Re: Using a different bugtracker [Was: Re: Poll: should Trac send email notifications when adding or replacing an attachment?]

[René J . V . Bertin]

On Friday November 04 2016 23:52:30 Joshua Root wrote:

>We could really do without this kind of sarcastic, insinuated personal 
>attack.

For the record, there was nothing personal intended in my remark; it was 
inspired by recent exchanges I've seen that involved more than just the 2 
people cited. Apologies if I forgot that English remains a foreign language for 
me.

As to remarks that can be (mis)interpreted as often barely insinuated personal 
attacks: I'm most definitely not the only one on here who can be accused of 
that. And I'd hope certainly not of harsh or borderline vulgar language.

I won't be replying any further.

R.
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Re: Using a different bugtracker [Was: Re: Poll: should Trac send email notifications when adding or replacing an attachment?]

[Joshua Root]

On 2016-11-4 19:36 , René J. V. Bertin wrote:

Lawrence Velázquez wrote:


Overall, can we just stop this discussion, please? We settled to stay

migrating is not worth it right now. At this point, we are kicking
a horse that is dead and buried and worm food, and it is wasting
everyone's time and energy. Enough.


So is this the kind of attitude with which you think to motivate others to
contribute to help make MP better?

Great job, really.


We could really do without this kind of sarcastic, insinuated personal 
attack. Cool it.


And yes, by explaining just how unlikely we are to make this change, 
Larry is attempting to direct contributions towards more productive 
areas. We're not doing another ticket migration any time soon, and we're 
even less likely to add a second bug tracker.


- Josh
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Re: Using a different bugtracker [Was: Re: Poll: should Trac send email notifications when adding or replacing an attachment?]

[René J . V . Bertin]

Lawrence Velázquez wrote:

>>> Overall, can we just stop this discussion, please? We settled to stay
> migrating is not worth it right now. At this point, we are kicking
> a horse that is dead and buried and worm food, and it is wasting
> everyone's time and energy. Enough.

So is this the kind of attitude with which you think to motivate others to 
contribute to help make MP better?

Great job, really.

R

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Re: Using a different bugtracker [Was: Re: Poll: should Trac send email notifications when adding or replacing an attachment?]

[Lawrence Velázquez]

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:01 AM, René J.V. Bertin  wrote:
> 
> On Thursday November 03 2016 12:42:40 Rainer Müller wrote:
> 
>> Overall, can we just stop this discussion, please? We settled to stay
>> with Trac and it is not going to change.
> 
> Really, all your decisions are always set in stone from the very
> moment you make them regardless of how things evolve?

This is not the first discussion we have had about possibly switching
bug trackers. All have generally concluded that, despite Trac's warts,
migrating is not worth it right now. At this point, we are kicking
a horse that is dead and buried and worm food, and it is wasting
everyone's time and energy. Enough.

vq
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Re: Using a different bugtracker [Was: Re: Poll: should Trac send email notifications when adding or replacing an attachment?]

[René J . V . Bertin]

On Thursday November 03 2016 12:42:40 Rainer Müller wrote:

> What do you want to discuss then? A bug tracker is for tracking, we will
> not throw everything away that was reported.

Not converting isn't the same as throwing away.

> Overall, can we just stop this discussion, please? We settled to stay
> with Trac and it is not going to change.

Really, all your decisions are always set in stone from the very moment you 
make them regardless of how things evolve?
You'd love it here in France, you could even participate in popular riots that 
arise when governments dare to investigate change to something the populace 
considers something they've earned for all posterity.

R.
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Re: Using a different bugtracker [Was: Re: Poll: should Trac send email notifications when adding or replacing an attachment?]

[Rainer Müller]

On 2016-11-03 12:38, René J.V. Bertin wrote:
> Conversion of existing tickets would be nifty, but I don't think it's 
> something I'd miss myself.

What do you want to discuss then? A bug tracker is for tracking, we will
not throw everything away that was reported.

Overall, can we just stop this discussion, please? We settled to stay
with Trac and it is not going to change.

Rainer
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Re: Using a different bugtracker [Was: Re: Poll: should Trac send email notifications when adding or replacing an attachment?]

[René J . V . Bertin]

On Thursday November 03 2016 11:30:50 Clemens Lang wrote:

> We also looked into other bugtrackers, and there was no clear benefit over 
> Trac
> to justify switching.

It may just be an impression, but bugzilla comes across as more feature-rich to 
me.

Conversion of existing tickets would be nifty, but I don't think it's something 
I'd miss myself.
(FWIW, Bugzilla has a programmatic interface for use by remote clients; this 
could be used to add references to tickets on a previous tracker, in case a 
migration is ever done.)

R
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Using a different bugtracker [Was: Re: Poll: should Trac send email notifications when adding or replacing an attachment?]

[Clemens Lang]

Hi,

- On 3 Nov, 2016, at 10:58, René J.V. Bertin rjvber...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not to open another can of worms, but just how married are we to trac? Of 
> course
> it's never evident to migrate a web service, but has it never been considered 
> to
> investigate other popular bug trackers (e.g. bugzilla) and possibly switch 
> over
> by redirecting all new ticket requests to the new service?
> Github also has an issue tracker, for instance. I'm not familiar enough with 
> its
> advanced features. I couldn't say if it does attachments, but it does have 1
> rare feature I like very much: replying by email.

We actually investigated other solutions for the GitHub move. Some of us would
have preferred using the GitHub issue tracker, and we even had a conversion of
our tickets to GitHub already, but the longer we looked at it, the more problems
and limitations we actually found, which is why we ended up staying with Trac.

We also looked into other bugtrackers, and there was no clear benefit over Trac
to justify switching.

-- 
Clemens Lang
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