Re: [MacRuby-devel] Is HotCocoa dead?

2011-03-25 Thread Thibault Martin-Lagardette 
That's pretty cool :-).

Although "def [](key)" in nsuserdefaults_additions.rb seems to be unnecessary, 
because macruby should already do that. It should automatically replace [] and 
[]= calls to objectForKey: and setObject:forKey: (when necessary only, of 
course).
I see you added deletion and sync on []=, which is why I didn't point it being 
unnecessary :-)


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On Friday, March 25, 2011 at 02:21, dan sinclair wrote: 
> For me, I've basically dropped HotCocoa. After doing a few apps with it I 
> quickly came to realize that I liked IB and building apps that way. The thing 
> that I've missed from HotCocoa is all the little Ruby-ish extensions that it 
> added to various classes. As I've built other apps I've been collecting up a 
> few of those and decided to stuff them into a gem.
> 
> You can see them at https://github.com/dj2/Bean if you're interested.
> 
> Out of curiosity, what's the correct way to mark a gem as MacRuby only so I 
> can push it up to rubygems.org?
> 
> dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 24, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
> 
> > Rich just sold his company to Living Social and I'm sure he's really busy 
> > ATM.
> > If people are willing to hack on this project and maintain it (the core 
> > team won't), we probably should move it to its own repo and give commit 
> > rights to people.
> > 
> > Who's interested in created a HotCocoa team?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > - Matt
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Manfred Stienstra  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > On Mar 24, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> > 
> > > Would anyone who was previously involved in the maintenance of the
> > > project explain what would be involved in a new set of people
> > > maintaining the code base?
> > 
> > The blessed repository is on GitHub [1]. I'm sure Rich would love to accept 
> > patches for the from anyone who's interested in working on it.
> > 
> > Manfred
> > 
> > [1] https://github.com/richkilmer/hotcocoa
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Is HotCocoa dead?

2011-03-25 Thread dan sinclair 
Sweet, didn't know about the automatic translation of objectForKey:. Will keep 
that in mind before wrapping it, heh. Are there any other methods to keep in 
mind that MacRuby automatically translates to a Ruby-ish version?

Thanks,
dan


On 2011-03-25, at 3:14 AM, Thibault Martin-Lagardette wrote:

> That's pretty cool :-).
> 
> Although "def [](key)" in nsuserdefaults_additions.rb seems to be 
> unnecessary, because macruby should already do that. It should automatically 
> replace [] and []= calls to objectForKey: and setObject:forKey: (when 
> necessary only, of course).
> I see you added deletion and sync on []=, which is why I didn't point it 
> being unnecessary :-)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Thibault Martin-Lagardette
> 
> On Friday, March 25, 2011 at 02:21, dan sinclair wrote:
> 
>> For me, I've basically dropped HotCocoa. After doing a few apps with it I 
>> quickly came to realize that I liked IB and building apps that way. The 
>> thing that I've missed from HotCocoa is all the little Ruby-ish extensions 
>> that it added to various classes. As I've built other apps I've been 
>> collecting up a few of those and decided to stuff them into a gem.
>> 
>> You can see them at https://github.com/dj2/Bean if you're interested.
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, what's the correct way to mark a gem as MacRuby only so I 
>> can push it up to rubygems.org?
>> 
>> dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
>> 
>>> Rich just sold his company to Living Social and I'm sure he's really busy 
>>> ATM.
>>> If people are willing to hack on this project and maintain it (the core 
>>> team won't), we probably should move it to its own repo and give commit 
>>> rights to people.
>>> 
>>> Who's interested in created a HotCocoa team?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> - Matt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Manfred Stienstra  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
>>> 
 Would anyone who was previously involved in the maintenance of the
 project explain what would be involved in a new set of people
 maintaining the code base?
>>> 
>>> The blessed repository is on GitHub [1]. I'm sure Rich would love to accept 
>>> patches for the from anyone who's interested in working on it.
>>> 
>>> Manfred
>>> 
>>> [1] https://github.com/richkilmer/hotcocoa
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Is HotCocoa dead?

2011-03-25 Thread dan sinclair 
I was trying to keep the various forks in line for a while before I stopped 
working on HotCocoa. If you look at the network graph, there is a fork off of 
mine which I think contains everything that has been worked on so far. Maybe a 
good place to start synchronizing from.

dan



On 2011-03-24, at 10:57 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:

> Jordan, moving to GitHub helped but it also created fragmentation. Everyone 
> is working on its own fork and there is nobody to centralize all the changes 
> in a single repo.
> I agree that having a MacRuby based Processing like solution would be awesome.
> 
> - Matt
> 
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Jordan K. Hubbard  wrote:
> 
> On Mar 24, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
> 
> > Rich just sold his company to Living Social and I'm sure he's really busy 
> > ATM.
> > If people are willing to hack on this project and maintain it (the core 
> > team won't), we probably should move it to its own repo and give commit 
> > rights to people.
> >
> > Who's interested in created a HotCocoa team?
> 
> I thought the project's being on GitHub facilitated this already?  You guys 
> should be able to start forking away and coordinating your patches over email 
> if there's any real interest in creating such a team!  I think it would be 
> interesting, myself, particularly if it led to the creation of something that 
> could compare to Processing. :)
> 
> - Jordan
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Is HotCocoa dead?

2011-03-25 Thread Matt Aimonetti 
there you go:
http://ofps.oreilly.com/titles/9781449380373/ch01.html#_syntactic_sugar

- Matt

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:24 AM, dan sinclair  wrote:

> Sweet, didn't know about the automatic translation of objectForKey:. Will
> keep that in mind before wrapping it, heh. Are there any other methods to
> keep in mind that MacRuby automatically translates to a Ruby-ish version?
>
> Thanks,
> dan
>
>
> On 2011-03-25, at 3:14 AM, Thibault Martin-Lagardette wrote:
>
> > That's pretty cool :-).
> >
> > Although "def [](key)" in nsuserdefaults_additions.rb seems to be
> unnecessary, because macruby should already do that. It should automatically
> replace [] and []= calls to objectForKey: and setObject:forKey: (when
> necessary only, of course).
> > I see you added deletion and sync on []=, which is why I didn't point it
> being unnecessary :-)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thibault Martin-Lagardette
> >
> > On Friday, March 25, 2011 at 02:21, dan sinclair wrote:
> >
> >> For me, I've basically dropped HotCocoa. After doing a few apps with it
> I quickly came to realize that I liked IB and building apps that way. The
> thing that I've missed from HotCocoa is all the little Ruby-ish extensions
> that it added to various classes. As I've built other apps I've been
> collecting up a few of those and decided to stuff them into a gem.
> >>
> >> You can see them at https://github.com/dj2/Bean if you're interested.
> >>
> >> Out of curiosity, what's the correct way to mark a gem as MacRuby only
> so I can push it up to rubygems.org?
> >>
> >> dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 24, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
> >>
> >>> Rich just sold his company to Living Social and I'm sure he's really
> busy ATM.
> >>> If people are willing to hack on this project and maintain it (the core
> team won't), we probably should move it to its own repo and give commit
> rights to people.
> >>>
> >>> Who's interested in created a HotCocoa team?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> - Matt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Manfred Stienstra 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 24, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> >>>
>  Would anyone who was previously involved in the maintenance of the
>  project explain what would be involved in a new set of people
>  maintaining the code base?
> >>>
> >>> The blessed repository is on GitHub [1]. I'm sure Rich would love to
> accept patches for the from anyone who's interested in working on it.
> >>>
> >>> Manfred
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://github.com/richkilmer/hotcocoa
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] 0.9 update

2011-03-25 Thread Thomas R. Koll 
Hi,

sorry for the delay but I wanted to wait for xcode 4.0 support.

code is here:
https://github.com/TomK32/macruby-statusmenu

* status menu, editable in IB
* awesome icon for that menu
* custom view inside that menu
* runs as agent, no icon in the dock menu

ciao, tom


Am 23.02.2011 um 23:14 schrieb Laurent Sansonetti:

> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Yes that would be awesome! Please file a new ticket and attach your sample 
> there, and we will review and add it to the samples repository :)
> 
> Laurent
> 
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:25 AM, Thomas R. Koll wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Great timing, I've switched from 0.8 to edge just a few days ago due to
>> a bug that was fixed two days after 0.8 came out. :)
>> 
>> Btw, can I contribute an example of a StatusBarMenu with a custom view in 
>> one of the menuitems?
>> 

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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Is HotCocoa dead?

2011-03-25 Thread Henry Maddocks 

On 25/03/2011, at 2:21 PM, dan sinclair wrote:

> For me, I've basically dropped HotCocoa. After doing a few apps with it I 
> quickly came to realize that I liked IB and building apps that way. The thing 
> that I've missed from HotCocoa is all the little Ruby-ish extensions that it 
> added to various classes. As I've built other apps I've been collecting up a 
> few of those and decided to stuff them into a gem.
> 
> You can see them at https://github.com/dj2/Bean if you're interested.


This is very good. I can see them being very useful.

Here's one I use a lot. Feel free to add it.

class NSIndexSet
include Enumerable

def each
i = self.firstIndex
until i == NSNotFound
   yield i
   i = self.indexGreaterThanIndex(i)
end
end

end



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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Is HotCocoa dead?

2011-03-25 Thread dan sinclair 
Cool, added. If you have others, feel free to fork and send me a pull request.

Thanks,
dan



On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Henry Maddocks wrote:

> 
> On 25/03/2011, at 2:21 PM, dan sinclair wrote:
> 
>> For me, I've basically dropped HotCocoa. After doing a few apps with it I 
>> quickly came to realize that I liked IB and building apps that way. The 
>> thing that I've missed from HotCocoa is all the little Ruby-ish extensions 
>> that it added to various classes. As I've built other apps I've been 
>> collecting up a few of those and decided to stuff them into a gem.
>> 
>> You can see them at https://github.com/dj2/Bean if you're interested.
> 
> 
> This is very good. I can see them being very useful.
> 
> Here's one I use a lot. Feel free to add it.
> 
> class NSIndexSet
> include Enumerable
> 
> def each
> i = self.firstIndex
> until i == NSNotFound
>yield i
>i = self.indexGreaterThanIndex(i)
> end
> end
> 
> end
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Is HotCocoa dead?

2011-03-25 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard 
I think that Dan just declared himself the new project lead! :-)

Seriously, I understand Matt's point about fragmentation, but I honestly 
haven't seen enough action in this space to really merit that much concern 
about it.  HotCocoa's problems are deeper than a small collection of one or two 
line patches, the bigger questions being:

1. What problem, or problems, is HotCocoa really trying to solve (and does it 
currently solve them)?

2. How far should HotCocoa go?  Does it want to front-end every bit of complex 
Cocoa API or design pattern such that one can do, say, something meaningful 
with CoreData with just a few lines of code?  If not, how much is considered 
reasonable and why?

3. How will the folks working on HotCocoa know when they're "finished"?  
(Related to both #1 and #2).

4. UIKit vs AppKit.  Sure, right now only one of them are relevant to MacRuby, 
but should that change, how might this affect HotCocoa?

I'm sure folks can come up with even more "pertinent questions", those are just 
some of the first ones to pop into my own head!

- Jordan


On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:25 AM, dan sinclair wrote:

> I was trying to keep the various forks in line for a while before I stopped 
> working on HotCocoa. If you look at the network graph, there is a fork off of 
> mine which I think contains everything that has been worked on so far. Maybe 
> a good place to start synchronizing from.
> 
> dan
> 
> On 2011-03-24, at 10:57 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
> 
>> Jordan, moving to GitHub helped but it also created fragmentation. Everyone 
>> is working on its own fork and there is nobody to centralize all the changes 
>> in a single repo.
>> I agree that having a MacRuby based Processing like solution would be 
>> awesome.
>> 
>> - Matt
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Jordan K. Hubbard  wrote:
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
>> 
>>> Rich just sold his company to Living Social and I'm sure he's really busy 
>>> ATM.
>>> If people are willing to hack on this project and maintain it (the core 
>>> team won't), we probably should move it to its own repo and give commit 
>>> rights to people.
>>> 
>>> Who's interested in created a HotCocoa team?
>> 
>> I thought the project's being on GitHub facilitated this already?  You guys 
>> should be able to start forking away and coordinating your patches over 
>> email if there's any real interest in creating such a team!  I think it 
>> would be interesting, myself, particularly if it led to the creation of 
>> something that could compare to Processing. :)
>> 
>> - Jordan
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[MacRuby-devel] Moving to GitHub!

2011-03-25 Thread Laurent Sansonetti 
Hi guys,

We finally decided to move MacRuby's source code repository from subversion to 
Git, and GitHub seems to be the best place to do it. 

The move will happen somewhere this week-end, or Monday. The repository address 
will be: https://github.com/MacRuby/MacRuby. Currently, this repository is a 
mirror of the subversion one.

Here is how we will proceed:

1) Add frequent contributors to the GitHub repository. [Done]
2) Update the nightly build process to use the GitHub repository. [Done]
3) Stop the GitHub repository mirroring.
4) Empty the trunk branch of the subversion repository, and just keep a text 
file saying that we moved to GitHub.
5) Refresh the website.

Once this is done, frequent contributors can commit to the central repository 
on GitHub, and MacRuby's development can continue. We will keep the rest of the 
infrastructure (such as Trac for managing the tickets), only the source code 
repository moves.

If you have any suggestion or concern let us know. Also, it's possible that I 
forgot a step or two, as I'm writing this under the influence of a few guinness 
:) Hopefully Eloy or Matt will correct me.

Thanks!
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Moving to GitHub!

2011-03-25 Thread Matt Aimonetti 
If you were willing to contribute but didn't feel like using SVN, you can
already fork the current repo (mirror) and prepare your pull requests:
http://help.github.com/pull-requests/

Basically, the switch is a technicality for most of you, but it is quite a
big change for the core team. With Xcode using git by default and Laurent
finally converting, the choice was pretty simple. Bye bye git-svn!

We do hope to see more of you contributing now ;)

- Matt

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Laurent Sansonetti
wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> We finally decided to move MacRuby's source code repository from subversion
> to Git, and GitHub seems to be the best place to do it.
>
> The move will happen somewhere this week-end, or Monday. The repository
> address will be: https://github.com/MacRuby/MacRuby. Currently, this
> repository is a mirror of the subversion one.
>
> Here is how we will proceed:
>
> 1) Add frequent contributors to the GitHub repository. [Done]
> 2) Update the nightly build process to use the GitHub repository. [Done]
> 3) Stop the GitHub repository mirroring.
> 4) Empty the trunk branch of the subversion repository, and just keep a
> text file saying that we moved to GitHub.
> 5) Refresh the website.
>
> Once this is done, frequent contributors can commit to the central
> repository on GitHub, and MacRuby's development can continue. We will keep
> the rest of the infrastructure (such as Trac for managing the tickets), only
> the source code repository moves.
>
> If you have any suggestion or concern let us know. Also, it's possible that
> I forgot a step or two, as I'm writing this under the influence of a few
> guinness :) Hopefully Eloy or Matt will correct me.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Is HotCocoa dead?

2011-03-25 Thread Joseph Holsten 
On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:13 PM, "Jordan K. Hubbard"  wrote:

> [...] 
> 
> 4. UIKit vs AppKit.  Sure, right now only one of them are relevant to 
> MacRuby, but should that change, how might this affect HotCocoa?

See also: http://chameleonproject.org/

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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Moving to GitHub!

2011-03-25 Thread Mark Rada 
I've made pull request type things in the form of trac tickets, should I make 
pull requests for those tickets now or leave them them as tickets?

Sent from my iDevice

On 2011-03-26, at 12:55 AM, Matt Aimonetti  wrote:

> If you were willing to contribute but didn't feel like using SVN, you can 
> already fork the current repo (mirror) and prepare your pull requests:
> http://help.github.com/pull-requests/
> 
> Basically, the switch is a technicality for most of you, but it is quite a 
> big change for the core team. With Xcode using git by default and Laurent 
> finally converting, the choice was pretty simple. Bye bye git-svn!
> 
> We do hope to see more of you contributing now ;)
> 
> - Matt
> 
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Laurent Sansonetti  
> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> We finally decided to move MacRuby's source code repository from subversion 
> to Git, and GitHub seems to be the best place to do it.
> 
> The move will happen somewhere this week-end, or Monday. The repository 
> address will be: https://github.com/MacRuby/MacRuby. Currently, this 
> repository is a mirror of the subversion one.
> 
> Here is how we will proceed:
> 
> 1) Add frequent contributors to the GitHub repository. [Done]
> 2) Update the nightly build process to use the GitHub repository. [Done]
> 3) Stop the GitHub repository mirroring.
> 4) Empty the trunk branch of the subversion repository, and just keep a text 
> file saying that we moved to GitHub.
> 5) Refresh the website.
> 
> Once this is done, frequent contributors can commit to the central repository 
> on GitHub, and MacRuby's development can continue. We will keep the rest of 
> the infrastructure (such as Trac for managing the tickets), only the source 
> code repository moves.
> 
> If you have any suggestion or concern let us know. Also, it's possible that I 
> forgot a step or two, as I'm writing this under the influence of a few 
> guinness :) Hopefully Eloy or Matt will correct me.
> 
> Thanks!
> Laurent
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Moving to GitHub!

2011-03-25 Thread Matt Aimonetti 
Pull requests will be better, but please wait until Monday or Tuesday that
we convert the account into an organizational account and turn off the
replication.
I'm not sure what would happen to a pull request received before we change
the account status.

- Matt

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Mark Rada  wrote:

> I've made pull request type things in the form of trac tickets, should I
> make pull requests for those tickets now or leave them them as tickets?
>
> Sent from my iDevice
>
> On 2011-03-26, at 12:55 AM, Matt Aimonetti 
> wrote:
>
> If you were willing to contribute but didn't feel like using SVN, you can
> already fork the current repo (mirror) and prepare your pull requests:
> 
> http://help.github.com/pull-requests/
>
> Basically, the switch is a technicality for most of you, but it is quite a
> big change for the core team. With Xcode using git by default and Laurent
> finally converting, the choice was pretty simple. Bye bye git-svn!
>
> We do hope to see more of you contributing now ;)
>
> - Matt
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Laurent Sansonetti <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> We finally decided to move MacRuby's source code repository from
>> subversion to Git, and GitHub seems to be the best place to do it.
>>
>> The move will happen somewhere this week-end, or Monday. The repository
>> address will be: 
>> https://github.com/MacRuby/MacRuby. Currently, this repository is a
>> mirror of the subversion one.
>>
>> Here is how we will proceed:
>>
>> 1) Add frequent contributors to the GitHub repository. [Done]
>> 2) Update the nightly build process to use the GitHub repository. [Done]
>> 3) Stop the GitHub repository mirroring.
>> 4) Empty the trunk branch of the subversion repository, and just keep a
>> text file saying that we moved to GitHub.
>> 5) Refresh the website.
>>
>> Once this is done, frequent contributors can commit to the central
>> repository on GitHub, and MacRuby's development can continue. We will keep
>> the rest of the infrastructure (such as Trac for managing the tickets), only
>> the source code repository moves.
>>
>> If you have any suggestion or concern let us know. Also, it's possible
>> that I forgot a step or two, as I'm writing this under the influence of a
>> few guinness :) Hopefully Eloy or Matt will correct me.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Laurent
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