Question: How To Disable Auto-Complete in Safari in El Capitan?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

When I begin typing in a URL in the Safari location bar (Command+L), the
auto-complete kicks in; I really don't like this feature.  

How can I disable this feature?  

I looked in Safari preferences but cannot seem to find the necessary option.

Could this, perhaps, be a system-wide setting?

All replies greatly appreciated.

mark

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Re: El Capitan

[Kimber Gardner]

How do I know if I'm downloading the update? Please be specific with
keystrokes as I am a total novice.

Thanks,
Kimber

On 7/22/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It's also possible that the installer finished downloading, but it is not
> the application with focus.  Try pressing VO-shift-f1-f1 to bring up the
> Application Chooser and see if the installer is available.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Jul 22, 2016, at 16:35, E.T.  wrote:
>
>   That will happen if there is an Install OS X anywhere on your system.
> Disconnect all external drives and delete that file from Applications and
> dump the trash. Then try again.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 7/22/2016 3:25 PM, Marie Lyons wrote:
>> I had some time today where I didn’t need to use my mac so I decided to
>> download and install the upgrade. It kept pausing and when it only had a
>> minute to go I went and did something else. As it turns out I still have
>> Yosemite. I went back to the app store and attempted the download again.
>> Nothing happened. Then the download link was dimmed. Is there some trick
>> to this?
>>
>> Marie Lyons
>>
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RE: El Capitan

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Marie,

 Have  a look in your applications folder for an install OS X el capitan appp 
and if it's there click on it to run then hopefully it will start the install.

Good luck.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Marie Lyons
Sent: Saturday, 23 July 2016 10:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: El Capitan

I had some time today where I didn’t need to use my mac so I decided to 
download and install the upgrade. It kept pausing and when it only had a minute 
to go I went and did something else. As it turns out I still have Yosemite. I 
went back to the app store and attempted the download again. Nothing happened. 
Then the download link was dimmed. Is there some trick to this? 

Marie Lyons

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RE: remote access

[Simon Fogarty]

You don’t have to but you would if you needed video as the mac mini is just a 
box with ports

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Saturday, 23 July 2016 3:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: remote access

Hi. Do you have to purchase a webcam for the Mac Mini as I couldn’t get 
FaceTime to make a successful call yesterday.
On 22 Jul 2016, at 16:29, Tim Kilburn > 
wrote:

Simon,

As far as I can recall, the best way to do it is to have both a FaceTime 
session and your Screen Sharing session going at the same time.  So, you'll 
have control of the computer and the audio will be heard through the FaceTime 
session.  Otherwise, I don't believe that the sound can be routed through to 
your computer.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 22, 2016, at 04:06, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi List,

I know I’ve asked this before but can’t remember what the outcome was.

Is there any way for a totally blind person to remote desktop or VNC  control 
another Mac computer using voiceover over the remote connection?

I know I can do this fine with windows using Jaws over the RDP connection
But I need a way of doing this with my mac computers.I believe terminal is an 
option using command line but my knowledge of commands for this type of thing 
is not up to scratch as yet.

Any information would be appreciate.

Simon f

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RE: Logitech K800 Keyboard

[Simon Fogarty]

No, just a keyboard,

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Saturday, 23 July 2016 3:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard

Hi. Does that keyboard from Apple have a builtin trackpad? I’m looking for an 
all in one solution as I have the Apple Wired keyboard. 
> On 22 Jul 2016, at 10:54, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I've also got the apple magic2 wifi keyboard, which I've got paired to 
> my iPad and my mac mini, And I also have an apple wired computer with a usb 
> extension cable so I can use it from further away than the standard cable 
> gives.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Friday, 22 July 2016 4:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard
> 
>Or whatever floats your boat (or ark for some). I never had one of those 
> laptops. Well the beauty of it all is that there are as many choices as there 
> are individuals.
> 
>And the day may well come when technology will provide a wireless 
> link to our minds. I will let someone else have a go at that. Its too 
> like the 666 stuff. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/21/2016 7:54 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So I feel like I’ve beamed back to 1985 for a minute where laptops 
>> were like large lunch pails and had 10 inch CRT screens installed and 
>> weighed
>> 50 lbs.
>> 
>> They are really that tricky to move?
>> 
>> What ever works.  For me, especially the new air or MBP they are so 
>> light why bother.  Maybe I’m spoiled because I have more than one but 
>> I just leave them around my work areas and can easily sit back in bed 
>> and do work or in the recliner or where ever.
>> To me a bluetooth or wireless keyboard makes more sense on your 
>> desktop type installations.  Say an iMac where I would as the 
>> original poster mentioned want to sit on my couch and control with 
>> out having to sit at the desk directly in front of it.  Laptops 
>> though to me are already portable and having another keyboard is just 
>> another thing for me to forget to put away and step on.:)
>> 
>> As they say though, different strokes for different folks.  What you 
>> talkin about Willis?
>> 
>> ;)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:29 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ET,
>>> I agree!
>>> its much more convenient to have an external keyboard hooked up to 
>>> the lap top! :) JMO Chuck
>>> 
>>> CHUCK REICHEL
>>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com 
>>> 
>>> 954-742-0019
>>> Isaiah 26 : 3
>>> Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee:
>>> because he trusteth in thee.
>>> 
>>> In GOD I Trust
>>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:09 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> 
  To each his/her own. My MBP has things connected to it and its 
 much heavier than a wireless keyboard. Much more convenient. If you 
 don't want that, that is great.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
 On 7/21/2016 6:01 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
> Hi. Yes I see your point but I personally wouldn’t pair an 
> additional keyboard because these laptops are light enough as it is.
> If I had a bulky Windows laptop hooked up to my speakers! Then I 
> would use an additional keyboard.
>> On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:05, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Keyboard from a distance!
>> 
>> If my air is sitting on my desk and I'm lying on the couch  why 
>> wouldn't I use a wifi keyboard.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib 
>> Hussain
>> Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2016 10:17 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard
>> 
>> Hi. Why would you need another keyboard as the Mac Book Pro and 
>> the Air already have keyboards?
>>> On 20 Jul 2016, at 08:27, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not that model but I have used a 700 series model on my mac book air.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: 

RE: remote access

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim

Yeah I know of things like that but how if you are trying to work on a remote 
machine of your own  can you then enable a facetime connection without someone 
there to enable the connection?

How possible would it be to enable a facetime session via a terminal connection 
/ from the command line.

Now that’s one to get the cogs turning over!
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Saturday, 23 July 2016 3:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: remote access

Simon,

As far as I can recall, the best way to do it is to have both a FaceTime 
session and your Screen Sharing session going at the same time.  So, you'll 
have control of the computer and the audio will be heard through the FaceTime 
session.  Otherwise, I don't believe that the sound can be routed through to 
your computer.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 22, 2016, at 04:06, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi List,

I know I’ve asked this before but can’t remember what the outcome was.

Is there any way for a totally blind person to remote desktop or VNC  control 
another Mac computer using voiceover over the remote connection?

I know I can do this fine with windows using Jaws over the RDP connection
But I need a way of doing this with my mac computers.I believe terminal is an 
option using command line but my knowledge of commands for this type of thing 
is not up to scratch as yet.

Any information would be appreciate.

Simon f

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Re: El Capitan

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It's also possible that the installer finished downloading, but it is not the 
application with focus.  Try pressing VO-shift-f1-f1 to bring up the 
Application Chooser and see if the installer is available.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 22, 2016, at 16:35, E.T.  wrote:

  That will happen if there is an Install OS X anywhere on your system. 
Disconnect all external drives and delete that file from Applications and dump 
the trash. Then try again.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/22/2016 3:25 PM, Marie Lyons wrote:
> I had some time today where I didn’t need to use my mac so I decided to 
> download and install the upgrade. It kept pausing and when it only had a 
> minute to go I went and did something else. As it turns out I still have 
> Yosemite. I went back to the app store and attempted the download again. 
> Nothing happened. Then the download link was dimmed. Is there some trick to 
> this?
> 
> Marie Lyons
> 

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Re: El Capitan

[E.T.]

   That will happen if there is an Install OS X anywhere on your 
system. Disconnect all external drives and delete that file from 
Applications and dump the trash. Then try again.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/22/2016 3:25 PM, Marie Lyons wrote:

I had some time today where I didn’t need to use my mac so I decided to 
download and install the upgrade. It kept pausing and when it only had a minute 
to go I went and did something else. As it turns out I still have Yosemite. I 
went back to the app store and attempted the download again. Nothing happened. 
Then the download link was dimmed. Is there some trick to this?

Marie Lyons



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El Capitan

[Marie Lyons]

I had some time today where I didn’t need to use my mac so I decided to 
download and install the upgrade. It kept pausing and when it only had a minute 
to go I went and did something else. As it turns out I still have Yosemite. I 
went back to the app store and attempted the download again. Nothing happened. 
Then the download link was dimmed. Is there some trick to this? 

Marie Lyons

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Re: requesting help with running OS 10 as a virtual machine using VMware Fusion

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
i tried that and it just turns the host back on.
i just do not know how to get the host keyboard to work with the virtual 
environment.
> On 23 Jul 2016, at 5:04 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t tried boot mac os from fusion, but I would want to turn VO off on 
> the host before attempting to enable it on the guest.  
> 
> Chris
>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 7:47 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hey all,
>> i have a question about making a mac virtual machine in VMware Fusion.
>> i can set up the Machine by selecting my file to install.
>> the problem is how do i make my mac keyboard control the virtual machine 
>> instead of the main system?
>> i hit tab in VMware Fusion but cmd f5 just starts VO on the physical machine.
>> has anyone had any luck getting this to work?
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> Michael
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Gmail question

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

This may or may not have anything to do with the Mac, but I am curious why I 
find multiple copies of messages I have sent in the trash.  I did not use my 
Gmail account much until I discovered the ease with which one could go through 
list traffic in Mail and started using it for subscriptions.

Larry Thacker Jr.
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Re: [macvoiceover] [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale

[E.T.]

   Correct.

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On 7/22/2016 1:24 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

So even if I don't connect my embosser, I can open the demo and see which 
embossers  are supported?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:20 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  You can still evaluate the demo. I did see several Index embossers in the 
list. Installation was easy.

  An email address is also provided which I will make use of when I put the app 
through its paces.

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On 7/22/2016 9:31 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
It is going to take some major furniture rearranging in order for me to move my 
index from Windows to Mac. I do not want to do that just to find out it doesn't 
work. When the full product comes out, I suppose they will have a list of 
supported printers. At least I hope so.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:

 Install the demo and see if your Index is supported. I imagine this app being 
in its infancy will take time to get it together.

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On 7/22/2016 8:58 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
I have the windows version. And navigation with a screen reader without a 
braille display in that version in a translated document is also worthless. I 
would expect that to be the case unless you have a braille display. I could not 
find anywhere a list of supported printers. I have an index basic D version 
three. I wonder if that one is supported. I'm still not going to buy a beta. 
But eventually, if they iron out all the bugs. Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
wrote:

I was delighted with this news and very willing to buy in if it meant I could 
dispense with my cracked Windows machine.  However, my first experience with 
the demo was not good.  The show-stopper was not being able to send the 
translated document to my old Juliet Classic.  DBT recognizes it but will not 
actually send a document to it.  VO navigation is a bit flakey and utterly 
worthless in a translated document.  I do not have a braille display.  That 
might have made the difference.  The real issue for me though was not being 
able to emboss.  I’m glad I tried the demo first.  From the email exchange I 
had with support, I would suggest waiting at least until the next beta version 
is released before bothering with it, but depending on what you want to do with 
it and what equipment you have, your results may vary.


On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:29 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Its been a long time coming. Can't see paying for a beta but I will install the 
demo and see about that.

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On 7/19/2016 6:46 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
While I personally do not have any plans to purchase a beta, having no
clue how long it will take for the actual final product to come out,
this is still a welcome development on the Mac braille front.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:


*From:* Keith Reedy >
*Date:* July 19, 2016 at 2:57:43 PM PDT
*To:* Voiceover Mac >
*Subject:* *[macvoiceover] Fwd: [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
*Reply-To:* macvoiceo...@freelists.org 



Begin forwarded message:


*From: *"Neal Kuniansky" >
*Subject: **[duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
*Date: *July 19, 2016 at 3:30:34 PM EDT
*To: *>
*Reply-To: *i...@duxsys.com 

*Dear Dux:*
* *
*Announcing NEW DBT MAC;  purchase the Beta now!*
** includes free update to the final 12.1 product & a free year of
upgrades after that.*
* *
*We recommend using DBT MAC with OS X El Capitan.*
*Pricing is $595, the same as for DBT Win. *
*Registered owners of old DBT MAC can UPGRADE FOR ONLY $495.*
* *
*DBT MAC print and braille files are compatible with DBT WIN!*
* *
*Product status as of July 18, 2016:   *
*   * There are limitations on TactileView graphics,*
*   * No auto-save,*
*   * No current support for ViewPlus embossers,*
*   * No current support for the Cosmo embosser,*
*   * Some issues with VoiceOver navigation by word moving  forward.*
*   * Import of Word files does not include reference page markers
from printed page breaks.*
*   * No current support of GOODFEEL files*
* *
*All of these are short term limitations, with the exception of the last*
*two (reference page markers, GOODFEEL files), which may or may not
be available in future releases.*
* *
*Apart from these current limitations and the possibility that some
keyboard shortcuts may change,*

Re: [macvoiceover] [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale

[Mary Otten]

So even if I don't connect my embosser, I can open the demo and see which 
embossers  are supported?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:20 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   You can still evaluate the demo. I did see several Index embossers in the 
> list. Installation was easy.
> 
>   An email address is also provided which I will make use of when I put the 
> app through its paces.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 7/22/2016 9:31 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> It is going to take some major furniture rearranging in order for me to move 
>> my index from Windows to Mac. I do not want to do that just to find out it 
>> doesn't work. When the full product comes out, I suppose they will have a 
>> list of supported printers. At least I hope so.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Install the demo and see if your Index is supported. I imagine this app 
>>> being in its infancy will take time to get it together.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 7/22/2016 8:58 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
 I have the windows version. And navigation with a screen reader without a 
 braille display in that version in a translated document is also 
 worthless. I would expect that to be the case unless you have a braille 
 display. I could not find anywhere a list of supported printers. I have an 
 index basic D version three. I wonder if that one is supported. I'm still 
 not going to buy a beta. But eventually, if they iron out all the bugs. 
 Maybe.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was delighted with this news and very willing to buy in if it meant I 
> could dispense with my cracked Windows machine.  However, my first 
> experience with the demo was not good.  The show-stopper was not being 
> able to send the translated document to my old Juliet Classic.  DBT 
> recognizes it but will not actually send a document to it.  VO navigation 
> is a bit flakey and utterly worthless in a translated document.  I do not 
> have a braille display.  That might have made the difference.  The real 
> issue for me though was not being able to emboss.  I’m glad I tried the 
> demo first.  From the email exchange I had with support, I would suggest 
> waiting at least until the next beta version is released before bothering 
> with it, but depending on what you want to do with it and what equipment 
> you have, your results may vary.
> 
>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:29 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Its been a long time coming. Can't see paying for a beta but I will 
>> install the demo and see about that.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 7/19/2016 6:46 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> While I personally do not have any plans to purchase a beta, having no
>>> clue how long it will take for the actual final product to come out,
>>> this is still a welcome development on the Mac braille front.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 *From:* Keith Reedy >
 *Date:* July 19, 2016 at 2:57:43 PM PDT
 *To:* Voiceover Mac >
 *Subject:* *[macvoiceover] Fwd: [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for 
 sale*
 *Reply-To:* macvoiceo...@freelists.org 
 
 
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
> *From: *"Neal Kuniansky" >
> *Subject: **[duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
> *Date: *July 19, 2016 at 3:30:34 PM EDT
> *To: *>
> *Reply-To: *i...@duxsys.com 
> 
> *Dear Dux:*
> * *
> *Announcing NEW DBT MAC;  purchase the Beta now!*
> ** includes free update to the final 12.1 product & a free year of
> upgrades after that.*
> * *
> *We recommend using DBT MAC with OS X El Capitan.*
> *Pricing is $595, the same as for DBT Win. *
> *Registered owners of old DBT MAC can UPGRADE FOR ONLY $495.*
> * *
> *DBT MAC print and braille files are compatible with DBT WIN!*
> * *
> *Product status as of July 18, 2016:   *
> *   * There are limitations on TactileView graphics,*
> *   * No auto-save,*
> 

Re: [macvoiceover] [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale

[E.T.]

   You can still evaluate the demo. I did see several Index embossers 
in the list. Installation was easy.


   An email address is also provided which I will make use of when I 
put the app through its paces.


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ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/22/2016 9:31 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

It is going to take some major furniture rearranging in order for me to move my 
index from Windows to Mac. I do not want to do that just to find out it doesn't 
work. When the full product comes out, I suppose they will have a list of 
supported printers. At least I hope so.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Install the demo and see if your Index is supported. I imagine this app being 
in its infancy will take time to get it together.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 7/22/2016 8:58 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
I have the windows version. And navigation with a screen reader without a 
braille display in that version in a translated document is also worthless. I 
would expect that to be the case unless you have a braille display. I could not 
find anywhere a list of supported printers. I have an index basic D version 
three. I wonder if that one is supported. I'm still not going to buy a beta. 
But eventually, if they iron out all the bugs. Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
wrote:

I was delighted with this news and very willing to buy in if it meant I could 
dispense with my cracked Windows machine.  However, my first experience with 
the demo was not good.  The show-stopper was not being able to send the 
translated document to my old Juliet Classic.  DBT recognizes it but will not 
actually send a document to it.  VO navigation is a bit flakey and utterly 
worthless in a translated document.  I do not have a braille display.  That 
might have made the difference.  The real issue for me though was not being 
able to emboss.  I’m glad I tried the demo first.  From the email exchange I 
had with support, I would suggest waiting at least until the next beta version 
is released before bothering with it, but depending on what you want to do with 
it and what equipment you have, your results may vary.


On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:29 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Its been a long time coming. Can't see paying for a beta but I will install the 
demo and see about that.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 7/19/2016 6:46 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
While I personally do not have any plans to purchase a beta, having no
clue how long it will take for the actual final product to come out,
this is still a welcome development on the Mac braille front.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:


*From:* Keith Reedy >
*Date:* July 19, 2016 at 2:57:43 PM PDT
*To:* Voiceover Mac >
*Subject:* *[macvoiceover] Fwd: [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
*Reply-To:* macvoiceo...@freelists.org 



Begin forwarded message:


*From: *"Neal Kuniansky" >
*Subject: **[duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
*Date: *July 19, 2016 at 3:30:34 PM EDT
*To: *>
*Reply-To: *i...@duxsys.com 

*Dear Dux:*
* *
*Announcing NEW DBT MAC;  purchase the Beta now!*
** includes free update to the final 12.1 product & a free year of
upgrades after that.*
* *
*We recommend using DBT MAC with OS X El Capitan.*
*Pricing is $595, the same as for DBT Win. *
*Registered owners of old DBT MAC can UPGRADE FOR ONLY $495.*
* *
*DBT MAC print and braille files are compatible with DBT WIN!*
* *
*Product status as of July 18, 2016:   *
*   * There are limitations on TactileView graphics,*
*   * No auto-save,*
*   * No current support for ViewPlus embossers,*
*   * No current support for the Cosmo embosser,*
*   * Some issues with VoiceOver navigation by word moving  forward.*
*   * Import of Word files does not include reference page markers
from printed page breaks.*
*   * No current support of GOODFEEL files*
* *
*All of these are short term limitations, with the exception of the last*
*two (reference page markers, GOODFEEL files), which may or may not
be available in future releases.*
* *
*Apart from these current limitations and the possibility that some
keyboard shortcuts may change,*
*the DBT MAC program is stable.*
* *
*See:*
*http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_mac.asp*
* *
*Contact your local dealer or Duxbury Systems directly!*
*EMAIL: ord...@duxsys.com *
*TEL:  +1-978-204-1773*
*www.DUxburySystems.com *
*Duxbury Systems, Inc.*
*Over 40 years of 

Re: Remapping and/or pressing the applications key in VMware Fusion

[Chris Moore]

hello,
shift + f10 works in fusion for me.  Of course, you need to change the function 
keys to not need the FN modifier in your keyboard prefs.

Chris
> On Jul 21, 2016, at 6:00 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi Josh. If you have Sharp Keys on your Windows VM, you can remap a key to a 
> different key. For example, for my applications key, I changed the right 
> windows key which is the right command key on the Mac to that key. If you 
> need further help with that, you can give me a call on Skype or Facetime if 
> you use any of those and I can assist you by voice.
> 
> Shawn
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> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I am setting up Station Playlist Studio on a Virtual Machine. How do I press 
>> the applications key/its equivalent with Fusion? Shft-F10 appears to work in 
>> Boot Camp, but not Fusion.
>> Since I have a Magic Keyboard now, not being able to use insert is becoming 
>> a problem…
>> Thanks for any help with this matter.
>> 
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a VM sound question

[Bill Holton]

Hi.
Usually I use a USB sound card for my Mac, but today I had to temporarily
relocate, so I connected an old wired external speaker to my mini today, and
although the Mac side sounds fine, the VM side is so scratchy, I can't use
it.   I have a lot of lockups on the Windows 7 and 10 side, and now I am
beginning to wonder if it has something to do with the sound processing.  I
seem to recall a long time ago someone posting a config file line you could
add to a VM config file to give the audio more power.  Does anyone recall
the steps, or have similar issues?
 
Thanks.
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Re: requesting help with running OS 10 as a virtual machine using VMware Fusion

[Chris Moore]

I haven’t tried boot mac os from fusion, but I would want to turn VO off on the 
host before attempting to enable it on the guest.  

Chris
> On Jul 21, 2016, at 7:47 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> i have a question about making a mac virtual machine in VMware Fusion.
> i can set up the Machine by selecting my file to install.
> the problem is how do i make my mac keyboard control the virtual machine 
> instead of the main system?
> i hit tab in VMware Fusion but cmd f5 just starts VO on the physical machine.
> has anyone had any luck getting this to work?
> 
> thanks
> 
> Michael
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Re: login password after latest upgrade

[E.T.]

   Check in System Prefs, User Accounts.

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On 7/22/2016 10:42 AM, don bishop wrote:

Hi all,

Just upgraded to the latest el capitan and the upgrade went smoothly. This is 
on a macbook pro.
Before the upgrade, I could turn on the machine and it would boot ready for use.
After the upgrade, I'm always asked for a password before I can get enterance 
to the machine. Olbiously something chaoged inthe upgrade.
Does anyone know how to bypass the password request? This is the machine 
password, not the apple-id or icloud passwork.
Once I enter the machine lonin password, everything seems to work fine.

Thanks for any help with this,
Don



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adding location to FB pages

[Vaughn Brown]

Hi everyone,

Hope all is well. I am trying to add a location to my FB page. Already
I tried setting the page as local businesses and company/organization.
All I can see is a website address field but no location field. I read
some FB help tips but the steps are not accessible. I've tried using
my Windows with Jaws, Mac with Voiceover, and apparently the pages
settings cannot be modified from the iPhone --  that is what it states
on the FB help center page.

Your insight would be very helpful.

Best,
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Re: Tuneskit Audiobook Converter

[jeff `greene]

Hi Saqib,
1 you download your books using safari from the audible website.
2 move the file from your downloads folder to your audio books folder.
3 launch itunes hit add to library and point it at that folder. It
will ask for your audible user name and password. And you're done!
Jeff


On 7/22/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> Hi. Do I download my purchases from the Audible website or is there an
> Audible app? Sorry I’m slightly confused.
>> On 22 Jul 2016, at 16:29, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Saqib,
>> Audible books play on ITunes without any apps added. Just get an
>> audible account, download whatever book you want, and import it into
>> ITunes. The software I wrote about takes DRM out of audible and ITunes
>> audio books and converts them to mp3.
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> On 7/22/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> Hi. How do you get Audible for the Mac as it’s not coming up in the
>>> Appstore.
 On 22 Jul 2016, at 02:11, jeff `greene  wrote:

 Hi List, The other day Chris wrote and told us about this app that
 would
 remove DRM from audible and itunes audio books. Well, I bought it today
 and its amazing! A big thanks to Chris!
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login password after latest upgrade

[don bishop]

Hi all,

Just upgraded to the latest el capitan and the upgrade went smoothly. This is 
on a macbook pro. 
Before the upgrade, I could turn on the machine and it would boot ready for 
use. 
After the upgrade, I'm always asked for a password before I can get enterance 
to the machine. Olbiously something chaoged inthe upgrade. 
Does anyone know how to bypass the password request? This is the machine 
password, not the apple-id or icloud passwork. 
Once I enter the machine lonin password, everything seems to work fine. 

Thanks for any help with this, 
Don  

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Suggestions for development environment for coding in Perl/Python and R

[Fatemeh Haghighi]

Hi everyone, I am wanting to get back in coding after a long lapse and 
wanted suggestions for what are good development environments accessible by 
the blind programmer community. I will be analyzing genomics data generated 
in my lab so I will be using Perl or Python for scripting and R for 
statistical analysis. I had used Emacs in the past but with the Mac 
keyboard I thought VI/VIM might be easier to use. Are there any extensions 
or configurations that anyone has made to make them more VO friendly? I am 
also open to other development environments, as I will have some learning 
curve in picking up VI so I will just as well consider something else. 
Thank you.

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Re: [macvoiceover] [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale

[Mary Otten]

It is going to take some major furniture rearranging in order for me to move my 
index from Windows to Mac. I do not want to do that just to find out it doesn't 
work. When the full product comes out, I suppose they will have a list of 
supported printers. At least I hope so.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Install the demo and see if your Index is supported. I imagine this app 
> being in its infancy will take time to get it together.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 7/22/2016 8:58 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I have the windows version. And navigation with a screen reader without a 
>> braille display in that version in a translated document is also worthless. 
>> I would expect that to be the case unless you have a braille display. I 
>> could not find anywhere a list of supported printers. I have an index basic 
>> D version three. I wonder if that one is supported. I'm still not going to 
>> buy a beta. But eventually, if they iron out all the bugs. Maybe.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was delighted with this news and very willing to buy in if it meant I 
>>> could dispense with my cracked Windows machine.  However, my first 
>>> experience with the demo was not good.  The show-stopper was not being able 
>>> to send the translated document to my old Juliet Classic.  DBT recognizes 
>>> it but will not actually send a document to it.  VO navigation is a bit 
>>> flakey and utterly worthless in a translated document.  I do not have a 
>>> braille display.  That might have made the difference.  The real issue for 
>>> me though was not being able to emboss.  I’m glad I tried the demo first.  
>>> From the email exchange I had with support, I would suggest waiting at 
>>> least until the next beta version is released before bothering with it, but 
>>> depending on what you want to do with it and what equipment you have, your 
>>> results may vary.
>>> 
 On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:29 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Its been a long time coming. Can't see paying for a beta but I will 
 install the demo and see about that.
 
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> On 7/19/2016 6:46 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> While I personally do not have any plans to purchase a beta, having no
> clue how long it will take for the actual final product to come out,
> this is still a welcome development on the Mac braille front.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> *From:* Keith Reedy > >
>> *Date:* July 19, 2016 at 2:57:43 PM PDT
>> *To:* Voiceover Mac > >
>> *Subject:* *[macvoiceover] Fwd: [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
>> *Reply-To:* macvoiceo...@freelists.org 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> *From: *"Neal Kuniansky" >
>>> *Subject: **[duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
>>> *Date: *July 19, 2016 at 3:30:34 PM EDT
>>> *To: *>
>>> *Reply-To: *i...@duxsys.com 
>>> 
>>> *Dear Dux:*
>>> * *
>>> *Announcing NEW DBT MAC;  purchase the Beta now!*
>>> ** includes free update to the final 12.1 product & a free year of
>>> upgrades after that.*
>>> * *
>>> *We recommend using DBT MAC with OS X El Capitan.*
>>> *Pricing is $595, the same as for DBT Win. *
>>> *Registered owners of old DBT MAC can UPGRADE FOR ONLY $495.*
>>> * *
>>> *DBT MAC print and braille files are compatible with DBT WIN!*
>>> * *
>>> *Product status as of July 18, 2016:   *
>>> *   * There are limitations on TactileView graphics,*
>>> *   * No auto-save,*
>>> *   * No current support for ViewPlus embossers,*
>>> *   * No current support for the Cosmo embosser,*
>>> *   * Some issues with VoiceOver navigation by word moving  forward.*
>>> *   * Import of Word files does not include reference page markers
>>> from printed page breaks.*
>>> *   * No current support of GOODFEEL files*
>>> * *
>>> *All of these are short term limitations, with the exception of the 
>>> last*
>>> *two (reference page markers, GOODFEEL files), which may or may not
>>> be available in future releases.*
>>> * *
>>> *Apart from these current limitations and the possibility that some
>>> keyboard shortcuts may change,*
>>> *the DBT MAC program is stable.*
>>> * *
>>> *See:*
>>> 

Re: [macvoiceover] [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale

[E.T.]

   Install the demo and see if your Index is supported. I imagine this 
app being in its infancy will take time to get it together.


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  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/22/2016 8:58 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

I have the windows version. And navigation with a screen reader without a 
braille display in that version in a translated document is also worthless. I 
would expect that to be the case unless you have a braille display. I could not 
find anywhere a list of supported printers. I have an index basic D version 
three. I wonder if that one is supported. I'm still not going to buy a beta. 
But eventually, if they iron out all the bugs. Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
wrote:

I was delighted with this news and very willing to buy in if it meant I could 
dispense with my cracked Windows machine.  However, my first experience with 
the demo was not good.  The show-stopper was not being able to send the 
translated document to my old Juliet Classic.  DBT recognizes it but will not 
actually send a document to it.  VO navigation is a bit flakey and utterly 
worthless in a translated document.  I do not have a braille display.  That 
might have made the difference.  The real issue for me though was not being 
able to emboss.  I’m glad I tried the demo first.  From the email exchange I 
had with support, I would suggest waiting at least until the next beta version 
is released before bothering with it, but depending on what you want to do with 
it and what equipment you have, your results may vary.


On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:29 AM, E.T.  wrote:

 Its been a long time coming. Can't see paying for a beta but I will install 
the demo and see about that.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 7/19/2016 6:46 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
While I personally do not have any plans to purchase a beta, having no
clue how long it will take for the actual final product to come out,
this is still a welcome development on the Mac braille front.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:


*From:* Keith Reedy >
*Date:* July 19, 2016 at 2:57:43 PM PDT
*To:* Voiceover Mac >
*Subject:* *[macvoiceover] Fwd: [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
*Reply-To:* macvoiceo...@freelists.org 



Begin forwarded message:


*From: *"Neal Kuniansky" >
*Subject: **[duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
*Date: *July 19, 2016 at 3:30:34 PM EDT
*To: *>
*Reply-To: *i...@duxsys.com 

*Dear Dux:*
* *
*Announcing NEW DBT MAC;  purchase the Beta now!*
** includes free update to the final 12.1 product & a free year of
upgrades after that.*
* *
*We recommend using DBT MAC with OS X El Capitan.*
*Pricing is $595, the same as for DBT Win. *
*Registered owners of old DBT MAC can UPGRADE FOR ONLY $495.*
* *
*DBT MAC print and braille files are compatible with DBT WIN!*
* *
*Product status as of July 18, 2016:   *
*   * There are limitations on TactileView graphics,*
*   * No auto-save,*
*   * No current support for ViewPlus embossers,*
*   * No current support for the Cosmo embosser,*
*   * Some issues with VoiceOver navigation by word moving  forward.*
*   * Import of Word files does not include reference page markers
from printed page breaks.*
*   * No current support of GOODFEEL files*
* *
*All of these are short term limitations, with the exception of the last*
*two (reference page markers, GOODFEEL files), which may or may not
be available in future releases.*
* *
*Apart from these current limitations and the possibility that some
keyboard shortcuts may change,*
*the DBT MAC program is stable.*
* *
*See:*
*http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_mac.asp*
* *
*Contact your local dealer or Duxbury Systems directly!*
*EMAIL: ord...@duxsys.com *
*TEL:  +1-978-204-1773*
*www.DUxburySystems.com *
*Duxbury Systems, Inc.*
*Over 40 years of service to braille literacy.*



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Re: [macvoiceover] [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale

[E.T.]

   I am not surprised about the Juliet Classic which I have also. I 
will install the app today and look it over.


   I do want to see if this app will work with Pages instead of MS Word.

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  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/22/2016 8:55 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

I was delighted with this news and very willing to buy in if it meant I could 
dispense with my cracked Windows machine.  However, my first experience with 
the demo was not good.  The show-stopper was not being able to send the 
translated document to my old Juliet Classic.  DBT recognizes it but will not 
actually send a document to it.  VO navigation is a bit flakey and utterly 
worthless in a translated document.  I do not have a braille display.  That 
might have made the difference.  The real issue for me though was not being 
able to emboss.  I’m glad I tried the demo first.  From the email exchange I 
had with support, I would suggest waiting at least until the next beta version 
is released before bothering with it, but depending on what you want to do with 
it and what equipment you have, your results may vary.


On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:29 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Its been a long time coming. Can't see paying for a beta but I will install 
the demo and see about that.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/19/2016 6:46 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

While I personally do not have any plans to purchase a beta, having no
clue how long it will take for the actual final product to come out,
this is still a welcome development on the Mac braille front.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:


*From:* Keith Reedy >
*Date:* July 19, 2016 at 2:57:43 PM PDT
*To:* Voiceover Mac >
*Subject:* *[macvoiceover] Fwd: [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
*Reply-To:* macvoiceo...@freelists.org 



Begin forwarded message:


*From: *"Neal Kuniansky" >
*Subject: **[duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
*Date: *July 19, 2016 at 3:30:34 PM EDT
*To: *>
*Reply-To: *i...@duxsys.com 

*Dear Dux:*
* *
*Announcing NEW DBT MAC;  purchase the Beta now!*
** includes free update to the final 12.1 product & a free year of
upgrades after that.*
* *
*We recommend using DBT MAC with OS X El Capitan.*
*Pricing is $595, the same as for DBT Win. *
*Registered owners of old DBT MAC can UPGRADE FOR ONLY $495.*
* *
*DBT MAC print and braille files are compatible with DBT WIN!*
* *
*Product status as of July 18, 2016:   *
*   * There are limitations on TactileView graphics,*
*   * No auto-save,*
*   * No current support for ViewPlus embossers,*
*   * No current support for the Cosmo embosser,*
*   * Some issues with VoiceOver navigation by word moving  forward.*
*   * Import of Word files does not include reference page markers
from printed page breaks.*
*   * No current support of GOODFEEL files*
* *
*All of these are short term limitations, with the exception of the last*
*two (reference page markers, GOODFEEL files), which may or may not
be available in future releases.*
* *
*Apart from these current limitations and the possibility that some
keyboard shortcuts may change,*
*the DBT MAC program is stable.*
* *
*See:*
*http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_mac.asp*
* *
*Contact your local dealer or Duxbury Systems directly!*
*EMAIL: ord...@duxsys.com *
*TEL:  +1-978-204-1773*
*www.DUxburySystems.com *
*Duxbury Systems, Inc.*
*Over 40 years of service to braille literacy.*



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Re: [macvoiceover] [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

I was delighted with this news and very willing to buy in if it meant I could 
dispense with my cracked Windows machine.  However, my first experience with 
the demo was not good.  The show-stopper was not being able to send the 
translated document to my old Juliet Classic.  DBT recognizes it but will not 
actually send a document to it.  VO navigation is a bit flakey and utterly 
worthless in a translated document.  I do not have a braille display.  That 
might have made the difference.  The real issue for me though was not being 
able to emboss.  I’m glad I tried the demo first.  From the email exchange I 
had with support, I would suggest waiting at least until the next beta version 
is released before bothering with it, but depending on what you want to do with 
it and what equipment you have, your results may vary.

> On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:29 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Its been a long time coming. Can't see paying for a beta but I will install 
> the demo and see about that.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/19/2016 6:46 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> While I personally do not have any plans to purchase a beta, having no
>> clue how long it will take for the actual final product to come out,
>> this is still a welcome development on the Mac braille front.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> *From:* Keith Reedy >> >
>>> *Date:* July 19, 2016 at 2:57:43 PM PDT
>>> *To:* Voiceover Mac >> >
>>> *Subject:* *[macvoiceover] Fwd: [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
>>> *Reply-To:* macvoiceo...@freelists.org 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 *From: *"Neal Kuniansky" >
 *Subject: **[duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
 *Date: *July 19, 2016 at 3:30:34 PM EDT
 *To: *>
 *Reply-To: *i...@duxsys.com 
 
 *Dear Dux:*
 * *
 *Announcing NEW DBT MAC;  purchase the Beta now!*
 ** includes free update to the final 12.1 product & a free year of
 upgrades after that.*
 * *
 *We recommend using DBT MAC with OS X El Capitan.*
 *Pricing is $595, the same as for DBT Win. *
 *Registered owners of old DBT MAC can UPGRADE FOR ONLY $495.*
 * *
 *DBT MAC print and braille files are compatible with DBT WIN!*
 * *
 *Product status as of July 18, 2016:   *
 *   * There are limitations on TactileView graphics,*
 *   * No auto-save,*
 *   * No current support for ViewPlus embossers,*
 *   * No current support for the Cosmo embosser,*
 *   * Some issues with VoiceOver navigation by word moving  forward.*
 *   * Import of Word files does not include reference page markers
 from printed page breaks.*
 *   * No current support of GOODFEEL files*
 * *
 *All of these are short term limitations, with the exception of the last*
 *two (reference page markers, GOODFEEL files), which may or may not
 be available in future releases.*
 * *
 *Apart from these current limitations and the possibility that some
 keyboard shortcuts may change,*
 *the DBT MAC program is stable.*
 * *
 *See:*
 *http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_mac.asp*
 * *
 *Contact your local dealer or Duxbury Systems directly!*
 *EMAIL: ord...@duxsys.com *
 *TEL:  +1-978-204-1773*
 *www.DUxburySystems.com *
 *Duxbury Systems, Inc.*
 *Over 40 years of service to braille literacy.*
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Re: [macvoiceover] [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale

[Mary Otten]

I have the windows version. And navigation with a screen reader without a 
braille display in that version in a translated document is also worthless. I 
would expect that to be the case unless you have a braille display. I could not 
find anywhere a list of supported printers. I have an index basic D version 
three. I wonder if that one is supported. I'm still not going to buy a beta. 
But eventually, if they iron out all the bugs. Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> I was delighted with this news and very willing to buy in if it meant I could 
> dispense with my cracked Windows machine.  However, my first experience with 
> the demo was not good.  The show-stopper was not being able to send the 
> translated document to my old Juliet Classic.  DBT recognizes it but will not 
> actually send a document to it.  VO navigation is a bit flakey and utterly 
> worthless in a translated document.  I do not have a braille display.  That 
> might have made the difference.  The real issue for me though was not being 
> able to emboss.  I’m glad I tried the demo first.  From the email exchange I 
> had with support, I would suggest waiting at least until the next beta 
> version is released before bothering with it, but depending on what you want 
> to do with it and what equipment you have, your results may vary.
> 
>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:29 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Its been a long time coming. Can't see paying for a beta but I will install 
>> the demo and see about that.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 7/19/2016 6:46 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> While I personally do not have any plans to purchase a beta, having no
>>> clue how long it will take for the actual final product to come out,
>>> this is still a welcome development on the Mac braille front.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 *From:* Keith Reedy >
 *Date:* July 19, 2016 at 2:57:43 PM PDT
 *To:* Voiceover Mac >
 *Subject:* *[macvoiceover] Fwd: [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
 *Reply-To:* macvoiceo...@freelists.org 
 
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
> *From: *"Neal Kuniansky" >
> *Subject: **[duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale*
> *Date: *July 19, 2016 at 3:30:34 PM EDT
> *To: *>
> *Reply-To: *i...@duxsys.com 
> 
> *Dear Dux:*
> * *
> *Announcing NEW DBT MAC;  purchase the Beta now!*
> ** includes free update to the final 12.1 product & a free year of
> upgrades after that.*
> * *
> *We recommend using DBT MAC with OS X El Capitan.*
> *Pricing is $595, the same as for DBT Win. *
> *Registered owners of old DBT MAC can UPGRADE FOR ONLY $495.*
> * *
> *DBT MAC print and braille files are compatible with DBT WIN!*
> * *
> *Product status as of July 18, 2016:   *
> *   * There are limitations on TactileView graphics,*
> *   * No auto-save,*
> *   * No current support for ViewPlus embossers,*
> *   * No current support for the Cosmo embosser,*
> *   * Some issues with VoiceOver navigation by word moving  forward.*
> *   * Import of Word files does not include reference page markers
> from printed page breaks.*
> *   * No current support of GOODFEEL files*
> * *
> *All of these are short term limitations, with the exception of the last*
> *two (reference page markers, GOODFEEL files), which may or may not
> be available in future releases.*
> * *
> *Apart from these current limitations and the possibility that some
> keyboard shortcuts may change,*
> *the DBT MAC program is stable.*
> * *
> *See:*
> *http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_mac.asp*
> * *
> *Contact your local dealer or Duxbury Systems directly!*
> *EMAIL: ord...@duxsys.com *
> *TEL:  +1-978-204-1773*
> *www.DUxburySystems.com *
> *Duxbury Systems, Inc.*
> *Over 40 years of service to braille literacy.*
 
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Re: remote access

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Or you could just do a FaceTime audio call instead.  No need for video in this 
case.  If you are wishing for video as part of your FaceTime call, then a 
web-cam will be needed.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 22, 2016, at 09:36, Saqib Hussain  wrote:

Hi. Do you have to purchase a webcam for the Mac Mini as I couldn’t get 
FaceTime to make a successful call yesterday. 
> On 22 Jul 2016, at 16:29, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Simon,
> 
> As far as I can recall, the best way to do it is to have both a FaceTime 
> session and your Screen Sharing session going at the same time.  So, you'll 
> have control of the computer and the audio will be heard through the FaceTime 
> session.  Otherwise, I don't believe that the sound can be routed through to 
> your computer.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 22, 2016, at 04:06, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I know I’ve asked this before but can’t remember what the outcome was.
>  
> Is there any way for a totally blind person to remote desktop or VNC  control 
> another Mac computer using voiceover over the remote connection?
>  
> I know I can do this fine with windows using Jaws over the RDP connection
> But I need a way of doing this with my mac computers.I believe terminal is an 
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>  
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>  
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Re: remote access

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Saqib,
Yes I did for my mac mini when I was using it for that.
Thats why the mac mini costs less no camera built in. :)
HTH
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On Jul 22, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:

> Hi. Do you have to purchase a webcam for the Mac Mini as I couldn’t get 
> FaceTime to make a successful call yesterday. 
>> On 22 Jul 2016, at 16:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Simon,
>> 
>> As far as I can recall, the best way to do it is to have both a FaceTime 
>> session and your Screen Sharing session going at the same time.  So, you'll 
>> have control of the computer and the audio will be heard through the 
>> FaceTime session.  Otherwise, I don't believe that the sound can be routed 
>> through to your computer.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 04:06, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> I know I’ve asked this before but can’t remember what the outcome was.
>>  
>> Is there any way for a totally blind person to remote desktop or VNC  
>> control another Mac computer using voiceover over the remote connection?
>>  
>> I know I can do this fine with windows using Jaws over the RDP connection
>> But I need a way of doing this with my mac computers.I believe terminal is 
>> an option using command line but my knowledge of commands for this type of 
>> thing is not up to scratch as yet.
>>  
>> Any information would be appreciate.
>>  
>> Simon f
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Re: Tuneskit Audiobook Converter

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Do I download my purchases from the Audible website or is there an Audible 
app? Sorry I’m slightly confused. 
> On 22 Jul 2016, at 16:29, jeff `greene  wrote:
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> Hi Saqib,
> Audible books play on ITunes without any apps added. Just get an
> audible account, download whatever book you want, and import it into
> ITunes. The software I wrote about takes DRM out of audible and ITunes
> audio books and converts them to mp3.
> Jeff
> 
> 
> On 7/22/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> Hi. How do you get Audible for the Mac as it’s not coming up in the
>> Appstore.
>>> On 22 Jul 2016, at 02:11, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List, The other day Chris wrote and told us about this app that would
>>> remove DRM from audible and itunes audio books. Well, I bought it today
>>> and its amazing! A big thanks to Chris!
>>> Jeff
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Re: remote access

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Do you have to purchase a webcam for the Mac Mini as I couldn’t get 
FaceTime to make a successful call yesterday. 
> On 22 Jul 2016, at 16:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Simon,
> 
> As far as I can recall, the best way to do it is to have both a FaceTime 
> session and your Screen Sharing session going at the same time.  So, you'll 
> have control of the computer and the audio will be heard through the FaceTime 
> session.  Otherwise, I don't believe that the sound can be routed through to 
> your computer.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 22, 2016, at 04:06, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I know I’ve asked this before but can’t remember what the outcome was.
>  
> Is there any way for a totally blind person to remote desktop or VNC  control 
> another Mac computer using voiceover over the remote connection?
>  
> I know I can do this fine with windows using Jaws over the RDP connection
> But I need a way of doing this with my mac computers.I believe terminal is an 
> option using command line but my knowledge of commands for this type of thing 
> is not up to scratch as yet.
>  
> Any information would be appreciate.
>  
> Simon f
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Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Does that keyboard from Apple have a builtin trackpad? I’m looking for an 
all in one solution as I have the Apple Wired keyboard. 
> On 22 Jul 2016, at 10:54, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I've also got the apple magic2 wifi keyboard, which I've got paired to my 
> iPad and my mac mini,
> And I also have an apple wired computer with a usb extension cable so I can 
> use it from further away than the standard cable gives.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Friday, 22 July 2016 4:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard
> 
>Or whatever floats your boat (or ark for some). I never had one of those 
> laptops. Well the beauty of it all is that there are as many choices as there 
> are individuals.
> 
>And the day may well come when technology will provide a wireless link to 
> our minds. I will let someone else have a go at that. Its too like the 666 
> stuff. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/21/2016 7:54 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So I feel like I’ve beamed back to 1985 for a minute where laptops 
>> were like large lunch pails and had 10 inch CRT screens installed and 
>> weighed
>> 50 lbs.
>> 
>> They are really that tricky to move?
>> 
>> What ever works.  For me, especially the new air or MBP they are so 
>> light why bother.  Maybe I’m spoiled because I have more than one but 
>> I just leave them around my work areas and can easily sit back in bed 
>> and do work or in the recliner or where ever.
>> To me a bluetooth or wireless keyboard makes more sense on your 
>> desktop type installations.  Say an iMac where I would as the original 
>> poster mentioned want to sit on my couch and control with out having 
>> to sit at the desk directly in front of it.  Laptops though to me are 
>> already portable and having another keyboard is just another thing for 
>> me to forget to put away and step on.:)
>> 
>> As they say though, different strokes for different folks.  What you 
>> talkin about Willis?
>> 
>> ;)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:29 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ET,
>>> I agree!
>>> its much more convenient to have an external keyboard hooked up to 
>>> the lap top! :) JMO Chuck
>>> 
>>> CHUCK REICHEL
>>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com 
>>> 954-742-0019
>>> Isaiah 26 : 3
>>> Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee:
>>> because he trusteth in thee.
>>> 
>>> In GOD I Trust
>>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:09 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> 
  To each his/her own. My MBP has things connected to it and its 
 much heavier than a wireless keyboard. Much more convenient. If you 
 don't want that, that is great.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
 On 7/21/2016 6:01 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
> Hi. Yes I see your point but I personally wouldn’t pair an 
> additional keyboard because these laptops are light enough as it is.
> If I had a bulky Windows laptop hooked up to my speakers! Then I 
> would use an additional keyboard.
>> On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:05, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Keyboard from a distance!
>> 
>> If my air is sitting on my desk and I'm lying on the couch  why 
>> wouldn't I use a wifi keyboard.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib 
>> Hussain
>> Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2016 10:17 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard
>> 
>> Hi. Why would you need another keyboard as the Mac Book Pro and 
>> the Air already have keyboards?
>>> On 20 Jul 2016, at 08:27, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not that model but I have used a 700 series model on my mac book air.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:14 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries >> >
>>> Subject: Logitech K800 Keyboard
>>> 
>>> Curious if anyone uses this keyboard on a Macbook Pro. Its a 
>>> 

Re: Fwd: [macvoiceover] Fwd: [duxnews] DBT for Mac BETA now for sale

[E.T.]

   Its been a long time coming. Can't see paying for a beta but I will 
install the demo and see about that.


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On 7/19/2016 6:46 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

While I personally do not have any plans to purchase a beta, having no
clue how long it will take for the actual final product to come out,
this is still a welcome development on the Mac braille front.
Mary


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Re: remote access

[Tim Kilburn]

Simon,

As far as I can recall, the best way to do it is to have both a FaceTime 
session and your Screen Sharing session going at the same time.  So, you'll 
have control of the computer and the audio will be heard through the FaceTime 
session.  Otherwise, I don't believe that the sound can be routed through to 
your computer.

Later...

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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 22, 2016, at 04:06, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi List,
 
I know I’ve asked this before but can’t remember what the outcome was.
 
Is there any way for a totally blind person to remote desktop or VNC  control 
another Mac computer using voiceover over the remote connection?
 
I know I can do this fine with windows using Jaws over the RDP connection
But I need a way of doing this with my mac computers.I believe terminal is an 
option using command line but my knowledge of commands for this type of thing 
is not up to scratch as yet.
 
Any information would be appreciate.
 
Simon f

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Re: Tuneskit Audiobook Converter

[jeff `greene]

Hi Saqib,
Audible books play on ITunes without any apps added. Just get an
audible account, download whatever book you want, and import it into
ITunes. The software I wrote about takes DRM out of audible and ITunes
audio books and converts them to mp3.
Jeff


On 7/22/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> Hi. How do you get Audible for the Mac as it’s not coming up in the
> Appstore.
>> On 22 Jul 2016, at 02:11, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>
>> Hi List, The other day Chris wrote and told us about this app that would
>> remove DRM from audible and itunes audio books. Well, I bought it today
>> and its amazing! A big thanks to Chris!
>> Jeff
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Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard

[E.T.]

   Yes those so very talented humans who design the products we enjoy. 
They are awesome designers. Reminds me of Leonardi da Vinci.


   Little green men? Chuck, you best make an appointment with Dr. Phil 
and let him help you get a grip before your mind goes completely.


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On 7/22/2016 7:22 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi ET,
I agree its quite amazing how the "DESIGNERS" of this technology we take for 
granted has developed in the last 10 years!
I wonder if the little green men had similar tech! :)
Remember its for man to invent and discover!
YMMV
Chuck
On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:02 PM, E.T. wrote:


  Its incredible how this technology has evolved in such a short time. The 
human race has been around for 200,000 years and this advanced technology only 
really began in the 18th century, less than 300 years ago. And now we actually 
have Dick Tracy watches.

  I like to think that there are photos and videos from the moon landings and 
fly bys that remain classified. Alien footprints, moon bases. Etc.

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On 7/21/2016 3:28 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

To bring this back on topic, how about the early Apple 2C computer that had the 
separate 10 inch CRT monitor that was only 20 lbs instead of the full sized 70 
lbs color monitor.  The computer itself was sort of a laptop like but very 
squared form factor, very weird design because you had really no card slots to 
speak of and I believe it was a 3.5 inch disk.  It was pretty clever.
My first laptop was a Toshiba 286 12 megahertz (yes twelve megahertz) 
dos machine with an Artic synthesizer that fit in a special slot and business 
vision as the screen reader.

Word Perfect 51 baby! :)

Good times
Even with things like accessibility it’s amazing how far we’ve come but also 
what we were able to accomplish even back in the day with limited resources.

In the interest of the date let’s remember that 47 years ago right now 3 brave 
humans were streaking back to earth having successfully landed on the moon.  
Why mention this in an apple forum, your iPhone today has more computing power 
than the entire Apollo program.  In fact several times. So get out there and do 
something special with all that capability.:)

And for ET, some people think Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin might have had a 
cheering section waiting for them when they landed on the surface.



On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Kimber Gardner  wrote:

Remember the old Compaq? They called it a "portable" but that was only
if you happened to be a weight-lifter. I actually bought a little cart
with wheels so I could truck the thing around with me. Lol! Ah, the
memories!

Yes, aI am that old. 


On 7/21/16, Scott Granados  wrote:

So I feel like I’ve beamed back to 1985 for a minute where laptops were like
large lunch pails and had 10 inch CRT screens installed and weighed 50 lbs.

They are really that tricky to move?

What ever works.  For me, especially the new air or MBP they are so light
why bother.  Maybe I’m spoiled because I have more than one but I just leave
them around my work areas and can easily sit back in bed and do work or in
the recliner or where ever.
To me a bluetooth or wireless keyboard makes more sense on your desktop type
installations.  Say an iMac where I would as the original poster mentioned
want to sit on my couch and control with out having to sit at the desk
directly in front of it.  Laptops though to me are already portable and
having another keyboard is just another thing for me to forget to put away
and step on.:)

As they say though, different strokes for different folks.  What you talkin
about Willis?

;)




On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:29 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
 wrote:

Hi ET,
I agree!
its much more convenient to have an external keyboard hooked up to the lap
top! :)
JMO
Chuck

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954-742-0019
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Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee:
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In GOD I Trust

On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:09 AM, E.T. wrote:


To each his/her own. My MBP has things connected to it and its much
heavier than a wireless keyboard. Much more convenient. If you don't want
that, that is great.

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On 7/21/2016 6:01 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:

Hi. Yes I see your point but I personally wouldn’t pair an additional
keyboard because these laptops are light enough as it is. If I had a
bulky Windows laptop hooked up to my speakers! Then I would use an
additional keyboard.

On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:05, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Keyboard from a 

Re: Tuneskit Audiobook Converter

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. How do you get Audible for the Mac as it’s not coming up in the Appstore. 
> On 22 Jul 2016, at 02:11, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi List, The other day Chris wrote and told us about this app that would 
> remove DRM from audible and itunes audio books. Well, I bought it today and 
> its amazing! A big thanks to Chris!
> Jeff
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Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi ET,
I agree its quite amazing how the "DESIGNERS" of this technology we take for 
granted has developed in the last 10 years!
I wonder if the little green men had similar tech! :)
Remember its for man to invent and discover!
YMMV
Chuck
On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:02 PM, E.T. wrote:

>   Its incredible how this technology has evolved in such a short time. The 
> human race has been around for 200,000 years and this advanced technology 
> only really began in the 18th century, less than 300 years ago. And now we 
> actually have Dick Tracy watches.
> 
>   I like to think that there are photos and videos from the moon landings and 
> fly bys that remain classified. Alien footprints, moon bases. Etc.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/21/2016 3:28 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> To bring this back on topic, how about the early Apple 2C computer that had 
>> the separate 10 inch CRT monitor that was only 20 lbs instead of the full 
>> sized 70 lbs color monitor.  The computer itself was sort of a laptop like 
>> but very squared form factor, very weird design because you had really no 
>> card slots to speak of and I believe it was a 3.5 inch disk.  It was pretty 
>> clever.
>>  My first laptop was a Toshiba 286 12 megahertz (yes twelve megahertz) 
>> dos machine with an Artic synthesizer that fit in a special slot and 
>> business vision as the screen reader.
>> 
>> Word Perfect 51 baby! :)
>> 
>> Good times
>> Even with things like accessibility it’s amazing how far we’ve come but also 
>> what we were able to accomplish even back in the day with limited resources.
>> 
>> In the interest of the date let’s remember that 47 years ago right now 3 
>> brave humans were streaking back to earth having successfully landed on the 
>> moon.  Why mention this in an apple forum, your iPhone today has more 
>> computing power than the entire Apollo program.  In fact several times. So 
>> get out there and do something special with all that capability.:)
>> 
>> And for ET, some people think Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin might have had 
>> a cheering section waiting for them when they landed on the surface.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Kimber Gardner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Remember the old Compaq? They called it a "portable" but that was only
>>> if you happened to be a weight-lifter. I actually bought a little cart
>>> with wheels so I could truck the thing around with me. Lol! Ah, the
>>> memories!
>>> 
>>> Yes, aI am that old. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/21/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
 So I feel like I’ve beamed back to 1985 for a minute where laptops were 
 like
 large lunch pails and had 10 inch CRT screens installed and weighed 50 lbs.
 
 They are really that tricky to move?
 
 What ever works.  For me, especially the new air or MBP they are so light
 why bother.  Maybe I’m spoiled because I have more than one but I just 
 leave
 them around my work areas and can easily sit back in bed and do work or in
 the recliner or where ever.
 To me a bluetooth or wireless keyboard makes more sense on your desktop 
 type
 installations.  Say an iMac where I would as the original poster mentioned
 want to sit on my couch and control with out having to sit at the desk
 directly in front of it.  Laptops though to me are already portable and
 having another keyboard is just another thing for me to forget to put away
 and step on.:)
 
 As they say though, different strokes for different folks.  What you talkin
 about Willis?
 
 ;)
 
 
 
> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:29 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi ET,
> I agree!
> its much more convenient to have an external keyboard hooked up to the lap
> top! :)
> JMO
> Chuck
> 
> CHUCK REICHEL
> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
> www.SoundPictureRecording.com 
> 954-742-0019
> Isaiah 26 : 3
> Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee:
> because he trusteth in thee.
> 
> In GOD I Trust
> 
> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:09 AM, E.T. wrote:
> 
>> To each his/her own. My MBP has things connected to it and its much
>> heavier than a wireless keyboard. Much more convenient. If you don't want
>> that, that is great.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> On 7/21/2016 6:01 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>>> Hi. Yes I see your point but I personally wouldn’t pair an additional
>>> keyboard because these laptops are light enough as it is. If I had a
>>> bulky Windows laptop hooked up to my speakers! Then I would use an
>>> additional 

remote access

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi List,

I know I've asked this before but can't remember what the outcome was.

Is there any way for a totally blind person to remote desktop or VNC  control 
another Mac computer using voiceover over the remote connection?

I know I can do this fine with windows using Jaws over the RDP connection
But I need a way of doing this with my mac computers.I believe terminal is an 
option using command line but my knowledge of commands for this type of thing 
is not up to scratch as yet.

Any information would be appreciate.

Simon f

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RE: Logitech K800 Keyboard

[Simon Fogarty]

I've also got the apple magic2 wifi keyboard, which I've got paired to my iPad 
and my mac mini,
And I also have an apple wired computer with a usb extension cable so I can use 
it from further away than the standard cable gives.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Friday, 22 July 2016 4:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard

Or whatever floats your boat (or ark for some). I never had one of those 
laptops. Well the beauty of it all is that there are as many choices as there 
are individuals.

And the day may well come when technology will provide a wireless link to 
our minds. I will let someone else have a go at that. Its too like the 666 
stuff. (smiles)

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On 7/21/2016 7:54 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> So I feel like I’ve beamed back to 1985 for a minute where laptops 
> were like large lunch pails and had 10 inch CRT screens installed and 
> weighed
> 50 lbs.
>
> They are really that tricky to move?
>
> What ever works.  For me, especially the new air or MBP they are so 
> light why bother.  Maybe I’m spoiled because I have more than one but 
> I just leave them around my work areas and can easily sit back in bed 
> and do work or in the recliner or where ever.
> To me a bluetooth or wireless keyboard makes more sense on your 
> desktop type installations.  Say an iMac where I would as the original 
> poster mentioned want to sit on my couch and control with out having 
> to sit at the desk directly in front of it.  Laptops though to me are 
> already portable and having another keyboard is just another thing for 
> me to forget to put away and step on.:)
>
> As they say though, different strokes for different folks.  What you 
> talkin about Willis?
>
> ;)
>
>
>
>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:29 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Hi ET,
>> I agree!
>> its much more convenient to have an external keyboard hooked up to 
>> the lap top! :) JMO Chuck
>>
>> CHUCK REICHEL
>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com 
>> 954-742-0019
>> Isaiah 26 : 3
>>  Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee:
>> because he trusteth in thee.
>>
>> In GOD I Trust
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:09 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>
>>>   To each his/her own. My MBP has things connected to it and its 
>>> much heavier than a wireless keyboard. Much more convenient. If you 
>>> don't want that, that is great.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>
>>> On 7/21/2016 6:01 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
 Hi. Yes I see your point but I personally wouldn’t pair an 
 additional keyboard because these laptops are light enough as it is.
 If I had a bulky Windows laptop hooked up to my speakers! Then I 
 would use an additional keyboard.
> On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:05, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>
> Keyboard from a distance!
>
> If my air is sitting on my desk and I'm lying on the couch  why 
> wouldn't I use a wifi keyboard.
>
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib 
> Hussain
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard
>
> Hi. Why would you need another keyboard as the Mac Book Pro and 
> the Air already have keyboards?
>> On 20 Jul 2016, at 08:27, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>>
>> Not that model but I have used a 700 series model on my mac book air.
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:14 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries > >
>> Subject: Logitech K800 Keyboard
>>
>>  Curious if anyone uses this keyboard on a Macbook Pro. Its a 
>> wireless model, not Bluetooth, uses a USB transmitter.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
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[Simon Fogarty]

I use that Logitech keyboard on my air, my mini and my windows servers when I 
need to use them  unless I'm using remote desktop from my notebook via windows.

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Sent: Friday, 22 July 2016 1:01 AM
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Hi. Yes I see your point but I personally wouldn’t pair an additional keyboard 
because these laptops are light enough as it is. If I had a bulky Windows 
laptop hooked up to my speakers! Then I would use an additional keyboard. 
> On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:05, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Keyboard from a distance!
> 
> If my air is sitting on my desk and I'm lying on the couch  why wouldn't I 
> use a wifi keyboard.
> 
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> Subject: Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard
> 
> Hi. Why would you need another keyboard as the Mac Book Pro and the Air 
> already have keyboards? 
>> On 20 Jul 2016, at 08:27, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Not that model but I have used a 700 series model on my mac book air.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:14 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Logitech K800 Keyboard
>> 
>>   Curious if anyone uses this keyboard on a Macbook Pro. Its a wireless 
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>> 
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RE: swift playgroupnd

[Simon Fogarty]

Avid,

Thanks for that, Might hve to install the beta to my iPad.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2016 10:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: swift playgroupnd

According to a blind programmer who is on the Swift Playground team, Swift 
Playground is fully accessible.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 21 Jul 2016, at 20:59, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
Hi Donna,

I didn’t know it was available yet.

I’m keen to know how accessible it is before I go getting it.

But very interested.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2016 1:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: swift playgroupnd

I was actually hoping to buy it.  So I hope it does work on the iPhone, because 
I don't have an iPad.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jul 20, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Donna I was just wondering that myself.

My iPhone 6s+ is not much smaller than my iPad mini 4.

Go figure.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, 19 July 2016 11:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: swift playgroupnd

Hi Alex,

Does that mean that it cannot be run on an iPhone?
thanks,
Donna

On Jul 19, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Alex Hall 
> wrote:

The app will be available for everyone, for free, but it can only run on an 
iPad running iOS10. Right now, it's available for those running iOS10 betas as 
part of their testing.
On Jul 19, 2016, at 06:46, Ben J. Bloomgren 
> wrote:

Simon,

As far as I can tell, it'll be available for everybody, being that it's 
supposed to be a helper for people who want to learn to program for Apple's 
apps.

Ben

On 7/19/2016 2:28, Simon Fogarty wrote:
Hi List,

I was just wondering about the swift Playground  dev app that is to be released 
some time this year.

Is that to be available for everyone or only available for Developers?

Does anyone know if its available yet or is it only currently in a dev or beta 
state

Thanks for any information re this.
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