Re: iPhone 4S: is it really awesome?
Thank you all for your suggestions. Can the dictation be used in edit field of any app? Ya. Excluding the password fields. :) Sent from my iPhone On 09-May-2012, at 4:33 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: > Hi Venkatesh > I have not noticed a significant battery problem from my iPhone 4 and when i > fot 4S. You might want to get a portable battery charger you can carry > around. That's at I did, but I seldom have to use it from within my purse. > > I think the dictation feature is pretty good, but then I am doing it with a > southern U.S. accent. Having said that, I have to be careful to say my words > clearly so Siri will understand me. > > Regards, > Gigi > > Eugenia Firth > gigifi...@sbcglobal.net > > > > On May 8, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Venkatesh Potluri wrote: > >> Hi listers. >> I am currently using an iPhone 3Gs. I am considering to get a new 4S. >> I have a few questions. I am sorry for a long email. the 4S is an >> expensive purchase so I wish to be very sure before I decide. >> >> >> 1. I watched many videos of siri. from that, I learn it is really good >> in speech recognition. well, since you will be using it daily, what do >> you think about it's recognition capabilities? How good is it at >> texting? I also saw a couple of posts in this list about vo and siri >> not working properly together. Does it really prove to be >> inconvenient? >> 2. text dictation. >> I read that there is an option to say the text we wish to type in an >> edit field on pressing a microphone button on the keyboard. Is this >> only in the messages app or works in any edit field (even in 3rd party >> apps like Facebook and whatsapp messenger)? and, how is the accuracy >> of the recognition? >> 3. Looktel apps on 3GS vs 4S >> I am planning to purchase the money reader and the recognizer in the >> near future. Is there a significant performance difference in terms of >> recognition time and accuracy? >> 4. VO and battery in 3Gs vs 4S >> since updating to iOs5, VO lags quite often. It responds late when I >> move my finger on the touch keyboard and by the time I remove my >> finger, it enters a different character from what I actually intended >> to enter. Does this happen in the 4S too? and how is the battery life >> of the phone after the 5.1 update? >> Your suggestions would be of great value and will help me in making >> the right choice. >> Thank you for reading this long list of questions. >> Regards >> Venkatesh >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: backing up apps in itunes
Well in iTunes if you back up your apps everyday and you have an app that was updated today persay and you update it on the phone then backed it up to iTunes the old version of the app will be removed and replaced with the new one. The same thing goes for iCloud. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 7:35 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: backing up apps in itunes But, if I understand you correctly, that would not necessarily be the same if you were just backing up apps from your phone to your computer because they wouldn't be checked for release date there, but the would be if backing up to iCloud. Is that correct? - Original Message - From: "alberto arrreola" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:02 PM Subject: Re: backing up apps in itunes It will autimatically synces the newest app update when your phone backs up on icloud. Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2012, at 6:24 PM, David Tanner wrote: > It does seem like a reasonable idea. But, I have a question in that > regard. > > Question: If you have backed up apps either on the computer or iCloud how > do you know whethere there are multiple copies of an app or whether the > version that is backed up is the most current update of the app that is > backed up. If the backup is likely to not be the most recent version then > that would be all the more reason to not backup and just download a copy > of an app that you needed to replace because then you would know that you > had the latest update of that app. > > > > - Original Message - From: "alberto arreola" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 7:16 PM > Subject: RE: backing up apps in itunes > > >> Most of my stuff is going to iCloud these days. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:42 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: backing up apps in itunes >> >> Hey everyone, I'm wondering what everyone thinks of keeping their apps >> backed up in itunes. Do most of you do this? The reason I ask is, since >> you >> can redownload them if needed by going to the purchased tab in the app >> store, I've thought about deleting them from my computers and freeing up >> several GB of disk space. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: opening or closing a series of apps at once?
Yes, I just used TextEdit; perhaps I should have saved it as a .txt file. I'll try that and a few adjustments in syntax; I really wish I had a manual of commands and structures I could look at for scripting. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: backing up apps in itunes
But, if I understand you correctly, that would not necessarily be the same if you were just backing up apps from your phone to your computer because they wouldn't be checked for release date there, but the would be if backing up to iCloud. Is that correct? - Original Message - From: "alberto arrreola" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:02 PM Subject: Re: backing up apps in itunes It will autimatically synces the newest app update when your phone backs up on icloud. Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2012, at 6:24 PM, David Tanner wrote: It does seem like a reasonable idea. But, I have a question in that regard. Question: If you have backed up apps either on the computer or iCloud how do you know whethere there are multiple copies of an app or whether the version that is backed up is the most current update of the app that is backed up. If the backup is likely to not be the most recent version then that would be all the more reason to not backup and just download a copy of an app that you needed to replace because then you would know that you had the latest update of that app. - Original Message - From: "alberto arreola" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 7:16 PM Subject: RE: backing up apps in itunes Most of my stuff is going to iCloud these days. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:42 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: backing up apps in itunes Hey everyone, I'm wondering what everyone thinks of keeping their apps backed up in itunes. Do most of you do this? The reason I ask is, since you can redownload them if needed by going to the purchased tab in the app store, I've thought about deleting them from my computers and freeing up several GB of disk space. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: opening or closing a series of apps at once?
How did you initially create the file as a textedit RTF? I'll get back to you. Best wishes, JOnathan Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net On May 6, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > Attached is the file I wrote. It opens in AppleScript Editor, which I'm not > sure what that means. Also, these Ifthen statements don't work as I am used > to, so my logic may be redundant. > > > • Mark BurningHawk Baxter > • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > • My home page: > • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: backing up apps in itunes
It will autimatically synces the newest app update when your phone backs up on icloud. Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2012, at 6:24 PM, David Tanner wrote: > It does seem like a reasonable idea. But, I have a question in that regard. > > Question: If you have backed up apps either on the computer or iCloud how do > you know whethere there are multiple copies of an app or whether the version > that is backed up is the most current update of the app that is backed up. If > the backup is likely to not be the most recent version then that would be all > the more reason to not backup and just download a copy of an app that you > needed to replace because then you would know that you had the latest update > of that app. > > > > - Original Message - From: "alberto arreola" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 7:16 PM > Subject: RE: backing up apps in itunes > > >> Most of my stuff is going to iCloud these days. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:42 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: backing up apps in itunes >> >> Hey everyone, I'm wondering what everyone thinks of keeping their apps >> backed up in itunes. Do most of you do this? The reason I ask is, since you >> can redownload them if needed by going to the purchased tab in the app >> store, I've thought about deleting them from my computers and freeing up >> several GB of disk space. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: backing up apps in itunes
It does seem like a reasonable idea. But, I have a question in that regard. Question: If you have backed up apps either on the computer or iCloud how do you know whethere there are multiple copies of an app or whether the version that is backed up is the most current update of the app that is backed up. If the backup is likely to not be the most recent version then that would be all the more reason to not backup and just download a copy of an app that you needed to replace because then you would know that you had the latest update of that app. - Original Message - From: "alberto arreola" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 7:16 PM Subject: RE: backing up apps in itunes Most of my stuff is going to iCloud these days. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:42 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: backing up apps in itunes Hey everyone, I'm wondering what everyone thinks of keeping their apps backed up in itunes. Do most of you do this? The reason I ask is, since you can redownload them if needed by going to the purchased tab in the app store, I've thought about deleting them from my computers and freeing up several GB of disk space. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: backing up apps in itunes
I assume we are talking about iPhone apps? What seting would one change to stop backing them up? I found it useful to have them if an update should brake accessibility. It was comforting to find the old versions in trash. Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On May 8, 2012, at 7:42 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > Hey everyone, I'm wondering what everyone thinks of keeping their apps backed > up in itunes. Do most of you do this? The reason I ask is, since you can > redownload them if needed by going to the purchased tab in the app store, > I've thought about deleting them from my computers and freeing up several GB > of disk space. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: backing up apps in itunes
Most of my stuff is going to iCloud these days. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:42 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: backing up apps in itunes Hey everyone, I'm wondering what everyone thinks of keeping their apps backed up in itunes. Do most of you do this? The reason I ask is, since you can redownload them if needed by going to the purchased tab in the app store, I've thought about deleting them from my computers and freeing up several GB of disk space. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: backing up apps in itunes
Seems a good idea Egbert Verstuurd vanaf mijn IPhone Op 9 mei 2012 om 01:42 heeft Mike Arrigo het volgende geschreven: > Hey everyone, I'm wondering what everyone thinks of keeping their apps backed > up in itunes. Do most of you do this? The reason I ask is, since you can > redownload them if needed by going to the purchased tab in the app store, > I've thought about deleting them from my computers and freeing up several GB > of disk space. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Getting live regions on a web page to automatically speak?
Does chrome behave any better?
JOn
Jonathan C. Cohn
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On May 8, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> I went to reproduce the issue and ran into another one. For some reason I
> can't get aria-atomic="false" working in Safari with Voiceover. I have a
> container on a page like this:
>
>
>
> and I stuff random numbers in there once every three seconds with a
> javascript method like this:
>
> function update(){
>var r,f,d=document;
>//Create a 5 digit random number
>r=(""+Math.random()).substr(2,5);
>//Create a span with the new entry and append it to the list
>f=d.createElement("span");
>f.innerHTML=r+"";
>//Add it to the chat log
>d.getElementById("box1").appendChild(f)
>//Do it again in a little while
>setTimeout("update()",3000);
> }
>
> What I expected was that as each number was injected into box1 the live
> region stuff would cause VO to read it. What actually happened was that all
> the numbers were read. This would be the equivalent of setting
> aria-atome="true" but it's supposed to default to "false". Event setting
> atomic="false" had no effect. Running this same demo on Jaws on Firefox on
> Windows 7 works just fine as does NVDA. So is seems like there is some kind
> of basic VO live-region weirdness.
>
> CB
>
> On 5/7/12 4:22 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote:
>> Hello list:
>> I am working with a binary options broker who has live regions on their web
>> site that update with pricing information. I can find the region and get it
>> to speak by arrowing over it using quickNav. I'm sure VO/left and right
>> arrows will do the same thing. The problem I am having is when I'm focused
>> on this region VoiceOver does not speak it as it's being updated. I have
>> Live regions enabled in the Web tab of the VoiceOver utility. Anyone else
>> have any pointers on this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Doug
>>
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Re: mail problems, anyone?
IN your advanced mail settings, there is a pull down for Keep messages for offline viewing". changing this might help. Best wishes, Jonathan Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net On May 8, 2012, at 7:43 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > Hello Kaitlyn, > > Yes, I have experienced exactly what you described, for the first time, > yesterday. > > The funny thing is that this does not occur in Outlook 2007. > > Mark > > > > On May 8, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Hi, >> Is anyone else having problems with mail acting sluggish with gmail lately? >> >> For instance, I use the vo j command to read my messages, and I use the new >> view and lots of times lately, if there are several messages in a >> conversation, after I read the first message in the conversation, I hit >> delete and instead of going on to the next message as mail used to do, it >> just sits there. If I use vo j to go back to the messages column, the count >> is one less message then before, but when I go back into the conversation, >> the message I just read is still there. >> >> Anybody know what's going on? This is frustrating! >> >> thanks, >> Caitlyn >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail problems, anyone?
Hello Kaitlyn, Yes, I have experienced exactly what you described, for the first time, yesterday. The funny thing is that this does not occur in Outlook 2007. Mark On May 8, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Hi, > Is anyone else having problems with mail acting sluggish with gmail lately? > > For instance, I use the vo j command to read my messages, and I use the new > view and lots of times lately, if there are several messages in a > conversation, after I read the first message in the conversation, I hit > delete and instead of going on to the next message as mail used to do, it > just sits there. If I use vo j to go back to the messages column, the count > is one less message then before, but when I go back into the conversation, > the message I just read is still there. > > Anybody know what's going on? This is frustrating! > > thanks, > Caitlyn > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
backing up apps in itunes
Hey everyone, I'm wondering what everyone thinks of keeping their apps backed up in itunes. Do most of you do this? The reason I ask is, since you can redownload them if needed by going to the purchased tab in the app store, I've thought about deleting them from my computers and freeing up several GB of disk space. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: RSS reader that can handle podcasts.
Mail can handle podcasts, the podcast will be an attachment to the message. I generally use command-Y to listen. Best wishes, Jonathan Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net On May 6, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Allison Mervis wrote: > Hi everyone. > Is there an accessible RSS reader that can handle both text-based rss feeds > and podcasts? I really don't want to use iTunes for podcasts, and it would be > wonderful if all of my feeds were located in one place. I know that mail can > handle rss feeds, but does it also handle podcasts as well? Will it force me > to try to use iTunes if I subscribe to a podcast feed? Thank you. > Allison > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPhone 4S: is it really awesome?
Hi Venkatesh I have not noticed a significant battery problem from my iPhone 4 and when i fot 4S. You might want to get a portable battery charger you can carry around. That's at I did, but I seldom have to use it from within my purse. I think the dictation feature is pretty good, but then I am doing it with a southern U.S. accent. Having said that, I have to be careful to say my words clearly so Siri will understand me. Regards, Gigi Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On May 8, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Venkatesh Potluri wrote: > Hi listers. > I am currently using an iPhone 3Gs. I am considering to get a new 4S. > I have a few questions. I am sorry for a long email. the 4S is an > expensive purchase so I wish to be very sure before I decide. > > > 1. I watched many videos of siri. from that, I learn it is really good > in speech recognition. well, since you will be using it daily, what do > you think about it's recognition capabilities? How good is it at > texting? I also saw a couple of posts in this list about vo and siri > not working properly together. Does it really prove to be > inconvenient? > 2. text dictation. > I read that there is an option to say the text we wish to type in an > edit field on pressing a microphone button on the keyboard. Is this > only in the messages app or works in any edit field (even in 3rd party > apps like Facebook and whatsapp messenger)? and, how is the accuracy > of the recognition? > 3. Looktel apps on 3GS vs 4S > I am planning to purchase the money reader and the recognizer in the > near future. Is there a significant performance difference in terms of > recognition time and accuracy? > 4. VO and battery in 3Gs vs 4S > since updating to iOs5, VO lags quite often. It responds late when I > move my finger on the touch keyboard and by the time I remove my > finger, it enters a different character from what I actually intended > to enter. Does this happen in the 4S too? and how is the battery life > of the phone after the 5.1 update? > Your suggestions would be of great value and will help me in making > the right choice. > Thank you for reading this long list of questions. > Regards > Venkatesh > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
iBird Explorer Pro and iBird United Kingdom & Ireland apps on sale for $0.99
Hi All, I know that some of you like and use birdsong apps. The iBird Explorer Pro app is currently on sale for $0.99 to celebrate iBird's 3-year anniversary. This is their premier app that normally costs $29.99 (although they've recently reduced the price to $14.99 before this sale). It lists 924 birds of North America with an extensive repertoire of audio sound tracks and description of habits, habitat, phonetic rendition of characteristic calls, etc., and with professional extra features over the iBird Explorer Plus app, and is a universal binary. The other apps on sale for $0.99 are the iBird United Kingdom & Ireland app (price dropped from $4.99) and the iBird Pro HD app (dropped from $9.99) that is specifically for the iPad. This is a limited time sale. I'm cc'ing to the macvisionaries group, as well. Here are the app store links: • iBird Explorer Pro http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibird-explorer-pro/id308018823?mt=8 • iBird UK & Ireland http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibird-united-kingdom-ireland/id424729739?mt=8 • iBird Pro HD (iPad only) http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibird-pro-hd/id387946719?mt=8 HTH. Cheers, Esther -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPhone 4S: is it really awesome?
Hi, honestly, at this point I would just hold off. The 4S has already been out for 7 months. In 5 months or less there will more than likely be a new iPhone for you to pick up instead. And if you don't want to do that, you can get a 4S at a cheaper price once the new iPhone is released. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 8, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Venkatesh Potluri wrote: > Hi listers. > I am currently using an iPhone 3Gs. I am considering to get a new 4S. > I have a few questions. I am sorry for a long email. the 4S is an > expensive purchase so I wish to be very sure before I decide. > > > 1. I watched many videos of siri. from that, I learn it is really good > in speech recognition. well, since you will be using it daily, what do > you think about it's recognition capabilities? How good is it at > texting? I also saw a couple of posts in this list about vo and siri > not working properly together. Does it really prove to be > inconvenient? > 2. text dictation. > I read that there is an option to say the text we wish to type in an > edit field on pressing a microphone button on the keyboard. Is this > only in the messages app or works in any edit field (even in 3rd party > apps like Facebook and whatsapp messenger)? and, how is the accuracy > of the recognition? > 3. Looktel apps on 3GS vs 4S > I am planning to purchase the money reader and the recognizer in the > near future. Is there a significant performance difference in terms of > recognition time and accuracy? > 4. VO and battery in 3Gs vs 4S > since updating to iOs5, VO lags quite often. It responds late when I > move my finger on the touch keyboard and by the time I remove my > finger, it enters a different character from what I actually intended > to enter. Does this happen in the 4S too? and how is the battery life > of the phone after the 5.1 update? > Your suggestions would be of great value and will help me in making > the right choice. > Thank you for reading this long list of questions. > Regards > Venkatesh > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPhone 4S: is it really awesome?
Hi, I won't be able to answer all your questions as I don't use the iPhone 4S, but I can answer your first question. I was recently trying out Siri on a cousin's iPhone. And, frankly, I was a little disappointed. This was because of 2 main reasons: First, Siri has a hard time understanding the Indian accent. They say that the accuracy of the results depends on the clarity of your voice and not your accent, but I personally found it really hard to communicate with Siri. And a few of my friends who've tried it have also had similar experiences. And, secondly, it doesn't contain any information about India. I searched for restaurants, multiplexes, malls, etc, but it didn't have any information regarding any of them. However,you can get better results if you try asking it to search the web for places in India. So, those are my views. I don't want to discourage you in any way, but, like you correctly said, the 4S is pretty expensive here, so I just thought I should let you know about my experience. And, lastly, I would be extremely grateful if you would be kind enough to reply to my mail which I had sent to you a few days ago. Cheers, Rahul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Lion DiskMaker makes it easier to create a bootable Lion installer
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Re: iPhone 4S: is it really awesome?
1. I can't speak for Siri myself, but here in the UK I know it can't help you locate businesses for example restaurants. 2. I believe the text dictation feature works for all except password text fields for obvious reasons. 3. The camera on the 4s is 8 megapixel compared to the 3gs which is only 3. So performance will no doubt be a huge improvement. There is also a front facing camera which is useful for features like Facetime. 4. I can't comment on VoiceOver and Siri interacting together sorry. 5. Because of the dual core A5 processor in the 4s, I have no doubts that VoiceOver will be very responsive on the 4s compared to the 3gs. 6. Can't comment on the battery sorry. I have heard in the past that there were battery issues on some iPhone 4s. Hope any or all of this helps. Christopher Hallsworth On 08/05/2012 20:16, Venkatesh Potluri wrote: Hi listers. I am currently using an iPhone 3Gs. I am considering to get a new 4S. I have a few questions. I am sorry for a long email. the 4S is an expensive purchase so I wish to be very sure before I decide. 1. I watched many videos of siri. from that, I learn it is really good in speech recognition. well, since you will be using it daily, what do you think about it's recognition capabilities? How good is it at texting? I also saw a couple of posts in this list about vo and siri not working properly together. Does it really prove to be inconvenient? 2. text dictation. I read that there is an option to say the text we wish to type in an edit field on pressing a microphone button on the keyboard. Is this only in the messages app or works in any edit field (even in 3rd party apps like Facebook and whatsapp messenger)? and, how is the accuracy of the recognition? 3. Looktel apps on 3GS vs 4S I am planning to purchase the money reader and the recognizer in the near future. Is there a significant performance difference in terms of recognition time and accuracy? 4. VO and battery in 3Gs vs 4S since updating to iOs5, VO lags quite often. It responds late when I move my finger on the touch keyboard and by the time I remove my finger, it enters a different character from what I actually intended to enter. Does this happen in the 4S too? and how is the battery life of the phone after the 5.1 update? Your suggestions would be of great value and will help me in making the right choice. Thank you for reading this long list of questions. Regards Venkatesh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: anyone use Keynote?
Hi Philippa, Chris, and Others, I think the recommendation for presentations with Keynote is to export the presentation as a PDF file using the "Export…" option that can be selected from either the "File" menu or the "Share" menu on the Keynote menu bar, choose an output format of PDF, and then display the PDF output using the free app named "Skim". Skim has been described as "Preview on steroids". It is similar to Preview, but has additional features. One of these features is a "Presentation mode" for displaying presentation slides in PDF format created by applications such as PowerPoint, Keynote, Open Office, or TeX slide packages such as Beamer. To enter presentation mode, use the shortcut Command-Option-P, or else go to the "View" menu to select this. You can also set up your transition options with Command-Control-T. Note that presentation mode correctly displays your slides, which the full-screen mode of Preview and Skim does not. And you can read all content with VoiceOver using the PDF version of your presentation this way. This subject was recently discussed on the Mac-access list, and you can read the posted discussions for the thread, "accessing power point presentation on the mac" at the Mail Archive web site for that list. I'll point you to one of the relevant posts: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg09136.html Read down the thread using Control-N to access the next post. If you want to read up the thread use Control-P to access the previous post. Skim is a Sourceforge project, but to find it, and most other Mac programs, do a Google search for this software at the MacUpdate site by using Command-Option-F to move to the Google search bar in Safari, then type "skim macupdate" and press return. The MacUpdate site provides standard format listings of software that includes a short description, basic information on the latest version and its release date, information on whether this is a paid or free app, and direct links to download the program and to visit the developer's site. You can also read comments about the app, and suggestions for alternatives. The MacUpdate page link for Skim is: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/24590/skim HTH. Cheers, Esther On May 8, 2012, at 3:50 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > I found navigation while presenting to be buggy, at least with the usual > 'dual screen' setup. I did find that after starting the presentation > (command-option-p) that if I command-tab away from keynote and then > command-tab back again VO focus seems to clear up and I can then navigate all > the buttons and find the presenter's notes. Before that it was just weird and > I couldn't find much of anything. Hope this works for you. > > CB > > On 5/8/12 7:36 AM, Philippa Woodcraft wrote: >> hi. just trying to use keynote to do a presentation. i've added some >> presenter notes but I can't find them with the VO curser when i play the >> slide show. anyone haveany ideas? i've chosen "show presenter notes" in the >> view menu but no difference. >> many thanks. Philippa >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Curious trash/deleted mail issue.
Yep, go to your gmail account on the web and delet all your messages by hand, screen by agonizing screen. It's what I had to do, finally. things in my mail world still aren't acting as they used to, but are more normal then before. also, make sure you read that good article robert Carter sent awhile back-I dug through the archives for it, but it did help some as well as what I said above about actually going to the web part of google and doing the deletion by hand. If you have a lot of messages, things just might be stuck somehow. I had a ton, so who knows? hth, Caitlyn On 2012-05-07, at 11:21 AM, ShamelessFanGirl wrote: > Hello Listers, > > My issue is this: each time I perform the cmd/shift delete command to empty > my trash in mail, it seems not to take. In other words, I can continue doing > that command all day if I desire, and it will behave as if there are messages > to delete. All three accounts are gmail, and when I go to deleted > messages/trash, these tables are empty of messages. Bizarre for sure, and I'm > curious what, if anything I can do about it, and/or if any of you have seen > this before. > > Thanks guys, and have a good one > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
mail problems, anyone?
Hi, Is anyone else having problems with mail acting sluggish with gmail lately? For instance, I use the vo j command to read my messages, and I use the new view and lots of times lately, if there are several messages in a conversation, after I read the first message in the conversation, I hit delete and instead of going on to the next message as mail used to do, it just sits there. If I use vo j to go back to the messages column, the count is one less message then before, but when I go back into the conversation, the message I just read is still there. Anybody know what's going on? This is frustrating! thanks, Caitlyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
iPhone 4S: is it really awesome?
Hi listers. I am currently using an iPhone 3Gs. I am considering to get a new 4S. I have a few questions. I am sorry for a long email. the 4S is an expensive purchase so I wish to be very sure before I decide. 1. I watched many videos of siri. from that, I learn it is really good in speech recognition. well, since you will be using it daily, what do you think about it's recognition capabilities? How good is it at texting? I also saw a couple of posts in this list about vo and siri not working properly together. Does it really prove to be inconvenient? 2. text dictation. I read that there is an option to say the text we wish to type in an edit field on pressing a microphone button on the keyboard. Is this only in the messages app or works in any edit field (even in 3rd party apps like Facebook and whatsapp messenger)? and, how is the accuracy of the recognition? 3. Looktel apps on 3GS vs 4S I am planning to purchase the money reader and the recognizer in the near future. Is there a significant performance difference in terms of recognition time and accuracy? 4. VO and battery in 3Gs vs 4S since updating to iOs5, VO lags quite often. It responds late when I move my finger on the touch keyboard and by the time I remove my finger, it enters a different character from what I actually intended to enter. Does this happen in the 4S too? and how is the battery life of the phone after the 5.1 update? Your suggestions would be of great value and will help me in making the right choice. Thank you for reading this long list of questions. Regards Venkatesh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Getting live regions on a web page to automatically speak?
It's a toggle switch. Turns monitoring on or off. HTH. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On May 8, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote: > Hi, > I have made a hot spot and set it to monitor the activity taking place. This > seems to be working. Only question I have is how do I stop the monitoring if > I want too? Do I have to remove the hot spot? > > Thanks, > > Doug > > On 2012-05-07, at 11:55 PM, Daniela Rubio wrote: > >> Have you tried making a hotspot and monitoring it? >> >> SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T. >> MACNETICOS, APPLE Y ACCESIBILIDAD A TU ALCANCE. >> EN TWITTER: @macneticos >> NUESTRO BLOG EN: >> www.macneticus.blogspot.com >> Y EL PODCAST EN:` >> http://macneticos.libsyn.com >> >> >> >> El 07/05/2012, a las 15:22, Doug Lawlor escribió: >> >>> Hello list: >>> I am working with a binary options broker who has live regions on their web >>> site that update with pricing information. I can find the region and get it >>> to speak by arrowing over it using quickNav. I'm sure VO/left and right >>> arrows will do the same thing. The problem I am having is when I'm focused >>> on this region VoiceOver does not speak it as it's being updated. I have >>> Live regions enabled in the Web tab of the VoiceOver utility. Anyone else >>> have any pointers on this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Getting live regions on a web page to automatically speak?
Hi, I have made a hot spot and set it to monitor the activity taking place. This seems to be working. Only question I have is how do I stop the monitoring if I want too? Do I have to remove the hot spot? Thanks, Doug On 2012-05-07, at 11:55 PM, Daniela Rubio wrote: > Have you tried making a hotspot and monitoring it? > > SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T. > MACNETICOS, APPLE Y ACCESIBILIDAD A TU ALCANCE. > EN TWITTER: @macneticos > NUESTRO BLOG EN: > www.macneticus.blogspot.com > Y EL PODCAST EN:` > http://macneticos.libsyn.com > > > > El 07/05/2012, a las 15:22, Doug Lawlor escribió: > >> Hello list: >> I am working with a binary options broker who has live regions on their web >> site that update with pricing information. I can find the region and get it >> to speak by arrowing over it using quickNav. I'm sure VO/left and right >> arrows will do the same thing. The problem I am having is when I'm focused >> on this region VoiceOver does not speak it as it's being updated. I have >> Live regions enabled in the Web tab of the VoiceOver utility. Anyone else >> have any pointers on this? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Doug >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: anyone use Keynote?
Are you sure you have it turned on in the Presenter's Display? Showing them in the view menu doesn't mean they will be shown when you are presenting. Turn this on by going to Preferences (command-comma) and then find Presenter Display in the toolbar. Select that and then navigate to the list of checkboxes. In there should be a "Notes" checkbox which needs to be checked to show your presenter's notes in the presenter's display. CB On 5/8/12 11:33 AM, Philippa Woodcraft wrote: hi. thanks, I tried this but no luck. more suggestions? On May 8, 2:50 pm, Chris Blouch wrote: I found navigation while presenting to be buggy, at least with the usual 'dual screen' setup. I did find that after starting the presentation (command-option-p) that if I command-tab away from keynote and then command-tab back again VO focus seems to clear up and I can then navigate all the buttons and find the presenter's notes. Before that it was just weird and I couldn't find much of anything. Hope this works for you. CB On 5/8/12 7:36 AM, Philippa Woodcraft wrote: hi. just trying to use keynote to do a presentation. i've added some presenter notes but I can't find them with the VO curser when i play the slide show. anyone haveany ideas? i've chosen "show presenter notes" in the view menu but no difference. many thanks. Philippa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Sysdiagnose Folder Keeps Opening Spontaneously In Finder
Thanks, Chris. No, I didn't type it at all, that I can tell. Mostly, I'm not even using the keyboard when it happens. Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/macvisionaries/-/ayqYkYXbljQJ. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: anyone use Keynote?
hi. thanks, I tried this but no luck. more suggestions? On May 8, 2:50 pm, Chris Blouch wrote: > I found navigation while presenting to be buggy, at least with the usual > 'dual screen' setup. I did find that after starting the presentation > (command-option-p) that if I command-tab away from keynote and then > command-tab back again VO focus seems to clear up and I can then > navigate all the buttons and find the presenter's notes. Before that it > was just weird and I couldn't find much of anything. Hope this works for > you. > > CB > > On 5/8/12 7:36 AM, Philippa Woodcraft wrote: > > > > > > > > > hi. just trying to use keynote to do a presentation. i've added some > > presenter notes but I can't find them with the VO curser when i play the > > slide show. anyone haveany ideas? i've chosen "show presenter notes" in the > > view menu but no difference. > > many thanks. Philippa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Getting live regions on a web page to automatically speak?
I went to reproduce the issue and ran into another one. For some reason
I can't get aria-atomic="false" working in Safari with Voiceover. I have
a container on a page like this:
and I stuff random numbers in there once every three seconds with a
javascript method like this:
function update(){
var r,f,d=document;
//Create a 5 digit random number
r=(""+Math.random()).substr(2,5);
//Create a span with the new entry and append it to the list
f=d.createElement("span");
f.innerHTML=r+"";
//Add it to the chat log
d.getElementById("box1").appendChild(f)
//Do it again in a little while
setTimeout("update()",3000);
}
What I expected was that as each number was injected into box1 the live
region stuff would cause VO to read it. What actually happened was that
all the numbers were read. This would be the equivalent of setting
aria-atome="true" but it's supposed to default to "false". Event setting
atomic="false" had no effect. Running this same demo on Jaws on Firefox
on Windows 7 works just fine as does NVDA. So is seems like there is
some kind of basic VO live-region weirdness.
CB
On 5/7/12 4:22 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote:
Hello list:
I am working with a binary options broker who has live regions on their web
site that update with pricing information. I can find the region and get it to
speak by arrowing over it using quickNav. I'm sure VO/left and right arrows
will do the same thing. The problem I am having is when I'm focused on this
region VoiceOver does not speak it as it's being updated. I have Live regions
enabled in the Web tab of the VoiceOver utility. Anyone else have any pointers
on this?
Thanks,
Doug
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Re: Sysdiagnose Folder Keeps Opening Spontaneously In Finder
Never heard of this before. Apparently there is a sysdiagnose command in terminal which dumps a pile of system information into a set of files with the idea that you could send it to Apple to help resolve some issue. So this doesn't sound like something normally used, not to mention something that should just be auto-launching. By default the output is stored in the hidden folder "var" in a sub folder called "tmp" with a name that looks something like this: sysdiagnose_May.08.2012_10-00-06.tar.gz Ahhh, here's a possibility: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3310720?start=0&tstart=0 Apparently sysdiagnose can be triggered by the key combination of control-option-command-shift-period Any possibility you typed something like this? CB On 5/8/12 3:41 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, Ricardo, It's been happening for quite a while, despite restarting the machine many times. I probably saw the first instance a few months ago. Now, I think it's happening more often, though. Teresa "Slow down; you'll get there faster." On May 8, 2012, at 12:20 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Ah! Have you tried restarting the machine? I know its a pretty obvious thing to do but, hey, I miss the obvious all the time. lol Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 8, 2012, at 3:09 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, Ricardo, I haven't done anything yet, because I've had no bright ideas. Or other ideas, for that matter. :) Teresa "On the other hand, there are different fingers." On May 7, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, What have you done so far to try to get rid of this so people don't suggest things you've already tried. Thanks. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 7, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, all, This problem is driving me slightly bonkers. I go on my merry way doing various tasks on my Mac Mini, and Finder pops up with Sysdiagnose folder open and a file highlighted. This causes VO to lose focus on whatever I'm trying to accomplish at the moment. Does anyone have any ideas? I have not a clue what to do from here. Thanks, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: anyone use Keynote?
I found navigation while presenting to be buggy, at least with the usual 'dual screen' setup. I did find that after starting the presentation (command-option-p) that if I command-tab away from keynote and then command-tab back again VO focus seems to clear up and I can then navigate all the buttons and find the presenter's notes. Before that it was just weird and I couldn't find much of anything. Hope this works for you. CB On 5/8/12 7:36 AM, Philippa Woodcraft wrote: hi. just trying to use keynote to do a presentation. i've added some presenter notes but I can't find them with the VO curser when i play the slide show. anyone haveany ideas? i've chosen "show presenter notes" in the view menu but no difference. many thanks. Philippa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
anyone use Keynote?
hi. just trying to use keynote to do a presentation. i've added some presenter notes but I can't find them with the VO curser when i play the slide show. anyone haveany ideas? i've chosen "show presenter notes" in the view menu but no difference. many thanks. Philippa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: ColorVisor, color identifier for iPhone
Many thanks jan I look forward to it whenever this can happen Lisette Sent from my iPod On 8/05/2012, at 6:35 PM, Jan Blüher wrote: > Hallo Lisett, > > I am planing to make the ColorVisor available in more Stores and New Zealand > is also on the list. Please give me some time. I will let you know ... > > Greetings > > Jan > > --- > ColorVisor - The app to identify colors. > Now available on the iTunes App Store: > http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8&ls=1 > --- > Dr. Jan Blüher > visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone > Bayreuther Str. 2 > D-01187 Dresden > Germany > > phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907 > mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242 > e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com > web: http://visorApps.com > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps > > tax number: DE281706766 > > > > > Am 08.05.2012 um 03:05 schrieb Lisette wesseling: > >> Hi >> This Question is to the developer of this app. Will it be made available on >> other iTunes stores worldwide? It appears not to be available in the New >> Zealand iTunes store. >> >> Lisette >> >> On 8/05/2012, at 7:17 AM, Cheree Heppe wrote: >> >>> Cheree Heppe here: >>> >>> If somebody designed and published an accessible website creator, this >>> would be a significant empowerment tool for blind consumers. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Cheree Heppe >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Jan Blüher >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:00 >>> Subject: ColorVisor, color identifier for iPhone >>> >>> Hallo MacVisionaries, >>> >>> my name is Jan Blueher. I'm a blind developer of iPhone and iPad apps. My >>> app ColorVisor is a color identifier that blind people may use for their >>> needs. VoiceOver is fully supported. >>> >>> You will find the app on the App Store at >>> http://iTunes.com/app/ColorVisor >>> >>> More information about the app can be found on my web site at >>> http://visorApps.com/en/ColorVisor/ >>> >>> and there is an AppleVis app test at >>> http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/colorvisor >>> >>> Every feedback to the ColorVisor and questions about app development in >>> general are very much appreciated. >>> >>> Greetings from Dresden (Germany) >>> >>> Jan Blueher >>> >>> --- >>> ColorVisor - The app to identify colors. >>> Now available on the iTunes App Store: >>> http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8&ls=1 >>> --- >>> Dr. Jan Blüher >>> visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone >>> Bayreuther Str. 2 >>> D-01187 Dresden >>> Germany >>> >>> phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907 >>> mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242 >>> e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com >>> web: http://visorApps.com >>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps >>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps >>> >>> tax number: DE281706766 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group >>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Sysdiagnose Folder Keeps Opening Spontaneously In Finder
Hi, Ricardo, It's been happening for quite a while, despite restarting the machine many times. I probably saw the first instance a few months ago. Now, I think it's happening more often, though. Teresa "Slow down; you'll get there faster." On May 8, 2012, at 12:20 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Ah! > > Have you tried restarting the machine? I know its a pretty obvious thing to > do but, hey, I miss the obvious all the time. lol > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On May 8, 2012, at 3:09 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > >> Hi, Ricardo, >> >> I haven't done anything yet, because I've had no bright ideas. Or other >> ideas, for that matter. :) >> >> Teresa >> >> "On the other hand, there are different fingers." >> >> On May 7, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> What have you done so far to try to get rid of this so people don't suggest >>> things you've already tried. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>> www.appletothecore.info >>> >>> On May 7, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Teresa Cochran >>> wrote: >>> Hi, all, This problem is driving me slightly bonkers. I go on my merry way doing various tasks on my Mac Mini, and Finder pops up with Sysdiagnose folder open and a file highlighted. This causes VO to lose focus on whatever I'm trying to accomplish at the moment. Does anyone have any ideas? I have not a clue what to do from here. Thanks, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Sysdiagnose Folder Keeps Opening Spontaneously In Finder
Ah! Have you tried restarting the machine? I know its a pretty obvious thing to do but, hey, I miss the obvious all the time. lol Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 8, 2012, at 3:09 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Hi, Ricardo, > > I haven't done anything yet, because I've had no bright ideas. Or other > ideas, for that matter. :) > > Teresa > > "On the other hand, there are different fingers." > > On May 7, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> What have you done so far to try to get rid of this so people don't suggest >> things you've already tried. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On May 7, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Teresa Cochran >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, all, >>> >>> This problem is driving me slightly bonkers. I go on my merry way doing >>> various tasks on my Mac Mini, and Finder pops up with Sysdiagnose folder >>> open and a file highlighted. This causes VO to lose focus on whatever I'm >>> trying to accomplish at the moment. >>> >>> Does anyone have any ideas? I have not a clue what to do from here. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Teresa >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Correction: Re: Sysdiagnose File Keeps Being Highlighted Spontaneously In Finder
I should make a correction. It's a temp folder that opens, and various files with the name sysdiagnose (that is, for those not spelling it out, s-y-s-d-i-ay-g-n-o-s-e) along with a date. Thanks, Teresa I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan. On May 8, 2012, at 12:09 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Hi, Ricardo, > > I haven't done anything yet, because I've had no bright ideas. Or other > ideas, for that matter. :) > > Teresa > > "On the other hand, there are different fingers." > > On May 7, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> What have you done so far to try to get rid of this so people don't suggest >> things you've already tried. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On May 7, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Teresa Cochran >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, all, >>> >>> This problem is driving me slightly bonkers. I go on my merry way doing >>> various tasks on my Mac Mini, and Finder pops up with Sysdiagnose folder >>> open and a file highlighted. This causes VO to lose focus on whatever I'm >>> trying to accomplish at the moment. >>> >>> Does anyone have any ideas? I have not a clue what to do from here. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Teresa >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Sysdiagnose Folder Keeps Opening Spontaneously In Finder
Hi, Ricardo, I haven't done anything yet, because I've had no bright ideas. Or other ideas, for that matter. :) Teresa "On the other hand, there are different fingers." On May 7, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > What have you done so far to try to get rid of this so people don't suggest > things you've already tried. > > Thanks. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On May 7, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > >> Hi, all, >> >> This problem is driving me slightly bonkers. I go on my merry way doing >> various tasks on my Mac Mini, and Finder pops up with Sysdiagnose folder >> open and a file highlighted. This causes VO to lose focus on whatever I'm >> trying to accomplish at the moment. >> >> Does anyone have any ideas? I have not a clue what to do from here. >> >> Thanks, >> Teresa >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
