Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[Kliphton Miller]

I didn’t ask my kids, once I logged in, I figured I didn’t need there eyes any 
more.  I got it from the app store, do I need the one from amazon?
> On Oct 8, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello Clifton,
> 
> So can your kids open them? Did you install from the app store or download 
> from Amazon?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 20:09, Kliphton Miller > > wrote:
>> 
>> Also, to follow up to confirm that my device is registered, my kids tell me 
>> that they see a bunch of book covers.
>>> On Oct 8, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Clifton,
>>> 
>>> You won’t be able to access your books until you have registered your 
>>> device. The opening dialogs tell you this. If you have a huge library as 
>>> you claim you will understand this. Read the install instructions for 
>>> Kindle for Mac as supplied by Amazon.
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 8 Oct 2016, at 01:56, Kliphton Miller > wrote:
 
 Okay, I downloaded the kindle app, and I think I downloaded my entire 
 collection.  1. I can’t find the kindle book library nowhere on my mac.  
 2. I can not navigate books in the kindle app, let alone open them with 
 command O.  I have tried with quick nav on and off, and either method does 
 not work.  What am I doing wrong here?
> On Oct 7, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Yes that’s the tool I use. It removes the DRM and puts the stripped file 
> in a subdirectory of your documents folder.
> 
> ~/Documents/Ebook Converter/
> 
> As for opening your kindle book. Kindle for Mac does allow navigation of 
> the library using VoiceOver. The hardest part is to register your app to 
> your account. But once you’ve done that you can navigate it using VO 
> keys. By interacting with the book list you can open a book by cmd + o, 
> then closing it by cmd + w. Which pulls it down to the HD. You can see 
> the commands on the pull down menus. I need to press return sometimes to 
> get the focus on the book I want to open.
> 
> As I said, it’s clunky!
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
>> On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:34, Anouk Radix > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sandi, I think i found the right tool www.ebook-converter.com 
>>  it can strip drm AND convert the 
>> kindle ebook to word or html.
>> For me still the problem remains how to get the books out of kindle 
>> htough? Because the app seems wholly inaccessible with voiceover. I have 
>> somehow been able to login but how to get all the kindle books FROM the 
>> lcoud TO the mac…
>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>> On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:25, Sandi Jazmin Kruse >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> that is how i would do it as well, did not know about the remover
>>> program, however, do you have a  url for that ?
>>> 
>>> On 10/6/16, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
 Hello David etc.
 
 It’s a very clunky experience and I’m probably making it harder for 
 myself
 than necessary.
 
 1. Buy a book from Amazon
 2. Open Kindle for Mac and press enter on my new purchase so it is 
 pulled
 down on to the Mac’s HD.
 3. Open Kindle DRM removal and select the new book and remove it’s DRM.
 4. Then from the terminal use the calibre ebook-convert command to 
 generate
 whatever format I require. For my recipe books I like to be able to 
 search
 so I convert to plain text. Others I use epubl
 
 That’s it in a nutshell. The DRM removal tool is an app that offers a 
 free
 demo period but then a licence has to be purchased.
 
 Regards,
 
 
 Gena
 
> On 6 Oct 2016, at 08:26, David Griffith  > wrote:
> 
> The last time I tried I could get no Voiceover output book reading 
> using
> the Kindle app and there appeared no MacOS Accessibility TTS plug in 
> as
> available on Windows.
> 
> 
> I believe some people use Calibre via command line interface to make 
> the
> Kindle books accessible. I would welcome step by sep instructions 
> here as
> well.
> 
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> MOn 06/10/2016 01:12, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> On the 

Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Cliphton,

If you pull down the menus you can see if you have a book open. If on the file 
menu the open book option is dimmed and below that is the option close book 
then logic has it that a book is open. If a book is not open the option below 
it is close window. In this case, if the open book option is dimmed you need to 
click on a book.

Regards,

Gena



> On 8 Oct 2016, at 20:09, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Also, to follow up to confirm that my device is registered, my kids tell me 
> that they see a bunch of book covers.
>> On Oct 8, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Clifton,
>> 
>> You won’t be able to access your books until you have registered your 
>> device. The opening dialogs tell you this. If you have a huge library as you 
>> claim you will understand this. Read the install instructions for Kindle for 
>> Mac as supplied by Amazon.
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 01:56, Kliphton Miller >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay, I downloaded the kindle app, and I think I downloaded my entire 
>>> collection.  1. I can’t find the kindle book library nowhere on my mac.  2. 
>>> I can not navigate books in the kindle app, let alone open them with 
>>> command O.  I have tried with quick nav on and off, and either method does 
>>> not work.  What am I doing wrong here?
 On Oct 7, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 Yes that’s the tool I use. It removes the DRM and puts the stripped file 
 in a subdirectory of your documents folder.
 
 ~/Documents/Ebook Converter/
 
 As for opening your kindle book. Kindle for Mac does allow navigation of 
 the library using VoiceOver. The hardest part is to register your app to 
 your account. But once you’ve done that you can navigate it using VO keys. 
 By interacting with the book list you can open a book by cmd + o, then 
 closing it by cmd + w. Which pulls it down to the HD. You can see the 
 commands on the pull down menus. I need to press return sometimes to get 
 the focus on the book I want to open.
 
 As I said, it’s clunky!
 
 Gena
 
 
> On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:34, Anouk Radix  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandi, I think i found the right tool www.ebook-converter.com 
>  it can strip drm AND convert the kindle 
> ebook to word or html.
> For me still the problem remains how to get the books out of kindle 
> htough? Because the app seems wholly inaccessible with voiceover. I have 
> somehow been able to login but how to get all the kindle books FROM the 
> lcoud TO the mac…
> Greetings, Anouk,
>> On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:25, Sandi Jazmin Kruse > > wrote:
>> 
>> that is how i would do it as well, did not know about the remover
>> program, however, do you have a  url for that ?
>> 
>> On 10/6/16, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>>> Hello David etc.
>>> 
>>> It’s a very clunky experience and I’m probably making it harder for 
>>> myself
>>> than necessary.
>>> 
>>> 1. Buy a book from Amazon
>>> 2. Open Kindle for Mac and press enter on my new purchase so it is 
>>> pulled
>>> down on to the Mac’s HD.
>>> 3. Open Kindle DRM removal and select the new book and remove it’s DRM.
>>> 4. Then from the terminal use the calibre ebook-convert command to 
>>> generate
>>> whatever format I require. For my recipe books I like to be able to 
>>> search
>>> so I convert to plain text. Others I use epubl
>>> 
>>> That’s it in a nutshell. The DRM removal tool is an app that offers a 
>>> free
>>> demo period but then a licence has to be purchased.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 6 Oct 2016, at 08:26, David Griffith > wrote:
 
 The last time I tried I could get no Voiceover output book reading 
 using
 the Kindle app and there appeared no MacOS Accessibility TTS plug in as
 available on Windows.
 
 
 I believe some people use Calibre via command line interface to make 
 the
 Kindle books accessible. I would welcome step by sep instructions here 
 as
 well.
 
 
 David Griffith
 
 
 MOn 06/10/2016 01:12, Ryan Mann wrote:
 
> On the PC, there is a program called Codex that can be used to convert
> Kindle books to other formats such as Word or HTML.  Is there a 
> program

Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Clifton,

When you pull the books down to your HD they should be in
~/Library/Application Support/Kindle/My Kindle Content/

They have to be opened to pull them down. As stated several times. You cannot 
read them with VoiceOver from the kindle app. To get VoiceOver to focus on a 
book you need to press the enter key. Then command O to open then you need to 
close it so you can open another.

Gena




> On 8 Oct 2016, at 20:09, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Also, to follow up to confirm that my device is registered, my kids tell me 
> that they see a bunch of book covers.
>> On Oct 8, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Clifton,
>> 
>> You won’t be able to access your books until you have registered your 
>> device. The opening dialogs tell you this. If you have a huge library as you 
>> claim you will understand this. Read the install instructions for Kindle for 
>> Mac as supplied by Amazon.
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 01:56, Kliphton Miller >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay, I downloaded the kindle app, and I think I downloaded my entire 
>>> collection.  1. I can’t find the kindle book library nowhere on my mac.  2. 
>>> I can not navigate books in the kindle app, let alone open them with 
>>> command O.  I have tried with quick nav on and off, and either method does 
>>> not work.  What am I doing wrong here?
 On Oct 7, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 Yes that’s the tool I use. It removes the DRM and puts the stripped file 
 in a subdirectory of your documents folder.
 
 ~/Documents/Ebook Converter/
 
 As for opening your kindle book. Kindle for Mac does allow navigation of 
 the library using VoiceOver. The hardest part is to register your app to 
 your account. But once you’ve done that you can navigate it using VO keys. 
 By interacting with the book list you can open a book by cmd + o, then 
 closing it by cmd + w. Which pulls it down to the HD. You can see the 
 commands on the pull down menus. I need to press return sometimes to get 
 the focus on the book I want to open.
 
 As I said, it’s clunky!
 
 Gena
 
 
> On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:34, Anouk Radix  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandi, I think i found the right tool www.ebook-converter.com 
>  it can strip drm AND convert the kindle 
> ebook to word or html.
> For me still the problem remains how to get the books out of kindle 
> htough? Because the app seems wholly inaccessible with voiceover. I have 
> somehow been able to login but how to get all the kindle books FROM the 
> lcoud TO the mac…
> Greetings, Anouk,
>> On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:25, Sandi Jazmin Kruse > > wrote:
>> 
>> that is how i would do it as well, did not know about the remover
>> program, however, do you have a  url for that ?
>> 
>> On 10/6/16, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>>> Hello David etc.
>>> 
>>> It’s a very clunky experience and I’m probably making it harder for 
>>> myself
>>> than necessary.
>>> 
>>> 1. Buy a book from Amazon
>>> 2. Open Kindle for Mac and press enter on my new purchase so it is 
>>> pulled
>>> down on to the Mac’s HD.
>>> 3. Open Kindle DRM removal and select the new book and remove it’s DRM.
>>> 4. Then from the terminal use the calibre ebook-convert command to 
>>> generate
>>> whatever format I require. For my recipe books I like to be able to 
>>> search
>>> so I convert to plain text. Others I use epubl
>>> 
>>> That’s it in a nutshell. The DRM removal tool is an app that offers a 
>>> free
>>> demo period but then a licence has to be purchased.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 6 Oct 2016, at 08:26, David Griffith > wrote:
 
 The last time I tried I could get no Voiceover output book reading 
 using
 the Kindle app and there appeared no MacOS Accessibility TTS plug in as
 available on Windows.
 
 
 I believe some people use Calibre via command line interface to make 
 the
 Kindle books accessible. I would welcome step by sep instructions here 
 as
 well.
 
 
 David Griffith
 
 
 MOn 06/10/2016 01:12, Ryan Mann wrote:
 
> On the PC, there is a program called Codex that can be used to convert
> Kindle books to other formats such as Word or 

Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Clifton,

So can your kids open them? Did you install from the app store or download from 
Amazon?

Regards,

Gena



> On 8 Oct 2016, at 20:09, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Also, to follow up to confirm that my device is registered, my kids tell me 
> that they see a bunch of book covers.
>> On Oct 8, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Clifton,
>> 
>> You won’t be able to access your books until you have registered your 
>> device. The opening dialogs tell you this. If you have a huge library as you 
>> claim you will understand this. Read the install instructions for Kindle for 
>> Mac as supplied by Amazon.
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 01:56, Kliphton Miller >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay, I downloaded the kindle app, and I think I downloaded my entire 
>>> collection.  1. I can’t find the kindle book library nowhere on my mac.  2. 
>>> I can not navigate books in the kindle app, let alone open them with 
>>> command O.  I have tried with quick nav on and off, and either method does 
>>> not work.  What am I doing wrong here?
 On Oct 7, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 Yes that’s the tool I use. It removes the DRM and puts the stripped file 
 in a subdirectory of your documents folder.
 
 ~/Documents/Ebook Converter/
 
 As for opening your kindle book. Kindle for Mac does allow navigation of 
 the library using VoiceOver. The hardest part is to register your app to 
 your account. But once you’ve done that you can navigate it using VO keys. 
 By interacting with the book list you can open a book by cmd + o, then 
 closing it by cmd + w. Which pulls it down to the HD. You can see the 
 commands on the pull down menus. I need to press return sometimes to get 
 the focus on the book I want to open.
 
 As I said, it’s clunky!
 
 Gena
 
 
> On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:34, Anouk Radix  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandi, I think i found the right tool www.ebook-converter.com 
>  it can strip drm AND convert the kindle 
> ebook to word or html.
> For me still the problem remains how to get the books out of kindle 
> htough? Because the app seems wholly inaccessible with voiceover. I have 
> somehow been able to login but how to get all the kindle books FROM the 
> lcoud TO the mac…
> Greetings, Anouk,
>> On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:25, Sandi Jazmin Kruse > > wrote:
>> 
>> that is how i would do it as well, did not know about the remover
>> program, however, do you have a  url for that ?
>> 
>> On 10/6/16, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>>> Hello David etc.
>>> 
>>> It’s a very clunky experience and I’m probably making it harder for 
>>> myself
>>> than necessary.
>>> 
>>> 1. Buy a book from Amazon
>>> 2. Open Kindle for Mac and press enter on my new purchase so it is 
>>> pulled
>>> down on to the Mac’s HD.
>>> 3. Open Kindle DRM removal and select the new book and remove it’s DRM.
>>> 4. Then from the terminal use the calibre ebook-convert command to 
>>> generate
>>> whatever format I require. For my recipe books I like to be able to 
>>> search
>>> so I convert to plain text. Others I use epubl
>>> 
>>> That’s it in a nutshell. The DRM removal tool is an app that offers a 
>>> free
>>> demo period but then a licence has to be purchased.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 6 Oct 2016, at 08:26, David Griffith > wrote:
 
 The last time I tried I could get no Voiceover output book reading 
 using
 the Kindle app and there appeared no MacOS Accessibility TTS plug in as
 available on Windows.
 
 
 I believe some people use Calibre via command line interface to make 
 the
 Kindle books accessible. I would welcome step by sep instructions here 
 as
 well.
 
 
 David Griffith
 
 
 MOn 06/10/2016 01:12, Ryan Mann wrote:
 
> On the PC, there is a program called Codex that can be used to convert
> Kindle books to other formats such as Word or HTML.  Is there a 
> program
> like this for Mac OS?  If not, is there at least a way to read Kindle
> books with VoiceOver?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
 
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Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[Kliphton Miller]

Also, to follow up to confirm that my device is registered, my kids tell me 
that they see a bunch of book covers.
> On Oct 8, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello Clifton,
> 
> You won’t be able to access your books until you have registered your device. 
> The opening dialogs tell you this. If you have a huge library as you claim 
> you will understand this. Read the install instructions for Kindle for Mac as 
> supplied by Amazon.
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 01:56, Kliphton Miller > > wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, I downloaded the kindle app, and I think I downloaded my entire 
>> collection.  1. I can’t find the kindle book library nowhere on my mac.  2. 
>> I can not navigate books in the kindle app, let alone open them with command 
>> O.  I have tried with quick nav on and off, and either method does not work. 
>>  What am I doing wrong here?
>>> On Oct 7, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Yes that’s the tool I use. It removes the DRM and puts the stripped file in 
>>> a subdirectory of your documents folder.
>>> 
>>> ~/Documents/Ebook Converter/
>>> 
>>> As for opening your kindle book. Kindle for Mac does allow navigation of 
>>> the library using VoiceOver. The hardest part is to register your app to 
>>> your account. But once you’ve done that you can navigate it using VO keys. 
>>> By interacting with the book list you can open a book by cmd + o, then 
>>> closing it by cmd + w. Which pulls it down to the HD. You can see the 
>>> commands on the pull down menus. I need to press return sometimes to get 
>>> the focus on the book I want to open.
>>> 
>>> As I said, it’s clunky!
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> 
 On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:34, Anouk Radix > wrote:
 
 Hi Sandi, I think i found the right tool www.ebook-converter.com 
  it can strip drm AND convert the kindle 
 ebook to word or html.
 For me still the problem remains how to get the books out of kindle 
 htough? Because the app seems wholly inaccessible with voiceover. I have 
 somehow been able to login but how to get all the kindle books FROM the 
 lcoud TO the mac…
 Greetings, Anouk,
> On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:25, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  > wrote:
> 
> that is how i would do it as well, did not know about the remover
> program, however, do you have a  url for that ?
> 
> On 10/6/16, Georgina Joyce > 
> wrote:
>> Hello David etc.
>> 
>> It’s a very clunky experience and I’m probably making it harder for 
>> myself
>> than necessary.
>> 
>> 1. Buy a book from Amazon
>> 2. Open Kindle for Mac and press enter on my new purchase so it is pulled
>> down on to the Mac’s HD.
>> 3. Open Kindle DRM removal and select the new book and remove it’s DRM.
>> 4. Then from the terminal use the calibre ebook-convert command to 
>> generate
>> whatever format I require. For my recipe books I like to be able to 
>> search
>> so I convert to plain text. Others I use epubl
>> 
>> That’s it in a nutshell. The DRM removal tool is an app that offers a 
>> free
>> demo period but then a licence has to be purchased.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 6 Oct 2016, at 08:26, David Griffith >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The last time I tried I could get no Voiceover output book reading using
>>> the Kindle app and there appeared no MacOS Accessibility TTS plug in as
>>> available on Windows.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I believe some people use Calibre via command line interface to make the
>>> Kindle books accessible. I would welcome step by sep instructions here 
>>> as
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David Griffith
>>> 
>>> 
>>> MOn 06/10/2016 01:12, Ryan Mann wrote:
>>> 
 On the PC, there is a program called Codex that can be used to convert
 Kindle books to other formats such as Word or HTML.  Is there a program
 like this for Mac OS?  If not, is there at least a way to read Kindle
 books with VoiceOver?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[Kliphton Miller]

My device is registered.  It says “Kliphton’s kindle for mac” When I open the 
kindle app and just to the left of the tool bar.
> On Oct 8, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello Clifton,
> 
> You won’t be able to access your books until you have registered your device. 
> The opening dialogs tell you this. If you have a huge library as you claim 
> you will understand this. Read the install instructions for Kindle for Mac as 
> supplied by Amazon.
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 01:56, Kliphton Miller > > wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, I downloaded the kindle app, and I think I downloaded my entire 
>> collection.  1. I can’t find the kindle book library nowhere on my mac.  2. 
>> I can not navigate books in the kindle app, let alone open them with command 
>> O.  I have tried with quick nav on and off, and either method does not work. 
>>  What am I doing wrong here?
>>> On Oct 7, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Yes that’s the tool I use. It removes the DRM and puts the stripped file in 
>>> a subdirectory of your documents folder.
>>> 
>>> ~/Documents/Ebook Converter/
>>> 
>>> As for opening your kindle book. Kindle for Mac does allow navigation of 
>>> the library using VoiceOver. The hardest part is to register your app to 
>>> your account. But once you’ve done that you can navigate it using VO keys. 
>>> By interacting with the book list you can open a book by cmd + o, then 
>>> closing it by cmd + w. Which pulls it down to the HD. You can see the 
>>> commands on the pull down menus. I need to press return sometimes to get 
>>> the focus on the book I want to open.
>>> 
>>> As I said, it’s clunky!
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> 
 On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:34, Anouk Radix > wrote:
 
 Hi Sandi, I think i found the right tool www.ebook-converter.com 
  it can strip drm AND convert the kindle 
 ebook to word or html.
 For me still the problem remains how to get the books out of kindle 
 htough? Because the app seems wholly inaccessible with voiceover. I have 
 somehow been able to login but how to get all the kindle books FROM the 
 lcoud TO the mac…
 Greetings, Anouk,
> On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:25, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  > wrote:
> 
> that is how i would do it as well, did not know about the remover
> program, however, do you have a  url for that ?
> 
> On 10/6/16, Georgina Joyce > 
> wrote:
>> Hello David etc.
>> 
>> It’s a very clunky experience and I’m probably making it harder for 
>> myself
>> than necessary.
>> 
>> 1. Buy a book from Amazon
>> 2. Open Kindle for Mac and press enter on my new purchase so it is pulled
>> down on to the Mac’s HD.
>> 3. Open Kindle DRM removal and select the new book and remove it’s DRM.
>> 4. Then from the terminal use the calibre ebook-convert command to 
>> generate
>> whatever format I require. For my recipe books I like to be able to 
>> search
>> so I convert to plain text. Others I use epubl
>> 
>> That’s it in a nutshell. The DRM removal tool is an app that offers a 
>> free
>> demo period but then a licence has to be purchased.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 6 Oct 2016, at 08:26, David Griffith >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The last time I tried I could get no Voiceover output book reading using
>>> the Kindle app and there appeared no MacOS Accessibility TTS plug in as
>>> available on Windows.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I believe some people use Calibre via command line interface to make the
>>> Kindle books accessible. I would welcome step by sep instructions here 
>>> as
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David Griffith
>>> 
>>> 
>>> MOn 06/10/2016 01:12, Ryan Mann wrote:
>>> 
 On the PC, there is a program called Codex that can be used to convert
 Kindle books to other formats such as Word or HTML.  Is there a program
 like this for Mac OS?  If not, is there at least a way to read Kindle
 books with VoiceOver?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>>> 
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>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or
>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the
>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark
>>> 

iBooks

[christopher hallsworth]

Evening everyone.

So, we have iBooks on the mac. Any tips and tricks for an upcoming new mac user 
like Hannah? Asking as can’t think of any off hand as don’t use it on a regular 
basis.

Thanks, any responses are greatly appreciated.


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Re: An iOS iBook VoiceOver Continuous Reading Bug, Detected, Please Confirm

[Blee Blat]

This is not a new bug here. It has been going on ever since I have been using 
ibooks, but I'll send in another report. I do the same as you when reading 
books and it's  annoying when they have hyperlinks that pause reading.

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Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Clifton,

You won’t be able to access your books until you have registered your device. 
The opening dialogs tell you this. If you have a huge library as you claim you 
will understand this. Read the install instructions for Kindle for Mac as 
supplied by Amazon.

Gena




> On 8 Oct 2016, at 01:56, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Okay, I downloaded the kindle app, and I think I downloaded my entire 
> collection.  1. I can’t find the kindle book library nowhere on my mac.  2. I 
> can not navigate books in the kindle app, let alone open them with command O. 
>  I have tried with quick nav on and off, and either method does not work.  
> What am I doing wrong here?
>> On Oct 7, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Yes that’s the tool I use. It removes the DRM and puts the stripped file in 
>> a subdirectory of your documents folder.
>> 
>> ~/Documents/Ebook Converter/
>> 
>> As for opening your kindle book. Kindle for Mac does allow navigation of the 
>> library using VoiceOver. The hardest part is to register your app to your 
>> account. But once you’ve done that you can navigate it using VO keys. By 
>> interacting with the book list you can open a book by cmd + o, then closing 
>> it by cmd + w. Which pulls it down to the HD. You can see the commands on 
>> the pull down menus. I need to press return sometimes to get the focus on 
>> the book I want to open.
>> 
>> As I said, it’s clunky!
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:34, Anouk Radix >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sandi, I think i found the right tool www.ebook-converter.com 
>>>  it can strip drm AND convert the kindle 
>>> ebook to word or html.
>>> For me still the problem remains how to get the books out of kindle htough? 
>>> Because the app seems wholly inaccessible with voiceover. I have somehow 
>>> been able to login but how to get all the kindle books FROM the lcoud TO 
>>> the mac…
>>> Greetings, Anouk,
 On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:25, Sandi Jazmin Kruse > wrote:
 
 that is how i would do it as well, did not know about the remover
 program, however, do you have a  url for that ?
 
 On 10/6/16, Georgina Joyce > 
 wrote:
> Hello David etc.
> 
> It’s a very clunky experience and I’m probably making it harder for myself
> than necessary.
> 
> 1. Buy a book from Amazon
> 2. Open Kindle for Mac and press enter on my new purchase so it is pulled
> down on to the Mac’s HD.
> 3. Open Kindle DRM removal and select the new book and remove it’s DRM.
> 4. Then from the terminal use the calibre ebook-convert command to 
> generate
> whatever format I require. For my recipe books I like to be able to search
> so I convert to plain text. Others I use epubl
> 
> That’s it in a nutshell. The DRM removal tool is an app that offers a free
> demo period but then a licence has to be purchased.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 6 Oct 2016, at 08:26, David Griffith > > wrote:
>> 
>> The last time I tried I could get no Voiceover output book reading using
>> the Kindle app and there appeared no MacOS Accessibility TTS plug in as
>> available on Windows.
>> 
>> 
>> I believe some people use Calibre via command line interface to make the
>> Kindle books accessible. I would welcome step by sep instructions here as
>> well.
>> 
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> 
>> MOn 06/10/2016 01:12, Ryan Mann wrote:
>> 
>>> On the PC, there is a program called Codex that can be used to convert
>>> Kindle books to other formats such as Word or HTML.  Is there a program
>>> like this for Mac OS?  If not, is there at least a way to read Kindle
>>> books with VoiceOver?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[Georgina Joyce]

Handling Kindle Books On The Mac

This guide is not designed to assist the braking of copyright law. Users must 
take responsibility for their own actions and conscience. It is not for the 
faint hearterd either. Difficulty = medium to hard.

 Download the following:
Kindle for Mac (This is for the UK store) So by default, the store is set to 
amazon.co.uk. This setting is difficult to change so download from your country 
to save you the bother.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246110

>From memory, I tapped the tab key twice, then hit enter which forced the 
>authorisation wizard to put the focus in the password field. Then I typed in 
>my password then hit enter. Do these steps very slowly. I have a fast Mac but 
>this wizard is very sluggish. Use VO B to read the dialog box. You’ll get very 
>little speech out of it. You will know if you have been successful because it 
>will present the opening screen which you can VO arrow left and right.

Then download Kindle DRM Removal. This looks different site but I’m sure this 
is the right one.

http://kindle-drm-removal-mac.en.softonic.com/mac/download

This will find the Kindle books that have been pulled down on to the Mac. It 
will create it’s own directory to store DRM removed files. I find the selection 
of books frustrating . You need to interact with the toolbar and click on the 
open files button. Which brings up a typical finder window and it’s difficult 
to know which book is which.

Now download Calibre:
https://calibre-ebook.com/download_osx
For this you might want to manipulate the path variable. As the command line 
tools are hidden in your Applications directory. Mine is:

/Applications/calibre.app/Contents/MacOS/ebook-convert

Don’t forget auto tab completion. So on the command line something like:

ebook-convert My_Recipe_Book.azw3 .rtf

Will generate My_Recipe_Book.rtf

Here’s the help file:

Usage: ebook-convert input_file output_file [options]

Convert an ebook from one format to another.

input_file is the input and output_file is the output. Both must be specified 
as the first two arguments to the command.

The output ebook format is guessed from the file extension of output_file. 
output_file can also be of the special format .EXT where EXT is the output file 
extension. In this case, the name of the output file is derived from the name 
of the input file. Note that the filenames must not start with a hyphen. 
Finally, if output_file has no extension, then it is treated as a directory and 
an "open ebook" (OEB) consisting of HTML files is written to that directory. 
These files are the files that would normally have been passed to the output 
plugin.

After specifying the input and output file you can customize the conversion by 
specifying various options. The available options depend on the input and 
output file types. To get help on them specify the input and output file and 
then use the -h option.

For full documentation of the conversion system see
https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html

Whenever you pass arguments to ebook-convert that have spaces in them, enclose 
the arguments in quotation marks. For example "C:\some path with spaces"

Options:
  --version   show program's version number and exit

  -h, --help  show this help message and exit

  --list-recipes  List builtin recipe names. You can create an ebook from a
  builtin recipe like this: ebook-convert "Recipe Name.recipe"
  output.epub


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> On 8 Oct 2016, at 01:56, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Okay, I downloaded the kindle app, and I think I downloaded my entire 
> collection.  1. I can’t find the kindle book library nowhere on my mac.  2. I 
> can not navigate books in the kindle app, let alone open them with command O. 
>  I have tried with quick nav on and off, and either method does not work.  
> What am I doing wrong here?
>> On Oct 7, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Yes that’s the tool I use. It removes the DRM and puts the stripped file in 
>> a subdirectory of your documents folder.
>> 
>> ~/Documents/Ebook Converter/
>> 
>> As for opening your kindle book. Kindle for Mac does allow navigation of the 
>> library using VoiceOver. The hardest part is to register your app to your 
>> account. But once you’ve done that you can navigate it using VO keys. By 
>> interacting with the book list you can open a book by cmd + o, then closing 
>> it by cmd + w. Which pulls it down to the HD. You can see the commands on 
>> the pull down menus. I need to press return sometimes to get the focus on 
>> the book I want to open.
>> 
>> As I said, it’s clunky!
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Oct 2016, at 11:34, Anouk Radix >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sandi, I think i found the right tool 

Re: navigating mail

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
I figured it out! It was that stupid horizontal splitter bar. I had to put it 
at 19%.
> On Oct 8, 2016, at 1:20 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, it *does* work for me here. Sorry to reply to my own message.
>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 07:19, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is preview pain hidden? Think it works for me but may have to check. Running 
>> Sierra public not beta release.
>>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 03:26, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello:
>>> When in mail, vo j no longer takes me in to the message. Have to press 
>>> command o. Any ideas?
>>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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An iOS iBook VoiceOver Continuous Reading Bug, Detected, Please Confirm

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

My preferred method for reading iOS iBook titles is to use the two-finger,
swipe-down VoiceOver gesture, in order to initiate continuous reading of the
text.  Please note that I am not referring to the Speak Screen accessibility
feature.

For whatever reason, using the method described above, continuous reading is
cancelled if VoiceOver encounters either a hyperlink or headings marker, in
the text.

I first discovered this, last night, while reading the Apple TV User Guide.
The same phenomenon occurred when I tested my hypothesis with the iPhone
User Guide for iOS 10 and iPhone User Guide for iOS 9.3.  

At first, I thought it was some kind of issue with titles produced by Apple
but I tested a recently published (non Apple) title, that has a web link
imbedded in the text, and, just as with the Apple manuals, after less than 1
minute, the screen locked and reading ceased.  

It should be noted, that the hyperlinks that exist in the Table of Contents,
used to jump to a specific area, does not cause interruption to the
continuous reading feature.  I say this because titles in my Library,
containing only such links, read as expected.

Steps to Reproduce:

1.
>From Settings/General/Display and Brightness, set Auto Lock to 30 seconds.

2.
In iBook, open the Apple TV User Guide and, from the table of contents,
select Home Sharing; or, open the iPhone User Guide for iOS 10 and, from the
table of contents, select Basics.

3.
Once the desired page is displayed, perform the two-finger swipe-down
VoiceOver gesture to initiate continuous reading.  

As I said, in my testing, each time either an imbedded hyperlink or heading
is encountered, a short time later, the screen will lock and reading will
stop.  

Please confirm if this occurs during your testing.

I would like to note that, this problem does not occur when using the Speak
Screen accessibility feature.  While certainly useful in some instances, the
Speak Screen feature is not my preferred method for reading iBook titles.  

Mark

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RE: Speaking Bar in IOS10

[Marcia Yale]

And how do I get it back—assuming I might want to do so?

 

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On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 6:48 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Speaking Bar in IOS10

 

Hit 'stop'. You must have activated Speak Screen, a feature where swiping two 
fingers down on the status bar will read the screen aloud using speech that can 
be customized independently from VoiceOver. Stopping this should dismiss the 
bar until you need it again.

On Oct 6, 2016, at 21:10, Marcia Yale  wrote:

 

I have noticed, since updating to IOS10, that often when I exit from the AT
Bat app by pressing the home button I get a message with two buttons:
"minimize speaking bar" and "stop". Does any of you know what this refers
to? If I press the first one, it changes its name to "expand speaking bar",
but nothing really helpful seems to happen!

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accept, and celebrate those differences.
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RE: Speaking Bar in IOS10

[Marcia Yale]

I don’t know what the speak screen is, but if it’s what I have encountered, 
it’s not possible to miss the two buttons. I still don’t know what they are 
supposed to do!

 

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Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 9:54 AM
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Interesting you should bring this up.  With IOS10, I seem always to have 
trouble locating the controls for the speak screen.  Somewhere in the middle of 
the screen I believe but can’t really be sure.  Any quick way you know of to 
find them?

 

 

Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! 

 

On Oct 7, 2016, at 5:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

 

Hit 'stop'. You must have activated Speak Screen, a feature where swiping two 
fingers down on the status bar will read the screen aloud using speech that can 
be customized independently from VoiceOver. Stopping this should dismiss the 
bar until you need it again.

On Oct 6, 2016, at 21:10, Marcia Yale  wrote:

 

I have noticed, since updating to IOS10, that often when I exit from the AT
Bat app by pressing the home button I get a message with two buttons:
"minimize speaking bar" and "stop". Does any of you know what this refers
to? If I press the first one, it changes its name to "expand speaking bar",
but nothing really helpful seems to happen!

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accept, and celebrate those differences.
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Re: Mailbox question

[Donna Goodin]

Hmm.  Maybe they're just picking on those of us who live in the U.S.  ;) 
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 8, 2016, at 2:43 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Interesting,
> 
> Both my main accounts for personal and my work account are exchange based, 
> Personal accounts are exchange 365 based but still I haven't found this 
> yammer box yet,
> I do have the yammer app on my iPhone though.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, 8 October 2016 5:32 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mailbox question
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> I don't.  I think I got it because one of my email accounts is an Exchange 
> account.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Oct 7, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> It may have been with in the office 2016 installer if you have that on your 
>> mac,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, 8 October 2016 2:23 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mailbox question
>> 
>> And, in typical Microsoft fashion, they will not let you delete it.  I'll 
>> post if I find a solution.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 7, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> From my Googling, I'd say if you use Outlook, you have it.  I'm going to 
>>> delete it, we'll see what happens.  Apparently Yammer is a collaboration 
>>> tool that Microsoft is trying to launch.
>>> cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Oct 7, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
 
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Re: problems syncing onedrive from mac to windows

[Anouk Radix]

Hi Chris, I dug a bit deeper into the matter and apparently there is a file 
limit of 10gb with onedrive. My uploadspeed is 50 MB and i did wait about half 
an hour before restarting. Still, I think the file is just too big to be 
transferred comfortably with onedrive so I will try something else.
Thanks anyway,
Greetings, Anouk,
> On 8 Oct 2016, at 12:30, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 70GB zip file.  Keep in mind, the zip file needs to be uploaded before it can 
> be seen in your Onedrive folder on other machines.
> If it were me, I'd probably use local storage (SD card, flash drive) to move 
> such a big file.
> 
> What is your internet upload speed?  Have you tried smaller files to see if 
> they transfer, your Kindle books are pretty small and should transfer 
> instantly where the 70gb zip file may take a while to upload.
> 
> 
> 
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>  Original Message 
> From: Anouk Radix
> Sent: Friday, Oct 7, 2016 6:55 PM EST
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: problems syncing onedrive from mac to windows
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I have 1 tb of onedrive storage and want to move a 70gb zipfile from the
> mac to windows using onedriver. I know onedrive is working because i can
> see my kindlebooks folder on the mac in onedrive while i downloaded them
> using windows.
> 
> However if i put the zip within the onedrive folder it will not show up
> under windows.
> 
> I do get a message when starting windows that onedrive needs permission
> to update itself but i dont see anywhere to give it this permission. Has
> anyone else experienced this? I have windows 10 home and office 365.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help,
> 
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: problems syncing onedrive from mac to windows

[Chris G]

Hi,

70GB zip file.  Keep in mind, the zip file needs to be uploaded before 
it can be seen in your Onedrive folder on other machines.
If it were me, I'd probably use local storage (SD card, flash drive) to 
move such a big file.


What is your internet upload speed?  Have you tried smaller files to see 
if they transfer, your Kindle books are pretty small and should transfer 
instantly where the 70gb zip file may take a while to upload.




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 Original Message 
From: Anouk Radix
Sent: Friday, Oct 7, 2016 6:55 PM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: problems syncing onedrive from mac to windows

Hi Everyone,

I have 1 tb of onedrive storage and want to move a 70gb zipfile from the
mac to windows using onedriver. I know onedrive is working because i can
see my kindlebooks folder on the mac in onedrive while i downloaded them
using windows.

However if i put the zip within the onedrive folder it will not show up
under windows.

I do get a message when starting windows that onedrive needs permission
to update itself but i dont see anywhere to give it this permission. Has
anyone else experienced this? I have windows 10 home and office 365.

Thanks in advance for any help,

Greetings, Anouk,


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RE: Mailbox question

[Simon Fogarty]

Interesting,

 Both my main accounts for personal and my work account are exchange based, 
Personal accounts are exchange 365 based but still I haven't found this yammer 
box yet,
I do have the yammer app on my iPhone though.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, 8 October 2016 5:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mailbox question

Hi Simon,

I don't.  I think I got it because one of my email accounts is an Exchange 
account.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 7, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Donna,
> 
> It may have been with in the office 2016 installer if you have that on your 
> mac,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, 8 October 2016 2:23 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mailbox question
> 
> And, in typical Microsoft fashion, they will not let you delete it.  I'll 
> post if I find a solution.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> From my Googling, I'd say if you use Outlook, you have it.  I'm going to 
>> delete it, we'll see what happens.  Apparently Yammer is a collaboration 
>> tool that Microsoft is trying to launch.
>> cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: navigating mail

[christopher hallsworth]

Yeah, it *does* work for me here. Sorry to reply to my own message.
> On 8 Oct 2016, at 07:19, christopher hallsworth  
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> Is preview pain hidden? Think it works for me but may have to check. Running 
> Sierra public not beta release.
>> On 8 Oct 2016, at 03:26, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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>> Hello:
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Re: ios clock settings

[christopher hallsworth]

I don’t know of any clock settings, but there is date and time settings which 
has not changed in iOS 10.
> On 8 Oct 2016, at 03:25, Jean  wrote:
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> Hello All:
> 
> The clock settings used to be in the main settings menu under contact, 
> calendars and clock or some such name. Now I can’t find them anywhere. Does 
> anyone know where to find them under ios 10?
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Re: navigating mail

[christopher hallsworth]

Is preview pain hidden? Think it works for me but may have to check. Running 
Sierra public not beta release.
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