RE: time machine "disc is to small" dialogue

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chuck,

Have you checked the format of the disk?
Just make sure it’s not formatted as fat32 as it wont do well with file sizes 
over 4gig

Mac os journaled iss the best format to use in these situaitons

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: Sunday, 28 August 2016 2:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: time machine "disc is to small" dialogue

Hi Simon,
I first erased and partitioned the glyph 2 gig as 2 partitions 1 tb and the 
second was just about 1 tb.
Thats when things started to time machine whack out!
It said there wasn't enough space on one of those 1 tb partitions.
my mac hd that i'm backing up has 621.04 GB on disk
next i erased it again, and just left it as a 2 tb drive thinking this would 
solve the space issue and it still gave me that dialogue.
It did say, do you want to use this disk for time machine I said yes and it 
started backing up and then got that error!
I'm not sure if i should search out the plist for time machine and trash it or 
what?
this is on my mac pro running snow leopard that this is happening, my el 
capitan box is backing up fine?
Thanks again for the help. :)
Chuck


On Aug 27, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:


Hi,

It wont have the space if it hasn’t been partitioned correctly or formatted to 
the correct file system.

I would go into disk utilities and re partition the drive either as one or two 
2 gives you the option of other drive space for storage rather than backup.

And 2. Make sure the partition is set to mac os journaled
And once that is done the machine should tell you there is a ddrive plugged in 
and it shold going by what I’ve had happen ask if you wish to use the drive for 
time machine.

Good luck and hope that helps.,



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2016 8:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: time machine "disc is to small" dialogue

Hi List,
I'm getting a time machine dialogue saying the disc chosen  is to small even 
though its not!
The disc i'm using for the time machine back up, is a glyph 2  tb . in size my 
mac hd that i'm backing up has 621.04 GB on disk
 theres no way a 2 tb drive can't back up a 621.04 GB!

This is happening on my pro tools  studio work box which is a mac pro with snow 
leopard.
My el capitan box is just fine.
any work arounds?
TIA
Chuck

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RE: I devices I grill mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Ah, so it’s a temperature probe.

That makes more sence now.

Interesting that it’s a blue tooth device, and I assume it is left within the 
cooking product or is it removed after being usied for testing of the things 
being cooked temp?

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On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Sunday, 28 August 2016 8:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I devices I grill mini

Since e I seem to be the only other person on the list who knows anything about 
the iGrill, I will spill the rest of my knowledge. J. J. Setoff who always 
presents at blindness conferences in North America and is often on the Blind 
Bargains podcasts sells the iGrill temperature robes and units at his store I 
can't remember the store name, but I do know he is very supportive of our 
community and perhaps if you purchased from him, he can provide support.  .

Also, I found a PDF version of the warranty online that indicates it is a one 
year warranty.

Best wishes,

Jonathan


On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Phil Halton 
mailto:philh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

How about not hijacking the thread and possibly answering original question 
please. Thanks.
BTW, about the original question, I found many many reviews online saying that 
these meet probes fail fairly quickly and fairly regularly. Sent from my IPhone


On Aug 27, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
Is it a Grill then?
On 27 Aug 2016, at 13:32, Jonathan C. Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It is made by Weber. Target and Amazon both sell versions of it. It connects 
via Bluetooth to your smart phone where there is an app that is her accessible.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Aug 27, 2016, at 5:08 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I'm sorry but I have to ask this,

But what is an iGrill mini?

Are apple making ovens now?


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Subject: I devices I grill mini

I've had the I grill mini for a few months now and it seems to be beginning to 
fail, not reading proper temperatures. Are these probes prone to failure after 
a short time? Where can I get a new probe? I've even forgotten where I bought 
the thing.

Sent from my IPhone

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Re: How do i block e-mails on my Mac from senders who have my iCloud address

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

If you know who is sending emails to your iCloud address, then you should go 
into the contacts, find the persons name, edit the contact details, and then 
there should be a block button there and you should be able to block 
everything. I can do this on my iPhone but not sure whether I can do this from 
the Mac.

Kawal.
Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Aug 2016, at 1:53 am, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
> 
> Subject says it all,
> 
> guys,
> How do i block e-mails from my Mac and my iPhone using iOS9?  I gather that 
> it is not possible to block e-mails on my phone.  If that’s true, that sucks. 
>  but, if there’s a recipe, you guys are sure to know it.  
> 
> since i don’t read this list, I’d be very appreciative if anyone answering 
> this note would copy their response to me privately at:
> kevj...@me.com
> 
> thanks,
> Kevin
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Re: How do i block e-mails on my Mac from senders who have my iCloud address

[David Chittenden]

It is easier than that. Just move the email into the spam folder. This tells 
the mail app to do so for all email from that sender. And, the sender never 
knows.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:24, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> If you know who is sending emails to your iCloud address, then you should go 
> into the contacts, find the persons name, edit the contact details, and then 
> there should be a block button there and you should be able to block 
> everything. I can do this on my iPhone but not sure whether I can do this 
> from the Mac.
> 
> Kawal.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 1:53 am, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
>> 
>> Subject says it all,
>> 
>> guys,
>> How do i block e-mails from my Mac and my iPhone using iOS9?  I gather that 
>> it is not possible to block e-mails on my phone.  If that’s true, that 
>> sucks.  but, if there’s a recipe, you guys are sure to know it.  
>> 
>> since i don’t read this list, I’d be very appreciative if anyone answering 
>> this note would copy their response to me privately at:
>> kevj...@me.com
>> 
>> thanks,
>> Kevin
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Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Geoff Stephens]

I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am on. 
The concern is about the destination.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not trust 
> any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the street you are 
> currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. This 
>> is definitely a deal breaker for me.
>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
>> States and Canada.
>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
>>> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other features 
>>> that people like with this app.
>>> /A
 On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Hello Mark.
 
 Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do that 
 or did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it and I’m 
 really glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
 
 Kawal.
> On 20 Aug 2016, at 15:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> I must say that I am extremely impressed with the Nearby Explorer, for 
> iOS, GPS navigation app, developed by the American Printing House for the 
> Blind.  
> 
> So, for your convenience, in either enjoying the app or determining 
> whether or not to purchase it, I am pasting in the complete text of its 
> user manual, below my signature line.
> 
> A couple of things to note, however:
> 
> 1.
> Currently, this app only supports navigation in the United States and 
> Canada.  
> 
> 2.
> At the time of this post, the cost of the app is, in the U.S. App Store 
> anyway, $79.99.
> 
> 3.
> In order to successfully install the app, which includes its built-in map 
> of North America, you must have at least 4GB of free space available on 
> your iOS device.
> 
> 4.
> The direct URL to the online user manual, which includes a in-page 
> hyperlinked table of contents, omitted in this post, is:
> http://tech.aph.org/ne/index.html
> 
> 5.
> I have not edited the contents of this text in any way.  I simply copied 
> the text from the website; therefore some of the formatting may not be 
> consistent with the HTML version of the manual.
> 
> Finally, to you old-timers out there, I am delighted to report that this 
> app reminds me a great deal of the groundbreaking, GPS navigation 
> solution for the blind and low vision that started it all; I am 
> referring, of course, to Code Factory’s Mobile Geo.  
> 
> Okay, on to the show.  
> 
> Enjoy and Happy & Safe Traveling,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Nearby Explorer for iOS User's Guide
> 
> Copyright 2016
> 
> American Printing House for the Blind, Inc.
> 
> 2016/8/19
> 
> Introduction
> 
> When sighted people use a global positioning system (GPS), their main 
> interests are getting directions and/or guidance to a destination. Blind 
> users appreciate these features as well, but generally desire more 
> orientation queues than are available on commercial GPS apps. Nearby 
> Explorer is a GPS app designed to provide these queues. When combined 
> with an accessible interface and customizable, current information about 
> points of interest (POIs), the tools provide a meaningful picture of the 
> vicinity and its characteristics.
> 
> Nearby Explorer works by:
> 1.displaying a screen containing several geography-related categories, 
> letting you turn on the ones of interest (announced as you move). You can 
> put the phone to sleep and continue receiving feedback or examine the 
> values on the screen.
> 2.letting you orient the phone in various positions to get more targeted 
> information about: ◦points of interest (POIs),
> ◦direction and streets, and
> ◦the closest point of interest.
> 
> 3.providing descriptive details such as: ◦intersection configurations as 
> you approach,
> ◦transit stop next time, direction of travel, and head sign for systems 
> in over 30 metro areas,
> ◦distance and adjustable direction to POIs, and
> ◦adjustable scope for prominence and proximity for POI announcements.
> 
> 
> Features
> 
> The information that Nearby Explorer provides helps the blind traveler 
> stay oriented. It shows surrounding and approaching streets, businesses, 
>

Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[David Chittenden]

When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. When 
the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that case, good 
O&M skills will get the person to the location; such skills as asking people in 
the area.

I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent success. 
It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate tool, it is 
another tool.

Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on O&M 
skills without GPS.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
> 
> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
> on. The concern is about the destination.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
>> trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the street 
>> you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. 
>>> This is definitely a deal breaker for me.
>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
>>> States and Canada.
 On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
 Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other features 
 that people like with this app.
 /A
> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark.
> 
> Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do that 
> or did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it and I’m 
> really glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 15:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> I must say that I am extremely impressed with the Nearby Explorer, for 
>> iOS, GPS navigation app, developed by the American Printing House for 
>> the Blind.  
>> 
>> So, for your convenience, in either enjoying the app or determining 
>> whether or not to purchase it, I am pasting in the complete text of its 
>> user manual, below my signature line.
>> 
>> A couple of things to note, however:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Currently, this app only supports navigation in the United States and 
>> Canada.  
>> 
>> 2.
>> At the time of this post, the cost of the app is, in the U.S. App Store 
>> anyway, $79.99.
>> 
>> 3.
>> In order to successfully install the app, which includes its built-in 
>> map of North America, you must have at least 4GB of free space available 
>> on your iOS device.
>> 
>> 4.
>> The direct URL to the online user manual, which includes a in-page 
>> hyperlinked table of contents, omitted in this post, is:
>> http://tech.aph.org/ne/index.html
>> 
>> 5.
>> I have not edited the contents of this text in any way.  I simply copied 
>> the text from the website; therefore some of the formatting may not be 
>> consistent with the HTML version of the manual.
>> 
>> Finally, to you old-timers out there, I am delighted to report that this 
>> app reminds me a great deal of the groundbreaking, GPS navigation 
>> solution for the blind and low vision that started it all; I am 
>> referring, of course, to Code Factory’s Mobile Geo.  
>> 
>> Okay, on to the show.  
>> 
>> Enjoy and Happy & Safe Traveling,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Nearby Explorer for iOS User's Guide
>> 
>> Copyright 2016
>> 
>> American Printing House for the Blind, Inc.
>> 
>> 2016/8/19
>> 
>> Introduction
>> 
>> When sighted people use a global positioning system (GPS), their main 
>> interests are getting directions and/or guidance to a destination. Blind 
>> users appreciate these features as well, but generally desire more 
>> orientation queues than are available on commercial GPS apps. Nearby 
>> Explorer is a GPS app designed to provide these queues. When combined 
>> with an accessible interface and customizable, current information about 
>> points of interest (POIs), the tools provide a meaningful picture of the 
>> vicinity and its characteristics.
>> 
>> Nearby Explorer works by:
>> 1.displaying a screen containing several geography-related categories, 
>> letting you turn on the ones of interest (announced as you move). You 
>> can put the phone to sleep and continue receiving feed

Searching for Express VPN

[Bill Gallik]

OK, I’ve had my interest piqued concerning “Express VPN.”  But when I open “App 
Store” for Mac and search for “Express VPN” I get the following:

- VPN Shield
- Red VPN

Now, of course, I’m looking for a replacement for Avast on my Mac and not my 
iPhone 6.  Are either of the above what I want to install? Or, should I be 
looking for something entirely different for my Mac?



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Re: Searching for Express VPN

[E.T.]

   Unlike the iDevices, you can find OS X apps outside the Mac App 
Store. Do a google search.


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On 8/28/2016 7:21 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:

OK, I’ve had my interest piqued concerning “Express VPN.”  But when I open “App 
Store” for Mac and search for “Express VPN” I get the following:

- VPN Shield
- Red VPN

Now, of course, I’m looking for a replacement for Avast on my Mac and not my 
iPhone 6.  Are either of the above what I want to install? Or, should I be 
looking for something entirely different for my Mac?



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Re: How does one hang up after a Face time call using the Mac using a keyboard?

[Anders Holmberg]

Shift command h 
That is for skype. 

> 27 aug. 2016 kl. 00:44 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
> 
> That is what I did funny enough. I think it's the same thing for Skype on the 
> Mac.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 26 Aug 2016, at 11:13 pm, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
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>> Try to control option H that should do it for you. the call.
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>>> 
>>> Hello There.
>>> 
>>> How do you hang up after a Face Time call if you are using a Mac computer 
>>> to do Face time with?  I want to be able to do this using my keyboard. I do 
>>> have a Track Pad but I forget to double tap.  But supposing someone does 
>>> not have a Track pad, what then?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks David, you beat me to this one. 

Also, what we have to remember regarding GPS is that any app, yes even the 
blindness specific ones, used in real time assumes you are in the middle of the 
street, rather than on a sidewalk. This is how the maps are designed which are 
at the heart of every GPS program. 

There are apps, like Key Nav for the BrailleNote series of products, PC Maps 
and I’m sure others, that allow you to explore in a virtual mode which does put 
you on one side or other of a street to a point. again, these are only as 
accurate as the maps. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not trust 
> any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the street you are 
> currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. This 
>> is definitely a deal breaker for me.
>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
>> States and Canada.
>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
>>> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other features 
>>> that people like with this app.
>>> /A
 On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Hello Mark.
 
 Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do that 
 or did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it and I’m 
 really glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
 
 Kawal.
> On 20 Aug 2016, at 15:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> I must say that I am extremely impressed with the Nearby Explorer, for 
> iOS, GPS navigation app, developed by the American Printing House for the 
> Blind.  
> 
> So, for your convenience, in either enjoying the app or determining 
> whether or not to purchase it, I am pasting in the complete text of its 
> user manual, below my signature line.
> 
> A couple of things to note, however:
> 
> 1.
> Currently, this app only supports navigation in the United States and 
> Canada.  
> 
> 2.
> At the time of this post, the cost of the app is, in the U.S. App Store 
> anyway, $79.99.
> 
> 3.
> In order to successfully install the app, which includes its built-in map 
> of North America, you must have at least 4GB of free space available on 
> your iOS device.
> 
> 4.
> The direct URL to the online user manual, which includes a in-page 
> hyperlinked table of contents, omitted in this post, is:
> http://tech.aph.org/ne/index.html
> 
> 5.
> I have not edited the contents of this text in any way.  I simply copied 
> the text from the website; therefore some of the formatting may not be 
> consistent with the HTML version of the manual.
> 
> Finally, to you old-timers out there, I am delighted to report that this 
> app reminds me a great deal of the groundbreaking, GPS navigation 
> solution for the blind and low vision that started it all; I am 
> referring, of course, to Code Factory’s Mobile Geo.  
> 
> Okay, on to the show.  
> 
> Enjoy and Happy & Safe Traveling,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Nearby Explorer for iOS User's Guide
> 
> Copyright 2016
> 
> American Printing House for the Blind, Inc.
> 
> 2016/8/19
> 
> Introduction
> 
> When sighted people use a global positioning system (GPS), their main 
> interests are getting directions and/or guidance to a destination. Blind 
> users appreciate these features as well, but generally desire more 
> orientation queues than are available on commercial GPS apps. Nearby 
> Explorer is a GPS app designed to provide these queues. When combined 
> with an accessible interface and customizable, current information about 
> points of interest (POIs), the tools provide a meaningful picture of the 
> vicinity and its characteristics.
> 
> Nearby Explorer works by:
> 1.displaying a screen containing several geography-related categories, 
> letting you turn on the ones of interest (announced as you move). You can 
> put the phone to sleep and continue receiving feedback or examine the 
> values on the screen.
> 2.letting you orient the phone in various positions to get more targeted 
> information about: ◦points of interest (POIs),
> ◦direction and streets, and
> ◦the closest point of interest.
> 
> 3.providing descriptive details such as: ◦intersectio

How to tell who's on chat on Facebook

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

When I go to Facebook on my mac, I often hear VoiceOver announce "chat" 
followed by a number.  This number, I assume, refers to the number of my 
friends who are currently available on chaat.  Is this correct?  In which case, 
how can I tell which friends are available?  If I click on chat button I can 
see names of my friends and some numbers and letters following each name - 
well, the only letters I can see is H and m.  What does this all mean?  And how 
can I really tell who is available and who is not?

Many thanks,

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bootcamp win10 and sharpkeys?

[Anouk Radix]

Hi everyone,
I want to make a bootcamp windows 10 so i can use os x and windows side by 
side. On the mac i have seil and karabiner and vmware fusion but for some 
programs I need to use bootcamp. I was wondering though does sharpkeys still 
work on windows 10? I need an insert key and i would really like to have 
windows key and alt key function in a normal way.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[gs]

Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave it 
at that.

Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side of 
the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this unless 
it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, orientation 
skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious that what I 
intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the street of the 
destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform them if they (the 
person traveling) are on the left or right side of the street.

Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like it. I 
do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies the side 
of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the information 
available to a blind user if possible.
 If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
this with faith that it might be added in the future.
On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:

When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. When 
the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that case, good 
O&M skills will get the person to the location; such skills as asking people in 
the area.

I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent success. 
It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate tool, it is 
another tool.

Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on O&M 
skills without GPS.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
> 
> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
> on. The concern is about the destination.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
>> trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the street 
>> you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. 
>>> This is definitely a deal breaker for me.
>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
>>> States and Canada.
 On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
 Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other features 
 that people like with this app.
 /A
> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark.
> 
> Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do that 
> or did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it and I’m 
> really glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 15:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> I must say that I am extremely impressed with the Nearby Explorer, for 
>> iOS, GPS navigation app, developed by the American Printing House for 
>> the Blind.  
>> 
>> So, for your convenience, in either enjoying the app or determining 
>> whether or not to purchase it, I am pasting in the complete text of its 
>> user manual, below my signature line.
>> 
>> A couple of things to note, however:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Currently, this app only supports navigation in the United States and 
>> Canada.  
>> 
>> 2.
>> At the time of this post, the cost of the app is, in the U.S. App Store 
>> anyway, $79.99.
>> 
>> 3.
>> In order to successfully install the app, which includes its built-in 
>> map of North America, you must have at least 4GB of free space available 
>> on your iOS device.
>> 
>> 4.
>> The direct URL to the online user manual, which includes a in-page 
>> hyperlinked table of contents, omitted in this post, is:
>> http://tech.aph.org/ne/index.html
>> 
>> 5.
>> I have not edited the contents of this text in any way.  I simply copied 
>> the text from the website; therefore some of the formatting may not be 
>> consistent with the HTML version of the manual.
>> 
>> Finally, to you old-timers out there, I am delighted to report that this 
>> app reminds me a great deal of the groundbreaking, GPS navigation 
>> solution for the blind and low vision that started it all; I am 
>> referring, of course, to Code Factory’s Mobile Geo.  
>>

Can I edit a pot file on the mac.

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi all.

I need to translate a pot file. (A file called .pot in the end). I have 
researched a little. I downloaded poedit, I thought that was accessible, but it 
does not seem to, I could not find anything in the file I need to translate. Is 
there an editor which is accessible. I am willing to pay a little fee. 
Alternatively I need to use a lot of time with windows, and I am not sure I 
will succeed, I am not a windows expert. I need to use braille for this 
process, so I would be glad if I could do it on the mac.

I hope someone can help.

Thank you an advance.

Annie.

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[Laura Bratton]

Hi All,
Has anyone used the Square.com site and app?If So is it accessible with VO?
Thank you for the help,
Laura 

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Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Jenine Stanley]

At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 

Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is on if 
it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this possible. 
Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in geocodes for 
things like points of interest. 

I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple times, 
but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 

to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does provide 
this information when possible. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave 
> it at that.
> 
> Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side of 
> the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this 
> unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
> orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious that 
> what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the street of 
> the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform them if they 
> (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the street.
> 
> Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
> would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like it. 
> I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies the 
> side of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the 
> information available to a blind user if possible.
> If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
> this with faith that it might be added in the future.
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. When 
> the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that case, good 
> O&M skills will get the person to the location; such skills as asking people 
> in the area.
> 
> I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
> success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
> tool, it is another tool.
> 
> Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on O&M 
> skills without GPS.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
>> 
>> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
>> on. The concern is about the destination.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
>>> trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the street 
>>> you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs  wrote:
 
 Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. 
 This is definitely a deal breaker for me.
 On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
 States and Canada.
> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other 
> features that people like with this app.
> /A
>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark.
>> 
>> Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do 
>> that or did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it 
>> and I’m really glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 15:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,  
>>> 
>>> I must say that I am extremely impressed with the Nearby Explorer, for 
>>> iOS, GPS navigation app, developed by the American Printing House for 
>>> the Blind.  
>>> 
>>> So, for your convenience, in either enjoying the app or determining 
>>> whether or not to purchase it, I am pasting in the complete text of its 
>>> user manual, below my signature line.
>>> 
>>> A couple of things to note, however:
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> Currently, this app only supports navigation in the United States and 
>>> Canada.  
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> At the time of this post, the cost of the app is, in the U.S. App Store 
>>> anyway, $79.99.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> In order to successfully install the app, which includes its built-in 
>>> map o

Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[gs]

The provision of information is not condescending. The podcast I heard 
describing the product demonstrated that it did not identify the side of the 
street for the destination. Therefore, I concluded that it never identifies it. 
In the podcast, it was stated that the Android version of the product 
identifies the side of the street. If the iOS version also identifies it when 
possible, I will likely purchase it.



On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:

At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 

Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is on if 
it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this possible. 
Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in geocodes for 
things like points of interest. 

I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple times, 
but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 

to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does provide 
this information when possible. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave 
> it at that.
> 
> Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side of 
> the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this 
> unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
> orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious that 
> what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the street of 
> the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform them if they 
> (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the street.
> 
> Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
> would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like it. 
> I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies the 
> side of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the 
> information available to a blind user if possible.
> If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
> this with faith that it might be added in the future.
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. When 
> the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that case, good 
> O&M skills will get the person to the location; such skills as asking people 
> in the area.
> 
> I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
> success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
> tool, it is another tool.
> 
> Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on O&M 
> skills without GPS.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
>> 
>> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
>> on. The concern is about the destination.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
>>> trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the street 
>>> you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs  wrote:
 
 Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. 
 This is definitely a deal breaker for me.
 On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
 States and Canada.
> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other 
> features that people like with this app.
> /A
>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark.
>> 
>> Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do 
>> that or did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it 
>> and I’m really glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 15:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,  
>>> 
>>> I must say that I am extremely impressed with the Nearby Explorer, for 
>>> iOS, GPS navigation app, developed by the American Printing House for 
>>> the Blind.  
>>> 
>>> So, for your convenience, in either enjoying the app or determining 
>>> whether or not to purchase it, I am pasting in the co

Re: using Square

[Mika Pyyhkala]

Hi,
Square has a new chip based reader which should be actually more accessible.

The older reader required a headset splitter.

Best,
Mika

On 8/28/16, Laura Bratton  wrote:
> Hi All,
> Has anyone used the Square.com site and app?If So is it accessible with VO?
> Thank you for the help,
> Laura
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Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[David Chittenden]

I use a few GPS solutions including: TomTom, Apple Maps, and Google Maps. Yes, 
I only use the general market GPS mapping solutions. I also use Blind Square, 
but it is not a mapping solution. In all cases, the solutions I stated tell the 
user which side of the street the address is on. Therefore, it is a fair bet 
that Nearby Explorer will do the same.

I do not know who wrote the original question. I interpreted the phraising to 
be asking which side of the street the traveller was walking on, not which side 
of the street the destination was on, so that was the question I answered.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Aug 2016, at 04:40, gs  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave 
> it at that.
> 
> Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side of 
> the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this 
> unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
> orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious that 
> what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the street of 
> the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform them if they 
> (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the street.
> 
> Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
> would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like it. 
> I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies the 
> side of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the 
> information available to a blind user if possible.
> If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
> this with faith that it might be added in the future.
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. When 
> the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that case, good 
> O&M skills will get the person to the location; such skills as asking people 
> in the area.
> 
> I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
> success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
> tool, it is another tool.
> 
> Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on O&M 
> skills without GPS.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
>> 
>> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
>> on. The concern is about the destination.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
>>> trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the street 
>>> you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs  wrote:
 
 Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. 
 This is definitely a deal breaker for me.
 On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
 States and Canada.
> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other 
> features that people like with this app.
> /A
>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark.
>> 
>> Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do 
>> that or did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it 
>> and I’m really glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 15:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,  
>>> 
>>> I must say that I am extremely impressed with the Nearby Explorer, for 
>>> iOS, GPS navigation app, developed by the American Printing House for 
>>> the Blind.  
>>> 
>>> So, for your convenience, in either enjoying the app or determining 
>>> whether or not to purchase it, I am pasting in the complete text of its 
>>> user manual, below my signature line.
>>> 
>>> A couple of things to note, however:
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> Currently, this app only supports navigation in the United States and 
>>> Canada.  
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> At the time of this post, the cost of the app is, in the U.S. App Store 
>>> anyway, $79.99.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> In order to succes

Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Mary Otten]

Janine is correct. I didn't listen to the podcast, but if Mike said that in 
general it didn't identify the side of the street for the destination, he was 
wrong.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:40 AM, gs  wrote:
> 
> The provision of information is not condescending. The podcast I heard 
> describing the product demonstrated that it did not identify the side of the 
> street for the destination. Therefore, I concluded that it never identifies 
> it. In the podcast, it was stated that the Android version of the product 
> identifies the side of the street. If the iOS version also identifies it when 
> possible, I will likely purchase it.
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 
> 
> Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is on 
> if it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this 
> possible. Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in 
> geocodes for things like points of interest. 
> 
> I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple times, 
> but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 
> 
> to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does provide 
> this information when possible. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave 
>> it at that.
>> 
>> Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side 
>> of the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this 
>> unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
>> orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious 
>> that what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the 
>> street of the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform them 
>> if they (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the street.
>> 
>> Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
>> would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like 
>> it. I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies 
>> the side of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the 
>> information available to a blind user if possible.
>> If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
>> this with faith that it might be added in the future.
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. When 
>> the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that case, 
>> good O&M skills will get the person to the location; such skills as asking 
>> people in the area.
>> 
>> I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
>> success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
>> tool, it is another tool.
>> 
>> Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on 
>> O&M skills without GPS.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
>>> on. The concern is about the destination.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
 trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the 
 street you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs  wrote:
> 
> Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. 
> This is definitely a deal breaker for me.
> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
> States and Canada.
>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
>> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other 
>> features that people like with this app.
>> /A
>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark.
>>> 
>>> Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do 
>>> that or did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it 
>>> and I’m really glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 20 Aug 2016, at 15:38, M. Taylor  w

Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[David Tanner]

It appears that it usually does tell the side of the street to where you were 
looking for

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 6 S

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:40 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
> The provision of information is not condescending. The podcast I heard 
> describing the product demonstrated that it did not identify the side of the 
> street for the destination. Therefore, I concluded that it never identifies 
> it. In the podcast, it was stated that the Android version of the product 
> identifies the side of the street. If the iOS version also identifies it when 
> possible, I will likely purchase it.
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 
> 
> Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is on 
> if it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this 
> possible. Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in 
> geocodes for things like points of interest. 
> 
> I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple times, 
> but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 
> 
> to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does provide 
> this information when possible. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave 
>> it at that.
>> 
>> Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side 
>> of the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this 
>> unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
>> orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious 
>> that what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the 
>> street of the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform them 
>> if they (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the street.
>> 
>> Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
>> would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like 
>> it. I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies 
>> the side of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the 
>> information available to a blind user if possible.
>> If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
>> this with faith that it might be added in the future.
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. When 
>> the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that case, 
>> good O&M skills will get the person to the location; such skills as asking 
>> people in the area.
>> 
>> I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
>> success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
>> tool, it is another tool.
>> 
>> Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on 
>> O&M skills without GPS.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
>>> on. The concern is about the destination.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
 trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the 
 street you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs  wrote:
> 
> Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. 
> This is definitely a deal breaker for me.
> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
> States and Canada.
>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
>> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other 
>> features that people like with this app.
>> /A
>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark.
>>> 
>>> Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do 
>>> that or did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it 
>>> and I’m really glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 20 Aug 2016, at 15:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,  
 
 I m

Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Really, it doesn't matter what GPS you use, as long as you can travel safely 
and reliably either in Familiar areas or in areas that you know. I do not have 
the confidence in relying on GPS, Might mobility is very good, but, I do 
believe in human intervention as I have a guide dog.  If I was to use GPS, then 
I would rather I knew the area 1st to get the most out of my GPS experience. 

Kawal.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Aug 2016, at 7:40 pm, gs  wrote:
> 
> The provision of information is not condescending. The podcast I heard 
> describing the product demonstrated that it did not identify the side of the 
> street for the destination. Therefore, I concluded that it never identifies 
> it. In the podcast, it was stated that the Android version of the product 
> identifies the side of the street. If the iOS version also identifies it when 
> possible, I will likely purchase it.
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 
> 
> Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is on 
> if it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this 
> possible. Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in 
> geocodes for things like points of interest. 
> 
> I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple times, 
> but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 
> 
> to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does provide 
> this information when possible. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave 
>> it at that.
>> 
>> Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side 
>> of the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this 
>> unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
>> orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious 
>> that what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the 
>> street of the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform them 
>> if they (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the street.
>> 
>> Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
>> would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like 
>> it. I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies 
>> the side of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the 
>> information available to a blind user if possible.
>> If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
>> this with faith that it might be added in the future.
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. When 
>> the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that case, 
>> good O&M skills will get the person to the location; such skills as asking 
>> people in the area.
>> 
>> I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
>> success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
>> tool, it is another tool.
>> 
>> Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on 
>> O&M skills without GPS.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
>>> on. The concern is about the destination.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
 trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the 
 street you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs  wrote:
> 
> Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. 
> This is definitely a deal breaker for me.
> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
> States and Canada.
>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
>> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other 
>> features that people like with this app.
>> /A
>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark.
>>> 
>>> Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to 

Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Jenine Stanley]

Not to defend Mike, as he can do that himself, but he didn’t realize that the 
app does indeed identify POIs when possible with the side of street information 
included. He made a correction on the Nearby Explorer lists to his assumption. 
I’m sure he’ll go back in and correct the podcast or have an adendum for it. 


Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Aug 28, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Janine is correct. I didn't listen to the podcast, but if Mike said that in 
> general it didn't identify the side of the street for the destination, he was 
> wrong.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:40 AM, gs  wrote:
>> 
>> The provision of information is not condescending. The podcast I heard 
>> describing the product demonstrated that it did not identify the side of the 
>> street for the destination. Therefore, I concluded that it never identifies 
>> it. In the podcast, it was stated that the Android version of the product 
>> identifies the side of the street. If the iOS version also identifies it 
>> when possible, I will likely purchase it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> 
>> At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 
>> 
>> Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is on 
>> if it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this 
>> possible. Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in 
>> geocodes for things like points of interest. 
>> 
>> I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple 
>> times, but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 
>> 
>> to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does 
>> provide this information when possible. 
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave 
>>> it at that.
>>> 
>>> Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side 
>>> of the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this 
>>> unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
>>> orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious 
>>> that what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the 
>>> street of the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform 
>>> them if they (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the 
>>> street.
>>> 
>>> Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
>>> would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like 
>>> it. I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies 
>>> the side of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the 
>>> information available to a blind user if possible.
>>> If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
>>> this with faith that it might be added in the future.
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. 
>>> When the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that 
>>> case, good O&M skills will get the person to the location; such skills as 
>>> asking people in the area.
>>> 
>>> I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
>>> success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
>>> tool, it is another tool.
>>> 
>>> Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on 
>>> O&M skills without GPS.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
 
 I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
 on. The concern is about the destination.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
> trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the 
> street you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. 
>> This is definitely a deal breaker for me.
>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
>> States and Canada.
>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I didn’t know that this app was available for the 

text file editor for iOS?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
What's a good text editor for iOS these days? I mean that literally--an editor 
for .txt files, with no need to support rtf or any other formats. It needs to 
be able to save to Dropbox. I have Voice Dream Writer, but it can't open and 
save an existing file, making editing files a pain. I have Pages, but have 
hardly used it. Any suggestions?

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Re: text file editor for iOS?

[Michael Babcock]

Have you used textedit?
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> What's a good text editor for iOS these days? I mean that literally--an 
> editor for .txt files, with no need to support rtf or any other formats. It 
> needs to be able to save to Dropbox. I have Voice Dream Writer, but it can't 
> open and save an existing file, making editing files a pain. I have Pages, 
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Re: text file editor for iOS?

[Alex Hall]

All the time, but I need this for iOS, not macOS.
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 16:24, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> Have you used textedit?
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> What's a good text editor for iOS these days? I mean that literally--an 
>> editor for .txt files, with no need to support rtf or any other formats. It 
>> needs to be able to save to Dropbox. I have Voice Dream Writer, but it can't 
>> open and save an existing file, making editing files a pain. I have Pages, 
>> but have hardly used it. Any suggestions?
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Re: text file editor for iOS?

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On 8/28/2016 1:21 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hi all,
What's a good text editor for iOS these days? I mean that literally--an editor 
for .txt files, with no need to support rtf or any other formats. It needs to 
be able to save to Dropbox. I have Voice Dream Writer, but it can't open and 
save an existing file, making editing files a pain. I have Pages, but have 
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Re: text file editor for iOS?

[Phil Halton]

Actually, any file that you can open with voice dream reader can be exported to 
voice stream writer. I like voice dream writer for text editing and that's how 
I get RTF PDF at Cetera files opened in Writer.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 28, 2016, at 4:21 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> What's a good text editor for iOS these days? I mean that literally--an 
> editor for .txt files, with no need to support rtf or any other formats. It 
> needs to be able to save to Dropbox. I have Voice Dream Writer, but it can't 
> open and save an existing file, making editing files a pain. I have Pages, 
> but have hardly used it. Any suggestions?
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Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Christine Grassman]

I have been happy with the app since downloading it over a week ago. The only 
thing driving me crazy is my inability to silence its wonky sound effects. 
Since I do not recall hearing this particular noise in the podcast, I am 
mystified as to how to shut it off. If anyone has any information, please let 
me know. Thanks much in advance. 
Christine
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> Not to defend Mike, as he can do that himself, but he didn’t realize that the 
> app does indeed identify POIs when possible with the side of street 
> information included. He made a correction on the Nearby Explorer lists to 
> his assumption. I’m sure he’ll go back in and correct the podcast or have an 
> adendum for it. 
> 
> 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Janine is correct. I didn't listen to the podcast, but if Mike said that in 
>> general it didn't identify the side of the street for the destination, he 
>> was wrong.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:40 AM, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The provision of information is not condescending. The podcast I heard 
>>> describing the product demonstrated that it did not identify the side of 
>>> the street for the destination. Therefore, I concluded that it never 
>>> identifies it. In the podcast, it was stated that the Android version of 
>>> the product identifies the side of the street. If the iOS version also 
>>> identifies it when possible, I will likely purchase it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 
>>> 
>>> Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is 
>>> on if it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this 
>>> possible. Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in 
>>> geocodes for things like points of interest. 
>>> 
>>> I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple 
>>> times, but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 
>>> 
>>> to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does 
>>> provide this information when possible. 
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs  wrote:
 
 Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll 
 leave it at that.
 
 Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side 
 of the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for 
 this unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
 orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious 
 that what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the 
 street of the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform 
 them if they (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the 
 street.
 
 Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
 would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like 
 it. I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map 
 identifies the side of the street for specific addresses, it should be 
 included in the information available to a blind user if possible.
 If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might 
 purchase this with faith that it might be added in the future.
 On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. 
 When the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that 
 case, good O&M skills will get the person to the location; such skills as 
 asking people in the area.
 
 I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
 success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
 tool, it is another tool.
 
 Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on 
 O&M skills without GPS.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
> 
> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I 
> am on. The concern is about the destination.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
>> trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the 
>> street you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2

Re: text file editor for iOS?

[Alex Hall]

I like the app too, but it lacks in-place editing. That is, you can't simply 
open it, open a file from a supported source, then edit and save the file. You 
must import a copy, edit that, then be sure to type in the exact same name as 
the file you mean to override, then confirm that you want to replace that file. 
At least, that's how it was last time I used it. Admittedly, that was a year or 
more ago, so the app may be better about that now.
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 19:38, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Actually, any file that you can open with voice dream reader can be exported 
> to voice stream writer. I like voice dream writer for text editing and that's 
> how I get RTF PDF at Cetera files opened in Writer.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 4:21 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> What's a good text editor for iOS these days? I mean that literally--an 
>> editor for .txt files, with no need to support rtf or any other formats. It 
>> needs to be able to save to Dropbox. I have Voice Dream Writer, but it can't 
>> open and save an existing file, making editing files a pain. I have Pages, 
>> but have hardly used it. Any suggestions?
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Re: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV

[Kevin Chao]

I've it connected to Bluetooth speakers and it doesn't require TV to be ON.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 1:40 AM Simon Fogarty  wrote:

> HI Mary,
>
>  I know some sound systems now have an HDMI input which you can plug in
> the likes of a blueray or I guess apple tv and then have another HDMI
> output cable to your tv so that everything goes through the stereo first
> before the tv,
>
>  Whether you can do this with the tv I can't say
>
> My apple tv 4 is only connected to my Samsung tv, where as with the apple
> tv 2 I had an optical connector which allowed me to connect to my Logitech
> stereo speakers without the tv and I could play videos / tv and music
> through the sound system with out the tv screan active.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV
>
> Apple viz. recently published a podcast done by Lisa Sullenger on this
> topic. She mentions a specific HDMI to audio converter that she used with
> her stereo. The one thing she did not touch upon in her podcast has to do
> with an issue that has been raised on these lists before regarding the
> usability of this system with video content that is protected. I can't
> remember the name of the specification or coding or whenever it is involved
> that must be seen in order for the AppleTV to pick up the content.
> Generally, if the AppleTV is not connected to an actual video output which
> is actually turned on, you can't get a lot of this protected video content.
> So I am wondering about this system with this particular converter. Has
> anyone used it or any other converter connecting AppleTV fourth-generation
> to a stereo with no TV present and still able to receive the full
> complement of all the video channels, such as Netflix, HBO etc.
> Mary
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Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Scott Granados]

I have a very good friend who built an interface between his dog and a GPS 
mapping package.  The dog was then trained to follow a dot that a set of 
goggles it was wearing projected off in to space.  The dog followed the dot, 
the dot was controlled by the mapping software and the user could set their 
destination and put the dog on auto pilot.  Ok, not quite but the dog could be 
routed by the GPS software directly.  It was very clever.

I’ll be interested to see how these technologies will change when the next 
round of GPS is in place and the accuracy is improved even further.



> On Aug 28, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Really, it doesn't matter what GPS you use, as long as you can travel safely 
> and reliably either in Familiar areas or in areas that you know. I do not 
> have the confidence in relying on GPS, Might mobility is very good, but, I do 
> believe in human intervention as I have a guide dog.  If I was to use GPS, 
> then I would rather I knew the area 1st to get the most out of my GPS 
> experience. 
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 7:40 pm, gs  wrote:
>> 
>> The provision of information is not condescending. The podcast I heard 
>> describing the product demonstrated that it did not identify the side of the 
>> street for the destination. Therefore, I concluded that it never identifies 
>> it. In the podcast, it was stated that the Android version of the product 
>> identifies the side of the street. If the iOS version also identifies it 
>> when possible, I will likely purchase it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> 
>> At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 
>> 
>> Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is on 
>> if it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this 
>> possible. Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in 
>> geocodes for things like points of interest. 
>> 
>> I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple 
>> times, but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 
>> 
>> to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does 
>> provide this information when possible. 
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave 
>>> it at that.
>>> 
>>> Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side 
>>> of the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this 
>>> unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
>>> orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious 
>>> that what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the 
>>> street of the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform 
>>> them if they (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the 
>>> street.
>>> 
>>> Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
>>> would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like 
>>> it. I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies 
>>> the side of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the 
>>> information available to a blind user if possible.
>>> If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
>>> this with faith that it might be added in the future.
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. 
>>> When the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that 
>>> case, good O&M skills will get the person to the location; such skills as 
>>> asking people in the area.
>>> 
>>> I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
>>> success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
>>> tool, it is another tool.
>>> 
>>> Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on 
>>> O&M skills without GPS.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
 
 I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
 on. The concern is about the destination.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
> trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the 
> street you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, 

Using Spotlight

[E.T.]

   I wish to use Spotlight to find all occurrences of certain files and 
then delete them. What is the best way to do this? I gave it a try and 
got a table of all the files found but could not see how to check their 
locations and also a count.


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Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Mary Otten]

I would have to actually experience that to believe it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I have a very good friend who built an interface between his dog and a GPS 
> mapping package.  The dog was then trained to follow a dot that a set of 
> goggles it was wearing projected off in to space.  The dog followed the dot, 
> the dot was controlled by the mapping software and the user could set their 
> destination and put the dog on auto pilot.  Ok, not quite but the dog could 
> be routed by the GPS software directly.  It was very clever.
> 
> I’ll be interested to see how these technologies will change when the next 
> round of GPS is in place and the accuracy is improved even further.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Really, it doesn't matter what GPS you use, as long as you can travel safely 
>> and reliably either in Familiar areas or in areas that you know. I do not 
>> have the confidence in relying on GPS, Might mobility is very good, but, I 
>> do believe in human intervention as I have a guide dog.  If I was to use 
>> GPS, then I would rather I knew the area 1st to get the most out of my GPS 
>> experience. 
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 7:40 pm, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The provision of information is not condescending. The podcast I heard 
>>> describing the product demonstrated that it did not identify the side of 
>>> the street for the destination. Therefore, I concluded that it never 
>>> identifies it. In the podcast, it was stated that the Android version of 
>>> the product identifies the side of the street. If the iOS version also 
>>> identifies it when possible, I will likely purchase it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 
>>> 
>>> Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is 
>>> on if it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this 
>>> possible. Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in 
>>> geocodes for things like points of interest. 
>>> 
>>> I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple 
>>> times, but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 
>>> 
>>> to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does 
>>> provide this information when possible. 
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs  wrote:
 
 Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll 
 leave it at that.
 
 Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side 
 of the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for 
 this unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
 orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious 
 that what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the 
 street of the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform 
 them if they (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the 
 street.
 
 Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
 would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like 
 it. I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map 
 identifies the side of the street for specific addresses, it should be 
 included in the information available to a blind user if possible.
 If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might 
 purchase this with faith that it might be added in the future.
 On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. 
 When the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that 
 case, good O&M skills will get the person to the location; such skills as 
 asking people in the area.
 
 I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
 success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
 tool, it is another tool.
 
 Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on 
 O&M skills without GPS.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
> 
> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I 
> am on. The concern is about the destination.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
>> trust any app which claimed to be able 

Re: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV

[Mary Otten]

Kevin, just to be clear. You were saying that you can just send the audio 
output from your AppleTV fourth-generation to a pair of Bluetooth speakers, and 
all video plays fine. Including things like Netflix HBO, all the things that 
would have some  protection on them. They all play fine. That's really 
surprising but good.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> I've it connected to Bluetooth speakers and it doesn't require TV to be ON.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 1:40 AM Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> HI Mary,
>> 
>>  I know some sound systems now have an HDMI input which you can plug in the 
>> likes of a blueray or I guess apple tv and then have another HDMI output 
>> cable to your tv so that everything goes through the stereo first before the 
>> tv,
>> 
>>  Whether you can do this with the tv I can't say
>> 
>> My apple tv 4 is only connected to my Samsung tv, where as with the apple tv 
>> 2 I had an optical connector which allowed me to connect to my Logitech 
>> stereo speakers without the tv and I could play videos / tv and music 
>> through the sound system with out the tv screan active.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2016 12:30 PM
>> To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via ; 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
>> Subject: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV
>> 
>> Apple viz. recently published a podcast done by Lisa Sullenger on this 
>> topic. She mentions a specific HDMI to audio converter that she used with 
>> her stereo. The one thing she did not touch upon in her podcast has to do 
>> with an issue that has been raised on these lists before regarding the 
>> usability of this system with video content that is protected. I can't 
>> remember the name of the specification or coding or whenever it is involved 
>> that must be seen in order for the AppleTV to pick up the content. 
>> Generally, if the AppleTV is not connected to an actual video output which 
>> is actually turned on, you can't get a lot of this protected video content. 
>> So I am wondering about this system with this particular converter. Has 
>> anyone used it or any other converter connecting AppleTV fourth-generation 
>> to a stereo with no TV present and still able to receive the full complement 
>> of all the video channels, such as Netflix, HBO etc.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV

[Kevin Chao]

Yep, I can play Netflix, HBO GO, etc. using BLuetooth speakers

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 8:23 PM Mary Otten  wrote:

> Kevin, just to be clear. You were saying that you can just send the audio
> output from your AppleTV fourth-generation to a pair of Bluetooth speakers,
> and all video plays fine. Including things like Netflix HBO, all the things
> that would have some  protection on them. They all play fine. That's really
> surprising but good.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> I've it connected to Bluetooth speakers and it doesn't require TV to be ON.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 1:40 AM Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
>
>> HI Mary,
>>
>>  I know some sound systems now have an HDMI input which you can plug in
>> the likes of a blueray or I guess apple tv and then have another HDMI
>> output cable to your tv so that everything goes through the stereo first
>> before the tv,
>>
>>  Whether you can do this with the tv I can't say
>>
>> My apple tv 4 is only connected to my Samsung tv, where as with the apple
>> tv 2 I had an optical connector which allowed me to connect to my Logitech
>> stereo speakers without the tv and I could play videos / tv and music
>> through the sound system with out the tv screan active.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2016 12:30 PM
>> To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via ;
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
>> Subject: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV
>>
>> Apple viz. recently published a podcast done by Lisa Sullenger on this
>> topic. She mentions a specific HDMI to audio converter that she used with
>> her stereo. The one thing she did not touch upon in her podcast has to do
>> with an issue that has been raised on these lists before regarding the
>> usability of this system with video content that is protected. I can't
>> remember the name of the specification or coding or whenever it is involved
>> that must be seen in order for the AppleTV to pick up the content.
>> Generally, if the AppleTV is not connected to an actual video output which
>> is actually turned on, you can't get a lot of this protected video content.
>> So I am wondering about this system with this particular converter. Has
>> anyone used it or any other converter connecting AppleTV fourth-generation
>> to a stereo with no TV present and still able to receive the full
>> complement of all the video channels, such as Netflix, HBO etc.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Can you play an apple TV for output to be sent to your Mac or Mac mini?  I’d 
get one when I could afford it if that is the case.  I do have a Talking TV 
(one of those Samsung talking TV’s) hence not getting an Apple TV.  I would not 
want to connect it to my Samsung TV as I would not know what socket to put it 
in as if I went to the place where I bought it from (John Lewis) for all you UK 
subscribers, I don’t think they would let me plug in an Apple TV in to one of 
their Samsung models.  Anyway the last time I went there to look at an Apple TV 
it was sealed and they would not unseal it for me to have a feel of.

Kawal.
> On 29 Aug 2016, at 05:14, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> Yep, I can play Netflix, HBO GO, etc. using BLuetooth speakers
> 
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 8:23 PM Mary Otten  > wrote:
> Kevin, just to be clear. You were saying that you can just send the audio 
> output from your AppleTV fourth-generation to a pair of Bluetooth speakers, 
> and all video plays fine. Including things like Netflix HBO, all the things 
> that would have some  protection on them. They all play fine. That's really 
> surprising but good.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Kevin Chao  > wrote:
> 
>> I've it connected to Bluetooth speakers and it doesn't require TV to be ON.
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 1:40 AM Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> HI Mary,
>> 
>>  I know some sound systems now have an HDMI input which you can plug in the 
>> likes of a blueray or I guess apple tv and then have another HDMI output 
>> cable to your tv so that everything goes through the stereo first before the 
>> tv,
>> 
>>  Whether you can do this with the tv I can't say
>> 
>> My apple tv 4 is only connected to my Samsung tv, where as with the apple tv 
>> 2 I had an optical connector which allowed me to connect to my Logitech 
>> stereo speakers without the tv and I could play videos / tv and music 
>> through the sound system with out the tv screan active.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2016 12:30 PM
>> To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via > >; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ; mac4thebl...@freelists.org 
>> 
>> Subject: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV
>> 
>> Apple viz. recently published a podcast done by Lisa Sullenger on this 
>> topic. She mentions a specific HDMI to audio converter that she used with 
>> her stereo. The one thing she did not touch upon in her podcast has to do 
>> with an issue that has been raised on these lists before regarding the 
>> usability of this system with video content that is protected. I can't 
>> remember the name of the specification or coding or whenever it is involved 
>> that must be seen in order for the AppleTV to pick up the content. 
>> Generally, if the AppleTV is not connected to an actual video output which 
>> is actually turned on, you can't get a lot of this protected video content. 
>> So I am wondering about this system with this particular converter. Has 
>> anyone used it or any other converter connecting AppleTV fourth-generation 
>> to a stereo with no TV present and still able to receive the full complement 
>> of all the video channels, such as Netflix, HBO etc.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Searching for Express VPN

[Simon Fogarty]

Try searching google for express vpn and see what happens.

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On Behalf Of Bill Gallik
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Subject: Searching for Express VPN

OK, I’ve had my interest piqued concerning “Express VPN.”  But when I open “App 
Store” for Mac and search for “Express VPN” I get the following:

- VPN Shield
- Red VPN

Now, of course, I’m looking for a replacement for Avast on my Mac and not my 
iPhone 6.  Are either of the above what I want to install? Or, should I be 
looking for something entirely different for my Mac?



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