Re: turning off the mac

2014-06-06 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Don,

I put my Mac into sleep mode at night and very rarely shut it down. However, 
VO-Cmd-Eject is the best way to shut it down. It's all to easy to hold down the 
Power key for too long and shut the Mac down brutally without it having the 
chance to close down tidily.

Cheers,

Anne


On 6 Jun 2014, at 07:22, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 I assume most people turn their mac off at night rather than just putting it 
 into sleep mode.  Right?  
 If you do turn it off, how do you do it?  I turn mine off using vo command 
 eject.  I purchased the learning the mac discussed a few days back, and in 
 there she says to press the power button for about 3 seconds to shut down.
 
 Is one method any better than the other?  
 
 Thanks,
 Don
 
 
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Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

2014-06-06 Thread Christopher Hallsworth

Ditto. I tried
www.icloud.com
under Windows and can't say it's accessible. I tried to send a tet mail 
from my webmail account but couldn't figure out one of the edit fields. 
I thought it was the to header but the send button was still 
unavailable. Will try it under Maverix and report back.


Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 06/06/2014 04:31, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:

Please do reread his post. He didn't say please tell me what you're
testing, he said If you're a tester, please look at this if you can
because it was unaccessible last time. Which anyone could do with no
problems while not disclosing any information about the beta itself.

Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a
vm!
The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what
they are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say
time and time and time again.


Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com
mailto:kawa...@me.com wrote:


Hello.

For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing,
please test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't
very accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then
people may want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get
at a document as you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I
phone and a Mac.

Thank you.

Kawal.

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Re: turning off the mac

2014-06-06 Thread Teresa Cochran
You can also do a clean shut-down by quitting all applications and then going 
into the Apple menu and choosing shut down. You will get a dialog asking you 
to confirm. Just press enter, which will press the default button, which is 
shut down.

HtH,
Teresa

We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan

On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:39 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Don,
 
 I put my Mac into sleep mode at night and very rarely shut it down. However, 
 VO-Cmd-Eject is the best way to shut it down. It's all to easy to hold down 
 the Power key for too long and shut the Mac down brutally without it having 
 the chance to close down tidily.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 6 Jun 2014, at 07:22, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I assume most people turn their mac off at night rather than just putting it 
 into sleep mode.  Right?  
 If you do turn it off, how do you do it?  I turn mine off using vo command 
 eject.  I purchased the learning the mac discussed a few days back, and in 
 there she says to press the power button for about 3 seconds to shut down.
 
 Is one method any better than the other?  
 
 Thanks,
 Don
 
 
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Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

2014-06-06 Thread Teresa Cochran
Put Mail into classic view in Mail preferences, viewing, then check use 
classic layout.. Then find the message list and VO-right. You should find the 
splitter there.

HtH,
teresa

Visualize whirled peas.

On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I believe that you need to put your Mail into Classic view first.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 On my MBA (which I'm using for everything until my Mini is back), I can't 
 find the splitter I should be able to use to close the horribly annoying 
 preview pane in Mail. Can someone remind me where it is, in case I'm 
 thinking of the wrong one? Thanks.
 
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Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

2014-06-06 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I am feemale.

 On 6 Jun 2014, at 04:31 am, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:
 
 Please do reread his post. He didn't   say please tell me what you're 
 testing, he said If you're a tester, please look at this if you can because 
 it was unaccessible last time. Which anyone could do with no problems while 
 not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
 
 Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a vm!
 The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
 On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they 
 are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and 
 time and time again.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, please 
 test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't very 
 accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then people may 
 want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a 
 document as you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a 
 Mac.
 
 Thank you.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

2014-06-06 Thread Devin Prater
I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for 
accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 

 On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:
 
 Please do reread his post. He didn't say please tell me what you're 
 testing, he said If you're a tester, please look at this if you can because 
 it was unaccessible last time. Which anyone could do with no problems while 
 not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
 
 Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a vm!
 The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
 On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they 
 are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and 
 time and time again.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 
 5 user!
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, please 
 test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't very 
 accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then people may 
 want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a document as 
 you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a Mac.
 
 Thank you.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: turning off the mac

2014-06-06 Thread Jessica D
Is the item you bought accessible with VoiceOver? How much does it cost? Do 
they use VoiceOver for demos?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:22 AM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I assume most people turn their mac off at night rather than just putting it 
 into sleep mode.  Right?  
 If you do turn it off, how do you do it?  I turn mine off using vo command 
 eject.  I purchased the learning the mac discussed a few days back, and in 
 there she says to press the power button for about 3 seconds to shut down.
 
 Is one method any better than the other?  
 
 Thanks,
 Don
 
 
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sharing movies with friends via vlc

2014-06-06 Thread Elaine O Neill
Hi All,

Can any one tell me if it is possible to send movies via vlc to o ther friends 
on the Mac.

Many thanks.

Elaine.


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Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

2014-06-06 Thread Stacey Robinson
Theressa,
After finding the splitter what do you do?

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:00 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

 Put Mail into classic view in Mail preferences, viewing, then check use 
 classic layout.. Then find the message list and VO-right. You should find 
 the splitter there.
 
 HtH,
 teresa
 
 Visualize whirled peas.
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I believe that you need to put your Mail into Classic view first.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 On my MBA (which I'm using for everything until my Mini is back), I can't 
 find the splitter I should be able to use to close the horribly annoying 
 preview pane in Mail. Can someone remind me where it is, in case I'm 
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Itunes Match not working on Mac

2014-06-06 Thread Lee Jones
Dear List, I subscribed to itunes match, and am trying to get my library 
matched, but I keep getting told that itunes match encountered a problem and 
that I need to sign out and sign back in before trying again.  After lots of 
tries I'm getting frustrated.  Has anyone got this to work, and is there 
anything obvious that I could be doing wrong?

Many Thanks, Lee

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Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

2014-06-06 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Stacey,

Once you've found the splitter, turn the trackpad commander off if it's active, 
then bring the mouse with VO-Cmd-F5. Press down on the trackpad with one finger 
and use another finger to stroke the trackpad from top to bottom. This should 
drag the splitter to the bottom of the screen.

It can take several attempts before this trick works as it's all too easy to 
move the mouse slightly before starting to drag it.

Cheers,

Anne


On 6 Jun 2014, at 15:06, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Theressa,
 After finding the splitter what do you do?
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:00 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 
 Put Mail into classic view in Mail preferences, viewing, then check use 
 classic layout.. Then find the message list and VO-right. You should find 
 the splitter there.
 
 HtH,
 teresa
 
 Visualize whirled peas.
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I believe that you need to put your Mail into Classic view first.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 On my MBA (which I'm using for everything until my Mini is back), I can't 
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Re: turning off the mac

2014-06-06 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

I seldom, if ever shutdown my Mac.  My MBP is put to sleep at night simply due 
to the fact that I close the lid whereas my other Desktop Macs stay on, 
24-7-365.  In fact, the computer is set to stay awake and only the display goes 
to sleep.  Just makes it easier for me to access other computers when they're 
awake.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:39 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Don,
 
 I put my Mac into sleep mode at night and very rarely shut it down. However, 
 VO-Cmd-Eject is the best way to shut it down. It's all to easy to hold down 
 the Power key for too long and shut the Mac down brutally without it having 
 the chance to close down tidily.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 6 Jun 2014, at 07:22, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I assume most people turn their mac off at night rather than just putting it 
 into sleep mode.  Right?  
 If you do turn it off, how do you do it?  I turn mine off using vo command 
 eject.  I purchased the learning the mac discussed a few days back, and in 
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 Is one method any better than the other?  
 
 Thanks,
 Don
 
 
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Re: Itunes Match not working on Mac

2014-06-06 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

It works perfectly for me across multiple devices.  Have you Quit and restarted 
iTunes?  Totally restarted your Mac?  Since you have likely followed its 
suggestion of signing out of iTunes Match then back in, try signing out, 
restarting the Mac then signing back in.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Lee Jones leejones...@sky.com wrote:

 Dear List, I subscribed to itunes match, and am trying to get my library 
 matched, but I keep getting told that itunes match encountered a problem and 
 that I need to sign out and sign back in before trying again.  After lots of 
 tries I'm getting frustrated.  Has anyone got this to work, and is there 
 anything obvious that I could be doing wrong?
 
 Many Thanks, Lee
 
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Re: turning off the mac

2014-06-06 Thread Teresa Cochran
I don't shut mine down much either, because I use BOINC software for various 
projects when my computer is idle. I usually shut it down when there's a close 
thunderstorm, or I restart it if it's acting strangely.

Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I seldom, if ever shutdown my Mac.  My MBP is put to sleep at night simply 
 due to the fact that I close the lid whereas my other Desktop Macs stay on, 
 24-7-365.  In fact, the computer is set to stay awake and only the display 
 goes to sleep.  Just makes it easier for me to access other computers when 
 they're awake.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:39 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Don,
 
 I put my Mac into sleep mode at night and very rarely shut it down. However, 
 VO-Cmd-Eject is the best way to shut it down. It's all to easy to hold down 
 the Power key for too long and shut the Mac down brutally without it having 
 the chance to close down tidily.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 6 Jun 2014, at 07:22, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I assume most people turn their mac off at night rather than just putting 
 it into sleep mode.  Right?  
 If you do turn it off, how do you do it?  I turn mine off using vo command 
 eject.  I purchased the learning the mac discussed a few days back, and in 
 there she says to press the power button for about 3 seconds to shut down.
 
 Is one method any better than the other?  
 
 Thanks,
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Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

2014-06-06 Thread Alex Hall
Thanks, I got it. I really hope part of the changes in Mail in 10.10 will be an 
option to close that pane.
On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Stacey,
 
 Once you've found the splitter, turn the trackpad commander off if it's 
 active, then bring the mouse with VO-Cmd-F5. Press down on the trackpad with 
 one finger and use another finger to stroke the trackpad from top to bottom. 
 This should drag the splitter to the bottom of the screen.
 
 It can take several attempts before this trick works as it's all too easy to 
 move the mouse slightly before starting to drag it.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 6 Jun 2014, at 15:06, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Theressa,
 After finding the splitter what do you do?
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:00 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 
 Put Mail into classic view in Mail preferences, viewing, then check use 
 classic layout.. Then find the message list and VO-right. You should find 
 the splitter there.
 
 HtH,
 teresa
 
 Visualize whirled peas.
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I believe that you need to put your Mail into Classic view first.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 On my MBA (which I'm using for everything until my Mini is back), I can't 
 find the splitter I should be able to use to close the horribly annoying 
 preview pane in Mail. Can someone remind me where it is, in case I'm 
 thinking of the wrong one? Thanks.
 
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Alex Hall
Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my external 
hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about thirty seconds, 
while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, it’s working, 
thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.

As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format the 
drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question is, what 
do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one OS X Beta 
Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only the Macintosh 
HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that partition, but 
didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that completely erasing the 
Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you saying that I should 
format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If I do that, won’t it 
affect the installation of the OS, or will the installer partition as necessary?
On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions etc., 
 you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  Regarding 
 grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then go under 
 it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 beta 
 partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of the HD.  
 Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could quickly get the 
 files you want and place them onto whatever media you want.  You could then 
 go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 
 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be done from a 
 external source in order to completely reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
 fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
 those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, and 
 that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll use 
 that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other files I’d 
 like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just to have if I 
 can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition and copy, but I 
 don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll also need a way to 
 erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the problem. I only tested one 
 OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose it could have caused the 
 problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk Utility on the recovery HD, and 
 if so, how would I do that and merge its space back to Macintosh HD?
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I agree with Chris that it could very likely be a software thing.  So, 
 since you have a Time Machine backup that is fairly up-to-date and you say 
 that you have your important files backed up, I’d go for the reformat and 
 reinstall option.  If you don’t have an external HD or the cables that I 
 mentioned earlier, there is a neat little utility within the Mavericks 
 Installer that allows you to build a bootable Mavericks installer on a 
 flash drive that is at least 8 GB in size.  If you wish to go that way, I 
 can share instructions with you.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:00 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 You mentioned a 50GB partition for OSX betas. So were you running beta 
 OSes on this box? If so, it's at least plausible that the beta OSX had 
 some kind of bug which mangled data structures on the drive and, since it 
 had access to your non-beta partition, it could have mangled your regular 
 OSX boot drive as well. In other words, this could still have been a 
 software issue.
 
 CB
 
 On 6/5/14, 9:17 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 Hi all,
 So, here's the status of my Mac Mini's hard drive.
 
 * Two repairs from the Recovery HD resulted in an error telling me to 
 format ad re-install.
 * I did just that at the end of March, and given that two repairs 
 couldn't fix whatever errors have accumulated after three months, it 
 seems like the drive itself is having problems.
 * The SMART status of the drive is verified, not failing, which seems 
 odd given the previous points.
 * The drive is partitioned into two: 450gb for OS X, and 50gb for OS X 
 betas. I don't yet know if the beta partition works, but both share a 
 drive so I'm not optimistic.
 
 Any ideas? I looked at replacing the drive, but the iFixIt instructions 
 are scary and require special tools. The Mini is not under Apple Care 
 protection, and my nearest Genius bar is almost three hours away. Am I 
 just doomed, or is there a 

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi Alex,

Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after starting 
up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your drive to one 
partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should be done later 
on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery Partition is created 
properly.  Not sure where the other individual got there info but this is sound 
practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, 
on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the 
Mavericks Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically 
created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must 
have already existed in order to create a proper installation.  The problem in 
your case is that you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing 
Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to

http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html

for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a complete 
wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried over thus 
any disk structure issues would have persisted.

Hope this makes sense.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
 it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format the 
 drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question is, what 
 do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one OS X Beta 
 Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only the Macintosh 
 HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that partition, but 
 didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that completely erasing 
 the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you saying that I should 
 format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If I do that, won’t it 
 affect the installation of the OS, or will the installer partition as 
 necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions etc., 
 you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  Regarding 
 grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then go under 
 it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 
 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of the 
 HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could quickly get 
 the files you want and place them onto whatever media you want.  You could 
 then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 
 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be done 
 from a external source in order to completely reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
 fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
 those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, and 
 that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll use 
 that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other files I’d 
 like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just to have if 
 I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition and copy, 
 but I don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll also need a 
 way to erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the problem. I only 
 tested one OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose it could have 
 caused the problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk Utility on the 
 recovery HD, and if so, how would I do that and merge its space back to 
 Macintosh HD?
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I agree with Chris that it could very likely be a software thing.  So, 
 since you have a Time Machine backup that is fairly up-to-date and you say 
 that you have your important files backed up, I’d go for the reformat and 
 reinstall option.  If you don’t have an external HD or the cables that I 
 mentioned earlier, there is a neat little utility within the Mavericks 
 Installer that allows you to build a bootable Mavericks installer on a 
 flash drive that is at least 8 GB in size.  If you wish to go that way, I 
 can share instructions with you.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:00 PM, 

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Alex Hall
Alright, I’ll do that. I used the installer file and Terminal to make the 
drive, so it should be fine. Thanks.
On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after starting 
 up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your drive to 
 one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should be done 
 later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery Partition is 
 created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got there info but 
 this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable 
 Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create Install 
 Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition 
 will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the 
 Recovery Partition must have already existed in order to create a proper 
 installation.  The problem in your case is that you need to do a total 
 re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  
 Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a complete 
 wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried over thus 
 any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
 it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question is, 
 what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one OS X 
 Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only the 
 Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
 saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If 
 I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the installer 
 partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions etc., 
 you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  Regarding 
 grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then go under 
 it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 
 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of the 
 HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could quickly get 
 the files you want and place them onto whatever media you want.  You could 
 then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 
 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be 
 done from a external source in order to completely reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
 fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
 those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
 and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll 
 use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other files 
 I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just to 
 have if I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition and 
 copy, but I don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll also 
 need a way to erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the problem. I 
 only tested one OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose it could 
 have caused the problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk Utility on the 
 recovery HD, and if so, how would I do that and merge its space back to 
 Macintosh HD?
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I agree with Chris that it could very likely be a software thing.  So, 
 since you have a Time Machine backup that is fairly up-to-date and you 
 say that you have your important files backed up, I’d go for the reformat 
 and reinstall option.  If you don’t have an external HD or the cables 
 that I mentioned earlier, there is a neat little utility within the 
 Mavericks Installer that allows you to build a bootable Mavericks 

Re: Challenges with Apple Mail auto-complete

2014-06-06 Thread Steve Holmes
Yeah, I just looked here under both Composing and General and no checkbox for 
that option. I'm running latest Mavericks.

On Jun 4, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I believe that option has been removed, At least I couldn't find it anymore 
 so I didn't mention it in my post.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 4, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Just in case check under composing in mail pref's to see if the auto 
 complete is checked!
 Colin
 
 On 4 Jun 2014, at 18:49, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I don't believe that you'll find a more VO compatible mail client.  There 
 are other clients around with varying levels of accessibility.  The Apple 
 Mail client normally polls two sources for auto-completion of addresses, 
 the Contacts app and the Previous recipients list.  You can view the 
 Previous Recipients list from the Window menu in your Mail app.  This 
 should be populated automatically as messages are sent but there could be 
 issues there.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 4, 2014, at 11:26 AM, pcraw phil.crawf...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm seeking advice regarding some challenges with Apple Mail auto-complete 
 email addresses for a friend's AOL mail IMAP account. Main issue: in Apple 
 Mail, recently contacted email addresses are not appearing via 
 auto-complete. As such, I'm doing some research for him and have some 
 questions:
 
 - Any resources on how email contacts are managed in Apple Mail?
 
 - Any resources on how email contacts are managed in Apple Contacts? 
 What's the difference? I'm not 100% clear how they are linked.
 
 - Seeking alternative to Apple Mail for someone who is legally blind. Are 
 there some alternatives with a simpler interface and possibly better 
 integration with VoiceOver? Just curious
 
 Any help is appreciated.
 
 Technical info-
 Mac Mini (late 2012)
 
 Mac OS X 10.8.5 (12F45)
 
 Apple Mail v 6.6
 
 Apple Contacts v7.1
 
 
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Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

2014-06-06 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi guys 
I have another request for testing when some of you get around to it. I 
discovered a very bad bug in Pages having to do with the iPhone and iCloud. 
Don't do what I did or you can lose your files or parts thereof that are near 
and dear to you heart. Part of this is a VoiceOver issue, and part is not. Here 
is the disaster I created for myself. 

Last night I worked on a Pages file until 10 o'clock. I failed to press command 
s, and this turned out to be a very bad decision. I made an even worse decision 
this morning. This file had two tables in it. I decided to see if tables would 
ok on the iPhone; they work great on the Mac these days. 

So, I fired up my iPhone in Pages. I was using the Focus 14 braille display and 
discovered that I could get into a table, no prob, get into a cell, no prob, 
but could not delete characters I wanted to take out with chord d. Then in 
messing around somehow, and I still don't knowhow I did this, I erased one of 
the tables. I tried to undo it, and it didn't work. 

So I went back to the Mac, and sure enough it was gone. Then I decided to see 
if I could get an older version. That was when I found out that I couldn't read 
with VoiceOver what my version choices were except for one, the one at 8 
o'clock yesterday evening. I was hoping I had a later one, so I had to call 
that 877 number again so the lady with Apple could look at my screen by helping 
me to move the mouse without VoiceOver saying a word. She told me I had three 
choices, none of which were at 10 o'clock last night. This meant I had to do 
two hours work over. I also moved all my Pages files off the Cloud so I can use 
my Time Machine backup for disasters. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:

 I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for 
 accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:
 
 Please do reread his post. He didn't say please tell me what you're 
 testing, he said If you're a tester, please look at this if you can 
 because it was unaccessible last time. Which anyone could do with no 
 problems while not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
 
 Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a vm!
 The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
 On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they 
 are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and 
 time and time again.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, please 
 test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't very 
 accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then people may 
 want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a document as 
 you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a Mac.
 
 Thank you.
 
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Steve Holmes
That's right. they're toast!

This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and all so 
Movie Reading is another orphaned app sigh.

On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 I am confused. 
 I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use faceBook or 
 twitter. :)
 
 http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/
 
 http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/
 
 I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just won't 
 have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new news? The 
 last I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no longer going to 
 be an option for described movies and TV shows.
 
 Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
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Re: Where do I go to read system dialogues?

2014-06-06 Thread Steve Holmes
Sometimes I don't find them there but find it under the window choose (VO-F2 
F2). But even then, I had to roll through several apps with Command-Tab before 
I found a system dialog in the window chooser.

It hasn't always been consistent for me over time.

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 Press vo f 1 f 1. 
 Then use the down arrow key to find the system dialogs submenu.  Next press 
 vo space bar on the  system dialogs submenu. 
 Next choose the system dialogs you want to close. 
 Next press vo space on the system dialog in question. 
 Next press command q or command w on the system dialogs in question that you 
 want to close. 
 
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 Skype gold_wildcat 
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Jenine Stanley dragonwalke...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My MBP says I have 1 system dialogue but I don't know where to go to read 
 it. Any help would be hugely appreciated.  
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Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

2014-06-06 Thread Steve Holmes
This used to be easier under Mountain Lion. At least there, I didn't have to go 
into classic mode and I think I could just use the arrow keys to adjust the 
slider too. Yes, I fully agree; this should be a simple check item in the View 
menu as far as I'm concerned.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Thanks, I got it. I really hope part of the changes in Mail in 10.10 will be 
 an option to close that pane.
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Stacey,
 
 Once you've found the splitter, turn the trackpad commander off if it's 
 active, then bring the mouse with VO-Cmd-F5. Press down on the trackpad with 
 one finger and use another finger to stroke the trackpad from top to bottom. 
 This should drag the splitter to the bottom of the screen.
 
 It can take several attempts before this trick works as it's all too easy to 
 move the mouse slightly before starting to drag it.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 6 Jun 2014, at 15:06, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Theressa,
 After finding the splitter what do you do?
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:00 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 
 Put Mail into classic view in Mail preferences, viewing, then check use 
 classic layout.. Then find the message list and VO-right. You should find 
 the splitter there.
 
 HtH,
 teresa
 
 Visualize whirled peas.
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I believe that you need to put your Mail into Classic view first.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 On my MBA (which I'm using for everything until my Mini is back), I 
 can't find the splitter I should be able to use to close the horribly 
 annoying preview pane in Mail. Can someone remind me where it is, in 
 case I'm thinking of the wrong one? Thanks.
 
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Steve Holmes
I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari byt 
then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any controls to 
stop the playback. This just sucks!

On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after starting 
 up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your drive to 
 one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should be done 
 later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery Partition is 
 created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got there info but 
 this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable 
 Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create Install 
 Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition 
 will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the 
 Recovery Partition must have already existed in order to create a proper 
 installation.  The problem in your case is that you need to do a total 
 re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  
 Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a complete 
 wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried over thus 
 any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
 it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question is, 
 what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one OS X 
 Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only the 
 Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
 saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If 
 I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the installer 
 partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions etc., 
 you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  Regarding 
 grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then go under 
 it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 
 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of the 
 HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could quickly get 
 the files you want and place them onto whatever media you want.  You could 
 then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 
 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be 
 done from a external source in order to completely reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
 fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
 those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
 and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll 
 use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other files 
 I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just to 
 have if I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition and 
 copy, but I don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll also 
 need a way to erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the problem. I 
 only tested one OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose it could 
 have caused the problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk Utility on the 
 recovery HD, and if so, how would I do that and merge its space back to 
 Macintosh HD?
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I agree with Chris that it could very likely be a software thing.  So, 
 since you have a Time Machine backup that is fairly up-to-date and you 
 say that you have your important files 

VM Windows 7 and Window-eyes, anyone running this configuration?

2014-06-06 Thread Bill Holton
If so, I have a few questions about how you deal with certain WE isses.

Bill

 

 

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Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

2014-06-06 Thread Regina Alvarado
Asking a dumb question. What is the mail preview payne? How do I get rid of it, 
and if I do, what is the difference in how I would read mail?


reggie and Allegra

On Jun 6, 2014, at 3:00 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

Put Mail into classic view in Mail preferences, viewing, then check use 
classic layout.. Then find the message list and VO-right. You should find the 
splitter there.

HtH,
teresa

Visualize whirled peas.

 On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I believe that you need to put your Mail into Classic view first.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 On my MBA (which I'm using for everything until my Mini is back), I can't 
 find the splitter I should be able to use to close the horribly annoying 
 preview pane in Mail. Can someone remind me where it is, in case I'm 
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Alex Hall
Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply that 
you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the only 
partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase that 
partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does not 
already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I want to do 
everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your patience.
On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after starting 
 up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your drive to 
 one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should be done 
 later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery Partition is 
 created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got there info but 
 this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable 
 Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create Install 
 Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition 
 will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the 
 Recovery Partition must have already existed in order to create a proper 
 installation.  The problem in your case is that you need to do a total 
 re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  
 Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a complete 
 wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried over thus 
 any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
 it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question is, 
 what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one OS X 
 Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only the 
 Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
 saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If 
 I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the installer 
 partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions etc., 
 you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  Regarding 
 grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then go under 
 it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 
 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of the 
 HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could quickly get 
 the files you want and place them onto whatever media you want.  You could 
 then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 
 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be 
 done from a external source in order to completely reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
 fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
 those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
 and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll 
 use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other files 
 I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just to 
 have if I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition and 
 copy, but I don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll also 
 need a way to erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the problem. I 
 only tested one OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose it could 
 have caused the problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk Utility on the 
 recovery HD, and if so, how would I do that and merge its space back to 
 Macintosh HD?
 On Jun 5, 

amusing notice from Mail

2014-06-06 Thread Jenine Stanley
Today as I was reviewing my mail, it kept saying things like 23 message, 24 
unread, 18 messages, 19 unread, etc. I'm amused as well as baffled but it did 
finally straighten itself out. 

Hoping that Yosemite will end the 1 message added ... 2 messages added ... 
etc. that VO insists on verbalizing.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



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Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

2014-06-06 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Not that this helps your situation at all, but, just a clarification for you.  
Anything that is in iCloud, is also on your Mac already.  Therefore, moving 
those items out of the iCloud area does not specifically do anything profound, 
in fact, you're losing one backup location.

For example:

* File xyz.pages saved in iCloud resides off in Cyber Space, in 
/Users/YourAccount/Library/Mobile Document/blah blah blah, and in your Time 
Machine location if you use Time Machine.  Thus, three places to recover from.
* File abc.pages stored somewhere else on your Mac such as the Desktop, is in 
/Users/YourAccount/Desktop/abc.pages and in your Time Machine backup.  So, only 
two locations.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi guys 
 I have another request for testing when some of you get around to it. I 
 discovered a very bad bug in Pages having to do with the iPhone and iCloud. 
 Don't do what I did or you can lose your files or parts thereof that are near 
 and dear to you heart. Part of this is a VoiceOver issue, and part is not. 
 Here is the disaster I created for myself. 
 
 Last night I worked on a Pages file until 10 o'clock. I failed to press 
 command s, and this turned out to be a very bad decision. I made an even 
 worse decision this morning. This file had two tables in it. I decided to see 
 if tables would ok on the iPhone; they work great on the Mac these days. 
 
 So, I fired up my iPhone in Pages. I was using the Focus 14 braille display 
 and discovered that I could get into a table, no prob, get into a cell, no 
 prob, but could not delete characters I wanted to take out with chord d. Then 
 in messing around somehow, and I still don't knowhow I did this, I erased one 
 of the tables. I tried to undo it, and it didn't work. 
 
 So I went back to the Mac, and sure enough it was gone. Then I decided to see 
 if I could get an older version. That was when I found out that I couldn't 
 read with VoiceOver what my version choices were except for one, the one at 8 
 o'clock yesterday evening. I was hoping I had a later one, so I had to call 
 that 877 number again so the lady with Apple could look at my screen by 
 helping me to move the mouse without VoiceOver saying a word. She told me I 
 had three choices, none of which were at 10 o'clock last night. This meant I 
 had to do two hours work over. I also moved all my Pages files off the Cloud 
 so I can use my Time Machine backup for disasters. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for 
 accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:
 
 Please do reread his post. He didn't say please tell me what you're 
 testing, he said If you're a tester, please look at this if you can 
 because it was unaccessible last time. Which anyone could do with no 
 problems while not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
 
 Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a vm!
 The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
 On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they 
 are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and 
 time and time again.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, please 
 test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't very 
 accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then people may 
 want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a document as 
 you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a Mac.
 
 Thank you.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: amusing notice from Mail

2014-06-06 Thread Jessica D
For me, voiceover does this, but it also interrupts itself. Why does it do 
this? How do I stop it?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Jenine Stanley dragonwalke...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Today as I was reviewing my mail, it kept saying things like 23 message, 24 
 unread, 18 messages, 19 unread, etc. I'm amused as well as baffled but it did 
 finally straighten itself out. 
 
 Hoping that Yosemite will end the 1 message added ... 2 messages added ... 
 etc. that VO insists on verbalizing.
 Jenine Stanley
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Jessica D
I will not pay for a subscription just to see a descriptive movie.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That's right. they're toast!
 
 This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and all 
 so Movie Reading is another orphaned app sigh.
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I am confused. 
 I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use faceBook 
 or twitter. :)
 
 http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/
 
 http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/
 
 I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just won't 
 have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new news? The 
 last I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no longer going to 
 be an option for described movies and TV shows.
 
 Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
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Autoplay, wasRe: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Teresa Cochran
Steve, just press control-home to go to your home page.

Teresa

Slow down; you’ll get there faster.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
 started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
 babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari 
 byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any 
 controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should 
 be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
 Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
 there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
 your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
 “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
 Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
 Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
 order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that you 
 need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is 
 not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
 over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
 it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
 saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? 
 If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the 
 installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then 
 go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 
 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area 
 of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could 
 quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever media you 
 want.  You could then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and 
 re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there 
 since it needs to be done from a external source in order to completely 
 reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
 fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
 those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
 and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll 
 use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other 
 files I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just 
 to have if I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition 
 and copy, but I don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll 
 also need a way to erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the 
 problem. I only tested one OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose 
 it could have caused the problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk 
 Utility on the recovery HD, and if so, how would I do that and merge its 
 space back to Macintosh HD?
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I 

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive.  That is, the 
thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever make your HD is, not the 
already partitioned volumes.  Then, go to the Partition tab and partition your 
HD with one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) with name Macintosh HD.  As 
well, press the Options button in this window and ensure that your HD will have 
the GUID schema.  Apply this change and you’ll have one volume on your drive 
with name “Macintosh HD”.  When you run the Mavericks Installer from your thumb 
drive, the Recovery Partition will be automatically created.

Hope this is clearer.  Sorry for any confusion.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
 articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply 
 that you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the only 
 partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase that 
 partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
 automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does not 
 already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I want to do 
 everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your patience.
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should 
 be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
 Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
 there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
 your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
 “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
 Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
 Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
 order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that you 
 need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is 
 not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
 over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
 it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
 saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? 
 If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the 
 installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then 
 go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 
 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area 
 of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could 
 quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever media you 
 want.  You could then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and 
 re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there 
 since it needs to be done from a external source in order to completely 
 reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
 fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
 those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall 

Correction, Autoplay, wasRe: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Teresa Cochran
I meant to say command-home to go to the home page.

Teresa

“Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.”—Richard P. Feynman

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
 started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
 babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari 
 byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any 
 controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should 
 be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
 Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
 there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
 your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
 “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
 Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
 Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
 order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that you 
 need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is 
 not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
 over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
 it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
 saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? 
 If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the 
 installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then 
 go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 
 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area 
 of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could 
 quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever media you 
 want.  You could then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and 
 re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there 
 since it needs to be done from a external source in order to completely 
 reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
 fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
 those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
 and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll 
 use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other 
 files I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just 
 to have if I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition 
 and copy, but I don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll 
 also need a way to erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the 
 problem. I only tested one OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose 
 it could have caused the problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk 
 Utility on the recovery HD, and if so, how would I do that and merge its 
 space back to Macintosh HD?
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Tim 

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Alex Hall
Okay, got it! Thanks, I’ll go do that now.
On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive.  That is, 
 the thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever make your HD is, not 
 the already partitioned volumes.  Then, go to the Partition tab and partition 
 your HD with one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) with name Macintosh 
 HD.  As well, press the Options button in this window and ensure that your HD 
 will have the GUID schema.  Apply this change and you’ll have one volume on 
 your drive with name “Macintosh HD”.  When you run the Mavericks Installer 
 from your thumb drive, the Recovery Partition will be automatically created.
 
 Hope this is clearer.  Sorry for any confusion.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
 articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply 
 that you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the 
 only partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase 
 that partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
 automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does not 
 already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I want to 
 do everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your patience.
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
 should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
 Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
 there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
 your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
 “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
 Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
 Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
 order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that 
 you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition 
 is not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
 over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are 
 you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
 partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
 will the installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, 
 then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to 
 select the 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK 
 in that area of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, 
 you could quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever 
 media you want.  You could then go ahead and do the total 
 wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best 
 to do it from there since it needs to be done from a external source in 
 order to completely reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is 
 in fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to 
 grab those files or just 

Re: amusing notice from Mail

2014-06-06 Thread Jenine Stanley
Oh if there's a way to stop this, whoever shares it will be sainted. It drives 
me crazy. :)
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:

 For me, voiceover does this, but it also interrupts itself. Why does it do 
 this? How do I stop it?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Jenine Stanley dragonwalke...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Today as I was reviewing my mail, it kept saying things like 23 message, 24 
 unread, 18 messages, 19 unread, etc. I'm amused as well as baffled but it 
 did finally straighten itself out. 
 
 Hoping that Yosemite will end the 1 message added ... 2 messages added ... 
 etc. that VO insists on verbalizing.
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Steve Holmes
Well, the other guys had a free service. Where are they now? I'll tell you 
where they are. they're broke! The unfortunate fact here is anyone offering a 
service like this, using apps, servers, etc. will have to have some kind of 
business model to keep them afloat. Hence someone has to pay for it some how. 
You can't always count on subsidies or grants to keep a business going. I 
assume this group has some people on staff working full or part time. Those 
people need to eat and pay rent...

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:

 I will not pay for a subscription just to see a descriptive movie.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That's right. they're toast!
 
 This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and all 
 so Movie Reading is another orphaned app sigh.
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I am confused. 
 I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use faceBook 
 or twitter. :)
 
 http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/
 
 http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/
 
 I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just won't 
 have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new news? The 
 last I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no longer going to 
 be an option for described movies and TV shows.
 
 Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
 Christina
 
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Tim Kilburn
Steve,

I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never happened to 
me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a cmd-a to Select 
All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu and choose “Make Plain 
Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read it without all the 
extraneous garbage.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
 started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
 babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari 
 byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any 
 controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should 
 be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
 Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
 there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
 your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
 “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
 Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
 Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
 order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that you 
 need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is 
 not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
 over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
 it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
 saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? 
 If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the 
 installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then 
 go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 
 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area 
 of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could 
 quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever media you 
 want.  You could then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and 
 re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there 
 since it needs to be done from a external source in order to completely 
 reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
 fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
 those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
 and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll 
 use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other 
 files I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just 
 to have if I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition 
 and copy, but I don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll 
 also need a way to erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the 
 problem. I only tested one OS, the 10.9.3 

Re: Correction, Autoplay, wasRe: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Steve Holmes
Well no, I wanted to stay on that page but stop the videos from playing. The 
article about building the bootable image looks very interesting and would make 
an excellent resource for future reference. But it autoplays the series of 
videos continuously and I haven’t found a way to stop them. Anyone else 
observing this on Macworld’s page? I’m tempted to write a complaint to Mac 
World to see if they can change something.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 I meant to say command-home to go to the home page.
 
 Teresa
 
 “Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.”—Richard P. 
 Feynman
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
 started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
 babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari 
 byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any 
 controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
 should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
 Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
 there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
 your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
 “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
 Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
 Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
 order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that 
 you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition 
 is not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
 over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are 
 you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
 partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
 will the installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, 
 then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to 
 select the 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK 
 in that area of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, 
 you could quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever 
 media you want.  You could then go ahead and do the total 
 wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best 
 to do it from there since it needs to be done from a external source in 
 order to completely reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is 
 in fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to 
 grab those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
 and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll 
 use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other 
 files I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier 
 just 

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a good 
time to fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash installed on 
Safari. Pages load faster when Flash ads and videos aren't running and 
if you do want one you just action the spot and that particular flash 
widget is allowed to load. Details on this are in the email archives but 
if you want to get that set up and get stuck just ask. I did mine years 
ago so I'd have to dig up the URLs and such.


CB

On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Steve,

I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never 
happened to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, 
try a cmd-a to Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its 
Format menu and choose “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff. 
 You can then read it without all the extraneous garbage.


Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com 
mailto:steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:


I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the 
damn site started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop 
them? It’s still babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can 
close the window of Safari byt then I can’t read the article. I hate 
auto play. I can’t find any controls to stop the playback. This just 
sucks!


On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com 
mailto:kilbu...@me.com wrote:



Hi Alex,

Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and 
re-partition your drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any 
subsequent partitions should be done later on the live drive.  This 
will ensure that the Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not 
sure where the other individual got there info but this is sound 
practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks 
Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” 
utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition 
will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, 
then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in order to 
create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that you 
need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery 
Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to


http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html

for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have 
carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.


Hope this makes sense.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to 
my external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung 
for about thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve 
come to dread. Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition 
won’t even boot.


As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to 
format the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, 
the question is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one 
Macintosh HD and one OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean 
install back in March, I had only the Macintosh HD partition and so 
didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that partition, but didn’t 
actually erase it, as people I asked told me that completely 
erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the 
OS, or will the installer partition as necessary?

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:


Hi,

For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping 
partitions etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and 
re-partition anyway.  Regarding grabbing those files, if you 
startup from your thumb drive, then go under it’s Apple menu to 
Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 beta 
partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of 
the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you 
could quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever 
media you want.  You could then go ahead and do the total 
wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive. 
 It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be done from a 
external source in order to completely reformat the drive.


If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the 
drive is in fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use 
Terminal commands to grab those files or just give up on them.


HTH.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with 

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Steve Holmes
Yeah, I tried the reader toggle from the toolbar and that made the reading much 
easier. Thanks for the idea of pasting into a text file. That’s one way to skin 
the cat. That’s interesting that it didn’t auto play for you. That should be 
another option for Safari just like auto opening of downloads. I have opening 
of downloads turned off. I would much rather download and then play or open 
later when I’m ready. 

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Steve,
 
 I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never happened 
 to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a cmd-a to 
 Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu and choose 
 “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read it without all 
 the extraneous garbage.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
 started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
 babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari 
 byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any 
 controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
 should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
 Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
 there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
 your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
 “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
 Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
 Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
 order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that 
 you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition 
 is not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
 over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are 
 you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
 partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
 will the installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, 
 then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to 
 select the 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK 
 in that area of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, 
 you could quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever 
 media you want.  You could then go ahead and do the total 
 wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best 
 to do it from there since it needs to be done from a external source in 
 order to completely reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is 
 in fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to 
 grab those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve 

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi Chris,

I could be off-base, but I believe that functionality may be built-in to the 
newer Safari installations.  In the Advance pane of Safari, there is a section 
called “Internet Plugins” and directly after it, there is a checkbox that reads 
something to the effect “Stop Plugins from Playing Automatically”.  I have it 
checked and, maybe that’s why it didn’t start auto-playing for me.  When this 
is set this way, a little button appears in Safari saying something about 
“Safari Power Saver, Click to Play”.  I believe that it will then add that 
address into the list of acceptable auto-play sites.

This may not be the same, but it sure sounds like it to me.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a good time 
 to fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash installed on Safari. Pages 
 load faster when Flash ads and videos aren't running and if you do want one 
 you just action the spot and that particular flash widget is allowed to load. 
 Details on this are in the email archives but if you want to get that set up 
 and get stuck just ask. I did mine years ago so I'd have to dig up the URLs 
 and such.
 
 CB
 
 On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Steve,
 
 I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never happened 
 to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a cmd-a to 
 Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu and choose 
 “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read it without 
 all the extraneous garbage.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn 
 site started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s 
 still babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of 
 Safari byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find 
 any controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
 should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the 
 Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other 
 individual got there info but this is sound practice.  If you used 
 DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb 
 drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks 
 Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically created. 
  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must 
 have already existed in order to create a proper installation.  The 
 problem in your case is that you need to do a total re-format, so, using 
 the existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have 
 carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted 
 that partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me 
 that completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. 
 Are you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
 partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
 will the installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, 
 then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you 

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Steve Holmes
I never installed flash on my machine. Though click to flash maybe an 
interesting option  to look at. I just didn’t think it necessary if flash isn’t 
installed at all. Odd that I couldn’t find any controls to control playback. At 
least when Audio Boo does this, you can find the controls to start/stop playing.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:04 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a good time 
 to fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash installed on Safari. Pages 
 load faster when Flash ads and videos aren't running and if you do want one 
 you just action the spot and that particular flash widget is allowed to load. 
 Details on this are in the email archives but if you want to get that set up 
 and get stuck just ask. I did mine years ago so I'd have to dig up the URLs 
 and such.
 
 CB
 
 On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Steve,
 
 I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never happened 
 to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a cmd-a to 
 Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu and choose 
 “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read it without 
 all the extraneous garbage.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn 
 site started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s 
 still babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of 
 Safari byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find 
 any controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
 should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the 
 Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other 
 individual got there info but this is sound practice.  If you used 
 DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb 
 drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks 
 Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically created. 
  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must 
 have already existed in order to create a proper installation.  The 
 problem in your case is that you need to do a total re-format, so, using 
 the existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have 
 carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted 
 that partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me 
 that completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. 
 Are you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
 partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
 will the installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, 
 then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to 
 select the 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK 
 in that area of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the 
 OS, you could quickly get the files you want and place them onto 
 whatever media you want.  You could then go ahead and do the total 
 wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s 
 best to do it from there since it 

Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

2014-06-06 Thread Eugenia Firth
Thanks Tim. So to clarify here, I do have it right that one should press 
command s if you're in Pages and you want to make sure, before you quit for the 
day, that you have saved your file so that the one you like is the latest 
version? 

Gigi 

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Not that this helps your situation at all, but, just a clarification for you. 
  Anything that is in iCloud, is also on your Mac already.  Therefore, moving 
 those items out of the iCloud area does not specifically do anything 
 profound, in fact, you're losing one backup location.
 
 For example:
 
 * File xyz.pages saved in iCloud resides off in Cyber Space, in 
 /Users/YourAccount/Library/Mobile Document/blah blah blah, and in your Time 
 Machine location if you use Time Machine.  Thus, three places to recover from.
 * File abc.pages stored somewhere else on your Mac such as the Desktop, is in 
 /Users/YourAccount/Desktop/abc.pages and in your Time Machine backup.  So, 
 only two locations.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys 
 I have another request for testing when some of you get around to it. I 
 discovered a very bad bug in Pages having to do with the iPhone and iCloud. 
 Don't do what I did or you can lose your files or parts thereof that are 
 near and dear to you heart. Part of this is a VoiceOver issue, and part is 
 not. Here is the disaster I created for myself. 
 
 Last night I worked on a Pages file until 10 o'clock. I failed to press 
 command s, and this turned out to be a very bad decision. I made an even 
 worse decision this morning. This file had two tables in it. I decided to 
 see if tables would ok on the iPhone; they work great on the Mac these days. 
 
 So, I fired up my iPhone in Pages. I was using the Focus 14 braille display 
 and discovered that I could get into a table, no prob, get into a cell, no 
 prob, but could not delete characters I wanted to take out with chord d. 
 Then in messing around somehow, and I still don't knowhow I did this, I 
 erased one of the tables. I tried to undo it, and it didn't work. 
 
 So I went back to the Mac, and sure enough it was gone. Then I decided to 
 see if I could get an older version. That was when I found out that I 
 couldn't read with VoiceOver what my version choices were except for one, 
 the one at 8 o'clock yesterday evening. I was hoping I had a later one, so I 
 had to call that 877 number again so the lady with Apple could look at my 
 screen by helping me to move the mouse without VoiceOver saying a word. She 
 told me I had three choices, none of which were at 10 o'clock last night. 
 This meant I had to do two hours work over. I also moved all my Pages files 
 off the Cloud so I can use my Time Machine backup for disasters. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for 
 accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:
 
 Please do reread his post. He didn't say please tell me what you're 
 testing, he said If you're a tester, please look at this if you can 
 because it was unaccessible last time. Which anyone could do with no 
 problems while not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
 
 Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a 
 vm!
 The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
 On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they 
 are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and 
 time and time again.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, 
 please test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't 
 very accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then 
 people may want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a 
 document as you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a 
 Mac.
 
 Thank you.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

2014-06-06 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Yes, for sure, it's always best to do the cmd-s prior to going away from any 
document.  They did have TextEdit and Pages set to do this automatically back 
in Lion, I think, but I don't trust that method anyway.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Thanks Tim. So to clarify here, I do have it right that one should press 
 command s if you're in Pages and you want to make sure, before you quit for 
 the day, that you have saved your file so that the one you like is the latest 
 version? 
 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Not that this helps your situation at all, but, just a clarification for 
 you.  Anything that is in iCloud, is also on your Mac already.  Therefore, 
 moving those items out of the iCloud area does not specifically do anything 
 profound, in fact, you're losing one backup location.
 
 For example:
 
 * File xyz.pages saved in iCloud resides off in Cyber Space, in 
 /Users/YourAccount/Library/Mobile Document/blah blah blah, and in your Time 
 Machine location if you use Time Machine.  Thus, three places to recover 
 from.
 * File abc.pages stored somewhere else on your Mac such as the Desktop, is 
 in /Users/YourAccount/Desktop/abc.pages and in your Time Machine backup.  
 So, only two locations.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys 
 I have another request for testing when some of you get around to it. I 
 discovered a very bad bug in Pages having to do with the iPhone and iCloud. 
 Don't do what I did or you can lose your files or parts thereof that are 
 near and dear to you heart. Part of this is a VoiceOver issue, and part is 
 not. Here is the disaster I created for myself. 
 
 Last night I worked on a Pages file until 10 o'clock. I failed to press 
 command s, and this turned out to be a very bad decision. I made an even 
 worse decision this morning. This file had two tables in it. I decided to 
 see if tables would ok on the iPhone; they work great on the Mac these 
 days. 
 
 So, I fired up my iPhone in Pages. I was using the Focus 14 braille display 
 and discovered that I could get into a table, no prob, get into a cell, no 
 prob, but could not delete characters I wanted to take out with chord d. 
 Then in messing around somehow, and I still don't knowhow I did this, I 
 erased one of the tables. I tried to undo it, and it didn't work. 
 
 So I went back to the Mac, and sure enough it was gone. Then I decided to 
 see if I could get an older version. That was when I found out that I 
 couldn't read with VoiceOver what my version choices were except for one, 
 the one at 8 o'clock yesterday evening. I was hoping I had a later one, so 
 I had to call that 877 number again so the lady with Apple could look at my 
 screen by helping me to move the mouse without VoiceOver saying a word. She 
 told me I had three choices, none of which were at 10 o'clock last night. 
 This meant I had to do two hours work over. I also moved all my Pages files 
 off the Cloud so I can use my Time Machine backup for disasters. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for 
 accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:
 
 Please do reread his post. He didn't say please tell me what you're 
 testing, he said If you're a tester, please look at this if you can 
 because it was unaccessible last time. Which anyone could do with no 
 problems while not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
 
 Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a 
 vm!
 The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
 On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what 
 they are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say 
 time and time and time again.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
 blind built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, 
 please test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't 
 very accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then 
 people may want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at 
 a document as you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone 
 and a Mac.
 
 Thank you.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Steve Holmes
Interesting; I just looked there and my option is also checked. It played for 
me though. Wonder if there is another option some place.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Chris,
 
 I could be off-base, but I believe that functionality may be built-in to the 
 newer Safari installations.  In the Advance pane of Safari, there is a 
 section called “Internet Plugins” and directly after it, there is a checkbox 
 that reads something to the effect “Stop Plugins from Playing Automatically”. 
  I have it checked and, maybe that’s why it didn’t start auto-playing for me. 
  When this is set this way, a little button appears in Safari saying 
 something about “Safari Power Saver, Click to Play”.  I believe that it will 
 then add that address into the list of acceptable auto-play sites.
 
 This may not be the same, but it sure sounds like it to me.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a good time 
 to fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash installed on Safari. 
 Pages load faster when Flash ads and videos aren't running and if you do 
 want one you just action the spot and that particular flash widget is 
 allowed to load. Details on this are in the email archives but if you want 
 to get that set up and get stuck just ask. I did mine years ago so I'd have 
 to dig up the URLs and such.
 
 CB
 
 On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Steve,
 
 I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never happened 
 to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a cmd-a to 
 Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu and choose 
 “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read it without 
 all the extraneous garbage.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn 
 site started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? 
 It’s still babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the 
 window of Safari byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I 
 can’t find any controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition 
 your drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent 
 partitions should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that 
 the Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other 
 individual got there info but this is sound practice.  If you used 
 DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb 
 drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks 
 Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically 
 created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery 
 Partition must have already existed in order to create a proper 
 installation.  The problem in your case is that you need to do a total 
 re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is not of any 
 benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have 
 carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to 
 format the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the 
 question is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh 
 HD and one OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in 
 March, I had only the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to 
 worry. I reformatted that partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as 
 people I asked told me that completely erasing the Macintosh HD 
 partition could turn out badly. Are you saying that I should format the 
 entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect 
 the installation of the OS, or will the installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry 

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Tim Kilburn
Steve,

When I go to that site and do Item Chooser, enter the word “power”, I get the 
“Safari Power Saver, Click to Start Flash Plugin”.  In fact, one time I got 
only instance and another time I got two instances of Flash stuff.  In your 
Safari Preferences, in that same area, press the Details button and see if 
MacWorld is in the list of allowed Flash content sites.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Interesting; I just looked there and my option is also checked. It played for 
 me though. Wonder if there is another option some place.
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Chris,
 
 I could be off-base, but I believe that functionality may be built-in to the 
 newer Safari installations.  In the Advance pane of Safari, there is a 
 section called “Internet Plugins” and directly after it, there is a checkbox 
 that reads something to the effect “Stop Plugins from Playing 
 Automatically”.  I have it checked and, maybe that’s why it didn’t start 
 auto-playing for me.  When this is set this way, a little button appears in 
 Safari saying something about “Safari Power Saver, Click to Play”.  I 
 believe that it will then add that address into the list of acceptable 
 auto-play sites.
 
 This may not be the same, but it sure sounds like it to me.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a good time 
 to fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash installed on Safari. 
 Pages load faster when Flash ads and videos aren't running and if you do 
 want one you just action the spot and that particular flash widget is 
 allowed to load. Details on this are in the email archives but if you want 
 to get that set up and get stuck just ask. I did mine years ago so I'd have 
 to dig up the URLs and such.
 
 CB
 
 On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Steve,
 
 I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never 
 happened to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a 
 cmd-a to Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu 
 and choose “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read 
 it without all the extraneous garbage.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn 
 site started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? 
 It’s still babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the 
 window of Safari byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I 
 can’t find any controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition 
 your drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent 
 partitions should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure 
 that the Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the 
 other individual got there info but this is sound practice.  If you used 
 DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb 
 drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks 
 Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically 
 created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery 
 Partition must have already existed in order to create a proper 
 installation.  The problem in your case is that you need to do a total 
 re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is not of any 
 benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have 
 carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for 
 about thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to 
 dread. Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even 
 boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to 
 format the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the 
 question is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh 
 HD and one OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in 
 March, I had only the Macintosh HD 

RE: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

2014-06-06 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hi Gigi,

 

I can commensurate with you. When I was in grad school between 2005-2008, I
did the same thing. Unfortunately, when I always attempted to recreate what
I had deleted, it never came out the way it did the first time. I was using
a PC at the time and all of my problems existed because I would highlight
some text, but because it was probably in the wee hours, I didn't move the
cursor off to deselect and save the doc without realizing that I had lost a
file or important text. Control-S (PC or Command-S (Mac) became my friend. I
also elected to check to make an automatic backup of any document. At least
that would save my buns if I repeated the stupid mistake. I really do feel
for you. I hope you can reconstruct the tables less than 2 hours. 

 

Best, 

Eileen 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugenia Firth
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 9:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on
the Mac.

 

Hi guys 

I have another request for testing when some of you get around to it. I
discovered a very bad bug in Pages having to do with the iPhone and iCloud.
Don't do what I did or you can lose your files or parts thereof that are
near and dear to you heart. Part of this is a VoiceOver issue, and part is
not. Here is the disaster I created for myself. 

 

Last night I worked on a Pages file until 10 o'clock. I failed to press
command s, and this turned out to be a very bad decision. I made an even
worse decision this morning. This file had two tables in it. I decided to
see if tables would ok on the iPhone; they work great on the Mac these days.


 

So, I fired up my iPhone in Pages. I was using the Focus 14 braille display
and discovered that I could get into a table, no prob, get into a cell, no
prob, but could not delete characters I wanted to take out with chord d.
Then in messing around somehow, and I still don't knowhow I did this, I
erased one of the tables. I tried to undo it, and it didn't work. 

 

So I went back to the Mac, and sure enough it was gone. Then I decided to
see if I could get an older version. That was when I found out that I
couldn't read with VoiceOver what my version choices were except for one,
the one at 8 o'clock yesterday evening. I was hoping I had a later one, so I
had to call that 877 number again so the lady with Apple could look at my
screen by helping me to move the mouse without VoiceOver saying a word. She
told me I had three choices, none of which were at 10 o'clock last night.
This meant I had to do two hours work over. I also moved all my Pages files
off the Cloud so I can use my Time Machine backup for disasters. 

 

Regards, 

Gigi 

 

On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:





I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for
accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 


On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:

Please do reread his post. He didn't say please tell me what you're
testing, he said If you're a tester, please look at this if you can
because it was unaccessible last time. Which anyone could do with no
problems while not disclosing any information about the beta itself.

Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a vm!
The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they
are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and
time and time again. 

 

 

Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

 

On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:





Hello.

For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, please
test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't very
accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then people may
want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a document as
you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a Mac.

Thank you.

Kawal.

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Re: turning off the mac

2014-06-06 Thread matthew dyer
Hi,

I just press 
control eject and the shut down box appears and i press enter and my iMac shuts 
down.  HTH.

Matthew

On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:22 AM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 I assume most people turn their mac off at night rather than just putting it 
 into sleep mode.  Right?  
 If you do turn it off, how do you do it?  I turn mine off using vo command 
 eject.  I purchased the learning the mac discussed a few days back, and in 
 there she says to press the power button for about 3 seconds to shut down.
 
 Is one method any better than the other?  
 
 Thanks,
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Robert C
   Its amusing and sad at the same time when folks state that they will 
not pay for something that used to be free. Free is not truly free, it 
will cost us somewhere sometime. If its not worth paying for something, 
we dont need to hear it for its a choice we all make.


   The same mindset came up when Taptapsee began charging for their 
service. It was amusing to see how many people said they would delete 
the app rather than pay for something that used to be free. They must 
not have really needed that app.


   If I want this DVS service bad enough, I will pay for it. I will 
just not pay for something else, like one cup less of coffee per week 
perhaps. LOL


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On 6/6/2014 11:00 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

Well, the other guys had a free service. Where are they now? I'll tell you 
where they are. they're broke! The unfortunate fact here is anyone offering a 
service like this, using apps, servers, etc. will have to have some kind of 
business model to keep them afloat. Hence someone has to pay for it some how. 
You can't always count on subsidies or grants to keep a business going. I 
assume this group has some people on staff working full or part time. Those 
people need to eat and pay rent...

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:


I will not pay for a subscription just to see a descriptive movie.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:

That's right. they're toast!

This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and all so Movie 
Reading is another orphaned app sigh.


On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello all,

I am confused.
I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use faceBook or 
twitter. :)

http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/

http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/

I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just won't 
have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new news? The last 
I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no longer going to be an 
option for described movies and TV shows.

Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
Christina

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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Jessica D
Who wants to pay $25 or more a month just for disc riptide movies? 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, the other guys had a free service. Where are they now? I'll tell you 
 where they are. they're broke! The unfortunate fact here is anyone offering a 
 service like this, using apps, servers, etc. will have to have some kind of 
 business model to keep them afloat. Hence someone has to pay for it some how. 
 You can't always count on subsidies or grants to keep a business going. I 
 assume this group has some people on staff working full or part time. Those 
 people need to eat and pay rent...
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I will not pay for a subscription just to see a descriptive movie.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That's right. they're toast!
 
 This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and 
 all so Movie Reading is another orphaned app sigh.
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I am confused. 
 I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use faceBook 
 or twitter. :)
 
 http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/
 
 http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/
 
 I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just 
 won't have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new 
 news? The last I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no 
 longer going to be an option for described movies and TV shows.
 
 Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
 Christina
 
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Jessica D
I want it but not for $25 or more month. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Its amusing and sad at the same time when folks state that they will not 
 pay for something that used to be free. Free is not truly free, it will cost 
 us somewhere sometime. If its not worth paying for something, we dont need to 
 hear it for its a choice we all make.
 
   The same mindset came up when Taptapsee began charging for their service. 
 It was amusing to see how many people said they would delete the app rather 
 than pay for something that used to be free. They must not have really needed 
 that app.
 
   If I want this DVS service bad enough, I will pay for it. I will just not 
 pay for something else, like one cup less of coffee per week perhaps. LOL
 
 Quote of the nanosecond . . .
 Patience is also a form of action.
 --Auguste Rodin, sculptor (1840-1917)
 Robert  Annie Yanni ke7nwn
 E-mail-
 gone.to.da...@gmail.com
 
 On 6/6/2014 11:00 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
 Well, the other guys had a free service. Where are they now? I'll tell you 
 where they are. they're broke! The unfortunate fact here is anyone offering 
 a service like this, using apps, servers, etc. will have to have some kind 
 of business model to keep them afloat. Hence someone has to pay for it some 
 how. You can't always count on subsidies or grants to keep a business going. 
 I assume this group has some people on staff working full or part time. 
 Those people need to eat and pay rent...
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I will not pay for a subscription just to see a descriptive movie.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That's right. they're toast!
 
 This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and 
 all so Movie Reading is another orphaned app sigh.
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I am confused.
 I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use 
 faceBook or twitter. :)
 
 http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/
 
 http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/
 
 I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just 
 won't have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new 
 news? The last I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no 
 longer going to be an option for described movies and TV shows.
 
 Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
 Christina
 
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Re: turning off the mac

2014-06-06 Thread Christopher Hallsworth

I do this as well.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 06/06/2014 19:42, matthew dyer wrote:

Hi,

I just press
control eject and the shut down box appears and i press enter and my iMac shuts 
down.  HTH.

Matthew

On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:22 AM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:


Hi All,

I assume most people turn their mac off at night rather than just putting it 
into sleep mode.  Right?
If you do turn it off, how do you do it?  I turn mine off using vo command 
eject.  I purchased the learning the mac discussed a few days back, and in 
there she says to press the power button for about 3 seconds to shut down.

Is one method any better than the other?

Thanks,
Don


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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Robert C
   Then its neither here nor there. Its tough making choices but we 
have to do it daily on many things. I do without many things because my 
budget cannot stretch enough. If $25 a month is too much, perhaps you 
want to contact the good folks running the service and see if they will 
offer other plans. Whonose.


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On 6/6/2014 11:48 AM, Jessica D wrote:

I want it but not for $25 or more month.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:

   Its amusing and sad at the same time when folks state that they will not pay 
for something that used to be free. Free is not truly free, it will cost us 
somewhere sometime. If its not worth paying for something, we dont need to hear 
it for its a choice we all make.

   The same mindset came up when Taptapsee began charging for their service. It 
was amusing to see how many people said they would delete the app rather than 
pay for something that used to be free. They must not have really needed that 
app.

   If I want this DVS service bad enough, I will pay for it. I will just not 
pay for something else, like one cup less of coffee per week perhaps. LOL

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Patience is also a form of action.
--Auguste Rodin, sculptor (1840-1917)
Robert  Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
gone.to.da...@gmail.com


On 6/6/2014 11:00 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
Well, the other guys had a free service. Where are they now? I'll tell you 
where they are. they're broke! The unfortunate fact here is anyone offering a 
service like this, using apps, servers, etc. will have to have some kind of 
business model to keep them afloat. Hence someone has to pay for it some how. 
You can't always count on subsidies or grants to keep a business going. I 
assume this group has some people on staff working full or part time. Those 
people need to eat and pay rent...


On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:

I will not pay for a subscription just to see a descriptive movie.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:

That's right. they're toast!

This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and all so Movie 
Reading is another orphaned app sigh.


On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello all,

I am confused.
I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use faceBook or 
twitter. :)

http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/

http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/

I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just won't 
have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new news? The last 
I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no longer going to be an 
option for described movies and TV shows.

Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
Christina

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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Christina C.
So, is this $25 a month just to have access to the audio description? I believe 
Zagga Entertainment will be charging a subscription but I think it includes the 
whole movie and not just the descriptive track. I could be wrong though. I am 
easily confused. There are so many emails and frankly, I just get lost. :)

Christina

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Re: VM Windows 7 and Window-eyes, anyone running this configuration?

2014-06-06 Thread matthew dyer
Hi Bill.

I have a vmware  machine  with windows 7 with we 8.4   using the window-eyes 
for office.  What are you wanting to know.

Matthew


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 If so, I have a few questions about how you deal with certain WE isses.
 Bill
  
  
 
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Jessica D
I think it includes the entire movie. But still, who wants to pay that much for 
a movie?

Sent from my iPhone

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 So, is this $25 a month just to have access to the audio description? I 
 believe Zagga Entertainment will be charging a subscription but I think it 
 includes the whole movie and not just the descriptive track. I could be wrong 
 though. I am easily confused. There are so many emails and frankly, I just 
 get lost. :)
 
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Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

2014-06-06 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there
I didn't, but it's okay. Luckily for me, the text doesn't have to be exactly 
like I had it the first time. I sure wish I knew how I deleted that table on 
the iPhone.
Sincerely,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

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 Hi Gigi,
  
 I can commensurate with you. When I was in grad school between 2005-2008, I 
 did the same thing. Unfortunately, when I always attempted to recreate what I 
 had deleted, it never came out the way it did the first time. I was using a 
 PC at the time and all of my problems existed because I would highlight some 
 text, but because it was probably in the wee hours, I didn’t move the cursor 
 off to deselect and save the doc without realizing that I had lost a file or 
 important text. Control-S (PC or Command-S (Mac) became my friend. I also 
 elected to check to make an automatic backup of any document. At least that 
 would save my buns if I repeated the stupid mistake. I really do feel for 
 you. I hope you can reconstruct the tables less than 2 hours.
  
 Best,
 Eileen
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugenia Firth
 Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 9:57 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on 
 the Mac.
  
 Hi guys 
 I have another request for testing when some of you get around to it. I 
 discovered a very bad bug in Pages having to do with the iPhone and iCloud. 
 Don't do what I did or you can lose your files or parts thereof that are near 
 and dear to you heart. Part of this is a VoiceOver issue, and part is not. 
 Here is the disaster I created for myself. 
  
 Last night I worked on a Pages file until 10 o'clock. I failed to press 
 command s, and this turned out to be a very bad decision. I made an even 
 worse decision this morning. This file had two tables in it. I decided to see 
 if tables would ok on the iPhone; they work great on the Mac these days. 
  
 So, I fired up my iPhone in Pages. I was using the Focus 14 braille display 
 and discovered that I could get into a table, no prob, get into a cell, no 
 prob, but could not delete characters I wanted to take out with chord d. Then 
 in messing around somehow, and I still don't knowhow I did this, I erased one 
 of the tables. I tried to undo it, and it didn't work. 
  
 So I went back to the Mac, and sure enough it was gone. Then I decided to see 
 if I could get an older version. That was when I found out that I couldn't 
 read with VoiceOver what my version choices were except for one, the one at 8 
 o'clock yesterday evening. I was hoping I had a later one, so I had to call 
 that 877 number again so the lady with Apple could look at my screen by 
 helping me to move the mouse without VoiceOver saying a word. She told me I 
 had three choices, none of which were at 10 o'clock last night. This meant I 
 had to do two hours work over. I also moved all my Pages files off the Cloud 
 so I can use my Time Machine backup for disasters. 
  
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
  
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 
 I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for 
 accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:
 
 Please do reread his post. He didn't say please tell me what you're 
 testing, he said If you're a tester, please look at this if you can because 
 it was unaccessible last time. Which anyone could do with no problems while 
 not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
 
 Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a vm!
 The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
 On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they are 
 testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and time 
 and time again.
  
  
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
  
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 
 Hello.
 
 For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, please 
 test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't very 
 accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then people may want 
 to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a document as you'd 
 want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a Mac.
 
 Thank you.
 
 Kawal.
 
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RE: VM Windows 7 and Window-eyes, anyone running this configuration?

2014-06-06 Thread Bill Holton
Hi.

I have a chronic problem when resuming the VM when Window-Eyes will start
reading the current clip and never stop or even allow interruptability until
I close WE and reopen it.  Is this something you experience?

Thanks.

 

 

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Subject: Re: VM Windows 7 and Window-eyes, anyone running this
configuration?

 

Hi Bill.

 

I have a vmware  machine  with windows 7 with we 8.4   using the window-eyes
for office.  What are you wanting to know.

 

Matthew

 

 

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If so, I have a few questions about how you deal with certain WE isses.

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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Christina C.
Where did you get this info about the charges? I thought you all were saying 
it's $25 for a subscription but not $25 per movie. I  pay netflix like $10 or 
something like that for their streaming service but that does not include any 
newer or very popular movies. 
On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it includes the entire movie. But still, who wants to pay that much 
 for a movie?
 
 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Robert C
   Why dont you get the facts for us and give us accurate information. 
$25 per movie or $25 per month, unlimited etc etc etc.


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On 6/6/2014 12:00 PM, Jessica D wrote:

I think it includes the entire movie. But still, who wants to pay that much for 
a movie?

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:

So, is this $25 a month just to have access to the audio description? I believe 
Zagga Entertainment will be charging a subscription but I think it includes the 
whole movie and not just the descriptive track. I could be wrong though. I am 
easily confused. There are so many emails and frankly, I just get lost. :)

Christina

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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Jessica D
It is $25 for six months of service. Here is the website.


http://igg.me/at/zagga

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So, is this $25 a month just to have access to the audio description? I 
 believe Zagga Entertainment will be charging a subscription but I think it 
 includes the whole movie and not just the descriptive track. I could be wrong 
 though. I am easily confused. There are so many emails and frankly, I just 
 get lost. :)
 
 Christina
 
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Robert C

   Now that does not sound bad at all. That is about $4 a month.

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On 6/6/2014 12:26 PM, Jessica D wrote:

It is $25 for six months of service. Here is the website.


http://igg.me/at/zagga

Sent from my iPhone


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So, is this $25 a month just to have access to the audio description? I believe 
Zagga Entertainment will be charging a subscription but I think it includes the 
whole movie and not just the descriptive track. I could be wrong though. I am 
easily confused. There are so many emails and frankly, I just get lost. :)

Christina

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Re: VM Windows 7 and Window-eyes, anyone running this configuration?

2014-06-06 Thread matthew dyer
No not at all.  I have not used my vm in a while.  i am not sure what is going 
on.


On Jun 6, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi.
 I have a chronic problem when resuming the VM when Window-Eyes will start 
 reading the current clip and never stop or even allow interruptability until 
 I close WE and reopen it.  Is this something you experience?
 Thanks.
  
  
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 Subject: Re: VM Windows 7 and Window-eyes, anyone running this configuration?
  
 Hi Bill.
  
 I have a vmware  machine  with windows 7 with we 8.4   using the window-eyes 
 for office.  What are you wanting to know.
  
 Matthew
  
  
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Alex Hall
Well, this is odd. Absolutely everything in the partition tab is dimmed, 
including the all-important “add” button. I don’t know if I did something, or 
if this is more evidence of drive problems, but I’m unable to add a partition. 
Did I miss a step, like erasing both existing partitions first?
On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive.  That is, 
 the thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever make your HD is, not 
 the already partitioned volumes.  Then, go to the Partition tab and partition 
 your HD with one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) with name Macintosh 
 HD.  As well, press the Options button in this window and ensure that your HD 
 will have the GUID schema.  Apply this change and you’ll have one volume on 
 your drive with name “Macintosh HD”.  When you run the Mavericks Installer 
 from your thumb drive, the Recovery Partition will be automatically created.
 
 Hope this is clearer.  Sorry for any confusion.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
 articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply 
 that you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the 
 only partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase 
 that partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
 automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does not 
 already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I want to 
 do everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your patience.
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
 should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
 Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
 there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
 your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
 “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
 Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
 Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
 order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that 
 you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition 
 is not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
 over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are 
 you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
 partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
 will the installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, 
 then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to 
 select the 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK 
 in that area of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, 
 you could quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever 
 media you want.  You could then go ahead and do the total 
 wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best 
 to do it from there since it needs 

Re: is soloDX finished or not?

2014-06-06 Thread Christina C.
$25 for six months is an excellent price. Ok, but I'm confused. I think I must 
have missed something in the email string. Have we been talking about Zagga the 
whole time and not soloDX? I thought the mention of the $25 was referring to 
soloDX?  Did zagga purchase soloDX? My original inquiry was about soloDX, 
particularly because I was curious about the movieReading app that seemed 
exciting but bombed out or something.

I am excited about Zagga and can't wait until it's rolled out for prime time 
though. :)

Christina
On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is $25 for six months of service. Here is the website.
 
 
 http://igg.me/at/zagga
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So, is this $25 a month just to have access to the audio description? I 
 believe Zagga Entertainment will be charging a subscription but I think it 
 includes the whole movie and not just the descriptive track. I could be 
 wrong though. I am easily confused. There are so many emails and frankly, I 
 just get lost. :)
 
 Christina
 
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Very similar. Just turned off click to flash to play with it. The Stop 
plug-ins to save power checkbox in advanced by itself didn't seem to 
stop youtube from autoplaying. What did work was going to Security and 
then hitting the Manage Wesite Settings button next to the Allow Website 
Plug-ins checkbox. In there I could pick the Adobe Flash Player plugin 
and then set the when visiting other websites to Ask. That stopped 
Flash but then I couldn't find the video on the page at all. I seemed to 
skip right over it. ClickToFlash had each flash element show up as 
Flash Clickable with voiceover so I could make the video play but skip 
the ad. I also set the default media player in ClickToFlash to html5 and 
turned off Load Media player automatically so Youtube just sits there 
with an object called HTML5 clickable. Somehow it gets some sites to 
switch to using html5 video.


CB

On 6/6/14, 2:12 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi Chris,

I could be off-base, but I believe that functionality may be built-in 
to the newer Safari installations.  In the Advance pane of Safari, 
there is a section called “Internet Plugins” and directly after it, 
there is a checkbox that reads something to the effect “Stop Plugins 
from Playing Automatically”.  I have it checked and, maybe that’s why 
it didn’t start auto-playing for me.  When this is set this way, a 
little button appears in Safari saying something about “Safari Power 
Saver, Click to Play”.  I believe that it will then add that address 
into the list of acceptable auto-play sites.


This may not be the same, but it sure sounds like it to me.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:


Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a 
good time to fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash 
installed on Safari. Pages load faster when Flash ads and videos 
aren't running and if you do want one you just action the spot and 
that particular flash widget is allowed to load. Details on this are 
in the email archives but if you want to get that set up and get 
stuck just ask. I did mine years ago so I'd have to dig up the URLs 
and such.


CB

On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Steve,

I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never 
happened to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, 
try a cmd-a to Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its 
Format menu and choose “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff. 
 You can then read it without all the extraneous garbage.


Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com 
mailto:steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:


I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the 
damn site started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I 
stop them? It’s still babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I 
can close the window of Safari byt then I can’t read the article. I 
hate auto play. I can’t find any controls to stop the playback. 
This just sucks!


On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com 
mailto:kilbu...@me.com wrote:



Hi Alex,

Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, 
after starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and 
re-partition your drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any 
subsequent partitions should be done later on the live drive. 
 This will ensure that the Recovery Partition is created properly. 
 Not sure where the other individual got there info but this is 
sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable 
Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create 
Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the 
Disk Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already 
existed in order to create a proper installation.  The problem in 
your case is that you need to do a total re-format, so, using the 
existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to


http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html

for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform 
a complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may 
have carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.


Hope this makes sense.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over 
to my external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just 
hung for about thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound 
I’ve come to dread. Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main 
partition won’t even boot.


As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how 
to format the 

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Downside of having no flash is some sites insist on using it to play 
video, so going 100% no flash can leave you with no video at all.


CB

On 6/6/14, 2:13 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

I never installed flash on my machine. Though click to flash maybe an 
interesting option  to look at. I just didn’t think it necessary if flash isn’t 
installed at all. Odd that I couldn’t find any controls to control playback. At 
least when Audio Boo does this, you can find the controls to start/stop playing.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:04 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:


Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a good time to 
fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash installed on Safari. Pages load 
faster when Flash ads and videos aren't running and if you do want one you just 
action the spot and that particular flash widget is allowed to load. Details on 
this are in the email archives but if you want to get that set up and get stuck 
just ask. I did mine years ago so I'd have to dig up the URLs and such.

CB

On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Steve,

I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never happened to 
me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a cmd-a to Select 
All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu and choose “Make Plain 
Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read it without all the 
extraneous garbage.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:


I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari byt 
then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any controls to 
stop the playback. This just sucks!

On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:


Hi Alex,

Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after starting 
up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your drive to one 
partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should be done later 
on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery Partition is created 
properly.  Not sure where the other individual got there info but this is sound 
practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, 
on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the 
Mavericks Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically 
created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must 
have already existed in order to create a proper installation.  The problem in 
your case is that you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing 
Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to

http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html

for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a complete 
wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried over thus 
any disk structure issues would have persisted.

Hope this makes sense.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:


Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my external 
hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about thirty seconds, 
while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, it’s working, 
thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.

As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format the 
drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question is, what 
do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one OS X Beta 
Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only the Macintosh 
HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that partition, but 
didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that completely erasing the 
Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you saying that I should 
format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If I do that, won’t it 
affect the installation of the OS, or will the installer partition as necessary?
On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:


Hi,

For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions etc., 
you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  Regarding 
grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then go under it’s 
Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 beta 
partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of the HD.  Once 
you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could quickly get the files you 
want and place them onto whatever media you want.  You could then go ahead and 
do the total 

Re: Where do I go to read system dialogues?

2014-06-06 Thread Edward Green
Hi Jenine,

It should appear in the list if you press VO F1 twice quickly.  If it doesn't, 
try VO F2 twice quickly.

Cheers,

Ed
On 5 Jun 2014, at 20:25, Jenine Stanley dragonwalke...@gmail.com wrote:

 My MBP says I have 1 system dialogue but I don't know where to go to read it. 
 Any help would be hugely appreciated.   
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Planning to install windows 7 on my mac using bootcamp

2014-06-06 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
before i try  to install windows 7 on my mac, i would like to know about more 
into partitioning. do i need to partition it into ntfs? or can i do it onother 
format? so that i still manage all my files at the same time on mac and windows.

can i use an cracked windows installer on bootcamp? cause i dont have an 
original  one. because it would be so expensive if i'll buy one and purchase 
another screen reading software like JAWS.. 
t
That's all for now.

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Re: Planning to install windows 7 on my mac using bootcamp

2014-06-06 Thread Phil Halton
You'd best read the bootcamp utility guide pdf that you can download through 
the utility itself. it'll tell you all the dirty little details.

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wrote:

 before i try  to install windows 7 on my mac, i would like to know about more 
 into partitioning. do i need to partition it into ntfs? or can i do it 
 onother format? so that i still manage all my files at the same time on mac 
 and windows.
 
 can i use an cracked windows installer on bootcamp? cause i dont have an 
 original  one. because it would be so expensive if i'll buy one and purchase 
 another screen reading software like JAWS.. 
 t
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No Pitch Change when Backspacing with Alex

2014-06-06 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi everyone, this one isn't really a show stopper, but it's a little annoying 
and now that I've noticed it, I'm kind of challenged by the seeming randomness 
of it.
I'm not the biggest fan of the Alex voice, but over the last few days I've been 
using it to see if more use will cause it to grow on me. I have VO set up to 
raise the pitch for capital letters. This morning, when I was backspacing over 
some characters, I noticed that Alex wasn't raising the pitch of uppercase 
letters. At first I was worried that my keyboard was developing a hardware 
fault, but then I found that when I was arrowing around, the pitch was in fact 
raised correctly. I have my keyboard echo set to off, but when I enabled it, 
again I found that as I type, pitch is raised as expected, but only when I 
backspace over characters is there no pitch change.
I tried the same thing on my fiancee's Mac, and when backspacing over 
characters, it all worked fine. One difference is that on her Mac, she has it 
speak the word delete prior to deleting something and I don't.
So...I exported my VO preferences, and reset everything to defaults from the 
File Menu of the VO utility. This sets everything back to how it came out of 
the factory, keyboard echo, high verbosity, the lot. And still I don't get a 
pitch change when I backspace over uppercase letters.
Does anyone have any clue what might be going on? It's not so bad that I'd want 
to do a clean install of the whole OS or anything like that, but as I say it's 
a tiny nuisance and now it's got me curious.
Thanks.
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Re: No Pitch Change when Backspacing with Alex

2014-06-06 Thread alia robinson
I don't think it ever has indicated that they are uppercase when you backspace, 
but really I don't care, but wait I just tried it on mine, and the pitch 
changed. hmm, that is weird. I have my delete set to tones, you might try that. 

Alia
On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 the factory, keyboard echo, high verbosity, the lot. And still I don't get a 
 pitch change when I backspace over uppercase letters.
 Does anyone have any clue what might be going on? It's not so bad that I'd 
 want to do a clean install of the whole OS or anything like that, but as I 
 say it's a tiny nuisance and now it's got me curious.

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Re: No Pitch Change when Backspacing with Alex

2014-06-06 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi Alia, you are a genius! A genius! I think I Understand what was happening 
now. My when deleting text option was set to change pitch, so this 
counteracted the pitch change of the upper case letter.
So setting it to play tone did the job. Thanks a lot.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 7/06/2014, at 11:25 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't think it ever has indicated that they are uppercase when you 
 backspace, but really I don't care, but wait I just tried it on mine, and the 
 pitch changed. hmm, that is weird. I have my delete set to tones, you might 
 try that. 
 
 Alia
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 the factory, keyboard echo, high verbosity, the lot. And still I don't get a 
 pitch change when I backspace over uppercase letters.
 Does anyone have any clue what might be going on? It's not so bad that I'd 
 want to do a clean install of the whole OS or anything like that, but as I 
 say it's a tiny nuisance and now it's got me curious.
 
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Re: No Pitch Change when Backspacing with Alex

2014-06-06 Thread alia robinson
Yes, that makes perfect sense, glad this helped. 

Alia
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 Hi Alia, you are a genius! A genius! I think I Understand what was happening 
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi Alex,

Sorry I was so slow at responding.  I was fighting with a Server this afternoon 
and the battle isn’t won yet.  Anyway, those things are immaterial to your 
issues.  You don’t need to use the “Add” button at all.  Unless I’m 
misunderstanding you in some way, do things in this order:

• start up from your thumb drive.
• choose the Disk Utility option.
• select the drive in your Mini, should be listed as capacity followed by 
manufacturer.  (eg.  1 TB WDC)
• press once on the Partition tab.
• press on the “Current pop-up and set to one.
• make sure the format is MacOS Extended (Journaled).
• enter “Macintosh HD” for the name.
• press the Options button.  Make sure GUID is selected.
• press the Apply button.

Your drive will now be totally wiped removing any old partitions and creating a 
drive with volume “Macintosh HD” as a single partitioned drive.

• quit Disk Utility.
• choose Install MacOS X from the table and press Continue.
• follow the prompts to install Mavericks.

Let it do its thing.  It will restart and continue with the install then ask 
you to start filling in Apple ID info and such.  If you wish to create a new 
partition after the installation for other OS installations, go back into Disk 
Utility and use the Add button from there.  Remember, you need to be on the 
actual drive, not a named volume in order to do live partitioning.

HTH.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Well, this is odd. Absolutely everything in the partition tab is dimmed, 
 including the all-important “add” button. I don’t know if I did something, or 
 if this is more evidence of drive problems, but I’m unable to add a 
 partition. Did I miss a step, like erasing both existing partitions first?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive.  That is, 
 the thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever make your HD is, not 
 the already partitioned volumes.  Then, go to the Partition tab and 
 partition your HD with one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) with name 
 Macintosh HD.  As well, press the Options button in this window and ensure 
 that your HD will have the GUID schema.  Apply this change and you’ll have 
 one volume on your drive with name “Macintosh HD”.  When you run the 
 Mavericks Installer from your thumb drive, the Recovery Partition will be 
 automatically created.
 
 Hope this is clearer.  Sorry for any confusion.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
 articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply 
 that you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the 
 only partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase 
 that partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
 automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does 
 not already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I want 
 to do everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your patience.
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
 should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the 
 Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other 
 individual got there info but this is sound practice.  If you used 
 DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb 
 drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks 
 Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically created. 
  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must 
 have already existed in order to create a proper installation.  The 
 problem in your case is that you need to do a total re-format, so, using 
 the existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have 
 carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my 

Activities

2014-06-06 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Just lately started playing with Activities.  So, whenever I go into the app 
that I attached the Activity to, VO announces blah blah activity and 
VoiceOver settings activity when exiting.  This includes when I cmd-tab in 
and out of the app.  Is there a way to stop this extra verbosity?  There's 
likely logic behind it, but I don't care for it.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Alex Hall
That’s the problem, though, that popup button is dimmed, so I cannot select 
anything. I only see “current” once, and it is just text; the popup to the 
right of it is dimmed, not letting me select anything. I’m on my main drive 
(500gb Hitachi).
On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Alex,
 
 Sorry I was so slow at responding.  I was fighting with a Server this 
 afternoon and the battle isn’t won yet.  Anyway, those things are immaterial 
 to your issues.  You don’t need to use the “Add” button at all.  Unless I’m 
 misunderstanding you in some way, do things in this order:
 
 • start up from your thumb drive.
 • choose the Disk Utility option.
 • select the drive in your Mini, should be listed as capacity followed by 
 manufacturer.  (eg.  1 TB WDC)
 • press once on the Partition tab.
 • press on the “Current pop-up and set to one.
 • make sure the format is MacOS Extended (Journaled).
 • enter “Macintosh HD” for the name.
 • press the Options button.  Make sure GUID is selected.
 • press the Apply button.
 
 Your drive will now be totally wiped removing any old partitions and creating 
 a drive with volume “Macintosh HD” as a single partitioned drive.
 
 • quit Disk Utility.
 • choose Install MacOS X from the table and press Continue.
 • follow the prompts to install Mavericks.
 
 Let it do its thing.  It will restart and continue with the install then ask 
 you to start filling in Apple ID info and such.  If you wish to create a new 
 partition after the installation for other OS installations, go back into 
 Disk Utility and use the Add button from there.  Remember, you need to be on 
 the actual drive, not a named volume in order to do live partitioning.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Well, this is odd. Absolutely everything in the partition tab is dimmed, 
 including the all-important “add” button. I don’t know if I did something, 
 or if this is more evidence of drive problems, but I’m unable to add a 
 partition. Did I miss a step, like erasing both existing partitions first?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive.  That is, 
 the thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever make your HD is, 
 not the already partitioned volumes.  Then, go to the Partition tab and 
 partition your HD with one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) with name 
 Macintosh HD.  As well, press the Options button in this window and ensure 
 that your HD will have the GUID schema.  Apply this change and you’ll have 
 one volume on your drive with name “Macintosh HD”.  When you run the 
 Mavericks Installer from your thumb drive, the Recovery Partition will be 
 automatically created.
 
 Hope this is clearer.  Sorry for any confusion.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
 articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply 
 that you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the 
 only partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase 
 that partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
 automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does 
 not already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I 
 want to do everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your 
 patience.
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition 
 your drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent 
 partitions should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that 
 the Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other 
 individual got there info but this is sound practice.  If you used 
 DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb 
 drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks 
 Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically 
 created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery 
 Partition must have already existed in order to create a proper 
 installation.  The problem in your case is that you need to do a total 
 re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is not of any 
 benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have 
 carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim 

Double tap not opening mail messages?

2014-06-06 Thread Alex Hall
Hi all,
I'm still on the MBA for now I prefer it, in fact, by I'm not supposed to use 
it for personal use. Anyway, I noticed that when I double tap a message in 
Mail, it does not open. A menu of some kind comes up, even when I've interacted 
with the messages table. Pressing enter opens messages, so I figured a double 
tap would do the same thing. I wonder why it doesn't?

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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

2014-06-06 Thread Alex Hall
I was going off memory earlier, so misspoke a bit. I see “current, partition 
format, popup button, but it is dimmed. The table is not dimmed, and neither 
are the five tabs, but every other control in the Partitions Tab screen is 
unusable for some reason. Also, don’t worry about taking a while to get back to 
me; I avoid all website work for just the reason you described. smile I’m 
just glad for the help; as I said, the nearest Apple Store is hours away, and 
this machine isn’t covered anyway.
On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive.  That is, 
 the thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever make your HD is, not 
 the already partitioned volumes.  Then, go to the Partition tab and partition 
 your HD with one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) with name Macintosh 
 HD.  As well, press the Options button in this window and ensure that your HD 
 will have the GUID schema.  Apply this change and you’ll have one volume on 
 your drive with name “Macintosh HD”.  When you run the Mavericks Installer 
 from your thumb drive, the Recovery Partition will be automatically created.
 
 Hope this is clearer.  Sorry for any confusion.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
 articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply 
 that you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the 
 only partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase 
 that partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
 automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does not 
 already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I want to 
 do everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your patience.
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
 should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
 Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
 there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
 your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
 “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
 Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
 Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
 order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that 
 you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition 
 is not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
 over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are 
 you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
 partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
 will the installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, 
 then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to 
 select the 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK 
 in that area of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, 
 you could quickly get the files you 

Skype for Mac

2014-06-06 Thread Lee Jones
Dear List, I have installed skype on my mac, but I can't figure out how to 
accept a contact request.  I can't find my list of contacts.  I've been through 
all the menus and I can't find a shortcut to answer a call.  How do you do this?

Many Thanks, Lee 

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Re: Skype for Mac

2014-06-06 Thread Alex Hall
There's a table on the far left; interact with it, vi-down to recent, and 
under that you will find any pending contact requests. When you get a call, a 
dialog appears; pressing enter will answer it. To hang up, go to the Skype app 
and use cmd-shift-h, and cmd-shift-m to toggle the mute status of your 
microphone on and off.
On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Lee Jones leejones...@sky.com wrote:

 Dear List, I have installed skype on my mac, but I can't figure out how to 
 accept a contact request.  I can't find my list of contacts.  I've been 
 through all the menus and I can't find a shortcut to answer a call.  How do 
 you do this?
 
 Many Thanks, Lee 
 
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Re: Skype for Mac

2014-06-06 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Hi,
Further to what Alex has said, you can see your list of contacts by interacting 
with the table on the left, focusing on contacts, uninteract and move to the 
right with vo right arrow. Keep doing this until you find your list of 
contacts. That's how I do it anyway. 
There's no short cut for answering a call which is a shame, but there is for 
hanging up (command shift h).

Lisette

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 There's a table on the far left; interact with it, vi-down to recent, and 
 under that you will find any pending contact requests. When you get a call, a 
 dialog appears; pressing enter will answer it. To hang up, go to the Skype 
 app and use cmd-shift-h, and cmd-shift-m to toggle the mute status of your 
 microphone on and off.
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Lee Jones leejones...@sky.com wrote:
 
 Dear List, I have installed skype on my mac, but I can't figure out how to 
 accept a contact request.  I can't find my list of contacts.  I've been 
 through all the menus and I can't find a shortcut to answer a call.  How do 
 you do this?
 
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Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

2014-06-06 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Reggie,

The preview pane in Mail is where the body of a message is displayed 
automatically when you navigate to a message. When the preview pane is showing, 
you can't navigate past a message without opening it and some of us don't like 
this behaviour at all. If the preview pane is removed, you have to press Return 
to open a message, but you can choose to skip over a message and go to the next 
one and the skipped message will still be marked as Unread.

I explained in an earlier message how to get rid of the preview pane.

Cheers,

Anne


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 Asking a dumb question. What is the mail preview payne? How do I get rid of 
 it, and if I do, what is the difference in how I would read mail?
 
 
 reggie and Allegra

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Re: Skype for Mac

2014-06-06 Thread Jonathan Mosen
The command to answer a call is Command+Shift+R. This will also initiate a call 
on the focussed contact if you use it when there's no incoming call.
Skype for Mac is absolutely packed with keyboard shortcuts. The full list is 
here:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12074/what-keyboard-shortcuts-can-i-use-with-skype-for-mac-os-x
Jonathan Mosen
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On 7/06/2014, at 1:32 pm, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 Further to what Alex has said, you can see your list of contacts by 
 interacting with the table on the left, focusing on contacts, uninteract and 
 move to the right with vo right arrow. Keep doing this until you find your 
 list of contacts. That's how I do it anyway. 
 There's no short cut for answering a call which is a shame, but there is for 
 hanging up (command shift h).
 
 Lisette
 
 On 7/06/2014, at 12:50 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 There's a table on the far left; interact with it, vi-down to recent, and 
 under that you will find any pending contact requests. When you get a call, 
 a dialog appears; pressing enter will answer it. To hang up, go to the Skype 
 app and use cmd-shift-h, and cmd-shift-m to toggle the mute status of your 
 microphone on and off.
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Lee Jones leejones...@sky.com wrote:
 
 Dear List, I have installed skype on my mac, but I can't figure out how to 
 accept a contact request.  I can't find my list of contacts.  I've been 
 through all the menus and I can't find a shortcut to answer a call.  How do 
 you do this?
 
 Many Thanks, Lee 
 
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Re: Activities

2014-06-06 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Tim,

I'm not sure about this but I certainly don't get these announcements. Have a 
look at what you have set for When status changes in VO 
Utility/Verbosity/Announcements. I have it set to Play tone.

Cheers,

Anne


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 Hi,
 
 Just lately started playing with Activities.  So, whenever I go into the app 
 that I attached the Activity to, VO announces blah blah activity and 
 VoiceOver settings activity when exiting.  This includes when I cmd-tab in 
 and out of the app.  Is there a way to stop this extra verbosity?  There's 
 likely logic behind it, but I don't care for it.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 
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