Re: WinXP and iMac rev B

[Darren]

Darren wrote:
For $0 run a mac emulator on the XP box, you can use the chooser on 
either the imac or from within the emulation to connect to each other 
and to any pre-OS9 machine, a nice trick that can be done under apples 
new version of NeXT.

CAN'T rather than can, Jobs want you paying and paying again before you 
finally can't connect to a 5 year old mac. M$ can not do this, Apple 
can, has and will continue to do so. :) Lets not forget one pay to play 
beta update each year LOL.


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Re: WinXP and iMac rev B

[Darren]

Stephen Chace wrote:
Thanks to all,
I did not realize how much harder it is to network OS9 than OSX with 
Windows.  No doubt if i had money to burn i could use DAVE but can't 
justify $150 US for home use.

For $0 run a mac emulator on the XP box, you can use the chooser on 
either the imac or from within the emulation to connect to each other 
and to any pre-OS9 machine, a nice trick that can be done under apples 
new version of NeXT. Naturally the pc can talk to any OSX box as it uses 
Samba, another bit of free software ported so OSX can talk to other 
machines.

The Windows version of SheepSaver runs ppc 7.5 - 9.2.2 ( Have 9.1 
installed and I'm guessing further upgrades will also work) but sadly as 
yet there is no TAP ethernet patch made for it. Looking at the timetable 
its a month or two away. SheepSaver emulates the classic ppc OSes well 
otherwise at good speed. I mention this as Basilisk hardfiles can be 
loaded so you may "upgrade" from BII's 68k emulation to a ppc emulation 
in the near (maybe now?) future.

Finally, if your pc has some grunt, 1.8ghz or better - better *is* 
better, you can emulate OSX via PearPC which includes networking and is 
improving. I run Panther 10.3.8 this way with a boot time of 57seconds 
now, better than the G4/400 :) No prize there really as that mac was 
never made to run the OS. The office will be getting a copy of tiger or 
tabby or moggie - whatever this pay per view upgrade is called, I will 
be testing it soon. ;)

Can the new mini take older ADB peripherals?  I still have a 6360 with 
a nice monitor and keyboard.  Might be time for an upgrade.

Wait a year and the mini will be way cheaper if you must buy one, I'd 
save for a while and buy a real computer instead. If your only real need 
is networking my first suggestion is either Basilisk II on the doze box 
or VPC3 or 4 on the imac, ones free while you will have to ask for the 
other. ;)

A nix box provides a wealth of services, you need to be willing to 
learn!!! You will find the education worthwhile in the long run if your 
that way inclined.


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Re: WinXP and iMac rev B

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Stephen Chace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can the new mini take older ADB peripherals?  I
> still have a 6360 with a 
> nice monitor and keyboard.  Might be time for an
> upgrade.

There are USB to ADB adaptors, but I dunno about the
compatability of peripherals other than keyboards
and mice. With "classic" Mac OS, they work with nearly
all ADB devices.

These USB to ADB adaptors will also work to some
extent with a PC, but only keyboards are fully
functional. I don't have any multi-button ADB mice
to try, but I suspect that all the buttons would
work as the Left button or only one button would
work on a PC. If someone would get off their arse
and write drivers, a whole host of nifty ADB
peripherals could be used on a PC with one of those
adaptors! (Like the Microsoft ADB Sidewinder 3D Pro
joystick.) 

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Re: WinXP and iMac rev B

[M D]

Stephen Chace wrote:

> I did not realize how much harder it is to network OS9 than OSX with 
> Windows.  No doubt if i had money to burn i could use DAVE but can't 
> justify $150 US for home use.

There's more than one way to skin a cat :)

What you're refering to "networking" here is AppleTalk, which has been
dropped from XP.

You can also run an FTP server from the Mac or an HTTP server such as
MacHTTP, or even use the Macs own Web folder feature. A simple FTP
server is nice, as you only need to dump files into a folder, double
click the server to start and away you go. The free Hotline FTP server
springs to mind (not to be confused with Hotline P2P client), which I
have archived if you can't find it via web.

> Can the new mini take older ADB peripherals?  I still have a 6360 with a 
> nice monitor and keyboard.  Might be time for an upgrade.

USB to ADB was answered earlier, but the mini comes with an adapter for
different monitor types.


>>>A nix box is good, either a G5 running osX or a PII (lower if need be) 
>>>running a free nix and serving files to both, Samba for pc and Netatalk 
>>>for mac.
>> 
>> The best solution IMO, if the OP has room for another PC on his network.

A freestanding *nix server running Samba and Netatalk is still the best
way to go IMHO.

Mike


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Re: WinXP and iMac rev B

[John Niven]

On May 9, 2005, at 5:27 AM, Stephen Chace wrote:
Thanks to all,
I did not realize how much harder it is to network OS9 than OSX with 
Windows.  No doubt if i had money to burn i could use DAVE but can't 
justify $150 US for home use.

Can the new mini take older ADB peripherals?  I still have a 6360 with 
a nice monitor and keyboard.  Might be time for an upgrade.
The great idea with the mini is to take your old *PC* peripherals and 
convert you to OSX!

To upgrade a 6360, I think a B&W G3 is a great cheaper choice. That's 
what I use when not using my G4 PowerBook. It was the last Mac to have 
an ADB port built in and it is still supported by OSX. The B&W standard 
video card has a VGA output, but you could swap that for one with an 
Apple style if your monitor needs that. If you have other SCSI 
peripherals then the Adaptek 2930 PCI card works well.

Would probably cost less than $150 :-) Try the LEM swap list.
John
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Re: WinXP and iMac rev B

[Robin Ashe]

Mini doesn't have ADB at all, although as far as I know you can still get
ADB-USB converters. The monitor should work with the Mini although you might
need an adaptor for that as well.

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>Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 08:27:27 -0400
>From: Stephen Chace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: WinXP and iMac rev B
>
>
>Thanks to all,
>
>I did not realize how much harder it is to network OS9 than OSX with 
>Windows.  No doubt if i had money to burn i could use DAVE but can't 
>justify $150 US for home use.
>
>Can the new mini take older ADB peripherals?  I still have a 6360 with a
>
>nice monitor and keyboard.  Might be time for an upgrade.
>
>M D wrote:
>> Darren wrote:
>> 
>>>Gregg Eshelman wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>>You either need Thursby's DAVE on the Mac or Miramar's
>>>>PC MacLAN (which has been bought by Computer
>>>>Associates) on the PC.
>>>>
>>>>Or you can install OSX on the Mac and not have to
>>>>muck about with 3rd party solutions to what Apple
>>>>and Microsoft refused to do for years. :P
>>>
>> 
>>>In keeping with the list, how about RealPC or VPC.
>> 
>> 
>> I was thinking along the same lines (Basilisk II on Win box)
>> 
>> 
>>>A nix box is good, either a G5 running osX or a PII (lower if need be)
>
>>>running a free nix and serving files to both, Samba for pc and Netatalk
>
>>>for mac.
>> 
>> 
>> The best solution IMO, if the OP has room for another PC on his network.
>> 
>> Cheers, Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>
>
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Re: WinXP and iMac rev B

[Stephen Chace]

Thanks to all,
I did not realize how much harder it is to network OS9 than OSX with 
Windows.  No doubt if i had money to burn i could use DAVE but can't 
justify $150 US for home use.

Can the new mini take older ADB peripherals?  I still have a 6360 with a 
nice monitor and keyboard.  Might be time for an upgrade.

M D wrote:
Darren wrote:
Gregg Eshelman wrote:

You either need Thursby's DAVE on the Mac or Miramar's
PC MacLAN (which has been bought by Computer
Associates) on the PC.
Or you can install OSX on the Mac and not have to
muck about with 3rd party solutions to what Apple
and Microsoft refused to do for years. :P


In keeping with the list, how about RealPC or VPC.

I was thinking along the same lines (Basilisk II on Win box)

A nix box is good, either a G5 running osX or a PII (lower if need be) 
running a free nix and serving files to both, Samba for pc and Netatalk 
for mac.

The best solution IMO, if the OP has room for another PC on his network.
Cheers, Mike


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Re: WinXP and iMac rev B

[M D]

Darren wrote:
> Gregg Eshelman wrote:

>>You either need Thursby's DAVE on the Mac or Miramar's
>>PC MacLAN (which has been bought by Computer
>>Associates) on the PC.
>>
>>Or you can install OSX on the Mac and not have to
>>muck about with 3rd party solutions to what Apple
>>and Microsoft refused to do for years. :P

> 
> In keeping with the list, how about RealPC or VPC.

I was thinking along the same lines (Basilisk II on Win box)

> A nix box is good, either a G5 running osX or a PII (lower if need be) 
> running a free nix and serving files to both, Samba for pc and Netatalk 
> for mac.

The best solution IMO, if the OP has room for another PC on his network.

Cheers, Mike



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Re: WinXP and iMac rev B

[Darren]

Gregg Eshelman wrote:
--- Stephen Chace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Hi,
Trying to communicate between my iMac running 9.2.2
and a Compaq running 
WinXP (SP2).  Both are connected to a Westell
router, iMac via cable and 
Compaq wirelessly (Netgear).  Both can connect to
DSL fine.  How can i 
get them to see each other?
   

You either need Thursby's DAVE on the Mac or Miramar's
PC MacLAN (which has been bought by Computer
Associates) on the PC.
Or you can install OSX on the Mac and not have to
muck about with 3rd party solutions to what Apple
and Microsoft refused to do for years. :P
In keeping with the list, how about RealPC or VPC.
If you have run BetaX on a imac or <500mhz ppc you wouldn't recommend 
it. People do and good luck to them.

What are the chances of using the version of dave found on Gambas site 
on 9.2.2?

Another option is the old FTP or hotline server (ect) on either machine. 
Firewalled to not serve to the web.

A nix box is good, either a G5 running osX or a PII (lower if need be) 
running a free nix and serving files to both, Samba for pc and Netatalk 
for mac.

You might also use your web space as a virtual hdd for swapping smaller 
files.

In a nutshell the classic OS and Windoze don't get along without some 
help, how much you give is up to you.



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Re: WinXP and iMac rev B

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Stephen Chace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Trying to communicate between my iMac running 9.2.2
> and a Compaq running 
> WinXP (SP2).  Both are connected to a Westell
> router, iMac via cable and 
> Compaq wirelessly (Netgear).  Both can connect to
> DSL fine.  How can i 
> get them to see each other?

You either need Thursby's DAVE on the Mac or Miramar's
PC MacLAN (which has been bought by Computer
Associates) on the PC.

Or you can install OSX on the Mac and not have to
muck about with 3rd party solutions to what Apple
and Microsoft refused to do for years. :P

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WinXP and iMac rev B

[Stephen Chace]

Hi,
Trying to communicate between my iMac running 9.2.2 and a Compaq running 
WinXP (SP2).  Both are connected to a Westell router, iMac via cable and 
Compaq wirelessly (Netgear).  Both can connect to DSL fine.  How can i 
get them to see each other?

Have already turned on sharing on the mac, and have a shared folder. 
Have done essentially the same on the windowbox.

TIA,
Stephen
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