Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[william lomas]

still too expensive in the UK so i wait till next yea ran d buy one sim free 
when contract up I think just paying through the nose now for minutes and texts 
id on't use 

On Oct 8, 2011, at 12:46 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Yep I do tht every month and it helps a lot for my battery life. and I'm not 
> usually on the phoen for more then a few minutes not 12 hours like I was one 
> time. I did cheat on that but i willnot tell you all how lol!
> 
> Take care all.
> On Oct 7, 2011, at 2:16 PM, william lomas wrote:
> 
>> let it drain completely flat and then recharge completely to 100
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:06 PM, Matthew Chao wrote:
>> 
>>> How does one recalibrate the battery?
>>> 
>>> Matthew Chao
>>> 
>>> At 11:53 AM 10/7/2011, you wrote:
>>>> lol. when I had the iphone3gs I went from 100 to dead in about 6 hours and 
>>>> that was with it doing nothing. Now I can just leave it locked when I'm 
>>>> sleepign and still stick at 100. Pluss I recalabrage my battery every 
>>>> month.
>>>> 
>>>> Take care.
>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:37 PM, douglas rudolph wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> hey, really the iphone 4g, and 4s has a worse battery then the 3gs?.. for 
>>>>> real?... i can get about 10 hours of moderate usage, if im only 
>>>>> texting... if im using 3g or wifi, it will obviously decrease horribley, 
>>>>> but still,.. wow
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>>>>> - Original Message - From: "william lomas" 
>>>>> 
>>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:34 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on 
>>>>>> 3g
>>>>>> ridiculous
>>>>>> so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra 
>>>>>> hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with 
>>>>>> screen curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding 
>>>>>>> down the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That 
>>>>>>> functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice 
>>>>>>> assistant launches, you can use it for the very same.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
>>>>>>> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is 
>>>>>>> definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you 
>>>>>>> already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast 
>>>>>>> it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri 
>>>>>>> then you might as well stick with what you have.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
>>>>>>> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't 
>>>>>>> necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can 
>>>>>>> sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely 
>>>>>>> untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more processing 
>>>>>>> power into a device with reasonably good results if the chip itself is 
>>>>>>> capable of reducing battery consumption.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. E

Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[Sarah Alawami]

Yep I do tht every month and it helps a lot for my battery life. and I'm not 
usually on the phoen for more then a few minutes not 12 hours like I was one 
time. I did cheat on that but i willnot tell you all how lol!

Take care all.
On Oct 7, 2011, at 2:16 PM, william lomas wrote:

> let it drain completely flat and then recharge completely to 100
> 
> On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:06 PM, Matthew Chao wrote:
> 
>> How does one recalibrate the battery?
>> 
>> Matthew Chao
>> 
>> At 11:53 AM 10/7/2011, you wrote:
>>> lol. when I had the iphone3gs I went from 100 to dead in about 6 hours and 
>>> that was with it doing nothing. Now I can just leave it locked when I'm 
>>> sleepign and still stick at 100. Pluss I recalabrage my battery every month.
>>> 
>>> Take care.
>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:37 PM, douglas rudolph wrote:
>>> 
>>>> hey, really the iphone 4g, and 4s has a worse battery then the 3gs?.. for 
>>>> real?... i can get about 10 hours of moderate usage, if im only texting... 
>>>> if im using 3g or wifi, it will obviously decrease horribley, but still,.. 
>>>> wow
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>>>> - Original Message - From: "william lomas" 
>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:34 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on 
>>>>> 3g
>>>>> ridiculous
>>>>> so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra 
>>>>> hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with screen 
>>>>> curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding 
>>>>>> down the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That 
>>>>>> functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice 
>>>>>> assistant launches, you can use it for the very same.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
>>>>>> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is 
>>>>>> definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you 
>>>>>> already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd 
>>>>>> probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then 
>>>>>> you might as well stick with what you have.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
>>>>>> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
>>>>>> equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be 
>>>>>> a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you 
>>>>>> can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device 
>>>>>> with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing 
>>>>>> battery consumption.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
>>>>>> expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
>>>>>> Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
>>>>>> devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the 
>>>>>> keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially 
>>>>>> buy the phone from any country.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Nic
>>>>>&g

Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[william lomas]

let it drain completely flat and then recharge completely to 100

On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:06 PM, Matthew Chao wrote:

> How does one recalibrate the battery?
> 
> Matthew Chao
> 
> At 11:53 AM 10/7/2011, you wrote:
>> lol. when I had the iphone3gs I went from 100 to dead in about 6 hours and 
>> that was with it doing nothing. Now I can just leave it locked when I'm 
>> sleepign and still stick at 100. Pluss I recalabrage my battery every month.
>> 
>> Take care.
>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:37 PM, douglas rudolph wrote:
>> 
>> > hey, really the iphone 4g, and 4s has a worse battery then the 3gs?.. for 
>> > real?... i can get about 10 hours of moderate usage, if im only texting... 
>> > if im using 3g or wifi, it will obviously decrease horribley, but still,.. 
>> > wow
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>> > Douglas Rudolph
>> > Tel: 1306-565-2056
>> > Cell: 1306-450-0153
>> > Email: doug.c...@gmail.com
>> > - Original Message - From: "william lomas" 
>> > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:34 PM
>> > Subject: Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S
>> >
>> >
>> >> the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on 
>> >> 3g
>> >> ridiculous
>> >> so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra 
>> >> hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with screen 
>> >> curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi
>> >>>
>> >>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding 
>> >>> down the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That 
>> >>> functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice 
>> >>> assistant launches, you can use it for the very same.
>> >>>
>> >>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
>> >>> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is 
>> >>> definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you 
>> >>> already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd 
>> >>> probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then 
>> >>> you might as well stick with what you have.
>> >>>
>> >>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
>> >>> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
>> >>> equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be 
>> >>> a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you 
>> >>> can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device 
>> >>> with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing 
>> >>> battery consumption.
>> >>>
>> >>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
>> >>> expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
>> >>> Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
>> >>> devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the 
>> >>> keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially 
>> >>> buy the phone from any country.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Nic
>> >>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to 
>> >>>> upgrade from the 4 if they have one?
>> >>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will 
>> >>>> make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go 
>> >>>> buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
>> >>>

Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[Matthew Chao]

How does one recalibrate the battery?

Matthew Chao

At 11:53 AM 10/7/2011, you wrote:
lol. when I had the iphone3gs I went from 100 to dead in about 6 
hours and that was with it doing nothing. Now I can just leave it 
locked when I'm sleepign and still stick at 100. Pluss I recalabrage 
my battery every month.


Take care.
On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:37 PM, douglas rudolph wrote:

> hey, really the iphone 4g, and 4s has a worse battery then the 
3gs?.. for real?... i can get about 10 hours of moderate usage, if 
im only texting... if im using 3g or wifi, it will obviously 
decrease horribley, but still,.. wow
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> Douglas Rudolph
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> - Original Message - From: "william lomas" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:34 PM
> Subject: Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S
>
>
>> the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven 
hours on 3g

>> ridiculous
>> so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions 
one extra hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true 
even with screen curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g

>>
>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, 
holding down the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. 
That functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that 
voice assistant launches, you can use it for the very same.

>>>
>>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on 
the 3GS, compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 
4S is definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If 
you already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as 
fast it'd probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera 
or Siri then you might as well stick with what you have.

>>>
>>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, 
but reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't 
necessarily equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple 
can sometimes be a bit generous with their statistics, it's not 
entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and pack more 
processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the 
chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption.

>>>
>>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is 
hugely expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to 
Germany, and Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to 
the touchscreen devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, 
changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so 
you can potentially buy the phone from any country.

>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone 
going to upgrade from the 4 if they have one?
>>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor 
which will make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are 
nothing to go buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it 
isn't worth it.
>>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 
4, is testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should 
i spend more money just to ge that?

>>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
>>>> my upgrade is due next year not this.
>>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to 
press a button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on 
the road that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket 
hold down a button and speak then put phone away and continue on 
route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as texting 
take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts?
>>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too 
high apple need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who 
wants to spend money on a phone that hardly offers anything new?

>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to 
mac-access@mac-access.net

Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[Sarah Alawami]

lol. when I had the iphone3gs I went from 100 to dead in about 6 hours and that 
was with it doing nothing. Now I can just leave it locked when I'm sleepign and 
still stick at 100. Pluss I recalabrage my battery every month.

Take care.
On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:37 PM, douglas rudolph wrote:

> hey, really the iphone 4g, and 4s has a worse battery then the 3gs?.. for 
> real?... i can get about 10 hours of moderate usage, if im only texting... if 
> im using 3g or wifi, it will obviously decrease horribley, but still,.. wow
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> Douglas Rudolph
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> - Original Message - From: "william lomas" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:34 PM
> Subject: Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S
> 
> 
>> the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on 3g
>> ridiculous
>> so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra 
>> hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with screen 
>> curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding 
>>> down the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That functionality 
>>> isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you 
>>> can use it for the very same.
>>> 
>>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
>>> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely 
>>> worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the 
>>> iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run 
>>> fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick 
>>> with what you have.
>>> 
>>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
>>> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
>>> equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a 
>>> bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can 
>>> optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with 
>>> reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery 
>>> consumption.
>>> 
>>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
>>> expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
>>> Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
>>> devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard 
>>> layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the 
>>> phone from any country.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:
>>> 
>>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to 
>>>> upgrade from the 4 if they have one?
>>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will 
>>>> make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy 
>>>> and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
>>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is 
>>>> testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more 
>>>> money just to ge that?
>>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
>>>> my upgrade is due next year not this.
>>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a 
>>>> button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's 
>>>> great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and 
>>>> speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want 
>>>> a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, 
>>>> but what are peoples thoughts?
>>>> maybe i am missing

Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[Sarah Alawami]

Really. I get over 6 hours of tak time and all of that good stuff and about 3 
days if I'm not talking onthe phone if I don't use it for anything or lock it 
when I'm asleep. I dunno why some of us have battery issues and some don't but 
there ya go.
On Oct 6, 2011, at 4:34 PM, william lomas wrote:

> the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on 3g
> ridiculous
> so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra hour 
> it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with screen curtain 
> etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g
> 
> On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down 
>> the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't 
>> going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use 
>> it for the very same.
>> 
>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
>> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely 
>> worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the 
>> iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run 
>> fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick 
>> with what you have.
>> 
>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
>> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
>> equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a 
>> bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can 
>> optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with 
>> reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery 
>> consumption.
>> 
>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
>> expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
>> Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
>> devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard 
>> layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone 
>> from any country.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:
>> 
>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade 
>>> from the 4 if they have one?
>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make 
>>> battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an 
>>> eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is 
>>> testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more 
>>> money just to ge that?
>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. 
>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button 
>>> and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great 
>>> but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak 
>>> then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a 
>>> faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but 
>>> what are peoples thoughts?
>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need 
>>> to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on 
>>> a phone that hardly offers anything new?
>>> 
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Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[william lomas]

siri i read, supports
english
french and german
so not the other languages that the iPhone 4s itself supports like danish, 
chinese, arabic, italian so leaving a lot of users initially at least if can 
not speak english out of the loop

On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi Dónal
> 
> It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from 
> Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 16GB 
> model.
> 
> I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Nick,
>> 
>> You getting yours sim-free?  Any idea how much?
>> 
>> Regarding your other points, I agree 100%.
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding 
>>> down the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That functionality 
>>> isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you 
>>> can use it for the very same.
>>> 
>>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
>>> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely 
>>> worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the 
>>> iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run 
>>> fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick 
>>> with what you have.
>>> 
>>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
>>> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
>>> equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a 
>>> bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can 
>>> optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with 
>>> reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery 
>>> consumption.
>>> 
>>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
>>> expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
>>> Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
>>> devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard 
>>> layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the 
>>> phone from any country.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:
>>> 
 hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to 
 upgrade from the 4 if they have one?
 to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will 
 make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy 
 and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
 THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is 
 testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more 
 money just to ge that?
 all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
 my upgrade is due next year not this. 
 if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a 
 button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's 
 great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and 
 speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want 
 a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, 
 but what are peoples thoughts?
 maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need 
 to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money 
 on a phone that hardly offers anything new?
 
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Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[douglas rudolph]

hey, really the iphone 4g, and 4s has a worse battery then the 3gs?.. for 
real?... i can get about 10 hours of moderate usage, if im only texting... 
if im using 3g or wifi, it will obviously decrease horribley, but still,.. 
wow
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Subject: Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S


the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on 
3g

ridiculous
so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra 
hour it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with screen 
curtain etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g


On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:


Hi

!From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding 
down the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That 
functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice 
assistant launches, you can use it for the very same.


Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely 
worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the 
iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still 
run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well 
stick with what you have.


Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a 
bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can 
optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with 
reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery 
consumption.


In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard 
layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the 
phone from any country.


Regards,
Nic
On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:

hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to 
upgrade from the 4 if they have one?
to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will 
make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go 
buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is 
testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend 
more money just to ge that?

all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
my upgrade is due next year not this.
if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a 
button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road 
that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a 
button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly 
but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on 
an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts?
maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple 
need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend 
money on a phone that hardly offers anything new?


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Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[william lomas]

the battery on iPhone 4 is also claimed i just read to be seven hours on 3g
ridiculous
so the 4s battery is no improvement even under best conditions one extra hour 
it is still 14 on gsm these claims do not hold true even with screen curtain 
etc. etc. etc. i only get 3 hours under 3g

On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi
> 
> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down 
> the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't 
> going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use 
> it for the very same.
> 
> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely 
> worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the 
> iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run 
> fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick 
> with what you have.
> 
> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
> equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit 
> generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can 
> optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with 
> reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery 
> consumption.
> 
> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
> expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
> Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
> devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard 
> layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone 
> from any country.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:
> 
>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade 
>> from the 4 if they have one?
>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make 
>> battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an 
>> eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is 
>> testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more 
>> money just to ge that?
>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
>> my upgrade is due next year not this. 
>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button 
>> and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great 
>> but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then 
>> put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way 
>> to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are 
>> peoples thoughts?
>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need 
>> to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on 
>> a phone that hardly offers anything new?
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Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[Orin]

I'm getting the iPhone 4S because one, it's the only one the provider I'm going 
for is selling, and two, I need an accessible phone. While I'm annoyed that the 
iPhone doesn't have a slide out keyboard, they would have to make the phone 
bigger for that and I like it's current size.
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On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:01 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I also think I will get the IPhone 4 s.
> 
> It will handle braille much faster like the IPad.
> 
> 
> Best regards Annie.Den Oct 6, 2011 kl. 12:18 PM skrev Nicolai Svendsen:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Last time I checked, that was about the right price. Extortionate, yes, but 
>> blame all our taxes that we have when we buy a product.
>> 
>> It may not be the same for you, though. In fact, it's probably not. I always 
>> get surprised every time I see a cheap product elsewhere which breaks a bank 
>> where I live.
>> 
>> It'll include the iPhone 4S, too, I'm sure. Regardless I'll be looking 
>> forward to getting it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> so about 900€?  That's extortionate!
>>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Dónal
 
 It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from 
 Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 
 16GB model.
 
 I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
> Nick,
> 
> You getting yours sim-free?  Any idea how much?
> 
> Regarding your other points, I agree 100%.
> 
> Dónal
> On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding 
>> down the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That 
>> functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice 
>> assistant launches, you can use it for the very same.
>> 
>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
>> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is 
>> definitely worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you 
>> already have the iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd 
>> probably still run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then 
>> you might as well stick with what you have.
>> 
>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
>> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
>> equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be 
>> a bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you 
>> can optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device 
>> with reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing 
>> battery consumption.
>> 
>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
>> expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
>> Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
>> devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the 
>> keyboard layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially 
>> buy the phone from any country.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:
>> 
>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to 
>>> upgrade from the 4 if they have one?
>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will 
>>> make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go 
>>> buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is 
>>> testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend 
>>> more money just to ge that?
>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. 
>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a 
>>> button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road 
>>> that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a 
>>> button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly 
>>> but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view 
>>> on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts?
>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple 
>>> need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend 
>>> money on a phone that hardly offers anything new?
>>> 
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Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi.

I also think I will get the IPhone 4 s.

It will handle braille much faster like the IPad.


Best regards Annie.Den Oct 6, 2011 kl. 12:18 PM skrev Nicolai Svendsen:

> Hi,
> 
> Last time I checked, that was about the right price. Extortionate, yes, but 
> blame all our taxes that we have when we buy a product.
> 
> It may not be the same for you, though. In fact, it's probably not. I always 
> get surprised every time I see a cheap product elsewhere which breaks a bank 
> where I live.
> 
> It'll include the iPhone 4S, too, I'm sure. Regardless I'll be looking 
> forward to getting it.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Oct 6, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> so about 900€?  That's extortionate!
>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Dónal
>>> 
>>> It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from 
>>> Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 
>>> 16GB model.
>>> 
>>> I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
 Nick,
 
 You getting yours sim-free?  Any idea how much?
 
 Regarding your other points, I agree 100%.
 
 Dónal
 On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
> Hi
> 
> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding 
> down the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That 
> functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice 
> assistant launches, you can use it for the very same.
> 
> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely 
> worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the 
> iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still 
> run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well 
> stick with what you have.
> 
> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
> equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a 
> bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can 
> optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with 
> reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery 
> consumption.
> 
> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
> expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
> Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
> devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard 
> layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the 
> phone from any country.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:
> 
>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to 
>> upgrade from the 4 if they have one?
>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will 
>> make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go 
>> buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is 
>> testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend 
>> more money just to ge that?
>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
>> my upgrade is due next year not this. 
>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a 
>> button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road 
>> that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a 
>> button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly 
>> but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on 
>> an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts?
>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple 
>> need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend 
>> money on a phone that hardly offers anything new?
>> 
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Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Nick,

Given the amount of money we owe the rest of the planet, I can guarantee you 
it'll be almost as expensive.

Cheers.
On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Last time I checked, that was about the right price. Extortionate, yes, but 
> blame all our taxes that we have when we buy a product.
> 
> It may not be the same for you, though. In fact, it's probably not. I always 
> get surprised every time I see a cheap product elsewhere which breaks a bank 
> where I live.
> 
> It'll include the iPhone 4S, too, I'm sure. Regardless I'll be looking 
> forward to getting it.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Oct 6, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> so about 900€?  That's extortionate!
>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Dónal
>>> 
>>> It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from 
>>> Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 
>>> 16GB model.
>>> 
>>> I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
 Nick,
 
 You getting yours sim-free?  Any idea how much?
 
 Regarding your other points, I agree 100%.
 
 Dónal
 On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
> Hi
> 
> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding 
> down the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That 
> functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice 
> assistant launches, you can use it for the very same.
> 
> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely 
> worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the 
> iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still 
> run fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well 
> stick with what you have.
> 
> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
> equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a 
> bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can 
> optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with 
> reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery 
> consumption.
> 
> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
> expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
> Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
> devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard 
> layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the 
> phone from any country.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:
> 
>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to 
>> upgrade from the 4 if they have one?
>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will 
>> make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go 
>> buy and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is 
>> testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend 
>> more money just to ge that?
>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
>> my upgrade is due next year not this. 
>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a 
>> button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road 
>> that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a 
>> button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly 
>> but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on 
>> an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts?
>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple 
>> need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend 
>> money on a phone that hardly offers anything new?
>> 
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Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Last time I checked, that was about the right price. Extortionate, yes, but 
blame all our taxes that we have when we buy a product.

It may not be the same for you, though. In fact, it's probably not. I always 
get surprised every time I see a cheap product elsewhere which breaks a bank 
where I live.

It'll include the iPhone 4S, too, I'm sure. Regardless I'll be looking forward 
to getting it.

Regards,
Nic
On Oct 6, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> so about 900€?  That's extortionate!
> On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dónal
>> 
>> It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from 
>> Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 16GB 
>> model.
>> 
>> I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Nick,
>>> 
>>> You getting yours sim-free?  Any idea how much?
>>> 
>>> Regarding your other points, I agree 100%.
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>> 
 Hi
 
 !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding 
 down the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That 
 functionality isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant 
 launches, you can use it for the very same.
 
 Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
 compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely 
 worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the 
 iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run 
 fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well 
 stick with what you have.
 
 Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
 reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
 equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a 
 bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can 
 optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with 
 reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery 
 consumption.
 
 In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
 expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
 Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
 devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard 
 layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the 
 phone from any country.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:
 
> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to 
> upgrade from the 4 if they have one?
> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will 
> make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy 
> and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is 
> testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more 
> money just to ge that?
> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
> my upgrade is due next year not this. 
> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a 
> button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road 
> that's great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a 
> button and speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly 
> but i do want a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on 
> an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts?
> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple 
> need to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend 
> money on a phone that hardly offers anything new?
> 
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Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

so about 900€?  That's extortionate!
On 6 Oct 2011, at 11:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi Dónal
> 
> It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from 
> Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 16GB 
> model.
> 
> I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Nick,
>> 
>> You getting yours sim-free?  Any idea how much?
>> 
>> Regarding your other points, I agree 100%.
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding 
>>> down the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That functionality 
>>> isn't going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you 
>>> can use it for the very same.
>>> 
>>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
>>> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely 
>>> worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the 
>>> iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run 
>>> fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick 
>>> with what you have.
>>> 
>>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
>>> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
>>> equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a 
>>> bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can 
>>> optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with 
>>> reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery 
>>> consumption.
>>> 
>>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
>>> expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
>>> Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
>>> devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard 
>>> layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the 
>>> phone from any country.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:
>>> 
 hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to 
 upgrade from the 4 if they have one?
 to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will 
 make battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy 
 and an eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
 THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is 
 testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more 
 money just to ge that?
 all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
 my upgrade is due next year not this. 
 if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a 
 button and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's 
 great but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and 
 speak then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want 
 a faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, 
 but what are peoples thoughts?
 maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need 
 to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money 
 on a phone that hardly offers anything new?
 
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Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi Dónal

It's probably going to run me close to $1200 over here, but buyinng from 
Germany I may be able to cut it down significantly. That's just for the 16GB 
model.

I may very well go with the same storage as my 3GS.

Regards,
Nic
On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Nick,
> 
> You getting yours sim-free?  Any idea how much?
> 
> Regarding your other points, I agree 100%.
> 
> Dónal
> On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down 
>> the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't 
>> going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use 
>> it for the very same.
>> 
>> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
>> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely 
>> worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the 
>> iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run 
>> fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick 
>> with what you have.
>> 
>> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
>> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
>> equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a 
>> bit generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can 
>> optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with 
>> reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery 
>> consumption.
>> 
>> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
>> expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
>> Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
>> devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard 
>> layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone 
>> from any country.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:
>> 
>>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade 
>>> from the 4 if they have one?
>>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make 
>>> battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an 
>>> eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
>>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is 
>>> testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more 
>>> money just to ge that?
>>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
>>> my upgrade is due next year not this. 
>>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button 
>>> and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great 
>>> but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak 
>>> then put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a 
>>> faster way to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but 
>>> what are peoples thoughts?
>>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need 
>>> to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on 
>>> a phone that hardly offers anything new?
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Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[Jonathan Tyrer]

OMG! I'm glad it's morning.

Apple is a company that produces products to sell. If you odn'don't
want to buy them, don't. Luckilly it's not yet against the law to
choos not to upgrade your phone.

I love the living in the real world bit.

God bless.

Jonathan

On 06/10/2011, william lomas  wrote:
> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade
> from the 4 if they have one?
> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make
> battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an
> eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is
> testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more
> money just to ge that?
> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
> my upgrade is due next year not this.
> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button
> and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great
> but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then
> put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way
> to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are
> peoples thoughts?
> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need
> to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on
> a phone that hardly offers anything new?
>
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Re: thoughts on iPhone 4S

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Nick,

You getting yours sim-free?  Any idea how much?

Regarding your other points, I agree 100%.

Dónal
On 6 Oct 2011, at 10:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi
> 
> !From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down 
> the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't 
> going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use 
> it for the very same.
> 
> Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, 
> compared to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely 
> worth upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the 
> iPhone 4, while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run 
> fine, and if you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick 
> with what you have.
> 
> Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but 
> reportedly better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily 
> equal sacrificing battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit 
> generous with their statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can 
> optimize battery life and pack more processing power into a device with 
> reasonably good results if the chip itself is capable of reducing battery 
> consumption.
> 
> In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely 
> expensive here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and 
> Germany is getting it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen 
> devices is that, since the keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard 
> layout gives you the keys that you need so you can potentially buy the phone 
> from any country.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:
> 
>> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade 
>> from the 4 if they have one?
>> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make 
>> battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an 
>> eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
>> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is 
>> testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more 
>> money just to ge that?
>> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
>> my upgrade is due next year not this. 
>> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button 
>> and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great 
>> but if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then 
>> put phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way 
>> to type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are 
>> peoples thoughts?
>> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need 
>> to live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on 
>> a phone that hardly offers anything new?
>> 
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[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi

!From what I remember from having an Apple headset with remote, holding down 
the play/pause button would  trigger Voice Control. That functionality isn't 
going to be stripped out, so when that voice assistant launches, you can use it 
for the very same.

Secondly, iOS 5 probably isn't going to run horribly fast on the 3GS, compared 
to the iPhone 4. For those running the 3GS, the 4S is definitely worth 
upgrading to because of the faster speed. If you already have the iPhone 4, 
while the 4S is supposedly twice as fast it'd probably still run fine, and if 
you don't need the camera or Siri then you might as well stick with what you 
have.

Battery life hasn't been made worse because of the extra power, but reportedly 
better according to the event. More power doesn't necessarily equal sacrificing 
battery life whatsoever. While Apple can sometimes be a bit generous with their 
statistics, it's not entirely untrue that you can optimize battery life and 
pack more processing power into a device with reasonably good results if the 
chip itself is capable of reducing battery consumption.

In any case, I'll be getting mine from Germany. Everything is hugely expensive 
here because of various tax rates as opposed to Germany, and Germany is getting 
it on the 14th. The huge benefit to the touchscreen devices is that, since the 
keyboard is intelligent, changing the keyboard layout gives you the keys that 
you need so you can potentially buy the phone from any country.

Regards,
Nic
On Oct 6, 2011, at 7:33 AM, william lomas wrote:

> hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade 
> from the 4 if they have one?
> to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make 
> battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an 
> eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
> THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is 
> testament to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more 
> money just to ge that?
> all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
> my upgrade is due next year not this. 
> if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button 
> and say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but 
> if have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put 
> phone away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to 
> type as texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are 
> peoples thoughts?
> maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to 
> live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a 
> phone that hardly offers anything new?
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thoughts on iPhone 4S

[william lomas]

hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade 
from the 4 if they have one?
to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make 
battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an 
eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament 
to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to 
ge that?
all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
my upgrade is due next year not this. 
if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and 
say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if 
have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone 
away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as 
texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts?
maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to 
live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a 
phone that hardly offers anything new?

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