Re: preview bug revisited.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi again Zak,

I've had some odd issues with Skim recently as well where the reading is 
stilted.  I'll try to simulate below:

"the En glish cap ital is gearing up for the 20 12 oly mpic party…" etc.

Most odd indeed.

Dónal
On 24 Jul 2012, at 00:14, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi Dónal,
> I, too, am a developer, and will report this. If nothing else it might 
> convince them to mark mine as a duplicate of yours, which will bring more 
> attention to yours, one hopes. In the mean time, there is a nice PDF reader 
> called Skim which is accessible and doesn't show any of these odd reading 
> issues. More over, there are other ways to read PDF files, such as opening 
> them in Nisus Writer Pro, which I've found does a superlative job with 
> converting them into something very much like a text edit document.
> Hope this helps,
> Zack.
> On Jul 23, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hey Zak,
>> 
>> Thanks for the confirmation.  I've reported this numerous times; in fact 
>> each time the OS is updated (and I'm a dev so I see the pre-release builds 
>> as well) I update the bug but alas tis ignored.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 24 Jul 2012, at 00:06, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Dónal,
>>> I, too, experience this, and have no real insight as to what exactly the 
>>> problem is. It baffles me, as when I was using Snow Leopard Preview worked 
>>> quite handily. I've occasionally been able to get variations in the odd 
>>> output, but nothing consistent. I would report this to Apple, and urge them 
>>> to fix this odd behavior asap.
>>> Yours,
>>> Zack.
>>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Evening all,
 
 I've been playing with some new machines recently and I've come to the 
 conclusion that preview is badly broken.
 
 On every single mac (all running Lion) preview when used in conjunction 
 with voiceover does not seem to function correctly.
 
 I have my view set to single page, and either outline view or thumbnails.  
 I open a PDF and attempt to read.  All seems well except that Voiceover 
 does not read all text which is visible on-screen.  I have had my wife, 
 who has normal eyesight and does not use assistive technology, read a page 
 from the "about stacks" file or "about downloads" file which come as part 
 of each new install.  In all cases, voiceover is missing the last chunk of 
 text.
 
 I have tried zooming in/out, resizing windows…. you name it but I can't 
 figure out a way to solve this.  I'm presuming I'm not unique and others 
 are experiencing this?  The reason I assume this is that I have tried 
 Preview on a 27" iMac straight out of the box (and with no customisations) 
 and an Air in exactly the same state.  Sorry, obviously I customise the 
 preview "view" slightly to be the same in all cases.
 
 Thoughts of others would be interesting.
 
 Dónal
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Re: preview bug revisited.

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Dónal,
I, too, am a developer, and will report this. If nothing else it might convince 
them to mark mine as a duplicate of yours, which will bring more attention to 
yours, one hopes. In the mean time, there is a nice PDF reader called Skim 
which is accessible and doesn't show any of these odd reading issues. More 
over, there are other ways to read PDF files, such as opening them in Nisus 
Writer Pro, which I've found does a superlative job with converting them into 
something very much like a text edit document.
Hope this helps,
Zack.
On Jul 23, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
wrote:

> Hey Zak,
> 
> Thanks for the confirmation.  I've reported this numerous times; in fact each 
> time the OS is updated (and I'm a dev so I see the pre-release builds as 
> well) I update the bug but alas tis ignored.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Dónal
> On 24 Jul 2012, at 00:06, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
>> Dear Dónal,
>> I, too, experience this, and have no real insight as to what exactly the 
>> problem is. It baffles me, as when I was using Snow Leopard Preview worked 
>> quite handily. I've occasionally been able to get variations in the odd 
>> output, but nothing consistent. I would report this to Apple, and urge them 
>> to fix this odd behavior asap.
>> Yours,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Evening all,
>>> 
>>> I've been playing with some new machines recently and I've come to the 
>>> conclusion that preview is badly broken.
>>> 
>>> On every single mac (all running Lion) preview when used in conjunction 
>>> with voiceover does not seem to function correctly.
>>> 
>>> I have my view set to single page, and either outline view or thumbnails.  
>>> I open a PDF and attempt to read.  All seems well except that Voiceover 
>>> does not read all text which is visible on-screen.  I have had my wife, who 
>>> has normal eyesight and does not use assistive technology, read a page from 
>>> the "about stacks" file or "about downloads" file which come as part of 
>>> each new install.  In all cases, voiceover is missing the last chunk of 
>>> text.
>>> 
>>> I have tried zooming in/out, resizing windows…. you name it but I can't 
>>> figure out a way to solve this.  I'm presuming I'm not unique and others 
>>> are experiencing this?  The reason I assume this is that I have tried 
>>> Preview on a 27" iMac straight out of the box (and with no customisations) 
>>> and an Air in exactly the same state.  Sorry, obviously I customise the 
>>> preview "view" slightly to be the same in all cases.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts of others would be interesting.
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> Dónal Fitzpatrick
>>> dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: preview bug revisited.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hey Zak,

Thanks for the confirmation.  I've reported this numerous times; in fact each 
time the OS is updated (and I'm a dev so I see the pre-release builds as well) 
I update the bug but alas tis ignored.

cheers,

Dónal
On 24 Jul 2012, at 00:06, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Dear Dónal,
> I, too, experience this, and have no real insight as to what exactly the 
> problem is. It baffles me, as when I was using Snow Leopard Preview worked 
> quite handily. I've occasionally been able to get variations in the odd 
> output, but nothing consistent. I would report this to Apple, and urge them 
> to fix this odd behavior asap.
> Yours,
> Zack.
> On Jul 23, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
>> Evening all,
>> 
>> I've been playing with some new machines recently and I've come to the 
>> conclusion that preview is badly broken.
>> 
>> On every single mac (all running Lion) preview when used in conjunction with 
>> voiceover does not seem to function correctly.
>> 
>> I have my view set to single page, and either outline view or thumbnails.  I 
>> open a PDF and attempt to read.  All seems well except that Voiceover does 
>> not read all text which is visible on-screen.  I have had my wife, who has 
>> normal eyesight and does not use assistive technology, read a page from the 
>> "about stacks" file or "about downloads" file which come as part of each new 
>> install.  In all cases, voiceover is missing the last chunk of text.
>> 
>> I have tried zooming in/out, resizing windows…. you name it but I can't 
>> figure out a way to solve this.  I'm presuming I'm not unique and others are 
>> experiencing this?  The reason I assume this is that I have tried Preview on 
>> a 27" iMac straight out of the box (and with no customisations) and an Air 
>> in exactly the same state.  Sorry, obviously I customise the preview "view" 
>> slightly to be the same in all cases.
>> 
>> Thoughts of others would be interesting.
>> 
>> Dónal
>> Dónal Fitzpatrick
>> dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
>> 
>> 
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Re: preview bug revisited.

[Zachary Kline]

Dear Dónal,
I, too, experience this, and have no real insight as to what exactly the 
problem is. It baffles me, as when I was using Snow Leopard Preview worked 
quite handily. I've occasionally been able to get variations in the odd output, 
but nothing consistent. I would report this to Apple, and urge them to fix this 
odd behavior asap.
Yours,
Zack.
On Jul 23, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
wrote:

> Evening all,
> 
> I've been playing with some new machines recently and I've come to the 
> conclusion that preview is badly broken.
> 
> On every single mac (all running Lion) preview when used in conjunction with 
> voiceover does not seem to function correctly.
> 
> I have my view set to single page, and either outline view or thumbnails.  I 
> open a PDF and attempt to read.  All seems well except that Voiceover does 
> not read all text which is visible on-screen.  I have had my wife, who has 
> normal eyesight and does not use assistive technology, read a page from the 
> "about stacks" file or "about downloads" file which come as part of each new 
> install.  In all cases, voiceover is missing the last chunk of text.
> 
> I have tried zooming in/out, resizing windows…. you name it but I can't 
> figure out a way to solve this.  I'm presuming I'm not unique and others are 
> experiencing this?  The reason I assume this is that I have tried Preview on 
> a 27" iMac straight out of the box (and with no customisations) and an Air in 
> exactly the same state.  Sorry, obviously I customise the preview "view" 
> slightly to be the same in all cases.
> 
> Thoughts of others would be interesting.
> 
> Dónal
> Dónal Fitzpatrick
> dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
> 
> 
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Preview bug.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi all,

I've meant to post on this for some time but I kept forgetting to do so.

So here's the scenario.  I open a file in Preview (needless to say a PDF).  
There are a few things:

1.  I like to view documents in single page mode (makes referencing them in 
bibliographic entries easier).  However, each time I open the file the view is 
set to "continuous".
2.  I set VO to read each page.  HOwever, the end of each page is actually cut 
off and a brief high-pitched beep is heard.  It's usualy only the last few 
words, but can be as much as a line.

Anyone else encountered this?

Dónal
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