Re: Moving Mailbox to Local Folder

[Jonathan Cohn]

In the mailbox list you must use the VO cursor to find the On My Mac line. The 
arrow keys will just skip over that line. 

Item chooser will also work, but it is a bit slow. I highly recommend that you 
don't try  vo-END on the mailbox list, I found VO hanging with this command.


Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Dec 11, 2016, at 6:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I have some folders I wish to move to the On My Mac folder. These are 
> folders I currently keep on the Windows machine. I moved them into an IMAP 
> folder and see them on the Mac.
> 
>   First I do not see an option to do this and second, I do not see the On My 
> Mac folder. What do I need to do here? Thanks.
> 
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Re: Moving Mailbox to Local Folder

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Dec 11, 2016, at 6:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I have some folders I wish to move to the On My Mac folder. These are 
> folders I currently keep on the Windows machine. I moved them into an IMAP 
> folder and see them on the Mac.
> 
>   First I do not see an option to do this and second, I do not see the On My 
> Mac folder. What do I need to do here? Thanks.
> 
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Re: Moving Mailbox to Local Folder

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes it totally hangs the mail app and i had to force quit it.
/A
> 12 dec. 2016 kl. 13:58 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
> 
> In the mailbox list you must use the VO cursor to find the On My Mac line. 
> The arrow keys will just skip over that line. 
> 
> Item chooser will also work, but it is a bit slow. I highly recommend that 
> you don't try  vo-END on the mailbox list, I found VO hanging with this 
> command.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 6:02 PM, E.T. > > wrote:
>> 
>>   I have some folders I wish to move to the On My Mac folder. These are 
>> folders I currently keep on the Windows machine. I moved them into an IMAP 
>> folder and see them on the Mac.
>> 
>>   First I do not see an option to do this and second, I do not see the On My 
>> Mac folder. What do I need to do here? Thanks.
>> 
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Re: Moving Mailbox to Local Folder

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

A reminder that the "On My Mac" is simply a Header for the "On My Mac" folder.  
When you use VO navigation to locate it, it will have an disclosure triangle 
for expanding/closing.  When it is closed, you cannot send anything its way.  
When expanded, you need to choose a folder from within its contents to 
move/copy items to.  There should be no issues copying between iMap and folders 
on your Mac.  I go the other way all the time.  I much prefer them in the iMap 
location so that they're accessible to all my devices using that eMail account.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 12, 2016, at 08:15, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Yes it totally hangs the mail app and i had to force quit it.
/A
> 12 dec. 2016 kl. 13:58 skrev Jonathan Cohn  >:
> 
> In the mailbox list you must use the VO cursor to find the On My Mac line. 
> The arrow keys will just skip over that line. 
> 
> Item chooser will also work, but it is a bit slow. I highly recommend that 
> you don't try  vo-END on the mailbox list, I found VO hanging with this 
> command.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 6:02 PM, E.T. > > wrote:
>> 
>>   I have some folders I wish to move to the On My Mac folder. These are 
>> folders I currently keep on the Windows machine. I moved them into an IMAP 
>> folder and see them on the Mac.
>> 
>>   First I do not see an option to do this and second, I do not see the On My 
>> Mac folder. What do I need to do here? Thanks.
>> 
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Re: Moving Mailbox to Local Folder

[Krister Ekstrom]

Ok, a little late into this thread, but can i actually copy a folder from the 
”on my mac” location to my imap account, or is there even a way to merge a 
couple folders with the same name, on in my IMap account and one in the ”on my 
mac” folder? If so how?
Yes i should know this but alas i don’t.
/Krister

> 12 dec. 2016 kl. 16:24 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A reminder that the "On My Mac" is simply a Header for the "On My Mac" 
> folder.  When you use VO navigation to locate it, it will have an disclosure 
> triangle for expanding/closing.  When it is closed, you cannot send anything 
> its way.  When expanded, you need to choose a folder from within its contents 
> to move/copy items to.  There should be no issues copying between iMap and 
> folders on your Mac.  I go the other way all the time.  I much prefer them in 
> the iMap location so that they're accessible to all my devices using that 
> eMail account.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 12, 2016, at 08:15, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Yes it totally hangs the mail app and i had to force quit it.
> /A
>> 12 dec. 2016 kl. 13:58 skrev Jonathan Cohn > >:
>> 
>> In the mailbox list you must use the VO cursor to find the On My Mac line. 
>> The arrow keys will just skip over that line. 
>> 
>> Item chooser will also work, but it is a bit slow. I highly recommend that 
>> you don't try  vo-END on the mailbox list, I found VO hanging with this 
>> command.
>> 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 6:02 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>   I have some folders I wish to move to the On My Mac folder. These are 
>>> folders I currently keep on the Windows machine. I moved them into an IMAP 
>>> folder and see them on the Mac.
>>> 
>>>   First I do not see an option to do this and second, I do not see the On 
>>> My Mac folder. What do I need to do here? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Moving Mailbox to Local Folder

[Jonathan Cohn]

There is no direct way to do this. Just create the Mailbox, then go to the
source mailbox and do a select all. Then do a move command. It you have
over 1000 messages you will need to give it some time especially if moving
to the iMap folder. I try to clear out older messages around this time from
my IMAP folders and place them on my ON MY MAC mailbox.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:52 AM Krister Ekstrom 
wrote:

> Ok, a little late into this thread, but can i actually copy a folder from
> the ”on my mac” location to my imap account, or is there even a way to
> merge a couple folders with the same name, on in my IMap account and one in
> the ”on my mac” folder? If so how?
> Yes i should know this but alas i don’t.
> /Krister
>
> 12 dec. 2016 kl. 16:24 skrev Tim Kilburn :
>
> Hi,
>
> A reminder that the "On My Mac" is simply a Header for the "On My Mac"
> folder.  When you use VO navigation to locate it, it will have an
> disclosure triangle for expanding/closing.  When it is closed, you cannot
> send anything its way.  When expanded, you need to choose a folder from
> within its contents to move/copy items to.  There should be no issues
> copying between iMap and folders on your Mac.  I go the other way all the
> time.  I much prefer them in the iMap location so that they're accessible
> to all my devices using that eMail account.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Dec 12, 2016, at 08:15, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>
> Hi!
> Yes it totally hangs the mail app and i had to force quit it.
> /A
>
> 12 dec. 2016 kl. 13:58 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
>
> In the mailbox list you must use the VO cursor to find the On My Mac line.
> The arrow keys will just skip over that line.
>
> Item chooser will also work, but it is a bit slow. I highly recommend that
> you don't try  vo-END on the mailbox list, I found VO hanging with this
> command.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2016, at 6:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>
>   I have some folders I wish to move to the On My Mac folder. These are
> folders I currently keep on the Windows machine. I moved them into an IMAP
> folder and see them on the Mac.
>
>   First I do not see an option to do this and second, I do not see the On
> My Mac folder. What do I need to do here? Thanks.
>
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Re: Moving Mailbox to Local Folder

[E.T.]

   With or without using the VO keys I am not hearing the On My Mac 
category. Well now, after I invoked the Item Chooser, the VO keys did 
speak the heading. Interesting.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/12/2016 4:58 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

In the mailbox list you must use the VO cursor to find the On My Mac
line. The arrow keys will just skip over that line.

Item chooser will also work, but it is a bit slow. I highly recommend
that you don't try  vo-END on the mailbox list, I found VO hanging with
this command.


Best wishes,

Jonathan




On Dec 11, 2016, at 6:02 PM, E.T. mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  I have some folders I wish to move to the On My Mac folder. These
are folders I currently keep on the Windows machine. I moved them into
an IMAP folder and see them on the Mac.

  First I do not see an option to do this and second, I do not see the
On My Mac folder. What do I need to do here? Thanks.

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ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

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Re: Moving Mailbox to Local Folder

[E.T.]

Hi Tim,
   There are some emails I do not need floating in space all the time. 
Maybe its paranoia.


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On 12/12/2016 7:24 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

A reminder that the "On My Mac" is simply a Header for the "On My Mac"
folder.  When you use VO navigation to locate it, it will have an
disclosure triangle for expanding/closing.  When it is closed, you
cannot send anything its way.  When expanded, you need to choose a
folder from within its contents to move/copy items to.  There should be
no issues copying between iMap and folders on your Mac.  I go the other
way all the time.  I much prefer them in the iMap location so that
they're accessible to all my devices using that eMail account.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 12, 2016, at 08:15, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:

Hi!
Yes it totally hangs the mail app and i had to force quit it.
/A

12 dec. 2016 kl. 13:58 skrev Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>>:

In the mailbox list you must use the VO cursor to find the On My Mac
line. The arrow keys will just skip over that line.

Item chooser will also work, but it is a bit slow. I highly recommend
that you don't try  vo-END on the mailbox list, I found VO hanging
with this command.


Best wishes,

Jonathan




On Dec 11, 2016, at 6:02 PM, E.T. mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  I have some folders I wish to move to the On My Mac folder. These
are folders I currently keep on the Windows machine. I moved them
into an IMAP folder and see them on the Mac.

  First I do not see an option to do this and second, I do not see
the On My Mac folder. What do I need to do here? Thanks.

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Latest macbook pro with touch bar and activating Voiceover

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I had a chance today to lay my hands on the latest macbook pro with the shiny 
totally smooth touch bar replacing the function keys.  How does one activate 
Voiceover now?  How can we - if we can at all - use the commands involving 
function keys?  Is there a description of these functionalities anywhere on 
Apple's website?  I've failed to find it.

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Re: Latest macbook pro with touch bar and activating Voiceover

[Scott Granados]

Andrew, you simply triple tap the touch bar to activate voiceover now.  I 
posted something from accessibility about this earlier. You can also use 
similar voice over methods to select keys on the touch bar.

Hope that helps.

> On Dec 12, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
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> Voiceover now?  How can we - if we can at all - use the commands involving 
> function keys?  Is there a description of these functionalities anywhere on 
> Apple's website?  I've failed to find it.
> 
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Off topic: Sonos connect:AMP again

[Andrew Lamanche]

Please write off list as it is off topic.  My first Sonos connect:AMP is 
arriving tomorrow and I'm feeling somewhat anxious.  I know some of you have 
got this product.  Could you share any info on the physical placement of ports 
and controls on the actual box?  Also, any tips for setting it up for the first 
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Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[Cheree Heppe]

Vo stuttering seems to happen when using the phone following accessing apps.
Disabling vo and re-engaging sets vo temporarily right.
The vo stuttering sounds the way a Windows speech synth does when two 
iterations of synths  run simultaneously.
Anyone experiencing this?
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Re: Latest macbook pro with touch bar and activating Voiceover

[Nektarios Mallas]

You actually activate voice over by holding down the command key and triple tap 
the touch Id

Nektarios.

> On 12 Dec 2016, at 18:43, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Andrew, you simply triple tap the touch bar to activate voiceover now.  I 
> posted something from accessibility about this earlier. You can also use 
> similar voice over methods to select keys on the touch bar.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
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>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I had a chance today to lay my hands on the latest macbook pro with the 
>> shiny totally smooth touch bar replacing the function keys.  How does one 
>> activate Voiceover now?  How can we - if we can at all - use the commands 
>> involving function keys?  Is there a description of these functionalities 
>> anywhere on Apple's website?  I've failed to find it.
>> 
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Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[Christine Grassman]

Yes, this has been happening several times a week for me.
Christine

> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
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Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[Scott Granados]

Hi, what voice are you using and are you using the compact or full uncompressed 
voice?  I have not experienced this but I’m running the 7+ with the latest 
processor so it may be an issue of horse power.  Do you have a lot of apps 
running in the background?

Thanks
Scott

> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
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> Vo stuttering seems to happen when using the phone following accessing apps.
> Disabling vo and re-engaging sets vo temporarily right.
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> Anyone experiencing this?
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[Christine Grassman]

Speaking only for myself, of course, I have an iPhone 6, using the latest iOS, 
with the Australian male voice by default, but this has happened with Alex as 
well. Not compressed, and with or without apps in the background.
Christine

> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, what voice are you using and are you using the compact or full 
> uncompressed voice?  I have not experienced this but I’m running the 7+ with 
> the latest processor so it may be an issue of horse power.  Do you have a lot 
> of apps running in the background?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Vo stuttering seems to happen when using the phone following accessing apps.
>> Disabling vo and re-engaging sets vo temporarily right.
>> The vo stuttering sounds the way a Windows speech synth does when two 
>> iterations of synths  run simultaneously.
>> Anyone experiencing this?
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[Scott Granados]

This 6 is a few generations out now so likely under powered.  That’s a guess 
anyway.  On the 6S and 7+ things seem pretty stable, especially the 7+.  Then 
again, the A10 chip has the same processing power as the 13 inch MacBook Pro so 
I would hope so.:)


> On Dec 12, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
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> Speaking only for myself, of course, I have an iPhone 6, using the latest 
> iOS, with the Australian male voice by default, but this has happened with 
> Alex as well. Not compressed, and with or without apps in the background.
> Christine
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, what voice are you using and are you using the compact or full 
>> uncompressed voice?  I have not experienced this but I’m running the 7+ with 
>> the latest processor so it may be an issue of horse power.  Do you have a 
>> lot of apps running in the background?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vo stuttering seems to happen when using the phone following accessing apps.
>>> Disabling vo and re-engaging sets vo temporarily right.
>>> The vo stuttering sounds the way a Windows speech synth does when two 
>>> iterations of synths  run simultaneously.
>>> Anyone experiencing this?
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Latest macbook pro with touch bar and activating Voiceover

[Scott Granados]

Oh it’s the Touch ID portion, not the touch bar itself?

Thanks for the clarification, I thought you tapped on the bar not the reader.

> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
> 
> You actually activate voice over by holding down the command key and triple 
> tap the touch Id
> 
> Nektarios.
> 
>> On 12 Dec 2016, at 18:43, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Andrew, you simply triple tap the touch bar to activate voiceover now.  I 
>> posted something from accessibility about this earlier. You can also use 
>> similar voice over methods to select keys on the touch bar.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I had a chance today to lay my hands on the latest macbook pro with the 
>>> shiny totally smooth touch bar replacing the function keys.  How does one 
>>> activate Voiceover now?  How can we - if we can at all - use the commands 
>>> involving function keys?  Is there a description of these functionalities 
>>> anywhere on Apple's website?  I've failed to find it.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[Jenine Stanley]

I’ve had the double synth effect on my 6S running one of the earlier beta 10.2 
versions and have heard some breaking up of the speech since then but not the 
double effect or changing to the compact voice. I’m using the US Siri male 
voice for VO. 

It seems to happen when I do have a number of apps open and running so power 
could be the issue but that said, I haven’t checked *every* time for this so 
can’t verify.
Jenine Stanley
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> On Dec 12, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> This 6 is a few generations out now so likely under powered.  That’s a guess 
> anyway.  On the 6S and 7+ things seem pretty stable, especially the 7+.  Then 
> again, the A10 chip has the same processing power as the 13 inch MacBook Pro 
> so I would hope so.:)
> 
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Speaking only for myself, of course, I have an iPhone 6, using the latest 
>> iOS, with the Australian male voice by default, but this has happened with 
>> Alex as well. Not compressed, and with or without apps in the background.
>> Christine
>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, what voice are you using and are you using the compact or full 
>>> uncompressed voice?  I have not experienced this but I’m running the 7+ 
>>> with the latest processor so it may be an issue of horse power.  Do you 
>>> have a lot of apps running in the background?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
 On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
 
 
 Vo stuttering seems to happen when using the phone following accessing 
 apps.
 Disabling vo and re-engaging sets vo temporarily right.
 The vo stuttering sounds the way a Windows speech synth does when two 
 iterations of synths  run simultaneously.
 Anyone experiencing this?
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Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Not from what i can tell.
Can you exactly tell us what apps you use when this happens and what phone you 
have.
Its much easier to help then.
/A
> 12 dec. 2016 kl. 18:17 skrev Cheree Heppe :
> 
> 
> Vo stuttering seems to happen when using the phone following accessing apps.
> Disabling vo and re-engaging sets vo temporarily right.
> The vo stuttering sounds the way a Windows speech synth does when two 
> iterations of synths  run simultaneously.
> Anyone experiencing this?
> Sent from my iPhone
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New ios 10.2 is out.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
>From what i can see the Ios 10.2 is out.
I can download it to my ipad mini 4 but not my Iphone as its on beta so i guess 
its likely that this is on beta.
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Re: Latest macbook pro with touch bar and activating Voiceover

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Command key? I thought it was the FN key.
- Original Message - 
From: "Nektarios Mallas" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Latest macbook pro with touch bar and activating Voiceover


You actually activate voice over by holding down the command key and triple 
tap the touch Id


Nektarios.


On 12 Dec 2016, at 18:43, Scott Granados  wrote:

Andrew, you simply triple tap the touch bar to activate voiceover now.  I 
posted something from accessibility about this earlier. You can also use 
similar voice over methods to select keys on the touch bar.


Hope that helps.


On Dec 12, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Hi,

I had a chance today to lay my hands on the latest macbook pro with the 
shiny totally smooth touch bar replacing the function keys.  How does one 
activate Voiceover now?  How can we - if we can at all - use the commands 
involving function keys?  Is there a description of these functionalities 
anywhere on Apple's website?  I've failed to find it.


Andrew

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Re: a couple of ipod questions?

[Todor Fassl]

As an owner of an ipod touch, I agree with the recommendation to buy a 
refurbished iphone. It's not that I don't love my ipod, I use it for so 
many things. But it was $200 new and for just a little more I could have 
gotten a refurbished iphone. The one thing about buying a refurbished 
device is that you have no idea how good the battery will be and that 
can be kind of important.




On 12/08/2016 11:18 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Kare, one thing you could do is use a decommissioned phone, it works just 
nicely as an iPod like device and you don’t need the latest and greatest but 
you can definitely take advantage of enhanced voices.  You also have the 
advantage of having a GPS receiver in these as GPS is part of the cell modem.  
Grab an old 6+ for example and you’ll also have an upgrade path for a while 
longer.



On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

I may make the Classic  a priority then.
For me personally, at least the last time I tested them at an apple store, the  
enhanced ios voices  too were a bit of a physical dizziness risk.
If I can avoid  the touch I  will.
Thanks again,
Kare


On Thu, 8 Dec 2016, Cameron Strife wrote:


Hi Kare. You can download enhanced voices for an iOS device like the
iPod touch but the voices for the rockbox firmware on the iPod video
for example is very slim if any as I recall.

I always wanted the classic as the high capacity model was a whopping
160gb which is still huge now for an mp3 player you can easily fit in
a pants pocket!

Cameron.




On 12/8/16, Todor Fassl  wrote:



This rumor has been around for many years. But I think it refers to the
ipod nano, not the ipod touch. Although, I am not sure what purpose the
ipod touch serves since an ipad mini is so similar.


On 12/08/2016 03:11 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi everyone,
Yes I recall posts indicating that Apple is going to discontinue the
iPod.
I am not seeking a hot off the shelf model regardless, having two
unique questions.
First, what was the last edition that still had buttons?  If I must
get a touch, how close do the voices mirror those on the mac?
Ios makes me literary dizzy so I must choose with great care, part of
why i would prefer a unit with buttons.  Might not need voiceover at
all  in that situation.
I have a head phones question as well  but that would be three so I
will wait.
Thanks,
Kare



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RE: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[Simon Fogarty]

Well there you go,
It's got an austrailian voice, it therrfore has trouble speaking English 
without sounding like a circular saw cutting through corogated iron roofing!



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On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
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Speaking only for myself, of course, I have an iPhone 6, using the latest iOS, 
with the Australian male voice by default, but this has happened with Alex as 
well. Not compressed, and with or without apps in the background.
Christine

> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, what voice are you using and are you using the compact or full 
> uncompressed voice?  I have not experienced this but I’m running the 7+ with 
> the latest processor so it may be an issue of horse power.  Do you have a lot 
> of apps running in the background?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
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>> 
>> 
>> Vo stuttering seems to happen when using the phone following accessing apps.
>> Disabling vo and re-engaging sets vo temporarily right.
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>> Anyone experiencing this?
>> Sent from my iPhone
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bluetooth earpeace for iPhone 7+

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Listers,

I know we've all got our own views on this but can anyone advise what the best 
of the Plantronics Bluetooth headsets are currently?
I've got a voyager edge but I'm finding it's got a real delay in picking up the 
calls infact the connection with my ipHone 7+

I'd like to update to something that''s going to be up to date and work  
instantly for me when answering calls or using my phone and iPad

I beleave there is a newer headset now that is along this line.

Any information would be appreciated.

Simon

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Re: bluetooth earpeace for iPhone 7+

[David Chittenden]

Simon,

I used to use the S530, which I purchased off of eBay. It is a very inexpensive 
earpiece, and typically lasted 6 months. Unfortunately, they updated it and it 
now has a much more significant delay. The older unit had just a minimal delay 
such that I could type messages using the onscreen keyboard with it.

A friend acquired the extremely pricy Motorola Verve bluetooth earpieces for 
his birthday. I tried them and they had quite good musical playback. 
Unfortunately, they had a bad delay as well. So, I am suspecting something 
about the new Bluetooth chipset, as both devices claim Bluetooth 4.2.

I have gone back to using my wired earpods until the Airpods are released.

By the way, we finally learned why the AirPods became delayed. A couple days 
after Apple's September event, someone asked a question about what happens if 
one AirPod gets lost, will Apple sell a single replacement? Apple tested the 
concept and discovered that the current internal configuration would not permit 
this. So, they stopped the production line whilst solving the problem. 
Apparently, the problem has now been corrected, and they are starting the 
production line again. The info about this was printed a couple days ago, but I 
do not remember which paper broke the story. Personally, I would have preferred 
it if Apple would have just come clean at the time, but that's Apple's secrecy 
a bit over-the-top.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 13/12/2016, at 13:24, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Listers,
>  
> I know we’ve all got our own views on this but can anyone advise what the 
> best of the Plantronics Bluetooth headsets are currently?
> I’ve got a voyager edge but I’m finding it’s got a real delay in picking up 
> the calls infact the connection with my ipHone 7+
>  
> I’d like to update to something that’’s going to be up to date and work  
> instantly for me when answering calls or using my phone and iPad
>  
> I beleave there is a newer headset now that is along this line.
>  
> Any information would be appreciated.
>  
> Simon
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Tidal music service

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
I wonder if anyone here has experience with a TIDAL music service. Specifically 
of course, the first question would be about accessibility and ease-of-use of 
the app. I'm kind of interested in the higher fidelity audio that is offered, 
although I don't know the extent of the catalog. I'm mostly a classical music 
and jazz listener. Of course, I have iTunes match and a large Apple Music 
library. But the notion of lossless is intriguing, especially as I have a pair 
of headphones with digital to analog converter that I think would take good 
advantage of this lossless service. So I'm wondering if folks have had good or 
bad experiences.
Mary


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Re: bluetooth earpeace for iPhone 7+

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi,

I just updated to the 7 a couple of days ago and my Plantronics Voyager Legend 
seems to be working pretty good with it. I am actually able to type or use 
dictation quite well.

Gabe


On Dec 12, 2016, at 5:19 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Simon,
> 
> I used to use the S530, which I purchased off of eBay. It is a very 
> inexpensive earpiece, and typically lasted 6 months. Unfortunately, they 
> updated it and it now has a much more significant delay. The older unit had 
> just a minimal delay such that I could type messages using the onscreen 
> keyboard with it.
> 
> A friend acquired the extremely pricy Motorola Verve bluetooth earpieces for 
> his birthday. I tried them and they had quite good musical playback. 
> Unfortunately, they had a bad delay as well. So, I am suspecting something 
> about the new Bluetooth chipset, as both devices claim Bluetooth 4.2.
> 
> I have gone back to using my wired earpods until the Airpods are released.
> 
> By the way, we finally learned why the AirPods became delayed. A couple days 
> after Apple's September event, someone asked a question about what happens if 
> one AirPod gets lost, will Apple sell a single replacement? Apple tested the 
> concept and discovered that the current internal configuration would not 
> permit this. So, they stopped the production line whilst solving the problem. 
> Apparently, the problem has now been corrected, and they are starting the 
> production line again. The info about this was printed a couple days ago, but 
> I do not remember which paper broke the story. Personally, I would have 
> preferred it if Apple would have just come clean at the time, but that's 
> Apple's secrecy a bit over-the-top.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 13/12/2016, at 13:24, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Listers,
>>  
>> I know we’ve all got our own views on this but can anyone advise what the 
>> best of the Plantronics Bluetooth headsets are currently?
>> I’ve got a voyager edge but I’m finding it’s got a real delay in picking up 
>> the calls infact the connection with my ipHone 7+
>>  
>> I’d like to update to something that’’s going to be up to date and work  
>> instantly for me when answering calls or using my phone and iPad
>>  
>> I beleave there is a newer headset now that is along this line.
>>  
>> Any information would be appreciated.
>>  
>> Simon
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RE: bluetooth earpeace for iPhone 7+

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David,

Thanks for that and it looks like a problem across Bluetooth devices rather 
than just the Plantronics edge and IOS 10.

I’ve completely updated the firmware on the edge and nothing with the delay has 
changed for the good if anything I find the delay in switching between synced 
devices such as iPhone and iPad  is even worse
 To the fact that the phone takes about 10 seconds to pick up a connection .

Anyway guess I’ll keep waiting for the apple earpods also, I’m just getting 
sick of waiting and until now not having heard what the delay was.

If this information is correct then it’s good to hear,

If only they will be out before xmas so I can order a set or 2.

Interesting that a couple of weeks ago someone had an email from people thought 
tim cook saying they would be out around now,
And this info you mention,
Hasn’t yet put a release time on them.

Heres hoping

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2016 2:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth earpeace for iPhone 7+

Simon,

I used to use the S530, which I purchased off of eBay. It is a very inexpensive 
earpiece, and typically lasted 6 months. Unfortunately, they updated it and it 
now has a much more significant delay. The older unit had just a minimal delay 
such that I could type messages using the onscreen keyboard with it.

A friend acquired the extremely pricy Motorola Verve bluetooth earpieces for 
his birthday. I tried them and they had quite good musical playback. 
Unfortunately, they had a bad delay as well. So, I am suspecting something 
about the new Bluetooth chipset, as both devices claim Bluetooth 4.2.

I have gone back to using my wired earpods until the Airpods are released.

By the way, we finally learned why the AirPods became delayed. A couple days 
after Apple's September event, someone asked a question about what happens if 
one AirPod gets lost, will Apple sell a single replacement? Apple tested the 
concept and discovered that the current internal configuration would not permit 
this. So, they stopped the production line whilst solving the problem. 
Apparently, the problem has now been corrected, and they are starting the 
production line again. The info about this was printed a couple days ago, but I 
do not remember which paper broke the story. Personally, I would have preferred 
it if Apple would have just come clean at the time, but that's Apple's secrecy 
a bit over-the-top.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 13/12/2016, at 13:24, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Listers,

I know we’ve all got our own views on this but can anyone advise what the best 
of the Plantronics Bluetooth headsets are currently?
I’ve got a voyager edge but I’m finding it’s got a real delay in picking up the 
calls infact the connection with my ipHone 7+

I’d like to update to something that’’s going to be up to date and work  
instantly for me when answering calls or using my phone and iPad

I beleave there is a newer headset now that is along this line.

Any information would be appreciated.

Simon
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Re: bluetooth earpeace for iPhone 7+

[David Chittenden]

I read that email from Tim Cook. It was published last week. Tim said they 
should start coming in a few weeks. In the US, few weeks often means three 
weeks, so I am hoping they will start shipping the week after Xmas.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone

> On 13/12/2016, at 18:52, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
>  
> Thanks for that and it looks like a problem across Bluetooth devices rather 
> than just the Plantronics edge and IOS 10.
>  
> I’ve completely updated the firmware on the edge and nothing with the delay 
> has changed for the good if anything I find the delay in switching between 
> synced devices such as iPhone and iPad  is even worse
>  To the fact that the phone takes about 10 seconds to pick up a connection .
>  
> Anyway guess I’ll keep waiting for the apple earpods also, I’m just getting 
> sick of waiting and until now not having heard what the delay was.
>  
> If this information is correct then it’s good to hear,
>  
> If only they will be out before xmas so I can order a set or 2.
>  
> Interesting that a couple of weeks ago someone had an email from people 
> thought tim cook saying they would be out around now,
> And this info you mention,
> Hasn’t yet put a release time on them.
>  
> Heres hoping  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2016 2:19 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: bluetooth earpeace for iPhone 7+
>  
> Simon,
>  
> I used to use the S530, which I purchased off of eBay. It is a very 
> inexpensive earpiece, and typically lasted 6 months. Unfortunately, they 
> updated it and it now has a much more significant delay. The older unit had 
> just a minimal delay such that I could type messages using the onscreen 
> keyboard with it.
>  
> A friend acquired the extremely pricy Motorola Verve bluetooth earpieces for 
> his birthday. I tried them and they had quite good musical playback. 
> Unfortunately, they had a bad delay as well. So, I am suspecting something 
> about the new Bluetooth chipset, as both devices claim Bluetooth 4.2.
>  
> I have gone back to using my wired earpods until the Airpods are released.
>  
> By the way, we finally learned why the AirPods became delayed. A couple days 
> after Apple's September event, someone asked a question about what happens if 
> one AirPod gets lost, will Apple sell a single replacement? Apple tested the 
> concept and discovered that the current internal configuration would not 
> permit this. So, they stopped the production line whilst solving the problem. 
> Apparently, the problem has now been corrected, and they are starting the 
> production line again. The info about this was printed a couple days ago, but 
> I do not remember which paper broke the story. Personally, I would have 
> preferred it if Apple would have just come clean at the time, but that's 
> Apple's secrecy a bit over-the-top.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 13/12/2016, at 13:24, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Listers,
>  
> I know we’ve all got our own views on this but can anyone advise what the 
> best of the Plantronics Bluetooth headsets are currently?
> I’ve got a voyager edge but I’m finding it’s got a real delay in picking up 
> the calls infact the connection with my ipHone 7+
>  
> I’d like to update to something that’’s going to be up to date and work  
> instantly for me when answering calls or using my phone and iPad
>  
> I beleave there is a newer headset now that is along this line.
>  
> Any information would be appreciated.
>  
> Simon
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Reading of News Articles Using the Actual Twitter Client

[Brian Hansen]

I downloaded the actual Twitter client and installed it on my Mac mini, and I’m 
wondering how to get to the actual articles..  When I’m down-arrowing through 
my timeline, and find a posted article I’m interested in reading, if I hit 
enter on the article all I seem to see is “Tweet Details” or compose a new 
tweet.  Any and all help would be greatly appreciated so I don’t have to run 
and grab my iPhone anytime I want to look at my timeline on Twitter.

Blessings,

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