Re: PDf's

[Adi Kushnir]

Hi Brian,
Thanks. So, it seems that I will have to install another operating
system on my expensive Mac Book Pro to get this job done. Ok, I'll do
that.

Thanks,

Adi.

2014-06-23 18:31 GMT+03:00, Bryan Jones :
> Hello Adi,
>
> Access to PDF files is an important part of my day-to-day life and I've
> tested a dozen or more PDF reading Mac apps over the past few years but have
> found no single app that provides anything resembling true access to
> properly tagged PDF files on the Mac. I assumed all PDF files must just be
> inherently inaccessible because my only point of reference was the limited
> access provided by the PDF tools available to Mac VO Users. It was only
> recently that I discovered how wonderfully accessible a properly created PDF
> file can be when read on Windows. While Preview and Skim provide basic
> access to PDF files on the Mac, AFAIK there is no tool on the Mac that even
> comes close to properly handling accessible PDF files in the way that the
> free Adobe Reader does on Windows. Speaking of Adobe Reader, the Mac version
> is essentially useless in terms of VO access.
>
> On a hopeful note, the latest version of the paid PDFpen application shows
> promise as the Developer specifically focussed on VO usage including making
> form fields accessible. I don't think PDFpen yet provides accessible
> navigation by headings, etc, but it might be worth testing if PDF files are
> important to you.
>
> HTH,
> Bryan
>
> On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Adi Kushnir  wrote:
>> Yes, that is true, but it looks like preview on the Mac does not do a
>> very good job with pdf's.
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Re: PDf's

[Bryan Jones]

Hello Adi,

Access to PDF files is an important part of my day-to-day life and I’ve tested 
a dozen or more PDF reading Mac apps over the past few years but have found no 
single app that provides anything resembling true access to properly tagged PDF 
files on the Mac. I assumed all PDF files must just be inherently inaccessible 
because my only point of reference was the limited access provided by the PDF 
tools available to Mac VO Users. It was only recently that I discovered how 
wonderfully accessible a properly created PDF file can be when read on Windows. 
While Preview and Skim provide basic access to PDF files on the Mac, AFAIK 
there is no tool on the Mac that even comes close to properly handling 
accessible PDF files in the way that the free Adobe Reader does on Windows. 
Speaking of Adobe Reader, the Mac version is essentially useless in terms of VO 
access.

On a hopeful note, the latest version of the paid PDFpen application shows 
promise as the Developer specifically focussed on VO usage including making 
form fields accessible. I don’t think PDFpen yet provides accessible navigation 
by headings, etc, but it might be worth testing if PDF files are important to 
you.

HTH,
Bryan

On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Adi Kushnir  wrote:
> Yes, that is true, but it looks like preview on the Mac does not do a
> very good job with pdf's.

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Re: PDf's

[Eleanor Martha Burke]

Have you tried Skim from Source Forge, link below.
http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/
- Original Message - 
From: "Adi Kushnir" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: PDf's



Yes, that is true, but it looks like preview on the Mac does not do a
very good job with pdf's.

2014-06-23 12:42 GMT+03:00, David Griffith :

I will not answer your full question but just to point out that on all
platforms, including Windows, the ability to navigate by heading etc. in
PDF
documents depends on whether the PDF file has been tagged properly to 
allow

these accessibility features. In my experience only a small percentage of
PDF files have this tagging information included. If the heading or table
tags are not included no screenreader will be able to find them.

David Griffith
David Griffith

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Subject: PDf's

Hello,
What is the best way to read PDF's on a Mac with Vo including
navigation by headings, links, and so on like we are used with other
platforms screen readers?

Thanks,

Adi.
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Re: PDf's

[Adi Kushnir]

Yes, that is true, but it looks like preview on the Mac does not do a
very good job with pdf's.

2014-06-23 12:42 GMT+03:00, David Griffith :
> I will not answer your full question but just to point out that on all
> platforms, including Windows, the ability to navigate by heading etc. in
> PDF
> documents depends on whether the PDF file has been tagged properly to allow
> these accessibility features. In my experience only a small percentage of
> PDF files have this tagging information included. If the heading or table
> tags are not included no screenreader will be able to find them.
>
> David Griffith
> David Griffith
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Adi Kushnir
> Sent: 23 June 2014 09:54
> To: mac-access@mac-access.net
> Subject: PDf's
>
> Hello,
> What is the best way to read PDF's on a Mac with Vo including
> navigation by headings, links, and so on like we are used with other
> platforms screen readers?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adi.
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RE: PDf's

[David Griffith]

I will not answer your full question but just to point out that on all
platforms, including Windows, the ability to navigate by heading etc. in PDF
documents depends on whether the PDF file has been tagged properly to allow
these accessibility features. In my experience only a small percentage of
PDF files have this tagging information included. If the heading or table
tags are not included no screenreader will be able to find them.

David Griffith
David Griffith

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Sent: 23 June 2014 09:54
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Subject: PDf's

Hello,
What is the best way to read PDF's on a Mac with Vo including
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platforms screen readers?

Thanks,

Adi.
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PDf's

[Adi Kushnir]

Hello,
What is the best way to read PDF's on a Mac with Vo including
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platforms screen readers?

Thanks,

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Re: Filling Out PDF's On The Mac

[Sarah k Alawami]

No that unlocks permissions  only. Not sure if that unlocks the adobe stuff.

Take care.
On Apr 26, 2013, at 2:27 AM, Harmony Neil  wrote:

> Can't you just go into the information when pointing at the file in the 
> finder and unprotect it? Or do you have to open the file itself to do that? I 
> can't remember since I haven't done it for a few weeks, but i know I had to 
> do it when my Spanish teacher sent me stuff that was protected.
> On 25 Apr 2013, at 23:06, Travis Siegel  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Isaac Hebert wrote:
>> 
>>> PDFs arenot accessible with voiceover at this time.
>> This is a blatent lie.  Pdfs are completely accessible on te mac with 
>> voiceover, as long as it's a real pdf, and not a scanned image of a page 
>> that was put into a pdf file.  I don't know who told you pdfs were not 
>> accessible, but whoever it was needs to be smacked.
>> Filling out pdfs may not be doable, but reading them certainly can be done, 
>> and is done regularly by many vo users.  I just spent the last 7 days 
>> reading 50+ books in pdf form, and every single one worked just fine.
>> Please do not spread nonsense before checking to see if it's true.
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Re: Filling Out PDF's On The Mac

[Harmony Neil]

Can't you just go into the information when pointing at the file in the finder 
and unprotect it? Or do you have to open the file itself to do that? I can't 
remember since I haven't done it for a few weeks, but i know I had to do it 
when my Spanish teacher sent me stuff that was protected.
On 25 Apr 2013, at 23:06, Travis Siegel  wrote:

> 
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Isaac Hebert wrote:
> 
>> PDFs arenot accessible with voiceover at this time.
> This is a blatent lie.  Pdfs are completely accessible on te mac with 
> voiceover, as long as it's a real pdf, and not a scanned image of a page that 
> was put into a pdf file.  I don't know who told you pdfs were not accessible, 
> but whoever it was needs to be smacked.
> Filling out pdfs may not be doable, but reading them certainly can be done, 
> and is done regularly by many vo users.  I just spent the last 7 days reading 
> 50+ books in pdf form, and every single one worked just fine.
> Please do not spread nonsense before checking to see if it's true.
> 
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Re: Filling Out PDF's On The Mac

[Esther]

Hi Travis, Earle, Zack, Anne, and Others,

Some PDFs for official tax forms, visa applications, etc. require using Adobe 
Acrobat or Adobe Reader, both to fill in forms and to read the documents.  I'd 
have to check my old off-list mail, but I remember this came up two years ago 
on list.  I think that to read those forms, which were UK tax forms, I ended up 
either having to do a screen capture or export to TIFF and then OCR with ABBYY 
FineReader Express, because even though they were blank forms they had some 
kind of protection that prevented VoiceOver from reading things.  The normal, 
somewhat clunky and horrible, text-to-speech controls of Adobe Reader didn't 
work here.  However, I was able to read the contents -- easiest done with Adobe 
Acrobat 8 for the mac that came free with an old scanner and the export to 
TIFF, then OCR, and sent the files back to the poster. I couldn't fill in those 
forms, though, and in those cases I couldn't read the PDFs directly.  Those 
files weren't set to open in Preview, and required usi
 ng the Adobe software.  

I don't know of an accessible way to fill out PDF forms, though, on the Mac 
using VoiceOver.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Apr 25, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:

> 
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Isaac Hebert wrote:
> 
>> PDFs arenot accessible with voiceover at this time.
> This is a blatent lie.  Pdfs are completely accessible on te mac with 
> voiceover, as long as it's a real pdf, and not a scanned image of a page that 
> was put into a pdf file.  I don't know who told you pdfs were not accessible, 
> but whoever it was needs to be smacked.
> Filling out pdfs may not be doable, but reading them certainly can be done, 
> and is done regularly by many vo users.  I just spent the last 7 days reading 
> 50+ books in pdf form, and every single one worked just fine.
> Please do not spread nonsense before checking to see if it's true.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Filling Out PDF's On The Mac

[Travis Siegel]

On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Isaac Hebert wrote:


PDFs arenot accessible with voiceover at this time.
This is a blatent lie.  Pdfs are completely accessible on te mac with  
voiceover, as long as it's a real pdf, and not a scanned image of a  
page that was put into a pdf file.  I don't know who told you pdfs  
were not accessible, but whoever it was needs to be smacked.
Filling out pdfs may not be doable, but reading them certainly can be  
done, and is done regularly by many vo users.  I just spent the last  
7 days reading 50+ books in pdf form, and every single one worked  
just fine.

Please do not spread nonsense before checking to see if it's true.


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Re: Filling Out PDF's On The Mac

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Isaac,

Here's the method described on the other list, but it doesn't work for me.

"Using Preview on the Mac, Interact with the Toolbar, press the Edit button, 
Stop Interacting with the Toolbar, navigate right to the Edit Toolbar, Interact 
with it, then select the Text tool.  Now, when you wish to enter info in an 
Edit field, navigate to it, then press VO-shift-space so that the cursor is 
activated and enter the text."

Cheers,

Anne


On 25 Apr 2013, at 17:20, Isaac Hebert  wrote:

> What method did the person from another list use?

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Re: Filling Out PDF's On The Mac

[Isaac Hebert]

What method did the person from another list use?

On 4/25/13, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> If someone could point me to a PDF form that I could use, someone has posted
> on another list a method for doing this. I'd just like to try it myself
> before making any claims.
>
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Re: Filling Out PDF's On The Mac

[Anne Robertson]

If someone could point me to a PDF form that I could use, someone has posted on 
another list a method for doing this. I'd just like to try it myself before 
making any claims.

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: Filling Out PDF's On The Mac

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PDFs arenot accessible with voiceover at this time.

On 4/24/13, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> Dear Earl,
> Regrettably, I don't know of a suitable way to do this. PDF support on the
> Mac is kind of lackluster at the moment, at least with voiceover, and it is
> a failing I hope Apple will address. In the meantime, I am unfortunately
> forced to use another operating system to fill them out.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Apr 24, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Earle  wrote:
>
>> Can anyone recommend a good app for filling out pdf forms on the Mac or on
>> an iPhone?  I know this has been brought up before but I never had to do
>> this on the Mac, so never paid attention.  Is this even possible on the
>> Mac or iPhone? Any info would be appreciated.
>> --
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Re: Filling Out PDF's On The Mac

[Zachary Kline]

Dear Earl,
Regrettably, I don't know of a suitable way to do this. PDF support on the Mac 
is kind of lackluster at the moment, at least with voiceover, and it is a 
failing I hope Apple will address. In the meantime, I am unfortunately forced 
to use another operating system to fill them out.
Best,
Zack.
On Apr 24, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Earle  wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a good app for filling out pdf forms on the Mac or on an 
> iPhone?  I know this has been brought up before but I never had to do this on 
> the Mac, so never paid attention.  Is this even possible on the Mac or 
> iPhone? Any info would be appreciated.
> --
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Filling Out PDF's On The Mac

[Earle]

Can anyone recommend a good app for filling out pdf forms on the Mac or on an 
iPhone?  I know this has been brought up before but I never had to do this on 
the Mac, so never paid attention.  Is this even possible on the Mac or iPhone? 
Any info would be appreciated.
--
Earle

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copy-protected PDF's

[William Lomas]

hi all can the mac read copy-protected PDF"s with voiceover

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