RE: password managers?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi ET,

 Any idea what the price of one password is?

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Subject: Re: password managers?

Had. As in past tense. Think they offer a trial version. By the way if you 
buy both Windows and macOS, the iOS app is free.

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On 3/7/2017 8:34 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
> Hi E.T., I thought one password had VO issues?
> Thanks Jeff
>
>
> On 3/7/17, E.T.  wrote:
>> 1Password. Supports Windows, macOS and iOS,
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 3/7/2017 5:11 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
>>> Hi, So I'm getting tired of forgetting passwords and am thinking 
>>> about getting a password manager. Does anyone know of one that's 
>>> accessible with VO and also works under windows 10 with Jaws or System 
>>> Access?
>>> Thanks Jeff
>>>
>>
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RE: YouTube TV Release Date, Price and Specs

[Simon Fogarty]

So is this going to compete against netflicks or is it more along the lines of 
Cable tv for you American type folks?

 Or what we have here down under called Sky which is a satalite tv 

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Subject: Re: YouTube TV Release Date, Price and Specs

Not really, youtube is offering a decent selection in compared to other things 
like Sling I think, correct me if I’m wrong.  You generally only add on the 
services you want like an HBO or the like.  I’m heavily considering cutting the 
cord on TV so interested in this topic a lot.

> On Mar 6, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Certainly more competition is a good thing, although it sounds like youtube 
> will need to offer more channels in order to compete with the other services, 
> at this point, the channel list is rather lacking.
> Original message:
>> Hello Everyone,
> 
>> Here is an article that I thought you may find interesting.
> 
>> Enjoy,
> 
>> Mark
> 
>> YouTube TV Release Date, Price and Specs - CNET CNET Reviews - 
>> Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:52 AM
> 
>> Cable TV just got its biggest competitor yet.
> 
>> YouTube, the most popular video service on the web that recently 
>> announced it streamed one billion hours per day, is now launching a 
>> live TV service called YouTube TV.
> 
>> Unlike the free YouTube you know so well, populated by cat videos, 
>> how-tos and myriad independent channels and shows, YouTube TV is a 
>> direct competitor to cable you'll have to pay for. It will deliver 
>> live local TV channels like ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC as well as cable 
>> stalwarts like ESPN, the Disney Channel, Fox News and Bravo. 
>> (Disclosure: CBS is the parent company of CNET and Showtime.) The 
>> cost? $35 per month. YouTube hasn't yet set a release date, saying 
>> only that YouTube TV will appear "in the next few months."
> 
>> If you've never had cable TV service, you've already cut the cord, or 
>> you're on the fence considering whether to do so, YouTube TV offers 
>> yet another basically risk-free service to consider. Risk-free 
>> because you can cancel anytime and you're only out $35. Try that with your 
>> cable company.
> 
>> Three similar services exist already, namely Sling TV, PlayStation 
>> Vue and DirecTV Now, and Hulu has said it will debut yet another 
>> entry in this field before the end of the year, too. All offer 
>> various channel packages and features for a range of prices, starting at $20 
>> per month for Sling TV.
>> Here's a closer look.
> 
>> How does YouTube TV's channels compare?
>> This is the big unknown, mainly because it could add more channels 
>> between now and when it launches.
> 
>> YouTube TV claims it's still negotiating with a few program providers 
>> to add channels. It says that the price won't go up if and when that happens.
> 
>> In the meantime, here are all of the channels it has announced so far:
> 
>> The networks included in YouTube TV are mostly the major broadcast 
>> networks and the cable channels owned by their parent companies.
>> YouTube
> 
>> If it launches with only the channels above, its total number of 
>> channels will fall short of the base packages offered by DirecTV Now 
>> ($35/month) and PlayStation Vue ($30 or $40). The selection above is 
>> more than Sling offers in its base package ($20/month), however.
> 
>> Major channels missing from YouTube TV's lineup, yet available on 
>> other services, include AMC, CNN, Comedy Central, Discovery, Food 
>> Network, MTV and TNT, among many others. HBO is also a no-show, but 
>> you can sign up for HBO Now separately.
> 
>> If you're curious, here's a tally of all of the channels available on 
>> the other three.
>> YouTube TV will include YouTube Red original shows and movies. It 
>> also says that all of YouTube's trademark user-generated and 
>> online-native content would be folded into YouTube TV's searches.
>> Beyond channels, what else should I know?
> 
>> The features included with a YouTube TV subscription are similar to 
>> what is offered on other devices, with some major differences.
> 
>> .   Cloud DVR with unlimited storage
>> .   3 simultaneous streams per account
>> .   6 user profiles with separate log-ins per account
>> .   Works with Chromecast, Google Home, computers, iOS and Android
>> phones and tablets
>> .   Launching in select major US cities only
> 
>> The cloud DVR lets you "record" shows to watch later, just like a 
>> traditional cable DVR, and sounds superior to what's offered on competitors.
>> PlayStation Vue's cloud DVR erases your shows after 28 days. Sling 
>> TV's cloud DVR is still in beta and only available with certain 
>> devices, while DirecTV's has been promised but hasn't launched yet.
> 
>> The multiple simultaneous streams is similar to a "family plan" 

Re: password managers?

[jeff `greene]

Hi thanks I'll check it out!
Jeff


On 3/7/17, christopher hallsworth  wrote:
> Ditto. I now use that over 1Password as the features I personally need are
> at no cost.
>> On 7 Mar 2017, at 17:35, Matthew Janusauskas 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Lastpass also is a viable option.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:47 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>Had. As in past tense. Think they offer a trial version. By the way if
>> you buy both Windows and macOS, the iOS app is free.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 3/7/2017 8:34 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
>> Hi E.T., I thought one password had VO issues?
>> Thanks Jeff
>>
>>
>> On 3/7/17, E.T.  wrote:
>> 1Password. Supports Windows, macOS and iOS,
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 3/7/2017 5:11 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
>> Hi, So I'm getting tired of forgetting passwords and am thinking about
>> getting a password manager. Does anyone know of one that's accessible
>> with VO and also works under windows 10 with Jaws or System Access?
>> Thanks Jeff
>>
>>
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Re: password managers?

[christopher hallsworth]

Ditto. I now use that over 1Password as the features I personally need are at 
no cost.
> On 7 Mar 2017, at 17:35, Matthew Janusauskas  wrote:
> 
> Lastpass also is a viable option.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:47 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>Had. As in past tense. Think they offer a trial version. By the way if you 
> buy both Windows and macOS, the iOS app is free.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 3/7/2017 8:34 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
> Hi E.T., I thought one password had VO issues?
> Thanks Jeff
> 
> 
> On 3/7/17, E.T.  wrote:
> 1Password. Supports Windows, macOS and iOS,
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 3/7/2017 5:11 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
> Hi, So I'm getting tired of forgetting passwords and am thinking about
> getting a password manager. Does anyone know of one that's accessible
> with VO and also works under windows 10 with Jaws or System Access?
> Thanks Jeff
> 
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Re: Navigating Finder

[E.T.]

   Right and I do not know because pressing VO shift s just dings.

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On 3/7/2017 9:23 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

According to OV help.

Then use the arrow keys to scroll up or down or side to side. To scroll
vertically one page at a time, use Page Up and Page Down. To scroll
horizontally one page at a time, use Shift-Page Up and Shift-Page Down.
I don't think I ever got good feedback on this though. I wonder, if
speak item under mouse is turned on if that would help.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 6 March 2017 at 18:50, E.T. mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

   Yes I do that too. Am curious though, what is the VO-shift-S
command for then which interacts with scroll bars?

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On 3/6/2017 11:11 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

I have always just typed the prefix of the file I am looking
for, for
example when in the Applications folder typing "p r e " gets me to
preview application.

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 9:27 PM E.T. mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>> wrote:

Jonathan,
Please clarify. When in a folder with hundreds of files,
what
commands do in fact work? So far the only way to scroll and
keep the VO
cursor  visible is simply to use the up and down arrow keys.

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   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

>

On 3/5/2017 12:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> Yes, it is standard in MacOs that the current selection
does not move
> when using standard scrolling functions like page up or
page down. I
> generally avoid these commands for the VoiceOver
equivalent keys or
> using a VoiceOver search.
>
> Other things you might find useful depending on your actions:
> command-J jump to selection Move the selected item to be
visible in a
> scrolling window.
> vo-shift-space click mouse at current mouse location.
>
> If you are in a finder window with list view active and
hit page
up even
> if VoiceOver follows mouse is enabled, you will notice
with vo-F5 vs
> vo-F3 that the mouse and VO cursor are not in the same place.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.
>> mailto:larry.thacker...@gmail.com>
>

>
>> I did my homework, but I haven’t found the answer to this
one.  If I
>> want to move quickly through a list of files in Windows,
I can simply
>> press Page down.  The focus will move with me.  Not so in
Finder.
>>  Focus stays where I left it at last arrow press.  Is
there any
way to
>> make focus travel with the page up and page down keys, or
some way to
>> get it to come to me after scrolling?  If the search
function worked
>> better I wouldn’t have to scroll, but that horse is dead.
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Re: password managers?

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Lastpass also is a viable option.


On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:47 AM, E.T.  wrote:

>Had. As in past tense. Think they offer a trial version. By the way if
> you buy both Windows and macOS, the iOS app is free.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 3/7/2017 8:34 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
>
>> Hi E.T., I thought one password had VO issues?
>> Thanks Jeff
>>
>>
>> On 3/7/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>>> 1Password. Supports Windows, macOS and iOS,
>>>
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 3/7/2017 5:11 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
>>>
 Hi, So I'm getting tired of forgetting passwords and am thinking about
 getting a password manager. Does anyone know of one that's accessible
 with VO and also works under windows 10 with Jaws or System Access?
 Thanks Jeff


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Re: Navigating Finder

[Jonathan Cohn]

According to OV help.

Then use the arrow keys to scroll up or down or side to side. To scroll
vertically one page at a time, use Page Up and Page Down. To scroll
horizontally one page at a time, use Shift-Page Up and Shift-Page Down.
I don't think I ever got good feedback on this though. I wonder, if speak
item under mouse is turned on if that would help.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 6 March 2017 at 18:50, E.T.  wrote:

>Yes I do that too. Am curious though, what is the VO-shift-S command
> for then which interacts with scroll bars?
>
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> On 3/6/2017 11:11 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>
>> I have always just typed the prefix of the file I am looking for, for
>> example when in the Applications folder typing "p r e " gets me to
>> preview application.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 9:27 PM E.T. > > wrote:
>>
>> Jonathan,
>> Please clarify. When in a folder with hundreds of files, what
>> commands do in fact work? So far the only way to scroll and keep the
>> VO
>> cursor  visible is simply to use the up and down arrow keys.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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>>
>> On 3/5/2017 12:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> > Yes, it is standard in MacOs that the current selection does not
>> move
>> > when using standard scrolling functions like page up or page down. I
>> > generally avoid these commands for the VoiceOver equivalent keys or
>> > using a VoiceOver search.
>> >
>> > Other things you might find useful depending on your actions:
>> > command-J jump to selection Move the selected item to be visible in
>> a
>> > scrolling window.
>> > vo-shift-space click mouse at current mouse location.
>> >
>> > If you are in a finder window with list view active and hit page
>> up even
>> > if VoiceOver follows mouse is enabled, you will notice with vo-F5 vs
>> > vo-F3 that the mouse and VO cursor are not in the same place.
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Jonathan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Mar 4, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.
>> >> mailto:larry.thacker...@gmail.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I did my homework, but I haven’t found the answer to this one.  If
>> I
>> >> want to move quickly through a list of files in Windows, I can
>> simply
>> >> press Page down.  The focus will move with me.  Not so in Finder.
>> >>  Focus stays where I left it at last arrow press.  Is there any
>> way to
>> >> make focus travel with the page up and page down keys, or some way
>> to
>> >> get it to come to me after scrolling?  If the search function
>> worked
>> >> better I wouldn’t have to scroll, but that horse is dead.
>> >>
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Re: password managers?

[E.T.]

   Had. As in past tense. Think they offer a trial version. By the way 
if you buy both Windows and macOS, the iOS app is free.


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On 3/7/2017 8:34 AM, jeff `greene wrote:

Hi E.T., I thought one password had VO issues?
Thanks Jeff


On 3/7/17, E.T.  wrote:

1Password. Supports Windows, macOS and iOS,

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On 3/7/2017 5:11 AM, jeff `greene wrote:

Hi, So I'm getting tired of forgetting passwords and am thinking about
getting a password manager. Does anyone know of one that's accessible
with VO and also works under windows 10 with Jaws or System Access?
Thanks Jeff



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Re: password managers?

[jeff `greene]

Hi E.T., I thought one password had VO issues?
Thanks Jeff


On 3/7/17, E.T.  wrote:
> 1Password. Supports Windows, macOS and iOS,
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>
> On 3/7/2017 5:11 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
>> Hi, So I'm getting tired of forgetting passwords and am thinking about
>> getting a password manager. Does anyone know of one that's accessible
>> with VO and also works under windows 10 with Jaws or System Access?
>> Thanks Jeff
>>
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Re: good vo accessible alternatives to the finder (for searching for files)?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I use the following string as a base. You can certainly read the find
manual for other option, but find gets quite complex including checking for
several date  fields either relatively or absolutely and some boolean logic
operators to boot.

But the following command will put a list of files into the /tmp directory.
I like to use tmp because it automatically gets cleaned out every reboot,
and perhaps on a regular basis also.

find DirName -print > /tmp/FileList.txt



DirName is any directory in your file system including "." for the current
directory. there is a minus sign before the print, and if you replace print
with ls then you will get information similar to the unix command "ls -l"
Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 9:07 AM CHUCK REICHEL <
soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jonathan,
> What are the steps to print out "all the files in a directory subtree"?
> I often would like to grab all the names of  a folder full of pro tools
> preset names I've done so I can put them in to a text doc for quick
> referencing them  while looking for that perfect PT preset! :)
> Thanks
> Chuck
>
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> On Mar 6, 2017, at 8:54 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>
> mdfind can be quite powerful, since it uses the index's that spotlight
> uses, though if your spotlight files are not working correctly it will not
> work either. Your post reminded me that I often do a two step process when
> using the find command. I will print out all the files in a directory
> subtree, and then work on the results of the output. This way if I make a
> mistake I don't have to rescan the directory tree, but can just redo the
> search command.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:25 AM Sandi Jazmin Kruse 
> wrote:
>
> i use a combo of mdfind and grep, i dont touch, though ss am being a good
> girl
>
> On 3/6/17, 'Roland Zitzke' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
> > Jon, you are absolutely right, sorry for the over-simplification here.
> > I guess I was trying to make things more simple then they are to
> advertise
> > the use of the terminal for tasks like searching for files.
> > Personally I use the terminal quite frequently because it is "always
> > accessible"
> > But once you get to the point where you want - for instance - to filter
> > your search results through egrep you'll need to write a real RegEx with
> .*
> >
> > to match all characters.
> > /Roland
> >
> >
> > Am Sonntag, 5. März 2017 21:00:51 UTC+1 schrieb Jon:
> >>
> >> Quick note here, the pattern match you mention below is not considered a
> >> Regular expression but instead a "glob expression".
> >>
> >> The primary difference is that in a glob * means match any number of any
> >> characters, while in a regular expression it would be ".*" in other
> words
> >>
> >> having a period before the *. This is because regular expressions use
> all
> >>
> >> punctuation to mean something special
> >>
> >> The period is used to match any character.
> >> The star means zero or more of the immediately preceding pattern (in
> this
> >>
> >> case . or any character).
> >>
> >> Generally in UNIX like systems which terminal brings you to a bSD UNIX
> >> environment, most places where you are requesting a matching of file
> names
> >>
> >> u   are using a glob pattern and not a regular expression.
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 5, 2017, at 8:25 AM, 'Roland Zitzke' via MacVisionaries <
> >> macvisi...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have some big folders that I need to search through forcertain files.
> I
> >>
> >>> know i should be able to do it with finder but for some reason that
> does
> >>>
> >>> not work so well for me in the latest os x. I was wondering if there
> are
> >>>
> >>> any good vo accessible finder alternatives that work well?
> >>>
> >>> Well, it may sound trivial but if I need to search a folder I simply
> open
> >>>
> >> Terminal, navigate to the folder I want to start my search from and then
> >> type
> >> find ./ -name MyFileStartsWith*
> >> replacing MyFileStartsWith with the part of the file name I am looking
> >> for. You can use any regular expression for your All files matching your
> >> criteria are then listed.
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Re: YouTube TV Release Date, Price and Specs

[Scott Granados]

Not really, youtube is offering a decent selection in compared to other things 
like Sling I think, correct me if I’m wrong.  You generally only add on the 
services you want like an HBO or the like.  I’m heavily considering cutting the 
cord on TV so interested in this topic a lot.

> On Mar 6, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Certainly more competition is a good thing, although it sounds like youtube 
> will need to offer more channels in order to compete with the other services, 
> at this point, the channel list is rather lacking.
> Original message:
>> Hello Everyone,
> 
>> Here is an article that I thought you may find interesting.
> 
>> Enjoy,
> 
>> Mark
> 
>> YouTube TV Release Date, Price and Specs - CNET
>> CNET Reviews - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:52 AM
> 
>> Cable TV just got its biggest competitor yet.
> 
>> YouTube, the most popular video service on the web that recently announced
>> it streamed one billion hours per day, is now launching a live TV service
>> called YouTube TV.
> 
>> Unlike the free YouTube you know so well, populated by cat videos, how-tos
>> and myriad independent channels and shows, YouTube TV is a direct competitor
>> to cable you'll have to pay for. It will deliver live local TV channels like
>> ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC as well as cable stalwarts like ESPN, the Disney
>> Channel, Fox News and Bravo. (Disclosure: CBS is the parent company of CNET
>> and Showtime.)
>> The cost? $35 per month. YouTube hasn't yet set a release date, saying only
>> that YouTube TV will appear "in the next few months."
> 
>> If you've never had cable TV service, you've already cut the cord, or you're
>> on the fence considering whether to do so, YouTube TV offers yet another
>> basically risk-free service to consider. Risk-free because you can cancel
>> anytime and you're only out $35. Try that with your cable company.
> 
>> Three similar services exist already, namely Sling TV, PlayStation Vue and
>> DirecTV Now, and Hulu has said it will debut yet another entry in this field
>> before the end of the year, too. All offer various channel packages and
>> features for a range of prices, starting at $20 per month for Sling TV.
>> Here's a closer look.
> 
>> How does YouTube TV's channels compare?
>> This is the big unknown, mainly because it could add more channels between
>> now and when it launches.
> 
>> YouTube TV claims it's still negotiating with a few program providers to add
>> channels. It says that the price won't go up if and when that happens.
> 
>> In the meantime, here are all of the channels it has announced so far:
> 
>> The networks included in YouTube TV are mostly the major broadcast networks
>> and the cable channels owned by their parent companies.
>> YouTube
> 
>> If it launches with only the channels above, its total number of channels
>> will fall short of the base packages offered by DirecTV Now ($35/month) and
>> PlayStation Vue ($30 or $40). The selection above is more than Sling offers
>> in its base package ($20/month), however.
> 
>> Major channels missing from YouTube TV's lineup, yet available on other
>> services, include AMC, CNN, Comedy Central, Discovery, Food Network, MTV and
>> TNT, among many others. HBO is also a no-show, but you can sign up for HBO
>> Now separately.
> 
>> If you're curious, here's a tally of all of the channels available on the
>> other three.
>> YouTube TV will include YouTube Red original shows and movies. It also says
>> that all of YouTube's trademark user-generated and online-native content
>> would be folded into YouTube TV's searches.
>> Beyond channels, what else should I know?
> 
>> The features included with a YouTube TV subscription are similar to what is
>> offered on other devices, with some major differences.
> 
>> .   Cloud DVR with unlimited storage
>> .   3 simultaneous streams per account
>> .   6 user profiles with separate log-ins per account
>> .   Works with Chromecast, Google Home, computers, iOS and Android
>> phones and tablets
>> .   Launching in select major US cities only
> 
>> The cloud DVR lets you "record" shows to watch later, just like a
>> traditional cable DVR, and sounds superior to what's offered on competitors.
>> PlayStation Vue's cloud DVR erases your shows after 28 days. Sling TV's
>> cloud DVR is still in beta and only available with certain devices, while
>> DirecTV's has been promised but hasn't launched yet.
> 
>> The multiple simultaneous streams is similar to a "family plan" on a service
>> like Spotify, allowing you to stream to more than one TV or device at the
>> same time. Competitors (beyond Sling's base plan) also offer it. Only
>> YouTube TV and Vue allows user profiles (similar to Netflix and Hulu),
>> however, and only YouTube TV lets you log in with different credentials
>> (email and password) to the same account. That makes it the most "shareable"
>> of the bunch.
> 
>> So far, Chromecast is the only TV device Google says will work with YouTube
>> T

Re: password managers?

[E.T.]

   1Password. Supports Windows, macOS and iOS,

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On 3/7/2017 5:11 AM, jeff `greene wrote:

Hi, So I'm getting tired of forgetting passwords and am thinking about
getting a password manager. Does anyone know of one that's accessible
with VO and also works under windows 10 with Jaws or System Access?
Thanks Jeff



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password managers?

[jeff `greene]

Hi, So I'm getting tired of forgetting passwords and am thinking about
getting a password manager. Does anyone know of one that's accessible
with VO and also works under windows 10 with Jaws or System Access?
Thanks Jeff

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