Re: Sending messages with Apple Watch.

[Jenny Wood]

Ah, good tip about the two-finger double-tap.  I didn’t know that would work, 
too.

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> On Aug 30, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> When I use to have the watch, I learnt also that you could double tap with 
> two fingers and the message would go.  Like I said in a previous post, I want 
> the new generation of Watch.  If it doesn’t come out or it isn’t coming out 
> I’ll have to get a Steel watch as I won’t buy the sports model this time 
> after my last experience with the sports one.  Everyone says that Apple are 
> talking about a new watch Generation.  One with a Camera.  Even though I 
> can’t see, I’d like one just to be the same as my sighted peers.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Aug 2016, at 22:33, Jenny Wood > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This tripped me up in the beginning, too.  When you have the message up with 
>> the “Don’t Send” button, all you need to do is press the Crown button on the 
>> side of the watch, and that will send your message.  You should even hear 
>> the “swoosh” when the message sends.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I don’t get the send message feature to work on my Apple Watch.
>>> When the text is dictated i have a message on the apple watch saying that i 
>>> send this message.
>>> Then comes the message and then a don’t send button.
>>> Where is the send button?
>>> Doesn’t it work without bluetooth?
>>> Thanks.
>>> /A
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Re: Sending messages with Apple Watch.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

When I use to have the watch, I learnt also that you could double tap with two 
fingers and the message would go.  Like I said in a previous post, I want the 
new generation of Watch.  If it doesn’t come out or it isn’t coming out I’ll 
have to get a Steel watch as I won’t buy the sports model this time after my 
last experience with the sports one.  Everyone says that Apple are talking 
about a new watch Generation.  One with a Camera.  Even though I can’t see, I’d 
like one just to be the same as my sighted peers.

Kawal.
> On 30 Aug 2016, at 22:33, Jenny Wood  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This tripped me up in the beginning, too.  When you have the message up with 
> the “Don’t Send” button, all you need to do is press the Crown button on the 
> side of the watch, and that will send your message.  You should even hear the 
> “swoosh” when the message sends.
> 
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>  Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>  But the truth is,
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>  Than I could make them all come true.”
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I don’t get the send message feature to work on my Apple Watch.
>> When the text is dictated i have a message on the apple watch saying that i 
>> send this message.
>> Then comes the message and then a don’t send button.
>> Where is the send button?
>> Doesn’t it work without bluetooth?
>> Thanks.
>> /A
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Re: Mail Signatures in iCloud a perplexing situation and extremely frustrating.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I’m up for that.  If we could have one signature for all devices as I couldn’t 
even find the one on my I phone which said ‘sent from my I phone’ looked in all 
the usual places Settings, ICloud, mail, don’t know if I missed anything.  We 
should say to Apple or state to Apple that we’d like to set up one signautre 
which will then be available on all our devices for those of us who use ICloud.

Kawal.  
> On 30 Aug 2016, at 16:36, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> This does bring up an interesting issue. It would not be too difficult for 
> Apple to create an alternative method to associate signatures with Accounts. 
> They do this for contacts and mail messages with out needing to do drag and 
> drop. Anybody up for a Perhaps we can set up a petition somewhere of features 
> that would improve accessibility for blind Apple users. That would certainly 
> be more efficient than sending in 100's of individual requests.
> What do you all think? 
>  
> 
> On 30 August 2016 at 10:45, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The signatures are likely synced across your machines via iCloud.  So, it 
> will propagate to each machine that you have iCloud Mail services enabled.  
> These signatures created on other machines will propagate to the All 
> Signatures section but not necessarily to the specific account.  It can be 
> moved to that account with some work, but I don't believe that it is an 
> automatic process.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 29, 2016, at 01:04, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I made a discovery but am very frustrated with it.
> 
> Using my I Mac, I created a signature (as you will have read) so no need for 
> detail.  However, when using my Mac Mini which is on the same network as it’s 
> in my bed room upstairs, if I go to mail preferences all signatures, I can 
> read my signature which is in my all signatures tables.  Please understand 
> that in the first instance I made sure the original signature was associated 
> with my iCloud account.  But when going back in to the body of my new 
> message, I can’t select that signature even though the signature can be read 
> in mail preferences.  Does anyone know why this is the case?  I know you must 
> select an account for the signature to be associated with but my original 
> signature is associated with my I cloud account and I should not be able to 
> read it with my Mac Mini but I can.  I hope this is making sense to someone.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: Sending messages with Apple Watch.

[Jenny Wood]

Hi,

This tripped me up in the beginning, too.  When you have the message up with 
the “Don’t Send” button, all you need to do is press the Crown button on the 
side of the watch, and that will send your message.  You should even hear the 
“swoosh” when the message sends.

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> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I don’t get the send message feature to work on my Apple Watch.
> When the text is dictated i have a message on the apple watch saying that i 
> send this message.
> Then comes the message and then a don’t send button.
> Where is the send button?
> Doesn’t it work without bluetooth?
> Thanks.
> /A
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Re: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thanks so much for replying, Simon and Scott.

Well first it’s the new I phone and watch if the watch ever comes out and then 
when I fancy, it’ll be the Apple TV one of these days but am still thinking 
about that. 
> On 30 Aug 2016, at 10:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Kawal,
>  
> The HDMI port is a similar size to USB
> It has more of a D shape to it but the ends tend to have angles sliced off to 
> give it that D shape.
>  
> About 0.75 % of an inch or 20 mm long give or take,
>  The port or ports could be on  the side / edge or rare of the tv  my Samsung 
> tv is 8 years old an LED tv and it has 4 HDMI ports,
>  
> As well as 1 optical  2 USB and a few others including vga
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2016 8:07 AM
> To: Macvisionaries  >
> Subject: Re: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV
>  
> Hi Tim.
>  
> I don’t know what one of those ports are or what they look like.  If someone 
> has one of these Samsung TV’s could you tell me please which is the port for 
> the Apple TV forth Gen so that if I do get one eventually then I’ll be able 
> to use it.  However, I’m not sure why one of these TV’s would benefit me 
> apart from playing my I phone content on my Samsung TV.  I’m not in to 
> netflicks or any other subscription provider so would only want it for free 
> content.  At the moment I don’t know why I’d want one of those TV’s, unless 
> you want to play your Itune content on it.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Kawal.
> On 29 Aug 2016, at 20:32, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> The Apple TV simply connects with an HDMI cable.  Therefore, it should be no 
> problem plugging it into a Samsung or any other TV model for that matter as 
> long as it has HDMI input.  It is extremely difficult to plug it into the 
> incorrect port on the back of the TV as the HDMI cable will only fit into the 
> HDMI port on the TV.
>  
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
>  
> On Aug 29, 2016, at 00:46, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
>  
> Can you play an apple TV for output to be sent to your Mac or Mac mini?  I’d 
> get one when I could afford it if that is the case.  I do have a Talking TV 
> (one of those Samsung talking TV’s) hence not getting an Apple TV.  I would 
> not want to connect it to my Samsung TV as I would not know what socket to 
> put it in as if I went to the place where I bought it from (John Lewis) for 
> all you UK subscribers, I don’t think they would let me plug in an Apple TV 
> in to one of their Samsung models.  Anyway the last time I went there to look 
> at an Apple TV it was sealed and they would not unseal it for me to have a 
> feel of.
>  
> Kawal.
> On 29 Aug 2016, at 05:14, Kevin Chao  > wrote:
>  
> Yep, I can play Netflix, HBO GO, etc. using BLuetooth speakers
>  
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 8:23 PM Mary Otten  > wrote:
> Kevin, just to be clear. You were saying that you can just send the audio 
> output from your AppleTV fourth-generation to a pair of Bluetooth speakers, 
> and all video plays fine. Including things like Netflix HBO, all the things 
> that would have some  protection on them. They all play fine. That's really 
> surprising but good.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Kevin Chao  > wrote:
> 
> I've it connected to Bluetooth speakers and it doesn't require TV to be ON.
>  
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 1:40 AM Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> HI Mary,
> 
>  I know some sound systems now have an HDMI input which you can plug in the 
> likes of a blueray or I guess apple tv and then have another HDMI output 
> cable to your tv so that everything goes through the stereo first before the 
> tv,
> 
>  Whether you can do this with the tv I can't say
> 
> My apple tv 4 is only connected to my Samsung tv, where as with the apple tv 
> 2 I had an optical connector which allowed me to connect to my Logitech 
> stereo speakers without the tv and I could play videos / tv and music through 
> the sound system with out the tv screan active.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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> Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2016 12:30 PM
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> Subject: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV
> 
> Apple viz. recently published a podcast done by Lisa Sullenger on this topic

Sending messages with Apple Watch.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t get the send message feature to work on my Apple Watch.
When the text is dictated i have a message on the apple watch saying that i 
send this message.
Then comes the message and then a don’t send button.
Where is the send button?
Doesn’t it work without bluetooth?
Thanks.
/A

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Is there still a lite version of Voice Dream Reader?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I'm fielding a question for a K-12 teacher.  There used to be a less expensive 
version of Voice Dream Reader.  Does anyone know if that version still exists, 
and if it does, what features from the full version it is missing?
thanks,
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Re: Mail Signatures in iCloud a perplexing situation and extremely frustrating.

[Jonathan Cohn]

This does bring up an interesting issue. It would not be too difficult for
Apple to create an alternative method to associate signatures with
Accounts. They do this for contacts and mail messages with out needing to
do drag and drop. Anybody up for a Perhaps we can set up a petition
somewhere of features that would improve accessibility for blind Apple
users. That would certainly be more efficient than sending in 100's of
individual requests.
What do you all think?


On 30 August 2016 at 10:45, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The signatures are likely synced across your machines via iCloud.  So, it
> will propagate to each machine that you have iCloud Mail services enabled.
> These signatures created on other machines will propagate to the All
> Signatures section but not necessarily to the specific account.  It can be
> moved to that account with some work, but I don't believe that it is an
> automatic process.
>
> HTH.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Aug 29, 2016, at 01:04, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I made a discovery but am very frustrated with it.
>
> Using my I Mac, I created a signature (as you will have read) so no need
> for detail.  However, when using my Mac Mini which is on the same network
> as it’s in my bed room upstairs, if I go to mail preferences all
> signatures, I can read my signature which is in my all signatures tables.
> Please understand that in the first instance I made sure the original
> signature was associated with my iCloud account.  But when going back in to
> the body of my new message, I can’t select that signature even though the
> signature can be read in mail preferences.  Does anyone know why this is
> the case?  I know you must select an account for the signature to be
> associated with but my original signature is associated with my I cloud
> account and I should not be able to read it with my Mac Mini but I can.  I
> hope this is making sense to someone.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kawal.
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Note on the rest of this message, in several places below Alex speaks "the
fifth" where I typed a Vee character.

I was thinking about this, and realized that the standard editor
functionality of MacOS will simulate Emacs keystrokes.

What this means is that control-V moves down a page, and meta-V as defined
in standard emacs moves up a page. I was able to get the control-V to work
I believe, but either I am forgetting my emacs commands after several years
of non-use or something else is going on.

Does anybody remember where the definition file for this is? This is code
that MacOs inherited from the NeXT systems.  I expect that there is a "vi
mode still around somewhere and for those of that persuasion wouldn't it be
nice to have VI commands in textedit and mail composition?

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 26 August 2016 at 07:01, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Thanks. Interacting was one step I was missing, as I never interact with
> text unless I need vo-a to track my position. I also never knew what wrap
> to page/window in Text Edit do. Are they visual changes only, or is there
> something they do that is helpful to VO users aside from allowing
> page-level movements? For instance, does 'wrap to page' show what your
> document would look like, and where page breaks would be, when printed out
> on paper?
>
> On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:22, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>
> Hello Alex,
>
> In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down to
> work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
>
> In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area
> for the Page Down command to work.
>
> The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for
> us.
>
> The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but not
> in Preview.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself
> suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command is
> vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering if
> there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should use
> option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys on the
> Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to get them to actually move
> the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Mail Signatures in iCloud a perplexing situation and extremely frustrating.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

The signatures are likely synced across your machines via iCloud.  So, it will 
propagate to each machine that you have iCloud Mail services enabled.  These 
signatures created on other machines will propagate to the All Signatures 
section but not necessarily to the specific account.  It can be moved to that 
account with some work, but I don't believe that it is an automatic process.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 29, 2016, at 01:04, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hi.

I made a discovery but am very frustrated with it.

Using my I Mac, I created a signature (as you will have read) so no need for 
detail.  However, when using my Mac Mini which is on the same network as it’s 
in my bed room upstairs, if I go to mail preferences all signatures, I can read 
my signature which is in my all signatures tables.  Please understand that in 
the first instance I made sure the original signature was associated with my 
iCloud account.  But when going back in to the body of my new message, I can’t 
select that signature even though the signature can be read in mail 
preferences.  Does anyone know why this is the case?  I know you must select an 
account for the signature to be associated with but my original signature is 
associated with my I cloud account and I should not be able to read it with my 
Mac Mini but I can.  I hope this is making sense to someone.

Thank you.

Kawal.

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Re: English ms office/Dutch spellcheck?

[Anouk Radix]

Thanks a lot for doing that experiment for me!
Greetings, Anouk,
> On 29 Aug 2016, at 17:15, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I can't tell for sure, but if you bring up the tools menu, there is a 
> language item. In that language item you can pick Dutch and you can select 
> that from the table and click default.  I guess "hell" is a dutch word since 
> spell check then tried to change one of the words in "This is a test." to 
> "hell".
> 
> Have fun and enjoy life!
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:02 AM Anouk Radix  > wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I have an English version of microsoft office and thats fine. I would like 
> however to be able to spellcheck Dutch text that I have created. Is that 
> possible with ms office natively or would i need to install an aditional 
> language packet? As I said I am happy with hte English interface and help I 
> just need it for spellcheck.
> Thanks in advance for any info,
> Greetings, Anouk,
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RE: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV

[Simon Fogarty]

Kawal,

The HDMI port is a similar size to USB
It has more of a D shape to it but the ends tend to have angles sliced off to 
give it that D shape.

About 0.75 % of an inch or 20 mm long give or take,
 The port or ports could be on  the side / edge or rare of the tv  my Samsung 
tv is 8 years old an LED tv and it has 4 HDMI ports,

As well as 1 optical  2 USB and a few others including vga


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2016 8:07 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV

Hi Tim.

I don’t know what one of those ports are or what they look like.  If someone 
has one of these Samsung TV’s could you tell me please which is the port for 
the Apple TV forth Gen so that if I do get one eventually then I’ll be able to 
use it.  However, I’m not sure why one of these TV’s would benefit me apart 
from playing my I phone content on my Samsung TV.  I’m not in to netflicks or 
any other subscription provider so would only want it for free content.  At the 
moment I don’t know why I’d want one of those TV’s, unless you want to play 
your Itune content on it.

Thanks.

Kawal.
On 29 Aug 2016, at 20:32, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> 
wrote:

Hi,

The Apple TV simply connects with an HDMI cable.  Therefore, it should be no 
problem plugging it into a Samsung or any other TV model for that matter as 
long as it has HDMI input.  It is extremely difficult to plug it into the 
incorrect port on the back of the TV as the HDMI cable will only fit into the 
HDMI port on the TV.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 29, 2016, at 00:46, Kawal Gucukoglu 
mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Can you play an apple TV for output to be sent to your Mac or Mac mini?  I’d 
get one when I could afford it if that is the case.  I do have a Talking TV 
(one of those Samsung talking TV’s) hence not getting an Apple TV.  I would not 
want to connect it to my Samsung TV as I would not know what socket to put it 
in as if I went to the place where I bought it from (John Lewis) for all you UK 
subscribers, I don’t think they would let me plug in an Apple TV in to one of 
their Samsung models.  Anyway the last time I went there to look at an Apple TV 
it was sealed and they would not unseal it for me to have a feel of.

Kawal.
On 29 Aug 2016, at 05:14, Kevin Chao 
mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yep, I can play Netflix, HBO GO, etc. using BLuetooth speakers

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 8:23 PM Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Kevin, just to be clear. You were saying that you can just send the audio 
output from your AppleTV fourth-generation to a pair of Bluetooth speakers, and 
all video plays fine. Including things like Netflix HBO, all the things that 
would have some  protection on them. They all play fine. That's really 
surprising but good.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Kevin Chao 
mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I've it connected to Bluetooth speakers and it doesn't require TV to be ON.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 1:40 AM Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
HI Mary,

 I know some sound systems now have an HDMI input which you can plug in the 
likes of a blueray or I guess apple tv and then have another HDMI output cable 
to your tv so that everything goes through the stereo first before the tv,

 Whether you can do this with the tv I can't say

My apple tv 4 is only connected to my Samsung tv, where as with the apple tv 2 
I had an optical connector which allowed me to connect to my Logitech stereo 
speakers without the tv and I could play videos / tv and music through the 
sound system with out the tv screan active.

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Subject: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV

Apple viz. recently published a podcast done by Lisa Sullenger on this topic. 
She mentions a specific HDMI to audio converter that she used with her stereo. 
The one thing she did not touch upon in her podcast has to do with an issue 
that has been raised on these lists before regarding the usability of this 
system with video content that is protected. I can't remember the name of the 
specification or coding or whenever it is involved that must be seen in order 
for the AppleTV to pick up the content. Generally, if the AppleTV is not 
connected to an actual video output which is actually turned on, you can't get 
a lot of this protected video content. So I am wondering about this system with 
this p