
a monitor connected to it.  The other 8 just got set up by me and are
largely left to their own devices, pardon the pun.

I asked about the video adapter because I'm wondering whether it's a
different model to ours.  To tell you the truth, Jim, Apple has really
stuffed up their Server implementation big time as of the release of Lion.
It used to be the case that the regular and server operating systems were
two different beasts and one could quite happily run either as long as one
had a unique serial number for the copy of Server.  In Snow Leopard, Server
was far more like a UNIX server than it is under Lion and later.  Really,
the questions are being asked as far as we are concerned but we are
committed to Apple, having invested so much money in their platforms.

>From the small office Intranet perspective, the server that Apple now
produces is probably a joy to use.  It's simple, easy(isn) to set up and
maintain.  But Apple has seemingly kicked its enterprise customers into
touch now, and I am amongst a growing number of people who are becoming very
disillusioned and disappointed with what Apple has done to its server.

Anyway, to get back to your specific problem which I think Diane has as
well.  This is going to sound really crazy, but I'm wondering whether there
could be differences in the hardware distributed to each region.  All of the
UK models of Mac Mini I've ever used, including a mid 2009 client machine
which we have here, has no difficulty in functioning with VO without a
monitor of any kind, powered up or otherwise.  But one thing I did notice
was that if the Blue Tooth assistant was enables, VoiceOver did become
sluggish as you describe.  But once that is turned off it worked fine.  Have
you checked that?

I really am clutching at straws here Jim, I cannot think of anything else.

We'll keep trying though and hopefully something positive will crop up.

Gordon

On 17 Jul 2012, at 14:38, Jim Noseworthy
 wrote:

Gordon:

I've tried plugging in the HDMI/DVI adapter however there was no change.
When i connected even an unplugged monitor, the problems went away.  

When i installed the memory, I remember checking the specs at the time just
to be sure what I was doing.

I've run the unit with and without the server app running.

Not sure of the Video adapter though as I am not home. 

Actually, one of the main reasons why i purchased the Mini was the fact that
one could just throw the unit along with a keyboard in a kit bag and carry
on.  It's not working out that way.

Cheers.




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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:27 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

Hi Jim

On 17 Jul 2012, at 12:57, Jim Noseworthy
 wrote:

I purchased the unit pre-configured.  I did, however remove the 4 GBs of ram
and installed 8 GB. The server is a twin HD machine.

Right!  Apple is doing a lot of funny things with hardware verification
nowadays.  If you buy something non-Apple, there is a possibility that
you'll get problems.  However, we ourselves bought memory from Crucial as I
refuse to pay Apple's inflated prices.  But you do have to be very very
careful that you install the exact right DIM modules or the machine will
sulk.

For the record though, this computer is not being utalized as a server; I
just liked that particular configuration.

yes, I understand that.  All the same, you shouldn't be getting those
monitor problems, we are not.  We have a stack of 9 Mac Minis, 8 of which
are mid/late 2011 models, plus one mid 2009 model.  Not a single one of them
complains about no monitor being connected.

So, which video adapter does your particular machine have?  Which OS is it
running, I would assume Lion?  Have you actually ran the Server.app or
should I say did you go through the server setup when you first installed
it?  I think there are ways of avoiding that, but I'd have to check.

I admit I'm intrigued by your problem because, as I say, all of our mid/late
2011 models work perfectly with no monitor.

Have you

Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Eric Caron]

Gordon and other mini users,

On Jul 17, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Jim
> 
> I'm still at a loss as to why you're having these problems, but we are not.  
> We've never had the slightest problem in this area with our server machines 
> and as I told you we have 9 of them in total.  Only 1 has, and has ever had, 
> a monitor connected to it.  The other 8 just got set up by me and are largely 
> left to their own devices, pardon the pun.

for several days now my mini has been working very well and fast.  But suddenly 
in the finder only, things have gone wrong.  the Finder is constantly busy and 
I move in it like walking in quicksand.  yet other appps load and run very fast 
and normally.  turning off the mini or restarting Finder doesn't help.  I also 
tried holding down "P,R, command, and Option" at start up and that did not 
clear things.

Can someone suggest ways I can get my finder back?

is this the dreaded no screen issue in full effect?  I thought that slowed down 
Safari and other apps not just the Finder.


Eric Caron 

> Well the server 



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Toggling Bluetooth Assistant [Was: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question]

[Bryan Jones]

I'm not sure if this is what Gordon's referring to, but here are some 
instructions to togggle various bluetooth setup assistant options and also to 
manually run the BT setup assistant if desired. Note that this is from my MBA 
running Lion client, not server, so YMMV.

Go to System Preferences / Bluetooth / Advanced:
Here you will find checkboxes to toggle the following behaviors:
1. Open Bluetooth setup assistant at startup if no keyboard is detected.
2. Open Bluetooth setup assistant at startup if no mouse or trackpad is 
detected.

To manually launch the Bluetooth setup assistant, pull down the Bluetooth 
status menu, select "Turn Bluetooth On" if it isn't already on, and then select 
"Setup Bluetooth Device." This will open the Bluetooth setup assistant designed 
to walk you through pairing BT devices with your Mac.

If the Bluetooth icon is not in your status menu, get it there by going to 
System Prefs / Bluetooth, and ticking the box labeled "Show Bluetooth status in 
the menu bar."

HTH,
Bryan

> - Original Message - From: "Jim Noseworthy" 
> 
>> Is the Blue Tooth assistant option found in system preferences?  I can't
>> recall seeing that one.

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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Arthur Barney]

Hi Jim,
just checked the system preferences, and that one isn't there.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Noseworthy" 

To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: Mac mini July 2011 screen question



Hi:

Is the Blue Tooth assistant option found in system preferences?  I can't
recall seeing that one.

Cheers.


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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:25 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

Hi Jim

I'm still at a loss as to why you're having these problems, but we are 
not.
We've never had the slightest problem in this area with our server 
machines
and as I told you we have 9 of them in total.  Only 1 has, and has ever 
had,

a monitor connected to it.  The other 8 just got set up by me and are
largely left to their own devices, pardon the pun.

I asked about the video adapter because I'm wondering whether it's a
different model to ours.  To tell you the truth, Jim, Apple has really
stuffed up their Server implementation big time as of the release of Lion.
It used to be the case that the regular and server operating systems were
two different beasts and one could quite happily run either as long as one
had a unique serial number for the copy of Server.  In Snow Leopard, 
Server

was far more like a UNIX server than it is under Lion and later.  Really,
the questions are being asked as far as we are concerned but we are
committed to Apple, having invested so much money in their platforms.

From the small office Intranet perspective, the server that Apple now
produces is probably a joy to use.  It's simple, easy(isn) to set up and
maintain.  But Apple has seemingly kicked its enterprise customers into
touch now, and I am amongst a growing number of people who are becoming 
very

disillusioned and disappointed with what Apple has done to its server.

Anyway, to get back to your specific problem which I think Diane has as
well.  This is going to sound really crazy, but I'm wondering whether 
there
could be differences in the hardware distributed to each region.  All of 
the

UK models of Mac Mini I've ever used, including a mid 2009 client machine
which we have here, has no difficulty in functioning with VO without a
monitor of any kind, powered up or otherwise.  But one thing I did notice
was that if the Blue Tooth assistant was enables, VoiceOver did become
sluggish as you describe.  But once that is turned off it worked fine. 
Have

you checked that?

I really am clutching at straws here Jim, I cannot think of anything else.

We'll keep trying though and hopefully something positive will crop up.

Gordon

On 17 Jul 2012, at 14:38, Jim Noseworthy
 wrote:

Gordon:

I've tried plugging in the HDMI/DVI adapter however there was no change.
When i connected even an unplugged monitor, the problems went away.

When i installed the memory, I remember checking the specs at the time 
just

to be sure what I was doing.

I've run the unit with and without the server app running.

Not sure of the Video adapter though as I am not home.

Actually, one of the main reasons why i purchased the Mini was the fact 
that

one could just throw the unit along with a keyboard in a kit bag and carry
on.  It's not working out that way.

Cheers.




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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:27 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

Hi Jim

On 17 Jul 2012, at 12:57, Jim Noseworthy
 wrote:

I purchased the unit pre-configured.  I did, however remove the 4 GBs of 
ram

and installed 8 GB. The server is a twin HD machine.

Right!  Apple is doing a lot of funny things with hardware verification
nowadays.  If you buy something non-Apple, there is a possibility that
you'll get problems.  However, we ourselves bought memory from Crucial as 
I

refuse to pay Apple's inflated prices.  But you do have to be very very
careful that you install the exact right DIM modules or the machine will
sulk.

For the record though, this computer is not being utalized as a server; I
just liked that particular configuration.

yes, I understand that.  All the same, you shouldn't be getting those
monitor problems, we are not.  We have a stack of 9 Mac Minis, 8 of which
are mid/late 2011 models, plus one mid 2009 model.  Not a single one of 
them

complains about no monitor being connected.

So, which video adapter does your particular machine have?  Which OS is it
running, I would assume Lion?  Have you actually ran the Server.app or
should I say did you go through the server setup when you first installed
it?  I think there are ways of avoidin

RE: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hi:

Is the Blue Tooth assistant option found in system preferences?  I can't
recall seeing that one.

Cheers.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:25 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

Hi Jim

I'm still at a loss as to why you're having these problems, but we are not.
We've never had the slightest problem in this area with our server machines
and as I told you we have 9 of them in total.  Only 1 has, and has ever had,
a monitor connected to it.  The other 8 just got set up by me and are
largely left to their own devices, pardon the pun.

I asked about the video adapter because I'm wondering whether it's a
different model to ours.  To tell you the truth, Jim, Apple has really
stuffed up their Server implementation big time as of the release of Lion.
It used to be the case that the regular and server operating systems were
two different beasts and one could quite happily run either as long as one
had a unique serial number for the copy of Server.  In Snow Leopard, Server
was far more like a UNIX server than it is under Lion and later.  Really,
the questions are being asked as far as we are concerned but we are
committed to Apple, having invested so much money in their platforms.

>From the small office Intranet perspective, the server that Apple now
produces is probably a joy to use.  It's simple, easy(isn) to set up and
maintain.  But Apple has seemingly kicked its enterprise customers into
touch now, and I am amongst a growing number of people who are becoming very
disillusioned and disappointed with what Apple has done to its server.

Anyway, to get back to your specific problem which I think Diane has as
well.  This is going to sound really crazy, but I'm wondering whether there
could be differences in the hardware distributed to each region.  All of the
UK models of Mac Mini I've ever used, including a mid 2009 client machine
which we have here, has no difficulty in functioning with VO without a
monitor of any kind, powered up or otherwise.  But one thing I did notice
was that if the Blue Tooth assistant was enables, VoiceOver did become
sluggish as you describe.  But once that is turned off it worked fine.  Have
you checked that?

I really am clutching at straws here Jim, I cannot think of anything else.

We'll keep trying though and hopefully something positive will crop up.

Gordon

On 17 Jul 2012, at 14:38, Jim Noseworthy
 wrote:

Gordon:

I've tried plugging in the HDMI/DVI adapter however there was no change.
When i connected even an unplugged monitor, the problems went away.  

When i installed the memory, I remember checking the specs at the time just
to be sure what I was doing.

I've run the unit with and without the server app running.

Not sure of the Video adapter though as I am not home. 

Actually, one of the main reasons why i purchased the Mini was the fact that
one could just throw the unit along with a keyboard in a kit bag and carry
on.  It's not working out that way.

Cheers.




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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:27 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

Hi Jim

On 17 Jul 2012, at 12:57, Jim Noseworthy
 wrote:

I purchased the unit pre-configured.  I did, however remove the 4 GBs of ram
and installed 8 GB. The server is a twin HD machine.

Right!  Apple is doing a lot of funny things with hardware verification
nowadays.  If you buy something non-Apple, there is a possibility that
you'll get problems.  However, we ourselves bought memory from Crucial as I
refuse to pay Apple's inflated prices.  But you do have to be very very
careful that you install the exact right DIM modules or the machine will
sulk.

For the record though, this computer is not being utalized as a server; I
just liked that particular configuration.

yes, I understand that.  All the same, you shouldn't be getting those
monitor problems, we are not.  We have a stack of 9 Mac Minis, 8 of which
are mid/late 2011 models, plus one mid 2009 model.  Not a single one of them
complains about no monitor being connected.

So, which video adapter does your particular machine have?  Which OS is it
running, I would assume Lion?  Have you actually ran the Server.app or
should I say did you go through the server setup when you first installed
it?  I think there are ways of avoiding that, but I'd have to check.

I admit I'm intrigued by your problem because, as I say, all of our mid/late
2011 models work perfectly with no monitor.

Have you tried reinstalling the OS using something like the Lion Recovery
tool?

I know you're not running it as a server.  But it is suppos

Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Jim

I'm still at a loss as to why you're having these problems, but we are not.  
We've never had the slightest problem in this area with our server machines and 
as I told you we have 9 of them in total.  Only 1 has, and has ever had, a 
monitor connected to it.  The other 8 just got set up by me and are largely 
left to their own devices, pardon the pun.

I asked about the video adapter because I'm wondering whether it's a different 
model to ours.  To tell you the truth, Jim, Apple has really stuffed up their 
Server implementation big time as of the release of Lion.  It used to be the 
case that the regular and server operating systems were two different beasts 
and one could quite happily run either as long as one had a unique serial 
number for the copy of Server.  In Snow Leopard, Server was far more like a 
UNIX server than it is under Lion and later.  Really, the questions are being 
asked as far as we are concerned but we are committed to Apple, having invested 
so much money in their platforms.

>From the small office Intranet perspective, the server that Apple now produces 
>is probably a joy to use.  It's simple, easy(isn) to set up and maintain.  But 
>Apple has seemingly kicked its enterprise customers into touch now, and I am 
>amongst a growing number of people who are becoming very disillusioned and 
>disappointed with what Apple has done to its server.

Anyway, to get back to your specific problem which I think Diane has as well.  
This is going to sound really crazy, but I'm wondering whether there could be 
differences in the hardware distributed to each region.  All of the UK models 
of Mac Mini I've ever used, including a mid 2009 client machine which we have 
here, has no difficulty in functioning with VO without a monitor of any kind, 
powered up or otherwise.  But one thing I did notice was that if the Blue Tooth 
assistant was enables, VoiceOver did become sluggish as you describe.  But once 
that is turned off it worked fine.  Have you checked that?

I really am clutching at straws here Jim, I cannot think of anything else.

We'll keep trying though and hopefully something positive will crop up.

Gordon

On 17 Jul 2012, at 14:38, Jim Noseworthy  
wrote:

Gordon:

I've tried plugging in the HDMI/DVI adapter however there was no change.
When i connected even an unplugged monitor, the problems went away.  

When i installed the memory, I remember checking the specs at the time just
to be sure what I was doing.

I've run the unit with and without the server app running.

Not sure of the Video adapter though as I am not home. 

Actually, one of the main reasons why i purchased the Mini was the fact that
one could just throw the unit along with a keyboard in a kit bag and carry
on.  It's not working out that way.

Cheers.




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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:27 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

Hi Jim

On 17 Jul 2012, at 12:57, Jim Noseworthy
 wrote:

I purchased the unit pre-configured.  I did, however remove the 4 GBs of ram
and installed 8 GB. The server is a twin HD machine.

Right!  Apple is doing a lot of funny things with hardware verification
nowadays.  If you buy something non-Apple, there is a possibility that
you'll get problems.  However, we ourselves bought memory from Crucial as I
refuse to pay Apple's inflated prices.  But you do have to be very very
careful that you install the exact right DIM modules or the machine will
sulk.

For the record though, this computer is not being utalized as a server; I
just liked that particular configuration.

yes, I understand that.  All the same, you shouldn't be getting those
monitor problems, we are not.  We have a stack of 9 Mac Minis, 8 of which
are mid/late 2011 models, plus one mid 2009 model.  Not a single one of them
complains about no monitor being connected.

So, which video adapter does your particular machine have?  Which OS is it
running, I would assume Lion?  Have you actually ran the Server.app or
should I say did you go through the server setup when you first installed
it?  I think there are ways of avoiding that, but I'd have to check.

I admit I'm intrigued by your problem because, as I say, all of our mid/late
2011 models work perfectly with no monitor.

Have you tried reinstalling the OS using something like the Lion Recovery
tool?

I know you're not running it as a server.  But it is supposed to be a server
configuration.  The whole point of a Server is that they can be administered
remotely as well as locally.  Therefore, it stands to reason that they
wouldn't always necessarily have an active display.  Just one last question.
Did you plug in the HDMI/DVI adapter?  If not, you might like to try that.

Gordon

RE: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Jim Noseworthy]

Gordon:

I've tried plugging in the HDMI/DVI adapter however there was no change.
When i connected even an unplugged monitor, the problems went away.  

When i installed the memory, I remember checking the specs at the time just
to be sure what I was doing.

I've run the unit with and without the server app running.

Not sure of the Video adapter though as I am not home. 

Actually, one of the main reasons why i purchased the Mini was the fact that
one could just throw the unit along with a keyboard in a kit bag and carry
on.  It's not working out that way.

Cheers.




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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:27 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

Hi Jim

On 17 Jul 2012, at 12:57, Jim Noseworthy
 wrote:

I purchased the unit pre-configured.  I did, however remove the 4 GBs of ram
and installed 8 GB. The server is a twin HD machine.

Right!  Apple is doing a lot of funny things with hardware verification
nowadays.  If you buy something non-Apple, there is a possibility that
you'll get problems.  However, we ourselves bought memory from Crucial as I
refuse to pay Apple's inflated prices.  But you do have to be very very
careful that you install the exact right DIM modules or the machine will
sulk.

For the record though, this computer is not being utalized as a server; I
just liked that particular configuration.

yes, I understand that.  All the same, you shouldn't be getting those
monitor problems, we are not.  We have a stack of 9 Mac Minis, 8 of which
are mid/late 2011 models, plus one mid 2009 model.  Not a single one of them
complains about no monitor being connected.

So, which video adapter does your particular machine have?  Which OS is it
running, I would assume Lion?  Have you actually ran the Server.app or
should I say did you go through the server setup when you first installed
it?  I think there are ways of avoiding that, but I'd have to check.

I admit I'm intrigued by your problem because, as I say, all of our mid/late
2011 models work perfectly with no monitor.

Have you tried reinstalling the OS using something like the Lion Recovery
tool?

I know you're not running it as a server.  But it is supposed to be a server
configuration.  The whole point of a Server is that they can be administered
remotely as well as locally.  Therefore, it stands to reason that they
wouldn't always necessarily have an active display.  Just one last question.
Did you plug in the HDMI/DVI adapter?  If not, you might like to try that.

Gordon

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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Jim

On 17 Jul 2012, at 12:57, Jim Noseworthy  
wrote:

I purchased the unit pre-configured.  I did, however remove the 4 GBs of ram
and installed 8 GB. The server is a twin HD machine.

Right!  Apple is doing a lot of funny things with hardware verification 
nowadays.  If you buy something non-Apple, there is a possibility that you'll 
get problems.  However, we ourselves bought memory from Crucial as I refuse to 
pay Apple's inflated prices.  But you do have to be very very careful that you 
install the exact right DIM modules or the machine will sulk.

For the record though, this computer is not being utalized as a server; I
just liked that particular configuration.

yes, I understand that.  All the same, you shouldn't be getting those monitor 
problems, we are not.  We have a stack of 9 Mac Minis, 8 of which are mid/late 
2011 models, plus one mid 2009 model.  Not a single one of them complains about 
no monitor being connected.

So, which video adapter does your particular machine have?  Which OS is it 
running, I would assume Lion?  Have you actually ran the Server.app or should I 
say did you go through the server setup when you first installed it?  I think 
there are ways of avoiding that, but I'd have to check.

I admit I'm intrigued by your problem because, as I say, all of our mid/late 
2011 models work perfectly with no monitor.

Have you tried reinstalling the OS using something like the Lion Recovery tool?

I know you're not running it as a server.  But it is supposed to be a server 
configuration.  The whole point of a Server is that they can be administered 
remotely as well as locally.  Therefore, it stands to reason that they wouldn't 
always necessarily have an active display.  Just one last question.  Did you 
plug in the HDMI/DVI adapter?  If not, you might like to try that.

Gordon

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RE: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hey Gordon:

I purchased the unit pre-configured.  I did, however remove the 4 GBs of ram
and installed 8 GB. The server is a twin HD machine.

For the record though, this computer is not being utalized as a server; I
just liked that particular configuration.

Cheers.

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:27 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

Hi Jim

OK, question.  Did you install Server on this yourself and, if so, how?  If
it was pre-installed, I just don't get it as to why you should have
problems.  We have a number of those machines and they all run fine with or
without a monitor.  No messing about with VoiceOver, it just works.

I'd be interested to know whether yours is a twin-HD machine, have you
changed any of the hardware in the machine since you bought it?  If you want
to discuss this on or off list, that's fine.  Oh, and which video adapter is
your machine using?  How much RAM Etc.?

Gordon


On 17 Jul 2012, at 12:20, Jim Noseworthy
 wrote:

Hello:

I have exactly the same problem with Voiceover constantly reporting busy.
Indeed, if i boot the server with no monitor attached, I even have to invoke
Voiceover manually.

Very strange.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:37 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

The server has an i7 processor, and additional software.
When preferences is stuck in busy, cmd-opt-esc doesn't even work; I have had
to reboot. Other ideas are welcome.
This, of course, is without a monitor attached.

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Caron" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question


> Hi Diane,
> 
> Can you tell me what makes a Mini a server or not a server?  is it 
> more then just the software it is running?
> 
> Also, can you tell me what it looks like when the Preferences are not 
> working correctly and what you do when this happens.
> 
> Thanks very much for sharing your experiences and tips.
> 
> Eric Caron
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Diane Bomar wrote:
> 
>> My Mac mini is a server, and without a monitor it will not 
>> automatically start with VO. Also, I have experienced a few of the 
>> issues, others have mentioned on the list, but not all of them. The 
>> most memorable, of which,

>> is the freezing of preferences, and not showing something during the 
>> initial install, which I cannot remember what that was. It is 
>> interesting

>> to think that the server would work differently than a nonserver 
>> machine,

>> for the same options. I just had never considered that when others 
>> were reporting problems that I was not having.
>> Thanks,
>> Diane
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
>> 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi John
>>> 
>>> It's worth pointing out here that the server Mac Mini will run fine 
>>> without a monitor.  Apple is doing some pretty naughty things at the 
>>> moment, (more later).  But I don't think the standard Mini will work 
>>> right without a monitor.  It's worth pointing out though that once 
>>> the system is started you can probably turn off the monitor.  I 
>>> haven't tried it, since all of our Minis are Server machines.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 18:11, John Panarese 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This has been a topic that has come up several times.  Some folks 
>>> are told by Apple techs that the Mini can work without a monitor and 
>>> some people have no trouble with that setup.  However, others, like 
>>> myself, had oddities occur without a monitor connected, such as 
>>> VoiceOver not starting at startup automatically, system preference 
>>> changes not sticking, finder bogging down and some Safari weirdness.  
>>> There is a setup that one can use to trick the Mini into thinking 
>>> you have a monitor, but that will cost about $60 as an investment.  
>>> You would have to weigh that against simply buying a cheap monitor.
>>> 
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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Jim

OK, question.  Did you install Server on this yourself and, if so, how?  If it 
was pre-installed, I just don't get it as to why you should have problems.  We 
have a number of those machines and they all run fine with or without a 
monitor.  No messing about with VoiceOver, it just works.

I'd be interested to know whether yours is a twin-HD machine, have you changed 
any of the hardware in the machine since you bought it?  If you want to discuss 
this on or off list, that's fine.  Oh, and which video adapter is your machine 
using?  How much RAM Etc.?

Gordon


On 17 Jul 2012, at 12:20, Jim Noseworthy  
wrote:

Hello:

I have exactly the same problem with Voiceover constantly reporting busy.
Indeed, if i boot the server with no monitor attached, I even have to invoke
Voiceover manually.

Very strange.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:37 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

The server has an i7 processor, and additional software.
When preferences is stuck in busy, cmd-opt-esc doesn't even work; I have had
to reboot. Other ideas are welcome.
This, of course, is without a monitor attached.

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Caron" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question


> Hi Diane,
> 
> Can you tell me what makes a Mini a server or not a server?  is it more 
> then just the software it is running?
> 
> Also, can you tell me what it looks like when the Preferences are not 
> working correctly and what you do when this happens.
> 
> Thanks very much for sharing your experiences and tips.
> 
> Eric Caron
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Diane Bomar wrote:
> 
>> My Mac mini is a server, and without a monitor it will not automatically 
>> start with VO. Also, I have experienced a few of the issues, others have 
>> mentioned on the list, but not all of them. The most memorable, of which,

>> is the freezing of preferences, and not showing something during the 
>> initial install, which I cannot remember what that was. It is interesting

>> to think that the server would work differently than a nonserver machine,

>> for the same options. I just had never considered that when others were 
>> reporting problems that I was not having.
>> Thanks,
>> Diane
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi John
>>> 
>>> It's worth pointing out here that the server Mac Mini will run fine 
>>> without a monitor.  Apple is doing some pretty naughty things at the 
>>> moment, (more later).  But I don't think the standard Mini will work 
>>> right without a monitor.  It's worth pointing out though that once the 
>>> system is started you can probably turn off the monitor.  I haven't 
>>> tried it, since all of our Minis are Server machines.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 18:11, John Panarese  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This has been a topic that has come up several times.  Some folks are 
>>> told by Apple techs that the Mini can work without a monitor and some 
>>> people have no trouble with that setup.  However, others, like myself, 
>>> had oddities occur without a monitor connected, such as VoiceOver not 
>>> starting at startup automatically, system preference changes not 
>>> sticking, finder bogging down and some Safari weirdness.  There is a 
>>> setup that one can use to trick the Mini into thinking you have a 
>>> monitor, but that will cost about $60 as an investment.  You would have 
>>> to weigh that against simply buying a cheap monitor.
>>> 
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RE: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hello:

I have exactly the same problem with Voiceover constantly reporting busy.
Indeed, if i boot the server with no monitor attached, I even have to invoke
Voiceover manually.

Very strange.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:37 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

The server has an i7 processor, and additional software.
When preferences is stuck in busy, cmd-opt-esc doesn't even work; I have had
to reboot. Other ideas are welcome.
This, of course, is without a monitor attached.

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Caron" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question


> Hi Diane,
>
> Can you tell me what makes a Mini a server or not a server?  is it more 
> then just the software it is running?
>
> Also, can you tell me what it looks like when the Preferences are not 
> working correctly and what you do when this happens.
>
> Thanks very much for sharing your experiences and tips.
>
> Eric Caron
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Diane Bomar wrote:
>
>> My Mac mini is a server, and without a monitor it will not automatically 
>> start with VO. Also, I have experienced a few of the issues, others have 
>> mentioned on the list, but not all of them. The most memorable, of which,

>> is the freezing of preferences, and not showing something during the 
>> initial install, which I cannot remember what that was. It is interesting

>> to think that the server would work differently than a nonserver machine,

>> for the same options. I just had never considered that when others were 
>> reporting problems that I was not having.
>> Thanks,
>> Diane
>>
>> ----- Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question
>>
>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> It's worth pointing out here that the server Mac Mini will run fine 
>>> without a monitor.  Apple is doing some pretty naughty things at the 
>>> moment, (more later).  But I don't think the standard Mini will work 
>>> right without a monitor.  It's worth pointing out though that once the 
>>> system is started you can probably turn off the monitor.  I haven't 
>>> tried it, since all of our Minis are Server machines.
>>>
>>> Gordon
>>>
>>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 18:11, John Panarese  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  This has been a topic that has come up several times.  Some folks are 
>>> told by Apple techs that the Mini can work without a monitor and some 
>>> people have no trouble with that setup.  However, others, like myself, 
>>> had oddities occur without a monitor connected, such as VoiceOver not 
>>> starting at startup automatically, system preference changes not 
>>> sticking, finder bogging down and some Safari weirdness.  There is a 
>>> setup that one can use to trick the Mini into thinking you have a 
>>> monitor, but that will cost about $60 as an investment.  You would have 
>>> to weigh that against simply buying a cheap monitor.
>>>
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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Gordon Smith]

Hello Diane

It simply is not an issue on the server platform.  So what I'm saying is forget 
it, it does *NOT* apply.

Gordon


On 17 Jul 2012, at 08:56, Diane Bomar  wrote:

Good info, Gordon. I will talk with my instructor about this, later this 
afternoon. I  haven't played with it, since I saw the posting on the list that 
this was a problem on the Mac mini. It is easy enough to turn VO on, both for 
the logon screen, then again when I am logged in.

Thanks, that makes lots of sense, but, I would think that servers are not 
powered down very often, and that sighted people might boot up remotely.
Therefore, there would either be a monitor on another machine. How often do you 
actually shut down a server and reboot it?

Thanks,
Diane

- Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question


> Hi Diane
> 
> We currently have 8 Mac Minis Server machines of the current design here, the 
> oldest of which is mid 2011.  All bar one works without a monitor and there 
> are no problems at all with VoiceOver starting or reading.
> 
> In fact, we also have a late 2009 Server machine which works just as well. 
> There would have been no logic behind a design philosophy preventing the 
> machine from being used this way because many enterprise organisations mount 
> their servers in such a way that direct video displays are impractical.  
> Thus, it has to be functional without a display so that remote management is 
> possible.  Lynne uses ARD to admin our servers very frequently and doesn't 
> encounter any issues.  I also have occasion very frequently to use a 
> Bluetooth keyboard on our machines and don't use a monitor.
> 
> So I don't get it why you should be having problems with VO on Apple's server 
> platform.  Or have I misunderstood you?
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 17 Jul 2012, at 03:37, Diane Bomar  wrote:
> 
> The server has an i7 processor, and additional software.
> When preferences is stuck in busy, cmd-opt-esc doesn't even work; I have had 
> to reboot. Other ideas are welcome.
> This, of course, is without a monitor attached.
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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Diane Bomar]

Good info, Gordon. I will talk with my instructor about this, later this 
afternoon. I  haven't played with it, since I saw the posting on the list 
that this was a problem on the Mac mini. It is easy enough to turn VO on, 
both for the logon screen, then again when I am logged in.


Thanks, that makes lots of sense, but, I would think that servers are not 
powered down very often, and that sighted people might boot up remotely.
Therefore, there would either be a monitor on another machine. How often do 
you actually shut down a server and reboot it?


Thanks,
Diane

- Original Message - 
From: "Gordon Smith" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question



Hi Diane

We currently have 8 Mac Minis Server machines of the current design here, 
the oldest of which is mid 2011.  All bar one works without a monitor and 
there are no problems at all with VoiceOver starting or reading.


In fact, we also have a late 2009 Server machine which works just as well. 
There would have been no logic behind a design philosophy preventing the 
machine from being used this way because many enterprise organisations 
mount their servers in such a way that direct video displays are 
impractical.  Thus, it has to be functional without a display so that 
remote management is possible.  Lynne uses ARD to admin our servers very 
frequently and doesn't encounter any issues.  I also have occasion very 
frequently to use a Bluetooth keyboard on our machines and don't use a 
monitor.


So I don't get it why you should be having problems with VO on Apple's 
server platform.  Or have I misunderstood you?


Gordon

On 17 Jul 2012, at 03:37, Diane Bomar  wrote:

The server has an i7 processor, and additional software.
When preferences is stuck in busy, cmd-opt-esc doesn't even work; I have 
had to reboot. Other ideas are welcome.

This, of course, is without a monitor attached.

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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Diane

We currently have 8 Mac Minis Server machines of the current design here, the 
oldest of which is mid 2011.  All bar one works without a monitor and there are 
no problems at all with VoiceOver starting or reading.

In fact, we also have a late 2009 Server machine which works just as well.  
There would have been no logic behind a design philosophy preventing the 
machine from being used this way because many enterprise organisations mount 
their servers in such a way that direct video displays are impractical.  Thus, 
it has to be functional without a display so that remote management is 
possible.  Lynne uses ARD to admin our servers very frequently and doesn't 
encounter any issues.  I also have occasion very frequently to use a Bluetooth 
keyboard on our machines and don't use a monitor.

So I don't get it why you should be having problems with VO on Apple's server 
platform.  Or have I misunderstood you?

Gordon

On 17 Jul 2012, at 03:37, Diane Bomar  wrote:

The server has an i7 processor, and additional software.
When preferences is stuck in busy, cmd-opt-esc doesn't even work; I have had to 
reboot. Other ideas are welcome.
This, of course, is without a monitor attached.

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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Diane Bomar]

The server has an i7 processor, and additional software.
When preferences is stuck in busy, cmd-opt-esc doesn't even work; I have had 
to reboot. Other ideas are welcome.

This, of course, is without a monitor attached.

- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Caron" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question



Hi Diane,

Can you tell me what makes a Mini a server or not a server?  is it more 
then just the software it is running?


Also, can you tell me what it looks like when the Preferences are not 
working correctly and what you do when this happens.


Thanks very much for sharing your experiences and tips.

Eric Caron


On Jul 14, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Diane Bomar wrote:

My Mac mini is a server, and without a monitor it will not automatically 
start with VO. Also, I have experienced a few of the issues, others have 
mentioned on the list, but not all of them. The most memorable, of which, 
is the freezing of preferences, and not showing something during the 
initial install, which I cannot remember what that was. It is interesting 
to think that the server would work differently than a nonserver machine, 
for the same options. I just had never considered that when others were 
reporting problems that I was not having.

Thanks,
Diane

- Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question



Hi John

It's worth pointing out here that the server Mac Mini will run fine 
without a monitor.  Apple is doing some pretty naughty things at the 
moment, (more later).  But I don't think the standard Mini will work 
right without a monitor.  It's worth pointing out though that once the 
system is started you can probably turn off the monitor.  I haven't 
tried it, since all of our Minis are Server machines.


Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 18:11, John Panarese  
wrote:


 This has been a topic that has come up several times.  Some folks are 
told by Apple techs that the Mini can work without a monitor and some 
people have no trouble with that setup.  However, others, like myself, 
had oddities occur without a monitor connected, such as VoiceOver not 
starting at startup automatically, system preference changes not 
sticking, finder bogging down and some Safari weirdness.  There is a 
setup that one can use to trick the Mini into thinking you have a 
monitor, but that will cost about $60 as an investment.  You would have 
to weigh that against simply buying a cheap monitor.


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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Diane Bomar]

John,
What is involved in the "setting" you refer to, that costs about $60? I do 
not have the problem of preferences not sticking, but do have the problem of 
VO not starting automatically, and a couple of other fairly trivial things. 
However, it would be nice to know what workaround you have found. I like the 
size of the mini and, when traveling, don't want to have to find a monitor. 
At home, I have a monitor, and connect to it, occasionally, though I cannot 
see it. It is mainly for other family members or friends who are visually 
dependent.

Thanks,
Diane

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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question


   This has been a topic that has come up several times.  Some folks are 
told by Apple techs that the Mini can work without a monitor and some 
people have no trouble with that setup.  However, others, like myself, had 
oddities occur without a monitor connected, such as VoiceOver not starting 
at startup automatically, system preference changes not sticking, finder 
bogging down and some Safari weirdness.  There is a setup that one can use 
to trick the Mini into thinking you have a monitor, but that will cost 
about $60 as an investment.  You would have to weigh that against simply 
buying a cheap monitor.



Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@mac-access.net



On Jul 13, 2012, at 1:15 AM, "Diane Bomar"  wrote:

I purchased my Mac Mini in October 2011, and can usually use it without 
the screen. There is the problem of VO not loading automatically, when a 
monitor is not attached, and sometimes preferences being busy, and unable 
to clear.


It would be great for someone who is more expert on this subject, to 
compile a list of what doesn't work correctly without a monitor attached. 
I  am taking one-on-one lessons at the Apple store in Denver, and have 
the good fortune of working with an instructor who, though fully sighted, 
uses VO all of the time. We usually sit in comfortable chairs out in the 
mall, where it is quieter than in the Apple store. There are small tables 
and electrical outlets, and she uses a headphone splitter, and no screen. 
We seldom run into problems.


Diane
- Original Message - From: "Eric Caron" 


To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:25 PM
Subject: Mac mini July 2011 screen question



Hi listers,

If all goes well I just purchased a late July 2011 mac Mini.  It comes 
with full size keyboard and magic mouse and two additional 4 gig sticks 
of ram.  so my first question is does this mini need a screen to 
function correctly?  If so I will want to start bargain  shopping soon.


next question is, are there folks out there using this model and do you 
have any good or bad feedback for me?  It came with Lyon and currently 
has 2 gigs ram but I will put in the 8 gigs when it arrives.


Tips on mid 2011 Mac Mini's wanted.

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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

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Hi Diane,

Can you tell me what makes a Mini a server or not a server?  is it more 
then just the software it is running?

Also, can you tell me what it looks like when the Preferences are not working 
correctly and what you do when this happens.

Thanks very much for sharing your experiences and tips.

Eric Caron 


On Jul 14, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Diane Bomar wrote:

> My Mac mini is a server, and without a monitor it will not automatically 
> start with VO. Also, I have experienced a few of the issues, others have 
> mentioned on the list, but not all of them. The most memorable, of which, is 
> the freezing of preferences, and not showing something during the initial 
> install, which I cannot remember what that was. It is interesting to think 
> that the server would work differently than a nonserver machine, for the same 
> options. I just had never considered that when others were reporting problems 
> that I was not having.
> Thanks,
> Diane
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question
> 
> 
>> Hi John
>> 
>> It's worth pointing out here that the server Mac Mini will run fine without 
>> a monitor.  Apple is doing some pretty naughty things at the moment, (more 
>> later).  But I don't think the standard Mini will work right without a 
>> monitor.  It's worth pointing out though that once the system is started you 
>> can probably turn off the monitor.  I haven't tried it, since all of our 
>> Minis are Server machines.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 18:11, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
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>> by Apple techs that the Mini can work without a monitor and some people have 
>> no trouble with that setup.  However, others, like myself, had oddities 
>> occur without a monitor connected, such as VoiceOver not starting at startup 
>> automatically, system preference changes not sticking, finder bogging down 
>> and some Safari weirdness.  There is a setup that one can use to trick the 
>> Mini into thinking you have a monitor, but that will cost about $60 as an 
>> investment.  You would have to weigh that against simply buying a cheap 
>> monitor.
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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Diane Bomar]

My Mac mini is a server, and without a monitor it will not automatically 
start with VO. Also, I have experienced a few of the issues, others have 
mentioned on the list, but not all of them. The most memorable, of which, is 
the freezing of preferences, and not showing something during the initial 
install, which I cannot remember what that was. It is interesting to think 
that the server would work differently than a nonserver machine, for the 
same options. I just had never considered that when others were reporting 
problems that I was not having.

Thanks,
Diane

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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question



Hi John

It's worth pointing out here that the server Mac Mini will run fine 
without a monitor.  Apple is doing some pretty naughty things at the 
moment, (more later).  But I don't think the standard Mini will work right 
without a monitor.  It's worth pointing out though that once the system is 
started you can probably turn off the monitor.  I haven't tried it, since 
all of our Minis are Server machines.


Gordon

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  This has been a topic that has come up several times.  Some folks are 
told by Apple techs that the Mini can work without a monitor and some 
people have no trouble with that setup.  However, others, like myself, had 
oddities occur without a monitor connected, such as VoiceOver not starting 
at startup automatically, system preference changes not sticking, finder 
bogging down and some Safari weirdness.  There is a setup that one can use 
to trick the Mini into thinking you have a monitor, but that will cost 
about $60 as an investment.  You would have to weigh that against simply 
buying a cheap monitor.


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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Diane Bomar]

During the one-on-one sessions, there is no monitor. That being said, during 
my session today, we ran into a problem, in which the instructor was telling 
me how to get to the "disclosure triangle", but I couldn't find it. She took 
the keyboard, and couldn't find it, so I suggested that she get a laptop 
from the store and look at the screen. She then discovered that VO was not 
calling the place she wanted "disclosure triangle" but it had a  different 
label LOL. In fact, it was the place I thought I should be, but she had 
thought that place was something else.
She says that she has been wanting to work with someone, like myself, so 
that she would not have a screen in front of her.

Glad to be appreciated, for a change LOL.

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question



Hi Dian,

Thanks for your comments. I didn't catch at first the comment about VO not 
loading automatically with the Mini when there is no monitor.  But now 
that you say that I understand why the person selling it to me said I wil 
need to wait 30 seconds then press command F5.  I thought it was strange 
that it just didn't start as it does on my mac book.


When you do your training are you using your mini?  If so that indicates 
to me that it works reasonably well without the monitor.  Do you have any 
tricks you use if it acts up?


I'll probably search for a inexpensive monitor but would be happy if I 
didn't need one.


These tips are very helpful.

eric Caron

On Jul 13, 2012, at 1:15 AM, Diane Bomar wrote:

I purchased my Mac Mini in October 2011, and can usually use it without 
the screen. There is the problem of VO not loading automatically, when a 
monitor is not attached, and somethimes preferences being busy, and 
unable to clear.


It would be great for someone who is more expert on this subject, to 
compile a list of what doesn't work correctly without a monitor attached. 
I  am taking one-on-one lessons at the Apple store in Denver, and have 
the good fortune of working with an instructor who, though fully sighted, 
uses VO all of the time. We usually sit in comfortable chairs out in the 
mall, where it is quieter than in the Apple store. There are small tables 
and electrical outlets, and she uses a headphone splitter, and no screen. 
We seldom run into problems.


Diane
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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Eric Caron]

Hi John,

I remember that thread clearly.  And as I don't have much desk realist 
ate it is tempting to go that route.  I think however I'll probably opt for the 
inexpensive monitor partly so I can get sighted help when needed and partly so 
that sighted folks can use the Mini thus freeing up my mac book for me to use.

I'm very excited about setting up this new machine and seeing how it performs 
compared to my 2009 Mac book.

Eric Caron 

On Jul 13, 2012, at 1:11 PM, John Panarese wrote:

>This has been a topic that has come up several times.  Some folks are told 
> by Apple techs that the Mini can work without a monitor and some people have 
> no trouble with that setup.  However, others, like myself, had oddities occur 
> without a monitor connected, such as VoiceOver not starting at startup 
> automatically, system preference changes not sticking, finder bogging down 
> and some Safari weirdness.  There is a setup that one can use to trick the 
> Mini into thinking you have a monitor, but that will cost about $60 as an 
> investment.  You would have to weigh that against simply buying a cheap 
> monitor.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> jpanar...@mac-access.net
> 
> 
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Hi Dian,

Thanks for your comments. I didn't catch at first the comment about VO 
not loading automatically with the Mini when there is no monitor.  But now that 
you say that I understand why the person selling it to me said I wil need to 
wait 30 seconds then press command F5.  I thought it was strange that it just 
didn't start as it does on my mac book.

When you do your training are you using your mini?  If so that indicates to me 
that it works reasonably well without the monitor.  Do you have any tricks you 
use if it acts up?

I'll probably search for a inexpensive monitor but would be happy if I didn't 
need one. 

These tips are very helpful.

eric Caron 
  
On Jul 13, 2012, at 1:15 AM, Diane Bomar wrote:

> I purchased my Mac Mini in October 2011, and can usually use it without the 
> screen. There is the problem of VO not loading automatically, when a monitor 
> is not attached, and somethimes preferences being busy, and unable to clear.
> 
> It would be great for someone who is more expert on this subject, to compile 
> a list of what doesn't work correctly without a monitor attached. I  am 
> taking one-on-one lessons at the Apple store in Denver, and have the good 
> fortune of working with an instructor who, though fully sighted, uses VO all 
> of the time. We usually sit in comfortable chairs out in the mall, where it 
> is quieter than in the Apple store. There are small tables and electrical 
> outlets, and she uses a headphone splitter, and no screen. We seldom run into 
> problems.
> 
> Diane
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Hi John

It's worth pointing out here that the server Mac Mini will run fine without a 
monitor.  Apple is doing some pretty naughty things at the moment, (more 
later).  But I don't think the standard Mini will work right without a monitor. 
 It's worth pointing out though that once the system is started you can 
probably turn off the monitor.  I haven't tried it, since all of our Minis are 
Server machines.

Gordon

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   This has been a topic that has come up several times.  Some folks are told 
by Apple techs that the Mini can work without a monitor and some people have no 
trouble with that setup.  However, others, like myself, had oddities occur 
without a monitor connected, such as VoiceOver not starting at startup 
automatically, system preference changes not sticking, finder bogging down and 
some Safari weirdness.  There is a setup that one can use to trick the Mini 
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This has been a topic that has come up several times.  Some folks are told 
by Apple techs that the Mini can work without a monitor and some people have no 
trouble with that setup.  However, others, like myself, had oddities occur 
without a monitor connected, such as VoiceOver not starting at startup 
automatically, system preference changes not sticking, finder bogging down and 
some Safari weirdness.  There is a setup that one can use to trick the Mini 
into thinking you have a monitor, but that will cost about $60 as an 
investment.  You would have to weigh that against simply buying a cheap monitor.


Take Care

John Panarese
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> I purchased my Mac Mini in October 2011, and can usually use it without the 
> screen. There is the problem of VO not loading automatically, when a monitor 
> is not attached, and sometimes preferences being busy, and unable to clear.
> 
> It would be great for someone who is more expert on this subject, to compile 
> a list of what doesn't work correctly without a monitor attached. I  am 
> taking one-on-one lessons at the Apple store in Denver, and have the good 
> fortune of working with an instructor who, though fully sighted, uses VO all 
> of the time. We usually sit in comfortable chairs out in the mall, where it 
> is quieter than in the Apple store. There are small tables and electrical 
> outlets, and she uses a headphone splitter, and no screen. We seldom run into 
> problems.
> 
> Diane
> - Original Message - From: "Eric Caron" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:25 PM
> Subject: Mac mini July 2011 screen question
> 
> 
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>> If all goes well I just purchased a late July 2011 mac Mini.  It comes with 
>> full size keyboard and magic mouse and two additional 4 gig sticks of ram.  
>> so my first question is does this mini need a screen to function correctly?  
>> If so I will want to start bargain  shopping soon.
>> 
>> next question is, are there folks out there using this model and do you have 
>> any good or bad feedback for me?  It came with Lyon and currently has 2 gigs 
>> ram but I will put in the 8 gigs when it arrives.
>> 
>> Tips on mid 2011 Mac Mini's wanted.
>> 
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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Diane Bomar]

I purchased my Mac Mini in October 2011, and can usually use it without the 
screen. There is the problem of VO not loading automatically, when a monitor 
is not attached, and somethimes preferences being busy, and unable to clear.


It would be great for someone who is more expert on this subject, to compile 
a list of what doesn't work correctly without a monitor attached. I  am 
taking one-on-one lessons at the Apple store in Denver, and have the good 
fortune of working with an instructor who, though fully sighted, uses VO all 
of the time. We usually sit in comfortable chairs out in the mall, where it 
is quieter than in the Apple store. There are small tables and electrical 
outlets, and she uses a headphone splitter, and no screen. We seldom run 
into problems.


Diane
- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Caron" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:25 PM
Subject: Mac mini July 2011 screen question



Hi listers,

If all goes well I just purchased a late July 2011 mac Mini.  It comes 
with full size keyboard and magic mouse and two additional 4 gig sticks of 
ram.  so my first question is does this mini need a screen to function 
correctly?  If so I will want to start bargain  shopping soon.


next question is, are there folks out there using this model and do you 
have any good or bad feedback for me?  It came with Lyon and currently has 
2 gigs ram but I will put in the 8 gigs when it arrives.


Tips on mid 2011 Mac Mini's wanted.

Eric Caron
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Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Eric Caron]

Hi listers,

If all goes well I just purchased a late July 2011 mac Mini.  It comes 
with full size keyboard and magic mouse and two additional 4 gig sticks of ram. 
 so my first question is does this mini need a screen to function correctly?  
If so I will want to start bargain  shopping soon.  

next question is, are there folks out there using this model and do you have 
any good or bad feedback for me?  It came with Lyon and currently has 2 gigs 
ram but I will put in the 8 gigs when it arrives. 

Tips on mid 2011 Mac Mini's wanted.

Eric Caron  
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