[MacRuby-devel] A Future for MacRuby
I would like to probe sentiment around the future for MacRuby ? is there a future ? I am drawn to it - I like Ruby as a language and development approach. I appreciate the entrance it provides into Cocoa without having to sign up for Objective-C. But where does it fit within Apple's longer term view ? Is MacRuby about to be Orphaned ? It seems like something happened around march 2011.What are the groups within Apple that hate MacRuby and want to kill it as a threat to Objective-C ? I am loath to invest a lot of time and coding in something that is a dead-end. Would love to hear insights from anyone with better insight. Dan Farrand 1-307-367-2276 This message is intended only for the person or company to which it is addressed and is considered to be confidential unless otherwise identified as not being confidential. Please prohibit any dissemination of this information by or to persons or entities other than the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender. Green River Computing Services is a Wyoming corporation. ___ MacRuby-devel mailing list [email protected] http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel
Re: [MacRuby-devel] A Future for MacRuby
It's been great to read everyones thoughts on this subject. It's helped me get a better perspective on what MacRuby is. I am a Ruby newbie but have been working on Mac for a long time, mostly in the "business applications" space. Here is my 2 cents. I am very much a Mac fanboy and consequently an Apple advocate. However, I think Apple's weak spot going into the future is Objective-C. I view this issue as somewhat separate from Cocoa, but maybe folks who know more than I do will tell me that they are fused together. I don't actually find it pleasurable to code in Objective-C. There just seems to be too much abstraction, syntax and long rambling class/method names cluttering up the the editor window. I do find Ruby enjoyable to code in. I view Ruby as a way for Apple to provide more accessible pathways for would-be Mac and iOS developers. I had thought this might even have been Apple's idea in supporting MacRuby, But after hearing from everyone, I'm guessing it's more of a "lets keep our options open" attitude and Apples support is real but speculative. There is certainly no indication that Apple sees a problem with it's dependence on Objective-C. The Steve Jobs Apple probably sees it as a big plus because they effectively control the language. If nothing else, it looks like MacRuby is a fun way to poke around inside Cocoa so it's worth pushing into. thanks everyone for taking the time to respond to my original query. ___ MacRuby-devel mailing list [email protected] http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel
[MacRuby-devel] Re The Future of MacRuby
I am not a a contributor to MacRuby, but I have been interested in using it. Without Apple sponsorship, I have very little interest in MacRuby. Without commitment and support from Apple, it will be a never ending scramble to just keep up with niggling changes to xcode, cocoa and the build process. Every new release of anything by Apple will break stuff. By offering no comment and no hook into the apple labyrinth the message from Apple is that, "it is not strategic to us". The broader message may also be that computing in general is less and less strategic to Apple. So sad to say, I think it is goodby MacRuby. Very sad, because if Apple does care about the computing side of the business, they are going to need to provide an alternative to ObjectiveC and the aging development approach they have been living off of for the last 10 years.I had hopped that MacRuby might have pointed the way, but apparently not. danf ___ MacRuby-devel mailing list [email protected] http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel
Re: [MacRuby-devel] RubyMotion: Ruby for iOS
I like the idea that somebody is invested in Ruby for IOS to make money. Open Source is great for projects that become very popular. Projects related to Apple like MacRuby are inherently risky since Apple will be indifferent at best to weather it does something to break MacRuby, especially as they see it being a competitor for their preferred mindset. If a company can make money ensuring that MacRuby for Mac and IOS continue to survive Apple's passive aggressive ways, then it gives me greater incentive to invest my time using MacRuby. On the other hand we have to serious consider Apple's commitment to computing at all. As Apple ignores the computer market, the point will come where none of the rest of it maters. If the next computer I buy is not an Apple product, the likely hood grows that the next phone or tablet I buy will not be a MAC OS/iOS product. As someone who makes a living from computing, it is the computer that leads not the other gadgets. ___ MacRuby-devel mailing list [email protected] http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel
