Is There An Easier Way of Interacting With Apple Music?

2015-07-04 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hey all. I know there must be an easier way to get to the HTML content of Apple 
Music but don't know what it is. I've been tabbing all this time to get to the 
HTML content. Is there an easier way?

Shawn
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Re: Is There An Easier Way of Interacting With Apple Music?

2015-07-04 Thread christopher hallsworth
Oh yes! That's vo-fn-right on a Macbook Air or Macbook Pro.


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 On 4 Jul 2015, at 10:01, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Shawn,
 
 Further to Chris’s post, I’d recommend using VO+end to move directly to the 
 HTML content rather than repeated presses of VO right arrow.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
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 Don't tab; use the vo keys to navigate to the HTML content then interact 
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 On 4 Jul 2015, at 07:19, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hey all. I know there must be an easier way to get to the HTML content of 
 Apple Music but don't know what it is. I've been tabbing all this time to 
 get to the HTML content. Is there an easier way?
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook
 
 
 
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Re: satisfied with the new garageband

2015-07-04 Thread Roland Zitzke
Hi, yes, in fact the biggest problems appear to be solved in GB, in 
particular it is now easily possible to stretch and shrink regions and 
loops.
However, one thing doesn't work for me and I wonder if this is VO related 
at all.
1. Create a new project with a virtual instrument, I have a MIDI keyboard 
connected, electric piano is the standard instrument preselected on the 
first and only track.
2. Confirm that you can instantly change the instrument by selecting a new 
one in the browser.
3. use CMD-D to duplicate the track, chose a different instrument on that 
second track.
4. Now go back to the first track and use B to open smart controls, enable 
the arpeggiator and chose one of the presets. It should work right away.
5. Now, try to change an instrument on either track. The library browser is 
shown, I can select an instrument, but the change is simply not applied, 
neither on the track with the smart control nor on the other track.
I can still select each track and hear the instruments, I just cannot 
change them.
Any hints?
Thanks and cheers, Roland


Am Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2015 05:19:40 UTC+2 schrieb Devin Prater:

 Hi all. The new garageband works pretty well, with what I do anyways. The 
 new automated drummers work well too, and I just figured out how to use 
 arpeggiators well too. Now I have to figure out how everyone makes the 
  vocal software instrument slide its pitch up and down and all. I don’t 
 think its pitch bend, because its far more natural than any pitch bend 
 wheel could ever do.

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Re: Is There An Easier Way of Interacting With Apple Music?

2015-07-04 Thread christopher hallsworth
Don't tab; use the vo keys to navigate to the HTML content then interact with 
it.


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 On 4 Jul 2015, at 07:19, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hey all. I know there must be an easier way to get to the HTML content of 
 Apple Music but don't know what it is. I've been tabbing all this time to get 
 to the HTML content. Is there an easier way?
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook
 
 
 
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Re: Downloading from Apple Music library

2015-07-04 Thread christopher hallsworth
Great post. Cheers!


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 On 3 Jul 2015, at 23:44, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Actually,
 
 Let's be very clear here.  I actually love the openness you get with Android. 
  In fact, in some ways, I like it a bit more than Apple.  this however said, 
 the way I see it is like this:  Apple is great for some things, and Android 
 is good for others.
 
 I actually think it's awesome how Apple did their whole thing with Apple 
 Music legistically.  Think about it this way.
 
 You've heard about this new band who is hot on the radio.  They're not 
 typically your style, but you're willing to have an open mind.  So, what do 
 you do?  You go find them in ITunes, and you stream the album totally for 
 free.  You can do it unlimited amount a times, 1 time a day, or 10 thousand! 
 times a day.  OK, fine, smart alak, you can't get 1 plays in one day, but 
 you get my point.  Point being, you're never! never never ever ever obligated 
 or require to buy it.  If you like it enough, and feel it is worth it, and 
 you really want to support the artist, and you really want to buy the album, 
 then buy it!  What if an album goes out of print before you have that chance? 
  Well, that's justa risk you take.  Most things though don't go out of print 
 unless there's a really good reason for it, so that really isn't a completely 
 logical excuse.  It kind of is, I'll admit, but not really.
 
 I see both sides of this.  I know that people want to own their music, but 
 think of it this way.  Technically, you don't own the music anyway.  You 
 don't own the copy rights on it, do ya?  So, technically speaking, I know 
 this is going on a major stretch, but is it really your's?  No, it's not.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:37 PM
 Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
 
 
 May I kindly therefore suggest you leave the Apple ecosystem and go with a 
 system like Android or Windows? When you buy an Apple product, you have to 
 agree to their terms and be in their ecosystem. Don't like it? Don't agree 
 to their terms, sell or return your Apple products and go for a more open 
 platform. Chris, myself and others, even my friend of ten years this October, 
 love Apple very much and will always stick by them. Sorry, I just can't 
 understand the complaints of such a new service and the ecosystem altogether, 
 especially if they themselves are on an Apple list. Just my £0.02 worth.
 
 
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 On 3 Jul 2015, at 22:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I suppose next, you're going to tell us how to get a copy of jaws totally 
 for free illegally!  Oh, come on!  It won't hurt to steel from the company! 
 Rauight!  Smirk?
 
 Never mind my major! sarcasm.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:35 AM
 Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
 
 
 +1.
 I've tried cracking the DRM with stuff like Sound Taxi with no luck.
 They've apparently modified/strengthened the DRM protection which sucks,
 but somebody will come up with a workaround soon.
 95% of my offline music collection is in FLAC. I cannot comprehend
 depending on streaming services to deliver my music. £10 per month is
 ridiculous - and I don't own a local, non-protected copy of any of my
 tracks while I am subscribed.
 Streaming music appeals to many because they think they're getting a
 good deal and don't have to torrent stuff all the time. Same thing with
 Netflix. If people are happy with that then it's really their choice,
 but why wouldn't you want to own a local copy of material? What if the
 internet dies, you're capped, you have a slow connection etc?
 
 Finally, if I want to support an artist I'll make an effort to meet them
 and find alternative ways of donating to them, rather than purchasing
 from a company who takes a 30% cut of the funds. That is just wrong, and
 same goes for developers who make incredible apps and are forced to
 upload their apps in the app store. Apple don't deserve 30% of a cut.
 Not even payment gateways take that much.
 
 
 -Shaf
 On 7/3/2015 2:24 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
 DRM is evil.  Apple DRM is no exception, even if they’ve probably invented 
 the least annoying kind of DRM there is, it’s still DRM and it still 
 restricts you, all in the name of artificial market differentiation. Which 
 is wrong, and evil.
 
 As to Apple Music, I can see myself using it for discovery, but I’ll never 

Re: Apple Music Offline Listening

2015-07-04 Thread Edward Green
Hi,

Yes, just VO+shift+M  on the album rather than on the individual songs.

Cheers,

Ed
 On 4 Jul 2015, at 06:05, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes! Arrow down and arrow up worked for me. Is there any way to add entire 
 albums for off-line listening? For now, I am adding the album to my music, 
 sorting my music library by date and downloading each of the tracks separately
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 04-Jul-2015, at 12:46 am, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 It sounds as though you’re in the right view.  Maybe try opening the action 
 menu, then arrow down and back up in case the menu is behaving strangely.
 
 I use the ‘For you’ view as it happens.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
 On 3 Jul 2015, at 07:04, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Oh. Should I search for the album from specific view? That is, the new, 
 radio, or for you views? 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 03-Jul-2015, at 11:30 am, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 For me, it’s the top option in the action menu on albums.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
 On 3 Jul 2015, at 06:40, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks! That makes things a lot easier.
 I'm not sure on how to add complete albums to my music and later download 
 them
 When I search for an album on Apple music, click on it, I go and interact 
 with the header which is named after the album name
 I find  name of the album, the option to play, shuffle, show action menu, 
 the artists in the album, the number of songs, and the option to love it
 I do not find the option to add it to my music.
 Even when I click on show action menu, I just have add to and share as 
 the options
 Add to shows up in the playlists in my library
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 03-Jul-2015, at 4:45 am, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi again Chris,
 
 I have just discovered you can shortcut the steps around interacting 
 with the table and selecting the track.  Instead of clicking on the 
 track, there is an unlabelled button above the name, which is a play 
 button.  Just hit that, and the LCD section populates.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
 On 2 Jul 2015, at 22:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually, I don't even see the option to add it to my ICloud Music 
 library, unless I'm on my mac.
 
 Here's what I'm doing.  Tell me if I'm doing this maybe  incorrectly.
 
 1.  Open ITunes, obviously.
 
 2.  Find the For You radio button under Music and select it.
 
 3.  Hit command+Shift+F to search.
 
 4.  Type in, say, Breakfast at Tiffany's and hit return.
 
 5.  Interact with the HTML content.
 
 6.  Under the top results heading, find Breakfast at Tiffany's 
 clicable, and vo+space on it.
 
 7.  Interact with the scroll area, then find the table and interact.
 
 8.  Find the actual track, Breakfast at Tiffany's.
 
 9.  Vo+Shift+M on it.
 
 10.  I see no option here to either add to playlist, which pisses the 
 holy Hannah hell! outta me, nor do I see anything to add to my ICloud.  
 Is that what the Copy option does?  I thought that was for copying 
 the track somehow to the clipboard to be pasted elseware.  NO?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 5:31 PM
 Subject: Apple Music Offline Listening
 
 
 There's no option that I can see to download music from Apple Music 
 for offline listening. Anybody have an idea of where it is? I've added 
 the track/album to my library but offline listening only shows on iOS.
 
 Thanks
 -Shaf
 
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Re: Is There An Easier Way of Interacting With Apple Music?

2015-07-04 Thread Edward Green
Hi Shawn,

Further to Chris’s post, I’d recommend using VO+end to move directly to the 
HTML content rather than repeated presses of VO right arrow.

Cheers,

Ed
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 On 4 Jul 2015, at 07:19, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hey all. I know there must be an easier way to get to the HTML content of 
 Apple Music but don't know what it is. I've been tabbing all this time to 
 get to the HTML content. Is there an easier way?
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook
 
 
 
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Urgent! Need to know how to export an iTunes playlist

2015-07-04 Thread Kristeen Hughes
I need the songs and their order on a USB thumb drive. I have not done this in 
a long time and have forgotten how it is done.

Thanks in advance.

Kristeen

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Re: Urgent! Need to know how to export an iTunes playlist

2015-07-04 Thread Kristeen Hughes
That simply puts a .xml file on the drive that is about 48 KB in size, but not 
the songs.

Kristeen

 On Jul 4, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Select the Playlist you wish to export, go up to the File menu, down to 
 Library, right and down to Export Playlist.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jul 4, 2015, at 08:42, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I need the songs and their order on a USB thumb drive. I have not done this 
 in a long time and have forgotten how it is done.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Kristeen
 
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Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!

2015-07-04 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
First off, before I say anything, let me start by wishing everyone a very very! 
happy, and safe forth.  God bless America!

OK, anyway, here is my concern.  I'd be curious how you all would a handled 
this.  I was trying to do something in Yosemite earlier today.  I can't really 
go into the specifics of what.  You'll know why in a second.  Come to find out, 
this something worked just fine in Mavericks, but apparently Apple broke 
Voiceover accessibility in this one area within Yosemite.  Well, the thing is, 
I didn't realize that it had been busted in Yosemite.  I thought, like 
mavericks, it still worked, as this isn't exactly the most common feature in 
the OS that I've had to access.  The thing is, I am an Apple developer.  On one 
of my test machines, I'm running the developer beta preview of El Capitan.  In 
El Capitan, the issue I was facing has been fixed.  I just happened at the time 
to be at my Yosemite production machine instead.  So, I called Apple 
Accessibility to see if maybe I was missing something.  It was then determined 
that this has been broken since the official first release of Yosemite.

Well, obviously, I'm on NDA, and from what Developer Support has told me,  most 
of the senior advisors in the Accessibility department are not devs, therefore, 
it is advised not to discuss with them any of the stuff that is covered under 
NDA.  This means, I couldn't exactly say, no big deal, it's fixed in El 
Capitan.  I'll just wait until it's released, and all will be golden.  The 
advisor starts to open a ticket feedback case request to engineering to figure 
out if this issue can be fixed in a future OSX release.  I felt so! bad!  On 
the one hand, I knew he was waisting his time doing this, as it has! been 
fixed, but, yet, I really couldn't say anything.

This made me really uneasy.  I hate waisting people's time.  So, what should I 
have done?  I wound up just letting him create the ticket, but I feel really 
bad doing so and bothering engineers with something which already has been 
addressed.

Chris.

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Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!

2015-07-04 Thread Yuma Decaux
Chris,

I’m not sure what exactly you are trying to achieve in the context of 
contacting apple’s general accessibility desk  when you can get on with the 
developer program, as you’ve mentioned you have, and start bug reporting on 
yosemite’s beta program as some might not make the switch once it goes public, 
though this is definetely not what is recommended as the new OS is mainly 
focused on performance.

The best method for reporting each of your bugs is to first fill in the 
descriptive form offered by feedback assistant, then add an audio example to 
demonstrate the issue. Apple’s engineers will immediately find it very helpful 
and understand the problem as you explain the process. The fact that you are 
sending a feedback form and not talking to a lower level apple support tech 
will increase your chances of having the issue resolved.

Cheers,







 On 5/07/2015, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 First off, before I say anything, let me start by wishing everyone a very 
 very! happy, and safe forth.  God bless America!
  
 OK, anyway, here is my concern.  I'd be curious how you all would a handled 
 this.  I was trying to do something in Yosemite earlier today.  I can't 
 really go into the specifics of what.  You'll know why in a second.  Come to 
 find out, this something worked just fine in Mavericks, but apparently Apple 
 broke Voiceover accessibility in this one area within Yosemite.  Well, the 
 thing is, I didn't realize that it had been busted in Yosemite.  I thought, 
 like mavericks, it still worked, as this isn't exactly the most common 
 feature in the OS that I've had to access.  The thing is, I am an Apple 
 developer.  On one of my test machines, I'm running the developer beta 
 preview of El  Capitan.  In El Capitan, the issue I was facing has been 
 fixed.  I just happened at the time to be at my Yosemite production machine 
 instead.  So, I called Apple Accessibility to see if maybe I was missing 
 something.  It was then determined that this has been broken since the 
 official first release of Yosemite.
  
 Well, obviously, I'm on NDA, and from what Developer Support has told me,  
 most of the senior advisors in the Accessibility department are not devs, 
 therefore, it is advised not to discuss with them any of the stuff that is 
 covered under NDA.  This means, I couldn't exactly say, no big deal, it's 
 fixed in El Capitan.  I'll just wait until it's released, and all will be 
 golden.  The advisor starts to open a ticket feedback case request to 
 engineering to figure out if this issue can be fixed in a future OSX release. 
  I felt so! bad!  On the one hand, I knew he was waisting his time doing 
 this, as it has! been fixed, but, yet, I really couldn't say anything.
  
 This made me really uneasy.  I hate waisting people's time.  So, what should 
 I have done?  I wound up just letting him create the ticket, but I feel 
 really bad doing so and bothering engineers with something which already has 
 been addressed.
  
 Chris.
 
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Re: Urgent! Need to know how to export an iTunes playlist

2015-07-04 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Select the Playlist you wish to export, go up to the File menu, down to 
Library, right and down to Export Playlist.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 4, 2015, at 08:42, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

I need the songs and their order on a USB thumb drive. I have not done this in 
a long time and have forgotten how it is done.

Thanks in advance.

Kristeen

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Re: calendar

2015-07-04 Thread Alex Hall
You can use cmd-1 through cmd-4 to choose day, week, month, or year views. I'm 
not sure which view you're in, but try week or month view. Locate the day, and 
interact; you'll find a list that gives you all the events for that day. I have 
a full podcast up on AppleVis explaining the Calendar on the Mac, if you're 
interested.
 On Jul 4, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 I’m trying to use the calendar and for whatever reason it’s only showing one 
 event. I see july, 4, then june (not sure why it shows the previous month, 
 maybe it thinks i’d forget)? Can I get rid of that and show all events for a 
 day?
 Thanks,
 
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Re: hiding ibooks in ibooks app on the mac

2015-07-04 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

If I'm understanding correctly, you only want to see the iBooks that are stored 
locally on your Mac.  If so, then go under the View menu in the menubar and 
choose Hide iCloud Books.  That should do it for you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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Hi,
I have a fairly large ibooks library with books that i bought in the ibooks 
store. On ios i can filter the selection to only show ones stored on that 
device. I do notice that if i delete a book from my iphone the copy also 
sdisappears from the mac.
But I cant seem to filter on the mac the way i can on ios only showing the 
books that are stored on the mac at that time.
Is this possible somewhere?
I love the fact that the boks are in sync in where you are with reading on 
either device.
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!

2015-07-04 Thread Yuma Decaux
You mentioned having an issue with Yosemite. Read your own text below:

 I'd be curious how you all would a handled this.  I was trying to do 
 something in Yosemite earlier today.  I can't really go into the specifics 
 of what.  You'll know why in a second

So I gave you a response in context with yosemite. But now you’re saying you’re 
using el capitan. 

Where’s the confusion here?

 I’m just giving you some pointers. 



 On 5/07/2015, at 7:23 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 The reason I called Accessibility was because I am not running the beta of 
 Yosemite, only that of El Capitan, therefore, I should be covered with their 
 support.  Second off, I didn't know if this was a bug, or if it was just me 
 not knowing what I was doing.  Thirdly, it generally takes engineering a 
 while to write back.  In my case, I needed to try getting an answer as 
 quickly as possible.
  
 Finally, is it really a bad thing me calling Apple Accessibility since I'm a 
 dev?  Does that fulfit my right to ask them questions?
  
 Sorry, but now, I'm very confused.
  
 Chris.
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Yuma Decaux mailto:jamy...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 5:17 PM
 Subject: Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!
 
 Chris,
 
 I’m not sure what exactly you are trying to achieve in the context of 
 contacting apple’s general accessibility desk  when you can get on with the 
 developer program, as you’ve mentioned you have, and start bug reporting on 
 yosemite’s beta program as some might not make the switch once it goes 
 public, though this is definetely not what is recommended as the new OS is 
 mainly focused on performance.
 
 The best method for reporting each of your bugs is to first fill in the 
 descriptive form offered by feedback assistant, then add an audio example to 
 demonstrate the issue. Apple’s engineers will immediately find it very 
 helpful and understand the problem as you explain the process. The fact that 
 you are sending a feedback form and not talking to a lower level apple 
 support tech will increase your chances of having the issue resolved.
 
 Cheers,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 5/07/2015, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 First off, before I say anything, let me start by wishing everyone a very 
 very! happy, and safe forth.  God bless America!
  
 OK, anyway, here is my concern.  I'd be curious how you all would a handled 
 this.  I was trying to do something in Yosemite earlier today.  I can't 
 really go into the specifics of what.  You'll know why in a second.  Come 
 to find out, this something worked just fine in Mavericks, but apparently 
 Apple broke Voiceover accessibility in this one area within Yosemite.  
 Well, the thing is, I didn't realize that it had been busted in Yosemite.  
 I thought, like mavericks, it still worked, as this isn't exactly the most 
 common feature in the OS that I've had to access.  The thing is, I am an 
 Apple developer.  On one of my test machines, I'm running the developer 
 beta preview of El Capitan.  In El Capitan, the issue I was facing has been 
 fixed.  I just happened at the time to be at my Yosemite production machine 
 instead.  So, I called Apple Accessibility to see if maybe I was missing 
 something.  It was then determined that this has been broken since the 
 official first release of Yosemite.
  
 Well, obviously, I'm on NDA, and from what Developer Support has told me,  
 most of the senior advisors in the Accessibility department are not devs, 
 therefore, it is advised not to discuss with them any of the stuff that is 
 covered under NDA.  This means, I couldn't exactly say, no big deal, it's 
 fixed in El Capitan.  I'll just wait until it's released, and all will be 
 golden.  The advisor starts to open a ticket feedback case request to 
 engineering to figure out if this issue can be fixed in a future OSX 
 release.  I felt so! bad!  On the one hand, I knew he was waisting his time 
 doing this, as it has! been fixed, but, yet, I really couldn't say anything.
  
 This made me really uneasy.  I hate waisting people's time.  So, what 
 should I have done?  I wound up just letting him create the ticket, but I 
 feel really bad doing so and bothering engineers with something which 
 already has been addressed.
  
 Chris.
 
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Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!

2015-07-04 Thread E.T.

Chris,
   Let me se if I can put this in a different prrspective.

   Forgetting the devepor angle, assume that Yosemite is still in 
development even tho El Capitan may be released in just 2-3 months. 
Maybe Apple has no plans to release anything further for Yosemite. Does 
not matter.


   If Accessibility is willing to write a ticket, that is fine as it 
stheir job. Whether ti goes beyond that is of no importance. You 
submitted a bug report, its now Apple's to do whatever they want with it.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 7/4/2015 2:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

The reason I called Accessibility was because I am not running the beta
of Yosemite, only that of El Capitan, therefore, I should be covered
with their support.  Second off, I didn't know if this was a bug, or if
it was just me not knowing what I was doing.  Thirdly, it generally
takes engineering a while to write back.  In my case, I needed to try
getting an answer as quickly as possible.
Finally, is it really a bad thing me calling Apple Accessibility since
I'm a dev?  Does that fulfit my right to ask them questions?
Sorry, but now, I'm very confused.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:* Yuma Decaux mailto:jamy...@gmail.com
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 5:17 PM
*Subject:* Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!

Chris,

I’m not sure what exactly you are trying to achieve in the context
of contacting apple’s general accessibility desk  when you can get
on with the developer program, as you’ve mentioned you have, and
start bug reporting on yosemite’s beta program as some might not
make the switch once it goes public, though this is definetely not
what is recommended as the new OS is mainly focused on performance.

The best method for reporting each of your bugs is to first fill in
the descriptive form offered by feedback assistant, then add an
audio example to demonstrate the issue. Apple’s engineers will
immediately find it very helpful and understand the problem as you
explain the process. The fact that you are sending a feedback form
and not talking to a lower level apple support tech will increase
your chances of having the issue resolved.

Cheers,








On 5/07/2015, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
clgillan...@gmail.com mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

First off, before I say anything, let me start by wishing everyone
a very very! happy, and safe forth.  God bless America!
OK, anyway, here is my concern.  I'd be curious how you all would
a handled this.  I was trying to do something in Yosemite earlier
today.  I can't really go into the specifics of what.  You'll know
why in a second.  Come to find out, this something worked just
fine in Mavericks, but apparently Apple broke Voiceover
accessibility in this one area within Yosemite.  Well, the thing
is, I didn't realize that it had been busted in Yosemite.  I
thought, like mavericks, it still worked, as this isn't exactly
the most common feature in the OS that I've had to access.  The
thing is, I am an Apple developer.  On one of my test machines,
I'm running the developer beta preview of El Capitan.  In El
Capitan, the issue I was facing has been fixed.  I just happened
at the time to be at my Yosemite production machine instead.  So,
I called Apple Accessibility to see if maybe I was missing
something.  It was then determined that this has been broken since
the official first release of Yosemite.
Well, obviously, I'm on NDA, and from what Developer Support has
told me,  most of the senior advisors in the Accessibility
department are not devs, therefore, it is advised not to discuss
with them any of the stuff that is covered under NDA.  This means,
I couldn't exactly say, no big deal, it's fixed in El Capitan.
I'll just wait until it's released, and all will be golden.  The
advisor starts to open a ticket feedback case request to
engineering to figure out if this issue can be fixed in a future
OSX release.  I felt so! bad!  On the one hand, I knew he was
waisting his time doing this, as it has! been fixed, but, yet, I
really couldn't say anything.
This made me really uneasy.  I hate waisting people's time.  So,
what should I have done?  I wound up just letting him create the
ticket, but I feel really bad doing so and bothering engineers
with something which already has been addressed.
Chris.

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calendar

2015-07-04 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
Hello all,
I’m trying to use the calendar and for whatever reason it’s only showing one 
event. I see july, 4, then june (not sure why it shows the previous month, 
maybe it thinks i’d forget)? Can I get rid of that and show all events for a 
day?
Thanks,

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Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!

2015-07-04 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
The reason I called Accessibility was because I am not running the beta of 
Yosemite, only that of El Capitan, therefore, I should be covered with their 
support.  Second off, I didn't know if this was a bug, or if it was just me not 
knowing what I was doing.  Thirdly, it generally takes engineering a while to 
write back.  In my case, I needed to try getting an answer as quickly as 
possible.

Finally, is it really a bad thing me calling Apple Accessibility since I'm a 
dev?  Does that fulfit my right to ask them questions?

Sorry, but now, I'm very confused.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Yuma Decaux 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 5:17 PM
  Subject: Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!


  Chris,


  I’m not sure what exactly you are trying to achieve in the context of 
contacting apple’s general accessibility desk  when you can get on with the 
developer program, as you’ve mentioned you have, and start bug reporting on 
yosemite’s beta program as some might not make the switch once it goes public, 
though this is definetely not what is recommended as the new OS is mainly 
focused on performance.


  The best method for reporting each of your bugs is to first fill in the 
descriptive form offered by feedback assistant, then add an audio example to 
demonstrate the issue. Apple’s engineers will immediately find it very helpful 
and understand the problem as you explain the process. The fact that you are 
sending a feedback form and not talking to a lower level apple support tech 
will increase your chances of having the issue resolved.


  Cheers,














On 5/07/2015, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


First off, before I say anything, let me start by wishing everyone a very 
very! happy, and safe forth.  God bless America!

OK, anyway, here is my concern.  I'd be curious how you all would a handled 
this.  I was trying to do something in Yosemite earlier today.  I can't really 
go into the specifics of what.  You'll know why in a second.  Come to find out, 
this something worked just fine in Mavericks, but apparently Apple broke 
Voiceover accessibility in this one area within Yosemite.  Well, the thing is, 
I didn't realize that it had been busted in Yosemite.  I thought, like 
mavericks, it still worked, as this isn't exactly the most common feature in 
the OS that I've had to access.  The thing is, I am an Apple developer.  On one 
of my test machines, I'm running the developer beta preview of El Capitan.  In 
El Capitan, the issue I was facing has been fixed.  I just happened at the time 
to be at my Yosemite production machine instead.  So, I called Apple 
Accessibility to see if maybe I was missing something.  It was then determined 
that this has been broken since the official first release of Yosemite.

Well, obviously, I'm on NDA, and from what Developer Support has told me,  
most of the senior advisors in the Accessibility department are not devs, 
therefore, it is advised not to discuss with them any of the stuff that is 
covered under NDA.  This means, I couldn't exactly say, no big deal, it's fixed 
in El Capitan.  I'll just wait until it's released, and all will be golden.  
The advisor starts to open a ticket feedback case request to engineering to 
figure out if this issue can be fixed in a future OSX release.  I felt so! bad! 
 On the one hand, I knew he was waisting his time doing this, as it has! been 
fixed, but, yet, I really couldn't say anything.

This made me really uneasy.  I hate waisting people's time.  So, what 
should I have done?  I wound up just letting him create the ticket, but I feel 
really bad doing so and bothering engineers with something which already has 
been addressed.

Chris.


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Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!

2015-07-04 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
The issue is, I have el Capitan on one of my macs.  The mac however which I was 
experiencing the problem with was not on El Capitan.  It's on Yosemite.  Not 
the public beta though.

What I was saying is, I knew that the problem I was facing had been addressed 
in El Capitan, but I was unaware that it had been broken in Yosemite.  So, on 
my Yosemite system, when I couldn't perform the function in question, I called 
Apple Accessibility Support to see if maybe there was something I was missing.  
After trouble shooting on my Yosemite system, it was determined that this was 
an issue which is broken in Yosemite.  i was trying to say, I was put in an 
awquard position because I couldn't really say anything about El Capitan having 
the issue fixed.  For that reason, the rep I spoke with said he was going to 
send a request to engineering to see, in Yosemite, if there was anything we 
missed.

In the back of my head, I knew! the issue already had! been fixed with El 
Capitan, as I don't experience this problem over there.  I was saying, I felt 
really bad that this poor guy spent his time submitting that ticket, when the 
issue already had been addressed in a future release.  I just couldn't say, 
wait, sir, stop.  It's ok, I'll just wait things out.  It's fixed in El 
Capitan.  I just didn't know if you knew a way to do this over here in 
Yosemite.  

Honestly, Had I known in the first place that it wasn't working correctly in 
Yosemite, I never would have called them to start with.  I would have just 
waited things out.  I was more just under the impression that maybe in 
Yosemite, the steps to achieve the process were a little different. I didn't 
realize it indeed was an issue there, and so the reason for my call was to 
ascertain if that was indeed the case.  Was! it really broken, or did I just 
not understand how to do it.  It was only then, through that call that I found 
out this has been an ongoing issue.  By the time I knew this though, the guy 
was already writing up a report to engineering.

Does that make more sense?

Chris.
- Original Message - 
  From: Yuma Decaux 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 5:52 PM
  Subject: Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!


  You mentioned having an issue with Yosemite. Read your own text below:


I'd be curious how you all would a handled this.  I was trying to do 
something in Yosemite earlier today.  I can't really go into the specifics of 
what.  You'll know why in a second


  So I gave you a response in context with yosemite. But now you’re saying 
you’re using el capitan. 


  Where’s the confusion here?


   I’m just giving you some pointers. 






On 5/07/2015, at 7:23 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


The reason I called Accessibility was because I am not running the beta of 
Yosemite, only that of El Capitan, therefore, I should be covered with their 
support.  Second off, I didn't know if this was a bug, or if it was just me not 
knowing what I was doing.  Thirdly, it generally takes engineering a while to 
write back.  In my case, I needed to try getting an answer as quickly as 
possible.

Finally, is it really a bad thing me calling Apple Accessibility since I'm 
a dev?  Does that fulfit my right to ask them questions?

Sorry, but now, I'm very confused.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Yuma Decaux 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 5:17 PM
  Subject: Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!


  Chris,


  I’m not sure what exactly you are trying to achieve in the context of 
contacting apple’s general accessibility desk  when you can get on with the 
developer program, as you’ve mentioned you have, and start bug reporting on 
yosemite’s beta program as some might not make the switch once it goes public, 
though this is definetely not what is recommended as the new OS is mainly 
focused on performance.


  The best method for reporting each of your bugs is to first fill in the 
descriptive form offered by feedback assistant, then add an audio example to 
demonstrate the issue. Apple’s engineers will immediately find it very helpful 
and understand the problem as you explain the process. The fact that you are 
sending a feedback form and not talking to a lower level apple support tech 
will increase your chances of having the issue resolved.


  Cheers,














On 5/07/2015, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


First off, before I say anything, let me start by wishing everyone a 
very very! happy, and safe forth.  God bless America!

OK, anyway, here is my concern.  I'd be curious how you all would a 
handled this.  I was trying to do something in Yosemite earlier today.  I can't 
really go into the specifics of what.  You'll know why in a second.  Come to 
find 

Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!

2015-07-04 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
You do have a point there.  I dono.  I just felt a little bad.  I don't like 
inconveniencing people if I can help it.  You're right though, I reckon.  I 
guess it is there job after all.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!


Chris,
   Let me se if I can put this in a different prrspective.

   Forgetting the devepor angle, assume that Yosemite is still in
development even tho El Capitan may be released in just 2-3 months.
Maybe Apple has no plans to release anything further for Yosemite. Does
not matter.

   If Accessibility is willing to write a ticket, that is fine as it
stheir job. Whether ti goes beyond that is of no importance. You
submitted a bug report, its now Apple's to do whatever they want with it.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 7/4/2015 2:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

The reason I called Accessibility was because I am not running the beta
of Yosemite, only that of El Capitan, therefore, I should be covered
with their support.  Second off, I didn't know if this was a bug, or if
it was just me not knowing what I was doing.  Thirdly, it generally
takes engineering a while to write back.  In my case, I needed to try
getting an answer as quickly as possible.
Finally, is it really a bad thing me calling Apple Accessibility since
I'm a dev?  Does that fulfit my right to ask them questions?
Sorry, but now, I'm very confused.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:* Yuma Decaux mailto:jamy...@gmail.com
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 5:17 PM
*Subject:* Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!

Chris,

I’m not sure what exactly you are trying to achieve in the context
of contacting apple’s general accessibility desk  when you can get
on with the developer program, as you’ve mentioned you have, and
start bug reporting on yosemite’s beta program as some might not
make the switch once it goes public, though this is definetely not
what is recommended as the new OS is mainly focused on performance.

The best method for reporting each of your bugs is to first fill in
the descriptive form offered by feedback assistant, then add an
audio example to demonstrate the issue. Apple’s engineers will
immediately find it very helpful and understand the problem as you
explain the process. The fact that you are sending a feedback form
and not talking to a lower level apple support tech will increase
your chances of having the issue resolved.

Cheers,








On 5/07/2015, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
clgillan...@gmail.com mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

First off, before I say anything, let me start by wishing everyone
a very very! happy, and safe forth.  God bless America!
OK, anyway, here is my concern.  I'd be curious how you all would
a handled this.  I was trying to do something in Yosemite earlier
today.  I can't really go into the specifics of what.  You'll know
why in a second.  Come to find out, this something worked just
fine in Mavericks, but apparently Apple broke Voiceover
accessibility in this one area within Yosemite.  Well, the thing
is, I didn't realize that it had been busted in Yosemite.  I
thought, like mavericks, it still worked, as this isn't exactly
the most common feature in the OS that I've had to access.  The
thing is, I am an Apple developer.  On one of my test machines,
I'm running the developer beta preview of El Capitan.  In El
Capitan, the issue I was facing has been fixed.  I just happened
at the time to be at my Yosemite production machine instead.  So,
I called Apple Accessibility to see if maybe I was missing
something.  It was then determined that this has been broken since
the official first release of Yosemite.
Well, obviously, I'm on NDA, and from what Developer Support has
told me,  most of the senior advisors in the Accessibility
department are not devs, therefore, it is advised not to discuss
with them any of the stuff that is covered under NDA.  This means,
I couldn't exactly say, no big deal, it's fixed in El Capitan.
I'll just wait until it's released, and all will be golden.  The
advisor starts to open a ticket feedback case request to
engineering to figure out if this issue can be fixed in a future
OSX release.  I felt so! bad!  On the one hand, I knew he was
waisting his time doing this, as it has! been fixed, but, yet, I
really couldn't say anything.
This made me really uneasy.  I hate waisting people's time.  So,
what should I have done?  I wound up just letting 

Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!

2015-07-04 Thread Yuma Decaux

If you have an issue on the public release of yosemite, you can very well talk 
about it on this list. But you’re mentioning NDA so there’s no real way to 
figure whether someone can help since we aren’t getting the detail of the issue 
on the public yosemite release. Since this issue is not on el capitan, as you 
mention it, there’s no need to talk about it. But since it’s in a public 
yosemite release, what’s stopping you from talking about it, you dig?

In any case, if you aren’t sure about what you did while talking to Apple 
representatives, maybe you should consider figuring it out for yourself, as 
this is more of an existential or human interaction question you have after 
having done this. Think about it: if you spend a lot of time calling Apple 
instead of just filing a bug report, you’re only getting a potential support 
ticket sent to the engineers. If you report the bug through feedback assistant, 
it goes directly to their bug queuing system, which saves third parties moving 
the issue up the ladder, and will have someone on it, the more similar bug 
reports, the more important it will be flagged as being. I should mention that 
if you’re a developer, you don’t have unlimited direct call services. So you’re 
effectively depleting direct support in case you have a real issue with apps 
you’re developing.

As in for you feeling bad about contacting apple, this is something out of my 
scope of relevance.



 On 5/07/2015, at 8:45 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 The issue is, I have el Capitan on one of my macs.  The mac however which I 
 was experiencing the problem with was not on El Capitan.  It's on Yosemite.  
 Not the public beta though.
  
 What I was saying is, I knew that the problem I was facing had been addressed 
 in El Capitan, but I was unaware that it had been broken in Yosemite.  So, on 
 my Yosemite system, when I couldn't perform the function in question, I 
 called Apple Accessibility Support to see if maybe there was something I was 
 missing.  After trouble shooting on my Yosemite system, it was determined 
 that this was an issue which is broken in Yosemite.  i was trying to say, I 
 was put in an awquard position because I couldn't really say anything about 
 El Capitan having the issue fixed.  For that reason, the rep I spoke with 
 said he was going to send a request to engineering to see, in Yosemite, if 
 there was anything we missed.
  
 In the back of my head, I knew! the issue already had! been fixed with El 
 Capitan, as I don't experience this problem over there.  I was saying, I felt 
 really bad that this poor guy spent his time submitting that ticket, when the 
 issue already had been addressed in a future release.  I just couldn't say, 
 wait, sir, stop.  It's ok, I'll just wait things out.  It's fixed in El 
 Capitan.  I just didn't know if you knew a way to do this over here in 
 Yosemite. 
  
 Honestly, Had I known in the first place that it wasn't working correctly in 
 Yosemite, I never would have called them to start with.  I would have just 
 waited things out.  I was more just under the impression that maybe in 
 Yosemite, the steps to achieve the process were a little different. I didn't 
 realize it indeed was an issue there, and so the reason for my call was to 
 ascertain if that was indeed the case.  Was! it really broken, or did I just 
 not understand how to do it.  It was only then, through that call that I 
 found out this has been an ongoing issue.  By the time I knew this  though, 
 the guy was already writing up a report to engineering.
  
 Does that make more sense?
  
 Chris.
 - Original Message -
 From: Yuma Decaux mailto:jamy...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 5:52 PM
 Subject: Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!
 
 You mentioned having an issue with Yosemite. Read your own text below:
 
 I'd be curious how you all would a handled this.  I was trying to do 
 something in Yosemite earlier today.  I can't really go into the 
 specifics of what.  You'll know why in a second
 
 So I gave you a response in context with yosemite. But now you’re saying 
 you’re using el capitan. 
 
 Where’s the confusion here?
 
  I’m just giving you some pointers. 
 
 
 
 On 5/07/2015, at 7:23 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The reason I called Accessibility was because I am not running the beta of 
 Yosemite, only that of El Capitan, therefore, I should be covered with 
 their support.  Second off, I didn't know if this was a bug, or if it was 
 just me not knowing what I was doing.  Thirdly, it generally takes 
 engineering a while to write back.  In my case, I needed to try getting an 
 answer as quickly as possible.
  
 Finally, is it really a bad thing me calling Apple Accessibility since I'm 
 a dev?  Does that fulfit my right to ask them questions?
  

Re: Urgent! Need to know how to export an iTunes playlist

2015-07-04 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
I can't test this, but how about creating a CD burn drive on disk utility. And 
then burning the tracklist to the CD.


Jonathan Cohn 

 On Jul 4, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Select the Playlist you wish to export, go up to the File menu, down to 
 Library, right and down to Export Playlist.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jul 4, 2015, at 08:42, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I need the songs and their order on a USB thumb drive. I have not done this 
 in a long time and have forgotten how it is done.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Kristeen
 
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Re: Downloading from Apple Music library

2015-07-04 Thread Donna Goodin
The one issue I would take with Chris's post, is that owning a copy of a 
song/book/movie, etc. isn't the same as owning the copyright, so that analogy 
just doesn't hold.  All I want is the option to own my copy free and clear.  If 
I go to BN and buy a book, that book is mine.  I can take it on vacation, read 
it to my kid, display it on my desk, etc.  If I buy a music track, I want the 
same thing.  If I want it on a different device or a CD, I want to be able to 
put it there.  That's very different from the type of things that a copyright 
allows you to do.  I don't need to be able to sell it to a television network 
for use in a commercial.  I just want free movement of that one copy that I 
have purchased.  So yes, if I buy the song, I should have the right to freely 
manipulate the song so long as it is for my own personal use.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Apple Music or with the myriad of 
other similar services.  In fact, I've been kind of surprised by all the hoopla 
it has received on this list.  There's really nothing novel about it.  Apple's 
just gotten their hands into the streaming market along with Sirius/XM, 
Spotify, and a host of others.  We subscribe to Sirius, and quite enjoy it.  
However, when Apple starts mucking around with my rights regarding music I have 
legitimately purchased, then I do take issue.

 On Jul 4, 2015, at 2:18 AM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Great post. Cheers!
 
 
 Visit my groups:
 
 The Chat Zone
 the-chat-zone+subscr...@groups.io
 The Tech Zone
 the-tech-zone+subscr...@groups.io
 Apple Music
 apple-music+subscr...@groups.io
 
 
 
 
 
 On 3 Jul 2015, at 23:44, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Actually,
 
 Let's be very clear here.  I actually love the openness you get with 
 Android.  In fact, in some ways, I like it a bit more than Apple.  this 
 however said, the way I see it is like this:  Apple is great for some 
 things, and Android is good for others.
 
 I actually think it's awesome how Apple did their whole thing with Apple 
 Music legistically.  Think about it this way.
 
 You've heard about this new band who is hot on the radio.  They're not 
 typically your style, but you're willing to have an open mind.  So, what do 
 you do?  You go find them in ITunes, and you stream the album totally for 
 free.  You can do it unlimited amount a times, 1 time a day, or 10 thousand! 
 times a day.  OK, fine, smart alak, you can't get 1 plays in one day, 
 but you get my point.  Point being, you're never! never never ever ever 
 obligated or require to buy it.  If you like it enough, and feel it is worth 
 it, and you really want to support the artist, and you really want to buy 
 the album, then buy it!  What if an album goes out of print before you have 
 that chance?  Well, that's justa risk you take.  Most things though don't go 
 out of print unless there's a really good reason for it, so that really 
 isn't a completely logical excuse.  It kind of is, I'll admit, but not 
 really.
 
 I see both sides of this.  I know that people want to own their music, but 
 think of it this way.  Technically, you don't own the music anyway.  You 
 don't own the copy rights on it, do ya?  So, technically speaking, I know 
 this is going on a major stretch, but is it really your's?  No, it's not.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:37 PM
 Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
 
 
 May I kindly therefore suggest you leave the Apple ecosystem and go with a 
 system like Android or Windows? When you buy an Apple product, you have to 
 agree to their terms and be in their ecosystem. Don't like it? Don't agree 
 to their terms, sell or return your Apple products and go for a more open 
 platform. Chris, myself and others, even my friend of ten years this 
 October, love Apple very much and will always stick by them. Sorry, I just 
 can't understand the complaints of such a new service and the ecosystem 
 altogether, especially if they themselves are on an Apple list. Just my 
 £0.02 worth.
 
 
 Visit my groups:
 
 The Chat Zone
 the-chat-zone+subscr...@groups.io
 The Tech Zone
 the-tech-zone+subscr...@groups.io
 Apple Music
 apple-music+subscr...@groups.io
 
 
 
 
 
 On 3 Jul 2015, at 22:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I suppose next, you're going to tell us how to get a copy of jaws totally 
 for free illegally!  Oh, come on!  It won't hurt to steel from the company! 
 Rauight!  Smirk?
 
 Never mind my major! sarcasm.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:35 AM
 Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
 
 
 +1.
 I've tried cracking the DRM with stuff like Sound Taxi with no luck.
 They've apparently 

Re: Downloading from Apple Music library

2015-07-04 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

You wrote:

The one issue I would take with Chris's post, is that owning a copy of a 
song/book/movie, etc. isn't the same as owning the copyright... snip...


I did, say it was going out a bit of a stretch, did I not?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2015 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library


The one issue I would take with Chris's post, is that owning a copy of a 
song/book/movie, etc. isn't the same as owning the copyright, so that 
analogy just doesn't hold.  All I want is the option to own my copy free and 
clear.  If I go to BN and buy a book, that book is mine.  I can take it on 
vacation, read it to my kid, display it on my desk, etc.  If I buy a music 
track, I want the same thing.  If I want it on a different device or a CD, I 
want to be able to put it there.  That's very different from the type of 
things that a copyright allows you to do.  I don't need to be able to sell 
it to a television network for use in a commercial.  I just want free 
movement of that one copy that I have purchased.  So yes, if I buy the song, 
I should have the right to freely manipulate the song so long as it is for 
my own personal use.


I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Apple Music or with the myriad of 
other similar services.  In fact, I've been kind of surprised by all the 
hoopla it has received on this list.  There's really nothing novel about it. 
Apple's just gotten their hands into the streaming market along with 
Sirius/XM, Spotify, and a host of others.  We subscribe to Sirius, and quite 
enjoy it.  However, when Apple starts mucking around with my rights 
regarding music I have legitimately purchased, then I do take issue.


On Jul 4, 2015, at 2:18 AM, christopher hallsworth 
challswor...@icloud.com wrote:


Great post. Cheers!


Visit my groups:

The Chat Zone
the-chat-zone+subscr...@groups.io
The Tech Zone
the-tech-zone+subscr...@groups.io
Apple Music
apple-music+subscr...@groups.io





On 3 Jul 2015, at 23:44, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Actually,

Let's be very clear here.  I actually love the openness you get with 
Android.  In fact, in some ways, I like it a bit more than Apple.  this 
however said, the way I see it is like this:  Apple is great for some 
things, and Android is good for others.


I actually think it's awesome how Apple did their whole thing with Apple 
Music legistically.  Think about it this way.


You've heard about this new band who is hot on the radio.  They're not 
typically your style, but you're willing to have an open mind.  So, what 
do you do?  You go find them in ITunes, and you stream the album totally 
for free.  You can do it unlimited amount a times, 1 time a day, or 10 
thousand! times a day.  OK, fine, smart alak, you can't get 1 plays 
in one day, but you get my point.  Point being, you're never! never never 
ever ever obligated or require to buy it.  If you like it enough, and 
feel it is worth it, and you really want to support the artist, and you 
really want to buy the album, then buy it!  What if an album goes out of 
print before you have that chance?  Well, that's justa risk you take. 
Most things though don't go out of print unless there's a really good 
reason for it, so that really isn't a completely logical excuse.  It kind 
of is, I'll admit, but not really.


I see both sides of this.  I know that people want to own their music, 
but think of it this way.  Technically, you don't own the music anyway. 
You don't own the copy rights on it, do ya?  So, technically speaking, I 
know this is going on a major stretch, but is it really your's?  No, it's 
not.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth 
challswor...@icloud.com

To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library


May I kindly therefore suggest you leave the Apple ecosystem and go with 
a system like Android or Windows? When you buy an Apple product, you have 
to agree to their terms and be in their ecosystem. Don't like it? Don't 
agree to their terms, sell or return your Apple products and go for a 
more open platform. Chris, myself and others, even my friend of ten years 
this October, love Apple very much and will always stick by them. Sorry, 
I just can't understand the complaints of such a new service and the 
ecosystem altogether, especially if they themselves are on an Apple list. 
Just my £0.02 worth.



Visit my groups:

The Chat Zone
the-chat-zone+subscr...@groups.io
The Tech Zone
the-tech-zone+subscr...@groups.io
Apple Music
apple-music+subscr...@groups.io





On 3 Jul 2015, at 22:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


I suppose next, you're going to tell us how to get a copy of jaws 
totally for free illegally!  Oh, come on!  It won't hurt to steel from 
the company! Rauight!