MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Marta Edie PB]

You know people, it is so wonderful to learn so much. My update has 
been just fine, too, but look ,what I learned in the meantime as I 
tried to check all these suggested remedies!  Were it not for the 
efforts of this group to help those  with little technical background 
and know-how, we on the lower rungs of the ladder would  still grope in 
the darkness.
Marta
On Apr 20, 2005, at 07:33, John Stone wrote:

> I did the update on my powerbook and then ran the test off of
> http://www.techspot.com/story17413.html, and I didn't get the error
> mesage, and I've been able to surf.
>
> The update seems to be fine on my Mac.
>
> John
>
>> On 4/19/05, Bill Rising  wrote:
>>> On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:17, Henri Yandell wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but 
 had
 put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off 
 the
 update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)
>>>
>>> Just a guess about the problems (of which I've had zero): I'd guess
>>> that the problems with this update come from not having done earlier
>>> updates (like skipping the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 or the 2005-02, which
>>> also patched Java). So... if I had to make a wild guess, those that
>>> have done all updates involving Java in the past will have no 
>>> problems.
>>> Those who skipped some updates which affected Java get a mess.
>>>
>>> Of course, I have no way of testing this hypothesis.
>>
>> I suspect the people complaining ran those updates.
>>
>> My gut guess is that the new Apple release shipped a bad binary in one
>> of the files and the previous update allows said binary to be replaced
>> with the older version.
>>
>> Of course we Java people are all desperately waiting for Tiger aka
>> Java 5.0 (codenamed Tiger as well) on the Mac. OS X 10.4 is just a
>> boring cost we'll have to pay while we wait for the real Tiger to
>> appear :).
>>
>> Hen
>>
>>
>>
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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[John Stone]

I did the update on my powerbook and then ran the test off of
http://www.techspot.com/story17413.html, and I didn't get the error
mesage, and I've been able to surf.

The update seems to be fine on my Mac.

John

> On 4/19/05, Bill Rising  wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:17, Henri Yandell wrote:
> > 
> > > Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but had
> > > put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off the
> > > update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)
> > 
> > Just a guess about the problems (of which I've had zero): I'd guess
> > that the problems with this update come from not having done earlier
> > updates (like skipping the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 or the 2005-02, which
> > also patched Java). So... if I had to make a wild guess, those that
> > have done all updates involving Java in the past will have no problems.
> > Those who skipped some updates which affected Java get a mess.
> > 
> > Of course, I have no way of testing this hypothesis.
> 
> I suspect the people complaining ran those updates. 
> 
> My gut guess is that the new Apple release shipped a bad binary in one
> of the files and the previous update allows said binary to be replaced
> with the older version.
> 
> Of course we Java people are all desperately waiting for Tiger aka
> Java 5.0 (codenamed Tiger as well) on the Mac. OS X 10.4 is just a
> boring cost we'll have to pay while we wait for the real Tiger to
> appear :).
> 
> Hen
> 
> 
> 
> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will
> | be April 26. The LCS Web page is .
> | List posting address: 
> | List Web page: 
> 
> 

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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Henri Yandell]

On 4/19/05, Bill Rising  wrote:
> On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:17, Henri Yandell wrote:
> 
> > Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but had
> > put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off the
> > update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)
> 
> Just a guess about the problems (of which I've had zero): I'd guess
> that the problems with this update come from not having done earlier
> updates (like skipping the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 or the 2005-02, which
> also patched Java). So... if I had to make a wild guess, those that
> have done all updates involving Java in the past will have no problems.
> Those who skipped some updates which affected Java get a mess.
> 
> Of course, I have no way of testing this hypothesis.

I suspect the people complaining ran those updates. 

My gut guess is that the new Apple release shipped a bad binary in one
of the files and the previous update allows said binary to be replaced
with the older version.

Of course we Java people are all desperately waiting for Tiger aka
Java 5.0 (codenamed Tiger as well) on the Mac. OS X 10.4 is just a
boring cost we'll have to pay while we wait for the real Tiger to
appear :).

Hen



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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Marta Edie]

I am getting smarter by the minute -- Dan, I  get the same as you, 
thanks . I have only peaked once into that terminal before. It always 
reminds me of going down into one of those Luftschutzkellers ( bunkers) 
to take refuge from the bombs  in WWII. It has that ominous look that 
you may be buried in it forever.  Thanks also to Rex for that Apple 
website which told me  to look for Java in  the installed updates. I 
did not know the Java updates would show in those, too.  What grand 
revelations! - thanks again.
Marta
On Apr 19, 2005, at 16:03, Dan Crutcher wrote:

> Marta:
>
> To find out which version of Java you have, open your Terminal 
> application and type in "java -version" (without the quote marks) and 
> press Return.
>
> When I do that, I get:
>
> "Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 
> 1.4.2_05-141.4)
> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)"
>
> If you don't have the right version, you supposedly will get the 
> message: "Segmentation Fault."
>
> Dan
>
>> Bill, I  have no problems  after the update (  at least i don't think 
>> so, but i really don't know what websites are
>> Java based) , however, how do you know you should update Java. I 
>> tried  to look under "Find" and there is so much Java stuff of which 
>> I have no idea what it even could be,  so please help  me in 
>> determining where one finds Java to be updated.
>> Marta
>> On Apr 19, 2005, at 11:46, Bill Rising wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:17, Henri Yandell wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but 
 had
 put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off 
 the
 update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)
>>>
>>> Just a guess about the problems (of which I've had zero): I'd guess 
>>> that the problems with this update come from not having done earlier 
>>> updates (like skipping the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 or the 2005-02, which 
>>> also patched Java). So... if I had to make a wild guess, those that 
>>> have done all updates involving Java in the past will have no 
>>> problems. Those who skipped some updates which affected Java get a 
>>> mess.
>>>
>>> Of course, I have no way of testing this hypothesis.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will
>> | be April 26. The LCS Web page is .
>> | List posting address: 
>> | List Web page: 
>>
>
>
>
>
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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Bill Rising]

On Apr 19, 2005, at 15:02, Marta Edie wrote:

> Bill, I  have no problems  after the update (  at least i don't think 
> so, but i really don't know what websites are
> Java based) , however, how do you know you should update Java. I tried 
>  to look under "Find" and there is so much Java stuff of which I have 
> no idea what it even could be,  so please help  me in determining 
> where one finds Java to be updated.
>

I just went to the web page at Apple which Rex pointed out, and ran the 
command to see if I could cause a dump.

Bill
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[Dan Crutcher]

Marta:

To find out which version of Java you have, open your Terminal 
application and type in "java -version" (without the quote marks) and 
press Return.

When I do that, I get:

"Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-141.4)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)"

If you don't have the right version, you supposedly will get the 
message: "Segmentation Fault."

Dan

> Bill, I  have no problems  after the update (  at least i don't think 
> so, but i really don't know what websites are
> Java based) , however, how do you know you should update Java. I tried 
>  to look under "Find" and there is so much Java stuff of which I have 
> no idea what it even could be,  so please help  me in determining 
> where one finds Java to be updated.
> Marta
> On Apr 19, 2005, at 11:46, Bill Rising wrote:
>
>> On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:17, Henri Yandell wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but had
>>> put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off the
>>> update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)
>>
>> Just a guess about the problems (of which I've had zero): I'd guess 
>> that the problems with this update come from not having done earlier 
>> updates (like skipping the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 or the 2005-02, which 
>> also patched Java). So... if I had to make a wild guess, those that 
>> have done all updates involving Java in the past will have no 
>> problems. Those who skipped some updates which affected Java get a 
>> mess.
>>
>> Of course, I have no way of testing this hypothesis.
>>
>> Bill
>
>
>
> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will
> | be April 26. The LCS Web page is .
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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Marta Edie]

Bill, I  have no problems  after the update (  at least i don't think 
so, but i really don't know what websites are
Java based) , however, how do you know you should update Java. I tried  
to look under "Find" and there is so much Java stuff of which I have no 
idea what it even could be,  so please help  me in determining where 
one finds Java to be updated.
Marta
On Apr 19, 2005, at 11:46, Bill Rising wrote:

> On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:17, Henri Yandell wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but had
>> put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off the
>> update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)
>
> Just a guess about the problems (of which I've had zero): I'd guess 
> that the problems with this update come from not having done earlier 
> updates (like skipping the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 or the 2005-02, which 
> also patched Java). So... if I had to make a wild guess, those that 
> have done all updates involving Java in the past will have no 
> problems. Those who skipped some updates which affected Java get a 
> mess.
>
> Of course, I have no way of testing this hypothesis.
>
> Bill



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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Bill Rising]

On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:17, Henri Yandell wrote:

> Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but had
> put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off the
> update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)

Just a guess about the problems (of which I've had zero): I'd guess 
that the problems with this update come from not having done earlier 
updates (like skipping the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 or the 2005-02, which 
also patched Java). So... if I had to make a wild guess, those that 
have done all updates involving Java in the past will have no problems. 
Those who skipped some updates which affected Java get a mess.

Of course, I have no way of testing this hypothesis.

Bill
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[Henri Yandell]

Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but had
put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off the
update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)

An utterly broken Java would have been a severe problem.

Hen

On 4/19/05, Rex Baldazo  wrote:
> If you've updated to the latest 10.3.9 release and are having
> Safari/Java problems you may have run into this bug:
> 
> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5675631.html
> 
> Instructions for fixing the problem are listed here:
> 
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301380
> 
> --- Rex.
> 
> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will
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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Rex Baldazo]

If you've updated to the latest 10.3.9 release and are having
Safari/Java problems you may have run into this bug:

http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5675631.html

Instructions for fixing the problem are listed here:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301380

--- Rex.



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