Re: Some Homebrew commands send data to Google Analytics vs. port mpstats

2016-12-15 Thread Clemens Lang 
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 04:00:37AM +1100, Joshua Root wrote:
> The installer isn't really conducive to this. We could definitely
> advertise it better though, both in the documentation and with a
> message inviting users to install the port if they haven't. I'm
> thinking the latter should use the interactive bits to allow users to
> say "never remind me again".

I think we can make this a one-time interactive question with Yes/No/Ask
Me Later options. This would be neither opt-in nor opt-out and might
give us good coverage.

> But first we should probably get the stats web view running on a
> macports.org domain.

Agreed. That should not be difficult now that we have server access.

-- 
Clemens

Re: Some Homebrew commands send data to Google Analytics vs. port mpstats

2016-12-15 Thread Joshua Root 
The installer isn't really conducive to this. We could definitely 
advertise it better though, both in the documentation and with a message 
inviting users to install the port if they haven't. I'm thinking the 
latter should use the interactive bits to allow users to say "never 
remind me again".


But first we should probably get the stats web view running on a 
macports.org domain.


- Josh

On 2016-12-16 02:54 , Russell Jones wrote:

A tickbox in the installer wouldn't hurt, I guess?

Russell


On 27/11/16 05:48, Ryan Schmidt wrote:

I also read that article yesterday.

Because our statistics are opt in, and the user is not invited to
enable them during the installation, and they are not described in the
guide or anywhere that I'm aware of, the number of users who have
found and enabled it are minuscule and probably not representative of
MacPorts users as a whole.

The lack of statistics about how many users use MacPorts and what
ports they have installed is probably hurting us.

-Ryan



On Nov 26, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Marko Käning 
wrote:

Hi,

the other day I found an article on hacker news [1] which eventually
made clear
that homebrew actually sends (some) data to google analytics by
default [2]!

I am happy about MacPorts’ “analytics” by port mpstats being
absolutely opt-in
and keeping the data within MacPorts (Clemens’ server in fact) and
doesn’t try
anything funny!

Thanks, MacPorts for caring (more) about its users privacy!

Greets,
Marko


[1] https://tobiastom.name/notes/7a79eed0
[2]
https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/7f13b37b903564e2a64cea982d6b84d1aa6b800b/Library/Homebrew/utils/analytics.sh#L73-L94

Re: Some Homebrew commands send data to Google Analytics vs. port mpstats

2016-11-26 Thread Ryan Schmidt 
I also read that article yesterday.

Because our statistics are opt in, and the user is not invited to enable them 
during the installation, and they are not described in the guide or anywhere 
that I'm aware of, the number of users who have found and enabled it are 
minuscule and probably not representative of MacPorts users as a whole.

The lack of statistics about how many users use MacPorts and what ports they 
have installed is probably hurting us.

-Ryan


> On Nov 26, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Marko Käning  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> the other day I found an article on hacker news [1] which eventually made 
> clear
> that homebrew actually sends (some) data to google analytics by default [2]!
> 
> I am happy about MacPorts’ “analytics” by port mpstats being absolutely opt-in
> and keeping the data within MacPorts (Clemens’ server in fact) and doesn’t try
> anything funny!
> 
> Thanks, MacPorts for caring (more) about its users privacy!
> 
> Greets,
> Marko
> 
> 
> [1] https://tobiastom.name/notes/7a79eed0
> [2] 
> https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/7f13b37b903564e2a64cea982d6b84d1aa6b800b/Library/Homebrew/utils/analytics.sh#L73-L94
>

Some Homebrew commands send data to Google Analytics vs. port mpstats

2016-11-26 Thread Marko Käning 
Hi,

the other day I found an article on hacker news [1] which eventually made clear
that homebrew actually sends (some) data to google analytics by default [2]!

I am happy about MacPorts’ “analytics” by port mpstats being absolutely opt-in
and keeping the data within MacPorts (Clemens’ server in fact) and doesn’t try
anything funny!

Thanks, MacPorts for caring (more) about its users privacy!

Greets,
Marko


[1] https://tobiastom.name/notes/7a79eed0
[2] 
https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/7f13b37b903564e2a64cea982d6b84d1aa6b800b/Library/Homebrew/utils/analytics.sh#L73-L94