RE: Choosing a Mac, getting started

[Simon Fogarty]

I’ve never had any luck converting iworks files to Office files unless they are 
saved in an RTF format or txt

But yes it could be done if need be.

 I still prefer by choice to use office on a windows machine but pages numbers 
and keynote are there and very useable

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 4:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Choosing a Mac, getting started

Are you saying you can do everything you need to with Apple's iWorksSuite? If 
so, I presume you could do that, and simply convert your necessary 
documents/files from Apple's iWorksSuite to its equivalent MicrosoftOfficeSuite 
if you catch my drift



At 06:15 PM 1/2/2016, you wrote:

The other thing to be aware with re MS Office and iWorks is that iWorks comes 
free with the apple products  be they Mac OSX computers or IOS devices.
Microsoft office for the mac or IOS devices will cost you money,

If it wasn’t for the organisation I work for using MS products as their 
primary office suite and messaging system.
I’d be using iWorks and with iCloud drive everything is available on all 
devices, although with MS One Drive the same goes for Office 365
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 3:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

MayBe if You FEEL that way, either You OR MikeA OR JohnathanM should consider 
doing PodCasts demonstrating such or MayBe Johnathan could Compose some 
Tutorials-Guides, which HighLight AccessibilityBenefits of Apple's iWorksSuite 
Versus Microsoft's OfficeSuite

If it's SoEasy & MoreAccessible Why aren't TotallyBlind & LowVision users of 
Apple's OSX using it PrimarilySince you can ConFigure Apple's iWorksSuite to 
Resemble Microsoft's OfficeSuite
At 05:50 AM 1/2/2016, you wrote:
I would agree, pages and the Apple products are generally more accessible.  
Microsoft has put work in to office 2016 however and has made big improvements. 
 I use outlook on the Mac now daily for work and it̢۪s very good.  Still, 
pages s and numbers etc seem to flow better and a bit more accessible but 
that’s my opinion.  Not sure if itâ€â¢â‚¬â„¢s worth a podcast or something 
people just need to try for them selves.

On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Robin 
mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net> > wrote:
Your a Mac enthusiast, so 
Why don't you Compare-Contrast Apple iWorks Versus Microsoft's Office ON OSX 
(MacOSX)?
Don't TalkTheTalk WalkTheWalk
I'm PrettySure  other MacListers would also BeInterested IN a PodCast of 
ThisNature
At 07:41 AM 12/31/2015, you wrote:
While 4 GB of memory will work, go with 8 if you can afford it, it can only 
help you. You will probably find that pages offers better acccessibility than 
Microsoft Office at this point, I think you will enjoy the mac experience.
Original message:
I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using
the Mac and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have
been exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input
anyone may have before I buy one.

My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how
the OS works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to
audio files, and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple
Script, Python, and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does
VoiceOver work well in the terminal?

I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual
machine, and am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.

Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows
screen reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position
of the cursor so that I could tell how far down on the page the text
was, and make sure text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer
this kind of feedback in either Pages or Microsoft Office?

I'm mainly considering the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, or Macbook.  From
reading Apple's OS X requirements, many 2012 or newer models of the Mac
Mini are supported.  If I go with a Macbook Air or Macbook, I may go for
a newer machine to maximize its battery life since the battery isn't
easily replaceable.  Would I be ok with getting a Mac Mini from 2012 or
newer if I decide to go with one of those, instead of buying the latest
model, or are there any drawbacks from an accessibility standpoint?

How valuable is it to have a numeric pad?  I understand VoiceOver has a
numpad commander that can be used to assign keyboard commands.  Would it
be worth considering an external Apple keyboard with a numeric pad if I
buy a laptop without one?  How about a trackpad, if I choose a Mac Mini
without one built in?

One of the things I am excited abou

RE: getting speech back on macBook air?

[Simon Fogarty]

I know with any of the macs I use VO starts up automatically when I either 
restart or shutdown and restart the machine.

There is an option under users and groups with system preferences that will 
allow you to start it up but you shouldn’t need it.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Tanner
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 4:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO will 
come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem turning 
VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I shut down 
the computer, it does not boot up automatically.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.


On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Adam
You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
I have vo starting before the password prompt

I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to the 
log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.

From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Adam Morris
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?

Hi all,
I've just purchased a second hand mac.
I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.

It is running OS10 but not the latest.
When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
This screen doesn't speak.
Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and press 
enter I get the error sound.
I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?




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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the BlueTooth 
> routing.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> To me too.
>> 
>> When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
>> would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just by 
>> their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your watch. 
>> So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come in, you 
>> gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a little 
>> privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta take those 
>> off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
>> 
>> Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
>> multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
>> 
>> In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would pair 
>> the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead of 
>> hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
>>> 
>>> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
>>> session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?
>>> 
>>> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 Yup,
 
 Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
 limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
 already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
 defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
 relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off 
 like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
 
 In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
 
 Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch 
 via bt headset? Not happening.
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to 
> iPhone, but are not on Watch?
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
> replicate.
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
>> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
>> routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
>> 
>> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
>> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
>> 
>> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
>> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
>> 
>> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
>> 
>> Thanks.
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Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

[Mary Otten]

Hello all,
Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have purchased 
them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck navigating the 
specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there. Neither book is 
readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the ridiculous 
non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a list of you, and 
double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get anything intelligible. I 
get random letters and voiceover saying "background image" background image" 
background image" ad infinitum. It has been a while since I have purchased a 
cookbook. And if this is how they're all going to be, it's going to be a lot 
longer before I waste anymore money on Apple's books. Have others had similar 
problems? I wrote Apple accessibility. And I suppose they're probably going to 
send me off to some damned link that will have six other links that I will have 
to follow and eventually get nowhere, which is what happened to me the last 
time they sent me on a wild goose chase after an iTunes problem. I hope not, 
since this is clearly an excess ability problem, so they ought to go to bat and 
number one, figure out what causes it and fix it and also help out with 
refunds. But I really am curious if others are having this problem.
Mary


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Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

[David Chittenden]

Yes, you are correct. And, each of the Apple Office programs for the Mac is 
$20; at least when I purchased them in 2012. That is a little less expensive 
than MS Office programs.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 15:29, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi. I have to correct you about something. iWork only comes free on Macs that 
> were purchased in 2012 or later. If you bought your Mac in 2010 like I did or 
> 2011, you still have to buy each program in the iWork suite.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> The other thing to be aware with re MS Office and iWorks is that iWorks 
>> comes free with the apple products  be they Mac OSX computers or IOS devices.
>> Microsoft office for the mac or IOS devices will cost you money,
>>  
>> If it wasn’t for the organisation I work for using MS products as their 
>> primary office suite and messaging system.
>> I’d be using iWorks and with iCloud drive everything is available on all 
>> devices, although with MS One Drive the same goes for Office 365 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
>> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 3:08 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started
>>  
>> MayBe if You FEEL that way, either You OR MikeA OR JohnathanM should 
>> consider doing PodCasts demonstrating such or MayBe Johnathan could Compose 
>> some Tutorials-Guides, which HighLight AccessibilityBenefits of Apple's 
>> iWorksSuite Versus Microsoft's OfficeSuite
>> 
>> If it's SoEasy & MoreAccessible Why aren't TotallyBlind & LowVision users of 
>> Apple's OSX using it PrimarilySince you can ConFigure Apple's iWorksSuite to 
>> Resemble Microsoft's OfficeSuite 
>> At 05:50 AM 1/2/2016, you wrote:
>> 
>> I would agree, pages and the Apple products are generally more accessible.  
>> Microsoft has put work in to office 2016 however and has made big 
>> improvements.  I use outlook on the Mac now daily for work and it’s very 
>> good.  Still, pages and numbers etc seem to flow better and a bit more 
>> accessible but that’s my opinion.  Not sure if it’s worth a podcast or 
>> something people just need to try for them selves.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> Your a Mac enthusiast, so Why don't you Compare-Contrast Apple iWorks Versus 
>> Microsoft's Office ON OSX (MacOSX)? 
>> 
>> Don't TalkTheTalk WalkTheWalk 
>> 
>> I'm PrettySure  other MacListers would also BeInterested IN a PodCast of 
>> ThisNature 
>> 
>> At 07:41 AM 12/31/2015, you wrote:
>> 
>> While 4 GB of memory will work, go with 8 if you can afford it, it can only 
>> help you. You will probably find that pages offers better acccessibility 
>> than Microsoft Office at this point, I think you will enjoy the mac 
>> experience.
>> Original message:
>> 
>> I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using
>> the Mac and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have
>> been exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input
>> anyone may have before I buy one.
>> 
>> 
>> My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how
>> the OS works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to
>> audio files, and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple
>> Script, Python, and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does
>> VoiceOver work well in the terminal?
>> 
>> 
>> I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual
>> machine, and am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.
>> 
>> 
>> Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows
>> screen reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position
>> of the cursor so that I could tell how far down on the page the text
>> was, and make sure text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer
>> this kind of feedback in either Pages or Microsoft Office?
>> 
>> 
>> I'm mainly considering the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, or Macbook.  From
>> reading Apple's OS X requirements, many 2012 or newer models of the Mac
>> Mini are supported.  If I go with a Macbook Air or Macbook, I may go for
>> a newer machine to maximize its battery life since the battery isn't
>> easily replaceable.  Would I be ok with getting a Mac Mini from 2012 or
>> newer if I decide to go with one of those, instead of buying the latest
>> model, or are there any drawbacks from an accessibility standpoint?
>> 
>> 
>> How valuable is it to have a numeric pad?  I understand VoiceOver has a
>> numpad commander that can be used to assign keyboard commands.  Would it
>> be worth considering an external Apple keyboard with a numeric pad if I
>> buy a lapt

Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Yes, that's what I said before. I didn't include the iPhone because I thought 
we were only talking about the Mac apps.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 11:37 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Correction:
> If you Purchased an Apple iPhone6 OR iPhone6+ IN 2013(September2013) & I 
> presume Every iPhoneToFollow, you would have Received Apple's iWorksSuite for 
> FREE
> 
> And, I presume this would include Apple's iPads AsWell
> 
> OfCourse, if you purchased a NEW MacOSX, I also presume you will also acquire 
> Apple's iWorksSuite 
> At 09:29 PM 1/2/2016, you wrote:
>> Hi. I have to correct you about something. iWork only comes free on Macs 
>> that were purchased in 2012 or later. If you bought your Mac in 2010 like I 
>> did or 2011, you still have to buy each program in the iWork suite.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The other thing to be aware with re MS Office and iWorks is that iWorks 
>>> comes free with the apple products  be they Mac OSX computers or IOS 
>>> devices.
>>> Microsoft office for the mac or IOS devices will cost you money,
>>>  
>>> If it wasn’t for the organisation I work for using MS products as their 
>>> primary office suite and messaging system.
>>> I’d be using iWorks and with iCloud drive everything is available on all 
>>> devices, although with MS One Drive the same goes for Office 365 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  [ 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Robin
>>> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 3:08 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started
>>>  
>>> MayBe if You FEEL that way, either You OR MikeA OR JohnathanM should 
>>> consider doing PodCasts demonstrating such or MayBe Johnathan could Compose 
>>> some Tutorials-Guides, which HighLight AccessibilityBenefits of Apple's 
>>> iWorksSuite Versus Microsoft's OfficeSuite
>>> 
>>> If it's SoEasy & MoreAccessible Why aren't TotallyBlind & LowVision users 
>>> of Apple's OSX using it PrimarilySince you can ConFigure Apple's 
>>> iWorksSuite to Resemble Microsoft's OfficeSuite 
>>> At 05:50 AM 1/2/2016, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would agree, pages and the Apple products are generally more accessible.  
>>> Microsoft has put work in to office 2016 however and has made big 
>>> improvements.  I use outlook on the Mac now daily for work and it̢۪s very 
>>> good.  Still, pages and numbers etc tc seem to flow better and a bit more 
>>> accessible but thatâ€â„„¢s my opinion.  Not sure if it’s worth a 
>>> podcodcast or something people just need to try for them selves.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Robin >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your a Mac enthusias 
>>> t, so Why don't you 
>>> Compare-Contrast Apple iWorks Versus Microsoft's Office ON OSX (MacOSX)? 
>>> 
>>> Don't TalkTheTalk WalkTheWalk 
>>> 
>>> I'm PrettySure  other MacListers would also BeInterested IN a PodCast of 
>>> ThisNature 
>>> 
>>> At 07:41 AM 12/31/2015, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> While 4 GB of memory will work, go with 8 if you can afford it, it can only 
>>> help you. You will probably find that pages offers better acccessibility 
>>> than Microsoft Office at this point, I think you will enjoy the mac 
>>> experience.
>>> Original message:
>>> 
>>> I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using
>>> the Mac and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have
>>> been exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input
>>> anyone may have before I buy one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how
>>> the OS works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to
>>> audio files, and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple
>>> Script, Python, and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does
>>> VoiceOver work well in the terminal?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual
>>> machine, and am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows
>>> screen reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position
>>> of the cursor so that I could tell how far down on the page the text
>>> was, and make sure text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer
>>> this kind of feedback in either Pages or

Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

[Robin]

Correction:
If you Purchased an Apple iPhone6 OR iPhone6+ IN 
2013(September2013) & I presume Every 
iPhoneToFollow, you would have Received Apple's iWorksSuite for FREE


And, I presume this would include Apple's iPads AsWell

OfCourse, if you purchased a NEW MacOSX, I also 
presume you will also acquire Apple's iWorksSuite

At 09:29 PM 1/2/2016, you wrote:
Hi. I have to correct you about something. iWork 
only comes free on Macs that were purchased in 
2012 or later. If you bought your Mac in 2010 
like I did or 2011, you still have to buy each program in the iWork suite.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:


The other thing to be aware with re MS Office 
and iWorks is that iWorks comes free with the 
apple products  be they Mac OSX computers or IOS devices.

Microsoft office for the mac or IOS devices will cost you money,

If it wasn’t for the organisation I work for 
using MS products as their primary office suite and messaging system.
I’d be using iWorks and with iCloud drive 
everything is available on all devices, 
although with MS One Drive the same goes for Office 365
From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Robin

Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 3:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

MayBe if You FEEL that way, either You OR MikeA 
OR JohnathanM should consider doing PodCasts 
demonstrating such or MayBe Johnathan could 
Compose some Tutorials-Guides, which HighLight 
AccessibilityBenefits of Apple's iWorksSuite Versus Microsoft's OfficeSuite


If it's SoEasy & MoreAccessible Why aren't 
TotallyBlind & LowVision users of Apple's OSX 
using it PrimarilySince you can ConFigure 
Apple's iWorksSuite to Resemble Microsoft's OfficeSuite

At 05:50 AM 1/2/2016, you wrote:

I would agree, pages and the Apple products are 
generally more accessible.  Microsoft has put 
work in to office 2016 however and has made big 
improvements.  I use outlook on the Mac now 
daily for work and it̢۪s very good.  Still, 
pages and numbers etc tc seem to flow better 
and a bit more accessible but thatâ€â„„¢s my 
opinion.  Not sure if it̢۪s worth a 
podcodcast or something people just need to try for them selves.



On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Robin 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net > wrote:


Your a 
Mac 
enthusiast, so Why don't you Compare-Contrast 
Apple iWorks Versus Microsoft's Office ON OSX (MacOSX)?


Don't TalkTheTalk WalkTheWalk

I'm PrettySure  other MacListers would also 
BeInterested IN a PodCast of ThisNature


At 07:41 AM 12/31/2015, you wrote:

While 4 GB of memory will work, go with 8 if 
you can afford it, it can only help you. You 
will probably find that pages offers better 
acccessibility than Microsoft Office at this 
point, I think you will enjoy the mac experience.

Original message:

I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using
the Mac and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have
been exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input
anyone may have before I buy one.



My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how
the OS works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to
audio files, and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple
Script, Python, and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does
VoiceOver work well in the terminal?



I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual
machine, and am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.



Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows
screen reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position
of the cursor so that I could tell how far down on the page the text
was, and make sure text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer
this kind of feedback in either Pages or Microsoft Office?



I'm mainly considering the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, or Macbook.  From
reading Apple's OS X requirements, many 2012 or newer models of the Mac
Mini are supported.  If I go with a Macbook Air or Macbook, I may go for
a newer machine to maximize its battery life since the battery isn't
easily replaceable.  Would I be ok with getting a Mac Mini from 2012 or
newer if I decide to go with one of those, instead of buying the latest
model, or are there any drawbacks from an accessibility standpoint?



How valuable is it to have a numeric pad?  I understand VoiceOver has a
numpad commander that can be used to assign keyboard commands.  Wou

Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi. I have to correct you about something. iWork only comes free on Macs that 
were purchased in 2012 or later. If you bought your Mac in 2010 like I did or 
2011, you still have to buy each program in the iWork suite.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> The other thing to be aware with re MS Office and iWorks is that iWorks comes 
> free with the apple products  be they Mac OSX computers or IOS devices.
> Microsoft office for the mac or IOS devices will cost you money,
>  
> If it wasn’t for the organisation I work for using MS products as their 
> primary office suite and messaging system.
> I’d be using iWorks and with iCloud drive everything is available on all 
> devices, although with MS One Drive the same goes for Office 365 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 3:08 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started
>  
> MayBe if You FEEL that way, either You OR MikeA OR JohnathanM should consider 
> doing PodCasts demonstrating such or MayBe Johnathan could Compose some 
> Tutorials-Guides, which HighLight AccessibilityBenefits of Apple's 
> iWorksSuite Versus Microsoft's OfficeSuite
> 
> If it's SoEasy & MoreAccessible Why aren't TotallyBlind & LowVision users of 
> Apple's OSX using it PrimarilySince you can ConFigure Apple's iWorksSuite to 
> Resemble Microsoft's OfficeSuite 
> At 05:50 AM 1/2/2016, you wrote:
> 
> I would agree, pages and the Apple products are generally more accessible.  
> Microsoft has put work in to office 2016 however and has made big 
> improvements.  I use outlook on the Mac now daily for work and it’s very 
> good.  Still, pages and numbers etc seem to flow better and a bit more 
> accessible but that’s my opinion.  Not sure if it’s worth a podcast or 
> something people just need to try for them selves.
> 
> 
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Robin   > wrote:
> 
> Your a Mac enthusias t, 
> so Why don't you Compare-Contrast Apple iWorks Versus Microsoft's Office ON 
> OSX (MacOSX)? 
> 
> Don't TalkTheTalk WalkTheWalk 
> 
> I'm PrettySure  other MacListers would also BeInterested IN a PodCast of 
> ThisNature 
> 
> At 07:41 AM 12/31/2015, you wrote:
> 
> While 4 GB of memory will work, go with 8 if you can afford it, it can only 
> help you. You will probably find that pages offers better acccessibility than 
> Microsoft Office at this point, I think you will enjoy the mac experience.
> Original message:
> 
> I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using
> the Mac and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have
> been exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input
> anyone may have before I buy one.
> 
> 
> My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how
> the OS works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to
> audio files, and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple
> Script, Python, and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does
> VoiceOver work well in the terminal?
> 
> 
> I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual
> machine, and am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.
> 
> 
> Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows
> screen reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position
> of the cursor so that I could tell how far down on the page the text
> was, and make sure text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer
> this kind of feedback in either Pages or Microsoft Office?
> 
> 
> I'm mainly considering the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, or Macbook.  From
> reading Apple's OS X requirements, many 2012 or newer models of the Mac
> Mini are supported.  If I go with a Macbook Air or Macbook, I may go for
> a newer machine to maximize its battery life since the battery isn't
> easily replaceable.  Would I be ok with getting a Mac Mini from 2012 or
> newer if I decide to go with one of those, instead of buying the latest
> model, or are there any drawbacks from an accessibility standpoint?
> 
> 
> How valuable is it to have a numeric pad?  I understand VoiceOver has a
> numpad commander that can be used to assign keyboard commands.  Would it
> be worth considering an external Apple keyboard with a numeric pad if I
> buy a laptop without one?  How about a trackpad, if I choose a Mac Mini
> without one built in?
> 
> 
> One of the things I am excited about is access to the recovery software,
> and being able to easily create and run Mac OS from an external hard
> drive or flash drive for troubleshooting or as a second system for
> experimenting.  Can I use an existing external ha

Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[Ray Foret Jr]

No prob at all.  Glad to help.  This list was extremely helpful to me when I 
first started with my Mac way back in November of 2009.  To this very day, it 
remains one of my most favorite lists.


!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:51 PM, David Tanner  wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much! Your directions were right on the mark and I now have it 
> working great, and even changed the choice for the login screen.  
> 
> Your help is greatly appreciated.
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Ray Foret Jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> 1.
>> 
>> Open system preferences.
>> 
>> 2.  Tab or get to the table of preferences options.  fastest way is to tab 
>> there.  Then, press U for users and groups.  Press space here.
>> 
>> 3.  Now, just to the right of the tool bar, you will notice five groups of 
>> options which you should interact with.  Within this group, you want to 
>> select log in options.
>> 
>> 4.  Now, at this point, most of the chages you make here will need your 
>> administrative access password because you need to unlock the security for 
>> these items.  Within this group, you will note a check box which says "use 
>> Voice OVer at log in"  By default, this box will be unchecked.  You cannot 
>> check it until you unlock the administrative security which allows this 
>> change.  To unlock it, VO right all the way over and you'll notice an item 
>> which says, "click the lock to make changes"  Do this, and you will be 
>> prompted for your Mac administrative password.  Enter it, and press return.  
>> Now, you can check to use Voice OVer at log in.  Once you are done here, you 
>> most likely will want to click on the lock to prevent further  changes.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> 
>> !
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:17 PM, David Tanner >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO 
>>> will come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem 
>>> turning VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I 
>>> shut down the computer, it does not boot up automatically.
>>> 
>>> Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Adam
 You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
 I have vo starting before the password prompt
  
 I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior 
 to the log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  ] On Behalf Of Adam Morris
 Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?
  
 Hi all,
 I've just purchased a second hand mac.
 I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
 
 It is running OS10 but not the latest.
 When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
 This screen doesn't speak.
 Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
 press enter I get the error sound.
 I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in 
 and uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
 Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
 
 
 -- 
  
  
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 email:
 a...@damorris.com 
  
  

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Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[David Tanner]

Thank you very much! Your directions were right on the mark and I now have it 
working great, and even changed the choice for the login screen.  

Your help is greatly appreciated.

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> 1.
> 
> Open system preferences.
> 
> 2.  Tab or get to the table of preferences options.  fastest way is to tab 
> there.  Then, press U for users and groups.  Press space here.
> 
> 3.  Now, just to the right of the tool bar, you will notice five groups of 
> options which you should interact with.  Within this group, you want to 
> select log in options.
> 
> 4.  Now, at this point, most of the chages you make here will need your 
> administrative access password because you need to unlock the security for 
> these items.  Within this group, you will note a check box which says "use 
> Voice OVer at log in"  By default, this box will be unchecked.  You cannot 
> check it until you unlock the administrative security which allows this 
> change.  To unlock it, VO right all the way over and you'll notice an item 
> which says, "click the lock to make changes"  Do this, and you will be 
> prompted for your Mac administrative password.  Enter it, and press return.  
> Now, you can check to use Voice OVer at log in.  Once you are done here, you 
> most likely will want to click on the lock to prevent further  changes.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:17 PM, David Tanner > > wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO 
>> will come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem 
>> turning VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I 
>> shut down the computer, it does not boot up automatically.
>> 
>> Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Adam
>>> You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
>>> I have vo starting before the password prompt
>>>  
>>> I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to 
>>> the log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  ] On Behalf Of Adam Morris
>>> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>> I've just purchased a second hand mac.
>>> I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
>>> 
>>> It is running OS10 but not the latest.
>>> When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
>>> This screen doesn't speak.
>>> Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
>>> press enter I get the error sound.
>>> I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in 
>>> and uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
>>> Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Adam Morris
>>>  
>>> email:
>>> a...@damorris.com 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
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Re: Apple watch and multiple devices.

[David Chittenden]

One can put up to 2 GB of music on the Apple Watch for use when the iPhone is 
not nearby (such as out running). Also, Apple Watch can pair with BlueTooth 
hadset for same situation. However, when with iPhone, iPhone is BlueTooth 
master for both Apple Watch and headset. In other words, both watch and headset 
are adjunct devices to iPhone.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 13:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> As far as I know, ricardo is correct.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" 
> To: "Macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple watch and multiple devices.
> 
> 
> Hmm,
> 
> I don’t think the situation you posed is possible actually. Your watch can 
> only be paired to one IOS device at a time. And to my knowledge, that device 
> has to be an iPhone. So your watch can only control music being played from 
> the phone witch it is paired.
> 
> hth.
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Ok, this might be an odd question.
>> If i have my iPhone paired to my apple watch and then pair the watch with my 
>> IPad Mini, when i want to play music from the apple watch or use the music 
>> app there how would i know what the device the watch will play it through?
>> /A
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Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[Ray Foret Jr]

1.

Open system preferences.

2.  Tab or get to the table of preferences options.  fastest way is to tab 
there.  Then, press U for users and groups.  Press space here.

3.  Now, just to the right of the tool bar, you will notice five groups of 
options which you should interact with.  Within this group, you want to select 
log in options.

4.  Now, at this point, most of the chages you make here will need your 
administrative access password because you need to unlock the security for 
these items.  Within this group, you will note a check box which says "use 
Voice OVer at log in"  By default, this box will be unchecked.  You cannot 
check it until you unlock the administrative security which allows this change. 
 To unlock it, VO right all the way over and you'll notice an item which says, 
"click the lock to make changes"  Do this, and you will be prompted for your 
Mac administrative password.  Enter it, and press return.  Now, you can check 
to use Voice OVer at log in.  Once you are done here, you most likely will want 
to click on the lock to prevent further  changes.

HTH.


!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:17 PM, David Tanner  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO 
> will come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem 
> turning VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I 
> shut down the computer, it does not boot up automatically.
> 
> Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Adam
>> You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
>> I have vo starting before the password prompt
>>  
>> I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to 
>> the log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of Adam Morris
>> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> I've just purchased a second hand mac.
>> I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
>> 
>> It is running OS10 but not the latest.
>> When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
>> This screen doesn't speak.
>> Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
>> press enter I get the error sound.
>> I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in 
>> and uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
>> Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>>  
>>  
>> Adam Morris
>>  
>> email:
>> a...@damorris.com 
>>  
>>  
>>
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RE: Choosing a Mac, getting started

[Robin]

Are you saying you can do everything you need to 
with Apple's iWorksSuite? If so, I presume you 
could do that, and simply convert your necessary 
documents/files from Apple's iWorksSuite to its 
equivalent MicrosoftOfficeSuite if you catch my drift




At 06:15 PM 1/2/2016, you wrote:
The other thing to be aware with re MS Office 
and iWorks is that iWorks comes free with the 
apple products  be they Mac OSX computers or IOS devices.

Microsoft office for the mac or IOS devices will cost you money,

If it wasn’t for the organisation I work for 
using MS products as their primary office suite and messaging system.
I’d be using iWorks and with iCloud drive 
everything is available on all devices, although 
with MS One Drive the same goes for Office 365
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin

Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 3:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

MayBe if You FEEL that way, either You OR MikeA 
OR JohnathanM should consider doing PodCasts 
demonstrating such or MayBe Johnathan could 
Compose some Tutorials-Guides, which HighLight 
AccessibilityBenefits of Apple's iWorksSuite Versus Microsoft's OfficeSuite


If it's SoEasy & MoreAccessible Why aren't 
TotallyBlind & LowVision users of Apple's OSX 
using it PrimarilySince you can ConFigure 
Apple's iWorksSuite to Resemble Microsoft's OfficeSuite

At 05:50 AM 1/2/2016, you wrote:

I would agree, pages and the Apple products are 
generally more accessible.  Microsoft has put 
work in to office 2016 however and has made big 
improvements.  I use outlook on the Mac now 
daily for work and it̢۪s very good.  Still, 
pages s and numbers etc seem to flow better and 
a bit more accessible but that̢۪s my 
opinion.  Not sure if itâ€â¢â‚¬â„¢s worth a 
podcast or something people just need to try for them selves.



On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Robin 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net > wrote:


Your a 
Mac 
enthusiast, so Why don't you Compare-Contrast 
Apple iWorks Versus Microsoft's Office ON OSX (MacOSX)?


Don't TalkTheTalk WalkTheWalk

I'm PrettySure  other MacListers would also 
BeInterested IN a PodCast of ThisNature


At 07:41 AM 12/31/2015, you wrote:

While 4 GB of memory will work, go with 8 if you 
can afford it, it can only help you. You will 
probably find that pages offers better 
acccessibility than Microsoft Office at this 
point, I think you will enjoy the mac experience.

Original message:

I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using
the Mac and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have
been exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input
anyone may have before I buy one.



My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how
the OS works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to
audio files, and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple
Script, Python, and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does
VoiceOver work well in the terminal?



I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual
machine, and am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.



Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows
screen reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position
of the cursor so that I could tell how far down on the page the text
was, and make sure text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer
this kind of feedback in either Pages or Microsoft Office?



I'm mainly considering the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, or Macbook.  From
reading Apple's OS X requirements, many 2012 or newer models of the Mac
Mini are supported.  If I go with a Macbook Air or Macbook, I may go for
a newer machine to maximize its battery life since the battery isn't
easily replaceable.  Would I be ok with getting a Mac Mini from 2012 or
newer if I decide to go with one of those, instead of buying the latest
model, or are there any drawbacks from an accessibility standpoint?



How valuable is it to have a numeric pad?  I understand VoiceOver has a
numpad commander that can be used to assign keyboard commands.  Would it
be worth considering an external Apple keyboard with a numeric pad if I
buy a laptop without one?  How about a trackpad, if I choose a Mac Mini
without one built in?



One of the things I am excited about is access to the recovery software,
and being able to easily create and run Mac OS from an external hard
drive or flash drive for troubleshooting or as a second system for
experimenting.  Can I use an existing external hard drive and
repartition it so that I have a partition for backup file storage and a
second partition to install OS X, or would it be better to have OS X as
the only thing on the external drive?  I recall reading that when
choosing a startup OS by holding the option key at startu

Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[David Tanner]

Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO will 
come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem turning 
VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I shut down 
the computer, it does not boot up automatically.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.


> On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Adam
> You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
> I have vo starting before the password prompt
>  
> I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to 
> the log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Adam Morris
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?
>  
> Hi all,
> I've just purchased a second hand mac.
> I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
> 
> It is running OS10 but not the latest.
> When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
> This screen doesn't speak.
> Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
> press enter I get the error sound.
> I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
> uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
> Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
> 
> 
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Re: Apple watch and multiple devices.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

As far as I know, ricardo is correct.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Ricardo Walker" 

To: "Macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Apple watch and multiple devices.


Hmm,

I don’t think the situation you posed is possible actually. Your watch can 
only be paired to one IOS device at a time. And to my knowledge, that device 
has to be an iPhone. So your watch can only control music being played from 
the phone witch it is paired.


hth.

On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Ok, this might be an odd question.
If i have my iPhone paired to my apple watch and then pair the watch with 
my IPad Mini, when i want to play music from the apple watch or use the 
music app there how would i know what the device the watch will play it 
through?

/A

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RE: Choosing a Mac, getting started

[Simon Fogarty]

The other thing to be aware with re MS Office and iWorks is that iWorks comes 
free with the apple products  be they Mac OSX computers or IOS devices.
Microsoft office for the mac or IOS devices will cost you money,

If it wasn’t for the organisation I work for using MS products as their primary 
office suite and messaging system.
I’d be using iWorks and with iCloud drive everything is available on all 
devices, although with MS One Drive the same goes for Office 365
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 3:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

MayBe if You FEEL that way, either You OR MikeA OR JohnathanM should consider 
doing PodCasts demonstrating such or MayBe Johnathan could Compose some 
Tutorials-Guides, which HighLight AccessibilityBenefits of Apple's iWorksSuite 
Versus Microsoft's OfficeSuite

If it's SoEasy & MoreAccessible Why aren't TotallyBlind & LowVision users of 
Apple's OSX using it PrimarilySince you can ConFigure Apple's iWorksSuite to 
Resemble Microsoft's OfficeSuite
At 05:50 AM 1/2/2016, you wrote:

I would agree, pages and the Apple products are generally more accessible.  
Microsoft has put work in to office 2016 however and has made big improvements. 
 I use outlook on the Mac now daily for work and it’s very good.  Still, 
pages and numbers etc seem to flow better and a bit more accessible but 
that’s my opinion.  Not sure if it’s worth a podcast or something people 
just need to try for them selves.


On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Robin 
mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Your a Mac enthusiast, so 
Why don't you Compare-Contrast Apple iWorks Versus Microsoft's Office ON OSX 
(MacOSX)?

Don't TalkTheTalk WalkTheWalk

I'm PrettySure  other MacListers would also BeInterested IN a PodCast of 
ThisNature

At 07:41 AM 12/31/2015, you wrote:

While 4 GB of memory will work, go with 8 if you can afford it, it can only 
help you. You will probably find that pages offers better acccessibility than 
Microsoft Office at this point, I think you will enjoy the mac experience.
Original message:

I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using
the Mac and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have
been exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input
anyone may have before I buy one.


My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how
the OS works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to
audio files, and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple
Script, Python, and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does
VoiceOver work well in the terminal?


I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual
machine, and am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.


Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows
screen reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position
of the cursor so that I could tell how far down on the page the text
was, and make sure text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer
this kind of feedback in either Pages or Microsoft Office?


I'm mainly considering the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, or Macbook.  From
reading Apple's OS X requirements, many 2012 or newer models of the Mac
Mini are supported.  If I go with a Macbook Air or Macbook, I may go for
a newer machine to maximize its battery life since the battery isn't
easily replaceable.  Would I be ok with getting a Mac Mini from 2012 or
newer if I decide to go with one of those, instead of buying the latest
model, or are there any drawbacks from an accessibility standpoint?


How valuable is it to have a numeric pad?  I understand VoiceOver has a
numpad commander that can be used to assign keyboard commands.  Would it
be worth considering an external Apple keyboard with a numeric pad if I
buy a laptop without one?  How about a trackpad, if I choose a Mac Mini
without one built in?


One of the things I am excited about is access to the recovery software,
and being able to easily create and run Mac OS from an external hard
drive or flash drive for troubleshooting or as a second system for
experimenting.  Can I use an existing external hard drive and
repartition it so that I have a partition for backup file storage and a
second partition to install OS X, or would it be better to have OS X as
the only thing on the external drive?  I recall reading that when
choosing a startup OS by holding the option key at startup that there is
no speech.  Are there other screens like this to be aware of?


Thanks for any ideas.


John


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Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

[Robin]

MayBe if You FEEL that way, either You OR MikeA 
OR JohnathanM should consider doing PodCasts 
demonstrating such or MayBe Johnathan could 
Compose some Tutorials-Guides, which HighLight 
AccessibilityBenefits of Apple's iWorksSuite Versus Microsoft's OfficeSuite


If it's SoEasy & MoreAccessible Why aren't 
TotallyBlind & LowVision users of Apple's OSX 
using it PrimarilySince you can ConFigure Apple's 
iWorksSuite to Resemble Microsoft's OfficeSuite

At 05:50 AM 1/2/2016, you wrote:
I would agree, pages and the Apple products are 
generally more accessible.  Microsoft has put 
work in to office 2016 however and has made big 
improvements.  I use outlook on the Mac now 
daily for work and it’s very good.  Still, 
pages and numbers etc seem to flow better and a 
bit more accessible but that’s my 
opinion.  Not sure if it’s worth a podcast or 
something people just need to try for them selves.


On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Robin 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:


Your a 
Mac 
enthusiast, so Why don't you Compare-Contrast 
Apple iWorks Versus Microsoft's Office ON OSX (MacOSX)?


Don't TalkTheTalk WalkTheWalk

I'm PrettySure  other MacListers would also 
BeInterested IN a PodCast of ThisNature


At 07:41 AM 12/31/2015, you wrote:
While 4 GB of memory will work, go with 8 if 
you can afford it, it can only help you. You 
will probably find that pages offers better 
acccessibility than Microsoft Office at this 
point, I think you will enjoy the mac experience.

Original message:

I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using
the Mac and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have
been exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input
anyone may have before I buy one.



My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how
the OS works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to
audio files, and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple
Script, Python, and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does
VoiceOver work well in the terminal?



I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual
machine, and am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.



Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows
screen reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position
of the cursor so that I could tell how far down on the page the text
was, and make sure text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer
this kind of feedback in either Pages or Microsoft Office?



I'm mainly considering the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, or Macbook.  From
reading Apple's OS X requirements, many 2012 or newer models of the Mac
Mini are supported.  If I go with a Macbook Air or Macbook, I may go for
a newer machine to maximize its battery life since the battery isn't
easily replaceable.  Would I be ok with getting a Mac Mini from 2012 or
newer if I decide to go with one of those, instead of buying the latest
model, or are there any drawbacks from an accessibility standpoint?



How valuable is it to have a numeric pad?  I understand VoiceOver has a
numpad commander that can be used to assign keyboard commands.  Would it
be worth considering an external Apple keyboard with a numeric pad if I
buy a laptop without one?  How about a trackpad, if I choose a Mac Mini
without one built in?



One of the things I am excited about is access to the recovery software,
and being able to easily create and run Mac OS from an external hard
drive or flash drive for troubleshooting or as a second system for
experimenting.  Can I use an existing external hard drive and
repartition it so that I have a partition for backup file storage and a
second partition to install OS X, or would it be better to have OS X as
the only thing on the external drive?  I recall reading that when
choosing a startup OS by holding the option key at startup that there is
no speech.  Are there other screens like this to be aware of?



Thanks for any ideas.



John



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RE: getting speech back on macBook air?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Adam
You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
I have vo starting before the password prompt

I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to the 
log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Adam Morris
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?

Hi all,
I've just purchased a second hand mac.
I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.

It is running OS10 but not the latest.
When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
This screen doesn't speak.
Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and press 
enter I get the error sound.
I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?



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RE: Apple watch and multiple devices.

[Simon Fogarty]

It should play from your phone,
The watch is an add on to the phone and receives it's information from the 
phone.

The watch is only a control panel for the phone, I've never been able to get my 
watch to play music through  the watch itself

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:00 PM
To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Apple watch and multiple devices.

Hi!
Ok, this might be an odd question.
If i have my iphone paired to my apple watch and then pair the watch with my 
Ipad Mini, when i want to play music from the apple watch or use the music app 
there how would i know what the device the watch will play it through?
/A

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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[David Chittenden]

My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the BlueTooth 
routing.

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> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> To me too.
> 
> When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
> would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just by 
> their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your watch. So 
> if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come in, you gotta 
> fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a little privacy? 
> And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta take those off to 
> have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
> 
> Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
> multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
> 
> In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would pair 
> the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead of 
> hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
>> 
>> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate session 
>> from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?
>> 
>> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yup,
>>> 
>>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
>>> being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to 
>>> the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via 
>>> bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when 
>>> placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>>> 
>>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via 
>>> bt headset? Not happening.
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
 
 Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
 but are not on Watch?
 On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
 I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
 replicate.
 
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
> routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
> 
> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
> 
> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
> 
> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: am on the lookout for any podcasts about setting up and using windows and vm fusion

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
thanks for getting back to me.
how do you use the operating systems after there all set up? how do you go 
between them?
do you have a link to this podcast?

thanks

Michael
> On 3 Jan 2016, at 12:46 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, in my opinion VM Fusion is the best choice.  I like being able to run 
> multiple operating systems at the same time and work between them freely.  
> That being said Virtual Box is another free option that does quite well.
>   Next, Mike Erigo on blindcooltech had a great podcast on setting up 
> fusion.  It was old but it still works the same way all be it even easier and 
> more reliably in the newest releases.  Totally worth your time to listen.
> 
> It’s a very easy process though, install fusion, activate the create new VM 
> option and follow the prompts.  I used a Win 7 ISO and set up totally 
> independently with out eyeballs so you should be able to do this easily.
> 
> Good luck and please post any follow up questions you might have.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hey all,
>> i have been thinking about setting up a virtual machine to run windows 7 on 
>> the mac using vm fusion.
>> I do not know where to begin.
>> are there any podcasts or step by step guides on how to install windows and 
>> use it effectively with vm fusion?
>> is vm fusion the best Choice?
>> 
>> thanks for any help
>> 
>> Michael
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Simon Fogarty]

I havec a bluetooth plantronix device paired with both my phone & watchhthere 
is a bluetooth option under settings on thebwatch. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3/01/2016, at 2:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
> 
> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate session 
> from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?
> 
> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup,
>> 
>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
>> being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to 
>> the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via 
>> bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when 
>> placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>> 
>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>> 
>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via 
>> bt headset? Not happening.
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
>>> but are not on Watch?
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>>> replicate.
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
 bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
 routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
 
 I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
 routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
 
 So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
 headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
 
 Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Ricardo Walker]

To me too.

When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just by 
their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your watch. So 
if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come in, you gotta 
fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a little privacy? And 
Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta take those off to have any 
hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.

Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.

In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would pair the 
watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead of hearing it 
over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
> 
> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate session 
> from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?
> 
> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup,
>> 
>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
>> being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to 
>> the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via 
>> bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when 
>> placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>> 
>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>> 
>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via 
>> bt headset? Not happening.
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
>>> but are not on Watch?
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>>> replicate.
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
 bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
 routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
 
 I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
 routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
 
 So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
 headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
 
 Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: am on the lookout for any podcasts about setting up and using windows and vm fusion

[Simon Fogarty]

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3/01/2016, at 2:05 AM, Michael Marshall  wrote:
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> hey all,
> i have been thinking about setting up a virtual machine to run windows 7 on 
> the mac using vm fusion.
> I do not know where to begin.
> are there any podcasts or step by step guides on how to install windows and 
> use it effectively with vm fusion?
> is vm fusion the best Choice?
> 
> thanks for any help
> 
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Re: Apple watch and multiple devices.

[Ricardo Walker]

Hmm,

I don’t think the situation you posed is possible actually. Your watch can only 
be paired to one IOS device at a time. And to my knowledge, that device has to 
be an iPhone. So your watch can only control music being played from the phone 
witch it is paired.

hth.
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Ok, this might be an odd question.
> If i have my iPhone paired to my apple watch and then pair the watch with my 
> IPad Mini, when i want to play music from the apple watch or use the music 
> app there how would i know what the device the watch will play it through?
> /A
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Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[Bill Dengler]

Yes.
You can press command+f5 at the login screen to start VoiceOver.
Additionally, once logged in, you can enable speech on this screen in the 
future:
Press CTRL+option+m to bring up the menu bar.
Down arrow until you reach system preferences, and then press enter.
When system preferences opens, interact with the preference panes scroll area, 
then type “user”.
Press VO+space to click the button.
Interact with the users, groups and login options list.
VO+right until you land on the login options group, then stop interacting.
Click the button labeled "Click the lock to make changes.” and enter your 
password.
If you authenticate successfully, you will hear the sound of a lock opening.
Navigate to the checkbox labeled “Use VoiceOver in the login window” and press 
VO+space to check it.
There are other options in here you may want to customize, for example I use a 
name/password prompt on the login screen instead of the user selector.
If you need special input methods for login (i.e. alternative keyboard layouts 
or accented etc characters in foreign language passwords), you can enable that 
as well from here.
Press CMD+q to quit system preferences.

Bill
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Adam Morris  wrote:
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> I've just purchased a second hand mac.
> I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
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> It is running OS10 but not the latest.
> When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
> This screen doesn't speak.
> Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
> press enter I get the error sound.
> I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
> uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
> Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
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Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[David Chittenden]

Press command f5 a few seconds after the start-up chime. If the function keys 
are set to the alternate commands, it will be necessary to press fn command f5. 
This command activates VoiceOver.

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> Hi all,
> I've just purchased a second hand mac.
> I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
> 
> It is running OS10 but not the latest.
> When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
> This screen doesn't speak.
> Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
> press enter I get the error sound.
> I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
> uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
> Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
> 
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> 
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getting speech back on macBook air?

[Adam Morris]

Hi all,
I've just purchased a second hand mac.
I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.

It is running OS10 but not the latest.
When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
This screen doesn't speak.
Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password 
and press enter I get the error sound.
I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go 
in and_uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.

Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?

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Apple watch and multiple devices.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok, this might be an odd question.
If i have my iphone paired to my apple watch and then pair the watch with my 
Ipad Mini, when i want to play music from the apple watch or use the music app 
there how would i know what the device the watch will play it through?
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Re: discovered a movie rental with audible narration

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Hi!
Can you see this on an iphone?
/A
> 2 jan. 2016 kl. 00:38 skrev Alex Hall :
> 
> Currently, the only way I know to do this is via an Apple TV with the latest 
> tvOS. I've emailed Apple about this, and they say they're working on the 
> problem. However, there's not yet a solution. Some movies say they have 
> description right in the title, but now we're seeing some that have 
> descriptions without indicating that at all. Here's hoping this gets fixed 
> soon! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 18:26, Christina  wrote:
>> 
>> My apologies for not being very clear. I rented the movie from Apple. I want 
>> to know how to figure out which movies I can rent or purchase from Apple 
>> that will have descriptive narration. I did not watch the movie on Netflix.  
>> Thank U
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Netflex should be able to offer footnotes on the audio description.
>>> Here is a link:
>>> 
>>> http://acb.org/adp/netflixad.html
>>> 
>>> Enjoy watching!
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
>>> 
 On 12/31/15, Christina C.  wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 How do you find out if a movie rental or purchase will contain
 descriptive/audible narration. we just rented The scorch trials from the
 apple TV and were surprised that the rental contained audible narration. I
 would definitely rent or purchase certain movies if I knew they had audible
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

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Hi!
To be honest i never had any luck answering calls on my watch.
I gave it up and do that from the phone.
/A
> 1 jan. 2016 kl. 17:24 skrev Ricardo Walker :
> 
> Yup,
> 
> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
> being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to 
> the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via 
> bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when 
> placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
> 
> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
> 
> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via 
> bt headset? Not happening.
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> 
>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
>> but are not on Watch?
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>> replicate.
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
>>> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not routed 
>>> to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
>>> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
>>> 
>>> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
>>> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
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Re: Installing braille embosser

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Don’t have one but i can mail them if i get their adress.
/A
> 1 jan. 2016 kl. 01:39 skrev Scott Berry :
> 
> We will just have to see.  We need more people who have these printers to 
> write in.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 4:07 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Thanks. If they did, it would be a helluva lot cheaper for me. Hope we do 
>> not have to wait long for an answer.
>> 
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>> On 12/31/2015 2:57 PM, Scott Berry wrote:
>>> Yeah probably will.  I did the same so there is two of us.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:52 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
  Ok, I looked again and the only output Louis can send to is a Bluetooth 
 device which I do not have. Maybe Anders is on to something here in regard 
 to Index embossers?
 
  Just sent email to Enabling, thanks. Might have to put this on the shelf 
 until next week.
 
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> Hello there,
> 
> I would also suggest sending a suggestion to Enabling Technologies at:
> 
> i...@brailler.com
> 
> and ask them to make their drivers for the Mac.  I also have a FS product 
> but they are as reluctant as hell to do anything like that.  I have 
> already asked.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 9:26 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>>  I got curious so opened the Louis braille app. It looks like one can 
>> send output to /dev/null. Since documents can be set up on a per basis, 
>> the question I have is, how do I know if /dev/null is the embosser? And 
>> there is another option in that Send to list which is /test.output.
>> 
>>  Maybe its that simple?
>> 
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>>> I am assuming this is probably not quite the right way to set it up.  
>>> Let me do a bit of research and I can get back with you.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 8:49 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
  Yes I tried setup in System Prefs. I didn't even get to setting it up 
 once I hit the Add button, it just ran a test page or whatever it was. 
 In the printer table it showed the Prolific controller which is the 
 chlpset in the parallel to USB cable.
 
  I looked at the information and it shows the Prolific controllers. 
 One is a seruial and one is a IEE 1284 something ot other, think that 
 is for the embosser.
 
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> I don’t suppose you’ll get much use out of OS X’s printer subsystem 
> for handling the braille embosser.
> 
> On the other hand, surely it is only a matter of identifying the 
> parallel or serial device that appears on OS X, assuming that the 
> chipset is one supported by a USB driver.  In which case, I imagine 
> one simply sends the ASCII braille file to the embosser much as it 
> used to be.
> 
> What does OS X say your USB device really is.  Check in System 
> Information under USB.  Check the detailed info in the pane once it’s 
> selected.
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Re: Installing braille embosser

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t have one yet.
I have just heard that they should work with the mac.
Now i have a blista brailletech which was great using windows but their support 
refuses to create drivers for the mac for some reason.
I guess its because the printer itself installs a virtual com port under 
windows.
Its an ftdi device and i have not had any luck installing such to the mac.
/A
> 31 dec. 2015 kl. 22:20 skrev E.T. :
> 
> Anders,
>   Which model do you have of Index? If this is what I need to get for the 
> Mac, then I will have to work it out. One thing that appeals to me is the 
> Basic model is half the weight of my old Juliet. Be so much easier to move 
> around.
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>> Hi!
>> THe only embosser  i know works for the mac is the index braille embossers.
>> The latest version can even work with your phone i think.
>> /A
>>> 31 dec. 2015 kl. 11:51 skrev Scott Berry :
>>> 
>>> Hello there,
>>> 
>>> So you installed it through the printers applet in System Settings?  I know 
>>> there is one manufacturer who does make Mac drivers but the name escapes me 
>>> at the moment.  Supposedly, there is supposed to be a Duxbury for the Mac 
>>> but I haven’t heard much on it.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 30, 2015, at 7:57 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
  I finally am doing this on the Mac and as soon as I hit the Add button in 
 Printer prefs, a test page was run off. The Juliet Classic is connected 
 via USB. "Use Generic Postscript Printer" was selected. Is this the 
 correct setup?
 
  If not, how do I add the embosser? I do not want to waste any more paper. 
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Re: Installing braille embosser

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I will check things out.
/A
> 31 dec. 2015 kl. 18:52 skrev E.T. :
> 
>   Ok, I looked again and the only output Louis can send to is a Bluetooth 
> device which I do not have. Maybe Anders is on to something here in regard to 
> Index embossers?
> 
>   Just sent email to Enabling, thanks. Might have to put this on the shelf 
> until next week.
> 
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> On 12/31/2015 8:56 AM, Scott Berry wrote:
>> Hello there,
>> 
>> I would also suggest sending a suggestion to Enabling Technologies at:
>> 
>> i...@brailler.com
>> 
>> and ask them to make their drivers for the Mac.  I also have a FS product 
>> but they are as reluctant as hell to do anything like that.  I have already 
>> asked.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 9:26 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>>   I got curious so opened the Louis braille app. It looks like one can send 
>>> output to /dev/null. Since documents can be set up on a per basis, the 
>>> question I have is, how do I know if /dev/null is the embosser? And there 
>>> is another option in that Send to list which is /test.output.
>>> 
>>>   Maybe its that simple?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 12/31/2015 8:18 AM, Scott Berry wrote:
 I am assuming this is probably not quite the right way to set it up.  Let 
 me do a bit of research and I can get back with you.
 
 
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 8:49 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Yes I tried setup in System Prefs. I didn't even get to setting it up 
> once I hit the Add button, it just ran a test page or whatever it was. In 
> the printer table it showed the Prolific controller which is the chlpset 
> in the parallel to USB cable.
> 
>   I looked at the information and it shows the Prolific controllers. One 
> is a seruial and one is a IEE 1284 something ot other, think that is for 
> the embosser.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> On 12/31/2015 7:03 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>> I don’t suppose you’ll get much use out of OS X’s printer subsystem for 
>> handling the braille embosser.
>> 
>> On the other hand, surely it is only a matter of identifying the 
>> parallel or serial device that appears on OS X, assuming that the 
>> chipset is one supported by a USB driver.  In which case, I imagine one 
>> simply sends the ASCII braille file to the embosser much as it used to 
>> be.
>> 
>> What does OS X say your USB device really is.  Check in System 
>> Information under USB.  Check the detailed info in the pane once it’s 
>> selected.
>> 
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Re: radio and iPhone 5S

[Scott Granados]

So here’s an interesting angle on the FM side of this discussion.  I was 
thinking about the classic argument that FM is available in more places than 
the Internet.

I don’t think that’s true.  I’ve been doing comparisons in my mind and I think 
the Internet believe it or not is now more readily available than traditional 
broadcasting.  (we’ll leave exotic radio, hams and other esoteric stuff out of 
this discussion as I’m thinking more mainstream user here).  I can get the 
internet deep with in the glass and brick monstrosities and in many cases over 
a fast network with good handoff.  No dice at all on AM and FM only if there’s 
no digital electronics around with clocks (not likely).  
More than 100 miles off shore, Cell signals do propagate out that far, 
I have tested this personally.  Even T-Mobile has the waters off the east and 
west coast covered and Verizon is unbelievably good off shore.  FM can carry 
well over water when conditions are good but when they get weird with ice 
crystals and such reflecting signals it can be difficult.  Out past a couple 
hundred miles all terrestrial signals that are VHF  or higher thin out but you 
have some satellite options that are pretty affordable now.  Cruze ships also 
have WiFi, all modern Navy ships have Internet, large transports, motor yachts 
and so forth.  I spend a lot of time out on the water and Internet is plentiful.
I can get Internet in space, the space station has Internet including 
Skype, pandora and some other services.  I’m not sure about video and some 
googling would probably yield how much bandwidth they have up there, I bet it’s 
pretty good.
Aircraft are all Internet enabled at least commercial grade and higher 
end personal.  I think I could grab an internet station and listen to the same 
station anywhere in the world (political network disruptions aside).  

So I’m with you, the converged network is the best.  The emergency problem is a 
real problem.  I’m a ham so I get it.  I have to honestly say I am concerned 
that amateur radio will not go that much further in our present path and I do 
not think this is necessarily a good thing.  Just as I do not support sending 
IP over power lines that are uninsulated and completely obliterates the HF 
bands to the point of being unusable.  But how do we get services to people 
reliably when all hell breaks loose.  Wireless mesh has to be where it is.  I 
do not want some corporate owned mesh though that I have to go to a carrier to 
deal with exclusively.  I don’t mind big blocks of spectrum used for commercial 
grade services but If we really are going to make this full digital transition, 
away from everything analog I want a damn decent sized block of that spectrum 
reserved for individuals.  Some sort of open source mesh that we all can 
participate in and our act of participation enhances the mesh by adding higher 
density.  Even space for the experimenter, keep the same ham type 
classification but make everything digital / IPV6 / what ever that 
interoperates cleanly.  The beautiful thing with traditional radio is that 
anybody can stick a coat hanger in a cheap box and pick up some content.  See 
if anyone ever did this experiment with there kids but if you take a tube, wind 
a coil of wire around it and attach a small germanium diode to it with a pair 
of alligator clips and small speaker or headset attached something cool 
happens.  You start picking up your local AM radio stations.  Everybody should 
build a crystal radio with their kids.  We need a digital equivalent.  How can 
we deliver these services wirelessly in a way that’s so cheap even someone 
living on a few pennies per day can pull together the parts.

Android fits in here nicely obviously.  Chrome OS and Linux are fine, anything 
open source.  I think you bring up points here but if the hardware vendor is 
colluding with the carrier like you argue:) and I do see your point what’s the 
alternative?  Being able to switch between t-mobile and Sprint isn’ it.  If 
you’re really going to extend your arguments out and I’m not saying I disagree 
but how do we build our digital equivalent of rabbit ears to serve everyone?

:)


> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> Thanks for the info, and the compliment.  It does sound like my info on the 
> US is outdated, which makes me wonder why on earth Apple continue to foist 
> carrier restrictions on customers and insist on deals for sales.  If Apple 
> wants all the control, they can easily go all-out retail, and take it.  So 
> why don’t they?  I can assure you that on this dank little island, as well as 
> other major players in Europe, the margins on carrier-supplied gear is as low 
> as it can possibly get, and there are no subsidies either.  For consumers, 
> Apple is just the very expensive, but very attractive option, and not much 
> else.  We could do without the absurd fawning over the health of carrier 
>

Re: radio and iPhone 5S

[Scott Granados]

So let me ask you this because I’m genuinely not sure.  What do you mean by 
apple forcing or foisting carrier restrictions on customers?  I’m aware they 
make different phones for different networks but I think there’s a technology 
reason for that.  I also know they sell unlocked devices.  Expand on that a 
little for me I’m unclear what you meant.

  
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> Thanks for the info, and the compliment.  It does sound like my info on the 
> US is outdated, which makes me wonder why on earth Apple continue to foist 
> carrier restrictions on customers and insist on deals for sales.  If Apple 
> wants all the control, they can easily go all-out retail, and take it.  So 
> why don’t they?  I can assure you that on this dank little island, as well as 
> other major players in Europe, the margins on carrier-supplied gear is as low 
> as it can possibly get, and there are no subsidies either.  For consumers, 
> Apple is just the very expensive, but very attractive option, and not much 
> else.  We could do without the absurd fawning over the health of carrier 
> relationships.  I have put this down in a couple of bug reports to Apple, and 
> they only ever get fixed when the carrier agrees to sales targets for Apple.  
> It’s ridiculous.
> 
> As for  FM radio, I’m really with you.  Convergence is a good and healthy 
> thing.  And indeed, between demand, hardware design, aerial design, and 
> chipset limitations, it probably just doesn’t make any sense.  Still, I do 
> hear those arguing on the basis of emergency communications, and nostalgia.  
> Certainly the one thing FM can do that the Internet can’t, at least now, is 
> work anywhere there is reception of the broadcaster.  We need to get the 
> Internet to a place where radio mesh networking can take up the slack in 
> times of crisis, or resilient community networks are built and sustained.  I 
> don’t think that’s too much to ask, and I’m fairly sure it will happen, one 
> day.  Then the Internet will always be available, cheap, and reliable, and 
> people won’t think twice before turning on the “Radio”.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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Re: Problem with passwords in 1Password

[Shaf]

No. I think it is your Mac. No issues over here.

On 1/2/2016 4:56 PM, gs wrote:
> I admit that I need to continue to try to isolate exactly what is going on 
> but this is getting frustrating. When I try to manually enter passwords in 
> 1Passwords for logins, the characters are entered in reverse order.
> This seems to only be happening with new entries. I went back and looked at 
> some of the older entries and the passwords are being spoken correctly. So I 
> can only assume this is not a problem specific to VO. I did some preliminary 
> web searches but did not locate anyone else experiencing this so thought I 
> would check here to see if anyone else has encountered this issue. This is 
> with 1Password in Mac OS X and not the iOS version. I have not yet tested 
> with the iOS version to see if I encounter the same issue.
> When I copy the password and paste, it is also backward. Is there some 
> setting in 1Password?
> 
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Re: Problem with passwords in 1Password

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I will have to try this, but if I understand you correctly, manually 
entering a password in the password field reverses the order in which 
you enter them. I haven't seen any setting that would change the 
behavior, and I don't see how it would be a good thing to have either.


I haven't seen that, but I suppose you could always reach out to them 
via Twitter on @1password or write them an email. If they can figure it 
out, they usually enter it into their bug tracker.


Nicolai

On 1/2/2016 11:56 AM, gs wrote:

I admit that I need to continue to try to isolate exactly what is going on but 
this is getting frustrating. When I try to manually enter passwords in 
1Passwords for logins, the characters are entered in reverse order.
This seems to only be happening with new entries. I went back and looked at 
some of the older entries and the passwords are being spoken correctly. So I 
can only assume this is not a problem specific to VO. I did some preliminary 
web searches but did not locate anyone else experiencing this so thought I 
would check here to see if anyone else has encountered this issue. This is with 
1Password in Mac OS X and not the iOS version. I have not yet tested with the 
iOS version to see if I encounter the same issue.
When I copy the password and paste, it is also backward. Is there some setting 
in 1Password?




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Problem with passwords in 1Password

[gs]

I admit that I need to continue to try to isolate exactly what is going on but 
this is getting frustrating. When I try to manually enter passwords in 
1Passwords for logins, the characters are entered in reverse order.
This seems to only be happening with new entries. I went back and looked at 
some of the older entries and the passwords are being spoken correctly. So I 
can only assume this is not a problem specific to VO. I did some preliminary 
web searches but did not locate anyone else experiencing this so thought I 
would check here to see if anyone else has encountered this issue. This is with 
1Password in Mac OS X and not the iOS version. I have not yet tested with the 
iOS version to see if I encounter the same issue.
When I copy the password and paste, it is also backward. Is there some setting 
in 1Password?


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Re: Voice Over volume keeps changing in El Capitan

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Ronald,

Yes, I can confirm the same happens on my macbook pro too.  I've only just 
noticed it because I normally use my mac with headphones and when the 
headphones are plugged in, this change does not happen.  So I was very 
surprised when one day I disconnected my headphones and i noticed this strange 
behaviour.

Good thing you are going to report this.

Best wishes for the new year.

Andrew
> On 2 Jan 2016, at 11:08, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Since last week I’m running El Capitan on a new iMac and have some issues 
> with the speech volume keeps increasing and decreasing by itself. The effect 
> takes place all the time and is gradual. I have audioducking and 3D audio 
> turned off and have no additional speech settings activated.
> Perhaps it’s a language specific problem, I’m using the Dutch voices.
> On a MacBook Pro I have the exact same issues.
> It’s pretty annoying, will email Apple Accessibility as well, because Voice 
> Over has some more bugs. Like using high pitched voice, while this is 
> disabled also.
> 
> Thanks and happy new year,
> Ronald
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Re: radio and iPhone 5S

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi Scott.

Thanks for the info, and the compliment.  It does sound like my info on the US 
is outdated, which makes me wonder why on earth Apple continue to foist carrier 
restrictions on customers and insist on deals for sales.  If Apple wants all 
the control, they can easily go all-out retail, and take it.  So why don’t 
they?  I can assure you that on this dank little island, as well as other major 
players in Europe, the margins on carrier-supplied gear is as low as it can 
possibly get, and there are no subsidies either.  For consumers, Apple is just 
the very expensive, but very attractive option, and not much else.  We could do 
without the absurd fawning over the health of carrier relationships.  I have 
put this down in a couple of bug reports to Apple, and they only ever get fixed 
when the carrier agrees to sales targets for Apple.  It’s ridiculous.

As for  FM radio, I’m really with you.  Convergence is a good and healthy 
thing.  And indeed, between demand, hardware design, aerial design, and chipset 
limitations, it probably just doesn’t make any sense.  Still, I do hear those 
arguing on the basis of emergency communications, and nostalgia.  Certainly the 
one thing FM can do that the Internet can’t, at least now, is work anywhere 
there is reception of the broadcaster.  We need to get the Internet to a place 
where radio mesh networking can take up the slack in times of crisis, or 
resilient community networks are built and sustained.  I don’t think that’s too 
much to ask, and I’m fairly sure it will happen, one day.  Then the Internet 
will always be available, cheap, and reliable, and people won’t think twice 
before turning on the “Radio”.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Scott Granados]

So, to me, this is weak sauce.

Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate session 
from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?

Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.


> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Yup,
> 
> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
> being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to 
> the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via 
> bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when 
> placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
> 
> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
> 
> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via 
> bt headset? Not happening.
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> 
>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
>> but are not on Watch?
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>> replicate.
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
>>> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not routed 
>>> to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
>>> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
>>> 
>>> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
>>> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
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Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

[Scott Granados]

I would agree, pages and the Apple products are generally more accessible.  
Microsoft has put work in to office 2016 however and has made big improvements. 
 I use outlook on the Mac now daily for work and it’s very good.  Still, pages 
and numbers etc seem to flow better and a bit more accessible but that’s my 
opinion.  Not sure if it’s worth a podcast or something people just need to try 
for them selves.

> On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Your a Mac enthusias t, 
> so Why don't you Compare-Contrast Apple iWorks Versus Microsoft's Office ON 
> OSX (MacOSX)? 
> 
> Don't TalkTheTalk WalkTheWalk 
> 
> I'm PrettySure  other MacListers would also BeInterested IN a PodCast of 
> ThisNature 
> 
> At 07:41 AM 12/31/2015, you wrote:
>> While 4 GB of memory will work, go with 8 if you can afford it, it can only 
>> help you. You will probably find that pages offers better acccessibility 
>> than Microsoft Office at this point, I think you will enjoy the mac 
>> experience.
>> Original message:
>>> I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using
>>> the Mac and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have
>>> been exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input
>>> anyone may have before I buy one.
>> 
>>> My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how
>>> the OS works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to
>>> audio files, and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple
>>> Script, Python, and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does
>>> VoiceOver work well in the terminal?
>> 
>>> I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual
>>> machine, and am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.
>> 
>>> Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows
>>> screen reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position
>>> of the cursor so that I could tell how far down on the page the text
>>> was, and make sure text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer
>>> this kind of feedback in either Pages or Microsoft Office?
>> 
>>> I'm mainly considering the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, or Macbook.  From
>>> reading Apple's OS X requirements, many 2012 or newer models of the Mac
>>> Mini are supported.  If I go with a Macbook Air or Macbook, I may go for
>>> a newer machine to maximize its battery life since the battery isn't
>>> easily replaceable.  Would I be ok with getting a Mac Mini from 2012 or
>>> newer if I decide to go with one of those, instead of buying the latest
>>> model, or are there any drawbacks from an accessibility standpoint?
>> 
>>> How valuable is it to have a numeric pad?  I understand VoiceOver has a
>>> numpad commander that can be used to assign keyboard commands.  Would it
>>> be worth considering an external Apple keyboard with a numeric pad if I
>>> buy a laptop without one?  How about a trackpad, if I choose a Mac Mini
>>> without one built in?
>> 
>>> One of the things I am excited about is access to the recovery software,
>>> and being able to easily create and run Mac OS from an external hard
>>> drive or flash drive for troubleshooting or as a second system for
>>> experimenting.  Can I use an existing external hard drive and
>>> repartition it so that I have a partition for backup file storage and a
>>> second partition to install OS X, or would it be better to have OS X as
>>> the only thing on the external drive?  I recall reading that when
>>> choosing a startup OS by holding the option key at startup that there is
>>> no speech.  Are there other screens like this to be aware of?
>> 
>>> Thanks for any ideas.
>> 
>>> John
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Re: Braille displays with VMware

[Scott Granados]

Not sure about being paired in to places at once but the USB works great.  Just 
attach and a prompt will appear asking where you with to connect the device, 
select windows, the default, and bam.

Good luck

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 12:42 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   Yes I could connect to USB. Maybe that is what I will need to do. Ahh, all 
> those wires and cables everywhere! (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 1/1/2016 9:36 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Is it possible to use USB to connect this braille display to the host rather 
>> than Bluetooth?
>> 
>> I know with USB you can move things easily between host and guest machines 
>> but haven't ever tried this with Bluetooth.-Original Message-
>> 
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Saturday, 2 January 2016 5:27 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Braille displays with VMware
>> 
>> I have a braille display paired with the Mac and now want to pair it 
>> with Windows under VMware. I cannot disconnect it from the Mac so that 
>> Windows can discover it. I do not want to unpair it from the Mac. What is 
>> the trick to make this work? Thanks.
>> 
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>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
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Re: am on the lookout for any podcasts about setting up and using windows and vm fusion

[Scott Granados]

Hi, in my opinion VM Fusion is the best choice.  I like being able to run 
multiple operating systems at the same time and work between them freely.  That 
being said Virtual Box is another free option that does quite well.
Next, Mike Erigo on blindcooltech had a great podcast on setting up 
fusion.  It was old but it still works the same way all be it even easier and 
more reliably in the newest releases.  Totally worth your time to listen.

It’s a very easy process though, install fusion, activate the create new VM 
option and follow the prompts.  I used a Win 7 ISO and set up totally 
independently with out eyeballs so you should be able to do this easily.

Good luck and please post any follow up questions you might have.

Thanks

Scott


> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Michael Marshall  
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> hey all,
> i have been thinking about setting up a virtual machine to run windows 7 on 
> the mac using vm fusion.
> I do not know where to begin.
> are there any podcasts or step by step guides on how to install windows and 
> use it effectively with vm fusion?
> is vm fusion the best Choice?
> 
> thanks for any help
> 
> Michael
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Re: radio and iPhone 5S

[Scott Granados]

Hi, first let me say I totally echo Ricardo’s comments in that I really enjoy 
your posts, find them packed with correct and valuable info and great opinions. 
 So keep at it.:)

That being said, I’m with Ricardo on this one.  I think, possibly and I’m 
willing to be corrected but your data on the US while correct is outdated.  
We’ve moved off the subsidy model to an ownership model where you buy the 
phone,own it unlocked and can move as desired.  There are contracts available 
with discounts if you wish to commit but there are also no contract options 
available along with a host of equipment finance options or you can buy your 
gear outright.
Secondly, the US carriers have migrated to GSM.  I actually helped in 
this process designing the VOLTE pods deployed on Verizon and interconnecting 
VZW with other carriers mainly European for roaming and interoperability.  I 
can definitely tell you that the relationship between the carriers and handset 
providers is now one that is more adversarial than what you’re proposing.  It 
may have been that way but the manufacturers of hardware are starting to try to 
push around the carriers and the carriers push back.  It’s not a situation 
where the carrier and hardware provider play nice nice and work collectively to 
screw the customer.  Things just aren’t that friendly or organized.:)  Add to 
that some of the hardware vendors also build the cells and tower equipment so 
you could have a Microsoft Nokia optimizing the network for their gear while 
Ericsson gear might favor Sony and nobody Apple etc.  It gets even stranger 
when you realize an Ericsson packet engine might actually be a Juniper M10I 
with an Ericsson label literally slapped over the Juniper.  And I assure, none 
of these business divisions talk to the others in anyway that even resembles 
efficiency.  I could never find the Ericsson contact internal to Juniper to 
work together on routing problems for example and so forth.  
Next, are we sure that the iPhone has an FM chip in it.  I don’t 
believe it does at least I don’t see it as an option on any of the chips 
including the qualcomm 35 series  but that may be the guy behind the keyboard 
googling and not reality.:)
If there is an FM subsection on the chip on the dye we then have to ask 
our selves is it wired in to the rest of the circuit or is it disabled by the 
vendor.  Many times chips are produced and are all similar but in reality 
operate at different grades.  A pentium 4 at 2 ghz is the same literal silicon 
as one that runs at 2.5 it’s just the one that runs faster was graded higher in 
testing and is that little bit better.  Likewise a radio chip might be produced 
and all the key features work but the fM not being ordered by the customer is 
not functional or substandard so the vendor just disrupts the traces that head 
in to this area of the silicon.
Next, someone raised the points of antennae.  This is true, the antenna 
array in most cell phones is tuned up in the 1.8 - 2.2 ghz range with obviously 
some exceptions for lower and  higher frequencies.  A lot of the spectrum lies 
in that range or in the 700 - 800 mhz spectrum.  That antenna is probably some 
sort of active electronics tuned to these ranges.  FM being in the 88 to 108 
MHZ range isn’t anywhere near the same wavelength.  Many times the headphone 
cord was used for an antenna but that’s not optimal.  Also, many of these chips 
have so much noise in the 100 mhz range as well as the AM band that you can’t 
pick up a signal over the interference.  All the noise in the circuits obscures 
the over the air signal.  Huge problem especially in modern digital radios 
including table top radios.  Try finding a good AM receiver these days, it 
ain’t easy.

Finally and maybe most importantly, I personally think radio in it’s analog 
over the air form is at the end of it’s useful life.  I spoke to a  fellow with 
Clearchannel not that long ago and he told me in many markets now the number of 
internet listeners exceeds the number of over the air listeners.  More and more 
cars are coming with XM or pandora or native Internet so the home of what was 
exclusively the radio before is now that of all your digital electronics.  The 
broadcasters would love to have this change, no more FCC, no content police and 
no more expensive radio engineer.  I think hams will still fill the roll of 
emergency communications but for the average joe they could care less whether 
the signal was delivered over IP or over FM modulation.  So my point is the 
interest to enable isn’t there, even assuming the capability is.  Believe me, 
if Apple thought people cared about FM radio enough to buy there phones it 
would be enabled tomorrow.

just my $.02







> On Jan 1, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ricardo,
> 
> Interesting thoughts.
> 
> To be honest, I get the impression that the US has yet to get the full 
> benefits of competition enjoyed by most

Re: windows7 under bootcamp

[jeff `greene]

Hi Simon,
Thanks for the info. I guess I'm not going to upgrade to windows 10
yet. Yesterday I went through programs and features and uninstalled
the latest app I had installed into win7 and everything is back to
normal.
Thanks, Jeff


On 1/2/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Bootcamp drivers should normally update for you automatically.
>  I got one a coupld of days ago  for wifi
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jeff `greene
> Sent: Saturday, 2 January 2016 6:48 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: windows7 under bootcamp
>
> Hi, Ok starting just yesterday I'm seeing some strange behavior in windows 7
> under bootcamp. My keystrokes on the keyboard seem to be delayed, I.E. I hit
> a key and there is a longer delay than normal. A couple of programs like
> Piraform C-Cleaner launch funny and i can't navigate the screen. So, since
> microsoft keeps harping at me to update to windows 10 I was thinking that
> may solve my problems. I just had some questions.1 Do you have to update the
> apple bootcamp drivers or is it done automatically?
> 2 Will my screen reader work after the update, or how about win10's
> narrator?
> If anybody on the list has done this upgrade any info would be appreciated.
> Thanks, Jeff
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am on the lookout for any podcasts about setting up and using windows and vm fusion

[Michael Marshall]

hey all,
i have been thinking about setting up a virtual machine to run windows 7 on the 
mac using vm fusion.
I do not know where to begin.
are there any podcasts or step by step guides on how to install windows and use 
it effectively with vm fusion?
is vm fusion the best Choice?

thanks for any help

Michael

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Re: Braille displays with VMware

[Caitlyn Furness]

I think you have to go into the devices section of the tool bar within the vm 
app and then find the display listed there.  You can then press the connect 
button.

I am still using vmware fusion 6.x, so if you are using a later version, this 
might not work.

hth in some way,
Caitlyn

> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:26 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I have a braille display paired with the Mac and now want to pair it with 
> Windows under VMware. I cannot disconnect it from the Mac so that Windows can 
> discover it. I do not want to unpair it from the Mac. What is the trick to 
> make this work? Thanks.
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Voice Over volume keeps changing in El Capitan

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Dear all,

Since last week I’m running El Capitan on a new iMac and have some issues with 
the speech volume keeps increasing and decreasing by itself. The effect takes 
place all the time and is gradual. I have audioducking and 3D audio turned off 
and have no additional speech settings activated.
Perhaps it’s a language specific problem, I’m using the Dutch voices.
On a MacBook Pro I have the exact same issues.
It’s pretty annoying, will email Apple Accessibility as well, because Voice 
Over has some more bugs. Like using high pitched voice, while this is disabled 
also.

Thanks and happy new year,
Ronald

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Re: Braille displays with VMware

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

When I was running VMware with windows on an old Macbook pro as I haven’t 
really ran windows with VMware on my I Mac or Mac mini, I could run my braille 
displays with Bluetooth be it using Voice Over or the screenreader of one’s 
choice.  With windows 7, when you are running that, you need to connect your 
braille display via bluetooth by connecting it to the bluetooth controller when 
you are in windows.  Once that is connected, you can then close down the VMware 
and put voice over on and your display should then connect to the Mac 
automatically.  But first you must find the name of your port for bluetooth 
within windows if you want this to work and whilst using windows, make sure 
that Voice Over is turned off or it will not work once the VMware is off.

Good luck and a happy new year to all.

Kawal.
> On 2 Jan 2016, at 06:40, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> With USB under VM fusion if that is what you are using, you can go into what 
> from Memory is the virtual machine menu and the removable drives option will 
> l / should allow you to change the device from the host to the guest.
> 
> I know it works with USB Flash memory drives and can only assume it wil with 
> your braille device.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
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> Subject: Re: Braille displays with VMware
> 
>Yes I could connect to USB. Maybe that is what I will need to do. 
> Ahh, all those wires and cables everywhere! (smiles)
> 
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>> than Bluetooth?
>> 
>> I know with USB you can move things easily between host and guest 
>> machines but haven't ever tried this with Bluetooth.-Original 
>> Message-
>> 
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>> Subject: Braille displays with VMware
>> 
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>> with Windows under VMware. I cannot disconnect it from the Mac so that 
>> Windows can discover it. I do not want to unpair it from the Mac. What is 
>> the trick to make this work? Thanks.
>> 
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