Re: Reminder Regarding List Policy

[Josh Gregory]

Come on really?  they're not bad people but don't enable people like that, they 
should at least do research  first.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, "Gordon, Lynne & Tracy"  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody
> 
> Recently we have been receiving a number of complaints regarding the on-list 
> behaviour of certain members. I would like to point out a few small items 
> regarding the behaviour of group members because it would appear that list 
> policy is sometimes not at the forefront of members minds when they write.
> 
> First of all, however, I’d like to address an issue which is persistently 
> arising. That is, members who are trying to carbon copy, (CC) other 
> addresses, or adding other addresses to the “To:” field. Either of these 
> methods of posting is what is known as “Implicit destinations”.
> 
> Many lists do not enforce the implicit destination control. But we had to 
> enable it some time ago due to the fact that a member joined our group and 
> attempted to use us as a spam relay. Implicit destinations is a technique 
> which spammers use to propagate their malicious or otherwise offensive 
> content.
> 
> So basically, let me spell it out for the benefit of new or recently new 
> members. You cannot add Mac Access as either a secondary or a primary address 
> in a message which you want to send to other groups or to individuals. Both 
> of these methods are trapped by our server and are flagged for our attention.
> 
> If you believe you have a good reason for doing this on a specific occasion, 
> you are free to contact us to provide an explanation, and we may opt to use 
> our discretion and allow the message through that time. However, routinely we 
> indiscriminately reject such messages without question.
> 
> So, if you want your message to hit the group, don’t use implicit 
> destinations. It really is as simple as that.
> 
> Next, I’d like to remind members that it is not appropriate for group members 
> to reprimand others for their comment/suggestions/whatever on list.  If you 
> have any issue with another member’s post, please, in the first instance, 
> take it up with the author of the message privately. If you still cannot 
> reach a satisfactory resolution, feel free to write to us here at Mac Access 
> Support, including a copy of the message which gave you cause for complaint. 
> Including the message in question is always helpful now because there is a 
> very much higher volume of traffic on this list now than there was 12 months 
> ago. Also, we don’t have as much time to administrate the group as we once 
> did, and we currently have no assistance in this regard from others. The time 
> factor is the primary reason for our silence on list of late.
> 
> Thirdly, I’d like to remind list members that it is not appropriate for 
> sarcastic or demeaning responses to people’s questions on this list. Usually, 
> if somebody asks a question, it is for genuine reasons. Not everybody has the 
> time or even the ability to trawl through dozens of websites and web pages 
> looking for the answers to their questions. This list exists as a mutually 
> beneficial self-help forum. What may seem obvious to one person may not seem 
> so to another. It is totally wrong for more experienced or more abled members 
> to demean others who are less so because they ask a question.
> 
> That having been said, I would like to point out that this group does have 
> two very extensive archives which members may find useful in their quest for 
> information. Sometimes, just posing a question in the search engine at the 
> archive sites can prove to be the jackpot and provide the answers which saves 
> a lot of time and frustration on the part of the member with the question. 
> The archive addresses are at the foot of each and every message posted to 
> this group. As are the self-help addresses for those wishing to amend or even 
> remove their subscription.
> 
> Rudeness to others will also not be tolerated on this list. We clearly state 
> this in the list policy document which each and every member was sent when 
> they joined the group. Should you need to review the most up-to-date list 
> policy document, feel free. There are a couple of ways to do this. You can 
> request that the list policy document be sent to you again by E-Mail using 
> the server’s request address. Alternatively, you can visit the web page 
> containing the policy document directly buy pointing your browser to:
> 
> which is always the most up-to-date policy document.
> 
> We are currently undertaking a review of recent traffic and will take any 
> appropriate action based on any on-list behaviour which constitutes a 
> significant breech of list policy. Mac Access was founded in 2007 by Gordon 
> because he wasn’t happy with the alternative resources out there. We want Mac 
> Access to remain a portal where members new and old may interact in

Reminder Regarding List Policy

[Gordon, Lynne & Tracy]

Hello everybody

Recently we have been receiving a number of complaints regarding the on-list 
behaviour of certain members. I would like to point out a few small items 
regarding the behaviour of group members because it would appear that list 
policy is sometimes not at the forefront of members minds when they write.

First of all, however, I’d like to address an issue which is persistently 
arising. That is, members who are trying to carbon copy, (CC) other addresses, 
or adding other addresses to the “To:” field. Either of these methods of 
posting is what is known as “Implicit destinations”.

Many lists do not enforce the implicit destination control. But we had to 
enable it some time ago due to the fact that a member joined our group and 
attempted to use us as a spam relay. Implicit destinations is a technique which 
spammers use to propagate their malicious or otherwise offensive content.

So basically, let me spell it out for the benefit of new or recently new 
members. You cannot add Mac Access as either a secondary or a primary address 
in a message which you want to send to other groups or to individuals. Both of 
these methods are trapped by our server and are flagged for our attention.

If you believe you have a good reason for doing this on a specific occasion, 
you are free to contact us to provide an explanation, and we may opt to use our 
discretion and allow the message through that time. However, routinely we 
indiscriminately reject such messages without question.

So, if you want your message to hit the group, don’t use implicit destinations. 
It really is as simple as that.

Next, I’d like to remind members that it is not appropriate for group members 
to reprimand others for their comment/suggestions/whatever on list.  If you 
have any issue with another member’s post, please, in the first instance, take 
it up with the author of the message privately. If you still cannot reach a 
satisfactory resolution, feel free to write to us here at Mac Access Support, 
including a copy of the message which gave you cause for complaint. Including 
the message in question is always helpful now because there is a very much 
higher volume of traffic on this list now than there was 12 months ago. Also, 
we don’t have as much time to administrate the group as we once did, and we 
currently have no assistance in this regard from others. The time factor is the 
primary reason for our silence on list of late.

Thirdly, I’d like to remind list members that it is not appropriate for 
sarcastic or demeaning responses to people’s questions on this list. Usually, 
if somebody asks a question, it is for genuine reasons. Not everybody has the 
time or even the ability to trawl through dozens of websites and web pages 
looking for the answers to their questions. This list exists as a mutually 
beneficial self-help forum. What may seem obvious to one person may not seem so 
to another. It is totally wrong for more experienced or more abled members to 
demean others who are less so because they ask a question.

That having been said, I would like to point out that this group does have two 
very extensive archives which members may find useful in their quest for 
information. Sometimes, just posing a question in the search engine at the 
archive sites can prove to be the jackpot and provide the answers which saves a 
lot of time and frustration on the part of the member with the question. The 
archive addresses are at the foot of each and every message posted to this 
group. As are the self-help addresses for those wishing to amend or even remove 
their subscription.

Rudeness to others will also not be tolerated on this list. We clearly state 
this in the list policy document which each and every member was sent when they 
joined the group. Should you need to review the most up-to-date list policy 
document, feel free. There are a couple of ways to do this. You can request 
that the list policy document be sent to you again by E-Mail using the server’s 
request address. Alternatively, you can visit the web page containing the 
policy document directly buy pointing your browser to:

which is always the most up-to-date policy document.

We are currently undertaking a review of recent traffic and will take any 
appropriate action based on any on-list behaviour which constitutes a 
significant breech of list policy. Mac Access was founded in 2007 by Gordon 
because he wasn’t happy with the alternative resources out there. We want Mac 
Access to remain a portal where members new and old may interact in an 
easy-going and friendly fashion. The personal touch, in other words, not just 
the flaming and bad-mouthing which we know happens in certain other groups.

Thank you for your time, and we hope that you continue to enjoy your membership 
of Mac Access. You can be assured that there’s always somebody on the other end 
of the line, so to speak, if you reall