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[MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti

Hey guys,

A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with MacRuby
releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC is the
future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.

First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS
and OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby runs
on MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that plan
probably means not using the GC anymore :p

Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well, we
are waiting on him but it should happen any day
now;)

Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the site
but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there:
https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some time
over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to email
the mailing list about that.

Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our
templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to
modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or
maybe we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version (thoughts?)

Extra ideas for volunteers:

   - Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the release
   blog post by giving him a summarized changelog
   - Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate and I
   quickly looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really
   straightforward (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better than
   dealing with AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a
   MacRuby/Cocoa package.
   - Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
   - Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is fine
   but original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed in the
   book)
   - Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute feature
   and fix bugs.

Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we
need to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are
interested in helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the
next level.

Thanks,

- Matt
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread James Chen

Matt,

Great and excited to hear all these!

Regarding Xcode template support, dropping update < Xcode 4.3 would not be
a big issue. For 4.2 or lower the current template can be used.

Can't wait to see 0.11 and other updates!

Thanks a lot!

James

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with
> MacRuby releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC
> is the future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.
>
> First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS
> and OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby runs
> on MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that plan
> probably means not using the GC anymore :p
>
> Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well, we
> are waiting on him but it should happen any day 
> now;)
>
> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the
> site but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there:
> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some
> time over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to
> email the mailing list about that.
>
> Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our
> templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to
> modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or
> maybe we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version (thoughts?)
>
> Extra ideas for volunteers:
>
>- Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the release
>blog post by giving him a summarized changelog
>- Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate and I
>quickly looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really
>straightforward (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better than
>dealing with AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a
>MacRuby/Cocoa package.
>- Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
>- Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is
>fine but original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed in
>the book)
>- Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute feature
>and fix bugs.
>
> Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we
> need to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are
> interested in helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the
> next level.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Matt
>
>
>
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti

Thanks James, the templates didn't change in 4.3, but the location where
they live did.
Are you volunteering to update our installer to cover 4.3? ;)

Thanks in advance,

- Matt

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 1:12 AM, James Chen  wrote:

> Matt,
>
> Great and excited to hear all these!
>
> Regarding Xcode template support, dropping update < Xcode 4.3 would not be
> a big issue. For 4.2 or lower the current template can be used.
>
> Can't wait to see 0.11 and other updates!
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> James
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Matt Aimonetti 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with
>> MacRuby releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC
>> is the future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.
>>
>> First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS
>> and OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby runs
>> on MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that plan
>> probably means not using the GC anymore :p
>>
>> Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well, we
>> are waiting on him but it should happen any day 
>> now;)
>>
>> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the
>> site but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
>> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there:
>> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some
>> time over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to
>> email the mailing list about that.
>>
>> Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our
>> templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to
>> modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or
>> maybe we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version (thoughts?)
>>
>> Extra ideas for volunteers:
>>
>>- Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the release
>>blog post by giving him a summarized changelog
>>- Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate and
>>I quickly looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really
>>straightforward (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better 
>> than
>>dealing with AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a
>>MacRuby/Cocoa package.
>>- Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
>>- Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is
>>fine but original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed in
>>the book)
>>- Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute feature
>>and fix bugs.
>>
>> Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we
>> need to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are
>> interested in helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the
>> next level.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>>
>>
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[MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Geoffrey Roguelon

Hi,

I post a question on Twitter : 
https://twitter.com/#!/MacRuby/status/170616426959351808

So, I've installed MacRuby 0.10 downloaded from the MacRuby website. And 
before, I've proceeded to the update of Xcode to 4.3.

Whenever, I want to create a new Xcode project, I don't  see MacRuby project, 
like on image from twitter message 
(https://twitter.com/#!/GRoguelon/status/170451071108521984/photo/1/large).

So, I've searched and the template files had moved to 
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Library/Xcode/Templates

I've copied the original files which are located to /Developer/ to 
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Library/Xcode/Templates respecting 
the tree and Xcode 4.3 purpose me again the MacRuby project.

Anyway, when you do the update of Xcode, at the first use, Xcode ask to remove 
the old version and there are only the MacRuby files in /Developer.

At my first attempt, when I've opened the storyboard, Xcode've crashed so I 
don't know if it's because of MacRuby but I can't succeed to reproduce the 
crash.

Thank you for MacRuby...

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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Geoffrey Roguelon

Hi,

Are installer code located in public place (GitHub) ?

Best regards.

-
Geoffrey Roguelon

Le 18 févr. 2012 à 10:26, Matt Aimonetti a écrit :

> Thanks James, the templates didn't change in 4.3, but the location where they 
> live did.
> Are you volunteering to update our installer to cover 4.3? ;)
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> - Matt
> 
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 1:12 AM, James Chen  wrote:
> Matt,
> 
> Great and excited to hear all these!
> 
> Regarding Xcode template support, dropping update < Xcode 4.3 would not be a 
> big issue. For 4.2 or lower the current template can be used.
> 
> Can't wait to see 0.11 and other updates!
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
> James
> 
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Matt Aimonetti  
> wrote:
> Hey guys,
> 
> A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with MacRuby 
> releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC is the 
> future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.
> 
> First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS and 
> OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby runs on 
> MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that plan 
> probably means not using the GC anymore :p
> 
> Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well, we are 
> waiting on him but it should happen any day now ;)
> 
> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the site 
> but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there: 
> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some time 
> over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to email 
> the mailing list about that.
> 
> Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our 
> templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to 
> modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or maybe 
> we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version (thoughts?)
> 
> Extra ideas for volunteers:
> Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the release blog post 
> by giving him a summarized changelog
> Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate and I quickly 
> looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really straightforward 
> (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better than dealing with 
> AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a MacRuby/Cocoa package.
> Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
> Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is fine but 
> original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed in the book)
> Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute feature and fix 
> bugs.
> Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we need 
> to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are interested in 
> helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the next level.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Matt
> 
> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti

Salut Geoffrey, you can find the templates and installers in our main github 
repo: https://github.com/MacRuby/MacRuby/tree/master/misc
(installers are in the release folder)

Let's start a new thread and thanks for volunteering to look at that :)

-m
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:37, Geoffrey Roguelon  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Are installer code located in public place (GitHub) ?
> 
> Best regards.
> 
> -
> Geoffrey Roguelon
> 
> Le 18 févr. 2012 à 10:26, Matt Aimonetti a écrit :
> 
>> Thanks James, the templates didn't change in 4.3, but the location where 
>> they live did.
>> Are you volunteering to update our installer to cover 4.3? ;)
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> - Matt
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 1:12 AM, James Chen  wrote:
>> Matt,
>> 
>> Great and excited to hear all these!
>> 
>> Regarding Xcode template support, dropping update < Xcode 4.3 would not be a 
>> big issue. For 4.2 or lower the current template can be used.
>> 
>> Can't wait to see 0.11 and other updates!
>> 
>> Thanks a lot!
>> 
>> James
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Matt Aimonetti  
>> wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with MacRuby 
>> releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC is the 
>> future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.
>> 
>> First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS and 
>> OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby runs on 
>> MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that plan 
>> probably means not using the GC anymore :p
>> 
>> Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well, we are 
>> waiting on him but it should happen any day now ;)
>> 
>> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the site 
>> but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
>> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there: 
>> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some time 
>> over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to email 
>> the mailing list about that.
>> 
>> Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our 
>> templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to 
>> modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or maybe 
>> we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version (thoughts?)
>> 
>> Extra ideas for volunteers:
>> Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the release blog post 
>> by giving him a summarized changelog
>> Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate and I quickly 
>> looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really straightforward 
>> (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better than dealing with 
>> AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a MacRuby/Cocoa package.
>> Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
>> Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is fine but 
>> original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed in the book)
>> Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute feature and fix 
>> bugs.
>> Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we need 
>> to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are interested in 
>> helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the next level.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> - Matt
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread James Chen

Yes Matt, I'm definitely willing to help. I will have a look later.

James

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:

> Thanks James, the templates didn't change in 4.3, but the location where
> they live did.
> Are you volunteering to update our installer to cover 4.3? ;)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> - Matt
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 1:12 AM, James Chen  wrote:
>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Great and excited to hear all these!
>>
>> Regarding Xcode template support, dropping update < Xcode 4.3 would not
>> be a big issue. For 4.2 or lower the current template can be used.
>>
>> Can't wait to see 0.11 and other updates!
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Matt Aimonetti 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with
>>> MacRuby releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC
>>> is the future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.
>>>
>>> First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS
>>> and OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby runs
>>> on MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that plan
>>> probably means not using the GC anymore :p
>>>
>>> Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well, we
>>> are waiting on him but it should happen any day 
>>> now;)
>>>
>>> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the
>>> site but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
>>> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there:
>>> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some
>>> time over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to
>>> email the mailing list about that.
>>>
>>> Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our
>>> templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to
>>> modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or
>>> maybe we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version (thoughts?)
>>>
>>> Extra ideas for volunteers:
>>>
>>>- Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the release
>>>blog post by giving him a summarized changelog
>>>- Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate and
>>>I quickly looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really
>>>straightforward (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better 
>>> than
>>>dealing with AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a
>>>MacRuby/Cocoa package.
>>>- Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
>>>- Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is
>>>fine but original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed in
>>>the book)
>>>- Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute
>>>feature and fix bugs.
>>>
>>> Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we
>>> need to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are
>>> interested in helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the
>>> next level.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> - Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Sean Mateus

Hallo Geoffrey,
*
*
I believe the since Xcode is a signed application bundle, you can’t change 
its content!
this must be the reason why it crashes! I still have no idea how we can add 
the Macruby templates, 
I hope some has a better idea! I hope there were a possibility just to put 
the templates in ~/Library/Application Support/Xcode/templates/


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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread James Chen

The user's shared folder for that is ~/Library/Application
Support/Developer/Shared/Xcode, but simply copying MacRuby's templates into
that folder doesn't seem to work.

James

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wrote:

> Hallo Geoffrey,
> *
> *
> I believe the since Xcode is a signed application bundle, you can’t change
> its content!
> this must be the reason why it crashes! I still have no idea how we can
> add the Macruby templates,
> I hope some has a better idea! I hope there were a possibility just to put
> the templates in ~/Library/Application Support/Xcode/templates/
>
>
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread James Chen

It seems we can put templates in user's application support location
instead of /Develper:

~/Library/Application Support/Developer/Shared/Xcode

Still need to update template though. Copying current templates to that
location doesn't work.

James

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 7:04 PM, James Chen  wrote:

> Yes Matt, I'm definitely willing to help. I will have a look later.
>
> James
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Matt Aimonetti 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks James, the templates didn't change in 4.3, but the location where
>> they live did.
>> Are you volunteering to update our installer to cover 4.3? ;)
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 1:12 AM, James Chen  wrote:
>>
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>> Great and excited to hear all these!
>>>
>>> Regarding Xcode template support, dropping update < Xcode 4.3 would not
>>> be a big issue. For 4.2 or lower the current template can be used.
>>>
>>> Can't wait to see 0.11 and other updates!
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot!
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Matt Aimonetti >> > wrote:
>>>
 Hey guys,

 A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with
 MacRuby releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC
 is the future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.

 First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for
 iOS and OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby
 runs on MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that
 plan probably means not using the GC anymore :p

 Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well,
 we are waiting on him but it should happen any day 
 now;)

 Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the
 site but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
 Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there:
 https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some
 time over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to
 email the mailing list about that.

 Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our
 templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to
 modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or
 maybe we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version 
 (thoughts?)

 Extra ideas for volunteers:

- Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the
release blog post by giving him a summarized changelog
- Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate
and I quickly looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really
straightforward (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better 
 than
dealing with AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a
MacRuby/Cocoa package.
- Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
- Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is
fine but original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed 
 in
the book)
- Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute
feature and fix bugs.

 Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we
 need to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are
 interested in helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the
 next level.

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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Watson

Hi,

If you want to move MacRuby's Templetes into User folder,

1. create "~/Library/Developer/Xcode/Templates/Application"
2. copy "misc/xcode4-templates/File Templates" and
"misc/xcode4-templates/Project Templates" into above folder.

However, I don't know whether move the rb_nibtool as same way of Templates.


Thanks,

2012/2/18 James Chen :
> The user's shared folder for that is ~/Library/Application
> Support/Developer/Shared/Xcode, but simply copying MacRuby's templates into
> that folder doesn't seem to work.
>
> James
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Sean Mateus 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hallo Geoffrey,
>>
>> I believe the since Xcode is a signed application bundle, you can’t change
>> its content!
>> this must be the reason why it crashes! I still have no idea how we can
>> add the Macruby templates,
>> I hope some has a better idea! I hope there were a possibility just to put
>> the templates in ~/Library/Application Support/Xcode/templates/
>>
>>
>> Sean Mateus
>>
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread B. Ohr

> 
> ……. Or maybe we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version 
> (thoughts?)

Oh, please do not! I am still running snow leopard and Xcode 4.2!
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread James Chen

Watson,

Thanks for the hint!

By doing this, at lease creating 'MacRuby Application' has no problem.
Haven't checked other template yet.

Cheers,
James

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Watson  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If you want to move MacRuby's Templetes into User folder,
>
> 1. create "~/Library/Developer/Xcode/Templates/Application"
> 2. copy "misc/xcode4-templates/File Templates" and
> "misc/xcode4-templates/Project Templates" into above folder.
>
> However, I don't know whether move the rb_nibtool as same way of Templates.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> 2012/2/18 James Chen :
> > The user's shared folder for that is ~/Library/Application
> > Support/Developer/Shared/Xcode, but simply copying MacRuby's templates
> into
> > that folder doesn't seem to work.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Sean Mateus <
> [email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hallo Geoffrey,
> >>
> >> I believe the since Xcode is a signed application bundle, you can’t
> change
> >> its content!
> >> this must be the reason why it crashes! I still have no idea how we can
> >> add the Macruby templates,
> >> I hope some has a better idea! I hope there were a possibility just to
> put
> >> the templates in ~/Library/Application Support/Xcode/templates/
> >>
> >>
> >> Sean Mateus
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Sean Mateus

Hi Watson,

can you give some/small input on how rb_nibtool is actived when a file 
changes?
I tried to figure it out, but I didn’t succeed!

why should we move the rb_nibtool?

thx 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman

Rubyists!

I'd love to help out with a new macruby website. I'm forking/pulling the linked 
github. 
Regarding content, perhaps there is a place for the macruby Recipes i've been 
kicking out on a new site? 

I'm also going to take a shot at the installer here in a minute, and the 
sublime text2 bundle (but thats a stretch goal for me, I don't know python yet)

-Pkj


On Feb 18, 2012, at 3:54 AM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:

> Hey guys,
> 
> A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with MacRuby 
> releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC is the 
> future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.
> 
> First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS and 
> OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby runs on 
> MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that plan 
> probably means not using the GC anymore :p
> 
> Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well, we are 
> waiting on him but it should happen any day now ;)
> 
> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the site 
> but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there: 
> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some time 
> over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to email 
> the mailing list about that.
> 
> Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our 
> templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to 
> modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or maybe 
> we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version (thoughts?)
> 
> Extra ideas for volunteers:
> Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the release blog post 
> by giving him a summarized changelog
> Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate and I quickly 
> looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really straightforward 
> (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better than dealing with 
> AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a MacRuby/Cocoa package.
> Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
> Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is fine but 
> original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed in the book)
> Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute feature and fix 
> bugs.
> Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we need 
> to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are interested in 
> helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the next level.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Matt
> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Watson

Hi,

Unfortunately, I know only a few things about rb_nibtool.
- rb_nibtool provides the information for Interface Builder to connect
Outlets/Actions.
- When open the xib file with IB, rb_nibtool analyzes the Ruby scripts
and generates Outlets/Actions information.

I don't know how to be called rb_nibtool from Interface Builder.


> why should we move the rb_nibtool?

With Xcode 4.2, rb_nibtool is installed in /Developer/usr/bin.
why should we move the Templetes?
I think it's the same answer about rb_nibtool.


Thanks,

2012/2/18 Sean Mateus :
> Hi Watson,
>
> can you give some/small input on how rb_nibtool is actived when a file
> changes?
> I tried to figure it out, but I didn’t succeed!
>
> why should we move the rb_nibtool?
>
> thx
> Sean Mateus
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Geoffrey Roguelon

I'm not sure because whereas one crash to first launch of storyboard, after 
none crash when I navigate in different part of Xcode.

I could create a new MacRuby project, add Ruby class and modify the view 
without problem…

Le 18 févr. 2012 à 11:34, Sean Mateus a écrit :

> I believe the since Xcode is a signed application bundle

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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Geoffrey Roguelon

Hi,

I look at this.

Thanks.

-
Geoffrey Roguelon

Le 18 févr. 2012 à 10:50, Matt Aimonetti a écrit :

> Salut Geoffrey, you can find the templates and installers in our main github 
> repo: https://github.com/MacRuby/MacRuby/tree/master/misc
> (installers are in the release folder)

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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman

I've been working with this for the past couple of hours, and am having issues 
with the version of webby and actual yml errors from the checkout.

Is it possible to get a gemfile or information on what version of webby is 
being used for development?

(this is predicated on the assumption that I determined correctly that it is a 
webby based site ?

-pkj

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> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the site 
> but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there: 
> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some time 
> over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to email 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti

Yes I'll do that later today, I think 1.8.7 is required and webby version 
before the latest. Did you check the guide we have on the site to contribute to 
the website, I think there is some info there (outdated but still)

-m
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:01, Kevin Poorman  wrote:

> I've been working with this for the past couple of hours, and am having 
> issues with the version of webby and actual yml errors from the checkout.
> 
> Is it possible to get a gemfile or information on what version of webby is 
> being used for development?
> 
> (this is predicated on the assumption that I determined correctly that it is 
> a webby based site ?
> 
> -pkj
> 
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 3:54 AM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
> 
>> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the site 
>> but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
>> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there: 
>> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some time 
>> over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to email 
>> the mailing list about that.
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti

Awesome. Yes it would be great to see the recipes there 

-m
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 18, 2012, at 5:37, Kevin Poorman  wrote:

> Rubyists!
> 
> I'd love to help out with a new macruby website. I'm forking/pulling the 
> linked github. 
> Regarding content, perhaps there is a place for the macruby Recipes i've been 
> kicking out on a new site? 
> 
> I'm also going to take a shot at the installer here in a minute, and the 
> sublime text2 bundle (but thats a stretch goal for me, I don't know python 
> yet)
> 
> -Pkj
> 
> 
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 3:54 AM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with MacRuby 
>> releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC is the 
>> future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.
>> 
>> First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS and 
>> OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby runs on 
>> MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that plan 
>> probably means not using the GC anymore :p
>> 
>> Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well, we are 
>> waiting on him but it should happen any day now ;)
>> 
>> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the site 
>> but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
>> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there: 
>> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some time 
>> over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to email 
>> the mailing list about that.
>> 
>> Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our 
>> templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to 
>> modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or maybe 
>> we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version (thoughts?)
>> 
>> Extra ideas for volunteers:
>> Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the release blog post 
>> by giving him a summarized changelog
>> Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate and I quickly 
>> looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really straightforward 
>> (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better than dealing with 
>> AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a MacRuby/Cocoa package.
>> Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
>> Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is fine but 
>> original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed in the book)
>> Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute feature and fix 
>> bugs.
>> Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we need 
>> to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are interested in 
>> helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the next level.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> - Matt
>> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman

I wasn't even aware there was a contribute to the website section. I'll check 
it out. 

I was trying webby (head) and 1.9.3

Can you offer any more guidance as to what you'd like to see added / modified / 
etc. to the website ?



On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:

> Yes I'll do that later today, I think 1.8.7 is required and webby version 
> before the latest. Did you check the guide we have on the site to contribute 
> to the website, I think there is some info there (outdated but still)
> 
> -m
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:01, Kevin Poorman  wrote:
> 
>> I've been working with this for the past couple of hours, and am having 
>> issues with the version of webby and actual yml errors from the checkout.
>> 
>> Is it possible to get a gemfile or information on what version of webby is 
>> being used for development?
>> 
>> (this is predicated on the assumption that I determined correctly that it is 
>> a webby based site ?
>> 
>> -pkj
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 3:54 AM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
>> 
>>> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the site 
>>> but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
>>> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there: 
>>> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some time 
>>> over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to email 
>>> the mailing list about that.
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] 'rake spec:ci' causing crash (built from HEAD)

2012-02-18 Thread Mark Rada

Hi Andy,

I believe Watson is already tracking output from running spec:ci on MacRuby 
every night.

https://github.com/Watson1978/macruby-test

Is that what you were looking for?



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> Hi,
> 
> I've only recently started compiling the HEAD version, mainly to see if I can 
> get more informative crashes when I e.g. misuse functions with variadic 
> arguments, such as NSLog. README.rdoc suggested I could run rake spec:ci - I 
> guess it's from Rubinius? - to get some sort of progress on completeness of 
> compatibility, so I did so, then got some crashes. 
> 
> After a few compile runs over a few days, I've decided my MacBook isn't up to 
> compiling too often. I noticed the nightly builds are uploaded, and was 
> wondering if the builds get the 'rake spec:ci' run as well, and if so, 
> whether that output could also be added to the nightly script's jobs. I'd be 
> glad to help out in any way if there needs to be changes made.
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti

I'm going to add a Gemfile and .rvmrc file but the tutorial is there:
http://www.macruby.org/documentation/website-contributions.html
Once you load the site with the new design, you will see some placeholders
and things that could be improved.
I think what would be nice would be to show why MacRuby is valuable and
help devs getting started.
Probably a list of recipes to do simple things with Cocoa would be great,
as Cocoa is a beast for new comers.

- Matt

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Kevin Poorman
wrote:

> I wasn't even aware there was a contribute to the website section. I'll
> check it out.
>
> I was trying webby (head) and 1.9.3
>
> Can you offer any more guidance as to what you'd like to see added /
> modified / etc. to the website ?
>
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
>
> Yes I'll do that later today, I think 1.8.7 is required and webby version
> before the latest. Did you check the guide we have on the site to
> contribute to the website, I think there is some info there (outdated but
> still)
>
> -m
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:01, Kevin Poorman 
> wrote:
>
> I've been working with this for the past couple of hours, and am having
> issues with the version of webby and actual yml errors from the checkout.
>
> Is it possible to get a gemfile or information on what version of webby is
> being used for development?
>
> (this is predicated on the assumption that I determined correctly that it
> is a webby based site ?
>
> -pkj
>
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 3:54 AM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
>
> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the
> site but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there:
> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some
> time over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to
> email the mailing list about that.
>
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman

Any volunteers with the requirements / setup to build macruby from source to 
test my patches to the installer rake task ?

Unfortunately llvm looks like it's going to be compiling for quite a while here 
on this box.

-pkj



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> Hey guys,
> 
> A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with MacRuby 
> releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC is the 
> future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.
> 
> First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS and 
> OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby runs on 
> MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that plan 
> probably means not using the GC anymore :p
> 
> Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well, we are 
> waiting on him but it should happen any day now ;)
> 
> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the site 
> but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there: 
> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some time 
> over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to email 
> the mailing list about that.
> 
> Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our 
> templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to 
> modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or maybe 
> we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version (thoughts?)
> 
> Extra ideas for volunteers:
> Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the release blog post 
> by giving him a summarized changelog
> Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate and I quickly 
> looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really straightforward 
> (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better than dealing with 
> AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a MacRuby/Cocoa package.
> Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
> Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is fine but 
> original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed in the book)
> Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute feature and fix 
> bugs.
> Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we need 
> to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are interested in 
> helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the next level.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Matt
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[MacRuby-devel] contributing to the website

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti

Here is the tutorial we have on the website:
http://www.macruby.org/documentation/website-contributions.html
I just added a .rvmrc file and a Gemfile (bundler) so anyone should be able
to run webby to build the site locally
https://github.com/MacRuby/MacRubyWebsite/commit/adbc7a2713e0ffcb2656da8370665800853b01ac

My fork: https://github.com/mattetti/MacRubyWebsite  should have the new
design stuff from Allan (not fully finished) and the content from master.

Thanks,

- Matt
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman

the repo here: https://github.com/noeticpenguin/MacRuby/tree/xcode4.3-updates 
(branch xcode4.3-updates)

Contains a patch changing the installation directory for the templates. 

I'm still investigating how to go about linking rb_nibtool. From what I can 
tell (limited) Xcode basically just shells out an executes rb_nibtool so it 
seems like just getting rb_nibtool into the system path would work …. testing 
now. 

Would love testers and feedback.

On Feb 18, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Geoffrey Roguelon wrote:

> I'm not sure because whereas one crash to first launch of storyboard, after 
> none crash when I navigate in different part of Xcode.
> 
> I could create a new MacRuby project, add Ruby class and modify the view 
> without problem…
> 
> Le 18 févr. 2012 à 11:34, Sean Mateus a écrit :
> 
>> I believe the since Xcode is a signed application bundle
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman

I have confirmed that placing the templates as Watson suggested does work with 
4.3 

Additionally, placing rb_nibtool in the system path (in my case I linked it 
into /usr/local/bin) works just fine! 

I have 4.3, with macruby nightly, with templates and rb_nibtool 

Can anyone more familiar with the new guidelines shed light on whether or not a 
.pkg file can link to /usr/local/bin without raising the ire of the sandboxing 
rules and gatekeeper?

I'm afraid I don't have access to the Apple forums etc. (haven't had $100 
burning a whole in my pocket yet) but if someone can shed light on where a 
"proper" place for rb_nibtool to live is, I'll update my fork of the main 
macruby package installer, and submit a pull request as soon as possible. 

I'd love to have a nightly that "just worked" with 4.3 by monday. Lets do this 
thing!

-pkj

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> I'm not sure because whereas one crash to first launch of storyboard, after 
> none crash when I navigate in different part of Xcode.
> 
> I could create a new MacRuby project, add Ruby class and modify the view 
> without problem…
> 
> Le 18 févr. 2012 à 11:34, Sean Mateus a écrit :
> 
>> I believe the since Xcode is a signed application bundle
> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Sean Mateus

Hi Kevin,

I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place the rb_nibtool into 
/usr/local/bin,

unfortunately I doesn’t work for me! have you any hint?

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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman

Sean,

I didn't copy rb_nibtool, sorry for the confusion. I linked 
/Library/Frameworks/MacRuby.framework/Versions/0.12/usr/bin/rb_nibtool to 
/usr/local/bin/rb_nibtool 

try linking ?

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> Hi Kevin,
> 
> I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place the rb_nibtool into 
> /usr/local/bin,
> 
> unfortunately I doesn’t work for me! have you any hint?
> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman

Sean,
 et. all. 

I am an idiot of the most profound order. 

If one installs 4.3, and does NOT remove 4.2.1…

and then one uses alfred to launch Xcode … one ends up launching 4.2.1 where of 
course rb_nibtool works. 

I'm still searching for a way to get rb_nibtool working in 4.3

sorry for the false alarm / joy.

-pkj

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> 
> I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place the rb_nibtool into 
> /usr/local/bin,
> 
> unfortunately I doesn’t work for me! have you any hint?
> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Marc Abramowitz

With ARC would Ruby code have to call retain and release or would the MacRuby 
runtime take care of that?

-Marc
http://marc-abramowitz.com
Sent from my iPhone 4


On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Matt Aimonetti  wrote:

> Hey guys,
> 
> A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with MacRuby 
> releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC is the 
> future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.
> 
> First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS and 
> OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby runs on 
> MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that plan 
> probably means not using the GC anymore :p
> 
> Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well, we are 
> waiting on him but it should happen any day now ;)
> 
> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the site 
> but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there: 
> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some time 
> over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to email 
> the mailing list about that.
> 
> Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our 
> templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to 
> modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or maybe 
> we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version (thoughts?)
> 
> Extra ideas for volunteers:
> Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the release blog post 
> by giving him a summarized changelog
> Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate and I quickly 
> looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really straightforward 
> (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better than dealing with 
> AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a MacRuby/Cocoa package.
> Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
> Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is fine but 
> original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed in the book)
> Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute feature and fix 
> bugs.
> Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we need 
> to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are interested in 
> helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the next level.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Matt
> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti

One thing at a time, the only thing I said was that the GC is going away on OS 
X and that we need to find a way to not rely on libauto if we want MacRuby to 
run on future OS X releases. But there is no need to rush since the deprecation 
wouldn't happen until the release after MountainLion at the earliest. 
If we would have manually manage memory, that would be for me, a bit failure.

-m
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 18, 2012, at 16:22, Marc Abramowitz  wrote:

> With ARC would Ruby code have to call retain and release or would the MacRuby 
> runtime take care of that?
> 
> -Marc
> http://marc-abramowitz.com
> Sent from my iPhone 4
> 
> 
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Matt Aimonetti  wrote:
> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with MacRuby 
>> releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC is the 
>> future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.
>> 
>> First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS and 
>> OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby runs on 
>> MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that plan 
>> probably means not using the GC anymore :p
>> 
>> Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well, we are 
>> waiting on him but it should happen any day now ;)
>> 
>> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the site 
>> but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
>> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there: 
>> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some time 
>> over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to email 
>> the mailing list about that.
>> 
>> Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our 
>> templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to 
>> modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or maybe 
>> we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version (thoughts?)
>> 
>> Extra ideas for volunteers:
>> Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the release blog post 
>> by giving him a summarized changelog
>> Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate and I quickly 
>> looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really straightforward 
>> (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better than dealing with 
>> AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a MacRuby/Cocoa package.
>> Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
>> Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is fine but 
>> original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed in the book)
>> Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute feature and fix 
>> bugs.
>> Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we need 
>> to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are interested in 
>> helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the next level.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> - Matt
>> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Marc Abramowitz

Agreed. There's time before this becomes an issue. And also agreed that having 
to write Ruby code (or Python code with PyObjC) with memory management would 
suck. I would hope that either projects like MacRuby and PyObjC would adapt and 
take on memory management or Apple would reconsider this decision. That would 
be better it seems since it would save open source developers work, but I don't 
know the reasoning behind the decision as this was news to me. 

-Marc
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On Feb 18, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Matt Aimonetti  wrote:

> One thing at a time, the only thing I said was that the GC is going away on 
> OS X and that we need to find a way to not rely on libauto if we want MacRuby 
> to run on future OS X releases. But there is no need to rush since the 
> deprecation wouldn't happen until the release after MountainLion at the 
> earliest. 
> If we would have manually manage memory, that would be for me, a bit failure.
> 
> -m
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 16:22, Marc Abramowitz  wrote:
> 
>> With ARC would Ruby code have to call retain and release or would the 
>> MacRuby runtime take care of that?
>> 
>> -Marc
>> http://marc-abramowitz.com
>> Sent from my iPhone 4
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Matt Aimonetti  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with MacRuby 
>>> releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC is the 
>>> future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.
>>> 
>>> First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS 
>>> and OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby runs 
>>> on MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that plan 
>>> probably means not using the GC anymore :p
>>> 
>>> Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well, we 
>>> are waiting on him but it should happen any day now ;)
>>> 
>>> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the site 
>>> but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
>>> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there: 
>>> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some time 
>>> over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to email 
>>> the mailing list about that.
>>> 
>>> Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our 
>>> templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to 
>>> modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or 
>>> maybe we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version (thoughts?)
>>> 
>>> Extra ideas for volunteers:
>>> Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the release blog 
>>> post by giving him a summarized changelog
>>> Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate and I 
>>> quickly looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really 
>>> straightforward (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better than 
>>> dealing with AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a 
>>> MacRuby/Cocoa package.
>>> Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
>>> Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is fine but 
>>> original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed in the book)
>>> Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute feature and fix 
>>> bugs.
>>> Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we 
>>> need to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are 
>>> interested in helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the 
>>> next level.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> - Matt
>>> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman

After more testing,  I cannot find any evidence that xcode4.3 is even 
attempting to find rb_nibtool 

could this be a policy shift on the Xcode side?


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> Hi Kevin,
> 
> I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place the rb_nibtool into 
> /usr/local/bin,
> 
> unfortunately I doesn’t work for me! have you any hint?
> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

On Feb 18, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:

> One thing at a time, the only thing I said was that the GC is going away on 
> OS X and that we need to find a way to not rely on libauto if we want MacRuby 
> to run on future OS X releases. But there is no need to rush since the 
> deprecation wouldn't happen until the release after MountainLion at the 
> earliest. 

Speaking just as an interested bystander here, I think there are other 
compelling reasons to pursue ARC, of course.  As you noted earlier, it's the 
preferred way to manage memory in both OS X and iOS and obviously somewhat more 
broadly applicable to the needs of the future.  I think I'm only stating the 
obvious when I say that MacRuby has always been somewhat hindered by the 
implication (implicit in both its name and its use of OSX-only GC features) 
that it would only ever be a solution for writing apps for OS X.   Yes, that 
may have also been the original goal, but that doesn't mean that the community 
needs to continue to follow such a conservative roadmap.  I've said it before 
and I'll say it again:  MacRuby is an OSS project and if its developers want to 
take it somewhere it's never been or even rename it along the way (dropping 
that somewhat limiting "Mac" prefix) then it should fully embrace such radical 
notions since OSS projects are like sharks* - they either keep swimming or they 
die.   However, renaming stuff is also really hard (a lot harder than writing 
code), so starting with a GC -> ARC transition seems like the logical place to 
start!

> If we would have manually manage memory, that would be for me, a bit failure.

More than a bit.  It would't be Ruby anymore. :-)

- Jordan

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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Marc Abramowitz

Perhaps try using DTrace to see if it's trying to open the file? (if you 
haven't already tried that)

-Marc
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On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Kevin Poorman  wrote:

> After more testing,  I cannot find any evidence that xcode4.3 is even 
> attempting to find rb_nibtool 
> 
> could this be a policy shift on the Xcode side?
> 
> 
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Sean Mateus wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kevin,
>> 
>> I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place the rb_nibtool into 
>> /usr/local/bin,
>> 
>> unfortunately I doesn’t work for me! have you any hint?
>> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti

Last time that happened I had to file a bug with Apple and thy fixed it. This 
time it might be more tricky as we need to know where Xcode expects us to put 
this file. Maybe someone at Apple could help?

Thanks

-Matt
Sent from my iPhone

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> Perhaps try using DTrace to see if it's trying to open the file? (if you 
> haven't already tried that)
> 
> -Marc
> http://marc-abramowitz.com
> Sent from my iPhone 4
> 
> 
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Kevin Poorman  
> wrote:
> 
>> After more testing,  I cannot find any evidence that xcode4.3 is even 
>> attempting to find rb_nibtool 
>> 
>> could this be a policy shift on the Xcode side?
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Sean Mateus wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kevin,
>>> 
>>> I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place the rb_nibtool into 
>>> /usr/local/bin,
>>> 
>>> unfortunately I doesn’t work for me! have you any hint?
>>> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman

any reason not to have Xcode invoke it directly from the framework 
installation? 

ie /Library/frameworks/MacRuby .../

-pkj

On Feb 18, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:

> Last time that happened I had to file a bug with Apple and thy fixed it. This 
> time it might be more tricky as we need to know where Xcode expects us to put 
> this file. Maybe someone at Apple could help?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -Matt
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 18:35, Marc Abramowitz  wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps try using DTrace to see if it's trying to open the file? (if you 
>> haven't already tried that)
>> 
>> -Marc
>> http://marc-abramowitz.com
>> Sent from my iPhone 4
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Kevin Poorman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> After more testing,  I cannot find any evidence that xcode4.3 is even 
>>> attempting to find rb_nibtool 
>>> 
>>> could this be a policy shift on the Xcode side?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Sean Mateus wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Kevin,
 
 I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place the rb_nibtool into 
 /usr/local/bin,
 
 unfortunately I doesn’t work for me! have you any hint?
 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman

Interesting news,

Using instruments, I am able to monitor file activity and see rb_nibtool being 
stat'd several times by Xcode 4.2.1

I can also see Xcode 4.3 calling for rb_nibtool. The same exception stat lines 
appear in roughly the same time frames on each startup of Xcode with a mac ruby 
project

Unfortunately, Xcode 4.3 is looking for rb_nibtool here: 
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Tools/rb_nibtool
This doesn't actually exist.  because Xcode 4.3 is signed … I'm not sure how we 
solve this one. I wonder if symbolic links will alter the code sig ?

-pkj

On Feb 18, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:

> Last time that happened I had to file a bug with Apple and thy fixed it. This 
> time it might be more tricky as we need to know where Xcode expects us to put 
> this file. Maybe someone at Apple could help?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -Matt
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 18:35, Marc Abramowitz  wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps try using DTrace to see if it's trying to open the file? (if you 
>> haven't already tried that)
>> 
>> -Marc
>> http://marc-abramowitz.com
>> Sent from my iPhone 4
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Kevin Poorman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> After more testing,  I cannot find any evidence that xcode4.3 is even 
>>> attempting to find rb_nibtool 
>>> 
>>> could this be a policy shift on the Xcode side?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Sean Mateus wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Kevin,
 
 I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place the rb_nibtool into 
 /usr/local/bin,
 
 unfortunately I doesn’t work for me! have you any hint?
 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti

Great job Kevin, I would assume that a symlink would alter the code sig,
but I might be wrong.
Could you open a bug report https://bugreport.apple.com explaining what you
found out. Please also mention radar: 9828745 which refers to the problem
we had last time.

Also, don't forget to post the radar number so we can nag our Apple friends
to make sure someone is looking at it ;)

Thanks,

- Matt


2012/2/18 Kevin Poorman 

> Interesting news,
>
> Using instruments, I am able to monitor file activity and see rb_nibtool
> being stat'd several times by Xcode 4.2.1
>
> I can also see Xcode 4.3 calling for rb_nibtool. The same exception stat
> lines appear in roughly the same time frames on each startup of Xcode with
> a mac ruby project
>
> Unfortunately, Xcode 4.3 is looking for rb_nibtool here:
> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Tools/rb_nibtool
> This doesn't actually exist.  because Xcode 4.3 is signed … I'm not sure
> how we solve this one. I wonder if symbolic links will alter the code sig ?
>
> -pkj
>
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
>
> > Last time that happened I had to file a bug with Apple and thy fixed it.
> This time it might be more tricky as we need to know where Xcode expects us
> to put this file. Maybe someone at Apple could help?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -Matt
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 18, 2012, at 18:35, Marc Abramowitz  wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps try using DTrace to see if it's trying to open the file? (if
> you haven't already tried that)
> >>
> >> -Marc
> >> http://marc-abramowitz.com
> >> Sent from my iPhone 4
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Kevin Poorman 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> After more testing,  I cannot find any evidence that xcode4.3 is even
> attempting to find rb_nibtool
> >>>
> >>> could this be a policy shift on the Xcode side?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Sean Mateus wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi Kevin,
> 
>  I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place the rb_nibtool into
> /usr/local/bin,
> 
>  unfortunately I doesn’t work for me! have you any hint?
> 
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files -- Workaround found!!!

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Poorman

tl;dr: put a symlink in /Application/xcode/contents/developer/tools that points 
to your /Library/Frameworks/macruby.../rb_nibtool; restart Xcode; get back to 
writing code.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry here.  -- More importantly which is the 
bigger bug. 

as it turns out adding a symbolic link to a signed code bundle *does not seem 
to change the code sig* and the app (xCode) still runs. (on lion)

Specifically, (forgive the zsh customizations)
kpoorman@Hollis /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Tools <-- current 
working dir.
  % sudo ln -s 
/Library/Frameworks/MacRuby.framework/Versions/0.12/usr/bin/rb_nibtool . 

Will let Xcode find rb_nibtool, and execute it properly. I can now, after 
creating that symlink properly see my outlets etc. Additionally, instruments 
shows the macruby executable executing the file at this path. 

I'm assuming that a symbolic link injected into a signed app is .. bad form… 
but this is at least a work around ?

So, to be clear, I'm not sure wether to file a but with apple about how i can 
get signed apps to run unsigned code? OR
how else to get Xcode to trigger unsigned code. 

Or maybe both.

Until we figure that one out, we can use Xcode 4.3

(and yes, I totally checked the versions this time. This isn't a false alarm)

-Kevin



On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:28 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:

> Great job Kevin, I would assume that a symlink would alter the code sig, but 
> I might be wrong.
> Could you open a bug report https://bugreport.apple.com explaining what you 
> found out. Please also mention radar: 9828745 which refers to the problem we 
> had last time.
> 
> Also, don't forget to post the radar number so we can nag our Apple friends 
> to make sure someone is looking at it ;)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Matt
> 
> 
> 2012/2/18 Kevin Poorman 
> Interesting news,
> 
> Using instruments, I am able to monitor file activity and see rb_nibtool 
> being stat'd several times by Xcode 4.2.1
> 
> I can also see Xcode 4.3 calling for rb_nibtool. The same exception stat 
> lines appear in roughly the same time frames on each startup of Xcode with a 
> mac ruby project
> 
> Unfortunately, Xcode 4.3 is looking for rb_nibtool here: 
> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Tools/rb_nibtool
> This doesn't actually exist.  because Xcode 4.3 is signed … I'm not sure how 
> we solve this one. I wonder if symbolic links will alter the code sig ?
> 
> -pkj
> 
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
> 
> > Last time that happened I had to file a bug with Apple and thy fixed it. 
> > This time it might be more tricky as we need to know where Xcode expects us 
> > to put this file. Maybe someone at Apple could help?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -Matt
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 18, 2012, at 18:35, Marc Abramowitz  wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps try using DTrace to see if it's trying to open the file? (if you 
> >> haven't already tried that)
> >>
> >> -Marc
> >> http://marc-abramowitz.com
> >> Sent from my iPhone 4
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Kevin Poorman  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> After more testing,  I cannot find any evidence that xcode4.3 is even 
> >>> attempting to find rb_nibtool
> >>>
> >>> could this be a policy shift on the Xcode side?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Sean Mateus wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi Kevin,
> 
>  I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place the rb_nibtool into 
>  /usr/local/bin,
> 
>  unfortunately I doesn’t work for me! have you any hint?
> 
>  Sean
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] Xcode 4.3 move template files -- Workaround found!!!

2012-02-18 Thread Matt Aimonetti

Nice... Can someone working on the installers drop a symlink for now?

-m
Sent from my iPad

On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:40 PM, Kevin Poorman 
wrote:

tl;dr: put a symlink in /Application/xcode/contents/developer/tools that
points to your /Library/Frameworks/macruby.../rb_nibtool; restart Xcode;
get back to writing code.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry here.  -- More importantly which is
the bigger bug.

as it turns out adding a symbolic link to a signed code bundle *does not
seem to change the code sig* and the app (xCode) still runs. (on lion)

Specifically, (forgive the zsh customizations)
kpoorman@Hollis /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Tools *<--
current working dir.*
  % sudo ln -s
/Library/Frameworks/MacRuby.framework/Versions/0.12/usr/bin/rb_nibtool .

Will let Xcode find rb_nibtool, and execute it properly. I can now, after
creating that symlink properly see my outlets etc. Additionally,
instruments shows the macruby executable executing the file at this path.

I'm assuming that a symbolic link injected into a signed app is .. bad
form… but this is at least a work around ?

So, to be clear, I'm not sure wether to file a but with apple about how i
can get signed apps to run unsigned code? OR
how else to get Xcode to trigger unsigned code.

Or maybe both.

Until we figure that one out, we can use Xcode 4.3

(and yes, I totally checked the versions this time. This isn't a false
alarm)

-Kevin

On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:28 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:

Great job Kevin, I would assume that a symlink would alter the code sig,
but I might be wrong.
Could you open a bug report https://bugreport.apple.com explaining what you
found out. Please also mention radar: 9828745 which refers to the problem
we had last time.

Also, don't forget to post the radar number so we can nag our Apple friends
to make sure someone is looking at it ;)

Thanks,

- Matt

2012/2/18 Kevin Poorman 

> Interesting news,
>
> Using instruments, I am able to monitor file activity and see rb_nibtool
> being stat'd several times by Xcode 4.2.1
>
> I can also see Xcode 4.3 calling for rb_nibtool. The same exception stat
> lines appear in roughly the same time frames on each startup of Xcode with
> a mac ruby project
>
> Unfortunately, Xcode 4.3 is looking for rb_nibtool here:
> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Tools/rb_nibtool
> This doesn't actually exist.  because Xcode 4.3 is signed … I'm not sure
> how we solve this one. I wonder if symbolic links will alter the code sig ?
>
> -pkj
>
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
>
> > Last time that happened I had to file a bug with Apple and thy fixed it.
> This time it might be more tricky as we need to know where Xcode expects us
> to put this file. Maybe someone at Apple could help?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -Matt
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 18, 2012, at 18:35, Marc Abramowitz  wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps try using DTrace to see if it's trying to open the file? (if
> you haven't already tried that)
> >>
> >> -Marc
> >> http://marc-abramowitz.com
> >> Sent from my iPhone 4
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Kevin Poorman 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> After more testing,  I cannot find any evidence that xcode4.3 is even
> attempting to find rb_nibtool
> >>>
> >>> could this be a policy shift on the Xcode side?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Sean Mateus wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi Kevin,
> 
>  I believe that it’ll not be a problem to place the rb_nibtool into
> /usr/local/bin,
> 
>  unfortunately I doesn’t work for me! have you any hint?
> 
>  Sean
>  ___
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Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby & MountainLion + what you can do to help the project

2012-02-18 Thread Chong Francis

Nope, ARC work on compiler level. MacRuby runtime have nothing to do with it. 

Currently the GC do these retain and release for us, if they are to be removed 
in future release of OS X, we have to build our own GC for MacRuby. It would be 
great because we are no longer limit by Apple to bring MacRuby to iOS. 

The only problem is I have no idea how to build such a GC and don't sure what i 
can help...

Marc Abramowitz 於 2012年2月19日 上午8:22 寫道：

> With ARC would Ruby code have to call retain and release or would the MacRuby 
> runtime take care of that?
> 
> -Marc
> http://marc-abramowitz.com
> Sent from my iPhone 4
> 
> 
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Matt Aimonetti  wrote:
> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> A few of you asked me privately and publicly what was going on with MacRuby 
>> releases and what was the plan now that Apple clearly said that ARC is the 
>> future and that the GC will be deprecated in MountainLion.
>> 
>> First off, I want to emphasis that even though ARC is the future for iOS and 
>> OS X, the GC won't go away anytime soon. In other words, MacRuby runs on 
>> MountainLion, so there is no real rush. But we need a plan and that plan 
>> probably means not using the GC anymore :p
>> 
>> Regarding MacRuby's releases, Laurent promised to push 0.11 and well, we are 
>> waiting on him but it should happen any day now ;)
>> 
>> Allan Delacruz, a designer friend of the project did a redesign of the site 
>> but we need some help to rebase and polish the content.
>> Volunteers please stand up, Allan's branch is there: 
>> https://github.com/AllanD/MacRubyWebsite  Maybe someone can find some time 
>> over President's day to give us an updated website? Don't hesitate to email 
>> the mailing list about that.
>> 
>> Xcode 4.3 It was reported that because Xcode is now a normal app, our 
>> templates aren't installed in the right place. We need a few volunteers to 
>> modify/test our installer to support the older and the newer Xcode. Or maybe 
>> we can just agree to only support the latest Xcode version (thoughts?)
>> 
>> Extra ideas for volunteers:
>> Changelog for 0.11 release, let's help Laurent writing the release blog post 
>> by giving him a summarized changelog
>> Sublime Text 2 http://www.sublimetext.com/ is the new TextMate and I quickly 
>> looked at it and adding MacRuby support seems really straightforward 
>> (requires some Python scripting but hey, that's better than dealing with 
>> AppleScript :p). My challenge to you is to offer a MacRuby/Cocoa package.
>> Organize the various samples we have and add them to the website.
>> Update the tutorials (linking to the online version of my book is fine but 
>> original stuff should be encouraged, especially what I missed in the book)
>> Document the MacRuby internals and help new devs contribute feature and fix 
>> bugs.
>> Summary: the sky isn't falling, we are all good but we need help and we need 
>> to grow the team of active contributors. Tell us what you are interested in 
>> helping with and let's get organized to push MacRuby to the next level.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> - Matt
>> 
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