Safari Command-F only matches prefixes??

2013-12-27 Thread Andy Lee 
This seems slightly familiar, like I might have seen it before, but part of me 
is struggling to believe it's actually possible.

In Safari 7.0.1 I do Command-F and enter "inter".  It matches "interesting" but 
*not* "winter".  Really??  This has got to be just me, right?  Maybe one of my 
installed extensions?  Anybody else seeing this?

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Re: Safari Command-F only matches prefixes??

2013-12-27 Thread Arno Hautala 
I can't check my system right now, but this doesn't seem like wrong behavior.

Presumably when you start searching for something, you know what word
you're looking for. I'm having a hard time thinking of a case where
I'd want a search to match within a word instead of just the
beginning.

If you search for "he", do you really want every instance of "the" to
be highlighted?

On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Andy Lee  wrote:
> This seems slightly familiar, like I might have seen it before, but part of 
> me is struggling to believe it's actually possible.
>
> In Safari 7.0.1 I do Command-F and enter "inter".  It matches "interesting" 
> but *not* "winter".  Really??  This has got to be just me, right?  Maybe one 
> of my installed extensions?  Anybody else seeing this?
>
> --Andy
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Re: Safari Command-F only matches prefixes??

2013-12-27 Thread Andy Lee 
On Dec 27, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Arno Hautala  wrote:
> I can't check my system right now, but this doesn't seem like wrong behavior.
> 
> Presumably when you start searching for something, you know what word
> you're looking for.

I may not be looking for a word based on its prefix.  I might be looking for 
"burger" on a restaurant page and expect "hamburger" to be found.

In any case, I found the problem.  Prefix search is an option in Safari that I 
had somehow selected.  By clicking on the magnifying glass in the Find field I 
was able to select "Contains" rather than "Starts With".

> I'm having a hard time thinking of a case where
> I'd want a search to match within a word instead of just the
> beginning.
> 
> If you search for "he", do you really want every instance of "the" to
> be highlighted?

I don't see why this is an extraordinary expectation.  Every other browser 
manages to do it.  I would be shocked at any other app that provides a "Find" 
function that *only* searches by prefix.  Pages?  Keynote?  Preview?  Stickies? 
 VoodooPad?  Mail?  Terminal?  BBEdit?  Any Twitter client?

And... of course as I wrote that, I found that iCal searches by prefix.  I 
might not mind so much except that as I type "ushi" it says "Event contains 
"ushi"", which is a lie -- it only searches for events containing words that 
begin with "ushi".

Mail does the same thing and tells the same lie.

--Andy

> 
> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Andy Lee  wrote:
>> This seems slightly familiar, like I might have seen it before, but part of 
>> me is struggling to believe it's actually possible.
>> 
>> In Safari 7.0.1 I do Command-F and enter "inter".  It matches "interesting" 
>> but *not* "winter".  Really??  This has got to be just me, right?  Maybe one 
>> of my installed extensions?  Anybody else seeing this?
>> 
>> --Andy
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Re: Safari Command-F only matches prefixes??

2013-12-27 Thread Arno Hautala 
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Andy Lee  wrote:
>
> I may not be looking for a word based on its prefix.  I might be looking for 
> "burger" on a restaurant page and expect "hamburger" to be found.

Ah, I suppose there are cases where the shorthand is common.

> In any case, I found the problem.  Prefix search is an option in Safari that 
> I had somehow selected.  By clicking on the magnifying glass in the Find 
> field I was able to select "Contains" rather than "Starts With".

Good to know; thanks.

> Mail does the same thing and tells the same lie.

Does Mail still do the thing where it only matches from the start of
the subject? Or is that on iOS?

I think Spotlight has this behavior as well.

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Re: Safari Command-F only matches prefixes??

2013-12-27 Thread Andy Lee 
On Dec 27, 2013, at 1:26 PM, Arno Hautala  wrote:
> Does Mail still do the thing where it only matches from the start of
> the subject? Or is that on iOS?

I did a quick test in desktop Mail.app (Mavericks).  When you do a "Subject 
contains" search, it does find the string in the middle of the subject line, 
but only if it is a prefix of a word.

> I think Spotlight has this behavior as well.

Yup.  I entered "afari", got very few results, changed it to "safari" and the 
list contained many more results, including this very discussion thread. :)

Thanks for discussing, and happy holidays. :)

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Re: Safari Command-F only matches prefixes??

2013-12-27 Thread Erik J. Barzeski 
Just change this in Safari:On Dec 27, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Andy Lee  wrote:On Dec 27, 2013, at 1:26 PM, Arno Hautala  wrote:Does Mail still do the thing where it only matches from the start ofthe subject? Or is that on iOS?I did a quick test in desktop Mail.app (Mavericks).  When you do a "Subject contains" search, it does find the string in the middle of the subject line, but only if it is a prefix of a word.I think Spotlight has this behavior as well.Yup.  I entered "afari", got very few results, changed it to "safari" and the list contained many more results, including this very discussion thread. :)Thanks for discussing, and happy holidays. :)--Andy___MacOSX-talk mailing listMacOSX-talk@omnigroup.comhttp://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk--     Best wishes,     Erik J. BarzeskiLife is a mistake. As with all mistakes, you'd bebest advised to learn from it and make the best of it.- Lewis Carroll--AIM: iacas    BLOG: nslog.com    GOLF: thesandtrap.com--___
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Re: Safari Command-F only matches prefixes??

2013-12-27 Thread LuKreme 
In our previous episode (Friday, 27-Dec-2013), Erik J. Barzeski said:
> Just change this in Safari:

How do you get a search field in Safari? Or are you all using Safari V. Old?

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Re: Safari Command-F only matches prefixes??

2013-12-27 Thread Andy Lee 
On Dec 27, 2013, at 6:00 PM, LuKreme  wrote:
> In our previous episode (Friday, 27-Dec-2013), Erik J. Barzeski said:
>> Just change this in Safari:
> 
> How do you get a search field in Safari? Or are you all using Safari V. Old?

I'm using Safari 7.0.1.  I hit Command-F and a search field appears in the top 
right corner.

I just checked and that also works in Safari 6.0.5 on Mountain Lion.  And the 
magnifying-glass popup has the same two options and defaults to "Starts With" 
rather than "Contains".  At least I assume that's the default -- I don't think 
I'd have gone out of my way to choose that setting  So it must have been what I 
wanted enough of the time that I never noticed.

Though who knows how many hamburgers I failed to get because of it. :)

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Re: Safari Command-F only matches prefixes??

2013-12-27 Thread LuKreme 
In our previous episode (Friday, 27-Dec-2013), Andy Lee said:
> I'm using Safari 7.0.1.  I hit Command-F and a search field appears in the 
> top right corner.

Oh, right, THAT find. Heh. Never mind. I am filled with too much brandy and 
fruitcake and fudge.

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Re: Safari Command-F only matches prefixes??

2013-12-27 Thread Andy Lee 
On Dec 27, 2013, at 6:55 PM, LuKreme  wrote:
> In our previous episode (Friday, 27-Dec-2013), Andy Lee said:
>> I'm using Safari 7.0.1.  I hit Command-F and a search field appears in the 
>> top right corner.
> 
> Oh, right, THAT find. Heh. Never mind. I am filled with too much brandy and 
> fruitcake and fudge.

:) Glad to hear it!

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