Re: programming on the mac

[Martin McCormick]

This topic interests me. What does it take to write
applications for the iphone and ipad? I don't have either one
now, but it would be fun to get an ipad someday and be able to
play with the GPS, camera and sound. I am sure there are apps
out there that nobody has thought of yet or are so specialized
that they won't get done unless I do them.

When I began learning the Apple II in 1979, I started
learning assembly language for the 6502. I did the same thing
when I moved to P.C's and wrote my own screen reader for dos. I
figured I'd rather go through the pain and expense of buying an
assembler and learn something than go through the expense of
buying a sealed box, so to speak and wishing I could tweak
things.

So, if I ever get an ipad, I want to eventually be able
to write programs for that.

What I am most familiar with right now is gcc. C builds
character but mine isn't yet built.

Sean Murphy writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Perl, ruby, Apple script are all good languages to learn basic 
> programming from. Apple Script is quite unusual compared to any other 
> language I have played with. I would suggest Ruby or Perl.
> 
> The biggest issue with programming. You have to find a project that is 
> easy enough to do, but not so difficult that it is impossible at your 
> level of skill. If you are learning, then pick something that is simple.
> 
> Programming can also include database management, web programming, system 
> calls and more.
> 
> Sean
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Re: programming on the mac

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

Perl, ruby, Apple script are all good languages to learn basic programming 
from. Apple Script is quite unusual compared to any other language I have 
played with. I would suggest Ruby or Perl.

The biggest issue with programming. You have to find a project that is easy 
enough to do, but not so difficult that it is impossible at your level of 
skill. If you are learning, then pick something that is simple.

Programming can also include database management, web programming, system calls 
and more.

Sean 
On 30/11/2011, at 1:32 AM, michael weaver wrote:

> is it possible to do programming on a mac and if so where could i start?
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Re: programming on the mac

[Lewis Alexander]

that's it.

ffrom my own experience, I use X Code to code certain products, but after that, 
I send my work off to a chap I know who can work on the GUI and between us work 
on voiceover tune ups.

I do miss the old days of C++ etc. oh well lol

oh by the way. too many ghands You're not Vishnu are you? if so, I humbly 
bow down to you.

On 29 Nov 2011, at 18:18, Travis Siegel wrote:

> It isn't (yet) possible for a voiceover user to build an apple interface from 
> start to finish without sighted assistance.  This means, that if you're 
> trying to use apple provided tools (such as interface builder) you're out of 
> luck if you want a gui and you don't have sighted help.  On the other hand,  
> it's possible to build and distribute apps built with other technologies such 
> as java, without any sighted assistance at all, since java has some gui 
> layouts that will do the work for you.  Then, there's the rennasaince 
> development tools, which you can use to generate gui screens for you without 
> need of sighted assistance.  The latest version of the renasaince system only 
> works on 10.6 and later (so leopard/tiger is out) but if you're on snow 
> leopard or lion, that's not a problem.
> On the other hand (have I run out of hands yet?)
> There's always apple scripts for simple tasks, which can generate a limited 
> gui for small programs, and there's always terminal programs wich are of 
> course not tied to any gui at all, and can be anything you like.
> The long and short of it is, if you want to use apple tools, and you want to 
> build from scratch, you'll need sighted help (and fairly knowledgeable help 
> at that) to do the job.  If you're modifying existing things, or using java, 
> you're fine.  If you're using something else, then it's possible you can do 
> it alone, but most of the time, development environments for the mac tend to 
> forget there's such thing as a non-gui interface, and we're sunk on those 
> systems, but if you search hard enough, you may find something that works.
> 
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Re: programming on the mac

[Roger Woolgrove]

Hi Michael,

I've been learning java on a couple of the other big OS with some success 
but have run into some difficulty installing any of the IDEs on my Macbook 
now I've switched to Mac.  Apple aren't quick to help as java is not their 
property.


If you want to do programming, it is worth doing some research about what is 
on offer.
For example you want to program for Mac OS then look what is on offer with 
Apple.  If it is visual games then you'll need something with a good support 
for visual effects and GUIs.
As a note, java is apparently going out of date and will soon be scrapped if 
you listen to rumour but I've found it simple enough to get a good 
understanding of programming principals.  Once the principals are in place 
and the terminology is understood, the syntax of the language should be easy 
enough to pick up.
I'm studying with the OU and have had some stress but on the whole it has 
been pretty good.
I am unaware of any good support networks for programming specifically with 
Mac and this could be a barrier.
Learning the basics is really important so learn them in the most 
comfortable environment before shutting off to a single OS.


Roger


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Subject: programming on the mac



is it possible to do programming on a mac and if so where could i start?
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Re: programming on the mac

[Travis Siegel]

It isn't (yet) possible for a voiceover user to build an apple  
interface from start to finish without sighted assistance.  This  
means, that if you're trying to use apple provided tools (such as  
interface builder) you're out of luck if you want a gui and you don't  
have sighted help.  On the other hand,  it's possible to build and  
distribute apps built with other technologies such as java, without  
any sighted assistance at all, since java has some gui layouts that  
will do the work for you.  Then, there's the rennasaince development  
tools, which you can use to generate gui screens for you without need  
of sighted assistance.  The latest version of the renasaince system  
only works on 10.6 and later (so leopard/tiger is out) but if you're  
on snow leopard or lion, that's not a problem.

On the other hand (have I run out of hands yet?)
There's always apple scripts for simple tasks, which can generate a  
limited gui for small programs, and there's always terminal programs  
wich are of course not tied to any gui at all, and can be anything  
you like.
The long and short of it is, if you want to use apple tools, and you  
want to build from scratch, you'll need sighted help (and fairly  
knowledgeable help at that) to do the job.  If you're modifying  
existing things, or using java, you're fine.  If you're using  
something else, then it's possible you can do it alone, but most of  
the time, development environments for the mac tend to forget there's  
such thing as a non-gui interface, and we're sunk on those systems,  
but if you search hard enough, you may find something that works.


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Re: programming on the mac

[Lewis Alexander]

It is possible.

if you're using OS X lion, you can download XCode for free through the app 
store.

app development takes quite a time to master and it's useful to get to grips 
with basic coding. There's some good resources in standard programming, it's 
handy to learn how the macintosh language is used, etc.

lew

On 29 Nov 2011, at 14:32, michael weaver wrote:

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