A List Update From Moderator Mark: All Is Well
Hello Everyone, First, as Cara and I manage both the MacVisionaries and V iPhone lists, I am cross-posting. Second, allow me to extend a welcome to all the new list members. For the past couple of hours, I given a great deal of thought on how to respond to some of the statements made on list, today. Finally, it occurred to me that to respond to the messages that have stirred up more than a few flames would be the worst thing I could possibly do. So, instead, I will say the following: 1. Like it or not, as blind and low vision people, we share an existence that binds us together in a very special way. Some people treasure this bond and some do not but regardless it is there. I want you all to know that I value this connection more than words can express. 2. I ask you all to keep in mind that despite the efforts of some list members, neither the MacVisionaries nor the V iPhone lists exist merely to serve as a database of questions and answers; if that is what you seek, then you would be better serve by searching your nearest knowledge base. In addition to exchanging knowledge, This list is a place for us to fellowship in some small way. I want to make it clear that in no way am I condoning personal chat-like posts but, from time-to-time, such posts will make their way to the entire list. When this happens, please be tolerant. 3. We share a bond, Family, so it really doesn't matter to which list you choose to subscribe for the information will eventually find its way to us all. I don't want anyone to leave the list for I sincerely think Cara has cultivated something very unique and special here but if you think you can build a better mousetrap then, by all means, build it and we will celebrate you for in so doing, we celebrate ourselves as we are one community. It's really that simple. There is no competition. 4. A very special thanks to all of you who take the time to answer questions and publish some of the best podcasts in the world. I'm always excited when someone posts a notice to the list describing his/her latest podcast which is filled with useful information from which we all can benefit. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 5. It is not easy to manage large email lists for there will always be some who choose to see only the shadows in a room filled with light. It is to these list members that I say the following: Personal criticisms will no longer be tolerated. While I will not ban anyone from receiving information posted to the list, if you lob personal attacks against any other list member or take it upon yourself to moderate fellow members by criticizing their posts, I will summarily revoke your posting privileges. It's really that simple. If you have a problem which a list member, contact that person off-list. If you don't like something on the list, Contact Cara or me. Just so you know, I have already begun to implement this policy. 6. To those who think that "no one is listening", I want you to know that, because of the brilliant implementation of VoiceOver with the Mac mail client and the iOS mail client, I either read or skim through virtually all of the list messages. 7. To those of you who find yourselves being overwhelmed with posts from the lists, I invite you to consider either switching to List Digest Mode or explore your preferred mail client so that you can browse list messages more efficiently. 8. I want you to know that I look forward to reading all your messages. When reading, I am amazed at how comforting it is to learn that I am not the only one experiencing a particular problem or challenge on my Apple device or in my Apple compatible software. Some how, I feel less alone when reading your experiences so please keep them coming. 9. As has been stated several times before, whenever there is a major operating system release, list traffic will increase. Please be tolerant of this and know that more often than not, the increase is temporary. 10. We live in amazing times, Family; keep this in mind when you find yourself becoming discouraged, irritated, or just plain bothered. As blind and low vision people, we enjoy access to the world in ways that no generation before us could even imagine. Be assured that the integrity of this list is intact and all is well. I hope this message finds you happy, safe, and making a joyful noise. Most Sincerely, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Good Things About Lion and Safari
Well, I suppose those too words are a good fit in more than one context. :) In any case, here are some things I've noticed improvement on with VO. 1. VO just seems much more stable to me. I haven't had to restart it once since I got Lion a week ago. 2. I used to have a terrible problem with quick-nav spontaneously activating itself. No more. Yay. 3. I haven't had to import my vO prefs once since I've had Lion, whereas I used to have to do this three times in a week. 4. Safari and vO play much more nicely together, IMO. There are many fewer "busy" messages. Good job, developers. I'm pleased in general. Of course, there are always little things that don't go as smoothly as they might, but these things happen with computer software. Anyone else had similar experiences to mine? Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
What is iWeb
Just a curious question as I've seen references to it in various places. Is it an engine for web browsers, or something else entirely? Thanks, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Mod note - a final note from me tonight -was- Re: List Moderator Message To Come Later Today
Hello again All, and a lovely night to you and day to some. Let me remind you that there is to be no sniping / flaming on this list. This is one thing we just can't tolerate here. Surely you realize how many millions of better ways there are to communicate positively with eachother here so that you can be heard, and cary on a greater dialogue with your list mates. If you don't like someone, then please simply take it up off-list with them. This way we all benefit. The parties involved pay closer attention to eachother and the list can go on as it ought. -Make sense?… Let me just leave you all with a question this evening… What kind of list do you want? Please don't answer on the list, in fact, please don't even answer to the mods. -Just think about this picture of your ideal list and then imagine how you would fit into it. K? How would this list be able to function smoothly with as many smart / cool people as we have? How would it be the best resource possible? -and how would you, yourself, make that happen? What would be your contribution?… Please keep this in mind for a while, as you go about your night or day. I'm sure some will be glad that I'm done chattering for the day now! :) Have a terrific night and catch ya'll on the flip! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Jul 28, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Tammy wrote: Hi, Nice to see you’re reading the posts, but what’s the point of the below? Make a joyful noise? lol lol lol If I do will my behaviour be noticed? Tammy From: M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:03 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: List Moderator Message To Come Later Today Hello, All, There have been some interesting posts to the lists and I will address them later today. I am posting this short note so that you know that the lists mods are reading the posts. Make a joyful noise, Today, Ok? Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Looking for a music creator program
Unfortunately, there's nothing that works with VoiceOver. You write notation, you can look at Sibelius. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Spotify not accessible on Snow Leopard
I had the chance to check that out by choosing an artist that I know I don't have any of in my personal collection. And yes, you're right. Next question is, how do I set it up so that all the tunes that I find under an artist get played in a row instead of one at a time? I heard one song followed by an ad. I don't care about the commercials, but I would like to hear several songs in a row commercials are not. I don't want to have to press the play button for each song. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: MOderator Note - Please read
Hello all,,, I think it's a shame that Cara has to babysit grown men and women because they act like babies! this takes a lot of energy from Cara who has an illness! this is wrong! I think you should let Carlyn do her part as moderator and give her some teeth! Let her remove trouble-makers or put them on moderator status! This means their posts don't reach the list unless the moderator approves! It's a shame that people need to moderate adults who feel like throwing a temper tantrum! It detracts from those who want to learn. Isaac - Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 6:50 PM Subject: MOderator Note - Please read Hi All; Firstly, Mark is due to post a mod note as well today, so I'll let him speak for himself. For myself, I want to first apologize for being away / quiet for several weeks. The last two and a half or so have been taken up with quite the persistent and annoying little illness. So I haven't been keeping touch with the lists much. HOwever, in the short time that I've had today to go through just the scantest few posts, I've already seen enough to warrant this additional mod note. So here goes. Despite some speculations here about the purpose of the list being to drive traffic to blogs or that the mods no longer care about the quality / rules of the lists; let me just say that nothing could be further from the truth, and frankly I'm simply amazed at the level of derision that some listers have begun showing and sharing on this list. -This is a mailing list; moderation teams change and grow all the time on such lists and forums. This is no excuse to start rumors or mistreat eachother. Just because a mod might not be there every single second of every day, doesn't mean that the list guidelines and etiquette go out the window. Now please know, I'm not talking to new listers here, so much when I say this, but really to those of you who have been around here a while, and who ABSOLUTELY know better. If you want to trash the list,the people on it, or the mods, then please, by all means, go right ahead, but for God's sake, do it off the list! lol! Know what I mean? Please seriously have just the slightest bit of courtesy for eachother and for the list itself. If you no longer wish to be here, you know how to leave. But please please please be adults and don't go ruining this valuable resource for others whom may really like it or need it. That's not fair and it's disrespectful in the extreme. Regardless of whether we post list guidelines or not, I'm really talking here about just plain, general, basic good ole' netiquette. Treat others as you would like to be treated. YOu're all smart peeps here! YOu can do this! -KNow what I mean?… :) Now please; I'll be catching up on tons of email, please do treat eachother with courtesy and respect?… I thank you for your time and will get back with you soon. Have a great day / evening, wherever you may be!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: List Moderator Message To Come Later Today
Hi, Nice to see you’re reading the posts, but what’s the point of the below? Make a joyful noise? lol lol lol If I do will my behaviour be noticed? Tammy From: M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:03 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: List Moderator Message To Come Later Today Hello, All, There have been some interesting posts to the lists and I will address them later today. I am posting this short note so that you know that the lists mods are reading the posts. Make a joyful noise, Today, Ok? Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Pairing iPhone with Bsp
Hi all, I'm trying to pair my Bsp with my iPhone, but it's not working. I'm traveling, so don't have access to my documentation. If someone could post the steps, I would be most grateful. TIA, Donna Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Looking for a music creator program
Hi Paul! did anyone suggest musescore? musescore.org Actually others looking for a program that lets you create notation using midi might want to look at this as well, its one of the features. I am not 100% certain how she likes to write, but it may be closer than some. I found rather a few notation and notation to mp3 type options for the mac. I simply googled your question, or with a slight change, music creation software for the mac? and found a few sites with free mac programs. Music Creator still exists BTW, I could not discover firmly if there is a mac edition however. If you are doing anything virtual though, its still out there for windows. cakewalk is the parent company yes. Last of all is mup, but this may be dated? Hope some of this helps, Karen Lewellen On Thu, 28 Jul 2011, Paul Henrichsen wrote: Hi. We took a look at it last night. It has nothing in it for writing a score. It all deals with loops and recorded music. Interesting, but no way to enter a music score. Still looks like it would be fun to play with, though. On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: I don't know this for sure but I believe it does. Why not have her try it out? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote: Does garage band allow one to enter a score without hooking up a midi device? Cakewalk and scorewriter allowed one to do this using a mouse. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:40 PM, "Jeff Bishop" wrote: Couldn't Garage Band do this maybe? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Henrichsen Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:38 PM To: Mac Visionaries Discussion List Subject: Looking for a music creator program Hi, All. On the PC, my sighted wife used to use a version of Cakewalk a few years ago which allowed her to enter music one note at a time. I'm not a music reader, but i guess she could enter the staffs and create the entire choir song as if it were played on the piano. She would use her mouse to do this. She could then save the mp3 so I could listen to it and learn my part. She could even drop the volume on the other parts so I could primarily hear the bass line. Is there anything like that on the Mac? I'd like to find something for as I know she enjoyed entering music. Since she is sighted, accessibility isn't an issue. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Choosing a Mac Book Air
Hi: If the difference is $100, I'd go for the 13 inch. You won't regret going bigger. On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: > Thanks to both of you. > > I think my choice is now pretty clearly between the 11 inch with 4Gb and 128 > Gb SSD and the 13 inch with the same spec. There is a $100 price difference > between the two at $1349 or $1449. The 13 also has a slightly faster > processor and supposably better battery life. I guess I will just keep > playing with them in store. The base model is only $1099 Australian but as I > suspected, I shouldn't have been considering this one. > > Garth > > On 29/07/2011, at 12:05 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > >> Hello Garth, >> >> I have a late 2010 11 inch macbook air and can give my opinions. I've never >> tried the 13 inch Air, so I won't give an opinion on it. >> Regarding RAM: I think there are several good reasons to purchase it with 4 >> GB of RAM. >> Reason one: Unlike most computers, RAM on the Air is not upgradable after >> you've purchased it. It is soldered to the system board and cannot be >> expanded. Perhaps an enterprising third party will come along with a method >> of upgrading RAM but as of yet this has not happened to the best of my >> knowledge. >> Reason two: Lion's minimum RAM requirement is two GB. It's probably a good >> idea to have more than the minimum even if you only plan to do basic web >> surfing, email and skype.. >> Reason three: If you're considering the only model that comes with 2GB RAM, >> I assume that also means you're considering the 64 GB SSD that comes with >> that base model. Apple's retail price is US $100 to bump that base model up >> to 4GB. However, if you bypass the base model and go with the higher-level >> model, you will get both the additional 2 GB of RAM plus a 128 GB SSD for >> not a lot more money, especially if you shop around at vendors such as >> macmall and amazon where you can find better pricing. While I would normally >> also recommend looking at Apple's online refurb store, in this case I think >> the reported performance improvements of the newest Air probably outweigh >> the small price difference offered by purchasing a last-generation >> refurbished Air. >> >> Regarding Zoom: I used Zoom extensively in the past when my vision was >> better, and I still use it sometimes with my 24 inch external monitor. For >> getting out of tricky situations, I find Zoom is fine on the 11 inch screen. >> Try it in the store and see what you think. You can zoom the heck out of >> most things. If you're like me and cannot see anything on a white >> background, you might want to also try reversing the video to >> white-on-black. The Zoom, color and contrast options can all be found and >> quickly toggled in the Universal Access panel of System Preferences. If you >> decide to attach an external monitor, you can do this through the new >> Thunderbolt port which actually doubles as a mini DisplayPort, thus allowing >> you to use Apple's variety of adapters to connect to VGA, DVI and I think >> HDMI displays. >> >> HTH, >> Bryan >> >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 5:33 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>> I am trying to decide which Mac Book Air to buy. I would love to hear the >>> experiences of those of you who use the zoom feature with VO. I have been >>> trying the air out at our local Apple store and am trying to decide between >>> the 11 inch and the 13 inch models. >>> >>> Firstly, do you all think that it is important to get 4 Gb RAM or would 2 >>> Gb be fine with VO. Keep in mind that the Air would primarily be used for >>> email and browsing. At times I will be using the Air for skype and will >>> want to be able to record the audio. >>> >>> Next, how well does the Zoom feature work. The reason for asking is that I >>> am trying to evaluate the value of spending an extra $100 or so for the >>> extra screen realestate of the 13 inch. My sight is poor enough that I >>> would probably only use the screen to help get out of those tricky >>> situations where seeing the screen makes it easier. I hope this makes >>> sence to some of you. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
RE: Looking for a music creator program
Bummer, sorry. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Henrichsen Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 7:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Looking for a music creator program Hi. We took a look at it last night. It has nothing in it for writing a score. It all deals with loops and recorded music. Interesting, but no way to enter a music score. Still looks like it would be fun to play with, though. On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > I don't know this for sure but I believe it does. Why not have her try it out? > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote: > > Does garage band allow one to enter a score without hooking up a midi device? Cakewalk and scorewriter allowed one to do this using a mouse. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:40 PM, "Jeff Bishop" wrote: > >> Couldn't Garage Band do this maybe? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Henrichsen >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:38 PM >> To: Mac Visionaries Discussion List >> Subject: Looking for a music creator program >> >> Hi, All. On the PC, my sighted wife used to use a version of Cakewalk >> a few years ago which allowed her to enter music one note at a time. >> I'm not a music reader, but i guess she could enter the staffs and >> create the entire choir song as if it were played on the piano. >> She would use her mouse to do this. >> She could then save the mp3 so I could listen to it and learn my >> part. She could even drop the volume on the other parts so I could >> primarily hear the bass line. >> Is there anything like that on the Mac? >> I'd like to find something for as I know she enjoyed entering music. >> Since she is sighted, accessibility isn't an issue. >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Looking for a music creator program
Hi. We took a look at it last night. It has nothing in it for writing a score. It all deals with loops and recorded music. Interesting, but no way to enter a music score. Still looks like it would be fun to play with, though. On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > I don't know this for sure but I believe it does. Why not have her try it > out? > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote: > > Does garage band allow one to enter a score without hooking up a midi device? > Cakewalk and scorewriter allowed one to do this using a mouse. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:40 PM, "Jeff Bishop" wrote: > >> Couldn't Garage Band do this maybe? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Henrichsen >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:38 PM >> To: Mac Visionaries Discussion List >> Subject: Looking for a music creator program >> >> Hi, All. On the PC, my sighted wife used to use a version of Cakewalk a few >> years ago which allowed her to enter music one note at a time. I'm not a >> music reader, but i guess she could enter the staffs and create the entire >> choir song as if it were played on the piano. >> She would use her mouse to do this. >> She could then save the mp3 so I could listen to it and learn my part. She >> could even drop the volume on the other parts so I could primarily hear the >> bass line. >> Is there anything like that on the Mac? >> I'd like to find something for as I know she enjoyed entering music. >> Since she is sighted, accessibility isn't an issue. >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Macvisionaries Wiki
Hey Kevin; While I'd certainly never discourage such a wiki, I will say that though it may be difficult for seasoned Mac users to hear the same questions over and over again, it can actually be a good thing in that new users will see answers to common questions that they themselves may not even know they have yet. This was partially what Josh and I had in mind when we were discussing Maccessibility.net. While it is certainly recognized, There's a caveat. Unfortunately, the reality at the moment, is that most people are way more likely to simply post a question here or on another list long before they consult Google or a wiki for their answer. This is actually part of the purpose of why this and other lists exist. This list can be a gateway for new or aspiring users of the Mac / Apple products where they can get their feet wet so to speak, and if they choose, become experts in their own right. this list is a journey for each person on it. We're not all at the same place, but we're all in essence going to the same place. -Know what I mean? Great post though and good luck if you decide to go with your idea! Sites like AppleVis have become quite popular for iPhone apps, so perhaps your wiki would take off just fine. :) Have a terrific night! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:08 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote: Hello list members, I'm discovering a lot of messages on the list that seem to be asking the same questions over and over. I'm wondering if it would be more efficient for several creative people out there to create a Macvisionaries wiki which would contain answers to common questions and cover several common topics such as: • Primers on switching from PC screen readers to the Mac • Voiceover basics and common keystrokes in Mac OS X. • Common commands, workarounds and techniques for programs such as Safari, Mail, Address Book and so on. • Tutorials on working with said programs and others such as Garage Band, Logic, twitter clients and other third party software. • Contacts for developers, accessibility status and other information about less accessible programs. • Other things I haven't thought of. Just thought I'd throw this idea out there. Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Macvisionaries Wiki
Hello all, this is a great idea. it would be nice to have one place where one could go and find all of the tutorials, manuals and faqs. i know apple does some of this itself. but there are a lot more resources now for the mac than ever before. On Jul 28, 2011, at 6:08 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote: > Hello list members, > > I'm discovering a lot of messages on the list that seem to be asking the same > questions over and over. I'm wondering if it would be more efficient for > several creative people out there to create a Macvisionaries wiki which would > contain answers to common questions and cover several common topics such as: > > • Primers on switching from PC screen readers to the Mac > • Voiceover basics and common keystrokes in Mac OS X. > • Common commands, workarounds and techniques for programs such as > Safari, Mail, Address Book and so on. > • Tutorials on working with said programs and others such as Garage Band, > Logic, twitter clients and other third party software. > • Contacts for developers, accessibility status and other information > about less accessible programs. > • Other things I haven't thought of. > > Just thought I'd throw this idea out there. > > Kevin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Mod note -was- Re: The Chris Gilland saga.
Cliff and list; Once again, this is an additional note that I've also asked that we keep this sort of thing off this group, K? If anyone has any opinions, critique or suggestions for the mods about our character, or how this list works, then please write us directly and keep it off the list. K? Thanks so much and again, do have a terrific night! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: This confirms everything I heard about this list before I got on it. And most of them were negative, and not about Karel either. I'm probably just adding to the drama, but decided to add my 2 cent worth. CJ, email me off list again or call me and we can catch up. On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:40 PM, CJ Daniel wrote: > Okay, > > First, that's sadly hysterical. Secondly, why hasn't this guy been sent > packing. As a Christian, I'm sorry for his problems, but reluctant to > subject myself or others to his, very obvious, social disorders. Anyway, @ > the very least, this post puts what I've been seeing, for over a month, in > some sort of prospective. > > CJ > > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> Greetings y'all, >> >> Since there was a decision in early June to go to what amounts to an >> unmonitored list where the mod team is primarily interested in driving >> traffic to a blog site and "being positive" meaning that no standards are >> enforced, why not have some fun and share a year old (but still amusing) >> saga of Christopher-Mark "I'm! Abs!olu!te!ly! the! Lion! GURU!" Gilland. >> Clearly we're dealing with some pretty major personality disorders and >> immaturity, which wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't affecting so many >> others who are trying to follow the list closely for assistance taming the >> Lion. >> >> The reader is here by admonished to be sure to have several boxes of tissues >> on hand for all the tears (most likely of laughter). Also, the following >> text includes language that I would normally never place on a public list, >> even indirectly, but it is needed for perspective, and hey, as one of my >> former managers often said: "you can say anything you want, on your last >> day on the job!!". I've reached the point where I'm ready for Mr. Joyful >> noise to kick me off the list and then maybe Carolyn and others can start an >> alternative option where the narcissism and chat group content is kept to a >> minimum and a modicum of list etiquette is actually enforced by the mods, >> which may not be interpreted as being positive and making a joyful noise by >> some. >> >> Okay, now that the box of clean-ex is within reach and the kitties are out >> of ear shot, here goes!! >> >> The following list exchange autta be good for a few laughs. The initial >> dialog on this support ticket submitted to CodeFactory is also very amusing. >> For one thing Chris turned me into a CF employee, but more importantly my >> feelings were absolutely crushed because he was angry at Scott over things >> that I actually said. >> >> Also amusing that codeFactory was held responsible?! >> Geoff >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Chris Gilland" >> To: ; "Mobile Speak/Magnifier Pocket Users List" >> >> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 2:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [MSP] Weird behavior with touch pro 2 >> God fucking dammit! he asked for help, and help is what I gave him, unlike >> some of you immature nuts on here refuse to do!Get over it! >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Geoff Waaler" >> To: "Mobile Speak/Magnifier Pocket Users List" >> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:13 PM >> Subject: [MSP] A little levity. >> After yesterday I can't resist sharing this post from another list. Perhaps >> a review of John 8-7 is in order? >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Christopher Gilland" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 5:20 PM >> Subject: Vulgar language on the list >> Guies, if I hear the f word one more time on this list, quoting someone else >> or not, I'm leaving, case closed. I'm not subjecting myself to that type >> language. You're certain entited to how you wanna talk, however, I'm a >> Christian, and will not stand for it, point blank. >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scott Granados" >> To: "Mobile Speak/Magnifier Pocket Users List" >> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [MSP] A little levity. >> Hahahahahaha >> >> That's classic, >> On one list he's a Christian, on the other he's swearing like a sailor. >> >> What would Jesus do? >> >> lol >> >> -Original Message- >> From: msp_mailing-boun...@codefactory.cat >> [mailto:msp_mailing-boun...@codefactory.cat] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland >> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 14:41 AM >> To: mss_mail...@codefactory.es >> Cc: msp_mail...@codefa
Re: semi-pro list
Hi Cliff and list; -Just a reminder here, that I've actually asked that this topic be closed now. Please, if you'd like to discuss other lists then please do it elsewhere, K? Thanks so very much and please do have a totally awesome evening!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: Would lurkers be allowed? By this I mean like Rose just reads and stays quiet, would we be allowed to do this on your new list? Thanks. Kliphton SR (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group)http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians On Jul 28, 2011, at 1:14 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > Hi Courtney: > By semiprofessional, I mean a list where there is even and decent exchange of > questions and resources, and ideas, and not the narcissistic ego-driven > chest-pounding nonsense and blubbering about what everyone else is doing > wrong. I would like to haves a list Where people are treated with respect, > and you don't have to read about the trouble someone went through to spoon > feed you the fix for your problem, or how great someone thinks his own > podcast is, or how badly someone think Apple is doing. In short, stuff that > matters to members one and mostly all. > > That's my vision. > > Carolyn > On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> I'm just curious, what do you mean by "simi professional"? >> Thanks, Courtney >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> So sorry to see you leave us. Indeed, let me go further. I'm sorry to see >>> the former quality of this list degenerated in to something that, to speak >>> frankly, it has no business being. It certainly was not this way when I >>> first came on board. To speak candidly, it would appear that certain >>> people get very agitated when Apple, (or for that matter anybody else) >>> doesn't respond immediately to them and solve all their problems like the >>> world revolts around them. No Chris, I'm not picking on you particularly; >>> though it may perhaps seem otherwise. Look, let's face facts. We al of us >>> are trying to get used to this new beast we find under our hoods. Some of >>> us like it and others have issues. Frankly, it seems to me that emotions >>> are running rather too high to suit the circumstances. I'm remaining >>> though. Why? Simple. I know that, eventually, this too shall pass and >>> the list will return to normal. At least, that sure better happen. >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>> >>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>> >>> Skype name: >>> barefootedray >>> >>> Facebook: >>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:16 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: >>> Hello list members: I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here. I'm Carolyn, a former moderator of the group. When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of people had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations were just too stringent, and pushing people away. I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is. I'm considering starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like to know if there's any others interested in such. If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried. My email is chaas0...@gmail.com. Please only interested people respond, as I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:) Take care, and thank you for reading. Carolyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- >
Macvisionaries Wiki
Hello list members, I'm discovering a lot of messages on the list that seem to be asking the same questions over and over. I'm wondering if it would be more efficient for several creative people out there to create a Macvisionaries wiki which would contain answers to common questions and cover several common topics such as: • Primers on switching from PC screen readers to the Mac • Voiceover basics and common keystrokes in Mac OS X. • Common commands, workarounds and techniques for programs such as Safari, Mail, Address Book and so on. • Tutorials on working with said programs and others such as Garage Band, Logic, twitter clients and other third party software. • Contacts for developers, accessibility status and other information about less accessible programs. • Other things I haven't thought of. Just thought I'd throw this idea out there. Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: semi-pro list
Would lurkers be allowed? By this I mean like Rose just reads and stays quiet, would we be allowed to do this on your new list? Thanks. Kliphton SR (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group)http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians On Jul 28, 2011, at 1:14 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > Hi Courtney: > By semiprofessional, I mean a list where there is even and decent exchange of > questions and resources, and ideas, and not the narcissistic ego-driven > chest-pounding nonsense and blubbering about what everyone else is doing > wrong. I would like to haves a list Where people are treated with respect, > and you don't have to read about the trouble someone went through to spoon > feed you the fix for your problem, or how great someone thinks his own > podcast is, or how badly someone think Apple is doing. In short, stuff that > matters to members one and mostly all. > > That's my vision. > > Carolyn > On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> I'm just curious, what do you mean by "simi professional"? >> Thanks, Courtney >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> So sorry to see you leave us. Indeed, let me go further. I'm sorry to see >>> the former quality of this list degenerated in to something that, to speak >>> frankly, it has no business being. It certainly was not this way when I >>> first came on board. To speak candidly, it would appear that certain >>> people get very agitated when Apple, (or for that matter anybody else) >>> doesn't respond immediately to them and solve all their problems like the >>> world revolts around them. No Chris, I'm not picking on you particularly; >>> though it may perhaps seem otherwise. Look, let's face facts. We al of us >>> are trying to get used to this new beast we find under our hoods. Some of >>> us like it and others have issues. Frankly, it seems to me that emotions >>> are running rather too high to suit the circumstances. I'm remaining >>> though. Why? Simple. I know that, eventually, this too shall pass and >>> the list will return to normal. At least, that sure better happen. >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>> >>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>> >>> Skype name: >>> barefootedray >>> >>> Facebook: >>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:16 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: >>> Hello list members: I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here. I'm Carolyn, a former moderator of the group. When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of people had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations were just too stringent, and pushing people away. I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is. I'm considering starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like to know if there's any others interested in such. If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried. My email is chaas0...@gmail.com. Please only interested people respond, as I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:) Take care, and thank you for reading. Carolyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou
Re: Apple to the core episode 3
Thanks, do to Cody paying closer attention to the podcast than I did, lol, I would like to point out a mistake I made in the show. I said the command to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor was VO shift F5. This is incorrect. The correct command is VO command F5. Thanks again to Cody. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 28, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi Ricardo! Now that was great! Cheers! Colin On 28 Jul 2011, at 23:56, Cody wrote: > You do amazing podcasts, and they're super helpful :) please do more, and add > em to Skype if you like Ricardo, I'd like to speak with you. I also sent you > an email off list… > > Cody > On Jul 28, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> In this episode, I show off some new features in voiceover found in Lion >> like activities and drag and drop. I also show how to use the favourites >> bar in Mail. You can listen at >> >> http://goo.gl/Lm1Up >> >> hth >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >> www.mobileaccess.org >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: a question about signitures
Just always make sure if you have more than one that you double check the right one is selected. Kliphton SR (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group)http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote: > Hi matt, it looks like it worked. Thanks much. > > sent from my macbook pro > > On 2011-07-28, at 12:12 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > >> Hey Matt. >> What you have to do is select the account in the left table and then scroll >> over and hit the add button. >> Next, you will be in a text box where you can type the name of the signature >> so call it what ever you want. >> Finally, go over to the text field and type what you want the signature to >> say. >> Let me know if this doesn't work because I just tried it my self. >> Matthew Campbell. >> >> On 2011-07-28, at 12:03 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote: >> >>> I have a question about signatures. How would i go about creating one and >>> making it my default signature? The dialog is a bit strange. >>> Thanks >>> Matt >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple to the core episode 3
Hi Ricardo! Now that was great! Cheers! Colin On 28 Jul 2011, at 23:56, Cody wrote: > You do amazing podcasts, and they're super helpful :) please do more, and add > em to Skype if you like Ricardo, I'd like to speak with you. I also sent you > an email off list… > > Cody > On Jul 28, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> In this episode, I show off some new features in voiceover found in Lion >> like activities and drag and drop. I also show how to use the favourites >> bar in Mail. You can listen at >> >> http://goo.gl/Lm1Up >> >> hth >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >> www.mobileaccess.org >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Moderator note -was- Re: To the Moderators
Hi again All; Let me just respectfully request that we take this topic of other lists off this list. Also, if any of you have real genuine concerns for the moderators of this list, then by all means, get in contact with us off the list. Please please please do continue this privately and keep this exchange where it belongs, K? Thanks again and a lovely day to you all! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: John, thanks for the info on these other lists. I definitely will check them out. I don't see any reason to unsub from the other list, but we'll discuss this off list if needed. Just because I don['t post much, it is a resourceful list. I just felt I didn't get very many replies aside from one member and I have his/her e-mail address and skype info, so it's not like I couldn't just call them or write them privately, which is what I've been doing. I'm on Mac4theBlind, but I'm more of a lerker there, none the less. Hope that's OK. If not though, talk to me off list about it as there isn't a need to bore others with that personal part of the list, I'd not think. Anyways, my e-mail address is: clgillan...@gmail.com If that doesn't work, then try me at: cgilla...@carolina.rr.com Either address should reach me just fine. Chris. - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: Re: To the Moderators As the owner of mac4theblind, just to clarify this misconception, the list is intended to be small and low traffic. It gets the job done for those who are subscribed, and there is no pretenses made of it trying to be an alternative to any other list out there. If it doesn't do the job for you, you are more than welcomed to unsubscribe or I can do it for you. As other lists out there, there is the Mac VoiceOver list run through http://www.icanworthisthing.com There is also,as mentioned, the Mac-access list. http://www.mac-access.net There are probably others out there as well, but those come to mind off the top of my head. In time, though, as people become more familiar with Lion, this list will settle down and return more towards the helpful and smooth-running list we are used to being a part of. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > He's probably talking about Mac4theblind. I'm on it, but I almost never post > there. Not because I can't do so, it's just I felt I really wasn't getting > near the help on that list that I have and still am getting on this list. I > don't think that they're many members on the other list, actually. I know > Sarah Alowami's there, and maybe like 10 or 20 others that regularly post. > Trust me, it's really not worth it in my personal opinion. Again though, > that's only my opinion. If you'd like, Ronald, I can try to find the > subscription info for you. I make no guarantees. I know a friend of mine > had to help me with finding the sub info, but again, if you would like to > subscribe, I'll be more than happy to try to figure out the address to do so. > > Aside that list and the VIPhone list, those are the only lists I know of. > Apparently there is also a maccessibility list, but I've never admittedly > tried looking upo the info. > > I'll bet you it's probably on > > maccessibility.net > though. > > You want me to take a look for ya? > > Let me know. glad to help, if I can. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Ronald McEwan" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: To the Moderators > > > So do tell, what is the other list name. > > > In the Journey, > > Ron > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can >> tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about >> anything unless its Mac related. >> >> I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as >> it was stuffy before so I came off it. Its much better than the other list. >> >> Kawal. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: >> >>> Hi Ron: >>> It is very much like a free for all. There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and >>> one moderator, Mark Taylor. There are no guidelines in place, because >>> according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the >>> group was being moderated. Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of >>> alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost >>> anything goes approach has been adopted. >>> Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional >>> ambiance/. But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer
Re: Apple to the core episode 3
You do amazing podcasts, and they're super helpful :) please do more, and add em to Skype if you like Ricardo, I'd like to speak with you. I also sent you an email off list… Cody On Jul 28, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi folks, > > In this episode, I show off some new features in voiceover found in Lion like > activities and drag and drop. I also show how to use the favorites bar in > Mail. You can listen at > > http://goo.gl/Lm1Up > > hth > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
MOderator Note - Please read
Hi All; Firstly, Mark is due to post a mod note as well today, so I'll let him speak for himself. For myself, I want to first apologize for being away / quiet for several weeks. The last two and a half or so have been taken up with quite the persistent and annoying little illness. So I haven't been keeping touch with the lists much. HOwever, in the short time that I've had today to go through just the scantest few posts, I've already seen enough to warrant this additional mod note. So here goes. Despite some speculations here about the purpose of the list being to drive traffic to blogs or that the mods no longer care about the quality / rules of the lists; let me just say that nothing could be further from the truth, and frankly I'm simply amazed at the level of derision that some listers have begun showing and sharing on this list. -This is a mailing list; moderation teams change and grow all the time on such lists and forums. This is no excuse to start rumors or mistreat eachother. Just because a mod might not be there every single second of every day, doesn't mean that the list guidelines and etiquette go out the window. Now please know, I'm not talking to new listers here, so much when I say this, but really to those of you who have been around here a while, and who ABSOLUTELY know better. If you want to trash the list,the people on it, or the mods, then please, by all means, go right ahead, but for God's sake, do it off the list! lol! Know what I mean? Please seriously have just the slightest bit of courtesy for eachother and for the list itself. If you no longer wish to be here, you know how to leave. But please please please be adults and don't go ruining this valuable resource for others whom may really like it or need it. That's not fair and it's disrespectful in the extreme. Regardless of whether we post list guidelines or not, I'm really talking here about just plain, general, basic good ole' netiquette. Treat others as you would like to be treated. YOu're all smart peeps here! YOu can do this! -KNow what I mean?… :) Now please; I'll be catching up on tons of email, please do treat eachother with courtesy and respect?… I thank you for your time and will get back with you soon. Have a great day / evening, wherever you may be!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Choosing a Mac Book Air
Good luck. I'm sure you will pick the machine that best suits your needs. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 28, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Thanks to both of you. I think my choice is now pretty clearly between the 11 inch with 4Gb and 128 Gb SSD and the 13 inch with the same spec. There is a $100 price difference between the two at $1349 or $1449. The 13 also has a slightly faster processor and supposably better battery life. I guess I will just keep playing with them in store. The base model is only $1099 Australian but as I suspected, I shouldn't have been considering this one. Garth On 29/07/2011, at 12:05 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello Garth, > > I have a late 2010 11 inch macbook air and can give my opinions. I've never > tried the 13 inch Air, so I won't give an opinion on it. > Regarding RAM: I think there are several good reasons to purchase it with 4 > GB of RAM. > Reason one: Unlike most computers, RAM on the Air is not upgradable after > you've purchased it. It is soldered to the system board and cannot be > expanded. Perhaps an enterprising third party will come along with a method > of upgrading RAM but as of yet this has not happened to the best of my > knowledge. > Reason two: Lion's minimum RAM requirement is two GB. It's probably a good > idea to have more than the minimum even if you only plan to do basic web > surfing, email and skype.. > Reason three: If you're considering the only model that comes with 2GB RAM, I > assume that also means you're considering the 64 GB SSD that comes with that > base model. Apple's retail price is US $100 to bump that base model up to > 4GB. However, if you bypass the base model and go with the higher-level > model, you will get both the additional 2 GB of RAM plus a 128 GB SSD for not > a lot more money, especially if you shop around at vendors such as macmall > and amazon where you can find better pricing. While I would normally also > recommend looking at Apple's online refurb store, in this case I think the > reported performance improvements of the newest Air probably outweigh the > small price difference offered by purchasing a last-generation refurbished > Air. > > Regarding Zoom: I used Zoom extensively in the past when my vision was > better, and I still use it sometimes with my 24 inch external monitor. For > getting out of tricky situations, I find Zoom is fine on the 11 inch screen. > Try it in the store and see what you think. You can zoom the heck out of most > things. If you're like me and cannot see anything on a white background, you > might want to also try reversing the video to white-on-black. The Zoom, color > and contrast options can all be found and quickly toggled in the Universal > Access panel of System Preferences. If you decide to attach an external > monitor, you can do this through the new Thunderbolt port which actually > doubles as a mini DisplayPort, thus allowing you to use Apple's variety of > adapters to connect to VGA, DVI and I think HDMI displays. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 5:33 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: >> I am trying to decide which Mac Book Air to buy. I would love to hear the >> experiences of those of you who use the zoom feature with VO. I have been >> trying the air out at our local Apple store and am trying to decide between >> the 11 inch and the 13 inch models. >> >> Firstly, do you all think that it is important to get 4 Gb RAM or would 2 >> Gb be fine with VO. Keep in mind that the Air would primarily be used for >> email and browsing. At times I will be using the Air for skype and will want >> to be able to record the audio. >> >> Next, how well does the Zoom feature work. The reason for asking is that I >> am trying to evaluate the value of spending an extra $100 or so for the >> extra screen realestate of the 13 inch. My sight is poor enough that I >> would probably only use the screen to help get out of those tricky >> situations where seeing the screen makes it easier. I hope this makes sence >> to some of you. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to
Apple to the core episode 3
Hi folks, In this episode, I show off some new features in voiceover found in Lion like activities and drag and drop. I also show how to use the favorites bar in Mail. You can listen at http://goo.gl/Lm1Up hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Using gmail web interface
Lol, It was not too boring but I probably wasn't still awake. I am fairly familiar with how the web rota works as I use a iPad and have one of the Apple Blue Tooth keyboards that I use with it. I'll give it another go and hopefully be able to get some assistance in store if unable to sign out. I have a bit of a fear that I will leave the store without properly signing out of my gmail account :) Garth On 29/07/2011, at 1:40 AM, "Red.Falcon" wrote: > Hi Garth! > Yes it's that annoying brit again! :] > Well I hope this is not to much info! > So I noticed you said about quick nav select [up\down] and that reminded me > that you can select how quick nav navigates with up\right arrows together > this will go through the same options that are listed under vo+u! > So if qn is on headers up\right arrows will change it to links! > From then on if you down arrow you will go through each link and get to the > sign out link that way! > Of course up\left will take you through the options the other way! > Now for the track pad I found doing a 1 finger flick to the right also took > me through each link and got me to the sign out link OK! > If this does not work on the Mac you are trying out it might be that the > mouse cursor is not following the vo cursor in settings! > I'm new to the track pad myself so as yet do not know the right command to > select an item using the track pad! > Hope this was not to boring and you are still awake! > Colin > > On 28 Jul 2011, at 14:19, Garth Humphreys wrote: > >> Hi Colin >> >> Thanks for the response. I can understand your directions. I will try the VO >> + U option tomorrow when in store. >> >> When I tried it last time, I was able to find my name on the web interface. >> The Apple rep could see on screen that the sign out link came up on screen >> when I selected the link with my name however neither of us could get VO to >> then go to the sign out link. BTW I tried both VO+space and the quick nav >> up / down arrows to select the my name link. >> >> Apart from this issue I found that it was really natural to be able to >> navigate the web with the track pad commander but there is also a lot that >> will take some getting use to. >> >> Thanks >> Garth >> >> On 28/07/2011, at 10:40 PM, "Red.Falcon" >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Garth! >>> OK when on the gmail screen and it should say something like your email and >>> under that options! >>> When sitting on your email link just press vo+space! >>> This should bring you to where you can check your settings and other things >>> like your profile! >>> You should find the sign out link there as well! >>> You could also use the web rota open with [vo+u and depending on what it is >>> set on like headers for example you can right arrow until it says links! >>> So sitting on the table of links if then you type s and i the choice's will >>> narrow down to just a few options one of which should be sign out! >>> So down arrow to that link on the list and press vo+space and that will >>> select that link and vo+space and then you will be signed out! >>> There is also if you do not want to try the rota just yet after pressing on >>> your email just arrow until you get to that sign out link and once again >>> vo+space on it! >>> hopefully this was not to confusing and it works for you! >>> Colin >>> >>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 01:18, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>> Garth Begin forwarded message: > From: Garth Humphreys > Date: 28 July 2011 10:12:23 AM AEST > To: "viph...@googlegroups.com" > Subject: Using gmail web interface > > Hi > > I still have not taken the plunge and bought a Mac however have been > playing with one at our local Apple store. I logged into my gmail > account in store and found that I couldn't work out how to log out. > > The apple rep in store was helping me and advised that there was a menu > that dropped down under my name which allows log out but we could not > work out how to get to it with VO on. In the end I just got the rep to > log out for me. I am sure this is very easy to do but I just couldn't > work it out. As I don't even have a Mac yet, I am obviously very > inexperienced at using the Mac. > > > > > > > Garth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscri
Re: Using gmail web interface
Sorry if I wasn't clear Colin, When I said I used the up and down arrows as well as VO + space, I meant that I tried both options to select the initial link. On both occasions the menu with sign out came up on the screen but we were then unable to get VO focus to go to it. I will try again today, maybe the page was just acting a bit weird that day. Other links on the page that act like menus were working normally so we;'ll see how it goes today. Thanks for the input and assistance. It is appreciated. Garth On 29/07/2011, at 12:13 AM, "Red.Falcon" wrote: > Hi Garth! > Well I think I can help with the quick nav thingy! > Instead of using the up down arrows try just the right one! > That should take you through each link until you get to the sign out one! > And I've got a track pad here so I'll just go and see what I can come up > with! [ I need the practice!] > hth Colin > > On 28 Jul 2011, at 14:19, Garth Humphreys wrote: > >> Hi Colin >> >> Thanks for the response. I can understand your directions. I will try the VO >> + U option tomorrow when in store. >> >> When I tried it last time, I was able to find my name on the web interface. >> The Apple rep could see on screen that the sign out link came up on screen >> when I selected the link with my name however neither of us could get VO to >> then go to the sign out link. BTW I tried both VO+space and the quick nav >> up / down arrows to select the my name link. >> >> Apart from this issue I found that it was really natural to be able to >> navigate the web with the track pad commander but there is also a lot that >> will take some getting use to. >> >> Thanks >> Garth >> >> On 28/07/2011, at 10:40 PM, "Red.Falcon" >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Garth! >>> OK when on the gmail screen and it should say something like your email and >>> under that options! >>> When sitting on your email link just press vo+space! >>> This should bring you to where you can check your settings and other things >>> like your profile! >>> You should find the sign out link there as well! >>> You could also use the web rota open with [vo+u and depending on what it is >>> set on like headers for example you can right arrow until it says links! >>> So sitting on the table of links if then you type s and i the choice's will >>> narrow down to just a few options one of which should be sign out! >>> So down arrow to that link on the list and press vo+space and that will >>> select that link and vo+space and then you will be signed out! >>> There is also if you do not want to try the rota just yet after pressing on >>> your email just arrow until you get to that sign out link and once again >>> vo+space on it! >>> hopefully this was not to confusing and it works for you! >>> Colin >>> >>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 01:18, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>> Garth Begin forwarded message: > From: Garth Humphreys > Date: 28 July 2011 10:12:23 AM AEST > To: "viph...@googlegroups.com" > Subject: Using gmail web interface > > Hi > > I still have not taken the plunge and bought a Mac however have been > playing with one at our local Apple store. I logged into my gmail > account in store and found that I couldn't work out how to log out. > > The apple rep in store was helping me and advised that there was a menu > that dropped down under my name which allows log out but we could not > work out how to get to it with VO on. In the end I just got the rep to > log out for me. I am sure this is very easy to do but I just couldn't > work it out. As I don't even have a Mac yet, I am obviously very > inexperienced at using the Mac. > > > > > > > Garth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > >
Re: To the Moderators
Hi Chris! If your still here! And you've not put a block on my post's! So I found out your a Christian OK that's fine by me! But all I referring to was that there are other people from other countries and they might not like the way people say things [and this is not aimed directly at you] But I still stand by watching how people phrase things! It's no skin off my nose and I'm thicked skinned! But to give you an idea of my thoughts about you! As far as Mac [ keeping it list relevant] you would wipe the floor with me I'm just a beginner compared to you and many on this list also can put me in my place! So I have no problem with your helpful comments and suggestions but you do not need all that other stuff! As it seems to me your quite good with language [unlike me] and therefore could put your views across without all that other stuff! As for a laid back list I've got no problem with that [i like a laugh to] So if you think you still can contribute then stay! Colin On 28 Jul 2011, at 19:09, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > OK, that probably explains why I've never heard of the list, being I'm not > from the UK. LOL! Like I say, it's ok, I get enough good resourceful help > here, so no need to bother joining another list for now at least. :) > > Take care. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:53 PM > Subject: Re: To the Moderators > > > Mac Access UK. I think that Anne Robertson is the moderator but I might be > wrong. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 28 Jul 2011, at 06:47 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote: > >> So do tell, what is the other list name. >> >> >> In the Journey, >> >> Ron >> >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I >>> can tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about >>> anything unless its Mac related. >>> >>> I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed approach it has >>> as it was stuffy before so I came off it. Its much better than the other >>> list. >>> >>> Kawal. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: >>> Hi Ron: It is very much like a free for all. There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and one moderator, Mark Taylor. There are no guidelines in place, because according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the group was being moderated. Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost anything goes approach has been adopted. Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional ambiance/. But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer the same approach I do.:) Take care CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: > Hi, > > It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a > free-for-all. I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to > do with Mac accessibility but apple in general. > > I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted > input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I > am considering leaving the list because of its current direction. > > Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. > > > > In the Journey, > > Ron > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvi
Re: Choosing a Mac Book Air
Thanks to both of you. I think my choice is now pretty clearly between the 11 inch with 4Gb and 128 Gb SSD and the 13 inch with the same spec. There is a $100 price difference between the two at $1349 or $1449. The 13 also has a slightly faster processor and supposably better battery life. I guess I will just keep playing with them in store. The base model is only $1099 Australian but as I suspected, I shouldn't have been considering this one. Garth On 29/07/2011, at 12:05 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello Garth, > > I have a late 2010 11 inch macbook air and can give my opinions. I've never > tried the 13 inch Air, so I won't give an opinion on it. > Regarding RAM: I think there are several good reasons to purchase it with 4 > GB of RAM. > Reason one: Unlike most computers, RAM on the Air is not upgradable after > you've purchased it. It is soldered to the system board and cannot be > expanded. Perhaps an enterprising third party will come along with a method > of upgrading RAM but as of yet this has not happened to the best of my > knowledge. > Reason two: Lion's minimum RAM requirement is two GB. It's probably a good > idea to have more than the minimum even if you only plan to do basic web > surfing, email and skype.. > Reason three: If you're considering the only model that comes with 2GB RAM, I > assume that also means you're considering the 64 GB SSD that comes with that > base model. Apple's retail price is US $100 to bump that base model up to > 4GB. However, if you bypass the base model and go with the higher-level > model, you will get both the additional 2 GB of RAM plus a 128 GB SSD for not > a lot more money, especially if you shop around at vendors such as macmall > and amazon where you can find better pricing. While I would normally also > recommend looking at Apple's online refurb store, in this case I think the > reported performance improvements of the newest Air probably outweigh the > small price difference offered by purchasing a last-generation refurbished > Air. > > Regarding Zoom: I used Zoom extensively in the past when my vision was > better, and I still use it sometimes with my 24 inch external monitor. For > getting out of tricky situations, I find Zoom is fine on the 11 inch screen. > Try it in the store and see what you think. You can zoom the heck out of most > things. If you're like me and cannot see anything on a white background, you > might want to also try reversing the video to white-on-black. The Zoom, color > and contrast options can all be found and quickly toggled in the Universal > Access panel of System Preferences. If you decide to attach an external > monitor, you can do this through the new Thunderbolt port which actually > doubles as a mini DisplayPort, thus allowing you to use Apple's variety of > adapters to connect to VGA, DVI and I think HDMI displays. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 5:33 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: >> I am trying to decide which Mac Book Air to buy. I would love to hear the >> experiences of those of you who use the zoom feature with VO. I have been >> trying the air out at our local Apple store and am trying to decide between >> the 11 inch and the 13 inch models. >> >> Firstly, do you all think that it is important to get 4 Gb RAM or would 2 >> Gb be fine with VO. Keep in mind that the Air would primarily be used for >> email and browsing. At times I will be using the Air for skype and will want >> to be able to record the audio. >> >> Next, how well does the Zoom feature work. The reason for asking is that I >> am trying to evaluate the value of spending an extra $100 or so for the >> extra screen realestate of the 13 inch. My sight is poor enough that I >> would probably only use the screen to help get out of those tricky >> situations where seeing the screen makes it easier. I hope this makes sence >> to some of you. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion DVD
OK But what I meant was, if it is just an upgrade DVD, not the full DVD, so it requires well that Snow Leopard is on the same drive were you can install Lion? - Original Message - From: "James Malone" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Lion DVD You need to run Disc Utility from the boot CD, select the HD your partition for SL is on, then click erase. HTH On 7/28/11, Hayri Tulumcu wrote: How can you remove snow leopard completely when it is only an upgrade DVD? For it fills the only 3.49GB! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Please? CJ On Jul 28, 2011, at 8:34 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Good Jesus H Christ guys! Give me a break for god sake! I wasn't > speculating! I asked what they would do, no more no less. > > If all you all think I do is complain, maybe I should leave the list. I'm > trying to help and ask educated questions, but it seems it's not worth me > waisting my time. > > > - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves. > > > Hi, > > In addition to jeff's comments, it's not worth speculating on what Apple may > or may not do if your MacBook crashed. Suggesting that they'll make you pay > extra money for a Pro or make you accept a MBA as a replacement is inaccurate > speculation. Giving them a bad wrap for something that hasn't even happened > or may not even be close to the truth is unfair. Wait and see what they do > if the situation arises then either comment or praise. > > Later… > > On 2011-07-28, at 8:32 AM, Geoff Shang wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> It's true that the MacBook is no longer being sold to regular consumers. But >> it's still being sold to educational institutions. As such, it's still >> being manufactured. So I'd expect it will still be possible to get your >> MacBook serviced for the foreseeable future. >> >> Geoff. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: To the Moderators
Hello: I might be stating the obvious ... it sounds like things have gotten a little out of hand. No sides being taken just a statement of the situation. If anyone agrees with that analysis it would seem the question on the table would be just what is going to be done going forward. If anyone disagrees with the analysis then hopefully they would agree that the current environment is unsustainable. Something has to give. That is all I wanted to say. Hopefully cool heads will prevail and comfort in the knowledge that this list is a reputable and secure place to acquire and share information can either be reestablished or continued ... depending upon how you see the situation. Take good care and I wish you all enough. On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: > Hi, > > It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all. > I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac > accessibility but apple in general. > > I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input > from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I am > considering leaving the list because of its current direction. > > Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. > > > > In the Journey, > > Ron > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Chris, Are you always so reactionary, with every situation that confronts you? I'm not trying to start anything. However, in over a month of monitoring this list I've seen you screaming the sky is falling or in the face of other list members an inordinate amount of the time. Again, I'm not trying to rattle your cage, but maybe if you'd settle down & reflect on how many times in life that most things work out, one way or another, you could just take a chill pill & quit being so precipitant & @ times down-right offensive. Just a thought, CJ On Jul 28, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > No optical drive, and not enough HD space are the two deal breakers for me. > Plus the guy at my local Apple store said if the O S crashes I have to send > it in for repair, as with no optical drive there is no way to restore the O S > yourself. When I pointed out a U S B CD drive, he said in theory you'd > think that would work, but it won't boot frm a U S B CD drive. He said even > going into open firmware and configuring things wouldn't do it. Finally, he > said no microphone nor eyesite web cam, which for me is enough major > dealbreaker. > > I dono if I trust the credibility of any of this, but if that all is true, > then, gag me with a spoon! Not only this, but $700 less than a MBP? this > guy told me that the two models of MBA's ran for $1200 each. > > Again, I am not saying that I necessarily believe all of this, but if it's > true, then, ee, gacks! > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:59 AM > Subject: RE: Apple may have done a number on themselves. > > >> Hi Chris, >> >> You're right about them not selling the white MacBook as of the release of >> Lion. However, we don't know the reasons behind the decision, and they could >> possibly come out with something that meets your needs. I'm confused, >> though, what makes the MacBook Air unimpressive in your eyes? It runs just >> as fast, if not faster than the MacBook Pros, for $700 less. The only thing >> you don't get is a traditional hard drive, which will end up solving a lot >> of drive failure problems anyway since there are no physical read heads to >> be damaged. I admit, the amount of storage you get in the entry level model >> is lesser than I'd want ideally, keep in mind the cost to manufacture solid >> state storage is astronomical. You also don't get an optical drive, but >> that's only $79.99 as an add-on. >> As far as the Lion accessibility issues, give apple time to fix things. No >> dot 0 release is always perfect. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark >> Gilland >> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 8:41 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Apple may have done a number on themselves. >> >> OK, I have a friend who has just informed me that Apple as of the release of >> Lion is no longer making, nor selling refurbished or not, the white plain >> macbooks. Now, all they're selling in the laptop style is either the two >> sizes of Macbook Airs, or if you want a full laptop, then the Eluminum >> Macbook Pro. Not that this really per sey is a major issue for newcomers, >> except the price will obviously be more, which leads me to my question. >> >> What about people like myself? I got my macbook back in April. It's not a >> Pro. It's just a stocked white 13 inch. So, God forbid that thing ever >> stops working during my year warranty, but hypotheticly, let's just say that >> it did. I'm not in the least impressed with the Macbook airs. Not even the >> 13 inch model. It's just not at all compreble for what I need. So, don't >> tell me I'd be either forced to get an air, seeing that they're at equal >> price, or pay more to get a Pro. Why should we pay more for something under >> warranty, and furthermore, more for a product replacing the one we already >> have. It's not our falt that they decided to quit making a good product. >> What is Apple's deal lately! First it's the accessibility bugs in Lion, now >> this? I hope my friend's assumption is incorrect, but he clamed he called >> Apple and asked them. >> >> Does anyone know? >> >> Chris. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> F
Re: To the Moderators
Hi Chris, I'm a female. Sent from my iPhone On 28 Jul 2011, at 07:07 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" wrote: > He's probably talking about Mac4theblind. I'm on it, but I almost never post > there. Not because I can't do so, it's just I felt I really wasn't getting > near the help on that list that I have and still am getting on this list. I > don't think that they're many members on the other list, actually. I know > Sarah Alowami's there, and maybe like 10 or 20 others that regularly post. > Trust me, it's really not worth it in my personal opinion. Again though, > that's only my opinion. If you'd like, Ronald, I can try to find the > subscription info for you. I make no guarantees. I know a friend of mine > had to help me with finding the sub info, but again, if you would like to > subscribe, I'll be more than happy to try to figure out the address to do so. > > Aside that list and the VIPhone list, those are the only lists I know of. > Apparently there is also a maccessibility list, but I've never admittedly > tried looking upo the info. > > I'll bet you it's probably on > > maccessibility.net > though. > > You want me to take a look for ya? > > Let me know. glad to help, if I can. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Ronald McEwan" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: To the Moderators > > > So do tell, what is the other list name. > > > In the Journey, > > Ron > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can >> tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about >> anything unless its Mac related. >> >> I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as >> it was stuffy before so I came off it. Its much better than the other list. >> >> Kawal. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: >> >>> Hi Ron: >>> It is very much like a free for all. There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and >>> one moderator, Mark Taylor. There are no guidelines in place, because >>> according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the >>> group was being moderated. Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of >>> alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost >>> anything goes approach has been adopted. >>> Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional >>> ambiance/. But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer >>> the same approach I do.:) >>> >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: >>> Hi, It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all. I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac accessibility but apple in general. I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I am considering leaving the list because of its current direction. Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. In the Journey, Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" gro
A question about nuance voices in Lion
Hi all, I have successfully gotten the Nuance voices to work (like a charm if I may say) in Lion. It even gets the complex tone rules of Thai correct, which is quite a feat! I had one question about the CJK (Chinese, Japanese and Korean) voices. Does anyone have any experience to know whether there's a way for a blind person to know what character one's pulling from the list generated by the Pinyin input? Please write me off list about this question, as I don't want to clutter the list of with technical stuff that's above the novice user's abilities... It's a shame that I'm having to do this, as this list has been one of the best resources for me as a new Mac user. I never thought I'd ever use a mac, and yall have been my best resource. I hate to say this, but I am not going to stand for what has happened in the past while. There was an issue the other night where people's macbooks were running really hot due to a screw-up in the indexing of Spotlight in Lion. Chris did what I don't think I could ever do. He dug and dug and dug until he uprooted a fix that was buried way back in the Unix shell of the OS. He wrote the list to state the fix. Some people wrote saying that it was "ridiculous" to do what he suggested. I'm not going into the "he said, she said" stuff here, but I'm leaving the list because one of my best friends is continually being slandered on list when all he has done is to help with problems with the mac. I'm sorry that I'm resorting to this, but there's nothing that can be said or done. Banning and moderation status won't do a blessed thing with this. Chris and I are both volunteering to leave the list. If you think that I'm just sticking up for "good ole Chrissy", you're mistaken. These opinions are mine. He happens to share them, but I'm writing on my own volition. It's been a pleasure, and this is sad as heck that I'm having to take such drastic measures. Best wishes for the best of futures in Christ, Ben J Bloomgren -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
List Moderator Message To Come Later Today
Hello, All, There have been some interesting posts to the lists and I will address them later today. I am posting this short note so that you know that the lists mods are reading the posts. Make a joyful noise, Today, Ok? Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Logging in with the Sendspace wizard
Hi, Apologies if this has been asked and answered before but I've not managed to find anyone else with this problem. We also checked out Chris' podcast and he didn't mention anything special about logging in. We have the problem that we enter our details into the wizard's connect dialog but nothing happens when we press OK. The only button that's not dimmed in the toolbar is Connect, and when we press it we get the connect dialog again and the same thing happens. We are assuming that the edit fields are first username and then password, but the password field is not identified by VoiceOver as one and nothing seems to indicate that we've typed in it. We are using the "mouse click in the edit field" technique to (hopefully) ensure that we're typing in the right field. We're not seeing any errors or anything, it's just not working. We're using Sendspace Wizard 1.2.15. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Moving Mailboxes to the favorites Bar in Lion?
Wow, thanks, Ricardo! I actually ended up moving the folder to a visible spot, thence moving it eventually to the favorites bar. I'll try the zoom button next time. Teresa On Jul 28, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > I was having the same exact problem you were having with the last mailbox in > my mailbox list until just now. I pressed the zoom button and both the > favorites bar and mailbox I wanted to drag were in in view I guess > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:35 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > > I think the problem I'm having is not knowing when something isn't visible. I > will probably have to get my sighted husband to help me. The folder I want to > move is at the very bottom of the list, about as far away from the favorites > bar as possible. I get a consistent "not in view" message when I try to drag > it, and I can't seem to move it anywhere else, either. > > Thanks, > Teresa > On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:40 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I don't think this makes a difference at all. As long as both the place >> where your marking and dragging are visible on the screen, cursor tracking >> doesn't matter. I just turned cursor tracking off and was able to drag and >> drop a folder to the favorites bar. >> >> hth >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >> www.mobileaccess.org >> >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:32 AM, Shen wrote: >> >> I believe, if your mouse cursor is not set to follow the VoiceOver cursor, >> that you will need to bring it over before using the drag and drop feature. >> So use VO-Command-F5 to bring the mouse pointer to the VoiceOver cursor. >> Then use VO-Comma to mark the item to drag. >> Go to the Favorites bar, and again, move the mouse pointer to the Favorites >> bar. >> To drop the item at the location where the VoiceOver cursor is, press >> VO-Comma. >> If your cursor is on a mailbox, and you want the item dropped to the left of >> that mailbox, press VO-Less Than. >> If you want the item dragged to the right of where your VoiceOver cursor is, >> press VO-Greater Than. >> >> hth >> >> >> On Jul 27, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Eric. Unfortunately, your instructions didn't work either. >>> >>> Teresa >>> On Jul 27, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Eric Caron wrote: >>> Hi Teresa, I had a similar experience trying to move mailboxes to the Favorites bar. I had success when I used the other drop command that is the one that drops the dragged mailbox under the current location you are on. so I picked up my mailbox with VO comma, then went to the Favorites bar interacted it and went to the last mailbox in the list. I then pressed VO shift Period which is really VO greater than. For me for some reason this worked better then VO Period. Hope this helps. Eric Caron On Jul 27, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Hi, all, > > I was able to move one mailbox to the favorites bar. I have about 15 of > them in my mailbox list, and when I try to drag and drop, I either get > "area to drop may be hidden", or "item to be dragged no longer in view". > I've tried full screen and making sure everything else was hidden when > not in full screen mode, but this doesn't seem to make any difference. > > TiA, > Teresa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@go
Re: new member with several questions.
I took it too. Thank God they had a blindemployee who usedVO. We worked together for a year. On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Christopher Peppel wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I took the one-on-one course at the Apple store and it was definitely worth > it. In the store I went to, the folks were very friendly and helpful. It > was probably the best money I spent. > > Chris > On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:11 PM, jim rawls wrote: > >> Hi All, >> My wife and I will be buying a mac pro computer in the next little while. I >> am clueless about where to start to learn the mac with voice over. I have >> been a jaws user on windows computer since the year 2000, but think it is >> time to take the plunge and learn the mac with voice over. So, question. >> Would it help us to get the one to one program offered at the Mac store with >> our purchase? >> My wife is sighted, I am not. >> Second, where can I find the list of commands to use on the Mac? >> Thirdly, is the new lion commands up to learn? >> I can't think f any more things now, but no doubt will, so if you can give >> this clueless potential user of the mac pro some hints on where to start, it >> would be greatly appreciated. >> thanks for your help. >> Jim >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: To the Moderators
John, thanks for the info on these other lists. I definitely will check them out. I don't see any reason to unsub from the other list, but we'll discuss this off list if needed. Just because I don['t post much, it is a resourceful list. I just felt I didn't get very many replies aside from one member and I have his/her e-mail address and skype info, so it's not like I couldn't just call them or write them privately, which is what I've been doing. I'm on Mac4theBlind, but I'm more of a lerker there, none the less. Hope that's OK. If not though, talk to me off list about it as there isn't a need to bore others with that personal part of the list, I'd not think. Anyways, my e-mail address is: clgillan...@gmail.com If that doesn't work, then try me at: cgilla...@carolina.rr.com Either address should reach me just fine. Chris. - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: Re: To the Moderators As the owner of mac4theblind, just to clarify this misconception, the list is intended to be small and low traffic. It gets the job done for those who are subscribed, and there is no pretenses made of it trying to be an alternative to any other list out there. If it doesn't do the job for you, you are more than welcomed to unsubscribe or I can do it for you. As other lists out there, there is the Mac VoiceOver list run through http://www.icanworthisthing.com There is also,as mentioned, the Mac-access list. http://www.mac-access.net There are probably others out there as well, but those come to mind off the top of my head. In time, though, as people become more familiar with Lion, this list will settle down and return more towards the helpful and smooth-running list we are used to being a part of. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: He's probably talking about Mac4theblind. I'm on it, but I almost never post there. Not because I can't do so, it's just I felt I really wasn't getting near the help on that list that I have and still am getting on this list. I don't think that they're many members on the other list, actually. I know Sarah Alowami's there, and maybe like 10 or 20 others that regularly post. Trust me, it's really not worth it in my personal opinion. Again though, that's only my opinion. If you'd like, Ronald, I can try to find the subscription info for you. I make no guarantees. I know a friend of mine had to help me with finding the sub info, but again, if you would like to subscribe, I'll be more than happy to try to figure out the address to do so. Aside that list and the VIPhone list, those are the only lists I know of. Apparently there is also a maccessibility list, but I've never admittedly tried looking upo the info. I'll bet you it's probably on maccessibility.net though. You want me to take a look for ya? Let me know. glad to help, if I can. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Ronald McEwan" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:47 PM Subject: Re: To the Moderators So do tell, what is the other list name. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about anything unless its Mac related. I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as it was stuffy before so I came off it. Its much better than the other list. Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Ron: It is very much like a free for all. There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and one moderator, Mark Taylor. There are no guidelines in place, because according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the group was being moderated. Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost anything goes approach has been adopted. Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional ambiance/. But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer the same approach I do.:) Take care CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: Hi, It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all. I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac accessibility but apple in general. I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I am considering leaving the list because of its current direction. Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. In the Journey, Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group,
Re:
Sorry Ron, your e-mail appears to be blank aside from your signature. Please try again. Have a great day. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Ronald McEwan" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:14 PM In the Journey, Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: To the Moderators
As the owner of mac4theblind, just to clarify this misconception, the list is intended to be small and low traffic. It gets the job done for those who are subscribed, and there is no pretenses made of it trying to be an alternative to any other list out there. If it doesn't do the job for you, you are more than welcomed to unsubscribe or I can do it for you. As other lists out there, there is the Mac VoiceOver list run through http://www.icanworthisthing.com There is also,as mentioned, the Mac-access list. http://www.mac-access.net There are probably others out there as well, but those come to mind off the top of my head. In time, though, as people become more familiar with Lion, this list will settle down and return more towards the helpful and smooth-running list we are used to being a part of. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > He's probably talking about Mac4theblind. I'm on it, but I almost never post > there. Not because I can't do so, it's just I felt I really wasn't getting > near the help on that list that I have and still am getting on this list. I > don't think that they're many members on the other list, actually. I know > Sarah Alowami's there, and maybe like 10 or 20 others that regularly post. > Trust me, it's really not worth it in my personal opinion. Again though, > that's only my opinion. If you'd like, Ronald, I can try to find the > subscription info for you. I make no guarantees. I know a friend of mine > had to help me with finding the sub info, but again, if you would like to > subscribe, I'll be more than happy to try to figure out the address to do so. > > Aside that list and the VIPhone list, those are the only lists I know of. > Apparently there is also a maccessibility list, but I've never admittedly > tried looking upo the info. > > I'll bet you it's probably on > > maccessibility.net > though. > > You want me to take a look for ya? > > Let me know. glad to help, if I can. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Ronald McEwan" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: To the Moderators > > > So do tell, what is the other list name. > > > In the Journey, > > Ron > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can >> tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about >> anything unless its Mac related. >> >> I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as >> it was stuffy before so I came off it. Its much better than the other list. >> >> Kawal. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: >> >>> Hi Ron: >>> It is very much like a free for all. There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and >>> one moderator, Mark Taylor. There are no guidelines in place, because >>> according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the >>> group was being moderated. Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of >>> alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost >>> anything goes approach has been adopted. >>> Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional >>> ambiance/. But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer >>> the same approach I do.:) >>> >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: >>> Hi, It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all. I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac accessibility but apple in general. I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I am considering leaving the list because of its current direction. Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. In the Journey, Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message b
Re: semi-pro list
Hi Courtney: By semiprofessional, I mean a list where there is even and decent exchange of questions and resources, and ideas, and not the narcissistic ego-driven chest-pounding nonsense and blubbering about what everyone else is doing wrong. I would like to haves a list Where people are treated with respect, and you don't have to read about the trouble someone went through to spoon feed you the fix for your problem, or how great someone thinks his own podcast is, or how badly someone think Apple is doing. In short, stuff that matters to members one and mostly all. That's my vision. Carolyn On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > I'm just curious, what do you mean by "simi professional"? > Thanks, Courtney > On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> So sorry to see you leave us. Indeed, let me go further. I'm sorry to see >> the former quality of this list degenerated in to something that, to speak >> frankly, it has no business being. It certainly was not this way when I >> first came on board. To speak candidly, it would appear that certain people >> get very agitated when Apple, (or for that matter anybody else) doesn't >> respond immediately to them and solve all their problems like the world >> revolts around them. No Chris, I'm not picking on you particularly; though >> it may perhaps seem otherwise. Look, let's face facts. We al of us are >> trying to get used to this new beast we find under our hoods. Some of us >> like it and others have issues. Frankly, it seems to me that emotions are >> running rather too high to suit the circumstances. I'm remaining though. >> Why? Simple. I know that, eventually, this too shall pass and the list >> will return to normal. At least, that sure better happen. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >> >> Skype name: >> barefootedray >> >> Facebook: >> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >> >> >> >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:16 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: >> >>> Hello list members: >>> I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here. I'm Carolyn, >>> a former moderator of the group. >>> When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of >>> people had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations >>> were just too stringent, and pushing people away. >>> I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is. I'm considering >>> starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like >>> to know if there's any others interested in such. >>> >>> If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried. >>> >>> My email is chaas0...@gmail.com. Please only interested people respond, as >>> I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:) >>> >>> Take care, and thank you for reading. >>> Carolyn >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Re: To the Moderators
OK, that probably explains why I've never heard of the list, being I'm not from the UK. LOL! Like I say, it's ok, I get enough good resourceful help here, so no need to bother joining another list for now at least. :) Take care. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:53 PM Subject: Re: To the Moderators Mac Access UK. I think that Anne Robertson is the moderator but I might be wrong. Sent from my iPhone On 28 Jul 2011, at 06:47 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote: So do tell, what is the other list name. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about anything unless its Mac related. I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as it was stuffy before so I came off it. Its much better than the other list. Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Ron: It is very much like a free for all. There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and one moderator, Mark Taylor. There are no guidelines in place, because according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the group was being moderated. Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost anything goes approach has been adopted. Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional ambiance/. But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer the same approach I do.:) Take care CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: Hi, It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all. I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac accessibility but apple in general. I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I am considering leaving the list because of its current direction. Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. In the Journey, Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: To the Moderators
He's probably talking about Mac4theblind. I'm on it, but I almost never post there. Not because I can't do so, it's just I felt I really wasn't getting near the help on that list that I have and still am getting on this list. I don't think that they're many members on the other list, actually. I know Sarah Alowami's there, and maybe like 10 or 20 others that regularly post. Trust me, it's really not worth it in my personal opinion. Again though, that's only my opinion. If you'd like, Ronald, I can try to find the subscription info for you. I make no guarantees. I know a friend of mine had to help me with finding the sub info, but again, if you would like to subscribe, I'll be more than happy to try to figure out the address to do so. Aside that list and the VIPhone list, those are the only lists I know of. Apparently there is also a maccessibility list, but I've never admittedly tried looking upo the info. I'll bet you it's probably on maccessibility.net though. You want me to take a look for ya? Let me know. glad to help, if I can. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Ronald McEwan" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:47 PM Subject: Re: To the Moderators So do tell, what is the other list name. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about anything unless its Mac related. I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as it was stuffy before so I came off it. Its much better than the other list. Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Ron: It is very much like a free for all. There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and one moderator, Mark Taylor. There are no guidelines in place, because according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the group was being moderated. Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost anything goes approach has been adopted. Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional ambiance/. But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer the same approach I do.:) Take care CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: Hi, It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all. I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac accessibility but apple in general. I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I am considering leaving the list because of its current direction. Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. In the Journey, Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: To the Moderators
Mac Access UK. I think that Anne Robertson is the moderator but I might be wrong. Sent from my iPhone On 28 Jul 2011, at 06:47 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote: > So do tell, what is the other list name. > > > In the Journey, > > Ron > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can >> tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about >> anything unless its Mac related. >> >> I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as >> it was stuffy before so I came off it. Its much better than the other list. >> >> Kawal. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: >> >>> Hi Ron: >>> It is very much like a free for all. There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and >>> one moderator, Mark Taylor. There are no guidelines in place, because >>> according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the >>> group was being moderated. Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of >>> alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost >>> anything goes approach has been adopted. >>> Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional >>> ambiance/. But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer >>> the same approach I do.:) >>> >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: >>> Hi, It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all. I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac accessibility but apple in general. I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I am considering leaving the list because of its current direction. Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. In the Journey, Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: To the Moderators
So do tell, what is the other list name. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > Hi. > > If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can > tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about > anything unless its Mac related. > > I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as > it was stuffy before so I came off it. Its much better than the other list. > > Kawal. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > >> Hi Ron: >> It is very much like a free for all. There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and >> one moderator, Mark Taylor. There are no guidelines in place, because >> according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the >> group was being moderated. Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of >> alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost >> anything goes approach has been adopted. >> Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional >> ambiance/. But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer >> the same approach I do.:) >> >> >> Take care >> >> CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all. >>> I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac >>> accessibility but apple in general. >>> >>> I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted >>> input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I >>> am considering leaving the list because of its current direction. >>> >>> Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. >>> >>> >>> >>> In the Journey, >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: To the Moderators
Hi. If you like strictness, you should subscribe to the other Mac list and I can tell you that there are so many guide lines, you can't not talk about anything unless its Mac related. I quit that list and am glad for this list and the relaxed aproach it has as it was stuffy before so I came off it. Its much better than the other list. Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 28 Jul 2011, at 04:52 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > Hi Ron: > It is very much like a free for all. There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and > one moderator, Mark Taylor. There are no guidelines in place, because > according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the > group was being moderated. Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of > alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost > anything goes approach has been adopted. > Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional > ambiance/. But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer > the same approach I do.:) > > > Take care > > CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all. >> I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac >> accessibility but apple in general. >> >> I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input >> from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I am >> considering leaving the list because of its current direction. >> >> Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. >> >> >> >> In the Journey, >> >> Ron >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: semi-pro list
Chris, Here is how to set up filters but I serously doubt you will block her because that would mean you wouldn't have the chance to blast her again. Go into preferences and set up a rule to send any mail from a given user to trash. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Carolyn, the only reasobn your mail got through was because I do not know yet > how to set filters up on the mac side of things, however, I need to clear up > something. I highly disagree with a lot of the things you've done when you > were a mod, no doubt, but let's get something straight here, I don't know > about others, but, me personally, I do, not, hate you! I hate the way you > handle the list, yes, but I do not, never have and never will! hate you as a > person. And if it came across as such hince your term, quote: hate mail, > then I profusely apologize. I never meant to come across that way, but I > think all of us would agree we don't hate you, so please don't be so hard on > yourself. YOu tried. That's the important thing. The fact you realized the > moderation wasn't working, and vollenteered on your own part to step down > took a lot of courage to do, and for that you should be commedned. You saw > it wasn't working, so in my view you did the right thing. > > Though I am not interested in your new list, I had to say this, as you > deserve to know you're at least not hated. Hate is such a strong word. I > think truely the only persons I hate are my x-wife and maybe one person in my > family. LOL! As if anyone cared to know that. :) > > Take care, and God bless. > > Chris. > On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:16 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > >> Hello list members: >> I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here. I'm Carolyn, >> a former moderator of the group. >> When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of people >> had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations were >> just too stringent, and pushing people away. >> I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is. I'm considering >> starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like >> to know if there's any others interested in such. >> >> If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried. >> >> My email is chaas0...@gmail.com. Please only interested people respond, as >> I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:) >> >> Take care, and thank you for reading. >> Carolyn >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: semi-pro list
Hey Ray: Don't give me the shove-off quite yet, unless of course, it happens anyhow.:) Clearly, the style of no management is preferable for some people. But, I too long for a list related to things Apple, access, and not ego driven. Take care Carolyn On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > So sorry to see you leave us. Indeed, let me go further. I'm sorry to see > the former quality of this list degenerated in to something that, to speak > frankly, it has no business being. It certainly was not this way when I > first came on board. To speak candidly, it would appear that certain people > get very agitated when Apple, (or for that matter anybody else) doesn't > respond immediately to them and solve all their problems like the world > revolts around them. No Chris, I'm not picking on you particularly; though > it may perhaps seem otherwise. Look, let's face facts. We al of us are > trying to get used to this new beast we find under our hoods. Some of us > like it and others have issues. Frankly, it seems to me that emotions are > running rather too high to suit the circumstances. I'm remaining though. > Why? Simple. I know that, eventually, this too shall pass and the list will > return to normal. At least, that sure better happen. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:16 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: > >> Hello list members: >> I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here. I'm Carolyn, >> a former moderator of the group. >> When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of people >> had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations were >> just too stringent, and pushing people away. >> I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is. I'm considering >> starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like >> to know if there's any others interested in such. >> >> If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried. >> >> My email is chaas0...@gmail.com. Please only interested people respond, as >> I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:) >> >> Take care, and thank you for reading. >> Carolyn >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
In data Giovedì 28 Luglio 2011 17.11.33, Krister Ekstrom ha scritto: Ok, i may be naive to the point of stupidness here, but i hope and pray to God that we will be free from scripting on the VO platform. As you wish. What I need to have done is automatic reading of incoming messages in skype active chat window. Right now, if I want to read incoming chat messages, I need to move VO cursor, then I have to interact with the HTML content, then I have to move to the last message. In alternative, I have to unlink VO cursor from the system focus and still I am not able to have incoming messages read automatically. I need to enter commands. I need to know if a paragraph contains footnotes and endnotes reference; and, if it does and if I want, I should be able to read the note's content without leaving the document text area. When in a spreadsheet, I need to define monitor cells on a document base; when navigating the cells, I need to know if a cell content is a constant or the result of a formula again without leaving the spreadsheet itself. JAWS, Orca, NVDA, Windows eyes to are scriptable. And it is a very powerfull feature. If you want to use that feature, well, it is there; if you do not want, just don't. If something is there, you can choose if you want to use it or not; if a feature is not available... Yes, I know, you can control VO using Apple Script. But there are some limitations and they are major limitations too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: semi-pro list
Hi, I'm just curious, what do you mean by "simi professional"? Thanks, Courtney On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > So sorry to see you leave us. Indeed, let me go further. I'm sorry to see > the former quality of this list degenerated in to something that, to speak > frankly, it has no business being. It certainly was not this way when I > first came on board. To speak candidly, it would appear that certain people > get very agitated when Apple, (or for that matter anybody else) doesn't > respond immediately to them and solve all their problems like the world > revolts around them. No Chris, I'm not picking on you particularly; though > it may perhaps seem otherwise. Look, let's face facts. We al of us are > trying to get used to this new beast we find under our hoods. Some of us > like it and others have issues. Frankly, it seems to me that emotions are > running rather too high to suit the circumstances. I'm remaining though. > Why? Simple. I know that, eventually, this too shall pass and the list will > return to normal. At least, that sure better happen. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:16 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: > >> Hello list members: >> I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here. I'm Carolyn, >> a former moderator of the group. >> When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of people >> had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations were >> just too stringent, and pushing people away. >> I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is. I'm considering >> starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like >> to know if there's any others interested in such. >> >> If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried. >> >> My email is chaas0...@gmail.com. Please only interested people respond, as >> I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:) >> >> Take care, and thank you for reading. >> Carolyn >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: semi-pro list
Rose, I couldn't have said things better had I wanted to! Thanks for the comments. Greatly appreciate them. Chris. On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Rose Morales wrote: > Hi all, > I've been on this list for a long time, and though I've been very quiet, I've > not neglected it. I've been watching this list pretty much every day. I've > not said much because I have no questions to ask and nothing really to say. > My belief is that if you have nothing upbuilding to say on a list, just don't > say it. And I try to stick by that. But now I think it's time to chime in > here, because I've seen a lot of negative posts lately. I'm hoping I can > bring some balance. > > Guys, I don't think Carolin intended to start a do you like or hate this list > discussion. Even in the days of Jeff and Cara being the primary mods, they > would suggest that feedback go to them. So I am not writing to contribute my > own thoughts along this line. Yeah, there are negative things I could say > too, but think about this. Are your negative comments really helping anyone? > Sure you might find others who agree with you, but it's only causing > division. If you guys have a problem with this list, do your part to be an > example. Be what you want other list members to be like. When people join a > list, they observe how others post and decide how they will proceed based on > said posts. The more high quality posts there are here, the more likely it > will be that other people will find themselves posting using the same conduct > and standards. THe more high quality posts they see, the more they'll want to > post and contribute. > > I hope I've given you all some food for thought. > Rose > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> I agree with Ray. The list will eventually return. >> >> Also, Ray, I never suspected you were picking on me directly. You said >> nothing in your mail to indicate such. Don't worry about it, my friend, you >> took a stance in saying what you felt, and that's ok. It's your right. >> Even if you were picking on me, I would not have liked you doing so on list, >> but reality is, it's your right. >> >> Chris. >> >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> So sorry to see you leave us. Indeed, let me go further. I'm sorry to see >>> the former quality of this list degenerated in to something that, to speak >>> frankly, it has no business being. It certainly was not this way when I >>> first came on board. To speak candidly, it would appear that certain >>> people get very agitated when Apple, (or for that matter anybody else) >>> doesn't respond immediately to them and solve all their problems like the >>> world revolts around them. No Chris, I'm not picking on you particularly; >>> though it may perhaps seem otherwise. Look, let's face facts. We al of us >>> are trying to get used to this new beast we find under our hoods. Some of >>> us like it and others have issues. Frankly, it seems to me that emotions >>> are running rather too high to suit the circumstances. I'm remaining >>> though. Why? Simple. I know that, eventually, this too shall pass and >>> the list will return to normal. At least, that sure better happen. >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>> >>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>> >>> Skype name: >>> barefootedray >>> >>> Facebook: >>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:16 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: >>> Hello list members: I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here. I'm Carolyn, a former moderator of the group. When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of people had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations were just too stringent, and pushing people away. I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is. I'm considering starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like to know if there's any others interested in such. If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried. My email is chaas0...@gmail.com. Please only interested people respond, as I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:) Take care, and thank you for reading. Carolyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionarie
Re: semi-pro list
Hi all, I've been on this list for a long time, and though I've been very quiet, I've not neglected it. I've been watching this list pretty much every day. I've not said much because I have no questions to ask and nothing really to say. My belief is that if you have nothing upbuilding to say on a list, just don't say it. And I try to stick by that. But now I think it's time to chime in here, because I've seen a lot of negative posts lately. I'm hoping I can bring some balance. Guys, I don't think Carolin intended to start a do you like or hate this list discussion. Even in the days of Jeff and Cara being the primary mods, they would suggest that feedback go to them. So I am not writing to contribute my own thoughts along this line. Yeah, there are negative things I could say too, but think about this. Are your negative comments really helping anyone? Sure you might find others who agree with you, but it's only causing division. If you guys have a problem with this list, do your part to be an example. Be what you want other list members to be like. When people join a list, they observe how others post and decide how they will proceed based on said posts. The more high quality posts there are here, the more likely it will be that other people will find themselves posting using the same conduct and standards. THe more high quality posts they see, the more they'll want to post and contribute. I hope I've given you all some food for thought. Rose On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > I agree with Ray. The list will eventually return. > > Also, Ray, I never suspected you were picking on me directly. You said > nothing in your mail to indicate such. Don't worry about it, my friend, you > took a stance in saying what you felt, and that's ok. It's your right. Even > if you were picking on me, I would not have liked you doing so on list, but > reality is, it's your right. > > Chris. > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> So sorry to see you leave us. Indeed, let me go further. I'm sorry to see >> the former quality of this list degenerated in to something that, to speak >> frankly, it has no business being. It certainly was not this way when I >> first came on board. To speak candidly, it would appear that certain people >> get very agitated when Apple, (or for that matter anybody else) doesn't >> respond immediately to them and solve all their problems like the world >> revolts around them. No Chris, I'm not picking on you particularly; though >> it may perhaps seem otherwise. Look, let's face facts. We al of us are >> trying to get used to this new beast we find under our hoods. Some of us >> like it and others have issues. Frankly, it seems to me that emotions are >> running rather too high to suit the circumstances. I'm remaining though. >> Why? Simple. I know that, eventually, this too shall pass and the list >> will return to normal. At least, that sure better happen. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >> >> Skype name: >> barefootedray >> >> Facebook: >> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >> >> >> >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:16 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: >> >>> Hello list members: >>> I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here. I'm Carolyn, >>> a former moderator of the group. >>> When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of >>> people had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations >>> were just too stringent, and pushing people away. >>> I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is. I'm considering >>> starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like >>> to know if there's any others interested in such. >>> >>> If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried. >>> >>> My email is chaas0...@gmail.com. Please only interested people respond, as >>> I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:) >>> >>> Take care, and thank you for reading. >>> Carolyn >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: semi-pro list
I agree with Ray. The list will eventually return. Also, Ray, I never suspected you were picking on me directly. You said nothing in your mail to indicate such. Don't worry about it, my friend, you took a stance in saying what you felt, and that's ok. It's your right. Even if you were picking on me, I would not have liked you doing so on list, but reality is, it's your right. Chris. On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > So sorry to see you leave us. Indeed, let me go further. I'm sorry to see > the former quality of this list degenerated in to something that, to speak > frankly, it has no business being. It certainly was not this way when I > first came on board. To speak candidly, it would appear that certain people > get very agitated when Apple, (or for that matter anybody else) doesn't > respond immediately to them and solve all their problems like the world > revolts around them. No Chris, I'm not picking on you particularly; though > it may perhaps seem otherwise. Look, let's face facts. We al of us are > trying to get used to this new beast we find under our hoods. Some of us > like it and others have issues. Frankly, it seems to me that emotions are > running rather too high to suit the circumstances. I'm remaining though. > Why? Simple. I know that, eventually, this too shall pass and the list will > return to normal. At least, that sure better happen. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:16 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: > >> Hello list members: >> I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here. I'm Carolyn, >> a former moderator of the group. >> When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of people >> had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations were >> just too stringent, and pushing people away. >> I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is. I'm considering >> starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like >> to know if there's any others interested in such. >> >> If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried. >> >> My email is chaas0...@gmail.com. Please only interested people respond, as >> I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:) >> >> Take care, and thank you for reading. >> Carolyn >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: semi-pro list
Carolyn, the only reasobn your mail got through was because I do not know yet how to set filters up on the mac side of things, however, I need to clear up something. I highly disagree with a lot of the things you've done when you were a mod, no doubt, but let's get something straight here, I don't know about others, but, me personally, I do, not, hate you! I hate the way you handle the list, yes, but I do not, never have and never will! hate you as a person. And if it came across as such hince your term, quote: hate mail, then I profusely apologize. I never meant to come across that way, but I think all of us would agree we don't hate you, so please don't be so hard on yourself. YOu tried. That's the important thing. The fact you realized the moderation wasn't working, and vollenteered on your own part to step down took a lot of courage to do, and for that you should be commedned. You saw it wasn't working, so in my view you did the right thing. Though I am not interested in your new list, I had to say this, as you deserve to know you're at least not hated. Hate is such a strong word. I think truely the only persons I hate are my x-wife and maybe one person in my family. LOL! As if anyone cared to know that. :) Take care, and God bless. Chris. On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:16 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > Hello list members: > I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here. I'm Carolyn, a > former moderator of the group. > When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of people > had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations were > just too stringent, and pushing people away. > I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is. I'm considering > starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like > to know if there's any others interested in such. > > If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried. > > My email is chaas0...@gmail.com. Please only interested people respond, as > I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:) > > Take care, and thank you for reading. > Carolyn > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: semi-pro list
That would be a good idea. I've only been on this list since april, it started out very great, and now it seems like some foks are just getting angry at one thing after another. sent from my macbook pro On 2011-07-28, at 12:16 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > Hello list members: > I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here. I'm Carolyn, a > former moderator of the group. > When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of people > had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations were > just too stringent, and pushing people away. > I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is. I'm considering > starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like > to know if there's any others interested in such. > > If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried. > > My email is chaas0...@gmail.com. Please only interested people respond, as > I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:) > > Take care, and thank you for reading. > Carolyn > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: semi-pro list
So sorry to see you leave us. Indeed, let me go further. I'm sorry to see the former quality of this list degenerated in to something that, to speak frankly, it has no business being. It certainly was not this way when I first came on board. To speak candidly, it would appear that certain people get very agitated when Apple, (or for that matter anybody else) doesn't respond immediately to them and solve all their problems like the world revolts around them. No Chris, I'm not picking on you particularly; though it may perhaps seem otherwise. Look, let's face facts. We al of us are trying to get used to this new beast we find under our hoods. Some of us like it and others have issues. Frankly, it seems to me that emotions are running rather too high to suit the circumstances. I'm remaining though. Why? Simple. I know that, eventually, this too shall pass and the list will return to normal. At least, that sure better happen. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:16 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: > Hello list members: > I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here. I'm Carolyn, a > former moderator of the group. > When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of people > had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations were > just too stringent, and pushing people away. > I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is. I'm considering > starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like > to know if there's any others interested in such. > > If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried. > > My email is chaas0...@gmail.com. Please only interested people respond, as > I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:) > > Take care, and thank you for reading. > Carolyn > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: a question about signitures
Hi matt, it looks like it worked. Thanks much. sent from my macbook pro On 2011-07-28, at 12:12 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > Hey Matt. > What you have to do is select the account in the left table and then scroll > over and hit the add button. > Next, you will be in a text box where you can type the name of the signature > so call it what ever you want. > Finally, go over to the text field and type what you want the signature to > say. > Let me know if this doesn't work because I just tried it my self. > Matthew Campbell. > > On 2011-07-28, at 12:03 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote: > >> I have a question about signatures. How would i go about creating one and >> making it my default signature? The dialog is a bit strange. >> Thanks >> Matt >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
semi-pro list
Hello list members: I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here. I'm Carolyn, a former moderator of the group. When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of people had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations were just too stringent, and pushing people away. I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is. I'm considering starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like to know if there's any others interested in such. If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried. My email is chaas0...@gmail.com. Please only interested people respond, as I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:) Take care, and thank you for reading. Carolyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: a question about signitures
Hey Matt. What you have to do is select the account in the left table and then scroll over and hit the add button. Next, you will be in a text box where you can type the name of the signature so call it what ever you want. Finally, go over to the text field and type what you want the signature to say. Let me know if this doesn't work because I just tried it my self. Matthew Campbell. On 2011-07-28, at 12:03 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote: > I have a question about signatures. How would i go about creating one and > making it my default signature? The dialog is a bit strange. > Thanks > Matt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Resolved strange problem with folders
Hi Carolyn, Thank you for that, I am able to expand the folders by hitting right arrow. i didn't know that was possible. I'm so used to using command O. Thank you, Carolyn. Allison My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: a question about an app for the IPhone
its for recording video and audio for on location broadcasting i think. On 2011-07-28, at 12:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > What does Ver Recorder do? Seeing I do a lot of stuff with Radio in general, > maybe it would be worth me looking into. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Matt Dierckens" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 12:02 PM > Subject: a question about an app for the IPhone > > > Hi all. > The college that I am going to in september for radio broadcasting is asking > us to purchase an app called ver recorder. Does anyone know if this is > accessible? I emailed the support team and they had no idea what voice over > was, so I tried to explain it to them. I just don't want to be wasting my > money on an app that i can either get alternatives for or find a better > solution. > Thanks in advance. > Matt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: a question about an app for the IPhone
What does Ver Recorder do? Seeing I do a lot of stuff with Radio in general, maybe it would be worth me looking into. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Matt Dierckens" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 12:02 PM Subject: a question about an app for the IPhone Hi all. The college that I am going to in september for radio broadcasting is asking us to purchase an app called ver recorder. Does anyone know if this is accessible? I emailed the support team and they had no idea what voice over was, so I tried to explain it to them. I just don't want to be wasting my money on an app that i can either get alternatives for or find a better solution. Thanks in advance. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
a question about signitures
I have a question about signatures. How would i go about creating one and making it my default signature? The dialog is a bit strange. Thanks Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
a question about an app for the IPhone
Hi all. The college that I am going to in september for radio broadcasting is asking us to purchase an app called ver recorder. Does anyone know if this is accessible? I emailed the support team and they had no idea what voice over was, so I tried to explain it to them. I just don't want to be wasting my money on an app that i can either get alternatives for or find a better solution. Thanks in advance. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Hi Chris! I'm not a mod either! And I'm not religious but there might be users on the list that are and probably to polite to say something! And if I get into trouble for this [so be it! ] You might be angry or some other bad words but mind this is a international list and some of those people take there beliefs seriously so put your views across by all means but choose your words more carefully! So now you can block me if you like! Colin On 28 Jul 2011, at 16:41, Daniel Miller wrote: > Chris, > > I'm not a moderator, but I feel I should ask you nicely to calm down. All > we're trying to do is give you informed suggestions as to what you could do > in the event that Apple for some reason won't service your computer. > I highly doubt they won't service it, seeing as it's still being sold to > schools and such, but you may want to look into calling them or checking the > website for that info. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark > Gilland > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:34 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves. > > Good Jesus H Christ guys! Give me a break for god sake! I wasn't > speculating! I asked what they would do, no more no less. > > If all you all think I do is complain, maybe I should leave the list. I'm > trying to help and ask educated questions, but it seems it's not worth me > waisting my time. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tim Kilburn" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves. > > > Hi, > > In addition to jeff's comments, it's not worth speculating on what Apple may > > or may not do if your MacBook crashed. Suggesting that they'll make you pay > > extra money for a Pro or make you accept a MBA as a replacement is > inaccurate speculation. Giving them a bad wrap for something that hasn't > even happened or may not even be close to the truth is unfair. Wait and see > > what they do if the situation arises then either comment or praise. > > Later. > > On 2011-07-28, at 8:32 AM, Geoff Shang wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> It's true that the MacBook is no longer being sold to regular consumers. >> But it's still being sold to educational institutions. As such, it's >> still being manufactured. So I'd expect it will still be possible to get >> your MacBook serviced for the foreseeable future. >> >> Geoff. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: To the Moderators
Hi Ron: It is very much like a free for all. There is one owner, Cara, Quinn and one moderator, Mark Taylor. There are no guidelines in place, because according to Mark Taylor there were hundreds of complaints about how the group was being moderated. Therefore, in the interest of those hundreds of alleged complaints and the people who made them, a very positive, almost anything goes approach has been adopted. Personally, I would prefer a more guided approach, with a semi-professional ambiance/. But, I'm just a list member now, and I guess most don't prefer the same approach I do.:) Take care CarolynOn Jul 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: > Hi, > > It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all. > I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac > accessibility but apple in general. > > I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input > from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I am > considering leaving the list because of its current direction. > > Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. > > > > In the Journey, > > Ron > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Chris, I'm not a moderator, but I feel I should ask you nicely to calm down. All we're trying to do is give you informed suggestions as to what you could do in the event that Apple for some reason won't service your computer. I highly doubt they won't service it, seeing as it's still being sold to schools and such, but you may want to look into calling them or checking the website for that info. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:34 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves. Good Jesus H Christ guys! Give me a break for god sake! I wasn't speculating! I asked what they would do, no more no less. If all you all think I do is complain, maybe I should leave the list. I'm trying to help and ask educated questions, but it seems it's not worth me waisting my time. - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves. Hi, In addition to jeff's comments, it's not worth speculating on what Apple may or may not do if your MacBook crashed. Suggesting that they'll make you pay extra money for a Pro or make you accept a MBA as a replacement is inaccurate speculation. Giving them a bad wrap for something that hasn't even happened or may not even be close to the truth is unfair. Wait and see what they do if the situation arises then either comment or praise. Later. On 2011-07-28, at 8:32 AM, Geoff Shang wrote: > Hi, > > It's true that the MacBook is no longer being sold to regular consumers. > But it's still being sold to educational institutions. As such, it's > still being manufactured. So I'd expect it will still be possible to get > your MacBook serviced for the foreseeable future. > > Geoff. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Using gmail web interface
Hi Garth! Yes it's that annoying brit again! :] Well I hope this is not to much info! So I noticed you said about quick nav select [up\down] and that reminded me that you can select how quick nav navigates with up\right arrows together this will go through the same options that are listed under vo+u! So if qn is on headers up\right arrows will change it to links! >From then on if you down arrow you will go through each link and get to the >sign out link that way! Of course up\left will take you through the options the other way! Now for the track pad I found doing a 1 finger flick to the right also took me through each link and got me to the sign out link OK! If this does not work on the Mac you are trying out it might be that the mouse cursor is not following the vo cursor in settings! I'm new to the track pad myself so as yet do not know the right command to select an item using the track pad! Hope this was not to boring and you are still awake! Colin On 28 Jul 2011, at 14:19, Garth Humphreys wrote: > Hi Colin > > Thanks for the response. I can understand your directions. I will try the VO > + U option tomorrow when in store. > > When I tried it last time, I was able to find my name on the web interface. > The Apple rep could see on screen that the sign out link came up on screen > when I selected the link with my name however neither of us could get VO to > then go to the sign out link. BTW I tried both VO+space and the quick nav > up / down arrows to select the my name link. > > Apart from this issue I found that it was really natural to be able to > navigate the web with the track pad commander but there is also a lot that > will take some getting use to. > > Thanks > Garth > > On 28/07/2011, at 10:40 PM, "Red.Falcon" > wrote: > >> Hi Garth! >> OK when on the gmail screen and it should say something like your email and >> under that options! >> When sitting on your email link just press vo+space! >> This should bring you to where you can check your settings and other things >> like your profile! >> You should find the sign out link there as well! >> You could also use the web rota open with [vo+u and depending on what it is >> set on like headers for example you can right arrow until it says links! >> So sitting on the table of links if then you type s and i the choice's will >> narrow down to just a few options one of which should be sign out! >> So down arrow to that link on the list and press vo+space and that will >> select that link and vo+space and then you will be signed out! >> There is also if you do not want to try the rota just yet after pressing on >> your email just arrow until you get to that sign out link and once again >> vo+space on it! >> hopefully this was not to confusing and it works for you! >> Colin >> >> On 28 Jul 2011, at 01:18, Garth Humphreys wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Garth >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> From: Garth Humphreys Date: 28 July 2011 10:12:23 AM AEST To: "viph...@googlegroups.com" Subject: Using gmail web interface Hi I still have not taken the plunge and bought a Mac however have been playing with one at our local Apple store. I logged into my gmail account in store and found that I couldn't work out how to log out. The apple rep in store was helping me and advised that there was a menu that dropped down under my name which allows log out but we could not work out how to get to it with VO on. In the end I just got the rep to log out for me. I am sure this is very easy to do but I just couldn't work it out. As I don't even have a Mac yet, I am obviously very inexperienced at using the Mac. Garth >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because yo
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Good Jesus H Christ guys! Give me a break for god sake! I wasn't speculating! I asked what they would do, no more no less. If all you all think I do is complain, maybe I should leave the list. I'm trying to help and ask educated questions, but it seems it's not worth me waisting my time. - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves. Hi, In addition to jeff's comments, it's not worth speculating on what Apple may or may not do if your MacBook crashed. Suggesting that they'll make you pay extra money for a Pro or make you accept a MBA as a replacement is inaccurate speculation. Giving them a bad wrap for something that hasn't even happened or may not even be close to the truth is unfair. Wait and see what they do if the situation arises then either comment or praise. Later… On 2011-07-28, at 8:32 AM, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, It's true that the MacBook is no longer being sold to regular consumers. But it's still being sold to educational institutions. As such, it's still being manufactured. So I'd expect it will still be possible to get your MacBook serviced for the foreseeable future. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: To the Moderators
I too am just about ready to unsubscribe. Lately the quantity of low-quality posts has increased dramatically which has the unfortunate side-effect of making it difficult to find the quality posts. I've actually added a mail rule to automatically send one particular high-volume poster's messages directly to the trash. Again, perhaps I'm just a grumpy old guy who is living in the past where there was a standard email list etiquette that was known, followed, and enforced by Mods and Members alike. Perhaps the new way of doing things is more akin to Facebook where some people need to tell the world every time they've passed wind, and other people need to thank them publicly for sharing. If that is going to be the new reality going forward on this list, I'd appreciate if the Mods would make that publicly known. Cheers, Bryan On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: > It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all. > I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac > accessibility but apple in general. > > I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input > from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I am > considering leaving the list because of its current direction. > > Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: strange behavior with Lion
Hi Shen: I did have this experience---However, mine was only during the process of installing Lion. During that time, a very dreadful, poor-sounding voice with almost indiscernible speech would respond to my keystrokes. I couldn't budge volume at that point either. I was afraid Alex had been severely disfigured, and started wondering how I'd get Snow leopard back. Fortunately, once the install was complete, and the computer restarted twice, Alex was back in good form, and the volume keys worked as usual. At the time, I just assumed it had to do with install, and allowing for speech with minimal disruption to the system during installation. Beyond that, I'm clueless why volume should be acting out. Carolyn On Jul 28, 2011, at 1:26 AM, Shen wrote: > So I came home today and thought I do some things on my MacBook Pro, > such as checking email and browse the internet. > The Mac booted up, I logged in, everything works fine except my volume > controls, F11 and F12 don't work. I checked everything and confirmed > that everything on my keyboard works. Even Fn plus F11 and F12 work > just fine. I thought perhaps it's my BlueTooth keyboard acting up. > Keep in mind this never happened with Snow Leopard. > I reached over to the built-in keyboard in my MacBook Pro. No dice! > F11 and F12 just refuse to work. > OK, I thought perhaps the machine needs a restart. Even though it has > just been booted up after being off the entire day. I'll give it the > benefit of the doubt. > I restarted my machine, got to the log in window, provided my > credentials, and logged in. After reaching the Desktop, I tried the > volume keys again. Still, they didn't work. This was the most puzzling > thing to me. Of all the things not to work, it's the volume controls. > I was able to use VO-M to open the status menu and check the system > volume. According to the status menu, the System volume is set to > 100-percent. I know it's not because it would distort my speakers. I > tried using the arrow keys to adjust the volume in the status menu. It > wouldn't budge. It stayed at 100-percent. Is that weird or not? > OK, this time, I decided to give it the cold restart, turning it > completely off, then on. > After restarting a second time, my volume controls came back. > Before any of you question me whether I have a functioning keyboard or > not, let me end this message by tell ing you that this has never > happened before when I was running Snow Leopard. And come to think of > it, a similar incident happened last week, a couple of days after > installing Lion. But since I was in the process of rebooting,I didn't > bother to stop and investigate. That time, everything did not work > except for the volume buttons. After restarting, everything came back > to normal so I didn't think much of it. > > So has anyone experienced this before? > Does anyone have any guesses whether this is just a glitch in Lion, > having upgraded from Snow Leopard? Will a clean install of Lion get > rid of these little annoyances? > > > > -- > Shen > goalb...@gmail.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Hi, Instead of listening to what someone told you, you might have been better served just to look on the Apple website. The Macbook air starts at the same $1000 the white macbook did. And its faster, does have a built in mic and web cam, and you can get up to a 250 GB ssd installed. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: No optical drive, and not enough HD space are the two deal breakers for me. Plus the guy at my local Apple store said if the O S crashes I have to send it in for repair, as with no optical drive there is no way to restore the O S yourself. When I pointed out a U S B CD drive, he said in theory you'd think that would work, but it won't boot frm a U S B CD drive. He said even going into open firmware and configuring things wouldn't do it. Finally, he said no microphone nor eyesite web cam, which for me is enough major dealbreaker. I dono if I trust the credibility of any of this, but if that all is true, then, gag me with a spoon! Not only this, but $700 less than a MBP? this guy told me that the two models of MBA's ran for $1200 each. Again, I am not saying that I necessarily believe all of this, but if it's true, then, ee, gacks! Chris. - Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:59 AM Subject: RE: Apple may have done a number on themselves. > Hi Chris, > > You're right about them not selling the white MacBook as of the release of > Lion. However, we don't know the reasons behind the decision, and they could > possibly come out with something that meets your needs. I'm confused, > though, what makes the MacBook Air unimpressive in your eyes? It runs just > as fast, if not faster than the MacBook Pros, for $700 less. The only thing > you don't get is a traditional hard drive, which will end up solving a lot > of drive failure problems anyway since there are no physical read heads to > be damaged. I admit, the amount of storage you get in the entry level model > is lesser than I'd want ideally, keep in mind the cost to manufacture solid > state storage is astronomical. You also don't get an optical drive, but > that's only $79.99 as an add-on. > As far as the Lion accessibility issues, give apple time to fix things. No > dot 0 release is always perfect. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark > Gilland > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 8:41 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Apple may have done a number on themselves. > > OK, I have a friend who has just informed me that Apple as of the release of > Lion is no longer making, nor selling refurbished or not, the white plain > macbooks. Now, all they're selling in the laptop style is either the two > sizes of Macbook Airs, or if you want a full laptop, then the Eluminum > Macbook Pro. Not that this really per sey is a major issue for newcomers, > except the price will obviously be more, which leads me to my question. > > What about people like myself? I got my macbook back in April. It's not a > Pro. It's just a stocked white 13 inch. So, God forbid that thing ever > stops working during my year warranty, but hypotheticly, let's just say that > it did. I'm not in the least impressed with the Macbook airs. Not even the > 13 inch model. It's just not at all compreble for what I need. So, don't > tell me I'd be either forced to get an air, seeing that they're at equal > price, or pay more to get a Pro. Why should we pay more for something under > warranty, and furthermore, more for a product replacing the one we already > have. It's not our falt that they decided to quit making a good product. > What is Apple's deal lately! First it's the accessibility bugs in Lion, now > this? I hope my friend's assumption is incorrect, but he clamed he called > Apple and asked them. > > Does anyone know? > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this gr
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Can't PC owner. It's been beaten in to us for decades now. Relax, that thing about putting the customer first... it's true. It'll all be just fine. On 7/28/2011 11:05 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, how do you know they don't have some white macbooks in reserve just for the reason you stated? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter& Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I have a friend who has just informed me that Apple as of the release of Lion is no longer making, nor selling refurbished or not, the white plain macbooks. Now, all they're selling in the laptop style is either the two sizes of Macbook Airs, or if you want a full laptop, then the Eluminum Macbook Pro. Not that this really per sey is a major issue for newcomers, except the price will obviously be more, which leads me to my question. What about people like myself? I got my macbook back in April. It's not a Pro. It's just a stocked white 13 inch. So, God forbid that thing ever stops working during my year warranty, but hypotheticly, let's just say that it did. I'm not in the least impressed with the Macbook airs. Not even the 13 inch model. It's just not at all compreble for what I need. So, don't tell me I'd be either forced to get an air, seeing that they're at equal price, or pay more to get a Pro. Why should we pay more for something under warranty, and furthermore, more for a product replacing the one we already have. It's not our falt that they decided to quit making a good product. What is Apple's deal lately! First it's the accessibility bugs in Lion, now this? I hope my friend's assumption is incorrect, but he clamed he called Apple and asked them. Does anyone know? Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
Ok, i may be naive to the point of stupidness here, but i hope and pray to God that we will be free from scripting on the VO platform. One of the reasons why i switched from PC to Mac was the fact that not only did we have to pay a horrible amount of money for screen readers and the like, but sometimes, we even had to pay a ridiculous sum of money just because we ourselves couldn't adapt the screen reader to work with our programs, because we needed to be programmers to do this. That left the field open for people who did scripts that sometimes worked and other times didn't but we had to pay them still. I do not want to see this on the Mac platform. Of course it would be nice to have programs work the way we wanted it, but i don't want to pay 1.5 times more for the same app as my sighted collegues use, period. /Krister 27 jul 2011 kl. 11:02 skrev Luca: > > Hi, > Some important things i cannot still do with vo are wordprocessing > (tables, items, titles, footnotes and so on), easy navigation in > number (se t title row, column row , auto reading info when you move > from cell to cell ecc). > There are also some very useful features in other screen reader still > not implemented: continuous reading with fast skipping of elements, > for example. > And what about scripting? ok activities are a step forward, but > still we are not there.. > > You wrote: > I would also ask, what does voiceover not do that you need it to do? I > would say it does most things the windows screen readers do, and in > some ways does > many of them better. On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Ricardo Walker > wrote: - Nascondi testo citato- Mostra testo citato -> Hi, > In > regards to the iWork stuff, > > On 24 Lug, 20:49, Chris Snyder wrote: >> Well said. Apple will sort it out. Until then, I've reverted to Snow >> Leopard, and I'll keep it until some updates to Lion have come out. Using a >> March 2011 Macbook Pro 13 inch with the I5 processor, and I went from 37 >> seconds to boot up in Snow Leopard, to 1 minute and 25 to boot up in Lion. >> Friendly, >> Chris >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Missy Hope wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this message. >>> Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing >>> on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later, (hopefully >>> sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues. >>> Good night, all! >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark >>> Gilland >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues >>> Importance: High >> >>> I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, >>> they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I >>> totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason >>> I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I >>> mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these bugs. >>> come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it, >>> did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really >>> I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself, >>> but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot me, I >>> know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention, >>> but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear >>> me out for a second. >> >>> If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up. >> >>> Just let me have this for a sec. >> >>> Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's >>> opinion standpoint, ok? >> >>> this way it's more fair. >> >>> 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right? >> >>> 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab >>> dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll >>> get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in >>> a software update. I'll address that in a second. right now, we're just >>> looking at the facts. OK? So I repeat: >> >>> 2. Is it not true, that we all agree that lots of things are buggy? Yes, >>> or no. >> >>> 3. Do we all agree that these are problems that should have probably been >>> addressed at least to some extent during the beta cycle before the official >>> release? Yes or no>? >> >>> 4. Do we all agree that most of these bugs can be delt with and tollerated >>> to some degree? >> >>> OK then. >> >>> I think we all agree on all the above, so why such hostility toward me and >>> everyone else on list by some members. Look, I feel you all's frustration, >>> we just want things to work, but we also are getting frustrated at the
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
I don't they would come out with a replacement for the white macbook. They got rid of it because know was buying it. So why would they make another one just like it. I don't see why someone would want a white macbook over a macbook air. JMO Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi Chris, You're right about them not selling the white MacBook as of the release of Lion. However, we don't know the reasons behind the decision, and they could possibly come out with something that meets your needs. I'm confused, though, what makes the MacBook Air unimpressive in your eyes? It runs just as fast, if not faster than the MacBook Pros, for $700 less. The only thing you don't get is a traditional hard drive, which will end up solving a lot of drive failure problems anyway since there are no physical read heads to be damaged. I admit, the amount of storage you get in the entry level model is lesser than I'd want ideally, keep in mind the cost to manufacture solid state storage is astronomical. You also don't get an optical drive, but that's only $79.99 as an add-on. As far as the Lion accessibility issues, give apple time to fix things. No dot 0 release is always perfect. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 8:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Apple may have done a number on themselves. OK, I have a friend who has just informed me that Apple as of the release of Lion is no longer making, nor selling refurbished or not, the white plain macbooks. Now, all they're selling in the laptop style is either the two sizes of Macbook Airs, or if you want a full laptop, then the Eluminum Macbook Pro. Not that this really per sey is a major issue for newcomers, except the price will obviously be more, which leads me to my question. What about people like myself? I got my macbook back in April. It's not a Pro. It's just a stocked white 13 inch. So, God forbid that thing ever stops working during my year warranty, but hypotheticly, let's just say that it did. I'm not in the least impressed with the Macbook airs. Not even the 13 inch model. It's just not at all compreble for what I need. So, don't tell me I'd be either forced to get an air, seeing that they're at equal price, or pay more to get a Pro. Why should we pay more for something under warranty, and furthermore, more for a product replacing the one we already have. It's not our falt that they decided to quit making a good product. What is Apple's deal lately! First it's the accessibility bugs in Lion, now this? I hope my friend's assumption is incorrect, but he clamed he called Apple and asked them. Does anyone know? Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Hi, how do you know they don't have some white macbooks in reserve just for the reason you stated? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I have a friend who has just informed me that Apple as of the release of Lion is no longer making, nor selling refurbished or not, the white plain macbooks. Now, all they're selling in the laptop style is either the two sizes of Macbook Airs, or if you want a full laptop, then the Eluminum Macbook Pro. Not that this really per sey is a major issue for newcomers, except the price will obviously be more, which leads me to my question. What about people like myself? I got my macbook back in April. It's not a Pro. It's just a stocked white 13 inch. So, God forbid that thing ever stops working during my year warranty, but hypotheticly, let's just say that it did. I'm not in the least impressed with the Macbook airs. Not even the 13 inch model. It's just not at all compreble for what I need. So, don't tell me I'd be either forced to get an air, seeing that they're at equal price, or pay more to get a Pro. Why should we pay more for something under warranty, and furthermore, more for a product replacing the one we already have. It's not our falt that they decided to quit making a good product. What is Apple's deal lately! First it's the accessibility bugs in Lion, now this? I hope my friend's assumption is incorrect, but he clamed he called Apple and asked them. Does anyone know? Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Moving Mailboxes to the favorites Bar in Lion?
Hi, I was having the same exact problem you were having with the last mailbox in my mailbox list until just now. I pressed the zoom button and both the favorites bar and mailbox I wanted to drag were in in view I guess Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:35 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: I think the problem I'm having is not knowing when something isn't visible. I will probably have to get my sighted husband to help me. The folder I want to move is at the very bottom of the list, about as far away from the favorites bar as possible. I get a consistent "not in view" message when I try to drag it, and I can't seem to move it anywhere else, either. Thanks, Teresa On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:40 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > I don't think this makes a difference at all. As long as both the place > where your marking and dragging are visible on the screen, cursor tracking > doesn't matter. I just turned cursor tracking off and was able to drag and > drop a folder to the favorites bar. > > hth > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:32 AM, Shen wrote: > > I believe, if your mouse cursor is not set to follow the VoiceOver cursor, > that you will need to bring it over before using the drag and drop feature. > So use VO-Command-F5 to bring the mouse pointer to the VoiceOver cursor. Then > use VO-Comma to mark the item to drag. > Go to the Favorites bar, and again, move the mouse pointer to the Favorites > bar. > To drop the item at the location where the VoiceOver cursor is, press > VO-Comma. > If your cursor is on a mailbox, and you want the item dropped to the left of > that mailbox, press VO-Less Than. > If you want the item dragged to the right of where your VoiceOver cursor is, > press VO-Greater Than. > > hth > > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > >> Thanks, Eric. Unfortunately, your instructions didn't work either. >> >> Teresa >> On Jul 27, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Eric Caron wrote: >> >>> Hi Teresa, >>> >>> I had a similar experience trying to move mailboxes to the Favorites >>> bar. I had success when I used the other drop command that is the one that >>> drops the dragged mailbox under the current location you are on. so I >>> picked up my mailbox with VO comma, then went to the Favorites bar >>> interacted it and went to the last mailbox in the list. I then pressed VO >>> shift Period which is really VO greater than. For me for some reason this >>> worked better then VO Period. Hope this helps. >>> >>> Eric Caron >>> On Jul 27, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>> Hi, all, I was able to move one mailbox to the favorites bar. I have about 15 of them in my mailbox list, and when I try to drag and drop, I either get "area to drop may be hidden", or "item to be dragged no longer in view". I've tried full screen and making sure everything else was hidden when not in full screen mode, but this doesn't seem to make any difference. TiA, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubs
To the Moderators
Hi, It is becoming evident to me that this list has turned into a free-for-all. I am reading more and more mails that don't have much to do with Mac accessibility but apple in general. I bought my first Mac in February and joined the list because I wanted input from those who have been in the apple arena for a while. However, I am considering leaving the list because of its current direction. Please post the guidelines and let me know if I am mistakenin any way. In the Journey, Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
First of all, that guy's an idiot. The cheapest MBA runs for the same price as the macbook. And yes, it has a microphone and camera. Also, each air comes with a USB drive that contains your software for restore. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves. No optical drive, and not enough HD space are the two deal breakers for me. Plus the guy at my local Apple store said if the O S crashes I have to send it in for repair, as with no optical drive there is no way to restore the O S yourself. When I pointed out a U S B CD drive, he said in theory you'd think that would work, but it won't boot frm a U S B CD drive. He said even going into open firmware and configuring things wouldn't do it. Finally, he said no microphone nor eyesite web cam, which for me is enough major dealbreaker. I dono if I trust the credibility of any of this, but if that all is true, then, gag me with a spoon! Not only this, but $700 less than a MBP? this guy told me that the two models of MBA's ran for $1200 each. Again, I am not saying that I necessarily believe all of this, but if it's true, then, ee, gacks! Chris. - Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:59 AM Subject: RE: Apple may have done a number on themselves. > Hi Chris, > > You're right about them not selling the white MacBook as of the release of > Lion. However, we don't know the reasons behind the decision, and they > could > possibly come out with something that meets your needs. I'm confused, > though, what makes the MacBook Air unimpressive in your eyes? It runs just > as fast, if not faster than the MacBook Pros, for $700 less. The only > thing > you don't get is a traditional hard drive, which will end up solving a lot > of drive failure problems anyway since there are no physical read heads to > be damaged. I admit, the amount of storage you get in the entry level > model > is lesser than I'd want ideally, keep in mind the cost to manufacture > solid > state storage is astronomical. You also don't get an optical drive, but > that's only $79.99 as an add-on. > As far as the Lion accessibility issues, give apple time to fix things. No > dot 0 release is always perfect. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark > Gilland > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 8:41 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Apple may have done a number on themselves. > > OK, I have a friend who has just informed me that Apple as of the release > of > Lion is no longer making, nor selling refurbished or not, the white plain > macbooks. Now, all they're selling in the laptop style is either the two > sizes of Macbook Airs, or if you want a full laptop, then the Eluminum > Macbook Pro. Not that this really per sey is a major issue for newcomers, > except the price will obviously be more, which leads me to my question. > > What about people like myself? I got my macbook back in April. It's not > a > Pro. It's just a stocked white 13 inch. So, God forbid that thing ever > stops working during my year warranty, but hypotheticly, let's just say > that > it did. I'm not in the least impressed with the Macbook airs. Not even > the > 13 inch model. It's just not at all compreble for what I need. So, don't > tell me I'd be either forced to get an air, seeing that they're at equal > price, or pay more to get a Pro. Why should we pay more for something > under > warranty, and furthermore, more for a product replacing the one we already > have. It's not our falt that they decided to quit making a good product. > What is Apple's deal lately! First it's the accessibility bugs in Lion, > now > this? I hope my friend's assumption is incorrect, but he clamed he called > Apple and asked them. > > Does anyone know? > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send ema
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Aa. OK, so it's only now for educational purposes, ok, then that tells me, they should be able to replace it wstill if it be an absolute last resort. that's heartenning to know. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Geoff Shang" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:32 AM Subject: Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves. Hi, It's true that the MacBook is no longer being sold to regular consumers. But it's still being sold to educational institutions. As such, it's still being manufactured. So I'd expect it will still be possible to get your MacBook serviced for the foreseeable future. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Hi, In addition to jeff's comments, it's not worth speculating on what Apple may or may not do if your MacBook crashed. Suggesting that they'll make you pay extra money for a Pro or make you accept a MBA as a replacement is inaccurate speculation. Giving them a bad wrap for something that hasn't even happened or may not even be close to the truth is unfair. Wait and see what they do if the situation arises then either comment or praise. Later… On 2011-07-28, at 8:32 AM, Geoff Shang wrote: > Hi, > > It's true that the MacBook is no longer being sold to regular consumers. But > it's still being sold to educational institutions. As such, it's still being > manufactured. So I'd expect it will still be possible to get your MacBook > serviced for the foreseeable future. > > Geoff. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
I didn't say they would stop servicing it. I said, read my e-mail again please, that god forbid, if I ever had to get it replaced entirely as it was nonreparable. Again, God forbid that day, but we have to face the reality, that it is technology, and technology can indeed! do some strange things when it wants to. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Ronald McEwan" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves. Why do you believe that they will stop servicing your White macbook? In the Journey, Ron On Jul 28, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I have a friend who has just informed me that Apple as of the release of Lion is no longer making, nor selling refurbished or not, the white plain macbooks. Now, all they're selling in the laptop style is either the two sizes of Macbook Airs, or if you want a full laptop, then the Eluminum Macbook Pro. Not that this really per sey is a major issue for newcomers, except the price will obviously be more, which leads me to my question. What about people like myself? I got my macbook back in April. It's not a Pro. It's just a stocked white 13 inch. So, God forbid that thing ever stops working during my year warranty, but hypotheticly, let's just say that it did. I'm not in the least impressed with the Macbook airs. Not even the 13 inch model. It's just not at all compreble for what I need. So, don't tell me I'd be either forced to get an air, seeing that they're at equal price, or pay more to get a Pro. Why should we pay more for something under warranty, and furthermore, more for a product replacing the one we already have. It's not our falt that they decided to quit making a good product. What is Apple's deal lately! First it's the accessibility bugs in Lion, now this? I hope my friend's assumption is incorrect, but he clamed he called Apple and asked them. Does anyone know? Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
No optical drive, and not enough HD space are the two deal breakers for me. Plus the guy at my local Apple store said if the O S crashes I have to send it in for repair, as with no optical drive there is no way to restore the O S yourself. When I pointed out a U S B CD drive, he said in theory you'd think that would work, but it won't boot frm a U S B CD drive. He said even going into open firmware and configuring things wouldn't do it. Finally, he said no microphone nor eyesite web cam, which for me is enough major dealbreaker. I dono if I trust the credibility of any of this, but if that all is true, then, gag me with a spoon! Not only this, but $700 less than a MBP? this guy told me that the two models of MBA's ran for $1200 each. Again, I am not saying that I necessarily believe all of this, but if it's true, then, ee, gacks! Chris. - Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:59 AM Subject: RE: Apple may have done a number on themselves. Hi Chris, You're right about them not selling the white MacBook as of the release of Lion. However, we don't know the reasons behind the decision, and they could possibly come out with something that meets your needs. I'm confused, though, what makes the MacBook Air unimpressive in your eyes? It runs just as fast, if not faster than the MacBook Pros, for $700 less. The only thing you don't get is a traditional hard drive, which will end up solving a lot of drive failure problems anyway since there are no physical read heads to be damaged. I admit, the amount of storage you get in the entry level model is lesser than I'd want ideally, keep in mind the cost to manufacture solid state storage is astronomical. You also don't get an optical drive, but that's only $79.99 as an add-on. As far as the Lion accessibility issues, give apple time to fix things. No dot 0 release is always perfect. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 8:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Apple may have done a number on themselves. OK, I have a friend who has just informed me that Apple as of the release of Lion is no longer making, nor selling refurbished or not, the white plain macbooks. Now, all they're selling in the laptop style is either the two sizes of Macbook Airs, or if you want a full laptop, then the Eluminum Macbook Pro. Not that this really per sey is a major issue for newcomers, except the price will obviously be more, which leads me to my question. What about people like myself? I got my macbook back in April. It's not a Pro. It's just a stocked white 13 inch. So, God forbid that thing ever stops working during my year warranty, but hypotheticly, let's just say that it did. I'm not in the least impressed with the Macbook airs. Not even the 13 inch model. It's just not at all compreble for what I need. So, don't tell me I'd be either forced to get an air, seeing that they're at equal price, or pay more to get a Pro. Why should we pay more for something under warranty, and furthermore, more for a product replacing the one we already have. It's not our falt that they decided to quit making a good product. What is Apple's deal lately! First it's the accessibility bugs in Lion, now this? I hope my friend's assumption is incorrect, but he clamed he called Apple and asked them. Does anyone know? Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: voiceover bug
I used to have that happen in SL right after the "you need to plug your Mac in" dialog would appear. I usually had to turn VO off then on again more than once and it would fix it. If that still doesn't work, try restarting your Mac. Later… On 2011-07-28, at 6:36 AM, chad baker wrote: > hi has anyone experienced vo not going to menu bars > it will read just apple and nothing else > i tried turning vo off and on > also its slow typing with alex > he needs a boost > thanks > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: strange behavior with Lion
Hi, It sounds to me more like a hardware issue than a software issue. Those things are usually related but when taking everything you said/did, it sounds more like a hardware issue to me as it regained proper functionality after a Shutdown/Startup. I would reset the PRAM though just to lear any software glitches stuck there. If you're not familiar how to do this, simply restart your Mac and when the startup chime sounds, hold down the cmd key, the option key, the "r" key and the "p" key simultaneously. Yes, it's a awkward combination but what I do is hold down the cmd-option with my left thumb and then the "r" with my left index finger and the "p" with my right pinky. When you hold this down as the startup chime sounds, the screen will do some funny things then the startup chime will sound again. Let the chime sound an extra three times past the initial one and then let go of them all. Things should then startup normally. Let me know if it continues and I'll give you a few other suggestions to help determine whether it's Lion or hardware. Later… On 2011-07-28, at 1:26 AM, Shen wrote: > So I came home today and thought I do some things on my MacBook Pro, > such as checking email and browse the internet. > The Mac booted up, I logged in, everything works fine except my volume > controls, F11 and F12 don't work. I checked everything and confirmed > that everything on my keyboard works. Even Fn plus F11 and F12 work > just fine. I thought perhaps it's my BlueTooth keyboard acting up. > Keep in mind this never happened with Snow Leopard. > I reached over to the built-in keyboard in my MacBook Pro. No dice! > F11 and F12 just refuse to work. > OK, I thought perhaps the machine needs a restart. Even though it has > just been booted up after being off the entire day. I'll give it the > benefit of the doubt. > I restarted my machine, got to the log in window, provided my > credentials, and logged in. After reaching the Desktop, I tried the > volume keys again. Still, they didn't work. This was the most puzzling > thing to me. Of all the things not to work, it's the volume controls. > I was able to use VO-M to open the status menu and check the system > volume. According to the status menu, the System volume is set to > 100-percent. I know it's not because it would distort my speakers. I > tried using the arrow keys to adjust the volume in the status menu. It > wouldn't budge. It stayed at 100-percent. Is that weird or not? > OK, this time, I decided to give it the cold restart, turning it > completely off, then on. > After restarting a second time, my volume controls came back. > Before any of you question me whether I have a functioning keyboard or > not, let me end this message by tell ing you that this has never > happened before when I was running Snow Leopard. And come to think of > it, a similar incident happened last week, a couple of days after > installing Lion. But since I was in the process of rebooting,I didn't > bother to stop and investigate. That time, everything did not work > except for the volume buttons. After restarting, everything came back > to normal so I didn't think much of it. > > So has anyone experienced this before? > Does anyone have any guesses whether this is just a glitch in Lion, > having upgraded from Snow Leopard? Will a clean install of Lion get > rid of these little annoyances? > > > > -- > Shen > goalb...@gmail.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Hi, It's true that the MacBook is no longer being sold to regular consumers. But it's still being sold to educational institutions. As such, it's still being manufactured. So I'd expect it will still be possible to get your MacBook serviced for the foreseeable future. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Why do you believe that they will stop servicing your White macbook? In the Journey, Ron On Jul 28, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > OK, I have a friend who has just informed me that Apple as of the release of > Lion is no longer making, nor selling refurbished or not, the white plain > macbooks. Now, all they're selling in the laptop style is either the two > sizes of Macbook Airs, or if you want a full laptop, then the Eluminum > Macbook Pro. Not that this really per sey is a major issue for newcomers, > except the price will obviously be more, which leads me to my question. > > What about people like myself? I got my macbook back in April. It's not a > Pro. It's just a stocked white 13 inch. So, God forbid that thing ever > stops working during my year warranty, but hypotheticly, let's just say that > it did. I'm not in the least impressed with the Macbook airs. Not even the > 13 inch model. It's just not at all compreble for what I need. So, don't > tell me I'd be either forced to get an air, seeing that they're at equal > price, or pay more to get a Pro. Why should we pay more for something under > warranty, and furthermore, more for a product replacing the one we already > have. It's not our falt that they decided to quit making a good product. > What is Apple's deal lately! First it's the accessibility bugs in Lion, now > this? I hope my friend's assumption is incorrect, but he clamed he called > Apple and asked them. > > Does anyone know? > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Using gmail web interface
Hi Garth! Well I think I can help with the quick nav thingy! Instead of using the up down arrows try just the right one! That should take you through each link until you get to the sign out one! And I've got a track pad here so I'll just go and see what I can come up with! [ I need the practice!] hth Colin On 28 Jul 2011, at 14:19, Garth Humphreys wrote: > Hi Colin > > Thanks for the response. I can understand your directions. I will try the VO > + U option tomorrow when in store. > > When I tried it last time, I was able to find my name on the web interface. > The Apple rep could see on screen that the sign out link came up on screen > when I selected the link with my name however neither of us could get VO to > then go to the sign out link. BTW I tried both VO+space and the quick nav > up / down arrows to select the my name link. > > Apart from this issue I found that it was really natural to be able to > navigate the web with the track pad commander but there is also a lot that > will take some getting use to. > > Thanks > Garth > > On 28/07/2011, at 10:40 PM, "Red.Falcon" > wrote: > >> Hi Garth! >> OK when on the gmail screen and it should say something like your email and >> under that options! >> When sitting on your email link just press vo+space! >> This should bring you to where you can check your settings and other things >> like your profile! >> You should find the sign out link there as well! >> You could also use the web rota open with [vo+u and depending on what it is >> set on like headers for example you can right arrow until it says links! >> So sitting on the table of links if then you type s and i the choice's will >> narrow down to just a few options one of which should be sign out! >> So down arrow to that link on the list and press vo+space and that will >> select that link and vo+space and then you will be signed out! >> There is also if you do not want to try the rota just yet after pressing on >> your email just arrow until you get to that sign out link and once again >> vo+space on it! >> hopefully this was not to confusing and it works for you! >> Colin >> >> On 28 Jul 2011, at 01:18, Garth Humphreys wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Garth >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> From: Garth Humphreys Date: 28 July 2011 10:12:23 AM AEST To: "viph...@googlegroups.com" Subject: Using gmail web interface Hi I still have not taken the plunge and bought a Mac however have been playing with one at our local Apple store. I logged into my gmail account in store and found that I couldn't work out how to log out. The apple rep in store was helping me and advised that there was a menu that dropped down under my name which allows log out but we could not work out how to get to it with VO on. In the end I just got the rep to log out for me. I am sure this is very easy to do but I just couldn't work it out. As I don't even have a Mac yet, I am obviously very inexperienced at using the Mac. Garth >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Choosing a Mac Book Air
Hello Garth, I have a late 2010 11 inch macbook air and can give my opinions. I've never tried the 13 inch Air, so I won't give an opinion on it. Regarding RAM: I think there are several good reasons to purchase it with 4 GB of RAM. Reason one: Unlike most computers, RAM on the Air is not upgradable after you've purchased it. It is soldered to the system board and cannot be expanded. Perhaps an enterprising third party will come along with a method of upgrading RAM but as of yet this has not happened to the best of my knowledge. Reason two: Lion's minimum RAM requirement is two GB. It's probably a good idea to have more than the minimum even if you only plan to do basic web surfing, email and skype.. Reason three: If you're considering the only model that comes with 2GB RAM, I assume that also means you're considering the 64 GB SSD that comes with that base model. Apple's retail price is US $100 to bump that base model up to 4GB. However, if you bypass the base model and go with the higher-level model, you will get both the additional 2 GB of RAM plus a 128 GB SSD for not a lot more money, especially if you shop around at vendors such as macmall and amazon where you can find better pricing. While I would normally also recommend looking at Apple's online refurb store, in this case I think the reported performance improvements of the newest Air probably outweigh the small price difference offered by purchasing a last-generation refurbished Air. Regarding Zoom: I used Zoom extensively in the past when my vision was better, and I still use it sometimes with my 24 inch external monitor. For getting out of tricky situations, I find Zoom is fine on the 11 inch screen. Try it in the store and see what you think. You can zoom the heck out of most things. If you're like me and cannot see anything on a white background, you might want to also try reversing the video to white-on-black. The Zoom, color and contrast options can all be found and quickly toggled in the Universal Access panel of System Preferences. If you decide to attach an external monitor, you can do this through the new Thunderbolt port which actually doubles as a mini DisplayPort, thus allowing you to use Apple's variety of adapters to connect to VGA, DVI and I think HDMI displays. HTH, Bryan On Jul 28, 2011, at 5:33 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: > I am trying to decide which Mac Book Air to buy. I would love to hear the > experiences of those of you who use the zoom feature with VO. I have been > trying the air out at our local Apple store and am trying to decide between > the 11 inch and the 13 inch models. > > Firstly, do you all think that it is important to get 4 Gb RAM or would 2 Gb > be fine with VO. Keep in mind that the Air would primarily be used for email > and browsing. At times I will be using the Air for skype and will want to be > able to record the audio. > > Next, how well does the Zoom feature work. The reason for asking is that I am > trying to evaluate the value of spending an extra $100 or so for the extra > screen realestate of the 13 inch. My sight is poor enough that I would > probably only use the screen to help get out of those tricky situations where > seeing the screen makes it easier. I hope this makes sence to some of you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Apple may have done a number on themselves.
Hi Chris, You're right about them not selling the white MacBook as of the release of Lion. However, we don't know the reasons behind the decision, and they could possibly come out with something that meets your needs. I'm confused, though, what makes the MacBook Air unimpressive in your eyes? It runs just as fast, if not faster than the MacBook Pros, for $700 less. The only thing you don't get is a traditional hard drive, which will end up solving a lot of drive failure problems anyway since there are no physical read heads to be damaged. I admit, the amount of storage you get in the entry level model is lesser than I'd want ideally, keep in mind the cost to manufacture solid state storage is astronomical. You also don't get an optical drive, but that's only $79.99 as an add-on. As far as the Lion accessibility issues, give apple time to fix things. No dot 0 release is always perfect. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 8:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Apple may have done a number on themselves. OK, I have a friend who has just informed me that Apple as of the release of Lion is no longer making, nor selling refurbished or not, the white plain macbooks. Now, all they're selling in the laptop style is either the two sizes of Macbook Airs, or if you want a full laptop, then the Eluminum Macbook Pro. Not that this really per sey is a major issue for newcomers, except the price will obviously be more, which leads me to my question. What about people like myself? I got my macbook back in April. It's not a Pro. It's just a stocked white 13 inch. So, God forbid that thing ever stops working during my year warranty, but hypotheticly, let's just say that it did. I'm not in the least impressed with the Macbook airs. Not even the 13 inch model. It's just not at all compreble for what I need. So, don't tell me I'd be either forced to get an air, seeing that they're at equal price, or pay more to get a Pro. Why should we pay more for something under warranty, and furthermore, more for a product replacing the one we already have. It's not our falt that they decided to quit making a good product. What is Apple's deal lately! First it's the accessibility bugs in Lion, now this? I hope my friend's assumption is incorrect, but he clamed he called Apple and asked them. Does anyone know? Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: new member with several questions.
Well, my wife wants to get the one to one class, and I talked to one of the 3 stores we have near us here in Southern California, and one store in particular said they would be willing to take me on, and they have a blind customer already. That's the store in Pasadena. Jim From: Red.Falcon Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:13 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: new member with several questions. Hi Jim! Well I suppose you could ask at your particular Apple store what there knowledge is and your other half would also be able to put it to good use if needed! So as long as they [at the store] can fit you in I understand you can have quite a lot of 1 to 1 help! And just one more thing! If your particular store are not very knowledgable about vo then you signing up might help them learn! Or you might find they are already quite good! hth Colin On 28 Jul 2011, at 06:39, jim rawls wrote: Thanks Christopher. We'll probably take it. Jim From: Christopher Peppel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:29 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: new member with several questions. Hi Jim, I took the one-on-one course at the Apple store and it was definitely worth it. In the store I went to, the folks were very friendly and helpful. It was probably the best money I spent. Chris On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:11 PM, jim rawls wrote: Hi All, My wife and I will be buying a mac pro computer in the next little while. I am clueless about where to start to learn the mac with voice over. I have been a jaws user on windows computer since the year 2000, but think it is time to take the plunge and learn the mac with voice over. So, question. Would it help us to get the one to one program offered at the Mac store with our purchase? My wife is sighted, I am not. Second, where can I find the list of commands to use on the Mac? Thirdly, is the new lion commands up to learn? I can't think f any more things now, but no doubt will, so if you can give this clueless potential user of the mac pro some hints on where to start, it would be greatly appreciated. thanks for your help. Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Apple may have done a number on themselves.
OK, I have a friend who has just informed me that Apple as of the release of Lion is no longer making, nor selling refurbished or not, the white plain macbooks. Now, all they're selling in the laptop style is either the two sizes of Macbook Airs, or if you want a full laptop, then the Eluminum Macbook Pro. Not that this really per sey is a major issue for newcomers, except the price will obviously be more, which leads me to my question. What about people like myself? I got my macbook back in April. It's not a Pro. It's just a stocked white 13 inch. So, God forbid that thing ever stops working during my year warranty, but hypotheticly, let's just say that it did. I'm not in the least impressed with the Macbook airs. Not even the 13 inch model. It's just not at all compreble for what I need. So, don't tell me I'd be either forced to get an air, seeing that they're at equal price, or pay more to get a Pro. Why should we pay more for something under warranty, and furthermore, more for a product replacing the one we already have. It's not our falt that they decided to quit making a good product. What is Apple's deal lately! First it's the accessibility bugs in Lion, now this? I hope my friend's assumption is incorrect, but he clamed he called Apple and asked them. Does anyone know? Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Moving Mailboxes to the favorites Bar in Lion?
I think the problem I'm having is not knowing when something isn't visible. I will probably have to get my sighted husband to help me. The folder I want to move is at the very bottom of the list, about as far away from the favorites bar as possible. I get a consistent "not in view" message when I try to drag it, and I can't seem to move it anywhere else, either. Thanks, Teresa On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:40 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > I don't think this makes a difference at all. As long as both the place > where your marking and dragging are visible on the screen, cursor tracking > doesn't matter. I just turned cursor tracking off and was able to drag and > drop a folder to the favorites bar. > > hth > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:32 AM, Shen wrote: > > I believe, if your mouse cursor is not set to follow the VoiceOver cursor, > that you will need to bring it over before using the drag and drop feature. > So use VO-Command-F5 to bring the mouse pointer to the VoiceOver cursor. Then > use VO-Comma to mark the item to drag. > Go to the Favorites bar, and again, move the mouse pointer to the Favorites > bar. > To drop the item at the location where the VoiceOver cursor is, press > VO-Comma. > If your cursor is on a mailbox, and you want the item dropped to the left of > that mailbox, press VO-Less Than. > If you want the item dragged to the right of where your VoiceOver cursor is, > press VO-Greater Than. > > hth > > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > >> Thanks, Eric. Unfortunately, your instructions didn't work either. >> >> Teresa >> On Jul 27, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Eric Caron wrote: >> >>> Hi Teresa, >>> >>> I had a similar experience trying to move mailboxes to the Favorites >>> bar. I had success when I used the other drop command that is the one that >>> drops the dragged mailbox under the current location you are on. so I >>> picked up my mailbox with VO comma, then went to the Favorites bar >>> interacted it and went to the last mailbox in the list. I then pressed VO >>> shift Period which is really VO greater than. For me for some reason this >>> worked better then VO Period. Hope this helps. >>> >>> Eric Caron >>> On Jul 27, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>> Hi, all, I was able to move one mailbox to the favorites bar. I have about 15 of them in my mailbox list, and when I try to drag and drop, I either get "area to drop may be hidden", or "item to be dragged no longer in view". I've tried full screen and making sure everything else was hidden when not in full screen mode, but this doesn't seem to make any difference. TiA, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+uns
Re: voiceover bug
Hi, I've only gotten this problem once, but then I escaped out of the menu bar, and it worked fine ever since. Courtney On Jul 28, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Cody wrote: > I aven't had the issue where voiceover goes to the menu bar, but I sometimes > get alex repeating apple apple apple apple apple for some reason…could this > be because of the the mouse pointer? it can't be in my case, because the > mouse pointer follows the voiceover cursor > On Jul 28, 2011, at 8:36 AM, chad baker wrote: > >> hi has anyone experienced vo not going to menu bars >> it will read just apple and nothing else >> i tried turning vo off and on >> also its slow typing with alex >> he needs a boost >> thanks >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: voiceover bug
Hello Chad, I have been experiencing something similar to this since installing Lion. From time to time I will not be able to arrow right from the Apple menu, but I can always arrow left from there and work my way backwards. Can you give that a try and let me know what your results are? Cheers, Bryan On Jul 28, 2011, at 8:36 AM, chad baker wrote: > hi has anyone experienced vo not going to menu bars > it will read just apple and nothing else > i tried turning vo off and on > also its slow typing with alex > he needs a boost > thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
