Re: vent
I use both Macs and PC's; if the application program is properly written, I have found the operating platform is pretty much immaterial. Windows has came a long way, my Win 2000 laptop never crashes, but then I am using all Windows programs. My G3 AIO is not so well behaved. I have a 15 flat panel iMac; I have gotten so tired of the spinning pinwheel, the modem trying to log on right in the middle of a DVD movie etc, it is like it has a mind of it's own. It knows what I should be doing and how and I better do it. I finally quit using it. My favourite is the 5400/180 with 5500 motherboard and 400 mhz G3 accelerator card. It is rock steady, never loses dialup and is a real joy. Where I work they switched from a mixed environment to all PC's couple years ago. Mainly because the company wide applications were better supported in Windows. There is a whole support group of IT gurus so the system runs pretty smooth from the user standpoint. Don't know what kind of headaches they have, though. Several years ago, when email began to really catch on, Macs did not tolerate a lot of the attachments being circulated, .exe's, Windows video/audio clips and such without getting on the Internet and downloading special plugins or codecs. I know a couple of people who transitioned to PC's just for this reason. The average user is not responsible for the fact that PC's dominate the market, they just don't want to be left out in the cold, unable to interact with other users; and may feel that Macintosh may some day just go the way of the dinosaurs and their $ was wasted. A person who sells PC's can't make any money off Macs so automatically writes you off and wants you to get out of his way. My little joy is an SE/30, getting my hands dirty under the hood. Extra RAM, external 1.44 / CDROM / Zip drive / muffler bearings, etc. It still does email ! later jw -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: vent
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:16:26 -0900, JW Musgrove wrote: I use both Macs and PC's; if the application program is properly written, I have found the operating platform is pretty much immaterial. Windows has came a long way, my Win 2000 laptop never crashes, but then I am using all Windows programs. My G3 AIO is not so well behaved. I have a 15 flat panel iMac; I have gotten so tired of the spinning pinwheel, the modem trying to log on right in the middle of a DVD movie etc, it is like it has a mind of it's own. It knows what I should be doing and how and I better do it. I finally quit using it. My favourite is the 5400/180 with 5500 motherboard and 400 mhz G3 accelerator card. It is rock steady, never loses dialup and is a real joy. Where I work they switched from a mixed environment to all PC's couple years ago. Mainly because the company wide applications were better supported in Windows. There is a whole support group of IT gurus so the system runs pretty smooth from the user standpoint. Don't know what kind of headaches they have, though. The spinning pinwheel may be caused by a shortage of memory. I added some more to my iMac, and it seems better. OSX does an excellent job of managing memory, but if it doesn't have enough, then it will take longer to do some things. Also, the modem connecting at odd times may be your computer trying to reset the clock. Go into preferences- date time and turn off set date and time automatically. Several years ago, when email began to really catch on, Macs did not tolerate a lot of the attachments being circulated, .exe's, Windows video/audio clips and such without getting on the Internet and downloading special plugins or codecs. I know a couple of people who transitioned to PC's just for this reason. The average user is not responsible for the fact that PC's dominate the market, they just don't want to be left out in the cold, unable to interact with other users; and may feel that Macintosh may some day just go the way of the dinosaurs and their $ was wasted. A person who sells PC's can't make any money off Macs so automatically writes you off and wants you to get out of his way. I rarely get an attachment that I'm unable to open on my Mac. If I do, I resend it to myself, and open it on the PC (if I know it's a PC attachment). I think the last thing I couldn't open on my Mac was from my Dad--who only uses Macs!! (now explain that one!!) My little joy is an SE/30, getting my hands dirty under the hood. Extra RAM, external 1.44 / CDROM / Zip drive / muffler bearings, etc. It still does email ! later jw *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Gretchen Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: vent
Terry, I did read it all, and you have some excellent points. On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:20:20 + (UTC), Terence Dennis Sherman wrote: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Gretchen Summers wrote: snip I went into a local business today (actually a small one--I usually get this at the large retailers), and mentioned something about having Macs and a PC networked. As usual, I got the why don't you get rid of the Mac routine (this is just one of many times I have heard this sort of remark). I just don't understand the hostility I experience from PC user's toward Macs. My guess is that not one of these PC people has ever even tried a Mac, and don't have a clue about what they are trashing. Heh, I used to be exactly like that, despite having owned a Apple //e back in the day. I even once tried to convince the local high school newspaper office to switch to Lintel boxen. And you're right; the instant that I tried a Mac, I was converted. The reason I hated them was simply that I thought that they were idiots' machines. It wasn't until much later that I realized that while Macs are simple to use, they aren't simple-minded. I admit, I am more Mac oriented because that is what I used first. I realize we (Mac user's) live in a predominantly PC world. I have worked hard to make, at least in my household, PCs and Macs work together. Do PC only people feel threatened by Macs? Are Macs just misunderstood, and therefore, feared?? I'd like to know why I get such negativity. I think, to a large degree, Windoze people don't feel so much threatened by Macs as they have been, shall we say, seduced by the dark side, and feel that Macs are vastly inferior, so they refuse to own one. Imagine trying to sell the average American a Yugo when they want a Ferrari and you'll get the picture (although personally, I would think that the Mac would be the Ferrari here, but hey, it's all in your point of view.). I personally know a lot of people that would have been better off with a Mac, but have been advised on what computer to get by their children (or grand-children), who are generally avid gamers who love Windows for the variety in games. Then they get a Windows computer, and have all manner of trouble because they don't want to play games, they just want to check their E-Mail, or surf the web. A lot of people nowadays are conviced, due to experiences with Windows, that computers just don't work properly. The failure rate in Windows wouldn't be tolerated in any other industry. It's a vicous(sic) cycle: most people use Windows because that's what they know, they know Windows because that's what they've been taught, they're taught Windows because that's what most people use, et cetera ad nauseum. Well, now I've ranted. If you actually read all of that, I'm surprised. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Gretchen Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace and Love, Terry -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Gretchen Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: vent
You are probably right--it may not be as much brainwashing as just everyone else he knows has a PC. It is easier to go with a platform that others you know have since there is safety in numbers. I don't know what I would have done all these years without the MUGs, lists and support groups to which I've belonged. It wasn't that long ago, I would have considered myself a real newbie to computers. I'm a stay-at-home mom, and I am not afraid to take apart my Wallstreet PowerBook, or Dell to upgrade or fix things (don't laugh--I know that paints a funny picture)! I have, all on my own, set up a wireless network in my home, and even given advice and help to other less experienced Mac users. I've come a long way! I have found the help and support, particularly in the Mac community, to be wonderful. On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:18:29 -0500, A.Tuazon wrote: My wife's uncle recently asked my advice on what type of computer to get. I asked him first what he intended to use it for. He replied that he wanted a machine that could handle e-mail, word processing, browsing, but he eventually wanted to get into digital photography and possibly video editing. I told him to get a Mac. He immediately replied a solid NO. His voice sounded like it had fear lodged behind it. He ended up getting a Dell and it hasn't been an easy road at all for him. I'm trying to setup a wireless router for him and it's been a nightmare. I have the same model at my house and all I had to do was plug it in, attach what needed to be attached, followed 4 steps and it's been chugging along ever since. His, on the other hand, I had to run some setup program that didn't really do much. His wife can't connect via her laptop and his e-mail is screwed up. I'm going to have to do the whole thing manually. I'm guessing it's not really fear or a misunderstanding, but rather brainwashing. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Gretchen Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac \ Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Mac-N-DOS list info:http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
