Re: 10.2 + 5.8 CPAN trouble
You can extract the perl stuff directly from the Jaguar installation CDs using something like the Pacifist application. That's probably preferable to a full re-install of the OS. -Ken On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 01:39 AM, Richard Jolly wrote: > > You've convinced me that overwriting 5.6 was a bad idea, and I > should fix it before I go too much further. > > Any advice on the best way of doing this (simple directions > please!)? I read somewhere that the hints/darwin.sh file had > been rewritten - I think to avoid this problem. (Of course I > can't find the reference). Do I need to replace that file with > a newer version? > > Thanks again, this is very very helpful. > > Richard >
Re: 10.2 + 5.8 CPAN trouble
I'm too lazy to track it down, but I believe Jordan Hubbard (the BSD/Darwin guy) said Apple is waiting for a point release (5.8.1?) before upgrading Perl... Pete william ross wrote: > On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 04:06 PM, Richard Jolly wrote: > > It would be good to have a semi-official word from apple on this > question, though, especially since they published Morbus's article > recommending the replacement. I've sent a chirpy enquiry to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - that's the address on the article - but am not > holding breath. >
Re: 10.2 + 5.8 CPAN trouble
On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 04:06 PM, Richard Jolly wrote: > > On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 02:01 PM, william ross wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 01:53 PM, Richard Jolly wrote: >> >> here's your immediate problem: >> >>> CPAN build and cache directory? [/Users/rjolly/.cpan] y >> >> to accept the default, just press return. having answered 'y', your >> cache directory is now './y', which doesn't exist. You can correct >> that by editing CPAN/MyConfig.pm, but you needn't bother. Having >> installed 5.8.0 over the apple default (as i did, and came to >> regret), you'll need to run -MCPAN as root to install modules anyway. > > Duh! Thanks. I thought "y" was a strange directory name when I saw it > in the output, but I didn't make the connection. > > Why is it such a bad idea to replace Apple's 5.6? I could reinstall > 10.2 just to revert that, I guess. Would it be worth it? Heh. Probably not. It's just that the air here is full of gloomy prognostications that make me wish I'd left things as they were. 5.8.0 hasn't actually caused any trouble: my main reason for regretting it was the two days I spent afterwards building variants of apache and mod_perl, but that turned out well in the end. i _think_ that as long as you check to make sure that the modules which make up apple's core distribution are present in your 5.8.0, it will be ok. in many cases it won't matter if they're not (eg Apache::*), but anything inexplicable should probably be carefully replaced. It would be good to have a semi-official word from apple on this question, though, especially since they published Morbus's article recommending the replacement. I've sent a chirpy enquiry to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - that's the address on the article - but am not holding breath. best will
Re: 10.2 + 5.8 CPAN trouble
You've convinced me that overwriting 5.6 was a bad idea, and I should fix it before I go too much further. Any advice on the best way of doing this (simple directions please!)? I read somewhere that the hints/darwin.sh file had been rewritten - I think to avoid this problem. (Of course I can't find the reference). Do I need to replace that file with a newer version? Thanks again, this is very very helpful. Richard
Re: 10.2 + 5.8 CPAN trouble
At 4:06 PM +0100 10/2/02, Richard Jolly wrote: >Why is it such a bad idea to replace Apple's 5.6? I could reinstall >10.2 just to revert that, I guess. Would it be worth it? A fair amount of Apple's maintenance scripts and some installer scripts use it. 5.6.0 has a number of... quirks that are different than 5.8.0. Also, 5.6.0 is *not* binary-compatible with 5.8.0, and can't be made so. If you've something that links against the perl shared library (like extensions, mod_perl, or CamelBones) you'll find it breaks when you upgrade, which can be rather disconcerting. A number of folks have found this out already, judging by the list traffic. -- Dan --"it's like this"--- Dan Sugalski even samurai [EMAIL PROTECTED] have teddy bears and even teddy bears get drunk
Re: 10.2 + 5.8 CPAN trouble
On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 12:06 AM, Richard Jolly wrote: > Why is it such a bad idea to replace Apple's 5.6? I could reinstall > 10.2 just to revert that, I guess. Would it be worth it? in short perl 5.6.1 is not the same code base as 5.8- so any modules whch were ompiled to run with 5.6.1 won't work with 5.8.0. This is a problem when you overwrite the default install of perl because many OSX system tasks use perl scripts, which suddenly can't use perl. This equates to OSX fubar :-)
Re: 10.2 + 5.8 CPAN trouble
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Richard Jolly wrote: > Why is it such a bad idea to replace Apple's 5.6? I could reinstall > 10.2 just to revert that, I guess. Would it be worth it? Dunno, maybe. If nothing is acting funny then you can leave it alone, but a lot of system components (cron jobs, system commands, etc) are written against the built in version of Perl, and damaging that can lead to errors with your system overall. It's possible to replace the default Perl, but convention wisdom seems to be that it's better to avoid messing with the system version, and put upgrades in /usr/local, /opt, /sw, etc. -- Chris Devers[EMAIL PROTECTED] Q: What do Winnie the Pooh and John the Baptist have in common? A: The same middle name.
Re: 10.2 + 5.8 CPAN trouble
Thank you very much. I "o conf init"'ed (in case I'd pressed 'y' instead of return for anything else) and everything worked fine. Richard __ On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 02:37 PM, Robin wrote: > You don't need to re-install CPAN, just re-configure it - > > So in the terminal type: > 1) [terminal commandline:]user% cd ~ > 2) [terminal commandline:~]user% sudo mkdir .cpan > 3) [terminal commandline:~]user% cd ~/.cpan > 4) [terminal commandline:~/.cpan]user% sudo mkdir build > 5) [terminal commandline:~/.cpan]user% sudo mkdir sources > 6) [terminal commandline:~/.cpan]user% sudo perl -MCPAN -e shell > cpan>o conf > > > What you wrote: > 1) makes sure you're in your userfolder > 2) makes a folder called '.cpan' which is the default install name > 3) moves you into the new .cpan dir > 4) makes a folder called 'build', used by cpan > 5) makes a folder called 'sources', used by cpan > 6) will list the current CPAN configuration > > to change the config data so that CPAN can see and use the folders you > made, still from the command line > > > > EITHER: > i) cpan>o conf cpan_home = /User/YOUR USERNAME/cpan > ii) cpan>o conf build_dir= /User/YOUR USERNAME/cpan/build > iii) cpan>o conf keep_source_where= /User/YOUR USERNAME/cpan/sources > iv) cpan> o conf commit (save changes to the config info) > > What you wrote: > i)sets the cpan folder to /User/YOUR USERNAME/cpan > ii) sets the new build_dir > iii) sets the source dir > iv) saves changes tyou just made > > > > OR : > cpan> o conf init > > which will run the script which asked you for the config info the > first time you ran CPAN > HTH > > Robin
Re: 10.2 + 5.8 CPAN trouble
On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 02:01 PM, william ross wrote: > > On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 01:53 PM, Richard Jolly wrote: > > here's your immediate problem: > >> CPAN build and cache directory? [/Users/rjolly/.cpan] y > > to accept the default, just press return. having answered 'y', your > cache directory is now './y', which doesn't exist. You can correct > that by editing CPAN/MyConfig.pm, but you needn't bother. Having > installed 5.8.0 over the apple default (as i did, and came to regret), > you'll need to run -MCPAN as root to install modules anyway. Duh! Thanks. I thought "y" was a strange directory name when I saw it in the output, but I didn't make the connection. Why is it such a bad idea to replace Apple's 5.6? I could reinstall 10.2 just to revert that, I guess. Would it be worth it? Richard
Re: 10.2 + 5.8 CPAN trouble
You don't need to re-install CPAN, just re-configure it - So in the terminal type: 1) [terminal commandline:]user% cd ~ 2) [terminal commandline:~]user% sudo mkdir .cpan 3) [terminal commandline:~]user% cd ~/.cpan 4) [terminal commandline:~/.cpan]user% sudo mkdir build 5) [terminal commandline:~/.cpan]user% sudo mkdir sources 6) [terminal commandline:~/.cpan]user% sudo perl -MCPAN -e shell cpan>o conf What you wrote: 1) makes sure you're in your userfolder 2) makes a folder called '.cpan' which is the default install name 3) moves you into the new .cpan dir 4) makes a folder called 'build', used by cpan 5) makes a folder called 'sources', used by cpan 6) will list the current CPAN configuration to change the config data so that CPAN can see and use the folders you made, still from the command line EITHER: i) cpan>o conf cpan_home = /User/YOUR USERNAME/cpan ii) cpan>o conf build_dir= /User/YOUR USERNAME/cpan/build iii) cpan>o conf keep_source_where= /User/YOUR USERNAME/cpan/sources iv) cpan> o conf commit (save changes to the config info) What you wrote: i)sets the cpan folder to /User/YOUR USERNAME/cpan ii) sets the new build_dir iii) sets the source dir iv) saves changes tyou just made OR : cpan> o conf init which will run the script which asked you for the config info the first time you ran CPAN In the terminal type "perldoc cpan" for more information about CPAN. HTH Robin On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 09:53 PM, Richard Jolly wrote: > tar: Failed open to read on > y/sources/authors/id/A/AN/ANDK/CPAN-1.63.tar.gz directory> > Couldn't opendir y/build/ANDK000: No such file or directory at > /Library/Perl/CPAN.pm line 4873 > > I'm not sure what to do next. I've excerpted quite a lot from my > terminal below - hopefully this will be clear to someone with more > experience. >
Re: 10.2 + 5.8 CPAN trouble
On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 01:53 PM, Richard Jolly wrote: here's your immediate problem: > CPAN build and cache directory? [/Users/rjolly/.cpan] y to accept the default, just press return. having answered 'y', your cache directory is now './y', which doesn't exist. You can correct that by editing CPAN/MyConfig.pm, but you needn't bother. Having installed 5.8.0 over the apple default (as i did, and came to regret), you'll need to run -MCPAN as root to install modules anyway. sudo perl -MCPAN -e shell should do it. you'll have to go through the initialisation again, to create the relevant ~/.cpan directories for root. best will
10.2 + 5.8 CPAN trouble
I've newly installed 10.2 and perl 5.8. Being quite new to this kind of thing, I followed the instructions at http://developer.apple.com/internet/macosx/perl.html to the letter. All was well, until I tried to install Bundle::CPAN in the cpan shell. I don't know if its relevant, but I was unsure how to answer the first configuration question. It prompted that I had a cpan directory in my home directory. I do, but I hadn't actually used it successfully before (because I didn't have developer tools installed before now). I choose to use this, and chose the default answers to all other configuration questions. But the problem came when I tried to install Bundle::CPAN. It seemed to go ok for a while, but then ... tar: Failed open to read on y/sources/authors/id/A/AN/ANDK/CPAN-1.63.tar.gz Couldn't opendir y/build/ANDK000: No such file or directory at /Library/Perl/CPAN.pm line 4873 I'm not sure what to do next. I've excerpted quite a lot from my terminal below - hopefully this will be clear to someone with more experience. Thanks very much for your help, Richard EXCERPTS: /usr/local/src/perl-5.8.0 26% sudo perl -MCPAN -eshell Password: We have to reconfigure CPAN.pm due to following uninitialized parameters: cache_metadata /Users/rjolly/.cpan/CPAN/MyConfig.pm initialized. I see you already have a directory /Users/rjolly/.cpan Shall we use it as the general CPAN build and cache directory? CPAN build and cache directory? [/Users/rjolly/.cpan] y cpan shell -- CPAN exploration and modules installation (v1.61) ReadLine support available (try 'install Bundle::CPAN') cpan> install Bundle::CPAN CPAN: Storable loaded ok Issuing "/usr/bin/ftp -n" Connected to ftp.demon.co.uk. 220- Welcome to Demon Internet's ftp archive. 220- 220-All public files are located under /pub. 220-All mirrors are located under /pub/mirrors. 220-Files for accessing Demon are stored under /pub/demon/ 220- 220-Demon customer web pages should be uploaded to homepages.demon.co.uk 220-not this server. 220- 220-Administrative contact for FTP is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Queries regarding 220-Demon Internet should be addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 220- 220-Malcolm Muir ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 220- 220 disabuse.ftp.demon.net FTP server (Demon/Academ/WU [2] Dec 3 15:26:46 GMT 2001) ready. 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. 230-Anonymous login from dsl-217-155-38-11.zen.co.uk. 230- 230-The local time is Wed Oct 2 10:28:53 2002. 230- 230-Material on this system is provided without warranty or guarantee and under 230-the condition that no liability for any situation or event directly, 230-indirectly or otherwise caused by access to this system is assumed by the 230-operators. It is the responsibility of the downloader to ensure any 230-material downloaded is suitable and may legally be possessed in your 230-country or establishment. 230- 230-* If the above is not permissible under your legal system * 230- * then disconnect immediately * 230- 230-You are user 8 out of 196 permitted anonymous FTP logins. 230- 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. Remote system type is UNIX. Using binary mode to transfer files. Local directory now /usr/local/src/perl-5.8.0/y/sources/authors 250 CWD command successful. 250-Welcome to the Demon Internet Service FTP Archive 250-= 250- 250-This directory contains the /pub general archive hierachy. 250-If you wish to upload new files, please consult the local documentation. 250-Many directories contain "RECENT" files listing the last 7 days uploads. 250- 250- 250 CWD command successful. 250 CWD command successful. 250 CWD command successful. 200 Type set to I. local: 01mailrc.txt.gz remote: 01mailrc.txt.gz 500 'EPSV': command not understood. 227 Entering Passive Mode (194,159,255,136,137,253) 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 01mailrc.txt.gz (55147 bytes). 100% |*| 55147 57.66 KB/s 00:00 ETA 226 Transfer complete. 55147 bytes received in 00:00 (57.40 KB/s) Can't parse time `20020928004100-14419460'. 221 Goodbye. GOT y/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz Going to read y/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz Issuing "/usr/bin/ftp -n" Connected to ftp.demon.co.uk. 220- Welcome to Demon Internet's ftp archive. 220- 220-All public files are located under /pub. 220-All mirrors are located under /pub/mirrors. 220-Files for accessing Demon are stored under /pub/demon/ 220- 220-Demon customer web pages should be uploaded to homepages.demon.co.uk 220-not this server. 220- 220-Administrative contact for FTP is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Queries regarding 220-Demon Internet should be addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 220- 220-Malcolm Muir ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 220- 220 disabuse.ftp.demon.net FTP server (Demon/Academ/WU [2] Dec 3 15:26:46 GMT 2001) ready. 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail ad
