Re: Mail isn't saying "unread".

[Sarah k Alawami]

Not for me. it’s to the left. did you some how rearrange your columns? If so 
can you reverse the steps? i’m actually curious as I know not the answer to 
this. 

Take care.
On Nov 5, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Marcia Yale  wrote:

> I have noticed that "unread' is now being announced after the subject of the
> message, instead of before.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Gilland
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:30 AM
> To: The Mac-Access Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Mail isn't saying "unread".
> 
> I'm looking, but so far I've not found anything, Ben.  If anyone does,
> please let us both know.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:27 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  wrote:
> 
>> Hey All,
>> 
>> I'm really liking OSX Mavericks. Voiceover seems to be ever so subtly
> snappier. I'm having a very slight issue in mail, which is confirmation of
> what Christopher Gilland has already said. When I'm in the new messages area
> of Mail, I'll locate a message to determine whether or not I want to read
> it. Formerly, Voiceover would say, "Unread, Joey Bird; Why do I like birds?"
> The punctuation is not reflexive of what actually happens. I just used it to
> create pauses in speech. Now, in Mavericks, that flag doesn't appear, and
> Voiceover reads everything except the read/unread status of the message. Is
> there a way to reenable that flag?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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RE: Mail isn't saying "unread".

[Marcia Yale]

I have noticed that "unread' is now being announced after the subject of the
message, instead of before.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:30 AM
To: The Mac-Access Mailing List
Subject: Re: Mail isn't saying "unread".

I'm looking, but so far I've not found anything, Ben.  If anyone does,
please let us both know.

Chris.

On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:27 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  wrote:

> Hey All,
> 
> I'm really liking OSX Mavericks. Voiceover seems to be ever so subtly
snappier. I'm having a very slight issue in mail, which is confirmation of
what Christopher Gilland has already said. When I'm in the new messages area
of Mail, I'll locate a message to determine whether or not I want to read
it. Formerly, Voiceover would say, "Unread, Joey Bird; Why do I like birds?"
The punctuation is not reflexive of what actually happens. I just used it to
create pauses in speech. Now, in Mavericks, that flag doesn't appear, and
Voiceover reads everything except the read/unread status of the message. Is
there a way to reenable that flag?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ben
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Re: Mail isn't saying "unread".

[Ben J Bloomgren]

Note to all you guys,

I am so sorry for all the bounced messages from incorrect accounts. I have 
multiple email addresses, so I often am sitting on other accounts. I’m much 
more vigilant about this now, and it shouldn’t happen again from here on out.

I agree that it’s not a great solution on another note, but it does indeed 
work. Man, Persistent Pete don’t take no for an answer, does he? :) ;) LOL!

Ben
On Oct 22, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Christopher Gilland  
wrote:

> OK guys, you may not like this, but I did find out a work around.
> 
> If in Mail, you go to preferences, command+Comma, then go to the fviewing 
> tab, then check the box to use classic mode, it then seems to announce unread 
> messages at that point.
> 
> So far that is the only work around I’ve found to be 100% consistent.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:31 AM, Christopher Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
>> OK, this is really bizarre.  I looked in the view menu under the message 
>> attributes sub menu, and flags is checked, although it’s dimmed, for some 
>> weird reason.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Christopher Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m looking, but so far I’ve not found anything, Ben.  If anyone does, 
>>> please let us both know.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:27 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey All,
 
 I’m really liking OSX Mavericks. Voiceover seems to be ever so subtly 
 snappier. I’m having a very slight issue in mail, which is confirmation of 
 what Christopher Gilland has already said. When I’m in the new messages 
 area of Mail, I’ll locate a message to determine whether or not I want to 
 read it. Formerly, Voiceover would say, “Unread, Joey Bird; Why do I like 
 birds?” The punctuation is not reflexive of what actually happens. I just 
 used it to create pauses in speech. Now, in Mavericks, that flag doesn’t 
 appear, and Voiceover reads everything except the read/unread status of 
 the message. Is there a way to reenable that flag?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Ben
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Re: Mail isn't saying "unread".

[Christopher Gilland]

OK guys, you may not like this, but I did find out a work around.

If in Mail, you go to preferences, command+Comma, then go to the fviewing tab, 
then check the box to use classic mode, it then seems to announce unread 
messages at that point.

So far that is the only work around I’ve found to be 100% consistent.

Chris.

On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:31 AM, Christopher Gilland  
wrote:

> OK, this is really bizarre.  I looked in the view menu under the message 
> attributes sub menu, and flags is checked, although it’s dimmed, for some 
> weird reason.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Christopher Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
>> I’m looking, but so far I’ve not found anything, Ben.  If anyone does, 
>> please let us both know.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:27 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey All,
>>> 
>>> I’m really liking OSX Mavericks. Voiceover seems to be ever so subtly 
>>> snappier. I’m having a very slight issue in mail, which is confirmation of 
>>> what Christopher Gilland has already said. When I’m in the new messages 
>>> area of Mail, I’ll locate a message to determine whether or not I want to 
>>> read it. Formerly, Voiceover would say, “Unread, Joey Bird; Why do I like 
>>> birds?” The punctuation is not reflexive of what actually happens. I just 
>>> used it to create pauses in speech. Now, in Mavericks, that flag doesn’t 
>>> appear, and Voiceover reads everything except the read/unread status of the 
>>> message. Is there a way to reenable that flag?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ben
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Re: Mail isn't saying "unread".

[Christopher Gilland]

OK, this is really bizarre.  I looked in the view menu under the message 
attributes sub menu, and flags is checked, although it’s dimmed, for some weird 
reason.

Any thoughts?

Chris.

On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Christopher Gilland  
wrote:

> I’m looking, but so far I’ve not found anything, Ben.  If anyone does, please 
> let us both know.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:27 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  wrote:
> 
>> Hey All,
>> 
>> I’m really liking OSX Mavericks. Voiceover seems to be ever so subtly 
>> snappier. I’m having a very slight issue in mail, which is confirmation of 
>> what Christopher Gilland has already said. When I’m in the new messages area 
>> of Mail, I’ll locate a message to determine whether or not I want to read 
>> it. Formerly, Voiceover would say, “Unread, Joey Bird; Why do I like birds?” 
>> The punctuation is not reflexive of what actually happens. I just used it to 
>> create pauses in speech. Now, in Mavericks, that flag doesn’t appear, and 
>> Voiceover reads everything except the read/unread status of the message. Is 
>> there a way to reenable that flag?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ben
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Re: Mail isn't saying "unread".

[Christopher Gilland]

I’m looking, but so far I’ve not found anything, Ben.  If anyone does, please 
let us both know.

Chris.

On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:27 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  wrote:

> Hey All,
> 
> I’m really liking OSX Mavericks. Voiceover seems to be ever so subtly 
> snappier. I’m having a very slight issue in mail, which is confirmation of 
> what Christopher Gilland has already said. When I’m in the new messages area 
> of Mail, I’ll locate a message to determine whether or not I want to read it. 
> Formerly, Voiceover would say, “Unread, Joey Bird; Why do I like birds?” The 
> punctuation is not reflexive of what actually happens. I just used it to 
> create pauses in speech. Now, in Mavericks, that flag doesn’t appear, and 
> Voiceover reads everything except the read/unread status of the message. Is 
> there a way to reenable that flag?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ben
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Mail isn't saying "unread".

[Ben J Bloomgren]

Hey All,

I’m really liking OSX Mavericks. Voiceover seems to be ever so subtly snappier. 
I’m having a very slight issue in mail, which is confirmation of what 
Christopher Gilland has already said. When I’m in the new messages area of 
Mail, I’ll locate a message to determine whether or not I want to read it. 
Formerly, Voiceover would say, “Unread, Joey Bird; Why do I like birds?” The 
punctuation is not reflexive of what actually happens. I just used it to create 
pauses in speech. Now, in Mavericks, that flag doesn’t appear, and Voiceover 
reads everything except the read/unread status of the message. Is there a way 
to reenable that flag?

Thanks,

Ben
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