RE: Mac book pro touch bar

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mike,

 Is there an option to turn vo on from recovery on a machine with the touch bar?


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Monday, 16 January 2017 2:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book pro touch bar

The one limitation is that this does not work to enable voiceover in recovery, 
think i will stick to regular function keys.
> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi listers,
>  
> I just thought I’d pass on a little tip that I found today while playing with 
> one of the new touch bar mac book pro machines.
>  
> Those who have the new MBP have probably found this and others may already 
> have read about it.
>  
> The ability to turn on VoiceOver or one of the other accessibility features 
> isn’t as difficult as we first thought due to no function keys being avaible.
>  
> I found today that if you triple press the button in the top right 
> hand corner  I believe it’s the one for the finger print sensor or was 
> formily the eject button on the older machines, It gives a menu with 
> spoken prompts for all the accessibility features And then allows you 
> to tab through the list and use the space bar to enable the feature 
> you require
>  
> All with a voiceover like prompt speaking each of the options tabbed to.
>  
> Ok so you could just add in the command key and the top right key and 
> get VO straight away but I just thought this feature was a very cool 
> inclusion making life a bit easier
>  
> Now If I could just find the short cut keys for turning up volume then 
> it might be easier again, Tapping the touch bar and then sliding to 
> the volume up touch pad area isn’t as easy as it appears
>  
> Have a good day everyone and hope this is a usefull tip.
> 
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RE: Mac book pro touch bar

[Simon Fogarty]

Thanks for this, I assumed there would be alternate keys but hadn’t heard 
anything.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Carter
Sent: Monday, 16 January 2017 2:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book pro touch bar

Hi,

If you don’t want to use the Touch Bar to adjust the system volume you can use 
the vo keys and the dash key to lower the volume and the vo and the equals key 
to raise the volume. The dash and equals are on the standard numbers row.

Robert Carter


On Jan 15, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:

Hi Simon,

No, I mean the plus/equals key on the number row.  If you go to that key, then 
move your finger up to the touch bar, you should be on the volume control.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi Donna,

You mean below that touch button?

Or the standard + on the number row.

But yeah it’s a great new feature I wasn’t aware of.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2017 5:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book pro touch bar

Thanks, Simon, this is helpful.  As for the volume control, find the Plus key.  
It's right above that.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi listers,

I just thought I’d pass on a little tip that I found today while playing with 
one of the new touch bar mac book pro machines.

Those who have the new MBP have probably found this and others may already have 
read about it.

The ability to turn on VoiceOver or one of the other accessibility features 
isn’t as difficult as we first thought due to no function keys being avaible.

I found today that if you triple press the button in the top right hand corner  
I believe it’s the one for the finger print sensor or was formily the eject 
button on the older machines,
It gives a menu with spoken prompts for all the accessibility features
And then allows you to tab through the list and use the space bar to enable the 
feature you require

All with a voiceover like prompt speaking each of the options tabbed to.

Ok so you could just add in the command key and the top right key and get VO 
straight away but I just thought this feature was a very cool inclusion making 
life a bit easier

Now If I could just find the short cut keys for turning up volume then it might 
be easier again,
Tapping the touch bar and then sliding to the volume up touch pad area isn’t as 
easy as it appears

Have a good day everyone and hope this is a usefull tip.

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RE: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Simon Fogarty]

I’d also like to have a look at the chrome book or more specifically chromevox
But I’d like to know if there are admin type tools and remote access services 
to other OS platforms such as windows or mac os.

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 16 January 2017 2:02 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

I will definitely give that a look.

Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.

On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao 
> wrote:

Hey Scott,

If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. The 
new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and delight 
factors compared to legacy screen readers.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados 
> wrote:
I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on to 
Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few key 
changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to stick with 
my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real improvements and 
changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been trying windows lately 
and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think I’ll be changing my laptop 
game around much but I’m going to really see a big upgrade in phones from Apple 
this year.  Siri needs serious work as well.  Google is doing very interesting 
things now, especially on the google home side of things and I’m having a blast 
with that equipment.


> On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
> > wrote:
>
> Hi Shawn.
>
> Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
> then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and are 
> most important to you.
>
> Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
>
> Hope you get your new computer soon.
>
> Kawal.
>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal I 
>> have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be able to 
>> run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis and I 
>> want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's released.
>>
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> For once, I like your resolution.
>>>
>>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if 
>>> any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion first 
>>> and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I will go 
>>> for a proper considered approach.
>>>
>>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
>>> Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he 
>>> said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it 
>>> after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I saved 
>>> myself from an unwise purchase.
>>>
>>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
>>> phone, I went for it.
>>>
>>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to go up 
>>> (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in the 
>>> short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope we 
>>> have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if you 
>>> live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen.  If 
>>> anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose their 
>>> big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
>>>
>>> Kawal.
 On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor 
 > wrote:

 Hello Everyone,

 I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new 
 year
 resolutions?

 As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 app
 developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility in 
 its
 updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible app
 developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its 
 offerings.

 I look forward to your replies,

 Mark

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RE: Mac book pro touch bar

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Thanks for that, I hadn’t thought of that as a button finder.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Monday, 16 January 2017 1:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book pro touch bar

Hi Simon,

No, I mean the plus/equals key on the number row.  If you go to that key, then 
move your finger up to the touch bar, you should be on the volume control.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi Donna,

You mean below that touch button?

Or the standard + on the number row.

But yeah it’s a great new feature I wasn’t aware of.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2017 5:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac book pro touch bar

Thanks, Simon, this is helpful.  As for the volume control, find the Plus key.  
It's right above that.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi listers,

I just thought I’d pass on a little tip that I found today while playing with 
one of the new touch bar mac book pro machines.

Those who have the new MBP have probably found this and others may already have 
read about it.

The ability to turn on VoiceOver or one of the other accessibility features 
isn’t as difficult as we first thought due to no function keys being avaible.

I found today that if you triple press the button in the top right hand corner  
I believe it’s the one for the finger print sensor or was formily the eject 
button on the older machines,
It gives a menu with spoken prompts for all the accessibility features
And then allows you to tab through the list and use the space bar to enable the 
feature you require

All with a voiceover like prompt speaking each of the options tabbed to.

Ok so you could just add in the command key and the top right key and get VO 
straight away but I just thought this feature was a very cool inclusion making 
life a bit easier

Now If I could just find the short cut keys for turning up volume then it might 
be easier again,
Tapping the touch bar and then sliding to the volume up touch pad area isn’t as 
easy as it appears

Have a good day everyone and hope this is a usefull tip.

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question for anybody with a 2016 macbook pro

[jeff `greene]

Hi I have a 2012 mbp with an ssd. I also have a very large audio book
library. When adding to iTunes iTunes goes into a caniption fit and
says busy for hours. So here's my question, with the 2016 mbp's having
faster cpu's and ssd's does this still happen when importing a big
folder of media into iTunes?
Thanks Jeff
Sorry for the long post!

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Re: sierra and battery status

[Tim Kilburn]

Shawn,

Cool how things come and go on this list.  I'll still say "Good job" to you 
anyway as you were good enough to share it with folks for this need.

Thanks.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 15, 2017, at 18:48, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi Tim. I actually didn't make the Battery Status script. I downloaded it a few 
years ago, coincidentally, from this list when someone else shared it.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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> On Jan 15, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If your Mac is charging, then the battery status is announced by VO, if not, 
> then you have a few options.  You can ask Siri, works but problematic in a 
> meeting or other public venue.  You can go to System Prefs in the Energy 
> Saver pane and it is available there.  Also, in the Activity Monitor.  
> Finally, there is a script that Shaun made available that will, in 
> conjunction with a Keyboard Commander setting, announce the battery status by 
> pressing right option-b.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 15, 2017, at 09:44, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I know this discussion came up a while back but I wasn't running Sierra then. 
> I have recently updated my Mac to Sierra and the menu extras option is not 
> showing the battery level. What is the trick or where can it now be found?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gabe
> 
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Re: sierra and battery status

[Kevin Chao]

Say Power Status: If your Mac is running on battery power, this script
announces the percent of the battery remaining, and the estimated run-time.
If your Mac is running on mains/wall power, the battery percentage is
reported, along with the estimated recharge time.
https://blog.bryansmart.com/2014/07/24/some-scripts-for-voiceover/

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 5:48 PM Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

> Hi Tim. I actually didn't make the Battery Status script. I downloaded it
> a few years ago, coincidentally, from this list when someone else shared it.
>
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>
> > On Jan 15, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > If your Mac is charging, then the battery status is announced by VO, if
> not, then you have a few options.  You can ask Siri, works but problematic
> in a meeting or other public venue.  You can go to System Prefs in the
> Energy Saver pane and it is available there.  Also, in the Activity
> Monitor.  Finally, there is a script that Shaun made available that will,
> in conjunction with a Keyboard Commander setting, announce the battery
> status by pressing right option-b.
> >
> > Later...
> >
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> >
> > On Jan 15, 2017, at 09:44, Gabe Griffith 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I know this discussion came up a while back but I wasn't running Sierra
> then. I have recently updated my Mac to Sierra and the menu extras option
> is not showing the battery level. What is the trick or where can it now be
> found?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> >
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Re: sierra and battery status

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Tim. I actually didn't make the Battery Status script. I downloaded it a few 
years ago, coincidentally, from this list when someone else shared it.

Shawn
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> On Jan 15, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If your Mac is charging, then the battery status is announced by VO, if not, 
> then you have a few options.  You can ask Siri, works but problematic in a 
> meeting or other public venue.  You can go to System Prefs in the Energy 
> Saver pane and it is available there.  Also, in the Activity Monitor.  
> Finally, there is a script that Shaun made available that will, in 
> conjunction with a Keyboard Commander setting, announce the battery status by 
> pressing right option-b.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 15, 2017, at 09:44, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I know this discussion came up a while back but I wasn't running Sierra then. 
> I have recently updated my Mac to Sierra and the menu extras option is not 
> showing the battery level. What is the trick or where can it now be found?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gabe
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Re: Mac book pro touch bar

[Kevin Chao]

"You can use the number row in place of function keys, simply by holding
down function and pressing the number you want. For example, our vo-cmd-f5
command would be the VO modifier, command key, function key, and the number
5. It is important to note that this extends to the accent key, above the
tab key; pressing this with the function key is the same as pressing
escape."

Above is from:
http://www.applevis.com/blog/opinion-reviews/review-2016-macbook-pro-touch-bar

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 5:55 AM Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> The one limitation is that this does not work to enable voiceover in
> recovery, think i will stick to regular function keys.
> > On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi listers,
> >
> > I just thought I’d pass on a little tip that I found today while playing
> with one of the new touch bar mac book pro machines.
> >
> > Those who have the new MBP have probably found this and others may
> already have read about it.
> >
> > The ability to turn on VoiceOver or one of the other accessibility
> features isn’t as difficult as we first thought due to no function keys
> being avaible.
> >
> > I found today that if you triple press the button in the top right hand
> corner  I believe it’s the one for the finger print sensor or was formily
> the eject button on the older machines,
> > It gives a menu with spoken prompts for all the accessibility features
> > And then allows you to tab through the list and use the space bar to
> enable the feature you require
> >
> > All with a voiceover like prompt speaking each of the options tabbed to.
> >
> > Ok so you could just add in the command key and the top right key and
> get VO straight away but I just thought this feature was a very cool
> inclusion making life a bit easier
> >
> > Now If I could just find the short cut keys for turning up volume then
> it might be easier again,
> > Tapping the touch bar and then sliding to the volume up touch pad area
> isn’t as easy as it appears
> >
> > Have a good day everyone and hope this is a usefull tip.
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Kevin Chao]

Braille support on Chrome OS/Vox Next is based on brltty.
I use VarioUltra 40 with Google Pixel 2 all of the time :)

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 5:41 AM Anders Holmberg 
wrote:

> Hi!
> If one could get brltty to run under ChromeOs i maybe would like to try it
> but i still do love my mac.
> But since i don’t use any home automation yet i may be lucky for a while.
> /A
>
> 15 jan. 2017 kl. 14:02 skrev Scott Granados :
>
> I will definitely give that a look.
>
> Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.
>
> On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> Hey Scott,
>
> If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome
> OS/Books. The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance,
> support, and delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados 
> wrote:
>
> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on
> to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few
> key changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to
> stick with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real
> improvements and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been
> trying windows lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think
> I’ll be changing my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a
> big upgrade in phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as
> well.  Google is doing very interesting things now, especially on the
> google home side of things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Shawn.
> >
> > Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions
> as then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do,
> and are most important to you.
> >
> > Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
> >
> > Hope you get your new computer soon.
> >
> > Kawal.
> >> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> >>
> >> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big
> goal I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be
> able to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis
> and I want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's
> released.
> >>
> >> Shawn
> >> Sent From My White MacBook
> >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> >> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> >> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> >> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> >>
> >>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Mark,
> >>>
> >>> For once, I like your resolution.
> >>>
> >>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year
> if any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion
> first and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I
> will go for a proper considered approach.
> >>>
> >>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second
> Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he
> said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it
> after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I saved
> myself from an unwise purchase.
> >>>
> >>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the
> I phone, I went for it.
> >>>
> >>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to
> go up (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in
> the short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope
> we have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if you
> live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen.  If
> anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose their
> big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
> >>>
> >>> Kawal.
>  On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
>  Hello Everyone,
> 
>  I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017
> new year
>  resolutions?
> 
>  As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1
> app
>  developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility
> in its
>  updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver
> accessible app
>  developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its
> offerings.
> 
>  I look forward to your replies,
> 
>  Mark
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Re: iPhone glucose meter recommendation

[John JD Denning]

Thanks everybody for your comments. Yes I started with Google searches, and 
have found a number. But I've not read any comments by blind users. It looks 
like there's one in development now that's very promising and one that I found 
that looked really great but it only works with older iPhones. I'm gonna keep 
looking. I do have a prodigy that I just received. Haven't even used it yet. 
Just put in the batteries and it talks. I've been using for years and Accu Chek 
compact. And what I love about that is that holds a canister that contain 17 
strips. So I never have to mess with strips. I love that for the convenience 
factor. But it doesn't talk at all.

So I'll keep looking for the perfect solution. And if any of you find a perfect 
solution please let me know. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 13:24, Dan D.  wrote:
> 
> 
> A google with:
> 
> iphone glucose meter
> 
> will get a ton of responses.
> 
> 
> They work by sending the result to the iphone/ipad where the app can voice 
> and/or store the result.  Make sure the app is voice accessable.
> 
> One from the above google appears to be an apple product.  One factor is
> the cost of strips.  Actual meters are often given away because they know
> the real money is in the strips which can vary greatly in price.
> 
> Also check with your insurance company because they often will only support 
> certain meters and strips.
> 
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, John JD Denning wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings all. I hope there's someone out there with diabetes with 
>> experience with a glucose meter that works well with your iPhone and 
>> voiceover. If anybody can make a recommendation or share any thoughts I 
>> would appreciate it. I don't want to just be able to port the information 
>> for logging but I'd like something that either has good speech itself, or 
>> relies on the iPhone.
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[David Chittenden]

I purchased an Acer ChromeBook last year. ChromeVox, the ChromeBook's screen 
reader is basic. I played with it about four weeks ago, and it is still to 
basic for anything but the simplest of web work. I cannot recommend the 
ChromeBook for any blind person. It is still too limited.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 16/01/2017, at 02:02, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I will definitely give that a look.
> 
> Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. 
>> The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and 
>> delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on 
>>> to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few 
>>> key changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to 
>>> stick with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real 
>>> improvements and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been 
>>> trying windows lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think 
>>> I’ll be changing my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a 
>>> big upgrade in phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as 
>>> well.  Google is doing very interesting things now, especially on the 
>>> google home side of things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Shawn.
>>> >
>>> > Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions 
>>> > as then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, 
>>> > and are most important to you.
>>> >
>>> > Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
>>> >
>>> > Hope you get your new computer soon.
>>> >
>>> > Kawal.
>>> >> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big 
>>> >> goal I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't 
>>> >> be able to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly 
>>> >> basis and I want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS 
>>> >> once it's released.
>>> >>
>>> >> Shawn
>>> >> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> >> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> >> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> >> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mark,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> For once, I like your resolution.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year 
>>> >>> if any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion 
>>> >>> first and not just rely on the company who will market their product as 
>>> >>> I will go for a proper considered approach.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
>>> >>> Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what 
>>> >>> he said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he 
>>> >>> sold it after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, 
>>> >>> but I saved myself from an unwise purchase.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
>>> >>> phone, I went for it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to 
>>> >>> go up (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive 
>>> >>> in the short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I 
>>> >>> hope we have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store 
>>> >>> here if you live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they 
>>> >>> are chosen.  If anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland 
>>> >>> who will lose their big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Kawal.
>>>  On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>>  I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 
>>>  new year
>>>  resolutions?
>>> 
>>>  As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 
>>>  app
>>>  developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility 
>>>  in its
>>>  updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver 
>>>  accessible app
>>>  developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its 
>>>  offerings.
>>> 
>>> 

Re: iPhone glucose meter recommendation

[Dan D.]

A google with:

iphone glucose meter

will get a ton of responses.


They work by sending the result to the iphone/ipad where the app can voice 
and/or store the result.  Make sure the app is voice accessable.


One from the above google appears to be an apple product.  One factor is
the cost of strips.  Actual meters are often given away because they know
the real money is in the strips which can vary greatly in price.

Also check with your insurance company because they often will only 
support certain meters and strips.


On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, John JD Denning wrote:


Greetings all. I hope there's someone out there with diabetes with experience 
with a glucose meter that works well with your iPhone and voiceover. If anybody 
can make a recommendation or share any thoughts I would appreciate it. I don't 
want to just be able to port the information for logging but I'd like something 
that either has good speech itself, or relies on the iPhone.

Thank you


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: sierra and battery status

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If your Mac is charging, then the battery status is announced by VO, if not, 
then you have a few options.  You can ask Siri, works but problematic in a 
meeting or other public venue.  You can go to System Prefs in the Energy Saver 
pane and it is available there.  Also, in the Activity Monitor.  Finally, there 
is a script that Shaun made available that will, in conjunction with a Keyboard 
Commander setting, announce the battery status by pressing right option-b.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 15, 2017, at 09:44, Gabe Griffith  wrote:

Hello all,

I know this discussion came up a while back but I wasn't running Sierra then. I 
have recently updated my Mac to Sierra and the menu extras option is not 
showing the battery level. What is the trick or where can it now be found?

Thanks,

Gabe


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sierra and battery status

[Gabe Griffith]

Hello all,

I know this discussion came up a while back but I wasn't running Sierra then. I 
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Re: Mac book pro touch bar

[Mike Arrigo]

The one limitation is that this does not work to enable voiceover in recovery, 
think i will stick to regular function keys.
> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi listers,
>  
> I just thought I’d pass on a little tip that I found today while playing with 
> one of the new touch bar mac book pro machines.
>  
> Those who have the new MBP have probably found this and others may already 
> have read about it.
>  
> The ability to turn on VoiceOver or one of the other accessibility features 
> isn’t as difficult as we first thought due to no function keys being avaible.
>  
> I found today that if you triple press the button in the top right hand 
> corner  I believe it’s the one for the finger print sensor or was formily the 
> eject button on the older machines,
> It gives a menu with spoken prompts for all the accessibility features
> And then allows you to tab through the list and use the space bar to enable 
> the feature you require
>  
> All with a voiceover like prompt speaking each of the options tabbed to.
>  
> Ok so you could just add in the command key and the top right key and get VO 
> straight away but I just thought this feature was a very cool inclusion 
> making life a bit easier
>  
> Now If I could just find the short cut keys for turning up volume then it 
> might be easier again,
> Tapping the touch bar and then sliding to the volume up touch pad area isn’t 
> as easy as it appears
>  
> Have a good day everyone and hope this is a usefull tip.
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Re: Mac book pro touch bar

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

If you don’t want to use the Touch Bar to adjust the system volume you can use 
the vo keys and the dash key to lower the volume and the vo and the equals key 
to raise the volume. The dash and equals are on the standard numbers row.

Robert Carter


> On Jan 15, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> No, I mean the plus/equals key on the number row.  If you go to that key, 
> then move your finger up to the touch bar, you should be on the volume 
> control.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>>  
>> You mean below that touch button?
>>  
>> Or the standard + on the number row.
>>  
>> But yeah it’s a great new feature I wasn’t aware of.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2017 5:18 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Mac book pro touch bar
>>  
>> Thanks, Simon, this is helpful.  As for the volume control, find the Plus 
>> key.  It's right above that. 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi listers,
>>  
>> I just thought I’d pass on a little tip that I found today while playing 
>> with one of the new touch bar mac book pro machines.
>>  
>> Those who have the new MBP have probably found this and others may already 
>> have read about it.
>>  
>> The ability to turn on VoiceOver or one of the other accessibility features 
>> isn’t as difficult as we first thought due to no function keys being avaible.
>>  
>> I found today that if you triple press the button in the top right hand 
>> corner  I believe it’s the one for the finger print sensor or was formily 
>> the eject button on the older machines,
>> It gives a menu with spoken prompts for all the accessibility features
>> And then allows you to tab through the list and use the space bar to enable 
>> the feature you require
>>  
>> All with a voiceover like prompt speaking each of the options tabbed to.
>>  
>> Ok so you could just add in the command key and the top right key and get VO 
>> straight away but I just thought this feature was a very cool inclusion 
>> making life a bit easier
>>  
>> Now If I could just find the short cut keys for turning up volume then it 
>> might be easier again,
>> Tapping the touch bar and then sliding to the volume up touch pad area isn’t 
>> as easy as it appears
>>  
>> Have a good day everyone and hope this is a usefull tip.
>>  
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
If one could get brltty to run under ChromeOs i maybe would like to try it but 
i still do love my mac.
But since i don’t use any home automation yet i may be lucky for a while.
/A
> 15 jan. 2017 kl. 14:02 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I will definitely give that a look.
> 
> Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. 
>> The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and 
>> delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on 
>> to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few key 
>> changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to stick 
>> with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real improvements 
>> and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been trying windows 
>> lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think I’ll be changing 
>> my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a big upgrade in 
>> phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as well.  Google is 
>> doing very interesting things now, especially on the google home side of 
>> things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Shawn.
>> >
>> > Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
>> > then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and 
>> > are most important to you.
>> >
>> > Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
>> >
>> > Hope you get your new computer soon.
>> >
>> > Kawal.
>> >> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big 
>> >> goal I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't 
>> >> be able to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly 
>> >> basis and I want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once 
>> >> it's released.
>> >>
>> >> Shawn
>> >> Sent From My White MacBook
>> >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> >> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> >> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> >> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> >>
>> >>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Mark,
>> >>>
>> >>> For once, I like your resolution.
>> >>>
>> >>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year 
>> >>> if any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion 
>> >>> first and not just rely on the company who will market their product as 
>> >>> I will go for a proper considered approach.
>> >>>
>> >>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
>> >>> Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he 
>> >>> said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold 
>> >>> it after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I 
>> >>> saved myself from an unwise purchase.
>> >>>
>> >>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
>> >>> phone, I went for it.
>> >>>
>> >>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to go 
>> >>> up (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in 
>> >>> the short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I 
>> >>> hope we have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store 
>> >>> here if you live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they 
>> >>> are chosen.  If anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland 
>> >>> who will lose their big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
>> >>>
>> >>> Kawal.
>>  On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor >  > wrote:
>> 
>>  Hello Everyone,
>> 
>>  I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new 
>>  year
>>  resolutions?
>> 
>>  As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 
>>  app
>>  developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility 
>>  in its
>>  updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible 
>>  app
>>  developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its 
>>  offerings.
>> 
>>  I look forward to your replies,
>> 
>>  Mark
>> 

Re: T-mobile upgrades Washington DC area almost 1000%.

[Scott Granados]

They were testing out COWs all the time in the Bay Area.  During anything like 
the World Series or out side lands festival they would drive one or more of 
these in the area and set up mobile coverage augmentation.  It’s very cool how 
that works and they can augment areas when they need it.

> On Jan 14, 2017, at 2:23 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> There was a story on NPR (probably local / WAMU) on how mobile companies use 
> COWS to improve service and specifically discussing how the new state of the 
> art COWS have these cheese  wheel antenna that segment the cover area into 20 
> pie segments. Yes they did state that the  antenna look like cheese wheels. 
> They spoke a little with an AT engineer about this. 
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 8:42 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting article about how T-Mobile has increased the capacity of their 
>> network in the Washington DC area almost 1000% using new technologies.  The 
>> changes are meant to support the presidential inauguration but will remain 
>> permanently installed.  Read more here.
>> 
>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/inauguration-network-preps.htm 
>> 
>>   
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Scott Granados]

I will definitely give that a look.

Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.

> On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. 
> The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and 
> delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on to 
> Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few key 
> changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to stick 
> with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real improvements 
> and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been trying windows 
> lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think I’ll be changing my 
> laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a big upgrade in phones 
> from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as well.  Google is doing very 
> interesting things now, especially on the google home side of things and I’m 
> having a blast with that equipment.
> 
> 
> > On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Shawn.
> >
> > Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
> > then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and 
> > are most important to you.
> >
> > Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
> >
> > Hope you get your new computer soon.
> >
> > Kawal.
> >> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal 
> >> I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be 
> >> able to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis 
> >> and I want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's 
> >> released.
> >>
> >> Shawn
> >> Sent From My White MacBook
> >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> >> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> >> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> >> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> >>
> >>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Mark,
> >>>
> >>> For once, I like your resolution.
> >>>
> >>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if 
> >>> any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion 
> >>> first and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I 
> >>> will go for a proper considered approach.
> >>>
> >>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
> >>> Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he 
> >>> said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold 
> >>> it after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I 
> >>> saved myself from an unwise purchase.
> >>>
> >>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
> >>> phone, I went for it.
> >>>
> >>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to go 
> >>> up (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in 
> >>> the short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope 
> >>> we have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if 
> >>> you live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen. 
> >>>  If anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose 
> >>> their big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
> >>>
> >>> Kawal.
>  On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor   > wrote:
> 
>  Hello Everyone,
> 
>  I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new 
>  year
>  resolutions?
> 
>  As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 app
>  developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility in 
>  its
>  updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible 
>  app
>  developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its 
>  offerings.
> 
>  I look forward to your replies,
> 
>  Mark
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Re: Mac book pro touch bar

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Simon,

No, I mean the plus/equals key on the number row.  If you go to that key, then 
move your finger up to the touch bar, you should be on the volume control.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
>  
> You mean below that touch button?
>  
> Or the standard + on the number row.
>  
> But yeah it’s a great new feature I wasn’t aware of.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2017 5:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Mac book pro touch bar
>  
> Thanks, Simon, this is helpful.  As for the volume control, find the Plus 
> key.  It's right above that. 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Hi listers,
>  
> I just thought I’d pass on a little tip that I found today while playing with 
> one of the new touch bar mac book pro machines.
>  
> Those who have the new MBP have probably found this and others may already 
> have read about it.
>  
> The ability to turn on VoiceOver or one of the other accessibility features 
> isn’t as difficult as we first thought due to no function keys being avaible.
>  
> I found today that if you triple press the button in the top right hand 
> corner  I believe it’s the one for the finger print sensor or was formily the 
> eject button on the older machines,
> It gives a menu with spoken prompts for all the accessibility features
> And then allows you to tab through the list and use the space bar to enable 
> the feature you require
>  
> All with a voiceover like prompt speaking each of the options tabbed to.
>  
> Ok so you could just add in the command key and the top right key and get VO 
> straight away but I just thought this feature was a very cool inclusion 
> making life a bit easier
>  
> Now If I could just find the short cut keys for turning up volume then it 
> might be easier again,
> Tapping the touch bar and then sliding to the volume up touch pad area isn’t 
> as easy as it appears
>  
> Have a good day everyone and hope this is a usefull tip.
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