Re: Viewing Source in Safari

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yes, indeed.  Very frustrating.  Whenever I need the source I just use curl 
from the Terminal, although of course this is not always an option.

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Re: Viewing Source in Safari

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Weird. I can reproduce the issue. I even tried opening the inspector up 
as a separate window, but that just let me get a bit further down before 
focus moved away from the source. Seems like a bug.


CB

On 5/10/16 4:16 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:

Hi all,

I have the developer menu turned on in Safari, but when I try to view source 
for a webpage I can only seem to get the first 49 lines or so.  Has anybody 
conquered this and, if so, how are you able to view the entire source of the 
web page?

Thx,
Jeff



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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Katie Zodrow]

Hi Donna.
I went on Apple's site too earlier this afternoon and checked out some of the 
accessibility products. That's really cool Apple is offering this now. Yes, 
that's too bad they aren't selling the Baum Braille displays yet. I just got my 
VarioUltra 40 Braille display in March. My counselor from Department of rehab 
in California purchased this for me, and I just started getting training on it 
this week.
Katie
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> On May 12, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it looks 
> like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, that's a 
> serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the least 
> interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you humanware 
> fans. I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims products or 
> Baum products. cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 12, 2016, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille displays, 
>> switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
>> 
>> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility
>> 
>> Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
>> stuff over time.
>> 
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Chris,

It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it looks 
like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, that's a 
serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the least 
interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you humanware fans. 
I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims products or Baum 
products. cheers,
Donna

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> Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille displays, 
> switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
> 
> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility
> 
> Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
> stuff over time.
> 
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Re: Does IOS 9 or El Capitan have the voice memo app?

[Carter Temm]

To find voice memos, look in the extras folder. It should be there

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> On May 12, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> I have a 6S Plus and don’t have an app called voice memo. A friend tells me 
> it is a standard app that is a part of IOS. I looked on the app store and 
> don’t see an app of that name by Apple. A Google search gives me plenty of 
> guides to use this simple app but no idea how to get it on my phone. Is it an 
> app that has been removed from the standard distribution of IOS?
> 
> If it has been removed. What do you recommend to make voice recordings that 
> maintain a quality audio recording while keeping the file size down. I know 
> that people are using roger but the recipient of my voice memos / recordings 
> does not want to install another app.
> 
> As I have a very good microphone connected to my Mac mini I’ve been using 
> QuickTime but I can’t reduce the file size to send via email.
> 
> Looking forward to hearing your responses.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gena
> 
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Does IOS 9 or El Capitan have the voice memo app?

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello All,

I have a 6S Plus and don’t have an app called voice memo. A friend tells me it 
is a standard app that is a part of IOS. I looked on the app store and don’t 
see an app of that name by Apple. A Google search gives me plenty of guides to 
use this simple app but no idea how to get it on my phone. Is it an app that 
has been removed from the standard distribution of IOS?

If it has been removed. What do you recommend to make voice recordings that 
maintain a quality audio recording while keeping the file size down. I know 
that people are using roger but the recipient of my voice memos / recordings 
does not want to install another app.

As I have a very good microphone connected to my Mac mini I’ve been using 
QuickTime but I can’t reduce the file size to send via email.

Looking forward to hearing your responses.

Thanks,

Gena


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Re: 5/12/16

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Scott,
May be its "ancient aliens"? :)
Or in this case "illegal aliens" with translation issues! LOL
For the rest of the list that was a   joke so relax! ;)
Talk soon
Chuck

On May 12, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Scott wrote:

> So Dora, how good is your Hindi?  Chinese any better?  Vietnamese then?
> 
> Most people speak english to some degree, I believe it’s about 78% of the 
> world’s population but for most of the world it is not their primary 
> language.  SO I give them credit for being able to speak more than one 
> language.  That is not an ability that I have and when I’ve tried I haven’t 
> been that successful.  So it’s easy to criticize but I figure if someone’s 
> working with a second or third language they are already 1 or 2 ahead of me.
> 
> You’re also talking probably about people in some rough conditions.  Nigeria 
> for example has oil as it’s primary industry and scams as it’s second.  
> (seriously)  So you have people in horrible conditions sending out these 
> messages and scamming people.  They probably  never formally learned english.
> 
> So who knows where they come from.  Maybe they never have even gone to a 
> school.  Maybe they have and are being victimized to do this.  You neve know.
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Dora Speck  wrote:
>> 
>> They should just really go back to school and relearn how to write. Unless 
>> they just suck in general.
>> 
>> Dora Speck
>> 
>> [Sent from my iPhone]
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Tyler Thompson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> primarily yes, but since IPs aren’t always static and reverse DNS is easily 
>>> spoofable there are some that do use exact message makeup from a blacklist 
>>> and others that do phrase matching, not saying all work the same however. 
>>> That being said if I was going to phish for a password I might send out a 
>>> couple thousand properly spelled ones and then keep shifting typos and 
>>> cycling through my available IPs through different proxy servers.
>>> 
 On May 12, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Scott  wrote:
 
 Well, it wasn’t my spam filter but the original poster.  I thought spam 
 filtration was based more on black / whitelisted IP addresses and then the 
 proper construction of the message with valid from servers and reverse DNS 
 and all that jazz.  I didn’t think they actually got in to the message 
 payload much.  Besides, if someone wants to convince me it’s my bank then 
 they better find a better way to get through the spam filter because B of 
 A and insert your bank name here, are very familiar with spell check and 
 correct English.
> On May 12, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Tyler Thompson  
> wrote:
> 
> frequently, poor grammar isn’t just a result of not knowing english 
> correctly but also an attempt to get past your spam filter, which, 
> clearly worked.
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> You’ think that these people would know to correct their english.  Apple 
>> does not write it’s emails like Baboo from Seinfeld!
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 10:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would say so based on the piss poor grammar. It could be a phishing 
>>> attempt.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 5/12/2016 7:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
 What does this mean? Is this a spam message?
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> *From: *iCloud Team mailto:jsmith...@aol.com>>
> *Subject: **5/12/16*
> *Date: *May 12, 2016 at 8:59:36 AM CDT
> *To: *bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
> Dear bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
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> 
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> 
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Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille 
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http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility

Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
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Re: 5/12/16

[Dora Speck]

True that. Thank you. :)

Dora Speck

[Sent from my iPhone]

> On May 12, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> So Dora, how good is your Hindi?  Chinese any better?  Vietnamese then?
> 
> Most people speak english to some degree, I believe it’s about 78% of the 
> world’s population but for most of the world it is not their primary 
> language.  SO I give them credit for being able to speak more than one 
> language.  That is not an ability that I have and when I’ve tried I haven’t 
> been that successful.  So it’s easy to criticize but I figure if someone’s 
> working with a second or third language they are already 1 or 2 ahead of me.
> 
> You’re also talking probably about people in some rough conditions.  Nigeria 
> for example has oil as it’s primary industry and scams as it’s second.  
> (seriously)  So you have people in horrible conditions sending out these 
> messages and scamming people.  They probably  never formally learned english.
> 
> So who knows where they come from.  Maybe they never have even gone to a 
> school.  Maybe they have and are being victimized to do this.  You neve know.
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Dora Speck  wrote:
>> 
>> They should just really go back to school and relearn how to write. Unless 
>> they just suck in general.
>> 
>> Dora Speck
>> 
>> [Sent from my iPhone]
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Tyler Thompson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> primarily yes, but since IPs aren’t always static and reverse DNS is easily 
>>> spoofable there are some that do use exact message makeup from a blacklist 
>>> and others that do phrase matching, not saying all work the same however. 
>>> That being said if I was going to phish for a password I might send out a 
>>> couple thousand properly spelled ones and then keep shifting typos and 
>>> cycling through my available IPs through different proxy servers.
>>> 
 On May 12, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Scott  wrote:
 
 Well, it wasn’t my spam filter but the original poster.  I thought spam 
 filtration was based more on black / whitelisted IP addresses and then the 
 proper construction of the message with valid from servers and reverse DNS 
 and all that jazz.  I didn’t think they actually got in to the message 
 payload much.  Besides, if someone wants to convince me it’s my bank then 
 they better find a better way to get through the spam filter because B of 
 A and insert your bank name here, are very familiar with spell check and 
 correct English.
> On May 12, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Tyler Thompson  
> wrote:
> 
> frequently, poor grammar isn’t just a result of not knowing english 
> correctly but also an attempt to get past your spam filter, which, 
> clearly worked.
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> You’ think that these people would know to correct their english.  Apple 
>> does not write it’s emails like Baboo from Seinfeld!
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 10:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would say so based on the piss poor grammar. It could be a phishing 
>>> attempt.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 5/12/2016 7:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
 What does this mean? Is this a spam message?
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> *From: *iCloud Team mailto:jsmith...@aol.com>>
> *Subject: **5/12/16*
> *Date: *May 12, 2016 at 8:59:36 AM CDT
> *To: *bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
> Dear bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
> Some emails has are being suspended.
> 
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> 
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Re: 5/12/16

[Scott]

So Dora, how good is your Hindi?  Chinese any better?  Vietnamese then?

Most people speak english to some degree, I believe it’s about 78% of the 
world’s population but for most of the world it is not their primary language.  
SO I give them credit for being able to speak more than one language.  That is 
not an ability that I have and when I’ve tried I haven’t been that successful.  
So it’s easy to criticize but I figure if someone’s working with a second or 
third language they are already 1 or 2 ahead of me.

You’re also talking probably about people in some rough conditions.  Nigeria 
for example has oil as it’s primary industry and scams as it’s second.  
(seriously)  So you have people in horrible conditions sending out these 
messages and scamming people.  They probably  never formally learned english.

So who knows where they come from.  Maybe they never have even gone to a 
school.  Maybe they have and are being victimized to do this.  You neve know.


> On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Dora Speck  wrote:
> 
> They should just really go back to school and relearn how to write. Unless 
> they just suck in general.
> 
> Dora Speck
> 
> [Sent from my iPhone]
> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Tyler Thompson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> primarily yes, but since IPs aren’t always static and reverse DNS is easily 
>> spoofable there are some that do use exact message makeup from a blacklist 
>> and others that do phrase matching, not saying all work the same however. 
>> That being said if I was going to phish for a password I might send out a 
>> couple thousand properly spelled ones and then keep shifting typos and 
>> cycling through my available IPs through different proxy servers.
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, it wasn’t my spam filter but the original poster.  I thought spam 
>>> filtration was based more on black / whitelisted IP addresses and then the 
>>> proper construction of the message with valid from servers and reverse DNS 
>>> and all that jazz.  I didn’t think they actually got in to the message 
>>> payload much.  Besides, if someone wants to convince me it’s my bank then 
>>> they better find a better way to get through the spam filter because B of A 
>>> and insert your bank name here, are very familiar with spell check and 
>>> correct English.
 On May 12, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Tyler Thompson  
 wrote:
 
 frequently, poor grammar isn’t just a result of not knowing english 
 correctly but also an attempt to get past your spam filter, which, clearly 
 worked.
 
 
> On May 12, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> You’ think that these people would know to correct their english.  Apple 
> does not write it’s emails like Baboo from Seinfeld!
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 10:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> I would say so based on the piss poor grammar. It could be a phishing 
>> attempt.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 5/12/2016 7:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>>> What does this mean? Is this a spam message?
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 *From: *iCloud Team mailto:jsmith...@aol.com>>
 *Subject: **5/12/16*
 *Date: *May 12, 2016 at 8:59:36 AM CDT
 *To: *bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
 Dear bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
 Some emails has are being suspended.
 
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Re: 5/12/16

[Dora Speck]

They should just really go back to school and relearn how to write. Unless they 
just suck in general.

Dora Speck

[Sent from my iPhone]

> On May 12, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
> 
> primarily yes, but since IPs aren’t always static and reverse DNS is easily 
> spoofable there are some that do use exact message makeup from a blacklist 
> and others that do phrase matching, not saying all work the same however. 
> That being said if I was going to phish for a password I might send out a 
> couple thousand properly spelled ones and then keep shifting typos and 
> cycling through my available IPs through different proxy servers.
> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, it wasn’t my spam filter but the original poster.  I thought spam 
>> filtration was based more on black / whitelisted IP addresses and then the 
>> proper construction of the message with valid from servers and reverse DNS 
>> and all that jazz.  I didn’t think they actually got in to the message 
>> payload much.  Besides, if someone wants to convince me it’s my bank then 
>> they better find a better way to get through the spam filter because B of A 
>> and insert your bank name here, are very familiar with spell check and 
>> correct English.
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Tyler Thompson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> frequently, poor grammar isn’t just a result of not knowing english 
>>> correctly but also an attempt to get past your spam filter, which, clearly 
>>> worked.
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 12, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Scott  wrote:
 
 You’ think that these people would know to correct their english.  Apple 
 does not write it’s emails like Baboo from Seinfeld!
 
 
> On May 12, 2016, at 10:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> I would say so based on the piss poor grammar. It could be a phishing 
> attempt.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 5/12/2016 7:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>> What does this mean? Is this a spam message?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> *From: *iCloud Team mailto:jsmith...@aol.com>>
>>> *Subject: **5/12/16*
>>> *Date: *May 12, 2016 at 8:59:36 AM CDT
>>> *To: *bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> Dear bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> Some emails has are being suspended.
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: 5/12/16

[Scott]

Well, hopefully IPV6 will help with some of this since there won’t be any more 
NAT and individual allocations are a lot more likely or possible.  At a 
minimum, most people will migrate to static.

Still though you make excellent points.

Thanks for expanding on the topic.


> On May 12, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Tyler Thompson  
> wrote:
> 
> primarily yes, but since IPs aren’t always static and reverse DNS is easily 
> spoofable there are some that do use exact message makeup from a blacklist 
> and others that do phrase matching, not saying all work the same however. 
> That being said if I was going to phish for a password I might send out a 
> couple thousand properly spelled ones and then keep shifting typos and 
> cycling through my available IPs through different proxy servers.
> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, it wasn’t my spam filter but the original poster.  I thought spam 
>> filtration was based more on black / whitelisted IP addresses and then the 
>> proper construction of the message with valid from servers and reverse DNS 
>> and all that jazz.  I didn’t think they actually got in to the message 
>> payload much.  Besides, if someone wants to convince me it’s my bank then 
>> they better find a better way to get through the spam filter because B of A 
>> and insert your bank name here, are very familiar with spell check and 
>> correct English.
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Tyler Thompson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> frequently, poor grammar isn’t just a result of not knowing english 
>>> correctly but also an attempt to get past your spam filter, which, clearly 
>>> worked.
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 12, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Scott  wrote:
 
 You’ think that these people would know to correct their english.  Apple 
 does not write it’s emails like Baboo from Seinfeld!
 
 
> On May 12, 2016, at 10:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> I would say so based on the piss poor grammar. It could be a phishing 
> attempt.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/12/2016 7:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>> What does this mean? Is this a spam message?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> *From: *iCloud Team mailto:jsmith...@aol.com>>
>>> *Subject: **5/12/16*
>>> *Date: *May 12, 2016 at 8:59:36 AM CDT
>>> *To: *bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> Dear bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> Some emails has are being suspended.
>>> 
>>> GET MAILS HERE 
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Re: 5/12/16

[Tyler Thompson]

primarily yes, but since IPs aren’t always static and reverse DNS is easily 
spoofable there are some that do use exact message makeup from a blacklist and 
others that do phrase matching, not saying all work the same however. That 
being said if I was going to phish for a password I might send out a couple 
thousand properly spelled ones and then keep shifting typos and cycling through 
my available IPs through different proxy servers.

> On May 12, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> Well, it wasn’t my spam filter but the original poster.  I thought spam 
> filtration was based more on black / whitelisted IP addresses and then the 
> proper construction of the message with valid from servers and reverse DNS 
> and all that jazz.  I didn’t think they actually got in to the message 
> payload much.  Besides, if someone wants to convince me it’s my bank then 
> they better find a better way to get through the spam filter because B of A 
> and insert your bank name here, are very familiar with spell check and 
> correct English.
>> On May 12, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Tyler Thompson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> frequently, poor grammar isn’t just a result of not knowing english 
>> correctly but also an attempt to get past your spam filter, which, clearly 
>> worked.
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You’ think that these people would know to correct their english.  Apple 
>>> does not write it’s emails like Baboo from Seinfeld!
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 12, 2016, at 10:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 I would say so based on the piss poor grammar. It could be a phishing 
 attempt.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
 On 5/12/2016 7:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
> What does this mean? Is this a spam message?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> *From: *iCloud Team mailto:jsmith...@aol.com>>
>> *Subject: **5/12/16*
>> *Date: *May 12, 2016 at 8:59:36 AM CDT
>> *To: *bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> Dear bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> Some emails has are being suspended.
>> 
>> GET MAILS HERE 
>> 
>> iCloud Care
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Re: 5/12/16

[Scott]

Well, it wasn’t my spam filter but the original poster.  I thought spam 
filtration was based more on black / whitelisted IP addresses and then the 
proper construction of the message with valid from servers and reverse DNS and 
all that jazz.  I didn’t think they actually got in to the message payload 
much.  Besides, if someone wants to convince me it’s my bank then they better 
find a better way to get through the spam filter because B of A and insert your 
bank name here, are very familiar with spell check and correct English.
> On May 12, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Tyler Thompson  
> wrote:
> 
> frequently, poor grammar isn’t just a result of not knowing english correctly 
> but also an attempt to get past your spam filter, which, clearly worked.
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> You’ think that these people would know to correct their english.  Apple 
>> does not write it’s emails like Baboo from Seinfeld!
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 10:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would say so based on the piss poor grammar. It could be a phishing 
>>> attempt.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 5/12/2016 7:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
 What does this mean? Is this a spam message?
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> *From: *iCloud Team mailto:jsmith...@aol.com>>
> *Subject: **5/12/16*
> *Date: *May 12, 2016 at 8:59:36 AM CDT
> *To: *bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
> Dear bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
> Some emails has are being suspended.
> 
> GET MAILS HERE 
> 
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Re: 5/12/16

[Tyler Thompson]

frequently, poor grammar isn’t just a result of not knowing english correctly 
but also an attempt to get past your spam filter, which, clearly worked.


> On May 12, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> You’ think that these people would know to correct their english.  Apple does 
> not write it’s emails like Baboo from Seinfeld!
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 10:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  I would say so based on the piss poor grammar. It could be a phishing 
>> attempt.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 5/12/2016 7:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>>> What does this mean? Is this a spam message?
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 *From: *iCloud Team mailto:jsmith...@aol.com>>
 *Subject: **5/12/16*
 *Date: *May 12, 2016 at 8:59:36 AM CDT
 *To: *bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
 Dear bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
 Some emails has are being suspended.
 
 GET MAILS HERE 
 
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Re: 5/12/16

[John Panarese]

   Oh yeah. Spam for sure. If it was Apple, it would have your full name and 
the writer would speak better English …


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> On May 12, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> What does this mean? Is this a spam message?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: iCloud Team mailto:jsmith...@aol.com>>
>> Subject: 5/12/16
>> Date: May 12, 2016 at 8:59:36 AM CDT
>> To: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> Dear bbssh...@icloud.com 
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>>  Some emails has are being suspended.
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Re: 5/12/16

[Scott]

You’ think that these people would know to correct their english.  Apple does 
not write it’s emails like Baboo from Seinfeld!


> On May 12, 2016, at 10:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I would say so based on the piss poor grammar. It could be a phishing 
> attempt.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/12/2016 7:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>> What does this mean? Is this a spam message?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> *From: *iCloud Team mailto:jsmith...@aol.com>>
>>> *Subject: **5/12/16*
>>> *Date: *May 12, 2016 at 8:59:36 AM CDT
>>> *To: *bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> Dear bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> Some emails has are being suspended.
>>> 
>>> GET MAILS HERE 
>>> 
>>> iCloud Care
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Re: Fwd: 5/12/16

[E.T.]

   I would say so based on the piss poor grammar. It could be a 
phishing attempt.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/12/2016 7:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

What does this mean? Is this a spam message?

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 


Begin forwarded message:

*From: *iCloud Team mailto:jsmith...@aol.com>>
*Subject: **5/12/16*
*Date: *May 12, 2016 at 8:59:36 AM CDT
*To: *bbssh...@icloud.com 

Dear bbssh...@icloud.com 

 Some emails has are being suspended.

GET MAILS HERE 

iCloud Care


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Fwd: 5/12/16

[Shawn Krasniuk]

What does this mean? Is this a spam message?

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: iCloud Team 
> Subject: 5/12/16
> Date: May 12, 2016 at 8:59:36 AM CDT
> To: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
> Dear bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>  
>  Some emails has are being suspended.
> 
> GET MAILS HERE 
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> iCloud Care

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