Re: RFC: Drop PPC support

2014-10-02 Thread Takeshi Enomoto
 Historically we officially support the current and previous Mac OS X release 
 (while not doing anything to on-purpose break older releases / being willing 
 to accept patches to make things work on older releases).

If we are not going to change this policy,
PPC is no longer supported.
It is up to the maintainers or the port.
We don't have to remove what are still available for PPC.

Personally I still use a big-endian Power Mac and try to maintain some ports
as far as I can.

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Takeshi Enomoto
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Re: RFC: Drop PPC support

2014-10-02 Thread Sean Farley

Takeshi Enomoto writes:

 Historically we officially support the current and previous Mac OS X release 
 (while not doing anything to on-purpose break older releases / being willing 
 to accept patches to make things work on older releases).

 If we are not going to change this policy,
 PPC is no longer supported.
 It is up to the maintainers or the port.
 We don't have to remove what are still available for PPC.

 Personally I still use a big-endian Power Mac and try to maintain some ports
 as far as I can.

I think that's fine but as a policy (meaning: written as a FAQ or a
documentation of some kind) the first answer for PPC tickets should be:
you're on your own.

If a macports dev wants to help out personally, then sure, go for it.
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Re: RFC: Drop PPC support

2014-10-01 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Oct 1, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Sean Farley s...@macports.org wrote:
 
 As discussed in the MPI thread, PPC is very old and is causing quite the
 development burden. I would be in favor of discussing how much effort we
 really want to spend supporting them (similar to supporting libstdc++ on
 Mavericks).
 
 We could tag some known version of the MacPorts svn tree for PPC users
 and be done with it. This would allow us to concentrate on other issues.
 
 We could also talk about how far of an OS back do we really want to
 support. Tiger and Leopard are decrepit. We don't even have buildbots
 for PPC nor OSes below Lion.
 
 Should we finally drop some of this older stuff?
 
 Comments welcomed.

Historically we officially support the current and previous Mac OS X release 
(while not doing anything to on-purpose break older releases / being willing to 
accept patches to make things work on older releases).

I think that's a reasonable policy.

We have made some effort to support PPC machines for a while longer than that, 
which was nice, but we probably shouldn't be doing anymore.

I don't think we should provide installers/builds for anything other than the 
supported Mac OS X releases - and I also think we should make sure we're only 
supporting OS releases that are currently getting security updates from 
upstream...

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Re: RFC: Drop PPC support

2014-10-01 Thread Frank Schima

On Oct 1, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Daniel J. Luke dl...@geeklair.net wrote:

 On Oct 1, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Sean Farley s...@macports.org wrote:
 
 As discussed in the MPI thread, PPC is very old and is causing quite the
 development burden. I would be in favor of discussing how much effort we
 really want to spend supporting them (similar to supporting libstdc++ on
 Mavericks).
 
 We could tag some known version of the MacPorts svn tree for PPC users
 and be done with it. This would allow us to concentrate on other issues.
 
 We could also talk about how far of an OS back do we really want to
 support. Tiger and Leopard are decrepit. We don't even have buildbots
 for PPC nor OSes below Lion.
 
 Should we finally drop some of this older stuff?
 
 Comments welcomed.
 
 Historically we officially support the current and previous Mac OS X release 
 (while not doing anything to on-purpose break older releases / being willing 
 to accept patches to make things work on older releases).
 
 I think that's a reasonable policy.
 
 We have made some effort to support PPC machines for a while longer than 
 that, which was nice, but we probably shouldn't be doing anymore.
 
 I don't think we should provide installers/builds for anything other than the 
 supported Mac OS X releases - and I also think we should make sure we're only 
 supporting OS releases that are currently getting security updates from 
 upstream…

+1 

It’s long overdue that we drop support for legacy (not supported by Apple) 
systems. 


-Frank

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Re: RFC: Drop PPC support

2014-10-01 Thread Bradley Giesbrecht

On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Sean Farley s...@macports.org wrote:

 As discussed in the MPI thread, PPC is very old and is causing quite the
 development burden. I would be in favor of discussing how much effort we
 really want to spend supporting them (similar to supporting libstdc++ on
 Mavericks).
 
 We could tag some known version of the MacPorts svn tree for PPC users
 and be done with it. This would allow us to concentrate on other issues.
 
 We could also talk about how far of an OS back do we really want to
 support. Tiger and Leopard are decrepit. We don't even have buildbots
 for PPC nor OSes below Lion.

There are buildbots for Snow Leopard.
https://build.macports.org/buildslaves

Regards,
Bradley Giesbrecht (pixilla)



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Re: RFC: Drop PPC support

2014-10-01 Thread Sean Farley

Bradley Giesbrecht writes:

 On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Sean Farley s...@macports.org wrote:

 As discussed in the MPI thread, PPC is very old and is causing quite the
 development burden. I would be in favor of discussing how much effort we
 really want to spend supporting them (similar to supporting libstdc++ on
 Mavericks).
 
 We could tag some known version of the MacPorts svn tree for PPC users
 and be done with it. This would allow us to concentrate on other issues.
 
 We could also talk about how far of an OS back do we really want to
 support. Tiger and Leopard are decrepit. We don't even have buildbots
 for PPC nor OSes below Lion.

 There are buildbots for Snow Leopard.
 https://build.macports.org/buildslaves

Whoops, I missed that.
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