Re: el capitan

[christopher hallsworth]

Probably not, and I would not encourage this practice at all. If you get found 
out, you could be sued. Just saying.
> On 14 Jun 2015, at 03:13, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates it 
> may have in the future?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:
>> 
>> No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.
>> 
>> On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:
>>> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:
>>> Hi Ricardo, 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for confirming. 
>>> 
>>> Looking forward to downloading. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 
 They will be available in the public beta program in July.
 
 hth
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
> the public beta program? 
> 
> Totally missed the stream. 
> 
> It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia. 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Certificate IV in International Trade 
> 
> Vocational College of Business 
> 
> RMIT University 
> 
> LinkedIn: 
> 
> https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 
> 
> https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
>  
> 
> Sent using OS X Mail 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out that 
>> Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly   
>> lol. But getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it 
>> on this thing. I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will 
>> be able to beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but 
>> what about El Capitan?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
>>> work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan beta 
>>> automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern is 
>>> will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I 
>>> heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics 
>>> engine or something like that. So is this the end of the line for me? 
>>> Yosemite I mean.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
  wrote:
 
 ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
> On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  wrote:
> 
> Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.
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Re: el capitan

[christopher hallsworth]

Yeah I know what you mean. I guess it's for comparison.
> On 14 Jun 2015, at 06:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> To the best of my knowledge, Chris, yes.  This is the first time.  I'm a 
> little curious though.  Why did you sign up for the public beta, if you're a 
> dev?  Isn't that somewhat redundant?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: el capitan
> 
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Is it true that this is the first time ever Apple released a public beta of 
> iOS? I mean major iOS releases? If so, this is a step forward, and a good 
> one. I have signed up, even though I *am* a developer as far as testing goes.
>> On 13 Jun 2015, at 22:03, Krysti .Power  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Chris
>> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015 6:02 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"  
>> wrote:
>> I'm not giving you this answer because I'm not supposed to say.  It's the 
>> honest truth from anyone.  I don't think anyone completely knows.  Apple is 
>> usually pretty hush hush about these type things.
>> 
>> I will! say this though.  They're hoping this fall, if I understand 
>> correctly.  That however said, I know that this July they'll be doing a 
>> public beta for anyone, including those who are *not!* developers.  So hang 
>> tight.  I think you'll be quite impressed, based on what I've seen so far.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Krysti .Power
>> To: Mac
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: el capitan
>> 
>> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
>> 
>> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:
>> Hi Ricardo,
>> 
>> Thanks for confirming.
>> 
>> Looking forward to downloading.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> They will be available in the public beta program in July.
>>> 
>>> hth
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
 
 Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of the 
 public beta program?
 
 Totally missed the stream.
 
 It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia.
 
 Sadam Ahmed
 
 Certificate IV in International Trade
 
 Vocational College of Business
 
 RMIT University
 
 LinkedIn:
 
 https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/
 
 https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
 
 Sent using OS X Mail
 
 
 
 
> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out that 
> Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting back on 
> topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. I missed 
> WWDC today so did they say when the public will be able to beta test it? 
> I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:
>> 
>> The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
>> work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
>> 
>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan beta 
>> automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern is 
>> will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I heard 
>> on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or 
>> something like that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I 
>> mean.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
 On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  wrote:
 
 Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.
 
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Re: JAWS and Dongles and Fusion, Oh My

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Chris, there were changes made to JAWS 16 that make it highly tolerant of VM 
changes. You can very the RAM, the number of CPUs etc and not lose an 
authorisation, so there's really no reason to avoid using ILM if you have it.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 14/06/2015, at 5:04 pm, Chris Meredith  wrote:
> 
> Greetings.
> 
> I’m trying to get a VM spun up with Fusion and JAWS.  I’m loath to use an ILM 
> authorization (I shall leave my editorial comments on what I make of their 
> authorization scheme for another time), so I’m using a hardware dongle from a 
> prior life wherein I worked on the team that developed a widely used 
> operating system whose name is the same as  those panes of glass that some of 
> you may look through from time to time.
> Unfortunately, instructing Fusion to connect my SafeNet Pro dongle to the 
> Windows VM results in several minutes of nothing, followed by a “driver 
> error” from Fusion.  The Fusion KB seems to point me in the direction of an 
> installed “SentinelSystemDrier.pkg” on the Mac side, except that this doesn’t 
> exist.  Has anyone gotten this working?  I’d totally be cool with NVDA, 
> except that there is some support lacking with NVDA and Visual Studio.
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Re: el capitan

[Yuma Decaux]

Christopher,

I am frankly getting a bit tired of your constant tirades and your non sequitur 
and daily 30 or so messages that speak of everything but actual factual. You 
call yourself a developer and nagged that you got a developer account 4 days 
ago and how Apple mistreated you. You call others out for violating the NDA and 
yourself are constantly talking about the IOS and the mac OS betas. Now you’re 
going out fascistic and saying that you will report about other people 
downloading torrents. You’re mixing everything up and quite honestly, this is 
shitkicking for nothing. What are you going to do sincerely? You got some kind 
of NSA pass to snoop on other people’s activities and telling us you have that 
power when you can’t find a button on an interface to send a bug report? You’re 
going to call 911-apple and provide them an .csv file of everyone who mentioned 
certain keywords on this mailing list, and why not put some who question your 
ethics, just cuz they pissed you off? What’s your project here, what’s your 
goal? Do I really care? No, I actually care more about talking tech, not tech 
support. Future observations, not recycled transmission. and not receiving this 
kind of stuff.





> On 14/06/2015, at 3:06 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
> Christopher-Mark -
> Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information that 
> someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating system 
> and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any help 
> you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has 
> violated the law.
> 
> If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the vigilance 
> with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous ethical 
> position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion where you seemed to 
> have some doubts related to your ability to report issues to Apple.
> 
> Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
> statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend 
> your policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that 
> it is acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
>  How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
> instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
> where you will not "bend this policy."
> 
> I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
> through this garbage.
> 
> 
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:
> 
> I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
> legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm 
> not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of 
> the very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any circumstances!
>  
> But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates should 
> be the least! of your worries.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Shawn Krasniuk 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: el capitan
>> 
>> Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates it 
>> may have in the future?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.
>>> 
>>> On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:
 Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 
 On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, >>> > wrote:
> Hi Ricardo, 
> 
> Thanks for confirming. 
> 
> Looking forward to downloading. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> They will be available in the public beta program in July.
>> 
>> hth
>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
>>> the public beta program? 
>>> 
>>> Totally missed the stream. 
>>> 
>>> It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia. 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>> 
>>> Certificate IV in International Trade 
>>> 
>>> Vocational College of Business 
>>> 
>>> RMIT University 
>>> 
>>> LinkedIn: 
>>> 
>>> https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-college

Re: el capitan

[gs]

Christopher-Mark -
Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information that 
someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating system 
and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any help you 
can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has violated the 
law.

If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the vigilance 
with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous ethical 
position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion where you seemed to 
have some doubts related to your ability to report issues to Apple.

Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your statement 
that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend your policy (I 
assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that it is acceptable 
to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
 How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
where you will not "bend this policy."

I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
through this garbage.


On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm legally 
obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm not so 
prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of the very 
few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any circumstances!
 
But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates should be 
the least! of your worries.
 
Chris.
 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Shawn Krasniuk 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
> Subject: Re: el capitan
> 
> Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates it 
> may have in the future?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf > > wrote:
>> 
>> No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.
>> 
>> On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:
>>> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, >> > wrote:
 Hi Ricardo, 
 
 Thanks for confirming. 
 
 Looking forward to downloading. 
 
 Regards, 
 
 Sadam Ahmed 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
 -- 
 
 
 
 On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker >>> > wrote:
 
> Hello,
> 
> They will be available in the public beta program in July.
> 
> hth
>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed > > wrote:
>> 
>> Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
>> the public beta program? 
>> 
>> Totally missed the stream. 
>> 
>> It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia. 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
>> 
>> Certificate IV in International Trade 
>> 
>> Vocational College of Business 
>> 
>> RMIT University 
>> 
>> LinkedIn: 
>> 
>> https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 
>>  
>> 
>> https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent using OS X Mail 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out 
>>> that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting 
>>> back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. 
>>> I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will be able to 
>>> beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El 
>>> Capitan?
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs >>> > wrote:
 
 The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
 work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
 
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk >>> > wrote:
 
 Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan 
 beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern 
 is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I 
 heard on Twitter, it sounds like 

JAWS and Dongles and Fusion, Oh My

[Chris Meredith]

Greetings.

I’m trying to get a VM spun up with Fusion and JAWS.  I’m loath to use an ILM 
authorization (I shall leave my editorial comments on what I make of their 
authorization scheme for another time), so I’m using a hardware dongle from a 
prior life wherein I worked on the team that developed a widely used operating 
system whose name is the same as  those panes of glass that some of you may 
look through from time to time.
Unfortunately, instructing Fusion to connect my SafeNet Pro dongle to the 
Windows VM results in several minutes of nothing, followed by a “driver error” 
from Fusion.  The Fusion KB seems to point me in the direction of an installed 
“SentinelSystemDrier.pkg” on the Mac side, except that this doesn’t exist.  Has 
anyone gotten this working?  I’d totally be cool with NVDA, except that there 
is some support lacking with NVDA and Visual Studio.

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Re: Piping sound to another device?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I might also point out that if you have a nice receiver you might want 
to connect it using something other than blue tooth. Your Mac has 
optical audio outputs so you can use that for very high quality digital 
audio to most receivers which have optical inputs. Of course that still 
leaves you in a bind to redirect VO to some other output but maybe VO 
could go to a bluetooth headset or speakers instead.


CB

On 6/14/15 12:17 AM, Barry Hadder wrote:

Open voiceover utility, go to sound, and choose built-in output as the output 
device.
All voiceover speech and sounds should now go through the built-in sound 
hardware while everything else goes through the bluetooth.
  
On Jun 13, 2015, at 10:57 PM, Justin Mann  wrote:


Hi there,

I’ve got an 11 Inch Mid 2013 Macbook air, and I’ve got a set of speakers 
plugged in to the headphone jack that I normally use for computer sound.  I 
also have a very nice hi-fi receiver that I’d like to use.  Is it possible that 
I would be able to pipe the voiceover sound though the headphone port, and, 
take all the other computer sound effects, streaming music etc, and put it 
through my receiver?  It does have a bluetooth connection.
Thanks



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Re: Piping sound to another device?

[Barry Hadder]

Open voiceover utility, go to sound, and choose built-in output as the output 
device.
All voiceover speech and sounds should now go through the built-in sound 
hardware while everything else goes through the bluetooth.
 
On Jun 13, 2015, at 10:57 PM, Justin Mann  wrote:

Hi there,

I’ve got an 11 Inch Mid 2013 Macbook air, and I’ve got a set of speakers 
plugged in to the headphone jack that I normally use for computer sound.  I 
also have a very nice hi-fi receiver that I’d like to use.  Is it possible that 
I would be able to pipe the voiceover sound though the headphone port, and, 
take all the other computer sound effects, streaming music etc, and put it 
through my receiver?  It does have a bluetooth connection.
Thanks

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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm legally 
obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm not so 
prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of the very 
few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any circumstances!

But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates should be 
the least! of your worries.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Shawn Krasniuk 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates it 
may have in the future?


  Shawn
  Sent from my White MacBook






On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:


No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.


On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

  Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 

  On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:

Hi Ricardo, 


Thanks for confirming. 


Looking forward to downloading. 


Regards, 

Sadam Ahmed  


Sent from my iPhone  


-- 





On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


  Hello,

  They will be available in the public beta program in July.

  hth

On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  
wrote:



Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part 
of the public beta program? 



Totally missed the stream. 



It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in 
Australia. 



Sadam Ahmed 



Certificate IV in International Trade 



Vocational College of Business 



RMIT University 



LinkedIn: 



https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 




https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
 



Sent using OS X Mail 









  On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:



  I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found 
out that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting back 
on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. I missed WWDC 
today so did they say when the public will be able to beta test it? I know we 
get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?



  Shawn

  Sent from my White MacBook







On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:



The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan 
will work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.



On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk 
 wrote:



Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El 
Capitan beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern 
is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I heard on 
Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or something 
like that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.



Shawn

Sent from my White MacBook







  On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 wrote:



  ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)

On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  
wrote:



Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.



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Re: Piping sound to another device?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If you had either an Airport Express or an Apple TV, this would be very easily 
accomplished.  You can stream music to both those devices independent of the 
sound coming through either the internal speakers or the headphone jack.  I, at 
times, am doing work on my computer and have iTunes music streaming to two 
different Airport Expresses and one Apple TV simultaneously.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 21:57, Justin Mann  wrote:

Hi there,

I’ve got an 11 Inch Mid 2013 Macbook air, and I’ve got a set of speakers 
plugged in to the headphone jack that I normally use for computer sound.  I 
also have a very nice hi-fi receiver that I’d like to use.  Is it possible that 
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through my receiver?  It does have a bluetooth connection.
Thanks

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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

And, if I find anyone doing this, they'll be reported, case closed.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Shaf 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:57 PM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.


  On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 

On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:

  Hi Ricardo, 


  Thanks for confirming. 


  Looking forward to downloading. 


  Regards, 

  Sadam Ahmed  


  Sent from my iPhone  


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  On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth

  On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  
wrote:



  Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part 
of the public beta program? 



  Totally missed the stream. 



  It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in 
Australia. 



  Sadam Ahmed 



  Certificate IV in International Trade 



  Vocational College of Business 



  RMIT University 



  LinkedIn: 



  https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 



  
https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
 



  Sent using OS X Mail 









On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:



I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out 
that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting back on 
topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. I missed WWDC 
today so did they say when the public will be able to beta test it? I know we 
get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?



Shawn

Sent from my White MacBook







  On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:



  The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan 
will work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.



  On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:



  Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El 
Capitan beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern 
is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I heard on 
Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or something 
like that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.



  Shawn

  Sent from my White MacBook







On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 wrote:



ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)

  On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  
wrote:



  Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.



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Re: uninstalling system prefs pain

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Hold down your control key while clicking your mouse/trackpad.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Anders Holmberg" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Hi!
Sorry if i ask something stupid.
How do you do a ctrl click?
/A

13 jun 2015 kl. 21:01 skrev Tim Kilburn :

Hi,

When in iBooks in the Bookshelf table, you can navigate to a specific 
title, press VO-shift-m and get no response.  Press VO-cmd-f5, then 
ctrl-click and the Contextual menu is available.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Can you be more specific of where in IBooks I'll see this?  I confess, 
guilty as charged, I've been meaning on the mac to play with IBooks more, 
but I admittedly haven't even openned it since it became accessible.  Now 
for someone as advanced as I am of a mac user, how sad is that!?  LOL!


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Chris,

VO-shift-m does not work in this situation.  There are a number of apps 
that the VO-shift-m process does not bring up a Contextual menu for us VO 
users, but the physical control-click does.  I often check this as an 
option since I've noticed the lack of consistency.  iBooks is one example 
where the VO-shift-m is unresponsive but the physical ctrl-click does 
bring up a Contextual menu of choices.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M? 
Isn't that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent 
cases? Please excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


hi,

You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the 
System Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When 
focus is on the button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO 
cursor, then hold down the Control key while pressing the mouse or 
trackpad button.  The Contextual menu will appear with the Remove option 
for you.


HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf  wrote:

Hi

If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly 
uninstall it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files 
on Apple say to control right click.



-Shaf

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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

To the best of my knowledge, Chris, yes.  This is the first time.  I'm a 
little curious though.  Why did you sign up for the public beta, if you're a 
dev?  Isn't that somewhat redundant?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Hi all

Is it true that this is the first time ever Apple released a public beta of 
iOS? I mean major iOS releases? If so, this is a step forward, and a good 
one. I have signed up, even though I *am* a developer as far as testing 
goes.

On 13 Jun 2015, at 22:03, Krysti .Power  wrote:

Thank you Chris

On Jun 13, 2015 6:02 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:
I'm not giving you this answer because I'm not supposed to say.  It's the 
honest truth from anyone.  I don't think anyone completely knows.  Apple 
is usually pretty hush hush about these type things.


I will! say this though.  They're hoping this fall, if I understand 
correctly.  That however said, I know that this July they'll be doing a 
public beta for anyone, including those who are *not!* developers.  So 
hang tight.  I think you'll be quite impressed, based on what I've seen so 
far.


Chris.

- Original Message -
From: Krysti .Power
To: Mac
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta

On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:
Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for confirming.

Looking forward to downloading.

Regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth
On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  
wrote:


Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
the public beta program?


Totally missed the stream.

It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia.

Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/

Sent using OS X Mail





On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out 
that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting 
back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. 
I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will be able to 
beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El 
Capitan?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:

The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.


On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:


Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan 
beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern 
is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I 
heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics 
engine or something like that. So is this the end of the line for me? 
Yosemite I mean.


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 wrote:


ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)

On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  wrote:

Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.

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Piping sound to another device?

[Justin Mann]

Hi there,

I’ve got an 11 Inch Mid 2013 Macbook air, and I’ve got a set of speakers 
plugged in to the headphone jack that I normally use for computer sound.  I 
also have a very nice hi-fi receiver that I’d like to use.  Is it possible that 
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take all the other computer sound effects, streaming music etc, and put it 
through my receiver?  It does have a bluetooth connection.
Thanks

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Re: el capitan

[Daniel Miller]

No.

> On Jun 13, 2015, at 9:13 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates it 
> may have in the future?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf > > wrote:
>> 
>> No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.
>> 
>> On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:
>>> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, >> > wrote:
>>> Hi Ricardo, 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for confirming. 
>>> 
>>> Looking forward to downloading. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 
 They will be available in the public beta program in July.
 
 hth
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  > wrote:
> 
> Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
> the public beta program? 
> 
> Totally missed the stream. 
> 
> It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia. 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Certificate IV in International Trade 
> 
> Vocational College of Business 
> 
> RMIT University 
> 
> LinkedIn: 
> 
> https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 
>  
> 
> https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Sent using OS X Mail 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out that 
>> Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly   
>> lol. But getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it 
>> on this thing. I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will 
>> be able to beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but 
>> what about El Capitan?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
>>> work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan beta 
>>> automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern is 
>>> will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I 
>>> heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics 
>>> engine or something like that. So is this the end of the line for me? 
>>> Yosemite I mean.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
 ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
> On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  > wrote:
> 
> Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.
> 
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Re: el capitan

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates it 
may have in the future?

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



> On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.
> 
> On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:
>> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
>> 
>> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, > > wrote:
>> Hi Ricardo, 
>> 
>> Thanks for confirming. 
>> 
>> Looking forward to downloading. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> They will be available in the public beta program in July.
>>> 
>>> hth
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed >>> > wrote:
 
 Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of the 
 public beta program? 
 
 Totally missed the stream. 
 
 It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia. 
 
 Sadam Ahmed 
 
 Certificate IV in International Trade 
 
 Vocational College of Business 
 
 RMIT University 
 
 LinkedIn: 
 
 https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 
  
 
 https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
  
 
  
 
 Sent using OS X Mail 
 
 
 
 
> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  > wrote:
> 
> I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out that 
> Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting back on 
> topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. I missed 
> WWDC today so did they say when the public will be able to beta test it? 
> I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs > > wrote:
>> 
>> The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
>> work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
>> 
>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan beta 
>> automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern is 
>> will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I heard 
>> on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or 
>> something like that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I 
>> mean.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>> mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
 On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel >>> > wrote:
 
 Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.
 
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Re: Using Apple script to script voiceover as one would make scripts for Windows screenreaders

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

Where are some good resources on this topic to help VI’s to understand how to 
program this type of stuff?
> On 14 Jun 2015, at 8:44 am, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> It is also possible to script in javascript using the scripteditor. I believe 
> that perl also has ways of accessing scripting objects in other applications.
> 
> 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 6:12 AM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
>> 
>> I would also like to know and also do you have to use Apple script?
>>> On 11 Jun 2015, at 7:57 pm, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. Does anyone know if it is possible to script voiceover to work 
>>> better with applications like one would make app modules or add ons for 
>>> NVDA or scripts for Jaws? I’d assume this would be done with Applescript 
>>> but not sure if voiceover has enough API’s or whatever to be used.
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Re: replacement system.

[Cameron Strife]

Hi. Just in case you may be interested, I've got a near mint fifteen
inch retina mac book pro for sale with eight gigs of ram, solid state
hard drive, and quad core I7 processor. Feel free to shoot me a
message off list if that may interest you. Thanks.

Cameron.



On 6/13/15, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It all depends on if you want mobility or not.  The Mini is probably a bit
> more powerful machine but, of course, not as portable or as light as an MBA.
>  The Mini also requires an external keyboard whereas the MBA has it all
> built-in.
>
> Regarding used or refurbished Macs, go to the Sore from Apple's web-site,
> then do a Link Chooser or Item Chooser for the word "refurbish" and you'll
> get a link to Apple refurbished units.  These are often mostly new machines
> but were returned due to warranty issues etc.  They have been refurbished
> with new Apple parts but, since they are considered "Used", cannot be sold
> as new.  You can often get some fairly good deals this way and they are
> Apple warrantied.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 16:42, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>
> I am looking to replace my well loved macbook pro 15 inch from 2009, and am
> wondering if I should get a high end Macbook Air or a MacMini.
>
> Please let me know of any sugestions. Also, how is the market for not quite
> new systems? My budget is a bit tight these days.
>
>
>
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> Jonathan Cohn
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Re: replacement system.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It all depends on if you want mobility or not.  The Mini is probably a bit more 
powerful machine but, of course, not as portable or as light as an MBA.  The 
Mini also requires an external keyboard whereas the MBA has it all built-in.

Regarding used or refurbished Macs, go to the Sore from Apple's web-site, then 
do a Link Chooser or Item Chooser for the word "refurbish" and you'll get a 
link to Apple refurbished units.  These are often mostly new machines but were 
returned due to warranty issues etc.  They have been refurbished with new Apple 
parts but, since they are considered "Used", cannot be sold as new.  You can 
often get some fairly good deals this way and they are Apple warrantied.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 16:42, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:

I am looking to replace my well loved macbook pro 15 inch from 2009, and am 
wondering if I should get a high end Macbook Air or a MacMini. 

Please let me know of any sugestions. Also, how is the market for not quite new 
systems? My budget is a bit tight these days.




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Re: replacement system.

[jeff `greene]

Hi Jonathan, I like the macbook air very much, and the new one’s are supposed 
to be really fast. Not sure about the mac mini, I understand it has a similar 
processor to the air but it has spinning hdd’s. As far as resale of your old 
mac, eBay has lots of them I’d try selling it there!
Jeff

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> I am looking to replace my well loved macbook pro 15 inch from 2009, and am 
> wondering if I should get a high end Macbook Air or a MacMini. 
> 
> Please let me know of any sugestions. Also, how is the market for not quite 
> new systems? My budget is a bit tight these days.
> 
> 
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Re: Using Apple script to script voiceover as one would make scripts for Windows screenreaders

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

It is also possible to script in javascript using the scripteditor. I believe 
that perl also has ways of accessing scripting objects in other applications.



Jonathan Cohn 

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 6:12 AM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
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> I would also like to know and also do you have to use Apple script?
>> On 11 Jun 2015, at 7:57 pm, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. Does anyone know if it is possible to script voiceover to work 
>> better with applications like one would make app modules or add ons for NVDA 
>> or scripts for Jaws? I’d assume this would be done with Applescript but not 
>> sure if voiceover has enough API’s or whatever to be used.
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replacement system.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I am looking to replace my well loved macbook pro 15 inch from 2009, and am 
wondering if I should get a high end Macbook Air or a MacMini. 

Please let me know of any sugestions. Also, how is the market for not quite new 
systems? My budget is a bit tight these days.




Jonathan Cohn 

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Re: Using Apple script to script voiceover as one would make scripts for Windows screenreaders

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

It is possiblle, but you don't use the VoiceOver dictionary. 

I was about 50 percent comlete on creating an AppleScript to toggle the preview 
pane in apple mail when the logic board on my system died. I was using the UI 
scrippting elements within the System Events scripting library.

Something like 
tell spilter view1 of splitter view 1 
tell the splitter
set value to maximum value 
end tell
end tell

will hide the preview ppane when in classic mode. I was testing code to switch 
into and out of classic view when the computer became completely unresponsive. 
Note: this was a 2009 computer that has been used quite a bit, and the 
batteries were getting to the point where they would only hold about 2 hours of 
use.




Jonathan Cohn 

> On Jun 12, 2015, at 2:46 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve written a few AppleScripts for VoiceOver but I’ve never written scripts 
> for windows screen readers, though I have used some, so can’t really answer 
> your question. sorry. Hopefully someone else on the list will be able to.
> 
> What I do know is, one can create AppleScripts which accessibly speak certain 
> information from particular apps or perform certain functions in particular 
> apps which might otherwise not be accessible with VoiceOver. However, this is 
> often dependant on the scriptability of the particular app in question, not 
> the scriptability of VoiceOver.
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Re: el capitan

[Shaf]

No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.

On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:


Does anyone know the release date for the public beta

On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, > wrote:


Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for confirming.

Looking forward to downloading.

Regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker mailto:rwalker...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth

On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed
mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as
part of the public beta program?

Totally missed the stream.

It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in
Australia.

Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/


https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/


Sent using OS X Mail





On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:

I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found
out that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol.
But getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to
use it on this thing. I missed WWDC today so did they say when
the public will be able to beta test it? I know we get the beta
for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs mailto:geoffsli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El
Capitan will work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.

On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk
mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El
Capitan beta automatically? That's really not my main concern,
my main concern is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010
white MacBook? From what I heard on Twitter, it sounds like El
Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or something like
that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera
mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:

ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)

On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel mailto:topdog2...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.

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Can anyone tell me how I go about editing the bio of my Twitter profile using voiceover please?

['Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all 

Just a quick question. I'm trying to edit the information/bbio in my Twitter 
profile using voiceover. I've tried  it on all 3 of my devices (IPhone, IPad 
and Mac) and every time I get to the place where I can edit the text it all of 
a sudden seems to become completely inaccessible. Voiceover stops reading the 
text in the field I'm editing, so I've  no idea where abouts in the information 
I am, so consequently can't delete/amend/type anything different. My Apple 
personal ttrainer  spent 35 minutes in my lesson today trying to do the same 
thing using voiceover, but with absolutely no joy at all. 

So does anyone know how I can successfully go about editing  the 
information/bio in my Twitter profile using voiceover?? Is it actually 
accessible? Or am I always going to have to rely on a sighted person to change 
things for me?? 

Any help/information anyone  could  give on this would be most  gratefully 
appreciated. My personal trainer has sent  an e-mail to Twitter complaining 
about their inaccessibility in this regard. Would encourage anyone  else  who's 
having this problem to do  the same in the hopes  that Twitter will listen and 
improve things for us. 

Eleanor  

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Re: uninstalling system prefs pain

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok.
Thanks.
/A
> 13 jun 2015 kl. 23:28 skrev blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com:
> 
> It is literally what it sounds like. If the control key and click the 
> trackpad at the same time.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Sorry if i ask something stupid.
>> How do you do a ctrl click?
>> /A
>>> 13 jun 2015 kl. 21:01 skrev Tim Kilburn :
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When in iBooks in the Bookshelf table, you can navigate to a specific 
>>> title, press VO-shift-m and get no response.  Press VO-cmd-f5, then 
>>> ctrl-click and the Contextual menu is available.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you be more specific of where in IBooks I'll see this?  I confess, 
>>> guilty as charged, I've been meaning on the mac to play with IBooks more, 
>>> but I admittedly haven't even openned it since it became accessible.  Now 
>>> for someone as advanced as I am of a mac user, how sad is that!?  LOL!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris,
>>> 
>>> VO-shift-m does not work in this situation.  There are a number of apps 
>>> that the VO-shift-m process does not bring up a Contextual menu for us VO 
>>> users, but the physical control-click does.  I often check this as an 
>>> option since I've noticed the lack of consistency.  iBooks is one example 
>>> where the VO-shift-m is unresponsive but the physical ctrl-click does bring 
>>> up a Contextual menu of choices.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M?  
>>> Isn't that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent 
>>> cases? Please excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain
>>> 
>>> 
>>> hi,
>>> 
>>> You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the 
>>> System Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When focus 
>>> is on the button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, then 
>>> hold down the Control key while pressing the mouse or trackpad button.  The 
>>> Contextual menu will appear with the Remove option for you.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly 
>>> uninstall it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files 
>>> on Apple say to control right click.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Shaf
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Re: uninstalling system prefs pain

[blindcowgirl1993]

It is literally what it sounds like. If the control key and click the trackpad 
at the same time.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Sorry if i ask something stupid.
> How do you do a ctrl click?
> /A
>> 13 jun 2015 kl. 21:01 skrev Tim Kilburn :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When in iBooks in the Bookshelf table, you can navigate to a specific title, 
>> press VO-shift-m and get no response.  Press VO-cmd-f5, then ctrl-click and 
>> the Contextual menu is available.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Can you be more specific of where in IBooks I'll see this?  I confess, 
>> guilty as charged, I've been meaning on the mac to play with IBooks more, 
>> but I admittedly haven't even openned it since it became accessible.  Now 
>> for someone as advanced as I am of a mac user, how sad is that!?  LOL!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain
>> 
>> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> VO-shift-m does not work in this situation.  There are a number of apps that 
>> the VO-shift-m process does not bring up a Contextual menu for us VO users, 
>> but the physical control-click does.  I often check this as an option since 
>> I've noticed the lack of consistency.  iBooks is one example where the 
>> VO-shift-m is unresponsive but the physical ctrl-click does bring up a 
>> Contextual menu of choices.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M?  Isn't 
>> that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent cases? 
>> Please excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain
>> 
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the System 
>> Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When focus is on 
>> the button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, then hold 
>> down the Control key while pressing the mouse or trackpad button.  The 
>> Contextual menu will appear with the Remove option for you.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly 
>> uninstall it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files on 
>> Apple say to control right click.
>> 
>> 
>> -Shaf
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Re: uninstalling system prefs pain

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Sorry if i ask something stupid.
How do you do a ctrl click?
/A
> 13 jun 2015 kl. 21:01 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When in iBooks in the Bookshelf table, you can navigate to a specific title, 
> press VO-shift-m and get no response.  Press VO-cmd-f5, then ctrl-click and 
> the Contextual menu is available.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Can you be more specific of where in IBooks I'll see this?  I confess, guilty 
> as charged, I've been meaning on the mac to play with IBooks more, but I 
> admittedly haven't even openned it since it became accessible.  Now for 
> someone as advanced as I am of a mac user, how sad is that!?  LOL!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain
> 
> 
> Chris,
> 
> VO-shift-m does not work in this situation.  There are a number of apps that 
> the VO-shift-m process does not bring up a Contextual menu for us VO users, 
> but the physical control-click does.  I often check this as an option since 
> I've noticed the lack of consistency.  iBooks is one example where the 
> VO-shift-m is unresponsive but the physical ctrl-click does bring up a 
> Contextual menu of choices.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M?  Isn't 
> that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent cases? 
> Please excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain
> 
> 
> hi,
> 
> You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the System 
> Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When focus is on 
> the button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, then hold 
> down the Control key while pressing the mouse or trackpad button.  The 
> Contextual menu will appear with the Remove option for you.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly uninstall 
> it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files on Apple say 
> to control right click.
> 
> 
> -Shaf
> 
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Re: el capitan

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi all

Is it true that this is the first time ever Apple released a public beta of 
iOS? I mean major iOS releases? If so, this is a step forward, and a good one. 
I have signed up, even though I *am* a developer as far as testing goes.
> On 13 Jun 2015, at 22:03, Krysti .Power  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Chris
> 
> On Jun 13, 2015 6:02 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"  
> wrote:
> I'm not giving you this answer because I'm not supposed to say.  It's the 
> honest truth from anyone.  I don't think anyone completely knows.  Apple is 
> usually pretty hush hush about these type things.
>  
> I will! say this though.  They're hoping this fall, if I understand 
> correctly.  That however said, I know that this July they'll be doing a 
> public beta for anyone, including those who are *not!* developers.  So hang 
> tight.  I think you'll be quite impressed, based on what I've seen so far.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Krysti .Power
> To: Mac
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: el capitan
> 
> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
> 
> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:
> Hi Ricardo, 
> 
> Thanks for confirming. 
> 
> Looking forward to downloading. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> They will be available in the public beta program in July.
>> 
>> hth
>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of the 
>>> public beta program? 
>>> 
>>> Totally missed the stream. 
>>> 
>>> It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia. 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>> 
>>> Certificate IV in International Trade 
>>> 
>>> Vocational College of Business 
>>> 
>>> RMIT University 
>>> 
>>> LinkedIn: 
>>> 
>>> https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 
>>> 
>>> https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent using OS X Mail 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
 
 I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out that 
 Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting back on 
 topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. I missed 
 WWDC today so did they say when the public will be able to beta test it? I 
 know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook
 
 
 
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
> The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will work 
> on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
> 
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan beta 
> automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern is will 
> I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I heard on 
> Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or 
> something like that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I 
> mean.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
>>> On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.
>>> 
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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Absolutely.  You're more than welcome, my friend!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Krysti .Power 
  To: Mac 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:03 PM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  Thank you Chris 

  On Jun 13, 2015 6:02 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"  
wrote:

I'm not giving you this answer because I'm not supposed to say.  It's the 
honest truth from anyone.  I don't think anyone completely knows.  Apple is 
usually pretty hush hush about these type things.

I will! say this though.  They're hoping this fall, if I understand 
correctly.  That however said, I know that this July they'll be doing a public 
beta for anyone, including those who are *not!* developers.  So hang tight.  I 
think you'll be quite impressed, based on what I've seen so far.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Krysti .Power 
  To: Mac 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:59 PM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 

  On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:

Hi Ricardo, 


Thanks for confirming. 


Looking forward to downloading. 


Regards, 

Sadam Ahmed  


Sent from my iPhone  


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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


  Hello,

  They will be available in the public beta program in July.

  hth

On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  
wrote:



Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part 
of the public beta program? 



Totally missed the stream. 



It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in 
Australia. 



Sadam Ahmed 



Certificate IV in International Trade 



Vocational College of Business 



RMIT University 



LinkedIn: 



https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 




https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
 



Sent using OS X Mail 









  On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:



  I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found 
out that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting back 
on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. I missed WWDC 
today so did they say when the public will be able to beta test it? I know we 
get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?



  Shawn

  Sent from my White MacBook







On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:



The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan 
will work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.



On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk 
 wrote:



Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El 
Capitan beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern 
is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I heard on 
Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or something 
like that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.



Shawn

Sent from my White MacBook







  On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 wrote:



  ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)

On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  
wrote:



Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.



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Re: el capitan

[Krysti .Power]

Thank you Chris
On Jun 13, 2015 6:02 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
wrote:

>  I'm not giving you this answer because I'm not supposed to say.  It's
> the honest truth from anyone.  I don't think anyone completely knows.
> Apple is usually pretty hush hush about these type things.
>
> I will! say this though.  They're hoping this fall, if I understand
> correctly.  That however said, I know that this July they'll be doing a
> public beta for anyone, including those who are *not!* developers.  So hang
> tight.  I think you'll be quite impressed, based on what I've seen so far.
>
> Chris.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Krysti .Power 
> *To:* Mac 
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:59 PM
> *Subject:* Re: el capitan
>
> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:
>
>>  Hi Ricardo,
>>
>> Thanks for confirming.
>>
>> Looking forward to downloading.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Sadam Ahmed
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>
>>  Hello,
>>
>> They will be available in the public beta program in July.
>>
>> hth
>>
>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of
>> the public beta program?
>>
>>
>> Totally missed the stream.
>>
>>
>> It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia.
>>
>>
>> Sadam Ahmed
>>
>>
>> Certificate IV in International Trade
>>
>>
>> Vocational College of Business
>>
>>
>> RMIT University
>>
>>
>> LinkedIn:
>>
>>
>> https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
>>
>>
>> Sent using OS X Mail
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>
>>
>>  I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out
>> that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting back
>> on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. I missed
>> WWDC today so did they say when the public will be able to beta test it? I
>> know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?
>>
>>
>>  Shawn
>>
>>  Sent from my White MacBook
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:
>>
>>
>>  The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will
>> work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
>>
>>
>>  On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan beta
>> automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern is will I
>> be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I heard on
>> Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or
>> something like that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.
>>
>>
>>  Shawn
>>
>>  Sent from my White MacBook
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera <
>> dionip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>   ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
>>
>>   On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  wrote:
>>
>>
>>   Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.
>>
>>
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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm not giving you this answer because I'm not supposed to say.  It's the 
honest truth from anyone.  I don't think anyone completely knows.  Apple is 
usually pretty hush hush about these type things.

I will! say this though.  They're hoping this fall, if I understand correctly.  
That however said, I know that this July they'll be doing a public beta for 
anyone, including those who are *not!* developers.  So hang tight.  I think 
you'll be quite impressed, based on what I've seen so far.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Krysti .Power 
  To: Mac 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:59 PM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 

  On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:

Hi Ricardo, 


Thanks for confirming. 


Looking forward to downloading. 


Regards, 

Sadam Ahmed 


Sent from my iPhone 


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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


  Hello,

  They will be available in the public beta program in July.

  hth

On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  
wrote:



Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
the public beta program? 



Totally missed the stream. 



It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia. 



Sadam Ahmed 



Certificate IV in International Trade 



Vocational College of Business 



RMIT University 



LinkedIn: 



https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 




https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
 



Sent using OS X Mail 









  On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:



  I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out 
that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting back on 
topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. I missed WWDC 
today so did they say when the public will be able to beta test it? I know we 
get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?



  Shawn

  Sent from my White MacBook







On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:



The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan 
will work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.



On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:



Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan 
beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern is will 
I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I heard on Twitter, 
it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or something like 
that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.



Shawn

Sent from my White MacBook







  On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 wrote:



  ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)

On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  
wrote:



Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.



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Re: el capitan

[Krysti .Power]

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:

> Hi Ricardo,
>
> Thanks for confirming.
>
> Looking forward to downloading.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sadam Ahmed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
>
> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> They will be available in the public beta program in July.
>
> hth
>
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
>
>
> Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of the
> public beta program?
>
>
> Totally missed the stream.
>
>
> It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia.
>
>
> Sadam Ahmed
>
>
> Certificate IV in International Trade
>
>
> Vocational College of Business
>
>
> RMIT University
>
>
> LinkedIn:
>
>
> https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/
>
>
>
> https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
>
>
> Sent using OS X Mail
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>
>
> I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out that
> Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting back on
> topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. I missed
> WWDC today so did they say when the public will be able to beta test it? I
> know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?
>
>
> Shawn
>
> Sent from my White MacBook
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:
>
>
> The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will work
> on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>
>
> Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan beta
> automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern is will I
> be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I heard on
> Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or
> something like that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.
>
>
> Shawn
>
> Sent from my White MacBook
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
> wrote:
>
>
> ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
>
> On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  wrote:
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>
> Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.
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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Though some may not agree, I happen to be one of the ones who do! agree. 
I'll admit at times, it is very tempting when I find something really really 
awesome.  For instance, back when I O S 8 was released, I discovered that 
Alex now was included.  Can you even imagine how hard it was for me to keep 
my mouth shut?  I did though.  LOL!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform


Well I'm not going to do any demonstrations until it's out for the general 
public at least. It's only right I respect Apple's NDA and so should we all, 
even if it means speculating what's fixed, changed or even broken for 
VoiceOver.

On 13 Jun 2015, at 20:02, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

Hi guys.
I may be missing something here, but it seems to me that we need something 
similar to what the sighted get when it comes to telling what features are 
going to happen in VoiceOver. I check out the videos Apple puts on the web 
site l WWDC etc., and I go through items that I know for sure I can’t use; 
that’s ok, because I know that’s going to happen. Before IOS 8 came out, I 
heard this wonderful demo of it, and I found out about the braille screen 
input when I heard it. Since I did not get the podcast some weird place, I 
assume Apple let that demo happen. So, is anybody going to be allowed some 
time to show us VoiceOver on the new platforms for IOS and Mac? That would 
cut down on a lot of speculation and questions and maybe people fussing 
about others violating their agreements, and I refuse to speculate on 
whether someone has done that. Apple folks are on this list, and they can 
do the yelling if need be. For some of us (not me apparently at this time) 
finding out about VoiceOver new features, changes, and fixes may very well 
make the difference in whether to get a new device.


Gigi


On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:23 AM, Shaf  wrote:

I'm really glad to report that El Capitan is a lot more responsive with 
VoiceOver. Huge thanks to Apple for fixing this!
They've also added some other sound when navigating to another folder 
(VoiceOver only), which is kind of weird but it's OK. The 'Allow 
VoiceOver to be controlled with Apple Script' checkbox is finally fixed.
Another slightly annoying bug is VoiceOver makes a double clicking sound 
when entering a password.


On 6/13/2015 11:41 AM, Kliph wrote:
That is a pretty simple process.  Go to disk utility with command shift 
u, go to disc utility, select the drive you want to create the partition 
on, vo space bar on partition, go to add knew, by default it will split 
your drive into 2 partitions in exact size.  If you like theis, click 
continue, it will let you know that the 2nd partition will be created 
without changing anything on the first, if you are fine with that, click 
next.  Wait a few minutes, and your second partition should be created. 
HTH
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On Jun 13, 2015, at 5:39 AM, Rajiv Shah  wrote:

Christopher,


How did you create the partitioning accessibly?


Regards,


Rajiv




- Original Message -
From: christopher hallsworth 
To: macvisionaries 
Sent: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 02:40:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

Hi all

I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in 
the last hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 
Yosemite. All went well, and I can boot into either operating system, 
even though the primary partition has an operating system newer than 
the secondary partition. You try this on Windows, you will be out of 
luck. You must install the oldest version first then the newer one if 
you want a successful multiboot environment. No such limitation exists 
on the Mac platform though.


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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[christopher hallsworth]

Well I'm not going to do any demonstrations until it's out for the general 
public at least. It's only right I respect Apple's NDA and so should we all, 
even if it means speculating what's fixed, changed or even broken for VoiceOver.
> On 13 Jun 2015, at 20:02, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys. 
> I may be missing something here, but it seems to me that we need something 
> similar to what the sighted get when it comes to telling what features are 
> going to happen in VoiceOver. I check out the videos Apple puts on the web 
> site l WWDC etc., and I go through items that I know for sure I can’t use; 
> that’s ok, because I know that’s going to happen. Before IOS 8 came out, I 
> heard this wonderful demo of it, and I found out about the braille screen 
> input when I heard it. Since I did not get the podcast some weird place, I 
> assume Apple let that demo happen. So, is anybody going to be allowed some 
> time to show us VoiceOver on the new platforms for IOS and Mac? That would 
> cut down on a lot of speculation and questions and maybe people fussing about 
> others violating their agreements, and I refuse to speculate on whether 
> someone has done that. Apple folks are on this list, and they can do the 
> yelling if need be. For some of us (not me apparently at this time) finding 
> out about VoiceOver new features, changes, and fixes may very well make the 
> difference in whether to get a new device. 
> 
> Gigi 
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:23 AM, Shaf  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm really glad to report that El Capitan is a lot more responsive with 
>> VoiceOver. Huge thanks to Apple for fixing this!
>> They've also added some other sound when navigating to another folder 
>> (VoiceOver only), which is kind of weird but it's OK. The 'Allow VoiceOver 
>> to be controlled with Apple Script' checkbox is finally fixed.
>> Another slightly annoying bug is VoiceOver makes a double clicking sound 
>> when entering a password.
>> 
>> On 6/13/2015 11:41 AM, Kliph wrote:
>>> That is a pretty simple process.  Go to disk utility with command shift u, 
>>> go to disc utility, select the drive you want to create the partition on, 
>>> vo space bar on partition, go to add knew, by default it will split your 
>>> drive into 2 partitions in exact size.  If you like theis, click continue, 
>>> it will let you know that the 2nd partition will be created without 
>>> changing anything on the first, if you are fine with that, click next.  
>>> Wait a few minutes, and your second partition should be created.  HTH
>>> Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV?  New user and want quick 
>>> efficient answers?  Or maybe you know apple products and want to 
>>> contribute?  Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and 
>>> we are always patient with you.
>>> Subscribe here: peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com
>>> Short quick getting started Tutorials: http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/
>>> Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple
>>> And ask your question there.  All are welcome!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 13, 2015, at 5:39 AM, Rajiv Shah  wrote:
 
 Christopher,
 
 
 How did you create the partitioning accessibly?
 
 
 Regards,
 
 
 Rajiv
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: christopher hallsworth 
 To: macvisionaries 
 Sent: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 02:40:58 -0400 (EDT)
 Subject: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform
 
 Hi all
 
 I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the 
 last hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. 
 All went well, and I can boot into either operating system, even though 
 the primary partition has an operating system newer than the secondary 
 partition. You try this on Windows, you will be out of luck. You must 
 install the oldest version first then the newer one if you want a 
 successful multiboot environment. No such limitation exists on the Mac 
 platform though.
 
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Re: IBooks

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Aa, gotcha.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Kilburn" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: IBooks


Chris,

Yes.  I suspect that the table uses slightly different structure than, let's 
say, a similar table in iTunes.  It's likely a custom element using proper 
accessibility API's but not everything in there meets VO needs.  Just 
surmising.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 13:06, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Sorry Tim, I updated the subject line to better reflect.  Hope you don't 
mind.


Wow, you're right though.  That's really interesting.  I wonder why the 
vo+shift+M wouldn't work.  Does it have to do with how things are coded?


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Hi,

When in iBooks in the Bookshelf table, you can navigate to a specific title, 
press VO-shift-m and get no response.  Press VO-cmd-f5, then ctrl-click and 
the Contextual menu is available.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Can you be more specific of where in IBooks I'll see this?  I confess, 
guilty as charged, I've been meaning on the mac to play with IBooks more, 
but I admittedly haven't even openned it since it became accessible.  Now 
for someone as advanced as I am of a mac user, how sad is that!?  LOL!


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Chris,

VO-shift-m does not work in this situation.  There are a number of apps that 
the VO-shift-m process does not bring up a Contextual menu for us VO users, 
but the physical control-click does.  I often check this as an option since 
I've noticed the lack of consistency.  iBooks is one example where the 
VO-shift-m is unresponsive but the physical ctrl-click does bring up a 
Contextual menu of choices.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M?  Isn't 
that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent cases? 
Please excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


hi,

You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the System 
Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When focus is on 
the button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, then hold 
down the Control key while pressing the mouse or trackpad button.  The 
Contextual menu will appear with the Remove option for you.


HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf  wrote:

Hi

If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly 
uninstall it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files on 
Apple say to control right click.



-Shaf

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Re: IBooks

[Tim Kilburn]

Chris,

Yes.  I suspect that the table uses slightly different structure than, let's 
say, a similar table in iTunes.  It's likely a custom element using proper 
accessibility API's but not everything in there meets VO needs.  Just surmising.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 13:06, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Sorry Tim, I updated the subject line to better reflect.  Hope you don't mind.

Wow, you're right though.  That's really interesting.  I wonder why the 
vo+shift+M wouldn't work.  Does it have to do with how things are coded?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Hi,

When in iBooks in the Bookshelf table, you can navigate to a specific title, 
press VO-shift-m and get no response.  Press VO-cmd-f5, then ctrl-click and the 
Contextual menu is available.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Can you be more specific of where in IBooks I'll see this?  I confess, guilty 
as charged, I've been meaning on the mac to play with IBooks more, but I 
admittedly haven't even openned it since it became accessible.  Now for someone 
as advanced as I am of a mac user, how sad is that!?  LOL!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Chris,

VO-shift-m does not work in this situation.  There are a number of apps that 
the VO-shift-m process does not bring up a Contextual menu for us VO users, but 
the physical control-click does.  I often check this as an option since I've 
noticed the lack of consistency.  iBooks is one example where the VO-shift-m is 
unresponsive but the physical ctrl-click does bring up a Contextual menu of 
choices.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M?  Isn't 
that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent cases? Please 
excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


hi,

You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the System 
Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When focus is on the 
button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, then hold down the 
Control key while pressing the mouse or trackpad button.  The Contextual menu 
will appear with the Remove option for you.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf  wrote:

Hi

If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly uninstall 
it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files on Apple say to 
control right click.


-Shaf

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Re: IBooks

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Sorry Tim, I updated the subject line to better reflect.  Hope you don't 
mind.


Wow, you're right though.  That's really interesting.  I wonder why the 
vo+shift+M wouldn't work.  Does it have to do with how things are coded?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Kilburn" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Hi,

When in iBooks in the Bookshelf table, you can navigate to a specific title, 
press VO-shift-m and get no response.  Press VO-cmd-f5, then ctrl-click and 
the Contextual menu is available.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Can you be more specific of where in IBooks I'll see this?  I confess, 
guilty as charged, I've been meaning on the mac to play with IBooks more, 
but I admittedly haven't even openned it since it became accessible.  Now 
for someone as advanced as I am of a mac user, how sad is that!?  LOL!


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Chris,

VO-shift-m does not work in this situation.  There are a number of apps that 
the VO-shift-m process does not bring up a Contextual menu for us VO users, 
but the physical control-click does.  I often check this as an option since 
I've noticed the lack of consistency.  iBooks is one example where the 
VO-shift-m is unresponsive but the physical ctrl-click does bring up a 
Contextual menu of choices.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M?  Isn't 
that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent cases? 
Please excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


hi,

You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the System 
Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When focus is on 
the button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, then hold 
down the Control key while pressing the mouse or trackpad button.  The 
Contextual menu will appear with the Remove option for you.


HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf  wrote:

Hi

If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly 
uninstall it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files on 
Apple say to control right click.



-Shaf

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Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Could be, but I still think it's a bit misleading.  Call me maybe a bit 
picky on samantics, but, whatever.


LOL!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.


I think Apple is covering their backs so developers can't complain or even 
sue Apple for bricking their devices.
On 13 Jun 2015, at 19:32, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Whatever George.

Chris.


- Original Message -
From: george b
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

So why do you have to ust that language does it make you some kind of a 
man???


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 04:54
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

Guys,

I just wanted to clear up some miscommunication by Apple.  They say on 
the developer web site that once you upgrade to I O S 9, you cannot go 
back to a previous version, like 8.3.  That's utter bullshit from what so 
far I can see.  Now, I wanna make this very very clear.  I am saying this 
on the basis of! from what I so? far! can see!  Keep that in mind.


I have an I O S device which I did update to I O S 9.  I've changed my 
mind, and now am deciding not to deploy it to I O S 9 after all.  OK, I 
have a device I will! be keeping on I O S 9, just not this particular 
one.  Anyway, the point is, they are only partially right in what they're 
saying on their web site from what it seems.


1.  If you try to downgrade while your device is normally booted up into 
I O S 9, then no.  It won't work.  That is factually accurate information 
which I have verified.


2.  If, however Apple has not stopped digitally signing the previous 
version of I O S, which of corse, 8.3, they haven't, then you can get it 
back as long as before you restore the device, you first get the device 
into DFU mode, just as you did when you upgraded to I O S 9.  I tried 
this, and I O S 8.3 definitely now is downloading.  I'll keep you all 
posted, and let you all know if I'm able to flash it back, and restore 
from my backup.  To the best of my knowledge though, this seems to so far 
be working.


Chris.
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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys. 
I may be missing something here, but it seems to me that we need something 
similar to what the sighted get when it comes to telling what features are 
going to happen in VoiceOver. I check out the videos Apple puts on the web site 
l WWDC etc., and I go through items that I know for sure I can’t use; that’s 
ok, because I know that’s going to happen. Before IOS 8 came out, I heard this 
wonderful demo of it, and I found out about the braille screen input when I 
heard it. Since I did not get the podcast some weird place, I assume Apple let 
that demo happen. So, is anybody going to be allowed some time to show us 
VoiceOver on the new platforms for IOS and Mac? That would cut down on a lot of 
speculation and questions and maybe people fussing about others violating their 
agreements, and I refuse to speculate on whether someone has done that. Apple 
folks are on this list, and they can do the yelling if need be. For some of us 
(not me apparently at this time) finding out about VoiceOver new features, 
changes, and fixes may very well make the difference in whether to get a new 
device. 

Gigi 

> On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:23 AM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> I'm really glad to report that El Capitan is a lot more responsive with 
> VoiceOver. Huge thanks to Apple for fixing this!
> They've also added some other sound when navigating to another folder 
> (VoiceOver only), which is kind of weird but it's OK. The 'Allow VoiceOver to 
> be controlled with Apple Script' checkbox is finally fixed.
> Another slightly annoying bug is VoiceOver makes a double clicking sound when 
> entering a password.
> 
> On 6/13/2015 11:41 AM, Kliph wrote:
>> That is a pretty simple process.  Go to disk utility with command shift u, 
>> go to disc utility, select the drive you want to create the partition on, vo 
>> space bar on partition, go to add knew, by default it will split your drive 
>> into 2 partitions in exact size.  If you like theis, click continue, it will 
>> let you know that the 2nd partition will be created without changing 
>> anything on the first, if you are fine with that, click next.  Wait a few 
>> minutes, and your second partition should be created.  HTH
>> Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV?  New user and want quick 
>> efficient answers?  Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute? 
>>  Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are 
>> always patient with you.
>> Subscribe here: peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Short quick getting started Tutorials: http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/ 
>> 
>> Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple 
>> 
>> And ask your question there.  All are welcome!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 5:39 AM, Rajiv Shah >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Christopher,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How did you create the partitioning accessibly?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rajiv
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: christopher hallsworth >> >
>>> To: macvisionaries >> >
>>> Sent: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 02:40:58 -0400 (EDT)
>>> Subject: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the 
>>> last hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. All 
>>> went well, and I can boot into either operating system, even though the 
>>> primary partition has an operating system newer than the secondary 
>>> partition. You try this on Windows, you will be out of luck. You must 
>>> install the oldest version first then the newer one if you want a 
>>> successful multiboot environment. No such limitation exists on the Mac 
>>> platform though.
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Re: uninstalling system prefs pain

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

When in iBooks in the Bookshelf table, you can navigate to a specific title, 
press VO-shift-m and get no response.  Press VO-cmd-f5, then ctrl-click and the 
Contextual menu is available.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Can you be more specific of where in IBooks I'll see this?  I confess, guilty 
as charged, I've been meaning on the mac to play with IBooks more, but I 
admittedly haven't even openned it since it became accessible.  Now for someone 
as advanced as I am of a mac user, how sad is that!?  LOL!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Chris,

VO-shift-m does not work in this situation.  There are a number of apps that 
the VO-shift-m process does not bring up a Contextual menu for us VO users, but 
the physical control-click does.  I often check this as an option since I've 
noticed the lack of consistency.  iBooks is one example where the VO-shift-m is 
unresponsive but the physical ctrl-click does bring up a Contextual menu of 
choices.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M?  Isn't 
that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent cases? Please 
excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


hi,

You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the System 
Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When focus is on the 
button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, then hold down the 
Control key while pressing the mouse or trackpad button.  The Contextual menu 
will appear with the Remove option for you.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf  wrote:

Hi

If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly uninstall 
it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files on Apple say to 
control right click.


-Shaf

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Re: Success

[christopher hallsworth]

I can confirm that one cannot restore settings from an iPhone to an iPad. You 
will be told this when setting up an iPad from a backup from iPhone and 
probably iPod too.
> On 13 Jun 2015, at 15:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> They don't take versions into account, unless you're trying to restore one I 
> O S device to a different type device.  IE, you can't restore your settings 
> from an IPhone on to an IPad.  Trust me, I should know.  I tried.  Further, 
> if the backup was made with a newer version of I O S than you're restoring 
> to, it won't work.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Daniel Miller
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 9:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: Success
>> 
>> Hi. I tried that twice last night, with no success each time. 8.3 would 
>> restore back to my phone, but iTunes refused to restore the backup saying 
>> the software on the phone was too old. Any tips on what I might be doing 
>> wrong? Or if I might be potentially screwed? One backup was before I put 
>> nine on, and the other one was with nine. I could've sworn iTunes backups 
>> didn't take device versions into account though, but apparently they do.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> OK, I can now safely and concretely confirm absolutely beyond a shadow of a 
>>> doubt that Apple is wrong in what they say on the dev web site.  Yes, you 
>>> most certainly can! downgrade from I O S 9 back to I O S 8.3.  I just 
>>> diddit, and even restored my 8.3 backup, and it worked absolutely 
>>> flawlessly.
>>>  
>>> Just goes to show why I don't always read disclaimers.  Usually I will, but 
>>> not always.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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Re: uninstalling system prefs pain

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Can you be more specific of where in IBooks I'll see this?  I confess, 
guilty as charged, I've been meaning on the mac to play with IBooks more, 
but I admittedly haven't even openned it since it became accessible.  Now 
for someone as advanced as I am of a mac user, how sad is that!?  LOL!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Kilburn" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


Chris,

VO-shift-m does not work in this situation.  There are a number of apps that 
the VO-shift-m process does not bring up a Contextual menu for us VO users, 
but the physical control-click does.  I often check this as an option since 
I've noticed the lack of consistency.  iBooks is one example where the 
VO-shift-m is unresponsive but the physical ctrl-click does bring up a 
Contextual menu of choices.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M?  Isn't 
that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent cases? 
Please excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


hi,

You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the System 
Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When focus is on 
the button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, then hold 
down the Control key while pressing the mouse or trackpad button.  The 
Contextual menu will appear with the Remove option for you.


HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf  wrote:

Hi

If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly 
uninstall it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files on 
Apple say to control right click.



-Shaf

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Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

[christopher hallsworth]

I think Apple is covering their backs so developers can't complain or even sue 
Apple for bricking their devices.
> On 13 Jun 2015, at 19:32, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Whatever George.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: george b
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:24 AM
>> Subject: RE: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.
>> 
>> So why do you have to ust that language does it make you some kind of a 
>> man???
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 04:54
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.
>>  
>> Guys,
>>  
>> I just wanted to clear up some miscommunication by Apple.  They say on the 
>> developer web site that once you upgrade to I O S 9, you cannot go back to a 
>> previous version, like 8.3.  That's utter bullshit from what so far I can 
>> see.  Now, I wanna make this very very clear.  I am saying this on the basis 
>> of! from what I so? far! can see!  Keep that in mind.
>>  
>> I have an I O S device which I did update to I O S 9.  I've changed my mind, 
>> and now am deciding not to deploy it to I O S 9 after all.  OK, I have a 
>> device I will! be keeping on I O S 9, just not this particular one.  Anyway, 
>> the point is, they are only partially right in what they're saying on their 
>> web site from what it seems.
>>  
>> 1.  If you try to downgrade while your device is normally booted up into I O 
>> S 9, then no.  It won't work.  That is factually accurate information which 
>> I have verified.
>>  
>> 2.  If, however Apple has not stopped digitally signing the previous version 
>> of I O S, which of corse, 8.3, they haven't, then you can get it back as 
>> long as before you restore the device, you first get the device into DFU 
>> mode, just as you did when you upgraded to I O S 9.  I tried this, and I O S 
>> 8.3 definitely now is downloading.  I'll keep you all posted, and let you 
>> all know if I'm able to flash it back, and restore from my backup.  To the 
>> best of my knowledge though, this seems to so far be working.
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: iTunes and Photo app

[E.T.]

   Thanks. Yes that is where the option is. A round about way to do it 
but its done.


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On 6/13/2015 11:28 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

that option is no longer in Preferences George.  to accomplish this, plug in 
your iPhone/iPad and both iTunes and Photos will both open.  Go to the Photos 
app and select the Import tab from the main Toolbar.  You should now see your 
iPhone/iPad listed in the Auxiliary Toolbar.  There should be a checkbox beside 
that where you can tell Photos to automatically open or not.  Make sure it's 
not checked if you don't want Photos to automatically open when that device is 
connected.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:14, george b  wrote:

Open photos
Go to prefferences with command,
In there find the place where you have the choice to automatically open photos 
when camera is connected and tell it no

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Subject: iTunes and Photo app

When I connect my iPhone to the Mac and open iTunes, the Photos app
automatically opens too. Where can I find the setting to disable this?
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Re: uninstalling system prefs pain

[Tim Kilburn]

Chris,

VO-shift-m does not work in this situation.  There are a number of apps that 
the VO-shift-m process does not bring up a Contextual menu for us VO users, but 
the physical control-click does.  I often check this as an option since I've 
noticed the lack of consistency.  iBooks is one example where the VO-shift-m is 
unresponsive but the physical ctrl-click does bring up a Contextual menu of 
choices.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M?  Isn't 
that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent cases? Please 
excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


hi,

You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the System 
Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When focus is on the 
button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, then hold down the 
Control key while pressing the mouse or trackpad button.  The Contextual menu 
will appear with the Remove option for you.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf  wrote:

Hi

If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly uninstall 
it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files on Apple say to 
control right click.


-Shaf

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Re: Success

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Awesome.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: sadam ahmed 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:25 AM
  Subject: Re: Success


  Have just thus downloaded the iOS update file. 


  Earlier in the day I backed up my device to my Mac via way of connecting 
through the Lightning cable. 


  When it’s a civilised time  instead of 12:23 AM in the morning I’ll commence 
with updating the iPhone 6 to iOS 9. 


  A pleasant day to all. 


  With kind regards, 


  Sadam Ahmed 


  Diploma of International business 


  School of IT and Logistics 


  RMIT University 


  LinkedIn: 


  https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 


  
https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/#
 


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On 14 Jun 2015, at 12:02 am, Daniel Miller  wrote:


In that case, I guess I’m screwed then, even though I thought one of my 
iTunes backups was made right before I put 9 on, but I guess not.

  On Jun 13, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  They don't take versions into account, unless you're trying to restore 
one I O S device to a different type device.  IE, you can't restore your 
settings from an IPhone on to an IPad.  Trust me, I should know.  I tried.  
Further, if the backup was made with a newer version of I O S than you're 
restoring to, it won't work.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Daniel Miller
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Success


Hi. I tried that twice last night, with no success each time. 8.3 would 
restore back to my phone, but iTunes refused to restore the backup saying the 
software on the phone was too old. Any tips on what I might be doing wrong? Or 
if I might be potentially screwed? One backup was before I put nine on, and the 
other one was with nine. I could've sworn iTunes backups didn't take device 
versions into account though, but apparently they do.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  OK, I can now safely and concretely confirm absolutely beyond a 
shadow of a doubt that Apple is wrong in what they say on the dev web site.  
Yes, you most certainly can! downgrade from I O S 9 back to I O S 8.3.  I just 
diddit, and even restored my 8.3 backup, and it worked absolutely flawlessly.

  Just goes to show why I don't always read disclaimers.  Usually I 
will, but not always.

  Chris.


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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[christopher hallsworth]

Ditto.
> On 13 Jun 2015, at 19:25, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed, but unfortunately, that's really all that Chris and I both can 
> publicly say for now.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform
> 
> 
> I think you will be pleasantly surprised when El Capitan is released in at 
> least public beta form.
>> On 13 Jun 2015, at 08:02, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, that's amazing. I think the Mac just needs more developers and it'll be 
>> perfect.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 1:40 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the 
>>> last hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. All 
>>> went well, and I can boot into either operating system, even though the 
>>> primary partition has an operating system newer than the secondary 
>>> partition. You try this on Windows, you will be out of luck. You must 
>>> install the oldest version first then the newer one if you want a 
>>> successful multiboot environment. No such limitation exists on the Mac 
>>> platform though.
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Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Whatever George.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: george b 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:24 AM
  Subject: RE: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.


  So why do you have to ust that language does it make you some kind of a man???

   

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 04:54
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

   

  Guys,

   

  I just wanted to clear up some miscommunication by Apple.  They say on the 
developer web site that once you upgrade to I O S 9, you cannot go back to a 
previous version, like 8.3.  That's utter bullshit from what so far I can see.  
Now, I wanna make this very very clear.  I am saying this on the basis of! from 
what I so? far! can see!  Keep that in mind.

   

  I have an I O S device which I did update to I O S 9.  I've changed my mind, 
and now am deciding not to deploy it to I O S 9 after all.  OK, I have a device 
I will! be keeping on I O S 9, just not this particular one.  Anyway, the point 
is, they are only partially right in what they're saying on their web site from 
what it seems.

   

  1.  If you try to downgrade while your device is normally booted up into I O 
S 9, then no.  It won't work.  That is factually accurate information which I 
have verified.

   

  2.  If, however Apple has not stopped digitally signing the previous version 
of I O S, which of corse, 8.3, they haven't, then you can get it back as long 
as before you restore the device, you first get the device into DFU mode, just 
as you did when you upgraded to I O S 9.  I tried this, and I O S 8.3 
definitely now is downloading.  I'll keep you all posted, and let you all know 
if I'm able to flash it back, and restore from my backup.  To the best of my 
knowledge though, this seems to so far be working.

   

  Chris.

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Re: Success

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I've not tried 8.4 yet.  I actually just went from 8.3 to 9, but that said I 
might.  Obviously, being that I'm a dev, I do have access to it.  I over looked 
it earlier, but then another friend who's a dev who'll be left unsaid reminded 
me of having access to it, so I may give it a shot.

Chris.

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  From: Daniel Miller 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:04 AM
  Subject: Re: Success


  Oh, never mind, I’m not screwed, I forgot about beta 4 of 8.4. lol sorry for 
the confusion.

On Jun 13, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


They don't take versions into account, unless you're trying to restore one 
I O S device to a different type device.  IE, you can't restore your settings 
from an IPhone on to an IPad.  Trust me, I should know.  I tried.  Further, if 
the backup was made with a newer version of I O S than you're restoring to, it 
won't work.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Miller
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 9:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Success


  Hi. I tried that twice last night, with no success each time. 8.3 would 
restore back to my phone, but iTunes refused to restore the backup saying the 
software on the phone was too old. Any tips on what I might be doing wrong? Or 
if I might be potentially screwed? One backup was before I put nine on, and the 
other one was with nine. I could've sworn iTunes backups didn't take device 
versions into account though, but apparently they do.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK, I can now safely and concretely confirm absolutely beyond a shadow 
of a doubt that Apple is wrong in what they say on the dev web site.  Yes, you 
most certainly can! downgrade from I O S 9 back to I O S 8.3.  I just diddit, 
and even restored my 8.3 backup, and it worked absolutely flawlessly.

Just goes to show why I don't always read disclaimers.  Usually I will, 
but not always.

Chris.


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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No comments.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Shaf 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform


  I'm really glad to report that El Capitan is a lot more responsive with 
VoiceOver. Huge thanks to Apple for fixing this!
  They've also added some other sound when navigating to another folder 
(VoiceOver only), which is kind of weird but it's OK. The 'Allow VoiceOver to 
be controlled with Apple Script' checkbox is finally fixed.
  Another slightly annoying bug is VoiceOver makes a double clicking sound when 
entering a password.


  On 6/13/2015 11:41 AM, Kliph wrote:

That is a pretty simple process.  Go to disk utility with command shift u, 
go to disc utility, select the drive you want to create the partition on, vo 
space bar on partition, go to add knew, by default it will split your drive 
into 2 partitions in exact size.  If you like theis, click continue, it will 
let you know that the 2nd partition will be created without changing anything 
on the first, if you are fine with that, click next.  Wait a few minutes, and 
your second partition should be created.  HTH

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  On Jun 13, 2015, at 5:39 AM, Rajiv Shah  wrote:


  Christopher,



  How did you create the partitioning accessibly?



  Regards,



  Rajiv





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  From: christopher hallsworth 
  To: macvisionaries 
  Sent: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 02:40:58 -0400 (EDT)
  Subject: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

  Hi all

  I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the 
last hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. All 
went well, and I can boot into either operating system, even though the primary 
partition has an operating system newer than the secondary partition. You try 
this on Windows, you will be out of luck. You must install the oldest version 
first then the newer one if you want a successful multiboot environment. No 
such limitation exists on the Mac platform though.

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Re: iTunes and Photo app

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

that option is no longer in Preferences George.  to accomplish this, plug in 
your iPhone/iPad and both iTunes and Photos will both open.  Go to the Photos 
app and select the Import tab from the main Toolbar.  You should now see your 
iPhone/iPad listed in the Auxiliary Toolbar.  There should be a checkbox beside 
that where you can tell Photos to automatically open or not.  Make sure it's 
not checked if you don't want Photos to automatically open when that device is 
connected.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:14, george b  wrote:

Open photos
Go to prefferences with command,
In there find the place where you have the choice to automatically open photos 
when camera is connected and tell it no

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Subject: iTunes and Photo app

   When I connect my iPhone to the Mac and open iTunes, the Photos app 
automatically opens too. Where can I find the setting to disable this? 
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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[christopher hallsworth]

Good point Chris. Nothing is perfect, including computers.
> On 13 Jun 2015, at 19:24, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> No computer is ever gonna be 100% perfect.  It's a computer programmed by 
> humans, and humans aren't perfect.  LOL!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform
> 
> 
> Wow, that's amazing. I think the Mac just needs more developers and it'll be 
> perfect.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 1:40 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the 
>> last hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. All 
>> went well, and I can boot into either operating system, even though the 
>> primary partition has an operating system newer than the secondary 
>> partition. You try this on Windows, you will be out of luck. You must 
>> install the oldest version first then the newer one if you want a successful 
>> multiboot environment. No such limitation exists on the Mac platform though.
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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Agreed, but unfortunately, that's really all that Chris and I both can 
publicly say for now.


Chris.

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To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform


I think you will be pleasantly surprised when El Capitan is released in at 
least public beta form.

On 13 Jun 2015, at 08:02, Devin Prater  wrote:

Wow, that's amazing. I think the Mac just needs more developers and it'll 
be perfect.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2015, at 1:40 AM, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


Hi all

I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the 
last hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. 
All went well, and I can boot into either operating system, even though 
the primary partition has an operating system newer than the secondary 
partition. You try this on Windows, you will be out of luck. You must 
install the oldest version first then the newer one if you want a 
successful multiboot environment. No such limitation exists on the Mac 
platform though.


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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No computer is ever gonna be 100% perfect.  It's a computer programmed by 
humans, and humans aren't perfect.  LOL!


Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform


Wow, that's amazing. I think the Mac just needs more developers and it'll be 
perfect.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2015, at 1:40 AM, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


Hi all

I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the 
last hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. 
All went well, and I can boot into either operating system, even though 
the primary partition has an operating system newer than the secondary 
partition. You try this on Windows, you will be out of luck. You must 
install the oldest version first then the newer one if you want a 
successful multiboot environment. No such limitation exists on the Mac 
platform though.


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Re: accessible ssh client

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Because it's not available on I O S.  The poster was wanting something for I 
O S, not for OSX.  LOL!  Smile.


Chris.

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To: "Mac Group" 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: accessible ssh client



Why not use terminal?

On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:

Can anyone please recommend an accessible ssh client for IOS?

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Re: accessible ssh client

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Ooo!  Nice!  Very! very! nice!  I'll try it out, provided it's free.  Right 
now, I can't afford anything.  LOL!


Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: accessible ssh client



Yes. Prompt 2.

On 6/12/2015 7:25 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:

Can anyone please recommend an accessible ssh client for IOS?



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Re: uninstalling system prefs pain

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That seems like a lot of work, Tim.  Can you not just hit vo+shift+M?  Isn't 
that technically the same as  control clicking in most 90 percent cases? 
Please excuse my ignorance if I'm incorrect on this assumption.


Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: uninstalling system prefs pain


hi,

You can do just what the Help article says.  That is, navigate to the System 
Pref you wish to remove, do not press or VO-space on it.  When focus is on 
the button, use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, then hold 
down the Control key while pressing the mouse or trackpad button.  The 
Contextual menu will appear with the Remove option for you.


HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2015, at 12:23, Shaf  wrote:

Hi

If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly 
uninstall it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files on 
Apple say to control right click.



-Shaf

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Re: accessible ssh client

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

If you find one a these babies, you, let me know!  On OSX, I use Terminal, 
but I've been looking for ages! for something on the I O S side.


Chris.

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Subject: accessible ssh client



Can anyone please recommend an accessible ssh client for IOS?

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Re: uninstalling system prefs pain

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No no no.  Go out to your Finder, and hit command+shift+G.  now in this 
window, type in


~/Library

Notice first off the tilda character.  Second off, notice that the L in the 
word library is capitalized.  Beware by putting the tilda there, you're 
moving into your users library folder, not the system wide library folder. 
Stay outta there for now!


Once you've typed this in, hit return.  Opoen up your Library folder, and in 
here, you'll find a directory called PreferencePanes.  Open up this 
directory, and you should see the pref panes you've installed.  Simply 
delete them like you would any file/folder.  Then if you want to go so far 
to do this, you can then remove them as well from your trash.  Note that 
some of these might require that you first exit the app, if there bve one, 
attached to the pref pane window, and some may also require your admin 
password.  I'm not saying all will, but some might.  So, just beware.


Chris.

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From: "Shaf" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:23 PM
Subject: uninstalling system prefs pain



Hi

If I install a custom System Preferences pain, how can I accessibly 
uninstall it? There's no uninstall button in said pain and the help files 
on Apple say to control right click.



-Shaf

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RE: iTunes and Photo app

[george b]

Open photos
Go to prefferences with command,
In there find the place where you have the choice to automatically open photos 
when camera is connected and tell it no

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Subject: iTunes and Photo app

When I connect my iPhone to the Mac and open iTunes, the Photos app 
automatically opens too. Where can I find the setting to disable this? 
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iTunes and Photo app

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   When I connect my iPhone to the Mac and open iTunes, the Photos app 
automatically opens too. Where can I find the setting to disable this? 
Thanks.


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Re: Things

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Reminders both in I O S and in OSX and BTW, I'm not speaking of the beta 
stuff, I mean the current stuff that is totally in the public with I O S 
8.3, and with Yosemite 10.10.3, is totally beautiful!  I actually just the 
other day did something which I've known for years you could do, but never 
have tried it.  I actually set up a reminder based on when I arrived at a 
certain location.  One of the places it admittedly didn't set off the 
reminder, so I need to investigate why that might be, but for the most part, 
it did it perfectly.  I was quite impressed.


Chris.

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From: "Shaf" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: Things


I never purchase apps unless I either want to support the developer or
need to test for accessibility.

On 6/13/2015 4:40 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
There is a free trial, so I sure hope he didn’t plunk down the clams for 
it!


I found the same things as Shaf, though, and will seriously check out 
Reminders in OS 10.x and the i phone a lot more!


Cait


On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Grant  wrote:

Did you just buy this app? Aside from contacting the developers, you 
could also contact Apple through the receipt you received from the App 
Store. The format of the receipt, I think, has just been updated, but 
there should be something like a "report a problem" link. If you plan to 
uninstall the app and discontinue use, you may be able to request a 
refund due to the app not being accessible with VoiceOver.


Grant


On Jun 12, 2015, at 5:20 PM, Shaf  wrote:

Things is not as accessible as it could be. Great app, but not worth 
$60.
For example, it's hard to schedule a task to do, project etc. I may 
contact the developers to see if they have any tips or can fix the UI a 
little.



-Shaf

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Re: Things

[Shaf]

I never purchase apps unless I either want to support the developer or 
need to test for accessibility.


On 6/13/2015 4:40 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

There is a free trial, so I sure hope he didn’t plunk down the clams for it!

I found the same things as Shaf, though, and will seriously check out Reminders 
in OS 10.x and the i phone a lot more!

Cait


On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Grant  wrote:

Did you just buy this app? Aside from contacting the developers, you could also contact 
Apple through the receipt you received from the App Store. The format of the receipt, I 
think, has just been updated, but there should be something like a "report a 
problem" link. If you plan to uninstall the app and discontinue use, you may be able 
to request a refund due to the app not being accessible with VoiceOver.

Grant


On Jun 12, 2015, at 5:20 PM, Shaf  wrote:

Things is not as accessible as it could be. Great app, but not worth $60.
For example, it's hard to schedule a task to do, project etc. I may contact the 
developers to see if they have any tips or can fix the UI a little.


-Shaf

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Re: Things

[Caitlyn Furness]

There is a free trial, so I sure hope he didn’t plunk down the clams for it!

I found the same things as Shaf, though, and will seriously check out Reminders 
in OS 10.x and the i phone a lot more!

Cait

> On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Did you just buy this app? Aside from contacting the developers, you could 
> also contact Apple through the receipt you received from the App Store. The 
> format of the receipt, I think, has just been updated, but there should be 
> something like a "report a problem" link. If you plan to uninstall the app 
> and discontinue use, you may be able to request a refund due to the app not 
> being accessible with VoiceOver.
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2015, at 5:20 PM, Shaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Things is not as accessible as it could be. Great app, but not worth $60.
>> For example, it's hard to schedule a task to do, project etc. I may contact 
>> the developers to see if they have any tips or can fix the UI a little.
>> 
>> 
>> -Shaf
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Re: organizer suggestions?

[Caitlyn Furness]

Grant,
Thanks.  I didn’t realize that Reminders could do all that!  The price is 
definitely right, as well!

I’ll go have a look a nd see if I can find a good tutorial/podcast on using it 
to it’s fullest!

Thanks bunches!
Cait

> On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> To tell the truth, I suspect that the built-in Reminders app would work just 
> fine for your purposes. You can have multiple reminder lists (e.g. one for 
> your shopping list, one for a project you are working on) and you can of 
> course have many reminders per list. These reminders may be associated with a 
> time and/or a location, or neither. For example, entries in a list of books 
> you'd like to read might not have to have any time or location associated 
> with them. You might just want a static list of items with the ability to 
> check off the ones you are finished with. Aside from location-based 
> reminders, there is the ability to set up complex recurring rules as well as 
> synchronization with Microsoft Exchange or iCloud. I would recommend giving 
> it a try to see if its features are sufficient.
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2015, at 5:47 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> It keeps track of projects in progress.  You can divide things into areas 
>> and such, so you can then make lists of things to do like grocry shopping, 
>> work, home, etc, and keep track of things specific to those areas and get 
>> reminders of those things when you are in that area.
>> 
>> Maybe if I understood how the native reminders app works better, I could 
>> figure out if it’ll do everything I want..
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Caitlyn, 
>>> 
>>> What does this things app offer that you cannot use the native reminders 
>>> and Calendar app? I’m asking because maybe if you explain exactly what your 
>>> needs are others can share what solutions they have found. I personally 
>>> love using the reminders app for simple things but I have not tried 
>>> anything too complicated.
>>> 
>>> Christina
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I was recently pointed toward an app called things.  It’s for the mac, and 
 they have an i phone version.  It’s a to do list and scheduler on 
 steroids!!  I would love to get it, but the price is very steep-about $60.
 
 does anybody have suggestions for a good app like this which doesn’t cost 
 an arm and a leg?
 
 thanks!
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Re: Success

[sadam ahmed]

Have just thus downloaded the iOS update file. 

Earlier in the day I backed up my device to my Mac via way of connecting 
through the Lightning cable. 

When it’s a civilised time  instead of 12:23 AM in the morning I’ll commence 
with updating the iPhone 6 to iOS 9. 

A pleasant day to all. 

With kind regards, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Diploma of International business 

School of IT and Logistics 

RMIT University 

LinkedIn: 

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed 
/ 

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/#
 

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> On 14 Jun 2015, at 12:02 am, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> In that case, I guess I’m screwed then, even though I thought one of my 
> iTunes backups was made right before I put 9 on, but I guess not.
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> They don't take versions into account, unless you're trying to restore one I 
>> O S device to a different type device.  IE, you can't restore your settings 
>> from an IPhone on to an IPad.  Trust me, I should know.  I tried.  Further, 
>> if the backup was made with a newer version of I O S than you're restoring 
>> to, it won't work.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Daniel Miller 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 9:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Success
>>> 
>>> Hi. I tried that twice last night, with no success each time. 8.3 would 
>>> restore back to my phone, but iTunes refused to restore the backup saying 
>>> the software on the phone was too old. Any tips on what I might be doing 
>>> wrong? Or if I might be potentially screwed? One backup was before I put 
>>> nine on, and the other one was with nine. I could've sworn iTunes backups 
>>> didn't take device versions into account though, but apparently they do.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
 OK, I can now safely and concretely confirm absolutely beyond a shadow of 
 a doubt that Apple is wrong in what they say on the dev web site.  Yes, 
 you most certainly can! downgrade from I O S 9 back to I O S 8.3.  I just 
 diddit, and even restored my 8.3 backup, and it worked absolutely 
 flawlessly.
  
 Just goes to show why I don't always read disclaimers.  Usually I will, 
 but not always.
  
 Chris.
 
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RE: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

[george b]

So why do you have to ust that language does it make you some kind of a man???

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 04:54
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

 

Guys,

 

I just wanted to clear up some miscommunication by Apple.  They say on the 
developer web site that once you upgrade to I O S 9, you cannot go back to a 
previous version, like 8.3.  That's utter bullshit from what so far I can see.  
Now, I wanna make this very very clear.  I am saying this on the basis of! from 
what I so? far! can see!  Keep that in mind.

 

I have an I O S device which I did update to I O S 9.  I've changed my mind, 
and now am deciding not to deploy it to I O S 9 after all.  OK, I have a device 
I will! be keeping on I O S 9, just not this particular one.  Anyway, the point 
is, they are only partially right in what they're saying on their web site from 
what it seems.

 

1.  If you try to downgrade while your device is normally booted up into I O S 
9, then no.  It won't work.  That is factually accurate information which I 
have verified.

 

2.  If, however Apple has not stopped digitally signing the previous version of 
I O S, which of corse, 8.3, they haven't, then you can get it back as long as 
before you restore the device, you first get the device into DFU mode, just as 
you did when you upgraded to I O S 9.  I tried this, and I O S 8.3 definitely 
now is downloading.  I'll keep you all posted, and let you all know if I'm able 
to flash it back, and restore from my backup.  To the best of my knowledge 
though, this seems to so far be working.

 

Chris.

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Re: Turn off auto correct in messages?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Specifically, in Messages, go under the Edit menu, to the Spelling & Grammar 
item, right to the sub-menu and uncheck the items affecting you.  Probably the 
Check Spelling while Typing  and Correct Spelling Automatically.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 04:40, Gary Price  wrote:

Morning everyone!

Please could someone tell me if there is a way of stopping messages on the Mac 
from trying to correct my spelling when I am writing a message. Its very 
annoying!

I have turned off the spelling option under system preferences, but its still 
correcting in messages.

On the iPhone its under keyboard, and the option is called auto correct.

Thanks very much.
I look forward to any responses.
Gary Price
Sent from my 13 inch Macbook pro.

This address is for personal contact:
garypric...@icloud.com

Twitter:
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Re: Success

[Daniel Miller]

Oh, never mind, I’m not screwed, I forgot about beta 4 of 8.4. lol sorry for 
the confusion.
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> They don't take versions into account, unless you're trying to restore one I 
> O S device to a different type device.  IE, you can't restore your settings 
> from an IPhone on to an IPad.  Trust me, I should know.  I tried.  Further, 
> if the backup was made with a newer version of I O S than you're restoring 
> to, it won't work.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Daniel Miller 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 9:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: Success
>> 
>> Hi. I tried that twice last night, with no success each time. 8.3 would 
>> restore back to my phone, but iTunes refused to restore the backup saying 
>> the software on the phone was too old. Any tips on what I might be doing 
>> wrong? Or if I might be potentially screwed? One backup was before I put 
>> nine on, and the other one was with nine. I could've sworn iTunes backups 
>> didn't take device versions into account though, but apparently they do.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>>> OK, I can now safely and concretely confirm absolutely beyond a shadow of a 
>>> doubt that Apple is wrong in what they say on the dev web site.  Yes, you 
>>> most certainly can! downgrade from I O S 9 back to I O S 8.3.  I just 
>>> diddit, and even restored my 8.3 backup, and it worked absolutely 
>>> flawlessly.
>>>  
>>> Just goes to show why I don't always read disclaimers.  Usually I will, but 
>>> not always.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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Re: Success

[Daniel Miller]

In that case, I guess I’m screwed then, even though I thought one of my iTunes 
backups was made right before I put 9 on, but I guess not.
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> They don't take versions into account, unless you're trying to restore one I 
> O S device to a different type device.  IE, you can't restore your settings 
> from an IPhone on to an IPad.  Trust me, I should know.  I tried.  Further, 
> if the backup was made with a newer version of I O S than you're restoring 
> to, it won't work.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Daniel Miller 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 9:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: Success
>> 
>> Hi. I tried that twice last night, with no success each time. 8.3 would 
>> restore back to my phone, but iTunes refused to restore the backup saying 
>> the software on the phone was too old. Any tips on what I might be doing 
>> wrong? Or if I might be potentially screwed? One backup was before I put 
>> nine on, and the other one was with nine. I could've sworn iTunes backups 
>> didn't take device versions into account though, but apparently they do.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>>> OK, I can now safely and concretely confirm absolutely beyond a shadow of a 
>>> doubt that Apple is wrong in what they say on the dev web site.  Yes, you 
>>> most certainly can! downgrade from I O S 9 back to I O S 8.3.  I just 
>>> diddit, and even restored my 8.3 backup, and it worked absolutely 
>>> flawlessly.
>>>  
>>> Just goes to show why I don't always read disclaimers.  Usually I will, but 
>>> not always.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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Re: Success

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

They don't take versions into account, unless you're trying to restore one I O 
S device to a different type device.  IE, you can't restore your settings from 
an IPhone on to an IPad.  Trust me, I should know.  I tried.  Further, if the 
backup was made with a newer version of I O S than you're restoring to, it 
won't work.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Miller 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 9:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Success


  Hi. I tried that twice last night, with no success each time. 8.3 would 
restore back to my phone, but iTunes refused to restore the backup saying the 
software on the phone was too old. Any tips on what I might be doing wrong? Or 
if I might be potentially screwed? One backup was before I put nine on, and the 
other one was with nine. I could've sworn iTunes backups didn't take device 
versions into account though, but apparently they do.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


OK, I can now safely and concretely confirm absolutely beyond a shadow of a 
doubt that Apple is wrong in what they say on the dev web site.  Yes, you most 
certainly can! downgrade from I O S 9 back to I O S 8.3.  I just diddit, and 
even restored my 8.3 backup, and it worked absolutely flawlessly.

Just goes to show why I don't always read disclaimers.  Usually I will, but 
not always.

Chris.

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Re: Success

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. I tried that twice last night, with no success each time. 8.3 would restore 
back to my phone, but iTunes refused to restore the backup saying the software 
on the phone was too old. Any tips on what I might be doing wrong? Or if I 
might be potentially screwed? One backup was before I put nine on, and the 
other one was with nine. I could've sworn iTunes backups didn't take device 
versions into account though, but apparently they do.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, I can now safely and concretely confirm absolutely beyond a shadow of a 
> doubt that Apple is wrong in what they say on the dev web site.  Yes, you 
> most certainly can! downgrade from I O S 9 back to I O S 8.3.  I just diddit, 
> and even restored my 8.3 backup, and it worked absolutely flawlessly.
>  
> Just goes to show why I don't always read disclaimers.  Usually I will, but 
> not always.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Honestly,

They need to be more clear at how they word that then, as the way they make 
it sound is, you literally! cannot downgrade, period.  Once it's on I O S 9, 
that's it.  No turning back, regardless.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Buddy Brannan" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.


Chris,

You are correct. You can go back. What Apple means, however, is that if you 
decide to downgrade, you have to erase your phone and start over from 
scratch. "From scratch", yes, but of course you can restore from a backup. 
The thing is, your backup will still mean you have to do some setup again. 
Notably, Touch ID, and reauthorizing your cards for Applepay and other 
things like that.


So, they're right. You can't go back, at least, not in the same way you can 
go forward. You can always go forward and retain your authorizations and 
what not. You can't go back and retain those things.


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On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Guys,

I just wanted to clear up some miscommunication by Apple.  They say on the 
developer web site that once you upgrade to I O S 9, you cannot go back to 
a previous version, like 8.3.  That's utter bullshit from what so far I 
can see.  Now, I wanna make this very very clear.  I am saying this on the 
basis of! from what I so? far! can see!  Keep that in mind.


I have an I O S device which I did update to I O S 9.  I've changed my 
mind, and now am deciding not to deploy it to I O S 9 after all.  OK, I 
have a device I will! be keeping on I O S 9, just not this particular one. 
Anyway, the point is, they are only partially right in what they're saying 
on their web site from what it seems.


1.  If you try to downgrade while your device is normally booted up into I 
O S 9, then no.  It won't work.  That is factually accurate information 
which I have verified.


2.  If, however Apple has not stopped digitally signing the previous 
version of I O S, which of corse, 8.3, they haven't, then you can get it 
back as long as before you restore the device, you first get the device 
into DFU mode, just as you did when you upgraded to I O S 9.  I tried 
this, and I O S 8.3 definitely now is downloading.  I'll keep you all 
posted, and let you all know if I'm able to flash it back, and restore 
from my backup.  To the best of my knowledge though, this seems to so far 
be working.


Chris.

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Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

[Buddy Brannan]

Chris,

You are correct. You can go back. What Apple means, however, is that if you 
decide to downgrade, you have to erase your phone and start over from scratch. 
"From scratch", yes, but of course you can restore from a backup. The thing is, 
your backup will still mean you have to do some setup again. Notably, Touch ID, 
and reauthorizing your cards for Applepay and other things like that. 

So, they're right. You can't go back, at least, not in the same way you can go 
forward. You can always go forward and retain your authorizations and what not. 
You can't go back and retain those things. 

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Mobile: 814-431-0962
Email: bu...@brannan.name




> On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I just wanted to clear up some miscommunication by Apple.  They say on the 
> developer web site that once you upgrade to I O S 9, you cannot go back to a 
> previous version, like 8.3.  That's utter bullshit from what so far I can 
> see.  Now, I wanna make this very very clear.  I am saying this on the basis 
> of! from what I so? far! can see!  Keep that in mind.
>  
> I have an I O S device which I did update to I O S 9.  I've changed my mind, 
> and now am deciding not to deploy it to I O S 9 after all.  OK, I have a 
> device I will! be keeping on I O S 9, just not this particular one.  Anyway, 
> the point is, they are only partially right in what they're saying on their 
> web site from what it seems.
>  
> 1.  If you try to downgrade while your device is normally booted up into I O 
> S 9, then no.  It won't work.  That is factually accurate information which I 
> have verified.
>  
> 2.  If, however Apple has not stopped digitally signing the previous version 
> of I O S, which of corse, 8.3, they haven't, then you can get it back as long 
> as before you restore the device, you first get the device into DFU mode, 
> just as you did when you upgraded to I O S 9.  I tried this, and I O S 8.3 
> definitely now is downloading.  I'll keep you all posted, and let you all 
> know if I'm able to flash it back, and restore from my backup.  To the best 
> of my knowledge though, this seems to so far be working.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[Shaf]

I'm really glad to report that El Capitan is a lot more responsive with 
VoiceOver. Huge thanks to Apple for fixing this!
They've also added some other sound when navigating to another folder 
(VoiceOver only), which is kind of weird but it's OK. The 'Allow 
VoiceOver to be controlled with Apple Script' checkbox is finally fixed.
Another slightly annoying bug is VoiceOver makes a double clicking sound 
when entering a password.


On 6/13/2015 11:41 AM, Kliph wrote:
That is a pretty simple process.  Go to disk utility with command 
shift u, go to disc utility, select the drive you want to create the 
partition on, vo space bar on partition, go to add knew, by default it 
will split your drive into 2 partitions in exact size.  If you like 
theis, click continue, it will let you know that the 2nd partition 
will be created without changing anything on the first, if you are 
fine with that, click next.  Wait a few minutes, and your second 
partition should be created.  HTH
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On Jun 13, 2015, at 5:39 AM, Rajiv Shah > wrote:


Christopher,


How did you create the partitioning accessibly?


Regards,


Rajiv




- Original Message -
From: christopher hallsworth >
To: macvisionaries >

Sent: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 02:40:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

Hi all

I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in 
the last hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 
Yosemite. All went well, and I can boot into either operating system, 
even though the primary partition has an operating system newer than 
the secondary partition. You try this on Windows, you will be out of 
luck. You must install the oldest version first then the newer one if 
you want a successful multiboot environment. No such limitation 
exists on the Mac platform though.


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Success

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, I can now safely and concretely confirm absolutely beyond a shadow of a 
doubt that Apple is wrong in what they say on the dev web site.  Yes, you most 
certainly can! downgrade from I O S 9 back to I O S 8.3.  I just diddit, and 
even restored my 8.3 backup, and it worked absolutely flawlessly.

Just goes to show why I don't always read disclaimers.  Usually I will, but not 
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Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys,

I just wanted to clear up some miscommunication by Apple.  They say on the 
developer web site that once you upgrade to I O S 9, you cannot go back to a 
previous version, like 8.3.  That's utter bullshit from what so far I can see.  
Now, I wanna make this very very clear.  I am saying this on the basis of! from 
what I so? far! can see!  Keep that in mind.

I have an I O S device which I did update to I O S 9.  I've changed my mind, 
and now am deciding not to deploy it to I O S 9 after all.  OK, I have a device 
I will! be keeping on I O S 9, just not this particular one.  Anyway, the point 
is, they are only partially right in what they're saying on their web site from 
what it seems.

1.  If you try to downgrade while your device is normally booted up into I O S 
9, then no.  It won't work.  That is factually accurate information which I 
have verified.

2.  If, however Apple has not stopped digitally signing the previous version of 
I O S, which of corse, 8.3, they haven't, then you can get it back as long as 
before you restore the device, you first get the device into DFU mode, just as 
you did when you upgraded to I O S 9.  I tried this, and I O S 8.3 definitely 
now is downloading.  I'll keep you all posted, and let you all know if I'm able 
to flash it back, and restore from my backup.  To the best of my knowledge 
though, this seems to so far be working.

Chris.

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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[Kliph]

That is a pretty simple process.  Go to disk utility with command shift u, go 
to disc utility, select the drive you want to create the partition on, vo space 
bar on partition, go to add knew, by default it will split your drive into 2 
partitions in exact size.  If you like theis, click continue, it will let you 
know that the 2nd partition will be created without changing anything on the 
first, if you are fine with that, click next.  Wait a few minutes, and your 
second partition should be created.  HTH
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> On Jun 13, 2015, at 5:39 AM, Rajiv Shah  wrote:
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> 
> How did you create the partitioning accessibly?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Rajiv
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: christopher hallsworth 
> To: macvisionaries 
> Sent: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 02:40:58 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the last 
> hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. All went 
> well, and I can boot into either operating system, even though the primary 
> partition has an operating system newer than the secondary partition. You try 
> this on Windows, you will be out of luck. You must install the oldest version 
> first then the newer one if you want a successful multiboot environment. No 
> such limitation exists on the Mac platform though.
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Turn off auto correct in messages?

[Gary Price]

Morning everyone!

Please could someone tell me if there is a way of stopping messages on the Mac 
from trying to correct my spelling when I am writing a message. Its very 
annoying!

I have turned off the spelling option under system preferences, but its still 
correcting in messages.

On the iPhone its under keyboard, and the option is called auto correct.

Thanks very much.
I look forward to any responses.
Gary Price
Sent from my 13 inch Macbook pro.

This address is for personal contact:
garypric...@icloud.com

Twitter:
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editing meta data in iTunes using windows?

[Kliph]

Okay, for some strange reason, when I edit TV shows on the mac in iTunes, it 
won’t stay.  but when I edit it in windows version of iTunes, and import it in 
to the mac iTunes library it sticks.  Strange I know, someone suggested it to 
me, and low and behold it works.  Anyway, I hate having to hit the tab key a 
gazillion times when trying to get to the field I want to change.  I have 
already tried F6, and buying and downloading JTunes is not an option.  So if 
anyone has any navigating tips for iTunes for windows when editing meta data 
for TV shows, that would be great.  Thanks.

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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[sadam ahmed]

That’s pretty damn cool!  

Thanks for sharing this narrative with the list Christopher. 

I’m part of the developer program so will be installing iOS 9 shortly but
probably won’t be risking my Mac when it comes to the next version of OS X. 

Have yourself a fabulous day. 

With regards, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Diploma of International business 

School of IT and Logistics 

RMIT University 

LinkedIn: 

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed 
/ 

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/#
 

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> On 13 Jun 2015, at 5:32 pm, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Well it works great, and there are bugs, but these won't be discussed. If you 
> are in the developer program, please write off list then we can take this 
> discussion further. Thank you.
>> On 13 Jun 2015, at 08:20, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I have an installer for el capitan right now, but I honestly think 
>> I'll just wait for the public beta. I don't know what bugs there may be that 
>> could be showstoppers. I know el capitan is for cleaning up the bugs, but 
>> still I don't think I should take chances so quickly.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 2:15 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think you will be pleasantly surprised when El Capitan is released in at 
>>> least public beta form.
 On 13 Jun 2015, at 08:02, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
 Wow, that's amazing. I think the Mac just needs more developers and it'll 
 be perfect.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 1:40 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the 
> last hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. 
> All went well, and I can boot into either operating system, even though 
> the primary partition has an operating system newer than the secondary 
> partition. You try this on Windows, you will be out of luck. You must 
> install the oldest version first then the newer one if you want a 
> successful multiboot environment. No such limitation exists on the Mac 
> platform though.
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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[Rajiv Shah]

Christopher,How did you create the partitioning accessibly?Regards,Rajiv

- Original Message -
From: christopher hallsworth 
To: macvisionaries 
Sent: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 02:40:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

Hi all

I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the last 
hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. All went 
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partition has an operating system newer than the secondary partition. You try 
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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[christopher hallsworth]

Well it works great, and there are bugs, but these won't be discussed. If you 
are in the developer program, please write off list then we can take this 
discussion further. Thank you.
> On 13 Jun 2015, at 08:20, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Well, I have an installer for el capitan right now, but I honestly think I'll 
> just wait for the public beta. I don't know what bugs there may be that could 
> be showstoppers. I know el capitan is for cleaning up the bugs, but still I 
> don't think I should take chances so quickly.
> 
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>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 2:15 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think you will be pleasantly surprised when El Capitan is released in at 
>> least public beta form.
>>> On 13 Jun 2015, at 08:02, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that's amazing. I think the Mac just needs more developers and it'll 
>>> be perfect.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 13, 2015, at 1:40 AM, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all
 
 I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the 
 last hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. 
 All went well, and I can boot into either operating system, even though 
 the primary partition has an operating system newer than the secondary 
 partition. You try this on Windows, you will be out of luck. You must 
 install the oldest version first then the newer one if you want a 
 successful multiboot environment. No such limitation exists on the Mac 
 platform though.
 
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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[Devin Prater]

Well, I have an installer for el capitan right now, but I honestly think I'll 
just wait for the public beta. I don't know what bugs there may be that could 
be showstoppers. I know el capitan is for cleaning up the bugs, but still I 
don't think I should take chances so quickly.

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> On Jun 13, 2015, at 2:15 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> I think you will be pleasantly surprised when El Capitan is released in at 
> least public beta form.
>> On 13 Jun 2015, at 08:02, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, that's amazing. I think the Mac just needs more developers and it'll be 
>> perfect.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 1:40 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the 
>>> last hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. All 
>>> went well, and I can boot into either operating system, even though the 
>>> primary partition has an operating system newer than the secondary 
>>> partition. You try this on Windows, you will be out of luck. You must 
>>> install the oldest version first then the newer one if you want a 
>>> successful multiboot environment. No such limitation exists on the Mac 
>>> platform though.
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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[christopher hallsworth]

I think you will be pleasantly surprised when El Capitan is released in at 
least public beta form.
> On 13 Jun 2015, at 08:02, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Wow, that's amazing. I think the Mac just needs more developers and it'll be 
> perfect.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 1:40 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the 
>> last hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. All 
>> went well, and I can boot into either operating system, even though the 
>> primary partition has an operating system newer than the secondary 
>> partition. You try this on Windows, you will be out of luck. You must 
>> install the oldest version first then the newer one if you want a successful 
>> multiboot environment. No such limitation exists on the Mac platform though.
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Re: Another awesome thing with the Mac Platform

[Devin Prater]

Wow, that's amazing. I think the Mac just needs more developers and it'll be 
perfect.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2015, at 1:40 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I am currently running the beta of OS X 10.11 El Capitan, however in the last 
> hour I have installed the public release of OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite. All went 
> well, and I can boot into either operating system, even though the primary 
> partition has an operating system newer than the secondary partition. You try 
> this on Windows, you will be out of luck. You must install the oldest version 
> first then the newer one if you want a successful multiboot environment. No 
> such limitation exists on the Mac platform though.
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