Re: trouble since the sierra update

[jeff `greene]

Hi Alex I'll give that a try. Right now the macbook pro is off. So
I'll reboot and try turning VO on and off a few times.
Thanks Jeff


On 3/28/17, John Panarese  wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
>Quick question. Have you rebooted since the update? I usually completely
> shut down the system and restart it after any update. This also includes my
> iDevices.
>
>
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>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Last night I did the Sierra update and everything went fine. But
>> now I'm having some strange issues. VO seems really retisant like I
>> have verbosity set to the lowest level, which I don't. Also, I can't
>> get to the menu bar with VO+M on any screen, and also can't get to the
>> extras menu. Is anybody else on the list having these issues? I'm
>> running a 2012 15-inch macbook pro. Was thinking about booting into
>> recovery and wiping my drive and going back to El Capitan for a while,
>> but that would be a big pain in the butt!
>> Thanks Jeff
>>
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Re: trouble since the sierra update

[John Panarese]

Hi Jeff,
   Quick question. Have you rebooted since the update? I usually completely 
shut down the system and restart it after any update. This also includes my 
iDevices.


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> On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Last night I did the Sierra update and everything went fine. But
> now I'm having some strange issues. VO seems really retisant like I
> have verbosity set to the lowest level, which I don't. Also, I can't
> get to the menu bar with VO+M on any screen, and also can't get to the
> extras menu. Is anybody else on the list having these issues? I'm
> running a 2012 15-inch macbook pro. Was thinking about booting into
> recovery and wiping my drive and going back to El Capitan for a while,
> but that would be a big pain in the butt!
> Thanks Jeff
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RE: trouble since the sierra update

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,

 

One problem that seems to be bugging me is in mail whare vo jumps to the last 
message in the thread.  I have reported this several times but it is still not 
fxed.  Anyone else seeing this.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:51 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: trouble since the sierra update

 

I'm not having those problems, and I don't see them on a local 2012 Pro I have 
access to. I have seen that odd verbosity problem right after updates before, 
though, and toggling VO one or two times seemed to clear it right up. Failing 
that, try restarting the Mac. That often helps get rid of odd problems I see 
after updates on macOS, iOS, and watchOS.


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On Mar 28, 2017, at 20:34, jeff `greene mailto:greenebo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi, Last night I did the Sierra update and everything went fine. But
now I'm having some strange issues. VO seems really retisant like I
have verbosity set to the lowest level, which I don't. Also, I can't
get to the menu bar with VO+M on any screen, and also can't get to the
extras menu. Is anybody else on the list having these issues? I'm
running a 2012 15-inch macbook pro. Was thinking about booting into
recovery and wiping my drive and going back to El Capitan for a while,
but that would be a big pain in the butt!
Thanks Jeff

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Re: trouble since the sierra update

[Alex Hall]

I'm not having those problems, and I don't see them on a local 2012 Pro I have 
access to. I have seen that odd verbosity problem right after updates before, 
though, and toggling VO one or two times seemed to clear it right up. Failing 
that, try restarting the Mac. That often helps get rid of odd problems I see 
after updates on macOS, iOS, and watchOS.

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> On Mar 28, 2017, at 20:34, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Last night I did the Sierra update and everything went fine. But
> now I'm having some strange issues. VO seems really retisant like I
> have verbosity set to the lowest level, which I don't. Also, I can't
> get to the menu bar with VO+M on any screen, and also can't get to the
> extras menu. Is anybody else on the list having these issues? I'm
> running a 2012 15-inch macbook pro. Was thinking about booting into
> recovery and wiping my drive and going back to El Capitan for a while,
> but that would be a big pain in the butt!
> Thanks Jeff
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trouble since the sierra update

[jeff `greene]

Hi, Last night I did the Sierra update and everything went fine. But
now I'm having some strange issues. VO seems really retisant like I
have verbosity set to the lowest level, which I don't. Also, I can't
get to the menu bar with VO+M on any screen, and also can't get to the
extras menu. Is anybody else on the list having these issues? I'm
running a 2012 15-inch macbook pro. Was thinking about booting into
recovery and wiping my drive and going back to El Capitan for a while,
but that would be a big pain in the butt!
Thanks Jeff

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RE: Sierra 10.12.4

[Matthew Dyer]

Did you go to the app store and search for serreia?  If so, you should find it 
in there.  





Not sure why you would need to do this after each serreia update, ee last 
message for that.

Matthew



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On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4

No no no. I do not have the file that normally is downloaded to the 
applications folder.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 3/28/2017 8:12 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> I can’t suggest anything but try again, it seemed to work fine on this side 
> and I used the standard mechanism (terminal commands) to create the installer.
>
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>>   So now my thread is hijacked, and I still have no answer. (smiles)
>>
>>   The installation was not downloaded so is not in Purchased. I need to find 
>> where I can download it.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>> mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 3/28/2017 6:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> I’ll take steelhead or riverbed WAN acceleration for 400 Alex.
>>>
>>> You can use a WAN optimizer or caching engine for this so you don’t have to 
>>> move all the bits end to end each time plus optimizing the window sizes and 
>>> such to get that data on through as fast as possible.
>>>
>>> I peered with Apple while working at Trip Advisor just for this 
>>> reason.:)
>>>
 On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

 So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing

 Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,

 How to bring a network to  a holt!
 Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their machines.



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 Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 
 12.4 install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the 
 file under Applications.


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>
> Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download 
> the installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one 
> could find the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?
>
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RE: Sierra 10.12.4

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,

Is this even necessary to do everytime a new update is released.  Is it still 
possible to create a bootable mac os recovery?  Recovery disk assistant use to 
be able to do this, but last time I tried it I got a blank window when I opened 
it.  I guess this is not possible.

Matthew



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Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4

Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 12.4 
install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the file under 
Applications.


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download 
> the installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one could 
> find the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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Re: the new iPad 9.7"

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I’m happy with my Ipad Mini 4 which has a pritty good sound.
/A
> 28 mars 2017 kl. 10:57 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> Hi Folks,
>  
> Guessing others have heard this,
>  
> Cant’ really see why apple have bothered,
> The new iPad 5  9.7” 
> Hasn’t really changed much since the air2.
>  
>  
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Re: Sierra 10.12.4

[Andrew Lamanche]

How about getting the combo OSX update from Apple support pages?  
> On 28 Mar 2017, at 16:23, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You'll never get the full download from the Update page, and if there's no OS 
> updates available for your system, then there will not be an OS Updates group.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 28, 2017, at 09:20, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  I have. I never saw a download button, just update all. I looked in both 
> Categories and Featured. At one time there was a OS X category but not now.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 3/28/2017 8:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> That’s what I’m saying, try again because it downloaded fine on this side.  
>> I can’t duplicate your error.
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:14 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No no no. I do not have the file that normally is downloaded to the 
>>> applications folder.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 3/28/2017 8:12 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 I can’t suggest anything but try again, it seemed to work fine on this 
 side and I used the standard mechanism (terminal commands) to create the 
 installer.
 
> On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> So now my thread is hijacked, and I still have no answer. (smiles)
> 
> The installation was not downloaded so is not in Purchased. I need to 
> find where I can download it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 3/28/2017 6:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I’ll take steelhead or riverbed WAN acceleration for 400 Alex.
>> 
>> You can use a WAN optimizer or caching engine for this so you don’t have 
>> to move all the bits end to end each time plus optimizing the window 
>> sizes and such to get that data on through as fast as possible.
>> 
>> I peered with Apple while working at Trip Advisor just for this reason.:)
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing
>>> 
>>> Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,
>>> 
>>> How to bring a network to  a holt!
>>> Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their 
>>> machines.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 28 March 2017 5:46 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4
>>> 
>>> Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 
>>> 12.4 install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find 
>>> the file under Applications.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to 
 download the installation file to build the installer later on. Used 
 to be one could find the download link for this. Maybe this has 
 changed?
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
 all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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Re: Recovering iPhone backup from TM

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
And what is amazing?
/A
> 27 mars 2017 kl. 18:54 skrev Traci Duncan :
> 
> Hi all, I want to do a multi step thing here.
> 
> Can I retrieve old iPhone backups from time machine?  I then want to open 
> them from the app iMazing.  I successfully opened a June 2016 iPhone backup 
> and saved years of text conversation between me and my Aunt.  I now want to 
> see if I have anymore messages before 2013.  Maybe in older backups.
> 
> So, is the TM thing possible, then I can use iMazing again?
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
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Re: Sierra 10.12.4

[E.T.]

   I got it, just did not go deep enough into a category.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 3/28/2017 8:23 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

You'll never get the full download from the Update page, and if there's no OS 
updates available for your system, then there will not be an OS Updates group.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 28, 2017, at 09:20, E.T.  wrote:

  I have. I never saw a download button, just update all. I looked in both 
Categories and Featured. At one time there was a OS X category but not now.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 3/28/2017 8:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

That’s what I’m saying, try again because it downloaded fine on this side.  I 
can’t duplicate your error.


On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:14 AM, E.T.  wrote:

 No no no. I do not have the file that normally is downloaded to the 
applications folder.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 3/28/2017 8:12 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I can’t suggest anything but try again, it seemed to work fine on this side and 
I used the standard mechanism (terminal commands) to create the installer.


On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:

So now my thread is hijacked, and I still have no answer. (smiles)

The installation was not downloaded so is not in Purchased. I need to find 
where I can download it.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 3/28/2017 6:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I’ll take steelhead or riverbed WAN acceleration for 400 Alex.

You can use a WAN optimizer or caching engine for this so you don’t have to 
move all the bits end to end each time plus optimizing the window sizes and 
such to get that data on through as fast as possible.

I peered with Apple while working at Trip Advisor just for this reason.:)


On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing

Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,

How to bring a network to  a holt!
Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their machines.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 28 March 2017 5:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4

Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 12.4 
install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the file under 
Applications.



On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download the 
installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one could find 
the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

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Re: Sierra 10.12.4

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You'll never get the full download from the Update page, and if there's no OS 
updates available for your system, then there will not be an OS Updates group.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 28, 2017, at 09:20, E.T.  wrote:

  I have. I never saw a download button, just update all. I looked in both 
Categories and Featured. At one time there was a OS X category but not now.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 3/28/2017 8:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> That’s what I’m saying, try again because it downloaded fine on this side.  I 
> can’t duplicate your error.
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:14 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  No no no. I do not have the file that normally is downloaded to the 
>> applications folder.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 3/28/2017 8:12 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> I can’t suggest anything but try again, it seemed to work fine on this side 
>>> and I used the standard mechanism (terminal commands) to create the 
>>> installer.
>>> 
 On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 So now my thread is hijacked, and I still have no answer. (smiles)
 
 The installation was not downloaded so is not in Purchased. I need to find 
 where I can download it.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 3/28/2017 6:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> I’ll take steelhead or riverbed WAN acceleration for 400 Alex.
> 
> You can use a WAN optimizer or caching engine for this so you don’t have 
> to move all the bits end to end each time plus optimizing the window 
> sizes and such to get that data on through as fast as possible.
> 
> I peered with Apple while working at Trip Advisor just for this reason.:)
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing
>> 
>> Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,
>> 
>> How to bring a network to  a holt!
>> Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their machines.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 28 March 2017 5:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4
>> 
>> Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 
>> 12.4 install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the 
>> file under Applications.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to 
>>> download the installation file to build the installer later on. Used to 
>>> be one could find the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
>>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Sierra 10.12.4

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

What you need to do if it doesn't show up in your Purchased items is do a 
search for Sierra.  MacOS Sierra should be the top most result, download it 
from this search result.  It's always the most up to date installer.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 28, 2017, at 09:16, Scott Granados  wrote:

That’s what I’m saying, try again because it downloaded fine on this side.  I 
can’t duplicate your error.

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:14 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  No no no. I do not have the file that normally is downloaded to the 
> applications folder.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 3/28/2017 8:12 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I can’t suggest anything but try again, it seemed to work fine on this side 
>> and I used the standard mechanism (terminal commands) to create the 
>> installer.
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So now my thread is hijacked, and I still have no answer. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> The installation was not downloaded so is not in Purchased. I need to find 
>>> where I can download it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 3/28/2017 6:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 I’ll take steelhead or riverbed WAN acceleration for 400 Alex.
 
 You can use a WAN optimizer or caching engine for this so you don’t have 
 to move all the bits end to end each time plus optimizing the window sizes 
 and such to get that data on through as fast as possible.
 
 I peered with Apple while working at Trip Advisor just for this reason.:)
 
> On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing
> 
> Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,
> 
> How to bring a network to  a holt!
> Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their machines.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 March 2017 5:46 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4
> 
> Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 
> 12.4 install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the 
> file under Applications.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download 
>> the installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one 
>> could find the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
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Re: Sierra 10.12.4

[E.T.]

   I have. I never saw a download button, just update all. I looked in 
both Categories and Featured. At one time there was a OS X category but 
not now.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 3/28/2017 8:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

That’s what I’m saying, try again because it downloaded fine on this side.  I 
can’t duplicate your error.


On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:14 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  No no no. I do not have the file that normally is downloaded to the 
applications folder.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 3/28/2017 8:12 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I can’t suggest anything but try again, it seemed to work fine on this side and 
I used the standard mechanism (terminal commands) to create the installer.


On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:

 So now my thread is hijacked, and I still have no answer. (smiles)

 The installation was not downloaded so is not in Purchased. I need to find 
where I can download it.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 3/28/2017 6:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I’ll take steelhead or riverbed WAN acceleration for 400 Alex.

You can use a WAN optimizer or caching engine for this so you don’t have to 
move all the bits end to end each time plus optimizing the window sizes and 
such to get that data on through as fast as possible.

I peered with Apple while working at Trip Advisor just for this reason.:)


On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing

Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,

How to bring a network to  a holt!
Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their machines.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 28 March 2017 5:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4

Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 12.4 
install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the file under 
Applications.



On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download the 
installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one could find 
the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

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Re: Sierra 10.12.4

[Scott Granados]

That’s what I’m saying, try again because it downloaded fine on this side.  I 
can’t duplicate your error.

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:14 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   No no no. I do not have the file that normally is downloaded to the 
> applications folder.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 3/28/2017 8:12 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I can’t suggest anything but try again, it seemed to work fine on this side 
>> and I used the standard mechanism (terminal commands) to create the 
>> installer.
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  So now my thread is hijacked, and I still have no answer. (smiles)
>>> 
>>>  The installation was not downloaded so is not in Purchased. I need to find 
>>> where I can download it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 3/28/2017 6:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 I’ll take steelhead or riverbed WAN acceleration for 400 Alex.
 
 You can use a WAN optimizer or caching engine for this so you don’t have 
 to move all the bits end to end each time plus optimizing the window sizes 
 and such to get that data on through as fast as possible.
 
 I peered with Apple while working at Trip Advisor just for this reason.:)
 
> On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing
> 
> Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,
> 
> How to bring a network to  a holt!
> Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their machines.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 March 2017 5:46 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4
> 
> Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 
> 12.4 install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the 
> file under Applications.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download 
>> the installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one 
>> could find the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Sierra 10.12.4

[E.T.]

   No no no. I do not have the file that normally is downloaded to the 
applications folder.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 3/28/2017 8:12 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I can’t suggest anything but try again, it seemed to work fine on this side and 
I used the standard mechanism (terminal commands) to create the installer.


On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  So now my thread is hijacked, and I still have no answer. (smiles)

  The installation was not downloaded so is not in Purchased. I need to find 
where I can download it.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 3/28/2017 6:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I’ll take steelhead or riverbed WAN acceleration for 400 Alex.

You can use a WAN optimizer or caching engine for this so you don’t have to 
move all the bits end to end each time plus optimizing the window sizes and 
such to get that data on through as fast as possible.

I peered with Apple while working at Trip Advisor just for this reason.:)


On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing

Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,

How to bring a network to  a holt!
Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their machines.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 28 March 2017 5:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4

Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 12.4 
install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the file under 
Applications.



On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download the 
installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one could find 
the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

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Re: Sierra 10.12.4

[Scott Granados]

I can’t suggest anything but try again, it seemed to work fine on this side and 
I used the standard mechanism (terminal commands) to create the installer.

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   So now my thread is hijacked, and I still have no answer. (smiles)
> 
>   The installation was not downloaded so is not in Purchased. I need to find 
> where I can download it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 3/28/2017 6:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I’ll take steelhead or riverbed WAN acceleration for 400 Alex.
>> 
>> You can use a WAN optimizer or caching engine for this so you don’t have to 
>> move all the bits end to end each time plus optimizing the window sizes and 
>> such to get that data on through as fast as possible.
>> 
>> I peered with Apple while working at Trip Advisor just for this reason.:)
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing
>>> 
>>> Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,
>>> 
>>> How to bring a network to  a holt!
>>> Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their machines.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 28 March 2017 5:46 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4
>>> 
>>> Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 
>>> 12.4 install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the 
>>> file under Applications.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download 
 the installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one 
 could find the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
 all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
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Re: Sierra 10.12.4

[E.T.]

   So now my thread is hijacked, and I still have no answer. (smiles)

   The installation was not downloaded so is not in Purchased. I need 
to find where I can download it.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 3/28/2017 6:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I’ll take steelhead or riverbed WAN acceleration for 400 Alex.

You can use a WAN optimizer or caching engine for this so you don’t have to 
move all the bits end to end each time plus optimizing the window sizes and 
such to get that data on through as fast as possible.

I peered with Apple while working at Trip Advisor just for this reason.:)


On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing

Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,

How to bring a network to  a holt!
Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their machines.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 28 March 2017 5:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4

Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 12.4 
install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the file under 
Applications.



On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:

 Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download the 
installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one could find 
the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

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Re: the new iPad 9.7"

[Scott Granados]

I’ve heard great things about chrome but not used it myself so can’t directly 
comment.

Somethings off hand I know chrome does better for example is includes cellular 
access in the Chromebook line.  Why the hell I can’t get internal cellular LTE 
access in my MacBook just baffles me.  I’ve got all sorts of WiFi, wired ports 
for gigabit access, very good bluetooth and no LTE, really?  Apple wants me to 
use that hotspot feature that badly they won’t give me internal always on 
access?  I say bah!


Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine.

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I believe they are really pointing this towards institutional buyers much 
> like the eMac of old. Make it not quite as light, and not as great at 
> graphics, but I believe the education price is $299.
> 
> I have seen a few school boards move from using iPads to using Chrome Books. 
> Chromium appears to be at least as secure as IOS and one gets a keyboard 
> bundled in albeit not a keyboard I enjoy typing on.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> On 28 March 2017 at 09:13, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> Are there going to be any upgrades in the pro line?  This seems to bite in to 
> the pro line to me.
> 
> 
> > On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Cameron Strife  > > wrote:
> >
> > The main reason seems to be that they wanted to compete with cheaper
> > tablets. The camera is eight megapixel instead of 12 for example...
> >
> > I think it's a good idea as you have tablets like the fire and fire
> > hdx etc dominating that below $350 pricepoint for the most part.
> >
> > 
> > 
> >   
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> > On 3/28/17, Alex Hall mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> 
> > wrote:
> >> The reasons I can see are:
> >>
> >> * They were able to rename it to the iPad, thus simplifying the iPad lineup
> >>
> >> * They upped the CPU, from the A8X of the Air 2 to the A9.
> >>
> >> * They made some changes to the screen and body, letting them lower the
> >> price to offer a more compelling entry-level tablet
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alex Hall
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 04:57, Simon Fogarty  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Folks,
> >>>
> >>> Guessing others have heard this,
> >>>
> >>> Cant’ really see why apple have bothered,
> >>> The new iPad 5  9.7”
> >>> Hasn’t really changed much since the air2.
> >>>
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Re: the new iPad 9.7"

[Jonathan Cohn]

I believe they are really pointing this towards institutional buyers much
like the eMac of old. Make it not quite as light, and not as great at
graphics, but I believe the education price is $299.

I have seen a few school boards move from using iPads to using Chrome
Books. Chromium appears to be at least as secure as IOS and one gets a
keyboard bundled in albeit not a keyboard I enjoy typing on.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 28 March 2017 at 09:13, Scott Granados  wrote:

> Are there going to be any upgrades in the pro line?  This seems to bite in
> to the pro line to me.
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Cameron Strife 
> wrote:
> >
> > The main reason seems to be that they wanted to compete with cheaper
> > tablets. The camera is eight megapixel instead of 12 for example...
> >
> > I think it's a good idea as you have tablets like the fire and fire
> > hdx etc dominating that below $350 pricepoint for the most part.
> >
> > 
> > 
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> >
> > On 3/28/17, Alex Hall  wrote:
> >> The reasons I can see are:
> >>
> >> * They were able to rename it to the iPad, thus simplifying the iPad
> lineup
> >>
> >> * They upped the CPU, from the A8X of the Air 2 to the A9.
> >>
> >> * They made some changes to the screen and body, letting them lower the
> >> price to offer a more compelling entry-level tablet
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alex Hall
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 04:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Folks,
> >>>
> >>> Guessing others have heard this,
> >>>
> >>> Cant’ really see why apple have bothered,
> >>> The new iPad 5  9.7”
> >>> Hasn’t really changed much since the air2.
> >>>
> >>>
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Elon Musk is developing human machine interfaces

[Scott Granados]

I swear I really like this guy.  He’s a far out crazy futurist with just enough 
insanity to pull this world changing stuff off.  Rockets, nah not enough, 
electric cars that really work and are stylish / world changing, nah that’s not 
enough either, now it’s time to hack the brain.

This is a bit off topic but I think hugely important to our community so I’m 
posting this article and as always, should the mods wish to stop this thread 
I’m happy to comply.

I’ve often said, on this list in fact that the only real way to solve the 
accessibility problem is to solve the disability at the core.  There’s no need 
for voice over for example if you fix the blindness of the user.  There’s no 
need for braille displays for deaf blind users if you restore their censes 
either through electronic or biological means.  Well… here we go.  Elon Musk is 
proposing we use neural lace or a proposed array of electrodes to interface 
with the brain.  He’s starting a company to develop the hardware and software 
for human to machine interfaces.  The direct ability to upload and download 
thoughts from machines.  Augmenting features of the brain with artificial 
intelligence and not only correcting for disease but adding capabilities.  
Imagine for example being able to simply think “ok google, download everything 
I need to know to speak Japanese” and bam you’re fully fluent.  Stuff of 
science fiction but the real world work begins.  Read more here.


http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/27/15077864/elon-musk-neuralink-brain-computer-interface-ai-cyborgs

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Re: Looks like a new round of updates available

[Scott Granados]

I want an iPad pro update.


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 4:59 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Yes Scott,
> Just finished or should I say remembered to finish my watch,
> iPhone and iPad updated
> can't say I'm surprised, oh that's right I used the public beta till a couple 
> of weeks ago.
> 
> The iPad 5 was also released today by the looks of it.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 March 2017 6:03 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
> Subject: Looks like a new round of updates available
> 
> Just saw a watch OS 3.2 update post and it appears IOS 10.3 is also available 
> for iPhone and iPad.
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> Flash em if you got em.
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Re: Sierra 10.12.4

[Scott Granados]

I’ll take steelhead or riverbed WAN acceleration for 400 Alex.

You can use a WAN optimizer or caching engine for this so you don’t have to 
move all the bits end to end each time plus optimizing the window sizes and 
such to get that data on through as fast as possible.

I peered with Apple while working at Trip Advisor just for this reason.:)

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing
> 
> Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,
> 
> How to bring a network to  a holt!
> Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their machines.
> 
> 
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> Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 12.4 
> install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the file 
> under Applications.
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> 
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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>>  Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download 
>> the installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one could 
>> find the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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Re: the new iPad 9.7"

[Scott Granados]

Are there going to be any upgrades in the pro line?  This seems to bite in to 
the pro line to me.


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Cameron Strife  wrote:
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> The main reason seems to be that they wanted to compete with cheaper
> tablets. The camera is eight megapixel instead of 12 for example...
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> I think it's a good idea as you have tablets like the fire and fire
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>> * They were able to rename it to the iPad, thus simplifying the iPad lineup
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>> 
>> * They made some changes to the screen and body, letting them lower the
>> price to offer a more compelling entry-level tablet
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 04:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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>>> Guessing others have heard this,
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>>> Cant’ really see why apple have bothered,
>>> The new iPad 5  9.7”
>>> Hasn’t really changed much since the air2.
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Re: the new iPad 9.7"

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The main reason seems to be that they wanted to compete with cheaper
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On 3/28/17, Alex Hall  wrote:
> The reasons I can see are:
>
> * They were able to rename it to the iPad, thus simplifying the iPad lineup
>
> * They upped the CPU, from the A8X of the Air 2 to the A9.
>
> * They made some changes to the screen and body, letting them lower the
> price to offer a more compelling entry-level tablet
>
>
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>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 04:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Guessing others have heard this,
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>> Cant’ really see why apple have bothered,
>> The new iPad 5  9.7”
>> Hasn’t really changed much since the air2.
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Re: the new iPad 9.7"

[Alex Hall]

The reasons I can see are:

* They were able to rename it to the iPad, thus simplifying the iPad lineup

* They upped the CPU, from the A8X of the Air 2 to the A9.

* They made some changes to the screen and body, letting them lower the price 
to offer a more compelling entry-level tablet


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Re: Accessible dj software for the mac

[Jerry Mader]

Hello there Bryant. The program that I use is something called Djay pro. It 
cost me 50 bucks but it's worth it. Most of what you want to do is accessible 
with voiceover. I'm still learning it myself but most of it is done by hot 
cheese. Take care. Jerry Mader

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> On Mar 28, 2017, at 4:21 AM, Brian Howerton  wrote:
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> Hello folks,
> I am looking in to beginning to dj weddings and private parties. I understand 
> that djay pro on the mac is accessible, and i would love to talk with anybody 
> who is using it successfully to dj. Also, would love to hear suggestions of 
> accessible dj midi controllers that interface well with the software, and 
> what works well from a blindness perspective. Feel free to write me off-list 
> as well. Thanks in advance for the recommendations.
> Brian
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RE: Sierra 10.12.4

[Simon Fogarty]

So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing 

Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,

 How to bring a network to  a holt!
Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their machines.

 

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Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4

Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 12.4 
install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the file under 
Applications.


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download 
> the installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one could 
> find the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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RE: Looks like a new round of updates available

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes Scott,
 Just finished or should I say remembered to finish my watch,
 iPhone and iPad updated 
can't say I'm surprised, oh that's right I used the public beta till a couple 
of weeks ago.

 The iPad 5 was also released today by the looks of it.

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Subject: Looks like a new round of updates available

Just saw a watch OS 3.2 update post and it appears IOS 10.3 is also available 
for iPhone and iPad.

Flash em if you got em.

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the new iPad 9.7"

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Folks,

Guessing others have heard this,

Cant' really see why apple have bothered,
The new iPad 5  9.7"
Hasn't really changed much since the air2.


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Accessible dj software for the mac

[Brian Howerton]

Hello folks,I am looking in to beginning to dj weddings and private parties. I 
understand that djay pro on the mac is accessible, and i would love to talk 
with anybody who is using it successfully to dj. Also, would love to hear 
suggestions of accessible dj midi controllers that interface well with the 
software, and what works well from a blindness perspective. Feel free to write 
me off-list as well. Thanks in advance for the recommendations.Brian

Get Outlook for iOS

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