Re: radium

[Mary Otten]

My radium stations are now working as before. But serious is not. Perhaps my 
subscription has run out. I will have to look into that.
Mary


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On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
wrote:

> Hi:
> So glad it isn't just me.
> Thanks
> On Nov 16, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> Radium has been working fine for me, but I just now tried it on my Mac and 
>> I'm getting nothing. When I try my saved sirius/xm stations, it kicks me 
>> into the dialogue where my account info was stored. The info is still there, 
>> but when I hit save, it just puts me back into that same dialogue. And other 
>> saved stations are not playing. I wonder if something is down on Radium's 
>> end somehow. This has been working perfectly, and there have been no updates 
>> that I am aware of. Very weird.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Getting back a forgotten recovery key using file Vault2 and V O

[Nicholas Parsons]

Oh right, well if you chose that option then I guess you're fine. No need to 
worry so long as you can remember the answers to your three questions. I doubt 
you'll forget the password though as you have to enter it every time you turn 
on your Mac.

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Re: apple working on voiceover

[Nicholas Parsons]

I hope they:
• Make VoiceOver announce a messages read/unread status, and the number of 
messages in thread, before the message preview in Mail.
• Stop VoiceOver repeating text in nearby elements in Safari.
• Fix problems with column view in Finder.
• Label unlabelled buttons and images in iBooks.

On 17/11/2013, at 3:49 PM, jean parker  wrote:

Hello:
If there are any beta testers on this list for the upcoming release, the one I 
most hope they fix is in Safari.  Command left bracket and command left arrow 
go back a page but you don't land in the place where you left off.  This is 
really annoying.
Jean

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New Member and a question

[George Cham]

Hello,
My name is George, and I’ve just joined the group.
I’ve been using the mac  since February this year.
My Question is this.

How do i add or remove mailboxes from the favorites bar in apple mail in 
mavericks using voiceover  ?
 

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apple working on voiceover

[jean parker]

Hello:
If there are any beta testers on this list for the upcoming release, the one I 
most hope they fix is in Safari.  Command left bracket and command left arrow 
go back a page but you don't land in the place where you left off.  This is 
really annoying.
Jean

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Re: Getting back a forgotten recovery key using file Vault2 and V O

[Daniel C]

Strange. It has an option to store the key with apple so why wouldn’t they keep 
it.
As far as the login, it only does it at first boot, if it awakes from sleep, it 
uses regular voice over. Otherwise the beep method. It scared me at first, but 
i got it right the first time.
VO+shift+c, good keystroke for me to remember. I’ll retry file vault if I can. 
Though as I said, it’s odd that they have an option to store the key with 
apple. I was told they encrypt the key and if you answer the 3 questions you 
chose, then they’d give you the key.

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Re: Getting back a forgotten recovery key using file Vault2 and V O

[Nicholas Parsons]

In Mountain Lion I was able to copy the key using VO-Shift-C, to copy the last 
spoken phrase. You should be able to use this—it's a great one to remember when 
VO can't interact and select text to be copied.

Apple will not be able to email you the key as Apple does not keep any copy for 
security purposes. So if you didn't copy it or write it down that first time 
you won't be able to get it back. Instead of getting the key, just write your 
password down somewhere safe where you won't forget it. Somewhere like 
1Password would be good as it will be encrypted and you can access it from 
places other than your Mac, such as an iOS device. You might also like to just 
save it in a text file somewhere like Dropbox, only don't indicate in any way 
what it is (e.g. don't say File Volt Password, just write it somewhere you'll 
know where to look, and even disguise it some way if you can). If your memory 
is good, then I'd recommend not actually writing the password, just writing 
down a good hint that you know will remind you of it if you one day forget.

Though I started to set up File Volt, I chickened out when it told me VoiceOver 
wouldn't work properly on the login screen. How easy is it to login with that 
beep method? And is that every time you login? Does it happen even at the login 
screen when the Mac wakes from sleep, or only when first booting up?

Cheers,
Nic

On 17/11/2013, at 2:04 PM, Daniel C  wrote:

I haven’t lost the password, yet, though i really wanted to write down the key 
and couldn’t. So I’ll need to call AppleCare and ask them for the key and email 
it to myself. How were you able to copy the key? When I am able to generate a 
new key I’ll try your way of copying to see if it changed or not. Hopefully, 
though, it hasn’t changed.

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Re: Getting back a forgotten recovery key using file Vault2 and V O

[Daniel C]

I haven’t lost the password, yet, though i really wanted to write down the key 
and couldn’t. So I’ll need to call AppleCare and ask them for the key and email 
it to myself. How were you able to copy the key? When I am able to generate a 
new key I’ll try your way of copying to see if it changed or not. Hopefully, 
though, it hasn’t changed.

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Re: Getting back a forgotten recovery key using file Vault2 and V O

[Cheryl Homiak]

Did you lose your password? You only need the key if you've lost your password 
which you would have made up. And actually I did find some way to copy the 
recovery key but maybe that was an older version of filevault and things have 
changed.

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On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Daniel C  wrote:

> Hey list,
> I’ve enabled File Vault2, a way to encrypt your disk with sensitive 
> information or other info. But the recovery key I couldn’t write down as 
> there is no way of interacting with VO to copy the text of the key. So now, I 
> no longer have the key anywhere, and VO has a beep prompt at login because 
> the voiceover service does not fully come on when a disk is encrypted with 
> File Vault2 enabled. The only thing I get is 1 beep to tell me that I’m on a 
> username field, 2 beeps to indicate I’m on a password field, and 3 if I login 
> correctly.
> So my question is. Has anyone who use V O and who may have enabled File 
> vault2 experienced this recovery key issue? If so, how did you get around it?
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Getting back a forgotten recovery key using file Vault2 and V O

[Daniel C]

Hey list,
I’ve enabled File Vault2, a way to encrypt your disk with sensitive information 
or other info. But the recovery key I couldn’t write down as there is no way of 
interacting with VO to copy the text of the key. So now, I no longer have the 
key anywhere, and VO has a beep prompt at login because the voiceover service 
does not fully come on when a disk is encrypted with File Vault2 enabled. The 
only thing I get is 1 beep to tell me that I’m on a username field, 2 beeps to 
indicate I’m on a password field, and 3 if I login correctly.
So my question is. Has anyone who use V O and who may have enabled File vault2 
experienced this recovery key issue? If so, how did you get around it?

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Re: mail being marked as read

[Rob]

The Apple tech did a remote session and told me how to close the preview 
pain but it didn't help.


Thanks,
Rob
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On 11/16/2013 8:41 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Have you disabled the preview pane in mail? It is a bit tricky to do it first, 
but it should solve your problem.
On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Rob  wrote:


Dear List,
Using Mountain Lion, as I arrow up and down the list of email messages, VO is 
causing them to be marked as read.
The reason I know that it is Voice over, is that turning off VO and arrowing up 
down the list did not cause the mail to be marked as read.
after about an hour phone call with Apple Accessibility, they suggested I 
change settings in VO Utility settings.
1. tell mouse to ignore VO cursor
and 2. keyboard not to follow VO cursor.
They also told me to use quick Nav.
While this solved the mail being marked as read, it made it hard to open a 
message because the VO cursor was not on the same message as the keyboard focus.
so I switched the VO settings back to the way they were.
It seems like I will have to live with the problem of mail being marked as read 
just by arrowing up or down the list,
unless you have any suggestions?


Thanks,
Rob
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Re: mail being marked as read

[Alex Hall]

Have you disabled the preview pane in mail? It is a bit tricky to do it first, 
but it should solve your problem.
On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Rob  wrote:

> Dear List,
> Using Mountain Lion, as I arrow up and down the list of email messages, VO is 
> causing them to be marked as read.
> The reason I know that it is Voice over, is that turning off VO and arrowing 
> up down the list did not cause the mail to be marked as read.
> after about an hour phone call with Apple Accessibility, they suggested I 
> change settings in VO Utility settings.
> 1. tell mouse to ignore VO cursor
> and 2. keyboard not to follow VO cursor.
> They also told me to use quick Nav.
> While this solved the mail being marked as read, it made it hard to open a 
> message because the VO cursor was not on the same message as the keyboard 
> focus.
> so I switched the VO settings back to the way they were.
> It seems like I will have to live with the problem of mail being marked as 
> read just by arrowing up or down the list,
> unless you have any suggestions?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob
> You can leave me a voice mail or fax at
> 206-426-3505
> "God is good all the time, & All the time God is good"
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Re: radium

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
So glad it isn't just me.
Thanks
On Nov 16, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Radium has been working fine for me, but I just now tried it on my Mac and 
> I'm getting nothing. When I try my saved sirius/xm stations, it kicks me into 
> the dialogue where my account info was stored. The info is still there, but 
> when I hit save, it just puts me back into that same dialogue. And other 
> saved stations are not playing. I wonder if something is down on Radium's end 
> somehow. This has been working perfectly, and there have been no updates that 
> I am aware of. Very weird.
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
> 
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mail being marked as read

[Rob]

Dear List,
Using Mountain Lion, as I arrow up and down the list of email messages, 
VO is causing them to be marked as read.
The reason I know that it is Voice over, is that turning off VO and 
arrowing up down the list did not cause the mail to be marked as read.
after about an hour phone call with Apple Accessibility, they suggested 
I change settings in VO Utility settings.

1. tell mouse to ignore VO cursor
and 2. keyboard not to follow VO cursor.
They also told me to use quick Nav.
While this solved the mail being marked as read, it made it hard to open 
a message because the VO cursor was not on the same message as the 
keyboard focus.

so I switched the VO settings back to the way they were.
It seems like I will have to live with the problem of mail being marked 
as read just by arrowing up or down the list,

unless you have any suggestions?


Thanks,
Rob
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206-426-3505
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Re: Safari 2 items, 3 items and internal link?

[Nicholas Parsons]

The two items three items thing you're hearing is most likely lists with 
several items. Whenever VoiceOver encounters a list or sub-list, it announces 
how many items are in the list. I agree it's overly verbose and not really 
necessary. It's VoiceOver treating the HTML  and  tags as a separate 
element, which it's not. I wish there was a way to make VoiceOver read a 
paragraph or whole HTML element at a time without being interrupted by links 
and the like. I like the way I can navigate through webpages with JAWS on 
Internet Explorer with control down arrow — I wish there was something similar 
with VoiceOver.

For internal links, however, it's important that VoiceOver distinguishes these 
from ordinary links. Ordinary links take you to another webpage, whereas 
internal links take you somewhere else on the webpage you are currently on. 
They are usually used to navigate from the top of the page to the start of the 
main article or substance of the page. You probably come across those on many 
pages called skip to main internal link and the like.

Best,
Nic


On 17/11/2013, at 7:53 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Well, if you interact with the two items and three items things, you will 
notice that you can see items on the page that you cannot see without 
interacting with those items.  Not everything on the page is visible on the 
surface look of the page.  So, if you see an item with a label on it that says 
something like info tab with five items, and you interact with it, you will 
notice things there that you would not see until you interact with it.  Why?  
Much of it has to do with the way the page is written and how Voice Over is 
seeing that code.  So, in other words, it’s not a bug, rather, it’s got to do 
with the new designing of pages and how we interact with it.  Same with the 
internal links.  I suspect that clicking on these internal links reveals parts 
of the page that could not otherwise be seen.  the web is not going to stand 
still for our benefit.  It’s changing, and, the way Voice Over sees and deals 
with the code must change with it and, frankly, so must our old and now 
outdated perceptions of how we understand the web.


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On Nov 16, 2013, at 1:57 PM, Daniel McGee  wrote:

> Hi all, with Safari, anyone no why on earth we get with Voiceover 2 items, 3 
> items oh and lets not forget that internal link now and then.
> 
> I don't know if its me but these little things in Safari are starting to get 
> on my nerves.
> Guess you could say I'm moaning. lol 
> 
> Do they annoy others here. I do filter it out now and then but sometimes I 
> wonder how these bugs creep in. 
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Re: best way to import music into itunes

[Ray Foret Jr]

Alia is quite correct.  IF I’ve got some audio that happens to be flac, (a 
format ITunes happens not to support) no problem.  I just use amadeus pro to 
change it to a .wav file then cause it to be added to ITunes library and have 
ITunes make a .4ma file out of it.


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> IMO the best way is just to open the files you want to play. command O is 
> good for your first run on tons of music, but for new stuff that’s how I’ve 
> begun doing it. 
> 
> Alia
> On 16 Nov 2013, at 9:42 am, Kevin Shaw  wrote:
> 
>> I have made an alias of the Automatically add to iTunes folder and it sits 
>> on my desktop. I drop files on there. Command O works as well from within 
>> the program.
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Re: best way to import music into itunes

[alia robinson]

IMO the best way is just to open the files you want to play. command O is good 
for your first run on tons of music, but for new stuff that’s how I’ve begun 
doing it. 

Alia
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> I have made an alias of the Automatically add to iTunes folder and it sits on 
> my desktop. I drop files on there. Command O works as well from within the 
> program.

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Re: OT Great news: OS X 10.9.1 to focus on VoiceOver improvements, among other things. http://goo.gl/qkBRKh Great news: OS X 10.9.1 to focus on VoiceOver improvements, among other things

[mario navarro]

ah ok.
Now I read the information better, that's what you told me.

thanks friend.
cheers.
Em 16/11/2013 19:15, Ray Foret Jr escreveu:
I think you are confused.  The message did not say that 10.9.1 was 
coming out this coming friday.  It says that this past Friday, a beta 
was released to developers.  Frankly, I wonder whehter this should 
have been posted.



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On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:42 PM, mario navarro > wrote:




great, I've been waiting for this.
I hope the team has fix all issues.

 all those that were identified and reported
I hope so ...

we will wait until friday.
we are here to help as we always do in this beta update.
cheers.
Em 16/11/2013 03:43, Nicholas Parsons escreveu:
Apple asks developers to focus on Mail, Graphics in first Mavericks 
10.9.1 beta 

Apple on Friday supplied its development community with the first 
beta of OS X 10.9.1 Mavericks, a forthcoming maintenance and 
security update for the Mac operating system, and has asked testers 
to focus their efforts on Mail, Graphics, and VoiceOver.


Mavericks

People familiar with the first OS X 10.9.1 beta said it is 
identified as "build 13B27." The pre-release software is intended 
for testing purposes, and is not yet finalized for public release.


OS X 10.9.1 will presumably mark the first update for Mavericks 
since it debuted on the Mac App Store for free in late October 
. 
All Mac users with compatible systems running Snow Leopard or above 
can upgrade to Mavericks 
 
at no cost.


A minor update for Mavericks was issued last week 
 
to patch an issue with the native Mail app for Gmail users. It was 
issued via the Mac App Store.


Mavericks, named after a Northern California surf spot, brings 
several new features to the OS X operating system, though Apple also 
paid considerable attention to enhancing performance and battery 
life with its latest major release. Stats published soon after the 
release of Mavericks found that public adoption was three times 
faster 
 
than that of Apple's $20 Mountain Lion upgrade from 2012.


As Apple prepares its first maintenance update for Mavericks, the 
company is also working on 
 
its next major OS X release, version 10.10. Traffic data to 
/AppleInsider/ published earlier this month revealed that testing of 
the unnamed future operating system has been growing steadily.




Source: 
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/15/apples-asks-developers-to-focus-on-mail-graphics-in-first-mavericks-1091-beta


(via Mr. Reader )


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adding a bluetooth device

[don bishop]

I’ve done this before but for the life of me I can’t remember what I did.  
Using Mavericks I want to connect my big jambox as a speaker but can’t remember 
what I do in system preferences/bluetooth to do this.
Could someone please refresh my memory?  Maybe it’s just late in the week.  
 
Using an imac.  

Thanks,

Don


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problems type2phone on mavericks with iphone 4 with ios7

[Anouk Radix]

Hello,
In the past I have used type2phone on my mac mostly to search on spotify on ios 
since i dont have an external bt keyboard.
Now htat i have mavericks and ios 7 it does not work so well anymore though, i 
often get multiple letters entered when i only type one mostly at the beginning 
of a searchfield but sometimes also on othe rlocations.
Are there others with this problem and ar

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Re: Deleting Mail From Gmail site

[Chris Moore]

Cait,
Thanks for the tip.  On my Mavericks system the checkbox for moving deleted 
message to trash is dimmed.  But the other settings seem to work.

Chris
On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Caitlyn furness  wrote:

> go intomail prefs on your mac.  go to the accounts section and pick gmail.  
> then, go to the mailbox behaviours tab and in there you can pick what you 
> want mail to do with the messages.  It’s a pop up button and you can pick 
> deletion on closing mail, keep deleted messages for one day, a week, a month, 
> or the first option.  Also, make sure your deleted messages are going into 
> the trash and not being archived.  You can check this in this same tab.
> hth,
> Cait
> 
> On Nov 16, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Jane  wrote:
> 
>>  I have Mail on my Mac and iPad and on the GMail server set to iMap. for 
>> some reason, when I tell Mail to delete stuff, it doesn't delete it, it just 
>> holds it. I can see the emails in the deleted items folder--over six 
>> thousand messages, but I don't see how to reliably delete them on Gmail 
>> using the Mac. Does anyone have suggestions?
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
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Re: Safari 2 items, 3 items and internal link?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Well, if you interact with the two items and three items things, you will 
notice that you can see items on the page that you cannot see without 
interacting with those items.  Not everything on the page is visible on the 
surface look of the page.  So, if you see an item with a label on it that says 
something like info tab with five items, and you interact with it, you will 
notice things there that you would not see until you interact with it.  Why?  
Much of it has to do with the way the page is written and how Voice Over is 
seeing that code.  So, in other words, it’s not a bug, rather, it’s got to do 
with the new designing of pages and how we interact with it.  Same with the 
internal links.  I suspect that clicking on these internal links reveals parts 
of the page that could not otherwise be seen.  the web is not going to stand 
still for our benefit.  It’s changing, and, the way Voice Over sees and deals 
with the code must change with it and, frankly, so must our old and now 
outdated perceptions of how we understand the web.


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On Nov 16, 2013, at 1:57 PM, Daniel McGee  wrote:

> Hi all, with Safari, anyone no why on earth we get with Voiceover 2 items, 3 
> items oh and lets not forget that internal link now and then.
> 
> I don't know if its me but these little things in Safari are starting to get 
> on my nerves.
> Guess you could say I'm moaning. lol 
> 
> Do they annoy others here. I do filter it out now and then but sometimes I 
> wonder how these bugs creep in. 
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Safari 2 items, 3 items and internal link?

[Daniel McGee]

Hi all, with Safari, anyone no why on earth we get with Voiceover 2 items, 3 
items oh and lets not forget that internal link now and then.

I don't know if its me but these little things in Safari are starting to get on 
my nerves.
Guess you could say I'm moaning. lol 

Do they annoy others here. I do filter it out now and then but sometimes I 
wonder how these bugs creep in. 

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Re: OT Great news: OS X 10.9.1 to focus on VoiceOver improvements, among other things. http://goo.gl/qkBRKh Great news: OS X 10.9.1 to focus on VoiceOver improvements, among other things

[Daniel McGee]

Its on the Mac rumours site too.
www.macrumors.com
Ray just out of interest why do you think they shouldn't of posted it?

I hope they fix the Safari bug where Voiceover keeps repeating everything such 
as links, bulleted items etc.
Yep that one is driving me crazy! Its even present on Mountain Lion. 
So until its fixed, I'm sticking to webkit.
I recommend that all those who are beta testers just keep reminding Apple about 
the bugs politely and professionally though of course.

Wining, cursing etc isn't going to get you any where.

 
On 16 Nov 2013, at 19:15, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> I think you are confused.  The message did not say that 10.9.1 was coming out 
> this coming friday.  It says that this past Friday, a beta was released to 
> developers.  Frankly, I wonder whehter this should have been posted.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:42 PM, mario navarro  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> great, I've been waiting for this.
>> I hope the team has fix all issues.
>> 
>>  all those that were identified and reported
>> I hope so ...
>> 
>> we will wait until friday.
>> we are here to help as we always do in this beta update.
>> cheers.
>> Em 16/11/2013 03:43, Nicholas Parsons escreveu:
>>> Apple asks developers to focus on Mail, Graphics in first Mavericks 10.9.1 
>>> beta
>>> Apple on Friday supplied its development community with the first beta of 
>>> OS X 10.9.1 Mavericks, a forthcoming maintenance and security update for 
>>> the Mac operating system, and has asked testers to focus their efforts on 
>>> Mail, Graphics, and VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> People familiar with the first OS X 10.9.1 beta said it is identified as 
>>> "build 13B27." The pre-release software is intended for testing purposes, 
>>> and is not yet finalized for public release.
>>> 
>>> OS X 10.9.1 will presumably mark the first update for Mavericks since it 
>>> debuted on the Mac App Store for free in late October. All Mac users with 
>>> compatible systems running Snow Leopard or above can upgrade to Mavericks 
>>> at no cost.
>>> 
>>> A minor update for Mavericks was issued last week to patch an issue with 
>>> the native Mail app for Gmail users. It was issued via the Mac App Store.
>>> 
>>> Mavericks, named after a Northern California surf spot, brings several new 
>>> features to the OS X operating system, though Apple also paid considerable 
>>> attention to enhancing performance and battery life with its latest major 
>>> release. Stats published soon after the release of Mavericks found that 
>>> public adoption was three times faster than that of Apple's $20 Mountain 
>>> Lion upgrade from 2012.
>>> 
>>> As Apple prepares its first maintenance update for Mavericks, the company 
>>> is also working on its next major OS X release, version 10.10. Traffic data 
>>> to AppleInsider published earlier this month revealed that testing of the 
>>> unnamed future operating system has been growing steadily.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Source: 
>>> http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/15/apples-asks-developers-to-focus-on-mail-graphics-in-first-mavericks-1091-beta
>>> 
>>> (via Mr. Reader)
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: radium

[Mary Otten]

Radium has been working fine for me, but I just now tried it on my Mac and I'm 
getting nothing. When I try my saved sirius/xm stations, it kicks me into the 
dialogue where my account info was stored. The info is still there, but when I 
hit save, it just puts me back into that same dialogue. And other saved 
stations are not playing. I wonder if something is down on Radium's end 
somehow. This has been working perfectly, and there have been no updates that I 
am aware of. Very weird.

Mary

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Re: OT Great news: OS X 10.9.1 to focus on VoiceOver improvements, among other things. http://goo.gl/qkBRKh Great news: OS X 10.9.1 to focus on VoiceOver improvements, among other things

[Ray Foret Jr]

I think you are confused.  The message did not say that 10.9.1 was coming out 
this coming friday.  It says that this past Friday, a beta was released to 
developers.  Frankly, I wonder whehter this should have been posted.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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Sincerely,
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On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:42 PM, mario navarro  wrote:

> 
> great, I've been waiting for this.
> I hope the team has fix all issues.
> 
>  all those that were identified and reported
> I hope so ...
> 
> we will wait until friday.
> we are here to help as we always do in this beta update.
> cheers.
> Em 16/11/2013 03:43, Nicholas Parsons escreveu:
>> Apple asks developers to focus on Mail, Graphics in first Mavericks 10.9.1 
>> beta
>> Apple on Friday supplied its development community with the first beta of OS 
>> X 10.9.1 Mavericks, a forthcoming maintenance and security update for the 
>> Mac operating system, and has asked testers to focus their efforts on Mail, 
>> Graphics, and VoiceOver.
>> 
>> 
>> People familiar with the first OS X 10.9.1 beta said it is identified as 
>> "build 13B27." The pre-release software is intended for testing purposes, 
>> and is not yet finalized for public release.
>> 
>> OS X 10.9.1 will presumably mark the first update for Mavericks since it 
>> debuted on the Mac App Store for free in late October. All Mac users with 
>> compatible systems running Snow Leopard or above can upgrade to Mavericks at 
>> no cost.
>> 
>> A minor update for Mavericks was issued last week to patch an issue with the 
>> native Mail app for   Gmail users. It was issued via the Mac App 
>> Store.
>> 
>> Mavericks, named after a Northern California surf spot, brings several new 
>> features to the OS X operating system, though Apple also paid considerable 
>> attention to enhancing performance and battery life with its latest major 
>> release. Stats published soon after the release of Mavericks found that 
>> public adoption was three times faster than that of Apple's $20 Mountain 
>> Lion upgrade from 2012.
>> 
>> As Apple prepares its first maintenance update for Mavericks, the company is 
>> also working on its next major OS X release, version 10.10. Traffic data to 
>> AppleInsider published earlier this month revealed that testing of the 
>> unnamed future operating system has been growing steadily.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Source: 
>> http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/15/apples-asks-developers-to-focus-on-mail-graphics-in-first-mavericks-1091-beta
>> 
>> (via Mr. Reader)
>> 
>> 
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Re: connecting speaker via bluetooth

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Yes.  go to system preferences/ bluetooth.  Your Mac should already be 
discoverable.  Put your jambox into pairing mode, and it should show up in the 
table of available devices.  Interact with the table, and press the pair button 
for your device.

hth

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Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Nov 16, 2013, at 1:26 PM, don bishop  wrote:

> Hi Les,
> 
> Actually, I was talking about doing it from the mac end; probably wasn’t 
> clear.  How do you get the mac to search for the big jambox and then connect 
> to it?   Is it in systems preferences under bluetooth somewhere?  That’s what 
> I can’t find.
> 
> Don  
> 
> 
> On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:16 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Don,
>> 
>> Under the on/off button is another button.  Hold that button in for a few 
>> seconds until you hear "Jambox is in pairing mode, waiting for device to 
>> connect?.  I know what you mean, I haven't done this procedure for a while 
>> either.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:17 PM, don bishop  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I’ve done this before when running Mountain Lion but not with Mavericks.  
>>> I’m trying to connect my big jambox as a speaker, but for some reason I 
>>> can’t locate how to get the Imac into pairing mode.  
>>> Could someone please refresh my memory?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
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Re: OT Great news: OS X 10.9.1 to focus on VoiceOver improvements, among other things. http://goo.gl/qkBRKh Great news: OS X 10.9.1 to focus on VoiceOver improvements, among other things

[mario navarro]

great, I've been waiting for this.
I hope the team has fix all issues.

 all those that were identified and reported
I hope so ...

we will wait until friday.
we are here to help as we always do in this beta update.
cheers.
Em 16/11/2013 03:43, Nicholas Parsons escreveu:
Apple asks developers to focus on Mail, Graphics in first Mavericks 
10.9.1 beta 

Apple on Friday supplied its development community with the first beta 
of OS X 10.9.1 Mavericks, a forthcoming maintenance and security 
update for the Mac operating system, and has asked testers to focus 
their efforts on Mail, Graphics, and VoiceOver.


Mavericks

People familiar with the first OS X 10.9.1 beta said it is identified 
as "build 13B27." The pre-release software is intended for testing 
purposes, and is not yet finalized for public release.


OS X 10.9.1 will presumably mark the first update for Mavericks since 
it debuted on the Mac App Store for free in late October 
. 
All Mac users with compatible systems running Snow Leopard or above 
can upgrade to Mavericks 
 
at no cost.


A minor update for Mavericks was issued last week 
 
to patch an issue with the native Mail app for Gmail users. It was 
issued via the Mac App Store.


Mavericks, named after a Northern California surf spot, brings several 
new features to the OS X operating system, though Apple also paid 
considerable attention to enhancing performance and battery life with 
its latest major release. Stats published soon after the release of 
Mavericks found that public adoption was three times faster 
 
than that of Apple's $20 Mountain Lion upgrade from 2012.


As Apple prepares its first maintenance update for Mavericks, the 
company is also working on 
 
its next major OS X release, version 10.10. Traffic data to 
/AppleInsider/ published earlier this month revealed that testing of 
the unnamed future operating system has been growing steadily.




Source: 
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/15/apples-asks-developers-to-focus-on-mail-graphics-in-first-mavericks-1091-beta


(via Mr. Reader )


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Re: radium

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I interact with stations, and activate the play button. Noting happens.
On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:

> Hello. 
> I don’t know about the xm-radio issue, however Radium works just fine here. 
> I can play my favorites and can add stations as well. 
> Has there been any recent update that I am not aware of? 
> 
> Nektarios.
> 
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>> Hi:
>> Is Radium no longer accessible? I cannot get stations to play. I also do not 
>> see any of my XM Sirius radio stations in my favorites list.
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Re: radium

[Nektarios Mallas]

Hello. 
I don’t know about the xm-radio issue, however Radium works just fine here. 
I can play my favorites and can add stations as well. 
Has there been any recent update that I am not aware of? 

Nektarios.

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Re: connecting speaker via bluetooth

[don bishop]

Hi Les,

Actually, I was talking about doing it from the mac end; probably wasn’t clear. 
 How do you get the mac to search for the big jambox and then connect to it?   
Is it in systems preferences under bluetooth somewhere?  That’s what I can’t 
find.

Don  


On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:16 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Hi Don,
> 
> Under the on/off button is another button.  Hold that button in for a few 
> seconds until you hear "Jambox is in pairing mode, waiting for device to 
> connect?.  I know what you mean, I haven't done this procedure for a while 
> either.
> 
> Les
> On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:17 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’ve done this before when running Mountain Lion but not with Mavericks.  
>> I’m trying to connect my big jambox as a speaker, but for some reason I 
>> can’t locate how to get the Imac into pairing mode.  
>> Could someone please refresh my memory?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Don
>> 
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radium

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Is Radium no longer accessible? I cannot get stations to play. I also do not 
see any of my XM Sirius radio stations in my favorites list.

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Re: Deleting Mail From Gmail site

[Caitlyn furness]

go intomail prefs on your mac.  go to the accounts section and pick gmail.  
then, go to the mailbox behaviours tab and in there you can pick what you want 
mail to do with the messages.  It’s a pop up button and you can pick deletion 
on closing mail, keep deleted messages for one day, a week, a month, or the 
first option.  Also, make sure your deleted messages are going into the trash 
and not being archived.  You can check this in this same tab.
hth,
Cait

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>   I have Mail on my Mac and iPad and on the GMail server set to iMap. for 
> some reason, when I tell Mail to delete stuff, it doesn't delete it, it just 
> holds it. I can see the emails in the deleted items folder--over six thousand 
> messages, but I don't see how to reliably delete them on Gmail using the Mac. 
> Does anyone have suggestions?
> 
> Jane
> 
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Re: Deleting Mail From Gmail site

[Caitlyn furness]

Are you using pop or imap?

I changed my gmail from imap to pop to fix some irritations I was having and 
now I can’t see the all mail folder from apple mail, either.

Of course, in theory, all my messages now get downloaded instead of staying on 
gmail’s servers.

Alternately, do you have a folder in your mail called gmail or google?  I used 
to have one at the very bottom of the list of mailboxes.  I then had to  expand 
this to get to the boxes on the gmail site such as all mail and spam.

hth,
Cait

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> On a related note, can anyone tell me why I am no longer seeing the all mail 
> folders in Apple Mail for any of my GMail accounts?  I may be in the 
> minority, but I am one of those who wants access to that folder from the Mac.
> On Nov 16, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Jane  wrote:
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> some reason, when I tell Mail to delete stuff, it doesn't delete it, it just 
> holds it. I can see the emails in the deleted items folder--over six thousand 
> messages, but I don't see how to reliably delete them on Gmail using the Mac. 
> Does anyone have suggestions?
> 
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Re: how to read braille files without end-of-line markers

[John Sanfilippo]

I'm not dead certain of this but this is what may be happening:
I think Apple save Unix text files which means line end with just line feed. 
Other OSs save files whose lines end with carriage return and linefeed.

If you want to bother, You might be able to search for carriage returns and 
remove them.

I might do it like this:
in text edit
command f
control q, control m
(that is, first press control q, then press control plus m)
The replacement text should be nothing, or tab to it and make sure it is empty.
Then I think command a will press the replace all button.

Of course, you'll have to do this every time you open an MSDos or similar text, 
Unless there's a quicker fix I do not know about.

Perhaps saving as some specific text format may work.

HTH
John S


On Nov 16, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

Hello there
I haven't tested it lately, but I was successful once in the doing this. 
Believe it or not, the last time I did it, notes doesn't show the end of line 
carriage returns and linefeeds. I even did it with a webr Braille file in notes 
once.
Regards,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> It's driving me nuts too and it shouldn't be necessary! I don't get those 
> with brltty in terminal and I don't get them reading web braille books with 
> the BARD app. I have pointed out the problem to accessibility but maybe I 
> should do it again. It definitely detracts from using braille with voiceover 
> despite the fact that I do appreciate the work that has been done to provide 
> braille access. The thing is: this happens with text files as well as braille 
> files.
> 
> Cheryl Homiak
> cahom...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:44 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I’m trying to read braille files in textedit without seeing the end-of-line 
>> markers.  Is this a VO phenomenon, or are there some other programs which 
>> would suppress these markers?
>> 
>> Chris
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Re: Deleting Mail From Gmail site

[Angelo]

Hi, if you go to mail preferences and mail behaviors you can change how long 
gmail holds on to your deleted messages, options are never, one month, one week 
and when you close mail.
hth
Angelo
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> messages, but I don't see how to reliably delete them on Gmail using the Mac. 
> Does anyone have suggestions?
> 
> Jane
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Re: how to read braille files without end-of-line markers

[Eugenia Firth]

Hello there
I haven't tested it lately, but I was successful once in the doing this. 
Believe it or not, the last time I did it, notes doesn't show the end of line 
carriage returns and linefeeds. I even did it with a webr Braille file in notes 
once.
Regards,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> It's driving me nuts too and it shouldn't be necessary! I don't get those 
> with brltty in terminal and I don't get them reading web braille books with 
> the BARD app. I have pointed out the problem to accessibility but maybe I 
> should do it again. It definitely detracts from using braille with voiceover 
> despite the fact that I do appreciate the work that has been done to provide 
> braille access. The thing is: this happens with text files as well as braille 
> files.
> 
> Cheryl Homiak
> cahom...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:44 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I’m trying to read braille files in textedit without seeing the end-of-line 
>> markers.  Is this a VO phenomenon, or are there some other programs which 
>> would suppress these markers?
>> 
>> Chris
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Re: Deleting Mail From Gmail site

[Geoff Stephens]

On a related note, can anyone tell me why I am no longer seeing the all mail 
folders in Apple Mail for any of my GMail accounts?  I may be in the minority, 
but I am one of those who wants access to that folder from the Mac.
On Nov 16, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Jane  wrote:

I have Mail on my Mac and iPad and on the GMail server set to iMap. for 
some reason, when I tell Mail to delete stuff, it doesn't delete it, it just 
holds it. I can see the emails in the deleted items folder--over six thousand 
messages, but I don't see how to reliably delete them on Gmail using the Mac. 
Does anyone have suggestions?

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Re: best way to import music into itunes

[Kjsc Radio]

Hi, I do have a question about automatically add to iTunes. When I go in to add 
folders to that automatically add to iTunes folder, most of the music gets 
added to iTunes but not all of them. Keep in mind, that this has been done 
using large portions of folders and all of them are either MP3 or M4 a files. 
But, I'm not sure what is going on. Ever since Mavericks and ever since the 
iTunes update this has been happening to me

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> 
> I have made an alias of the Automatically add to iTunes folder and it sits on 
> my desktop. I drop files on there. Command O works as well from within the 
> program.
>> On 2013-11-13, at 11:47 PM, Aser Tolentino  wrote:
>> 
>> The "automatically add to iTunes" folder in your iTunes Media directory 
>> seems like what you'd want to try.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 8:39 PM, don bishop  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a couple of mp3 tracks on an sd which I’d like to import into my 
>>> itunes library.  Would I use “add to library” and then paste the filenames 
>>> in or is there a better way.
>>> 
>>> Thanks much,
>>> 
>>> Don
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Re: how to read braille files without end-of-line markers

[Cheryl Homiak]

It's driving me nuts too and it shouldn't be necessary! I don't get those with 
brltty in terminal and I don't get them reading web braille books with the BARD 
app. I have pointed out the problem to accessibility but maybe I should do it 
again. It definitely detracts from using braille with voiceover despite the 
fact that I do appreciate the work that has been done to provide braille 
access. The thing is: this happens with text files as well as braille files.

Cheryl Homiak
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> Hello,
> I’m trying to read braille files in textedit without seeing the end-of-line 
> markers.  Is this a VO phenomenon, or are there some other programs which 
> would suppress these markers?
> 
> Chris
> 

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Deleting Mail From Gmail site

[Jane]

I have Mail on my Mac and iPad and on the GMail server set to iMap. for 
some reason, when I tell Mail to delete stuff, it doesn't delete it, it just 
holds it. I can see the emails in the deleted items folder--over six thousand 
messages, but I don't see how to reliably delete them on Gmail using the Mac. 
Does anyone have suggestions?

Jane


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Re: My Braille Edge 40 and myApple devices

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi again
The braille display is a little over a year old. It really makes it complicated 
when the hardware is having trouble at the same time updates are happening.
Whoever needs this, but the tiniest terrible. I have a lot of work I have to 
get done. I may just have to in Dewar until I have a break in the work. 
Sincerely,
Gigi

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> On Nov 16, 2013, at 1:26 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi There,
> You’re not going to like this, but I can pair my braille edge 40 fine with my 
> iPhone. It even held the pairing after IOS 7 update. I haven’t tried to pair 
> it via bluetooth with my Mac, and probably won’t, but maybe there is 
> something wrong with your unit’s bluetooth. It pairs flawlessly with me every 
> time. It was purchased quite recently. When was yours purchased? Maybe 
> they’ve changed something in the hardware or something.
> 
> very weird. Sorry you’re having this trouble.
> 
> Lisette
> 
>> On 16/11/2013, at 3:18 pm, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there
>> No, because I already did the latest firmware update.'s. So, it won't be an 
>> option until they do another one. Only problem is, some of those folks keep 
>> insisting there is no problem.
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Gigi,
>>> 
>>> I don’t have your Braille display model, but I had similar experiences with 
>>> different aspects of a Focus display. It occurs to me that in my case, I 
>>> needed a firmware update for the Braille display. Is this an option for you 
>>> at all? If it is, it could be a solution.
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> teresa
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Guys 
 Somebody on this list said they had trouble with their Braille Edge 40, so 
 I thought I would pass along the latest in my experiences. Poor Apple is 
 just going to love this when they find out the latest because it makes my 
 case a little more weird. 
 
 The folks at HIMS kept insisting that the Braille Edge 40 would work with 
 Mavericks. I wasn't sure I agreed, what with the trouble I had been 
 having. I finally got the Bluetooth connection, which was my trouble to 
 work, but in a strange fashion. I'll tell you guys about the iPhone in a 
 minute because that's still a problem for me. 
 
 To make the story short, when I chose to add the display, it still came up 
 with Braille Edge 0011, which HIMS said was correct, although it sounds 
 strange to me. Ok fine. When I chose to pair, it failed like always. Then 
 it said Options, and when I chose it, then I got to type in the code. This 
 time it worked, whereas before it didn't. The only difference is, and this 
 may explain it, I had done a hard reset on the braille display today, 
 which I had not done earlier. The weird thing is that I can't pair this 
 display without it failing first, at least I can't figure out how. I have 
 never had to let the pairing fail first before being asked for the code. 
 
 The iPhone, however, is still a problem. It won't even search for the 
 braille display, and I have restarted it and given it a hard reset as well 
 by pressing the power key and the home key together and holding them down 
 for a few seconds. So I still have a problem, but for now it's a little 
 better, except the iPhone is worse. 
 
 Gigi, signing off and saying that computers sometimes drive you crazy and 
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how to read braille files without end-of-line markers

[Chris Moore]

Hello,
I’m trying to read braille files in textedit without seeing the end-of-line 
markers.  Is this a VO phenomenon, or are there some other programs which would 
suppress these markers?

Chris

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Re: best way to import music into itunes

[Kevin Shaw]

I have made an alias of the Automatically add to iTunes folder and it sits on 
my desktop. I drop files on there. Command O works as well from within the 
program.
On 2013-11-13, at 11:47 PM, Aser Tolentino  wrote:

> The "automatically add to iTunes" folder in your iTunes Media directory seems 
> like what you'd want to try.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 8:39 PM, don bishop  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a couple of mp3 tracks on an sd which I’d like to import into my 
>> itunes library.  Would I use “add to library” and then paste the filenames 
>> in or is there a better way.
>> 
>> Thanks much,
>> 
>> Don
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Re: My Braille Edge 40 and myApple devices

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
Thanks guys, and I may have to do that. I really wish I could tested under iOS 
6 and Mountain lion first. I don't know that I can. I already did call 
technical support.
Sincerely,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Earlier this year, I lost the ability to pair my Brailliant 40 with the Mac.  
> It turned out that the Bluetooth capability was broken on the Brailliant and 
> I had to send it in for repair.  So I would echo the sentiments of others 
> regarding this possibility.  A call to Hims Technical Support to discuss this 
> would be in order.  Good luck.
> 
> Les
>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 5:47 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just to add to Lisette's comments, I, too, have no trouble at all pairing my 
>> Braille Edge with my iPhone.  It does sound like there's something odd going 
>> on for you, Gigi, that isn't happening for the rest of us.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 1:26 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi There,
>>> You’re not going to like this, but I can pair my braille edge 40 fine with 
>>> my iPhone. It even held the pairing after IOS 7 update. I haven’t tried to 
>>> pair it via bluetooth with my Mac, and probably won’t, but maybe there is 
>>> something wrong with your unit’s bluetooth. It pairs flawlessly with me 
>>> every time. It was purchased quite recently. When was yours purchased? 
>>> Maybe they’ve changed something in the hardware or something.
>>> 
>>> very weird. Sorry you’re having this trouble.
>>> 
>>> Lisette
>>> 
 On 16/11/2013, at 3:18 pm, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
 Hi there
 No, because I already did the latest firmware update.'s. So, it won't be 
 an option until they do another one. Only problem is, some of those folks 
 keep insisting there is no problem.
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 15, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Gigi,
> 
> I don’t have your Braille display model, but I had similar experiences 
> with different aspects of a Focus display. It occurs to me that in my 
> case, I needed a firmware update for the Braille display. Is this an 
> option for you at all? If it is, it could be a solution.
> 
> HtH,
> teresa
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
> On Nov 15, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Guys 
>> Somebody on this list said they had trouble with their Braille Edge 40, 
>> so I thought I would pass along the latest in my experiences. Poor Apple 
>> is just going to love this when they find out the latest because it 
>> makes my case a little more weird. 
>> 
>> The folks at HIMS kept insisting that the Braille Edge 40 would work 
>> with Mavericks. I wasn't sure I agreed, what with the trouble I had been 
>> having. I finally got the Bluetooth connection, which was my trouble to 
>> work, but in a strange fashion. I'll tell you guys about the iPhone in a 
>> minute because that's still a problem for me. 
>> 
>> To make the story short, when I chose to add the display, it still came 
>> up with Braille Edge 0011, which HIMS said was correct, although it 
>> sounds strange to me. Ok fine. When I chose to pair, it failed like 
>> always. Then it said Options, and when I chose it, then I got to type in 
>> the code. This time it worked, whereas before it didn't. The only 
>> difference is, and this may explain it, I had done a hard reset on the 
>> braille display today, which I had not done earlier. The weird thing is 
>> that I can't pair this display without it failing first, at least I 
>> can't figure out how. I have never had to let the pairing fail first 
>> before being asked for the code. 
>> 
>> The iPhone, however, is still a problem. It won't even search for the 
>> braille display, and I have restarted it and given it a hard reset as 
>> well by pressing the power key and the home key together and holding 
>> them down for a few seconds. So I still have a problem, but for now it's 
>> a little better, except the iPhone is worse. 
>> 
>> Gigi, signing off and saying that computers sometimes drive you crazy 
>> and make people think you don't know what you're doing 
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Re: connecting speaker via bluetooth

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Don,

Under the on/off button is another button.  Hold that button in for a few 
seconds until you hear "Jambox is in pairing mode, waiting for device to 
connect?.  I know what you mean, I haven't done this procedure for a while 
either.

Les
On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:17 PM, don bishop  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I’ve done this before when running Mountain Lion but not with Mavericks.  I’m 
> trying to connect my big jambox as a speaker, but for some reason I can’t 
> locate how to get the Imac into pairing mode.  
> Could someone please refresh my memory?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Don
> 
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Re: How well is terminal working in Mavericks?

[Garry Turkington]

Hi guys,

Thanks for the input.  @Peter -- yes, I could run a Debian VM atop OS
X just as I do today on a Windows laptop but that just feels so wrong.
With OS X a Unix-based OS it would be really cool to actually have
first-class access to the console without having to rely on a VM for
heavy command line lifting.

I think I first reported terminal accessibility to Apple back in 2009
so maybe it's time to do so again. :)

Garry

On 11/14/13, Peter Durieux  wrote:
> Hi Garry,
>
> Just a quick note, I just use a vm with Debian wheezy and brltty to do all
> my console tasks.
> terminal is accessible, but jumping to cursor position is missing for me as
> well.
>
> Looking forward to what the mavericks guys here will tell us :)
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 09:55:14PM +, Garry Turkington wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Looking through the list I see several people are using the OS X
>> terminal on a regular basis.  Is the terminal accessibility any better
>> in Mavericks than earlier versions?
>>
>> I always found terminal accessibility a bit of a pain on the Mac and I
>> try it again every few versions.  Last time around -- with Snow
>> Leopard -- it was generally usable but things like not getting  the
>> output of commands read  and always having to review after every
>> command really started to grate after an hour or two.  But I've beaten
>> another laptop to death and if I felt I could live in the Mac terminal
>> for a chunk of my day then that would be  a possibility -- with the
>> terminal accessibility as it was though it was a deal breaker.
>> Otherwise I'd be  running a Linux VM under Fusion and that doesn't buy
>> me much.  Use case is primarily software development on a range of
>> remote hosts as well as a chunk of sysadmin and DBA type work.
>>
>> Any input gratefully received!
>> Garry
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Re: Getting to system dialogs

[Edward Green]

Thanks Chris, VO f1 twice did the trick.

Ed
On 16 Nov 2013, at 11:02, Chris H  wrote:

> Try either the application chooser or window chooser. Vo f1 twice and Vo f2 
> twice respectively.
> 
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> christopher...@gmail.com
> 
> On 16/11/2013 09:32, Edward Green wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is there an easy way to get to an open system dialog? Sometimes Voiceover 
>> reports them as being open, but if I’ve missed them pop up, they don’t 
>> appear to be in the command tab cycle.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ed
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Re: Getting to system dialogs

[Chris H]

Try either the application chooser or window chooser. Vo f1 twice and Vo 
f2 twice respectively.


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On 16/11/2013 09:32, Edward Green wrote:

Hi,

Is there an easy way to get to an open system dialog? Sometimes Voiceover 
reports them as being open, but if I’ve missed them pop up, they don’t appear 
to be in the command tab cycle.

Thanks,

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Re: My Braille Edge 40 and myApple devices

[Les Kriegler]

Earlier this year, I lost the ability to pair my Brailliant 40 with the Mac.  
It turned out that the Bluetooth capability was broken on the Brailliant and I 
had to send it in for repair.  So I would echo the sentiments of others 
regarding this possibility.  A call to Hims Technical Support to discuss this 
would be in order.  Good luck.

Les
On Nov 16, 2013, at 5:47 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Just to add to Lisette's comments, I, too, have no trouble at all pairing my 
> Braille Edge with my iPhone.  It does sound like there's something odd going 
> on for you, Gigi, that isn't happening for the rest of us.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Nov 16, 2013, at 1:26 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi There,
>> You’re not going to like this, but I can pair my braille edge 40 fine with 
>> my iPhone. It even held the pairing after IOS 7 update. I haven’t tried to 
>> pair it via bluetooth with my Mac, and probably won’t, but maybe there is 
>> something wrong with your unit’s bluetooth. It pairs flawlessly with me 
>> every time. It was purchased quite recently. When was yours purchased? Maybe 
>> they’ve changed something in the hardware or something.
>> 
>> very weird. Sorry you’re having this trouble.
>> 
>> Lisette
>> 
>> On 16/11/2013, at 3:18 pm, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there
>>> No, because I already did the latest firmware update.'s. So, it won't be an 
>>> option until they do another one. Only problem is, some of those folks keep 
>>> insisting there is no problem.
>>> Regards,
>>> Gigi
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 15, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Teresa Cochran  
 wrote:
 
 Hi, Gigi,
 
 I don’t have your Braille display model, but I had similar experiences 
 with different aspects of a Focus display. It occurs to me that in my 
 case, I needed a firmware update for the Braille display. Is this an 
 option for you at all? If it is, it could be a solution.
 
 HtH,
 teresa
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Nov 15, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
> Hi Guys 
> Somebody on this list said they had trouble with their Braille Edge 40, 
> so I thought I would pass along the latest in my experiences. Poor Apple 
> is just going to love this when they find out the latest because it makes 
> my case a little more weird. 
> 
> The folks at HIMS kept insisting that the Braille Edge 40 would work with 
> Mavericks. I wasn't sure I agreed, what with the trouble I had been 
> having. I finally got the Bluetooth connection, which was my trouble to 
> work, but in a strange fashion. I'll tell you guys about the iPhone in a 
> minute because that's still a problem for me. 
> 
> To make the story short, when I chose to add the display, it still came 
> up with Braille Edge 0011, which HIMS said was correct, although it 
> sounds strange to me. Ok fine. When I chose to pair, it failed like 
> always. Then it said Options, and when I chose it, then I got to type in 
> the code. This time it worked, whereas before it didn't. The only 
> difference is, and this may explain it, I had done a hard reset on the 
> braille display today, which I had not done earlier. The weird thing is 
> that I can't pair this display without it failing first, at least I can't 
> figure out how. I have never had to let the pairing fail first before 
> being asked for the code. 
> 
> The iPhone, however, is still a problem. It won't even search for the 
> braille display, and I have restarted it and given it a hard reset as 
> well by pressing the power key and the home key together and holding them 
> down for a few seconds. So I still have a problem, but for now it's a 
> little better, except the iPhone is worse. 
> 
> Gigi, signing off and saying that computers sometimes drive you crazy and 
> make people think you don't know what you're doing 
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Re: My Braille Edge 40 and myApple devices

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Just to add to Lisette's comments, I, too, have no trouble at all pairing my 
Braille Edge with my iPhone.  It does sound like there's something odd going on 
for you, Gigi, that isn't happening for the rest of us.
Best,
Donna
On Nov 16, 2013, at 1:26 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> Hi There,
> You’re not going to like this, but I can pair my braille edge 40 fine with my 
> iPhone. It even held the pairing after IOS 7 update. I haven’t tried to pair 
> it via bluetooth with my Mac, and probably won’t, but maybe there is 
> something wrong with your unit’s bluetooth. It pairs flawlessly with me every 
> time. It was purchased quite recently. When was yours purchased? Maybe 
> they’ve changed something in the hardware or something.
> 
> very weird. Sorry you’re having this trouble.
> 
> Lisette
> 
> On 16/11/2013, at 3:18 pm, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there
>> No, because I already did the latest firmware update.'s. So, it won't be an 
>> option until they do another one. Only problem is, some of those folks keep 
>> insisting there is no problem.
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Gigi,
>>> 
>>> I don’t have your Braille display model, but I had similar experiences with 
>>> different aspects of a Focus display. It occurs to me that in my case, I 
>>> needed a firmware update for the Braille display. Is this an option for you 
>>> at all? If it is, it could be a solution.
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> teresa
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Guys 
 Somebody on this list said they had trouble with their Braille Edge 40, so 
 I thought I would pass along the latest in my experiences. Poor Apple is 
 just going to love this when they find out the latest because it makes my 
 case a little more weird. 
 
 The folks at HIMS kept insisting that the Braille Edge 40 would work with 
 Mavericks. I wasn't sure I agreed, what with the trouble I had been 
 having. I finally got the Bluetooth connection, which was my trouble to 
 work, but in a strange fashion. I'll tell you guys about the iPhone in a 
 minute because that's still a problem for me. 
 
 To make the story short, when I chose to add the display, it still came up 
 with Braille Edge 0011, which HIMS said was correct, although it sounds 
 strange to me. Ok fine. When I chose to pair, it failed like always. Then 
 it said Options, and when I chose it, then I got to type in the code. This 
 time it worked, whereas before it didn't. The only difference is, and this 
 may explain it, I had done a hard reset on the braille display today, 
 which I had not done earlier. The weird thing is that I can't pair this 
 display without it failing first, at least I can't figure out how. I have 
 never had to let the pairing fail first before being asked for the code. 
 
 The iPhone, however, is still a problem. It won't even search for the 
 braille display, and I have restarted it and given it a hard reset as well 
 by pressing the power key and the home key together and holding them down 
 for a few seconds. So I still have a problem, but for now it's a little 
 better, except the iPhone is worse. 
 
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 make people think you don't know what you're doing 
 
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Getting to system dialogs

[Edward Green]

Hi,

Is there an easy way to get to an open system dialog? Sometimes Voiceover 
reports them as being open, but if I’ve missed them pop up, they don’t appear 
to be in the command tab cycle.

Thanks,

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