Re: Voiceover on sites with Ajax, was Re: Any progress?

2012-07-28 Thread Gordon Smith
Hello Justin

Sorry about the misunderstanding there. It was late, and I guess I took things 
a bit out of context.

But to get back to the original subject, I still can't use that site with 
VoiceOver once I get to our library. Lynne has to download the books for me as 
I can't make VO behave at all.

Gordon

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Re: Voiceover on sites with Ajax, was Re: Any progress?

2012-07-27 Thread Gordon Smith
The reason we maintain separate bookshelves is that if you buy from us, you're 
not registered with the publishers.  But, of course, anybody is at perfect 
liberty to buy from the publishers directly if they wish.  I still maintain 
though that we are offering value for money, even if the site was accessible 
with VoiceOver.  Windows users could probably use the site fine, I haven't 
tried it.  But it's a case of each to their own.  If people buy books from 
Travis, Travis handles the transactions directly.  We are, however, perfectly 
happy to provide access to people's books in the same way as if they bought 
from us directly.  All they'd have to do is send us proof of purchase and we 
could set it up.

There was one suggestion a while ago that we were making money out of people by 
doing this.  I can't deny I was pretty annoyed by that accusation because, in 
actual fact, we make nothing out of it.  We do it purely as a courtesy and the 
same goes for Travis.

If you have an account on their site, go and try to access your books.  I think 
you'll soon understand the issues.

Gordon

On 27 Jul 2012, at 08:15, Justin Ekis je...@me.com wrote:

I had wondered about this. I thought the discounted prices for Take Control 
books were of course very helpful. However, I had wondered why there was a 
separate bookshelf for us. I'm curious what kind of issues Voiceover users have 
reported with the Take Control site. I've found it easy to go there and quickly 
check to see if there have been any updates to the few books I own. I don't use 
the site much though, and I guess I just missed whatever the trouble spots are. 
If you could explain the problem, I could go back again and take a closer look. 
There might be a workaround.

Anyway, on a different note, it's good to start actively participating in this 
group again. I've always been subscribed, just kind of forgot to check any of 
my discussion list folders for quite a while.

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Re: Voiceover on sites with Ajax, was Re: Any progress?

2012-07-27 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi Gordon,

I'm a bit confused then. Where, exactly, is the problem? I'm able to see my 
current books and redownload the PDFs just fine. Can you give exact directions?

Regards,
Nicolai
On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:

 The reason we maintain separate bookshelves is that if you buy from us, 
 you're not registered with the publishers.  But, of course, anybody is at 
 perfect liberty to buy from the publishers directly if they wish.  I still 
 maintain though that we are offering value for money, even if the site was 
 accessible with VoiceOver.  Windows users could probably use the site fine, I 
 haven't tried it.  But it's a case of each to their own.  If people buy books 
 from Travis, Travis handles the transactions directly.  We are, however, 
 perfectly happy to provide access to people's books in the same way as if 
 they bought from us directly.  All they'd have to do is send us proof of 
 purchase and we could set it up.
 
 There was one suggestion a while ago that we were making money out of people 
 by doing this.  I can't deny I was pretty annoyed by that accusation because, 
 in actual fact, we make nothing out of it.  We do it purely as a courtesy and 
 the same goes for Travis.
 
 If you have an account on their site, go and try to access your books.  I 
 think you'll soon understand the issues.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 08:15, Justin Ekis je...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had wondered about this. I thought the discounted prices for Take Control 
 books were of course very helpful. However, I had wondered why there was a 
 separate bookshelf for us. I'm curious what kind of issues Voiceover users 
 have reported with the Take Control site. I've found it easy to go there and 
 quickly check to see if there have been any updates to the few books I own. I 
 don't use the site much though, and I guess I just missed whatever the 
 trouble spots are. If you could explain the problem, I could go back again 
 and take a closer look. There might be a workaround.
 
 Anyway, on a different note, it's good to start actively participating in 
 this group again. I've always been subscribed, just kind of forgot to check 
 any of my discussion list folders for quite a while.
 
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Re: Voiceover on sites with Ajax, was Re: Any progress?

2012-07-27 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi Nic

Right, maybe it depends upon how many books you have.  But if I click on our 
book heading, as in Gordon  Lynne Smith's Books, as I try to navigate the 
table all I get is repeatedly:
Click the PDf download to download your book
or something similar.  Sometimes if I'm lucky I can navigate to the PDF link to 
download the file.  But usually it's a total mess.

Gordon

On 27 Jul 2012, at 09:47, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Gordon,

I'm a bit confused then. Where, exactly, is the problem? I'm able to see my 
current books and redownload the PDFs just fine. Can you give exact directions?

Regards,
Nicolai
On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:

 The reason we maintain separate bookshelves is that if you buy from us, 
 you're not registered with the publishers.  But, of course, anybody is at 
 perfect liberty to buy from the publishers directly if they wish.  I still 
 maintain though that we are offering value for money, even if the site was 
 accessible with VoiceOver.  Windows users could probably use the site fine, I 
 haven't tried it.  But it's a case of each to their own.  If people buy books 
 from Travis, Travis handles the transactions directly.  We are, however, 
 perfectly happy to provide access to people's books in the same way as if 
 they bought from us directly.  All they'd have to do is send us proof of 
 purchase and we could set it up.
 
 There was one suggestion a while ago that we were making money out of people 
 by doing this.  I can't deny I was pretty annoyed by that accusation because, 
 in actual fact, we make nothing out of it.  We do it purely as a courtesy and 
 the same goes for Travis.
 
 If you have an account on their site, go and try to access your books.  I 
 think you'll soon understand the issues.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 08:15, Justin Ekis je...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had wondered about this. I thought the discounted prices for Take Control 
 books were of course very helpful. However, I had wondered why there was a 
 separate bookshelf for us. I'm curious what kind of issues Voiceover users 
 have reported with the Take Control site. I've found it easy to go there and 
 quickly check to see if there have been any updates to the few books I own. I 
 don't use the site much though, and I guess I just missed whatever the 
 trouble spots are. If you could explain the problem, I could go back again 
 and take a closer look. There might be a workaround.
 
 Anyway, on a different note, it's good to start actively participating in 
 this group again. I've always been subscribed, just kind of forgot to check 
 any of my discussion list folders for quite a while.
 
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Re: Voiceover on sites with Ajax, was Re: Any progress?

2012-07-27 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi,

Hmm, that's curious. Mine appear as links within the different cells. I wonder 
if that might indeed have something to do with it, then.

Regards,
Nicolai
On Jul 27, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hi Nic
 
 Right, maybe it depends upon how many books you have.  But if I click on our 
 book heading, as in Gordon  Lynne Smith's Books, as I try to navigate the 
 table all I get is repeatedly:
 Click the PDf download to download your book
 or something similar.  Sometimes if I'm lucky I can navigate to the PDF link 
 to download the file.  But usually it's a total mess.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 09:47, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Gordon,
 
 I'm a bit confused then. Where, exactly, is the problem? I'm able to see my 
 current books and redownload the PDFs just fine. Can you give exact 
 directions?
 
 Regards,
 Nicolai
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 The reason we maintain separate bookshelves is that if you buy from us, 
 you're not registered with the publishers.  But, of course, anybody is at 
 perfect liberty to buy from the publishers directly if they wish.  I still 
 maintain though that we are offering value for money, even if the site was 
 accessible with VoiceOver.  Windows users could probably use the site fine, 
 I haven't tried it.  But it's a case of each to their own.  If people buy 
 books from Travis, Travis handles the transactions directly.  We are, 
 however, perfectly happy to provide access to people's books in the same way 
 as if they bought from us directly.  All they'd have to do is send us proof 
 of purchase and we could set it up.
 
 There was one suggestion a while ago that we were making money out of people 
 by doing this.  I can't deny I was pretty annoyed by that accusation 
 because, in actual fact, we make nothing out of it.  We do it purely as a 
 courtesy and the same goes for Travis.
 
 If you have an account on their site, go and try to access your books.  I 
 think you'll soon understand the issues.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 08:15, Justin Ekis je...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had wondered about this. I thought the discounted prices for Take Control 
 books were of course very helpful. However, I had wondered why there was a 
 separate bookshelf for us. I'm curious what kind of issues Voiceover users 
 have reported with the Take Control site. I've found it easy to go there and 
 quickly check to see if there have been any updates to the few books I own. 
 I don't use the site much though, and I guess I just missed whatever the 
 trouble spots are. If you could explain the problem, I could go back again 
 and take a closer look. There might be a workaround.
 
 Anyway, on a different note, it's good to start actively participating in 
 this group again. I've always been subscribed, just kind of forgot to check 
 any of my discussion list folders for quite a while.
 
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Re: Voiceover on sites with Ajax, was Re: Any progress?

2012-07-27 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi Nic

Are you saying you can navigate the links using VoiceOver?  How many books do 
you have?  I can try and make a recording for you to demo what is happening.

Gordon


On 27 Jul 2012, at 12:11, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Hmm, that's curious. Mine appear as links within the different cells. I wonder 
if that might indeed have something to do with it, then.

Regards,
Nicolai
On Jul 27, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hi Nic
 
 Right, maybe it depends upon how many books you have.  But if I click on our 
 book heading, as in Gordon  Lynne Smith's Books, as I try to navigate the 
 table all I get is repeatedly:
 Click the PDf download to download your book
 or something similar.  Sometimes if I'm lucky I can navigate to the PDF link 
 to download the file.  But usually it's a total mess.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 09:47, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Gordon,
 
 I'm a bit confused then. Where, exactly, is the problem? I'm able to see my 
 current books and redownload the PDFs just fine. Can you give exact 
 directions?
 
 Regards,
 Nicolai
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 The reason we maintain separate bookshelves is that if you buy from us, 
 you're not registered with the publishers.  But, of course, anybody is at 
 perfect liberty to buy from the publishers directly if they wish.  I still 
 maintain though that we are offering value for money, even if the site was 
 accessible with VoiceOver.  Windows users could probably use the site fine, 
 I haven't tried it.  But it's a case of each to their own.  If people buy 
 books from Travis, Travis handles the transactions directly.  We are, 
 however, perfectly happy to provide access to people's books in the same way 
 as if they bought from us directly.  All they'd have to do is send us proof 
 of purchase and we could set it up.
 
 There was one suggestion a while ago that we were making money out of people 
 by doing this.  I can't deny I was pretty annoyed by that accusation 
 because, in actual fact, we make nothing out of it.  We do it purely as a 
 courtesy and the same goes for Travis.
 
 If you have an account on their site, go and try to access your books.  I 
 think you'll soon understand the issues.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 08:15, Justin Ekis je...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had wondered about this. I thought the discounted prices for Take Control 
 books were of course very helpful. However, I had wondered why there was a 
 separate bookshelf for us. I'm curious what kind of issues Voiceover users 
 have reported with the Take Control site. I've found it easy to go there and 
 quickly check to see if there have been any updates to the few books I own. 
 I don't use the site much though, and I guess I just missed whatever the 
 trouble spots are. If you could explain the problem, I could go back again 
 and take a closer look. There might be a workaround.
 
 Anyway, on a different note, it's good to start actively participating in 
 this group again. I've always been subscribed, just kind of forgot to check 
 any of my discussion list folders for quite a while.
 
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Re: Voiceover on sites with Ajax, was Re: Any progress?

2012-07-27 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi Gordon,

I only have one book, admittedly, but it shows up in the table just fine in my 
library. I've been meaning to get other titles, actually, but I just haven't 
purchased others through the Take Control site. The other books I do have I 
have received through your service.

It'd be interesting to hear a recording of this.

Regards,
Nicolai
On Jul 27, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hi Nic
 
 Are you saying you can navigate the links using VoiceOver?  How many books do 
 you have?  I can try and make a recording for you to demo what is happening.
 
 Gordon
 
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 12:11, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Hmm, that's curious. Mine appear as links within the different cells. I 
 wonder if that might indeed have something to do with it, then.
 
 Regards,
 Nicolai
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hi Nic
 
 Right, maybe it depends upon how many books you have.  But if I click on our 
 book heading, as in Gordon  Lynne Smith's Books, as I try to navigate the 
 table all I get is repeatedly:
 Click the PDf download to download your book
 or something similar.  Sometimes if I'm lucky I can navigate to the PDF link 
 to download the file.  But usually it's a total mess.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 09:47, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Gordon,
 
 I'm a bit confused then. Where, exactly, is the problem? I'm able to see my 
 current books and redownload the PDFs just fine. Can you give exact 
 directions?
 
 Regards,
 Nicolai
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 The reason we maintain separate bookshelves is that if you buy from us, 
 you're not registered with the publishers.  But, of course, anybody is at 
 perfect liberty to buy from the publishers directly if they wish.  I still 
 maintain though that we are offering value for money, even if the site was 
 accessible with VoiceOver.  Windows users could probably use the site fine, 
 I haven't tried it.  But it's a case of each to their own.  If people buy 
 books from Travis, Travis handles the transactions directly.  We are, 
 however, perfectly happy to provide access to people's books in the same 
 way as if they bought from us directly.  All they'd have to do is send us 
 proof of purchase and we could set it up.
 
 There was one suggestion a while ago that we were making money out of 
 people by doing this.  I can't deny I was pretty annoyed by that accusation 
 because, in actual fact, we make nothing out of it.  We do it purely as a 
 courtesy and the same goes for Travis.
 
 If you have an account on their site, go and try to access your books.  I 
 think you'll soon understand the issues.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 08:15, Justin Ekis je...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had wondered about this. I thought the discounted prices for Take Control 
 books were of course very helpful. However, I had wondered why there was a 
 separate bookshelf for us. I'm curious what kind of issues Voiceover users 
 have reported with the Take Control site. I've found it easy to go there 
 and quickly check to see if there have been any updates to the few books I 
 own. I don't use the site much though, and I guess I just missed whatever 
 the trouble spots are. If you could explain the problem, I could go back 
 again and take a closer look. There might be a workaround.
 
 Anyway, on a different note, it's good to start actively participating in 
 this group again. I've always been subscribed, just kind of forgot to check 
 any of my discussion list folders for quite a while.
 
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Re: Voiceover on sites with Ajax, was Re: Any progress?

2012-07-27 Thread Justin Ekis
Hi Nicolai,

It is possible to get books that you have purchased through the Mac-access 
service included in your library on the take control site. This is what I have 
done. Reading a book in preview, the text Check for updates at the beginning 
of the book is a link even though VO doesn't recognize it. Click this text with 
vo shift space to go to the site, and then login. This will add the book to 
your library.

Justin

On Jul 27, 2012, at 6:04 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi Gordon,
 
 I only have one book, admittedly, but it shows up in the table just fine in 
 my library. I've been meaning to get other titles, actually, but I just 
 haven't purchased others through the Take Control site. The other books I do 
 have I have received through your service.
 
 It'd be interesting to hear a recording of this.
 
 Regards,
 Nicolai
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hi Nic
 
 Are you saying you can navigate the links using VoiceOver?  How many books 
 do you have?  I can try and make a recording for you to demo what is 
 happening.
 
 Gordon
 
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 12:11, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Hmm, that's curious. Mine appear as links within the different cells. I 
 wonder if that might indeed have something to do with it, then.
 
 Regards,
 Nicolai
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hi Nic
 
 Right, maybe it depends upon how many books you have.  But if I click on 
 our book heading, as in Gordon  Lynne Smith's Books, as I try to 
 navigate the table all I get is repeatedly:
 Click the PDf download to download your book
 or something similar.  Sometimes if I'm lucky I can navigate to the PDF 
 link to download the file.  But usually it's a total mess.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 09:47, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Gordon,
 
 I'm a bit confused then. Where, exactly, is the problem? I'm able to see my 
 current books and redownload the PDFs just fine. Can you give exact 
 directions?
 
 Regards,
 Nicolai
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 The reason we maintain separate bookshelves is that if you buy from us, 
 you're not registered with the publishers.  But, of course, anybody is at 
 perfect liberty to buy from the publishers directly if they wish.  I still 
 maintain though that we are offering value for money, even if the site was 
 accessible with VoiceOver.  Windows users could probably use the site 
 fine, I haven't tried it.  But it's a case of each to their own.  If 
 people buy books from Travis, Travis handles the transactions directly.  
 We are, however, perfectly happy to provide access to people's books in 
 the same way as if they bought from us directly.  All they'd have to do is 
 send us proof of purchase and we could set it up.
 
 There was one suggestion a while ago that we were making money out of 
 people by doing this.  I can't deny I was pretty annoyed by that 
 accusation because, in actual fact, we make nothing out of it.  We do it 
 purely as a courtesy and the same goes for Travis.
 
 If you have an account on their site, go and try to access your books.  I 
 think you'll soon understand the issues.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 08:15, Justin Ekis je...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had wondered about this. I thought the discounted prices for Take 
 Control books were of course very helpful. However, I had wondered why 
 there was a separate bookshelf for us. I'm curious what kind of issues 
 Voiceover users have reported with the Take Control site. I've found it 
 easy to go there and quickly check to see if there have been any updates 
 to the few books I own. I don't use the site much though, and I guess I 
 just missed whatever the trouble spots are. If you could explain the 
 problem, I could go back again and take a closer look. There might be a 
 workaround.
 
 Anyway, on a different note, it's good to start actively participating in 
 this group again. I've always been subscribed, just kind of forgot to 
 check any of my discussion list folders for quite a while.
 
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Re: Voiceover on sites with Ajax, was Re: Any progress?

2012-07-27 Thread Gordon Smith
Justin

If you no longer require your bookshelf here, do you want me to delete it?  I 
could be wrong; but you seem to be implying that we're wasting our time and 
resources. :)

Gordon

On 27 Jul 2012, at 17:56, Justin Ekis je...@me.com wrote:

It is possible to get books that you have purchased through the Mac-access 
service included in your library on the take control site. This is what I have 
done. Reading a book in preview, the text Check for updates at the beginning 
of the book is a link even though VO doesn't recognize it. Click this text with 
vo shift space to go to the site, and then login. This will add the book to 
your library.

Justin

On Jul 27, 2012, at 6:04 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi Gordon,
 
 I only have one book, admittedly, but it shows up in the table just fine in 
 my library. I've been meaning to get other titles, actually, but I just 
 haven't purchased others through the Take Control site. The other books I do 
 have I have received through your service.
 
 It'd be interesting to hear a recording of this.
 
 Regards,
 Nicolai
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hi Nic
 
 Are you saying you can navigate the links using VoiceOver?  How many books 
 do you have?  I can try and make a recording for you to demo what is 
 happening.
 
 Gordon
 
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 12:11, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Hmm, that's curious. Mine appear as links within the different cells. I 
 wonder if that might indeed have something to do with it, then.
 
 Regards,
 Nicolai
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hi Nic
 
 Right, maybe it depends upon how many books you have.  But if I click on 
 our book heading, as in Gordon  Lynne Smith's Books, as I try to 
 navigate the table all I get is repeatedly:
 Click the PDf download to download your book
 or something similar.  Sometimes if I'm lucky I can navigate to the PDF 
 link to download the file.  But usually it's a total mess.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 09:47, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Gordon,
 
 I'm a bit confused then. Where, exactly, is the problem? I'm able to see my 
 current books and redownload the PDFs just fine. Can you give exact 
 directions?
 
 Regards,
 Nicolai
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 The reason we maintain separate bookshelves is that if you buy from us, 
 you're not registered with the publishers.  But, of course, anybody is at 
 perfect liberty to buy from the publishers directly if they wish.  I still 
 maintain though that we are offering value for money, even if the site was 
 accessible with VoiceOver.  Windows users could probably use the site 
 fine, I haven't tried it.  But it's a case of each to their own.  If 
 people buy books from Travis, Travis handles the transactions directly.  
 We are, however, perfectly happy to provide access to people's books in 
 the same way as if they bought from us directly.  All they'd have to do is 
 send us proof of purchase and we could set it up.
 
 There was one suggestion a while ago that we were making money out of 
 people by doing this.  I can't deny I was pretty annoyed by that 
 accusation because, in actual fact, we make nothing out of it.  We do it 
 purely as a courtesy and the same goes for Travis.
 
 If you have an account on their site, go and try to access your books.  I 
 think you'll soon understand the issues.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 27 Jul 2012, at 08:15, Justin Ekis je...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had wondered about this. I thought the discounted prices for Take 
 Control books were of course very helpful. However, I had wondered why 
 there was a separate bookshelf for us. I'm curious what kind of issues 
 Voiceover users have reported with the Take Control site. I've found it 
 easy to go there and quickly check to see if there have been any updates 
 to the few books I own. I don't use the site much though, and I guess I 
 just missed whatever the trouble spots are. If you could explain the 
 problem, I could go back again and take a closer look. There might be a 
 workaround.
 
 Anyway, on a different note, it's good to start actively participating in 
 this group again. I've always been subscribed, just kind of forgot to 
 check any of my discussion list folders for quite a while.
 
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