Re: Python programming on the Mac.
Zachary Do you have any documentation on how to get EmacSpeak to work on the Mac? Does it work with Mac voices? On 13/01/2014, at 10:31 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Emacs or another programmer’s text editor will certainly be able to do this, but the problem of VoiceOVer accessibility will still be there. I’ve managed to get Emacspeak working on the Mac, but it wasn’t the most intuitive process as far as I recall. I do recommend it though, contrary to the common perception I’ve found it a pretty great working environment once you get it running Best, Zack. On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote: Well, I don't use it, but from what I'm told, emacs can do this. How you'd set it up, or how well it works is unknown to me, but if you want to go that route, let us know how it works out. I honestly have no desire to use emacs, (I've managed to avoid using it for the last 25+ years, and I certainly have no desire to start using it now, so I can't help you in that endeavour should you opt for it. The only way I know of to get indentation working properly is to set your tab stops in text edit to be the number of spaces you want each indentation level to be, then just pound away on the tab key the required number of times until you're at the indentation level desired. I use a proprietary programming language to program diy hardware projects, and it (like python) requires indentation to denote execution levels, and it's a real pain for me to read someone else's code, though writing my own is easy enough. At one point, I'd considered writing a precompiler program that would go through my source, and produce the proper indentation levels based on tags I'd place in the code, but then I figured out it's easier (for me at least) to just control the indentation levels myself, though I think it may be useful for other people's code, so I may go ahead and write the thing anyway, just so I can finally have a definite picture of unknown code and indentation levels. On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Sean Murphy wrote: Travis, I have managed to work out how to do proper debugging with in python which means I don't necessarily have to have all those print statements. Only thing I would like to find is a good editor that would tell me the indents. Voice-Over doesn't give you this information. Sean On 06/01/2014, at 3:42 AM, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote: Heh. Good luck with that. Python isn't a programming language per se. It's really more of a scripting language. As such, the typical tools used for debugging (gdb and friends) won't work. Really, you need to approach it the same way you would if you were programming in an interpreted basic environment. Put print statements all over the place, and make it tell you what the variables are at any given time. Php is like this too, sometimes it's hard to know what's going on, especially if it's a production environment, and error messages aren't printed (for security purposes of course) The only thing you can do is springle print statements liberally through out the code, and hope they tell you what you need to know. Not what you wanted to hear I'm sure, but it's the best you can do under the circumstances. On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Sean Murphy wrote: All. I am seeking for people who are programming in Python on the Mac. I am trying to find a method of debugging Python script. Any help on this is more then welcomed. Sean --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/.
Re: Python programming on the Mac.
Travis, I have managed to work out how to do proper debugging with in python which means I don't necessarily have to have all those print statements. Only thing I would like to find is a good editor that would tell me the indents. Voice-Over doesn't give you this information. Sean On 06/01/2014, at 3:42 AM, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote: Heh. Good luck with that. Python isn't a programming language per se. It's really more of a scripting language. As such, the typical tools used for debugging (gdb and friends) won't work. Really, you need to approach it the same way you would if you were programming in an interpreted basic environment. Put print statements all over the place, and make it tell you what the variables are at any given time. Php is like this too, sometimes it's hard to know what's going on, especially if it's a production environment, and error messages aren't printed (for security purposes of course) The only thing you can do is springle print statements liberally through out the code, and hope they tell you what you need to know. Not what you wanted to hear I'm sure, but it's the best you can do under the circumstances. On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Sean Murphy wrote: All. I am seeking for people who are programming in Python on the Mac. I am trying to find a method of debugging Python script. Any help on this is more then welcomed. Sean --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Python programming on the Mac.
Well, I don't use it, but from what I'm told, emacs can do this. How you'd set it up, or how well it works is unknown to me, but if you want to go that route, let us know how it works out. I honestly have no desire to use emacs, (I've managed to avoid using it for the last 25+ years, and I certainly have no desire to start using it now, so I can't help you in that endeavour should you opt for it. The only way I know of to get indentation working properly is to set your tab stops in text edit to be the number of spaces you want each indentation level to be, then just pound away on the tab key the required number of times until you're at the indentation level desired. I use a proprietary programming language to program diy hardware projects, and it (like python) requires indentation to denote execution levels, and it's a real pain for me to read someone else's code, though writing my own is easy enough. At one point, I'd considered writing a precompiler program that would go through my source, and produce the proper indentation levels based on tags I'd place in the code, but then I figured out it's easier (for me at least) to just control the indentation levels myself, though I think it may be useful for other people's code, so I may go ahead and write the thing anyway, just so I can finally have a definite picture of unknown code and indentation levels. On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Sean Murphy wrote: Travis, I have managed to work out how to do proper debugging with in python which means I don't necessarily have to have all those print statements. Only thing I would like to find is a good editor that would tell me the indents. Voice-Over doesn't give you this information. Sean On 06/01/2014, at 3:42 AM, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote: Heh. Good luck with that. Python isn't a programming language per se. It's really more of a scripting language. As such, the typical tools used for debugging (gdb and friends) won't work. Really, you need to approach it the same way you would if you were programming in an interpreted basic environment. Put print statements all over the place, and make it tell you what the variables are at any given time. Php is like this too, sometimes it's hard to know what's going on, especially if it's a production environment, and error messages aren't printed (for security purposes of course) The only thing you can do is springle print statements liberally through out the code, and hope they tell you what you need to know. Not what you wanted to hear I'm sure, but it's the best you can do under the circumstances. On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Sean Murphy wrote: All. I am seeking for people who are programming in Python on the Mac. I am trying to find a method of debugging Python script. Any help on this is more then welcomed. Sean --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac- Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to
Re: Python programming on the Mac.
Emacs or another programmer’s text editor will certainly be able to do this, but the problem of VoiceOVer accessibility will still be there. I’ve managed to get Emacspeak working on the Mac, but it wasn’t the most intuitive process as far as I recall. I do recommend it though, contrary to the common perception I’ve found it a pretty great working environment once you get it running Best, Zack. On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote: Well, I don't use it, but from what I'm told, emacs can do this. How you'd set it up, or how well it works is unknown to me, but if you want to go that route, let us know how it works out. I honestly have no desire to use emacs, (I've managed to avoid using it for the last 25+ years, and I certainly have no desire to start using it now, so I can't help you in that endeavour should you opt for it. The only way I know of to get indentation working properly is to set your tab stops in text edit to be the number of spaces you want each indentation level to be, then just pound away on the tab key the required number of times until you're at the indentation level desired. I use a proprietary programming language to program diy hardware projects, and it (like python) requires indentation to denote execution levels, and it's a real pain for me to read someone else's code, though writing my own is easy enough. At one point, I'd considered writing a precompiler program that would go through my source, and produce the proper indentation levels based on tags I'd place in the code, but then I figured out it's easier (for me at least) to just control the indentation levels myself, though I think it may be useful for other people's code, so I may go ahead and write the thing anyway, just so I can finally have a definite picture of unknown code and indentation levels. On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Sean Murphy wrote: Travis, I have managed to work out how to do proper debugging with in python which means I don't necessarily have to have all those print statements. Only thing I would like to find is a good editor that would tell me the indents. Voice-Over doesn't give you this information. Sean On 06/01/2014, at 3:42 AM, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote: Heh. Good luck with that. Python isn't a programming language per se. It's really more of a scripting language. As such, the typical tools used for debugging (gdb and friends) won't work. Really, you need to approach it the same way you would if you were programming in an interpreted basic environment. Put print statements all over the place, and make it tell you what the variables are at any given time. Php is like this too, sometimes it's hard to know what's going on, especially if it's a production environment, and error messages aren't printed (for security purposes of course) The only thing you can do is springle print statements liberally through out the code, and hope they tell you what you need to know. Not what you wanted to hear I'm sure, but it's the best you can do under the circumstances. On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Sean Murphy wrote: All. I am seeking for people who are programming in Python on the Mac. I am trying to find a method of debugging Python script. Any help on this is more then welcomed. Sean --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the
Re: Python programming on the Mac.
Heh. Good luck with that. Python isn't a programming language per se. It's really more of a scripting language. As such, the typical tools used for debugging (gdb and friends) won't work. Really, you need to approach it the same way you would if you were programming in an interpreted basic environment. Put print statements all over the place, and make it tell you what the variables are at any given time. Php is like this too, sometimes it's hard to know what's going on, especially if it's a production environment, and error messages aren't printed (for security purposes of course) The only thing you can do is springle print statements liberally through out the code, and hope they tell you what you need to know. Not what you wanted to hear I'm sure, but it's the best you can do under the circumstances. On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Sean Murphy wrote: All. I am seeking for people who are programming in Python on the Mac. I am trying to find a method of debugging Python script. Any help on this is more then welcomed. Sean --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Python programming on the Mac.
All. I am seeking for people who are programming in Python on the Mac. I am trying to find a method of debugging Python script. Any help on this is more then welcomed. Sean --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
somewhat to, programming question on mac
Hey guys, since this i know will go into the off topic area, please email me off list at douglas.rudo...@usask.ca I have a friend who would like me to create a program that in the end will read out his motor information such as rpm speed fuel pressure oil pressure fuel gage etc. This is on his hyboosa motor bike. Now comes the redolent question. On a mac, how would i program for this end result. any pointers to look for the information how to program in this situation? i want to avoid the dreaded other os, so i want to keep it programming in mac, but i don't know if i can. please help!!! thank you! again, gordon lynne and tracey, I'm sorry if this is ot but you guys are the brains in mac, someone has to have an understanding in program creation :) thnks NOTICE Contents of this email may be confidential or personally identifying. redistribution of this email message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message by mistake, you are requested to destroy the message and notify the sender immediately. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: programming on the mac
This topic interests me. What does it take to write applications for the iphone and ipad? I don't have either one now, but it would be fun to get an ipad someday and be able to play with the GPS, camera and sound. I am sure there are apps out there that nobody has thought of yet or are so specialized that they won't get done unless I do them. When I began learning the Apple II in 1979, I started learning assembly language for the 6502. I did the same thing when I moved to P.C's and wrote my own screen reader for dos. I figured I'd rather go through the pain and expense of buying an assembler and learn something than go through the expense of buying a sealed box, so to speak and wishing I could tweak things. So, if I ever get an ipad, I want to eventually be able to write programs for that. What I am most familiar with right now is gcc. C builds character but mine isn't yet built. Sean Murphy writes: Hi, Perl, ruby, Apple script are all good languages to learn basic programming from. Apple Script is quite unusual compared to any other language I have played with. I would suggest Ruby or Perl. The biggest issue with programming. You have to find a project that is easy enough to do, but not so difficult that it is impossible at your level of skill. If you are learning, then pick something that is simple. Programming can also include database management, web programming, system calls and more. Sean --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: programming on the mac
Hi, Perl, ruby, Apple script are all good languages to learn basic programming from. Apple Script is quite unusual compared to any other language I have played with. I would suggest Ruby or Perl. The biggest issue with programming. You have to find a project that is easy enough to do, but not so difficult that it is impossible at your level of skill. If you are learning, then pick something that is simple. Programming can also include database management, web programming, system calls and more. Sean On 30/11/2011, at 1:32 AM, michael weaver wrote: is it possible to do programming on a mac and if so where could i start? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
programming on the mac
is it possible to do programming on a mac and if so where could i start? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: programming on the mac
It isn't (yet) possible for a voiceover user to build an apple interface from start to finish without sighted assistance. This means, that if you're trying to use apple provided tools (such as interface builder) you're out of luck if you want a gui and you don't have sighted help. On the other hand, it's possible to build and distribute apps built with other technologies such as java, without any sighted assistance at all, since java has some gui layouts that will do the work for you. Then, there's the rennasaince development tools, which you can use to generate gui screens for you without need of sighted assistance. The latest version of the renasaince system only works on 10.6 and later (so leopard/tiger is out) but if you're on snow leopard or lion, that's not a problem. On the other hand (have I run out of hands yet?) There's always apple scripts for simple tasks, which can generate a limited gui for small programs, and there's always terminal programs wich are of course not tied to any gui at all, and can be anything you like. The long and short of it is, if you want to use apple tools, and you want to build from scratch, you'll need sighted help (and fairly knowledgeable help at that) to do the job. If you're modifying existing things, or using java, you're fine. If you're using something else, then it's possible you can do it alone, but most of the time, development environments for the mac tend to forget there's such thing as a non-gui interface, and we're sunk on those systems, but if you search hard enough, you may find something that works. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: programming on the mac
Hi Michael, I've been learning java on a couple of the other big OS with some success but have run into some difficulty installing any of the IDEs on my Macbook now I've switched to Mac. Apple aren't quick to help as java is not their property. If you want to do programming, it is worth doing some research about what is on offer. For example you want to program for Mac OS then look what is on offer with Apple. If it is visual games then you'll need something with a good support for visual effects and GUIs. As a note, java is apparently going out of date and will soon be scrapped if you listen to rumour but I've found it simple enough to get a good understanding of programming principals. Once the principals are in place and the terminology is understood, the syntax of the language should be easy enough to pick up. I'm studying with the OU and have had some stress but on the whole it has been pretty good. I am unaware of any good support networks for programming specifically with Mac and this could be a barrier. Learning the basics is really important so learn them in the most comfortable environment before shutting off to a single OS. Roger - Original Message - From: michael weaver weavermi...@googlemail.com To: mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 2:32 PM Subject: programming on the mac is it possible to do programming on a mac and if so where could i start? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: programming on the mac
that's it. ffrom my own experience, I use X Code to code certain products, but after that, I send my work off to a chap I know who can work on the GUI and between us work on voiceover tune ups. I do miss the old days of C++ etc. oh well lol oh by the way. too many ghands You're not Vishnu are you? if so, I humbly bow down to you. On 29 Nov 2011, at 18:18, Travis Siegel wrote: It isn't (yet) possible for a voiceover user to build an apple interface from start to finish without sighted assistance. This means, that if you're trying to use apple provided tools (such as interface builder) you're out of luck if you want a gui and you don't have sighted help. On the other hand, it's possible to build and distribute apps built with other technologies such as java, without any sighted assistance at all, since java has some gui layouts that will do the work for you. Then, there's the rennasaince development tools, which you can use to generate gui screens for you without need of sighted assistance. The latest version of the renasaince system only works on 10.6 and later (so leopard/tiger is out) but if you're on snow leopard or lion, that's not a problem. On the other hand (have I run out of hands yet?) There's always apple scripts for simple tasks, which can generate a limited gui for small programs, and there's always terminal programs wich are of course not tied to any gui at all, and can be anything you like. The long and short of it is, if you want to use apple tools, and you want to build from scratch, you'll need sighted help (and fairly knowledgeable help at that) to do the job. If you're modifying existing things, or using java, you're fine. If you're using something else, then it's possible you can do it alone, but most of the time, development environments for the mac tend to forget there's such thing as a non-gui interface, and we're sunk on those systems, but if you search hard enough, you may find something that works. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Mr. L. Alexander. Free Macs For The Blind. E-Mail: freemacsfortheb...@mac-access.net Direct line: 07936 877500 Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help anybody disabled with anything Apple! http://www.mac-access.net --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
