RE: PDf's
I will not answer your full question but just to point out that on all platforms, including Windows, the ability to navigate by heading etc. in PDF documents depends on whether the PDF file has been tagged properly to allow these accessibility features. In my experience only a small percentage of PDF files have this tagging information included. If the heading or table tags are not included no screenreader will be able to find them. David Griffith David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Adi Kushnir Sent: 23 June 2014 09:54 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: PDf's Hello, What is the best way to read PDF's on a Mac with Vo including navigation by headings, links, and so on like we are used with other platforms screen readers? Thanks, Adi. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: PDf's
Yes, that is true, but it looks like preview on the Mac does not do a very good job with pdf's. 2014-06-23 12:42 GMT+03:00, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com: I will not answer your full question but just to point out that on all platforms, including Windows, the ability to navigate by heading etc. in PDF documents depends on whether the PDF file has been tagged properly to allow these accessibility features. In my experience only a small percentage of PDF files have this tagging information included. If the heading or table tags are not included no screenreader will be able to find them. David Griffith David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Adi Kushnir Sent: 23 June 2014 09:54 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: PDf's Hello, What is the best way to read PDF's on a Mac with Vo including navigation by headings, links, and so on like we are used with other platforms screen readers? Thanks, Adi. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ -- Regards, Adi Kushnir. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: PDf's
Have you tried Skim from Source Forge, link below. http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/ - Original Message - From: Adi Kushnir adikush...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 12:57 PM Subject: Re: PDf's Yes, that is true, but it looks like preview on the Mac does not do a very good job with pdf's. 2014-06-23 12:42 GMT+03:00, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com: I will not answer your full question but just to point out that on all platforms, including Windows, the ability to navigate by heading etc. in PDF documents depends on whether the PDF file has been tagged properly to allow these accessibility features. In my experience only a small percentage of PDF files have this tagging information included. If the heading or table tags are not included no screenreader will be able to find them. David Griffith David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Adi Kushnir Sent: 23 June 2014 09:54 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: PDf's Hello, What is the best way to read PDF's on a Mac with Vo including navigation by headings, links, and so on like we are used with other platforms screen readers? Thanks, Adi. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ -- Regards, Adi Kushnir. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy
Re: PDf's
Hello Adi, Access to PDF files is an important part of my day-to-day life and I’ve tested a dozen or more PDF reading Mac apps over the past few years but have found no single app that provides anything resembling true access to properly tagged PDF files on the Mac. I assumed all PDF files must just be inherently inaccessible because my only point of reference was the limited access provided by the PDF tools available to Mac VO Users. It was only recently that I discovered how wonderfully accessible a properly created PDF file can be when read on Windows. While Preview and Skim provide basic access to PDF files on the Mac, AFAIK there is no tool on the Mac that even comes close to properly handling accessible PDF files in the way that the free Adobe Reader does on Windows. Speaking of Adobe Reader, the Mac version is essentially useless in terms of VO access. On a hopeful note, the latest version of the paid PDFpen application shows promise as the Developer specifically focussed on VO usage including making form fields accessible. I don’t think PDFpen yet provides accessible navigation by headings, etc, but it might be worth testing if PDF files are important to you. HTH, Bryan On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Adi Kushnir adikush...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that is true, but it looks like preview on the Mac does not do a very good job with pdf's. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: PDf's
Hi Brian, Thanks. So, it seems that I will have to install another operating system on my expensive Mac Book Pro to get this job done. Ok, I'll do that. Thanks, Adi. 2014-06-23 18:31 GMT+03:00, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com: Hello Adi, Access to PDF files is an important part of my day-to-day life and I've tested a dozen or more PDF reading Mac apps over the past few years but have found no single app that provides anything resembling true access to properly tagged PDF files on the Mac. I assumed all PDF files must just be inherently inaccessible because my only point of reference was the limited access provided by the PDF tools available to Mac VO Users. It was only recently that I discovered how wonderfully accessible a properly created PDF file can be when read on Windows. While Preview and Skim provide basic access to PDF files on the Mac, AFAIK there is no tool on the Mac that even comes close to properly handling accessible PDF files in the way that the free Adobe Reader does on Windows. Speaking of Adobe Reader, the Mac version is essentially useless in terms of VO access. On a hopeful note, the latest version of the paid PDFpen application shows promise as the Developer specifically focussed on VO usage including making form fields accessible. I don't think PDFpen yet provides accessible navigation by headings, etc, but it might be worth testing if PDF files are important to you. HTH, Bryan On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Adi Kushnir adikush...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that is true, but it looks like preview on the Mac does not do a very good job with pdf's. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ -- Regards, Adi Kushnir. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
