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[Angus MacKinnon]

When I do CMD + Shiftt + 3 I get Menu Extras on my OS 10.11.6 imac. Can someone 
explain why? Thank you.

Can someone explain what Google Talk is and how to get messages to login? Thank 
you.

Angus MacKinnon

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FS:iMac, iPad Air, iPhone 6s, and avid pro tools.

[Cameron Strife]

Hi everybody. I have permission from the admin to send this message to
the list. I am selling an iMac, iPad Air, iPhone 6s, and avid pro
tools for mac OSx.

All the info is below. If interested, please write me off list at:
came...@cameronstrife.com

Thanks,

Cameron.

21 inch Apple iMac with Intel quad core I7 processor at 2.8gHz per
core, 16gb of ddr3 ram, internal 256gb solid state hard drive,
internal 1tb mechanical drive, Intel Thunderbolt, Firewire 800,
airport wireless, bluetooth, sd card reader, superdrive etc. Machine
is in very good condition with no heating issues or hard drive
performance etc. (There is a small dent on the right edge of the
monitor portion but this will not get any worse and does not effect
the display quality according to a couple of sighted people I had
check it out. I can have the glass replaced if you wish. In any case,
it's purely cosmetic.) Keyboard, mouse, and power chord included. I
can also include a 1 terabyte USB 3.0 external hard drive that's
formatted to work with both mac and windows so you can have a three
drive setup for audio/midi work. I have been running OSX Siera and
windows ten on this machine and the performance is really snappy!
Windows seven 64 bit also worked very well on here.

32 gig iPad Air tablet computer with drop proof/weather proof case and
accessories. Latest version of iOS installed.

mint iPhone 6s 16gb with two military grade cases with screen
protectors. Charging cube and lightning cable included. It is tied to
my Verizon number right now but all you need to do is swap the sim
card for yours as it's not locked to a network.

Avid pro tools 12.6 license on an iLok2 dongle. It's a permanent
license so will never expire and includes a bunch of plug ins etc.

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Re: Outgoing mail questions

[Jonathan Cohn]

I don't think this is possible in Macintosh mail. There was a plugin I have 
mentioned in the past that was supposed to be able to hcreate rules on outgoing 
messages, but I don't remember the application right now, and I never heard if 
it was VO usable.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On May 2, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> I just discovered that all my sent email from when I got my Mac last year was 
> sitting in the various sent mail folders for my accounts.  I should have 
> foreseen this, but I’m so used to the way I had Outlook working that I didn’t 
> think about it.  Thus the question.  I had a rule in Outlook that would grab 
> the outgoing mail and move it to the inbox.  This way I could decide 
> immediately whether to file it or delete it.  It also has the option to keep 
> replies with the original.  I realize I could set the option to copy myself, 
> but then I’d still have the copy in sent mail.  In looking at the rules in 
> Mac Mail, it is not apparent that rules could be applied to outgoing mail and 
> the help doesn’t really say.  So can they, or is there a better way to do 
> this?
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Re: using textMate, vim or emacs with speech and braille

[Jonathan Cohn]

A I have not noticed lots of space  spoken when using VIM, but I usually avoid 
it because I can't quite get used to if I need to use the a or i command to 
insert just a little bit. I guess when the document is blank it sometimes did 
this but not regularly and could be adjusted with verbosity / punctuation. 

I tend to use text edit quite a bit for plain text documents and find that 
nicer than any of the Windows editors wexcept perhaps EdSharp 

In terms of command M being used to minimize your window, there is a way to 
turn this off. I believe I set my VM to ignore Macintosh Global keystrokes and 
this then prevents that from happening. One side effect that occasionally 
happens then is that those commands don't work on the Macintosh side until I 
stop Fusion. 


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On May 2, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Florian Beijers  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am having to use a mac for work and am running into some very aanoying 
> limitations I hope some of you may have found workarounds for.
> These mainly show up when using Vim and Emacs from a shell.
> 
> In Vim, every time I arrow through files I get loads of "space space space 
> space space" jabbered at me, with the braille display showing this briefly as 
> well every time I arrow up or down. Needless to say this is incredibly 
> annoying, can this be stopped somehow?
> I realize tdsr exists, but I'm guessing braille won't be included in that. 
> Also, brltty might work on mac but how well? Does anyone have experience with 
> this?
> 
> I haven't played with Emacs much yet but I am foreseeing similar issues. Even 
> when using emacspeak, I'll once again have the issue of not having braille 
> track the speech properly. BRLTTY might help in this case, if VBoiceOver 
> doesn't monopolize the braille display that is, or if switching between 
> VoiceOver and brltty + emacspeak can be done relatively seemlessly. Once 
> again, any experiences you guys may have on this is very much appreciated.
> 
> On the GUI side, TextMate seems to be the only halfway decent code editor 
> that's not a complete disaster with VoiceOver, unless I've missed an 
> undiscovered gem. TextMate seems ok, but poorly documented. Is anyone using 
> it with success on here, if so, what keystrokes do you use the most?
> Are thee any other tips you guys might have for an accessible development 
> environment on OS X latest?
> I do have a Windows VM running in Fusion for if things get really dicy, but 
> dev is heavy enough on the hardware resources as is so if I don't have to 
> introduce a VM into the mix that would obviously be preferred. Not to mention 
> the incredibly annoying tendency on OS X's side to intercept some key 
> combinations meant for the VM, most notably windows+m minimizing my friggin' 
> vm instance. :P
> I'm open to your ideas, I really am, and any frustration evident from this 
> post is purely a by-product of having to grab for my Windows VM far too often 
> for comfort so far, most notably in advanced web app scenarios and efficient 
> software dev. Please enlighten me on how to be efficient without it in these 
> areas.
> 
> Regards,
> Florian
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Re: Get read of some Voice over speech on the mail app

[Jonathan Cohn]

It sounds like you are specifically talking about the table of messages in your 
query. I believe I once adjusted which columns were visible with and in what 
order with VoiceOVer, but there is also a "Attributes" sub menu in the view 
menu which used to allow you to check and uncheck items for the messages table. 
I could not get anything but size to show as able to be modified in this menu 
with a quick check just now.

Another possibility is to adjust your speech verbosity. I tried low speech 
verbosity for a while, but found that with that level I could not determine 
what check boxes / radio buttons / list items were selected. But low verbosity 
can rely cut down a lot of jabber.
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On May 2, 2017, at 7:09 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Hi all:
> 
> When browsing my emails, Voice over read many many things which i don’t want 
> to listen, is there a way to get read of all these things?
> Like for Instance, Voice over says:
> 4 message group collapsed etc,
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help
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Re: Join Me In Requesting Better VoiceOver Access in the Nike+ Run Club App

[Scott Granados]

Mr. Scott was of course my favorite character.

Sometime I’ll have to tell about the time I got drunk with James Doohan.

My Cousin and I bought 10 original dilithium crystals from James Doohan.;)
> On May 4, 2017, at 8:54 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Mr. Scott.  (I've been watching old episodes of Star Trek (smile)).
> 
> Yes, Nike used to be one of the most accessible-minded developers in the App 
> Store.  However, it have long since fallen from VoiceOver grace, as it were.
> 
> However, it is important that we make our voices heard.
> 
> We really can make a difference.
> 
> For example, after receiving a great deal of feedback, Starbucks has finally 
> made all of its iOS app's features, accessible, including the new Quick Pay 
> button.
> 
> Again, thank you, and all who join in the proverbial accessibility-chorus of 
> equality.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Join Me In Requesting Better VoiceOver Access in the Nike+ Run 
> Club App
> 
> Wow, one of Apple’s most visible partners has accessibility issues, not good. 
>  Count me in for sending the developer a request, on the way over now.
> 
>> On May 3, 2017, at 8:54 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Please join me in requesting that the Nike+ Run Club app be made more
>> VoiceOver accessible.
>> 
>> The direct link to the app in the U.S. app store is:
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/nike-run-club/id387771637?mt=8
>> 
>> Please submit a review in the iTunes App Store, and/or submit feedback
>> via Nike's feedback form located at:
>> http://help-en-us.nike.com/app/mobile/feedback/r/nrc
>> 
>> or by either tweeting or sending a direct message to: @NikeSupport.
>> 
>> The following is the Twitter direct message and App Store review I
>> submitted.  Feel free to use any or all of it in your comments:
>> 
>> [BEGIN REQUEST]:
>> Subject:
>> Please Increase iOS Nike+ Run Club App Screen Reader Accessibility for
>> the Blind and Low Vision
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I fervently request that the developers add better iOS VoiceOver
>> support for the blind and low vision.
>> 
>> Currently, many of the Nike+ Run Club app's buttons and tabs cannot be
>> accessed when VoiceOver, Apple's software screen reading solution for
>> the blind and low vision, is enabled.  For example, the workout Start
>> button, among many others, is not labeled for VoiceOver.  This means
>> that all a visually impaired user hears, when focused is placed on the
>> item, is the word "button".  This is not useful as the user has no
>> idea as to what feature will be accessed by activating the item.
>> Also, one cannot actually stop a workout session when VoiceOver is
>> enabled.  Further, none of the app navigation tabs, located near the
>> bottom of the display, is VoiceOver accessible.  This means that a
>> user cannot access, for example, her/his workout history.
>> 
>> In a world in which sedentary behavior is the norm, it is extremely
>> important that the blind and low vision, along with our sighted
>> counterparts, has access to outstanding workout resources such as the
>> Nike+ Run Club iOS App.
>> 
>> Thank you for considering my request,
>> [END REQUEST]:
>> 
>> The following is my tweet on this matter:
>> 
>> [BEGIN TWEET]:
>> The #Nike+ #RunClub #iOS app has broken #VoiceOver #accessibility 4
>> the #VisuallyImpaired. Join me N asking @NikeSupport to restore it ASAP.
>> [END TWEET]:
>> 
>> Thank you all for your support on this.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Asking permission to list a Mac for sale

[Rachel Feinberg]

Hello all:

I apologize for sending this to the group. I got the moderator address from the 
footer and activated the link, so it should have just gone to Mark.
thank you to him for being gracious in allowing me to list my computer for sale 
in a separate post.
Rachel.

> On May 4, 2017, at 5:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I have replied to Rachael's request, off-list.
> 
> Mark
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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 1:24 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Asking permission to list a Mac for sale
> 
> Hello Alex, the reason whether we are got this message. Is because he sent it 
> to the group.
>Joseph Hudson 
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>> On May 4, 2017, at 3:18 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Somehow, I received this message. I'm not sure if I was made a moderator at 
>> some point, or if something snuk into your email? Either way, I can't answer 
>> for Mark or Cara, but hopefully one of them can clarify my own question 
>> here. If you get responses other than from the mods or myself, this could be 
>> why.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 15:59, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:
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>>> Hello Mark,
>>> 
>>> I am writing to ask your permission to list a Mac book pro I have for sale 
>>> on the Mac visionaries list.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Rachel.
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Moderator Approved: Selling Mid 2014 MacBook Pro

[Rachel Feinberg]

Hello All:


For sale I have a Mid 2014 MacBook Pro with original box/charger/charging 
extension chord.

the specs are as follows:

Intel Core i5 2.6 GHZ processor.

8 gb RAM.

128 GB SSD hard drive.

2 thunderbolt ports, 2 USB 3.0 ports, an HDMI port.

SD card slot.

Everything works perfectly well, however, the screen has some 
discoloration/distortion. I am unsure as to why, except that this is how I 
received it from the previous owners who informed me of this aspect. If you 
need an external monitor, it will be best to connect it using the HDMI port to 
another display supporting this standard. All other things are in excellent 
working order. I am asking $650 which will include shipping in the United 
States. IF you require international shipping, feel free to get in touch, and I 
would be happy to work with you.

Please email me if interested at:

walksi...@gmail.com



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Re: Stopping automatic videos on Safari

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

In the windows menu there is a "Mute this window" and Mute a  windows actually 
the word Window might be tab instead. Since this appears as a menu item, it is 
possible to setup a   application keyboard shortcut to do this. My memory is 
that there is also a button to do this in the tab bar when sound is active. 

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On May 4, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> As the subject says…  Some news sites like cNet and pcMag have these 
> automatic videos begin along with the text article.  Is there an accessible 
> way to stop them?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
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RE: Asking permission to list a Mac for sale

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I have replied to Rachael's request, off-list.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 1:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Asking permission to list a Mac for sale

Hello Alex, the reason whether we are got this message. Is because he sent it 
to the group.
Joseph Hudson 

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> On May 4, 2017, at 3:18 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Somehow, I received this message. I'm not sure if I was made a moderator at 
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> for Mark or Cara, but hopefully one of them can clarify my own question here. 
> If you get responses other than from the mods or myself, this could be why.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 15:59, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark,
>> 
>> I am writing to ask your permission to list a Mac book pro I have for sale 
>> on the Mac visionaries list.
>> Thank you,
>> Rachel.
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RE: Join Me In Requesting Better VoiceOver Access in the Nike+ Run Club App

[M. Taylor]

Thank you, Mr. Scott.  (I've been watching old episodes of Star Trek (smile)).

Yes, Nike used to be one of the most accessible-minded developers in the App 
Store.  However, it have long since fallen from VoiceOver grace, as it were.  

However, it is important that we make our voices heard.  

We really can make a difference.  

For example, after receiving a great deal of feedback, Starbucks has finally 
made all of its iOS app's features, accessible, including the new Quick Pay 
button.

Again, thank you, and all who join in the proverbial accessibility-chorus of 
equality.  

Mark


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Join Me In Requesting Better VoiceOver Access in the Nike+ Run 
Club App

Wow, one of Apple’s most visible partners has accessibility issues, not good.  
Count me in for sending the developer a request, on the way over now.

> On May 3, 2017, at 8:54 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Please join me in requesting that the Nike+ Run Club app be made more 
> VoiceOver accessible.
> 
> The direct link to the app in the U.S. app store is:
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/nike-run-club/id387771637?mt=8
> 
> Please submit a review in the iTunes App Store, and/or submit feedback 
> via Nike's feedback form located at:
> http://help-en-us.nike.com/app/mobile/feedback/r/nrc
> 
> or by either tweeting or sending a direct message to: @NikeSupport.
> 
> The following is the Twitter direct message and App Store review I 
> submitted.  Feel free to use any or all of it in your comments:
> 
> [BEGIN REQUEST]:
> Subject:
> Please Increase iOS Nike+ Run Club App Screen Reader Accessibility for 
> the Blind and Low Vision
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I fervently request that the developers add better iOS VoiceOver 
> support for the blind and low vision.
> 
> Currently, many of the Nike+ Run Club app's buttons and tabs cannot be 
> accessed when VoiceOver, Apple's software screen reading solution for 
> the blind and low vision, is enabled.  For example, the workout Start 
> button, among many others, is not labeled for VoiceOver.  This means 
> that all a visually impaired user hears, when focused is placed on the 
> item, is the word "button".  This is not useful as the user has no 
> idea as to what feature will be accessed by activating the item.  
> Also, one cannot actually stop a workout session when VoiceOver is 
> enabled.  Further, none of the app navigation tabs, located near the 
> bottom of the display, is VoiceOver accessible.  This means that a 
> user cannot access, for example, her/his workout history.
> 
> In a world in which sedentary behavior is the norm, it is extremely 
> important that the blind and low vision, along with our sighted 
> counterparts, has access to outstanding workout resources such as the 
> Nike+ Run Club iOS App.
> 
> Thank you for considering my request,
> [END REQUEST]:
> 
> The following is my tweet on this matter:
> 
> [BEGIN TWEET]:
> The #Nike+ #RunClub #iOS app has broken #VoiceOver #accessibility 4 
> the #VisuallyImpaired. Join me N asking @NikeSupport to restore it ASAP.
> [END TWEET]:
> 
> Thank you all for your support on this.
> 
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Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Donna Goodin]

Getting rid of cable and relying solely on streaming. Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 4, 2017, at 7:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> What is Cutting the Cord, anyway?
> Curious,
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Big +1 on the chrome cast.  Works great with the Home as well.  I like the 
>> audio version especially considering how inexpensive they are.
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Des Delgadillo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Usually with Hulu the shows that need a cable login are made available no 
>>> more than a day after it airs.
>>> It’s not an Apple product but Chromecast has been my go-to lately, 
>>> especially if you have TV shows downloaded to your computer and you use a 
>>> Chrome plugin like Video Stream. That works really well on Mac and is super 
>>> Voiceover compatible.
>>> Des Delgadillo
>>> Reporter
>>> desdelgadi...@gmail.com
>>> (562) 652-3415
>>> 
 On May 4, 2017, at 1:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Traci,
 Those networks that require you have a cable subscription can still be 
 accessed but there will be a delay. In other words, a show that airs 
 tonight for the first time cannot be viewed for a day, a week, I am not 
 sure.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 5/4/2017 12:14 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:
> Hi, I mean on occasion when we want to watch a TV show from a network 
> channel, it says in order to access this content you need to enter in 
> your cable provider credentials. That is if I'm going off of channel 
> apps, such as ABC, Food Network, PBS, etc.
> 
> Traci
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tracy and Scott,
>> 
>> Like Kliph, we cut the chord over a year ago now.  We also still use our 
>> Apple TV 4th Gen, and have been quite happy with it, though of course, 
>> one's satisfaction with any such device will depend in large degree to 
>> what content one wants to watch.  We find most of the shows we want, 
>> though we do also have a library of favorite TV shows and movies.  
>> Tracy, not sure what you mean by being concerned that Apple TV is tied 
>> to your cable provider.  It is tied to your ISP, as you need an internet 
>> connection, but that would be the same with any device, so far as I know.
>> HTH,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I have 2 appleTV4’s, and no cable subscription, and I get most 
>>> things I like to watch.  I also have a library of movies, TV shows, and 
>>> music about 15TB that keep me busy when board.  But with Netflix, 
>>> direct TV now, and my own collection, I don’t need a cable subscription.
 On May 4, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
 My apologies for the confusion. I have no Rocku experience, I was just 
 reading for my friend.
 
 What disappoints me about the Apple TV, is how much it is still tied 
 to your cable provider. I think that's why I am so interested in sling 
 TV, or this new Hulu Live/DVR service. I'm tempted to sign up for the 
 seven day trial, just to try it out on the iOS and AppleTV.
 
 Looking forward to other answers,
 Traci
 PS. For those British TV fans in America, I just came across an app 
 called BritBox. It is created by BBC and I TV. As far as I know, 2 of 
 the biggest networks in the UK.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On May 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Scott Granados 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I’m trying to also make this decision, it’s been bothering me for 
> over a year now.  We brought this up a long time ago so I’m glad it’s 
> up for discussion now.  If it’s ok, I would like to include the other 
> non apple options and contrast how they work against their apple 
> counter parts.
> In my opinion, Apple TV in general was disappointing me to the point 
> I sold my generation 4.  I have a few generation 3 units around if I 
> need iTunes access and honestly I like the simplicity of that unit 
> and the fact you don’t depend on application providers to make their 
> products accessible.  That being said, I do like having the apple 
> content available on the phone so have enabled some of the IOS apps 
> like Netflix, Hulu, cbs and HBO.  These 

Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Sharon Hooley]

What is Cutting the Cord, anyway?
Curious,

> On May 4, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Big +1 on the chrome cast.  Works great with the Home as well.  I like the 
> audio version especially considering how inexpensive they are.
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Des Delgadillo  wrote:
>> 
>> Usually with Hulu the shows that need a cable login are made available no 
>> more than a day after it airs.
>> It’s not an Apple product but Chromecast has been my go-to lately, 
>> especially if you have TV shows downloaded to your computer and you use a 
>> Chrome plugin like Video Stream. That works really well on Mac and is super 
>> Voiceover compatible.
>> Des Delgadillo
>> Reporter
>> desdelgadi...@gmail.com
>> (562) 652-3415
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Traci,
>>> Those networks that require you have a cable subscription can still be 
>>> accessed but there will be a delay. In other words, a show that airs 
>>> tonight for the first time cannot be viewed for a day, a week, I am not 
>>> sure.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 5/4/2017 12:14 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:
 Hi, I mean on occasion when we want to watch a TV show from a network 
 channel, it says in order to access this content you need to enter in your 
 cable provider credentials. That is if I'm going off of channel apps, such 
 as ABC, Food Network, PBS, etc.
 
 Traci
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On May 4, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tracy and Scott,
> 
> Like Kliph, we cut the chord over a year ago now.  We also still use our 
> Apple TV 4th Gen, and have been quite happy with it, though of course, 
> one's satisfaction with any such device will depend in large degree to 
> what content one wants to watch.  We find most of the shows we want, 
> though we do also have a library of favorite TV shows and movies.  Tracy, 
> not sure what you mean by being concerned that Apple TV is tied to your 
> cable provider.  It is tied to your ISP, as you need an internet 
> connection, but that would be the same with any device, so far as I know.
> HTH,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I have 2 appleTV4’s, and no cable subscription, and I get most 
>> things I like to watch.  I also have a library of movies, TV shows, and 
>> music about 15TB that keep me busy when board.  But with Netflix, direct 
>> TV now, and my own collection, I don’t need a cable subscription.
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My apologies for the confusion. I have no Rocku experience, I was just 
>>> reading for my friend.
>>> 
>>> What disappoints me about the Apple TV, is how much it is still tied to 
>>> your cable provider. I think that's why I am so interested in sling TV, 
>>> or this new Hulu Live/DVR service. I'm tempted to sign up for the seven 
>>> day trial, just to try it out on the iOS and AppleTV.
>>> 
>>> Looking forward to other answers,
>>> Traci
>>> PS. For those British TV fans in America, I just came across an app 
>>> called BritBox. It is created by BBC and I TV. As far as I know, 2 of 
>>> the biggest networks in the UK.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 So I’m trying to also make this decision, it’s been bothering me for 
 over a year now.  We brought this up a long time ago so I’m glad it’s 
 up for discussion now.  If it’s ok, I would like to include the other 
 non apple options and contrast how they work against their apple 
 counter parts.
 In my opinion, Apple TV in general was disappointing me to the point I 
 sold my generation 4.  I have a few generation 3 units around if I 
 need iTunes access and honestly I like the simplicity of that unit and 
 the fact you don’t depend on application providers to make their 
 products accessible.  That being said, I do like having the apple 
 content available on the phone so have enabled some of the IOS apps 
 like Netflix, Hulu, cbs and HBO.  These seem pretty good.
 I do use the Amazon box and that’s becoming very accessible.  I 
 haven’t tried Hulu Live but the basic stuff, cbs, Netflix, Hulu, the 
 native amazon content and so forth are great.
 If you wouldn’t mind could you detail 

Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Scott Granados]

Big +1 on the chrome cast.  Works great with the Home as well.  I like the 
audio version especially considering how inexpensive they are.


> On May 4, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Des Delgadillo  wrote:
> 
> Usually with Hulu the shows that need a cable login are made available no 
> more than a day after it airs.
> It’s not an Apple product but Chromecast has been my go-to lately, especially 
> if you have TV shows downloaded to your computer and you use a Chrome plugin 
> like Video Stream. That works really well on Mac and is super Voiceover 
> compatible.
> Des Delgadillo
> Reporter
> desdelgadi...@gmail.com
> (562) 652-3415
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Traci,
>>  Those networks that require you have a cable subscription can still be 
>> accessed but there will be a delay. In other words, a show that airs tonight 
>> for the first time cannot be viewed for a day, a week, I am not sure.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 5/4/2017 12:14 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:
>>> Hi, I mean on occasion when we want to watch a TV show from a network 
>>> channel, it says in order to access this content you need to enter in your 
>>> cable provider credentials. That is if I'm going off of channel apps, such 
>>> as ABC, Food Network, PBS, etc.
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 4, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi Tracy and Scott,
 
 Like Kliph, we cut the chord over a year ago now.  We also still use our 
 Apple TV 4th Gen, and have been quite happy with it, though of course, 
 one's satisfaction with any such device will depend in large degree to 
 what content one wants to watch.  We find most of the shows we want, 
 though we do also have a library of favorite TV shows and movies.  Tracy, 
 not sure what you mean by being concerned that Apple TV is tied to your 
 cable provider.  It is tied to your ISP, as you need an internet 
 connection, but that would be the same with any device, so far as I know.
 HTH,
 Donna
 
 
> On May 4, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Well, I have 2 appleTV4’s, and no cable subscription, and I get most 
> things I like to watch.  I also have a library of movies, TV shows, and 
> music about 15TB that keep me busy when board.  But with Netflix, direct 
> TV now, and my own collection, I don’t need a cable subscription.
>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> My apologies for the confusion. I have no Rocku experience, I was just 
>> reading for my friend.
>> 
>> What disappoints me about the Apple TV, is how much it is still tied to 
>> your cable provider. I think that's why I am so interested in sling TV, 
>> or this new Hulu Live/DVR service. I'm tempted to sign up for the seven 
>> day trial, just to try it out on the iOS and AppleTV.
>> 
>> Looking forward to other answers,
>> Traci
>> PS. For those British TV fans in America, I just came across an app 
>> called BritBox. It is created by BBC and I TV. As far as I know, 2 of 
>> the biggest networks in the UK.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I’m trying to also make this decision, it’s been bothering me for 
>>> over a year now.  We brought this up a long time ago so I’m glad it’s 
>>> up for discussion now.  If it’s ok, I would like to include the other 
>>> non apple options and contrast how they work against their apple 
>>> counter parts.
>>> In my opinion, Apple TV in general was disappointing me to the point I 
>>> sold my generation 4.  I have a few generation 3 units around if I need 
>>> iTunes access and honestly I like the simplicity of that unit and the 
>>> fact you don’t depend on application providers to make their products 
>>> accessible.  That being said, I do like having the apple content 
>>> available on the phone so have enabled some of the IOS apps like 
>>> Netflix, Hulu, cbs and HBO.  These seem pretty good.
>>> I do use the Amazon box and that’s becoming very accessible.  I haven’t 
>>> tried Hulu Live but the basic stuff, cbs, Netflix, Hulu, the native 
>>> amazon content and so forth are great.
>>> If you wouldn’t mind could you detail your Roku experience. I’m 
>>> spending over $450 per month on internet, tv and cloud DVR service and 
>>> I’d love to cut out all the TV costs.
>>> 
 On May 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  

Re: Asking permission to list a Mac for sale

[E.T.]

   And here we get two in a row, were addressed to both the group and 
to the moderator address and both went to the inbox even though message 
filters are set.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 5/4/2017 1:53 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Odd. I have a filter to move messages sent to this list into their own folder, 
but Rachael's original message didn't go to that folder, meaning it wasn't to, 
or at least not only to, this list. I saw it was sent to 
macvisionaries+moderator, or something similar. I'm guessing that tag was 
invalid, so Gmail sent it to the base address, and thus to this list, but since 
the address was different my filter didn't pick it up. Maybe?

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2017, at 16:39, E.T.  wrote:

  Some do not realize the mods' email addresses  are listed in the footer.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 5/4/2017 1:18 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
Hello,
Somehow, I received this message. I'm not sure if I was made a moderator at 
some point, or if something snuk into your email? Either way, I can't answer 
for Mark or Cara, but hopefully one of them can clarify my own question here. 
If you get responses other than from the mods or myself, this could be why.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2017, at 15:59, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:

Hello Mark,

I am writing to ask your permission to list a Mac book pro I have for sale on 
the Mac visionaries list.
Thank you,
Rachel.

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Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Des Delgadillo]

Usually with Hulu the shows that need a cable login are made available no more 
than a day after it airs.
It’s not an Apple product but Chromecast has been my go-to lately, especially 
if you have TV shows downloaded to your computer and you use a Chrome plugin 
like Video Stream. That works really well on Mac and is super Voiceover 
compatible.
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> On May 4, 2017, at 1:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Traci,
>   Those networks that require you have a cable subscription can still be 
> accessed but there will be a delay. In other words, a show that airs tonight 
> for the first time cannot be viewed for a day, a week, I am not sure.
> 
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> On 5/4/2017 12:14 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:
>> Hi, I mean on occasion when we want to watch a TV show from a network 
>> channel, it says in order to access this content you need to enter in your 
>> cable provider credentials. That is if I'm going off of channel apps, such 
>> as ABC, Food Network, PBS, etc.
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tracy and Scott,
>>> 
>>> Like Kliph, we cut the chord over a year ago now.  We also still use our 
>>> Apple TV 4th Gen, and have been quite happy with it, though of course, 
>>> one's satisfaction with any such device will depend in large degree to what 
>>> content one wants to watch.  We find most of the shows we want, though we 
>>> do also have a library of favorite TV shows and movies.  Tracy, not sure 
>>> what you mean by being concerned that Apple TV is tied to your cable 
>>> provider.  It is tied to your ISP, as you need an internet connection, but 
>>> that would be the same with any device, so far as I know.
>>> HTH,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 4, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
 
 Well, I have 2 appleTV4’s, and no cable subscription, and I get most 
 things I like to watch.  I also have a library of movies, TV shows, and 
 music about 15TB that keep me busy when board.  But with Netflix, direct 
 TV now, and my own collection, I don’t need a cable subscription.
> On May 4, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> My apologies for the confusion. I have no Rocku experience, I was just 
> reading for my friend.
> 
> What disappoints me about the Apple TV, is how much it is still tied to 
> your cable provider. I think that's why I am so interested in sling TV, 
> or this new Hulu Live/DVR service. I'm tempted to sign up for the seven 
> day trial, just to try it out on the iOS and AppleTV.
> 
> Looking forward to other answers,
> Traci
> PS. For those British TV fans in America, I just came across an app 
> called BritBox. It is created by BBC and I TV. As far as I know, 2 of the 
> biggest networks in the UK.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So I’m trying to also make this decision, it’s been bothering me for 
>> over a year now.  We brought this up a long time ago so I’m glad it’s up 
>> for discussion now.  If it’s ok, I would like to include the other non 
>> apple options and contrast how they work against their apple counter 
>> parts.
>> In my opinion, Apple TV in general was disappointing me to the point I 
>> sold my generation 4.  I have a few generation 3 units around if I need 
>> iTunes access and honestly I like the simplicity of that unit and the 
>> fact you don’t depend on application providers to make their products 
>> accessible.  That being said, I do like having the apple content 
>> available on the phone so have enabled some of the IOS apps like 
>> Netflix, Hulu, cbs and HBO.  These seem pretty good.
>> I do use the Amazon box and that’s becoming very accessible.  I haven’t 
>> tried Hulu Live but the basic stuff, cbs, Netflix, Hulu, the native 
>> amazon content and so forth are great.
>> If you wouldn’t mind could you detail your Roku experience. I’m spending 
>> over $450 per month on internet, tv and cloud DVR service and I’d love 
>> to cut out all the TV costs.
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> This morning I was doing some research for a friend and it got me 
>>> thinking about my own household.  For years, I’ve wanted to cut the 
>>> cable cord.  It looks like Hulu live with cloud DVR might finally be 
>>> the answer for those reluctant cord cutters.

Re: Using a projector, Urgent help please

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

No, there's nothing further to do.  Make sure that it is the checkbox that says 
"turn Mirroring On", as opposed to the checkbox that says to place the Displays 
item in the MenuBar.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 4, 2017, at 14:53, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello tim:

Yes I can check and uncheck the mirroring.
I left it checked, but what should I do  next/
Must I change anything?


On 5/4/17, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've not used a projector with that specific model, but normally if
> Mirroring is not enabled, you will not see the presentation, only the
> Desktop or some other items.  In System Preferences, in Displays, under the
> Arrangement tab, you should have an option to turn mirroring on.  If you're
> unable to make it work using that, try downloading the Display Menu app from
> the AppStore.  It is free and gives you options in the Menu Extras for
> turning Mirroring on/off and adjusting the resolution.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 4, 2017, at 14:39, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> I need to connect my MacBook 2015 to an external projector.
> the projector is an old model so it has the VGa cable, i bought a converter
> between HDMI and VGA,
> i connected the Projector and i’m sure that tit is working.
> now,
> nothing is shown on the projector at all.
> i went to the system preferences and the mirror is not checked as suggested
> by Anne, but still the same.
> the most important thing is that, when restarting or sleeping, i can read
> the message that says Ramy’s MacBook on the projector and o n my MacBook
> screen, so it is working
> why i can not use all my mac on the projector? what am missing?
> Thanks so much
> 
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Re: Using a projector, Urgent help please

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello tim:

Yes I can check and uncheck the mirroring.
I left it checked, but what should I do  next/
Must I change anything?


On 5/4/17, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've not used a projector with that specific model, but normally if
> Mirroring is not enabled, you will not see the presentation, only the
> Desktop or some other items.  In System Preferences, in Displays, under the
> Arrangement tab, you should have an option to turn mirroring on.  If you're
> unable to make it work using that, try downloading the Display Menu app from
> the AppStore.  It is free and gives you options in the Menu Extras for
> turning Mirroring on/off and adjusting the resolution.
>
> HTH.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On May 4, 2017, at 14:39, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Hi all:
>
> I need to connect my MacBook 2015 to an external projector.
> the projector is an old model so it has the VGa cable, i bought a converter
> between HDMI and VGA,
> i connected the Projector and i’m sure that tit is working.
> now,
> nothing is shown on the projector at all.
> i went to the system preferences and the mirror is not checked as suggested
> by Anne, but still the same.
> the most important thing is that, when restarting or sleeping, i can read
> the message that says Ramy’s MacBook on the projector and o n my MacBook
> screen, so it is working
> why i can not use all my mac on the projector? what am missing?
> Thanks so much
>
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Re: Asking permission to list a Mac for sale

[Alex Hall]

Odd. I have a filter to move messages sent to this list into their own folder, 
but Rachael's original message didn't go to that folder, meaning it wasn't to, 
or at least not only to, this list. I saw it was sent to 
macvisionaries+moderator, or something similar. I'm guessing that tag was 
invalid, so Gmail sent it to the base address, and thus to this list, but since 
the address was different my filter didn't pick it up. Maybe?

Sent from my iPhone

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>> On 5/4/2017 1:18 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Somehow, I received this message. I'm not sure if I was made a moderator at 
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>> for Mark or Cara, but hopefully one of them can clarify my own question 
>> here. If you get responses other than from the mods or myself, this could be 
>> why.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On May 4, 2017, at 15:59, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark,
>>> 
>>> I am writing to ask your permission to list a Mac book pro I have for sale 
>>> on the Mac visionaries list.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Rachel.
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Re: Using a projector, Urgent help please

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I've not used a projector with that specific model, but normally if Mirroring 
is not enabled, you will not see the presentation, only the Desktop or some 
other items.  In System Preferences, in Displays, under the Arrangement tab, 
you should have an option to turn mirroring on.  If you're unable to make it 
work using that, try downloading the Display Menu app from the AppStore.  It is 
free and gives you options in the Menu Extras for turning Mirroring on/off and 
adjusting the resolution.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 4, 2017, at 14:39, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all:

I need to connect my MacBook 2015 to an external projector.
the projector is an old model so it has the VGa cable, i bought a converter 
between HDMI and VGA,
i connected the Projector and i’m sure that tit is working.
now,
nothing is shown on the projector at all.
i went to the system preferences and the mirror is not checked as suggested by 
Anne, but still the same.
the most important thing is that, when restarting or sleeping, i can read the 
message that says Ramy’s MacBook on the projector and o n my MacBook screen, so 
it is working
why i can not use all my mac on the projector? what am missing?
Thanks so much


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permission to list a few things for sale on the list...

[Cameron Strife]

Hi. just wondering if I can get permission to put an ad up for my
iPad, iPhone, iMac, and pro tools software for mac.

I could put it in a single message if that works...

Thanks,

Cameron.

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Re: Asking permission to list a Mac for sale

[E.T.]

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On 5/4/2017 1:18 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hello,
Somehow, I received this message. I'm not sure if I was made a moderator at 
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for Mark or Cara, but hopefully one of them can clarify my own question here. 
If you get responses other than from the mods or myself, this could be why.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2017, at 15:59, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:

Hello Mark,

I am writing to ask your permission to list a Mac book pro I have for sale on 
the Mac visionaries list.
Thank you,
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Using a projector, Urgent help please

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:

I need to connect my MacBook 2015 to an external projector.
the projector is an old model so it has the VGa cable, i bought a converter 
between HDMI and VGA,
i connected the Projector and i’m sure that tit is working.
now,
nothing is shown on the projector at all.
i went to the system preferences and the mirror is not checked as suggested by 
Anne, but still the same.
the most important thing is that, when restarting or sleeping, i can read the 
message that says Ramy’s MacBook on the projector and o n my MacBook screen, so 
it is working
why i can not use all my mac on the projector? what am missing?
Thanks so much


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Re: Asking permission to list a Mac for sale

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Re: Asking permission to list a Mac for sale

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Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[E.T.]

Traci,
   Those networks that require you have a cable subscription can still 
be accessed but there will be a delay. In other words, a show that airs 
tonight for the first time cannot be viewed for a day, a week, I am not 
sure.


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On 5/4/2017 12:14 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

Hi, I mean on occasion when we want to watch a TV show from a network channel, 
it says in order to access this content you need to enter in your cable 
provider credentials. That is if I'm going off of channel apps, such as ABC, 
Food Network, PBS, etc.

Traci

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi Tracy and Scott,

Like Kliph, we cut the chord over a year ago now.  We also still use our Apple 
TV 4th Gen, and have been quite happy with it, though of course, one's 
satisfaction with any such device will depend in large degree to what content 
one wants to watch.  We find most of the shows we want, though we do also have 
a library of favorite TV shows and movies.  Tracy, not sure what you mean by 
being concerned that Apple TV is tied to your cable provider.  It is tied to 
your ISP, as you need an internet connection, but that would be the same with 
any device, so far as I know.
HTH,
Donna



On May 4, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:

Well, I have 2 appleTV4’s, and no cable subscription, and I get most things I 
like to watch.  I also have a library of movies, TV shows, and music about 15TB 
that keep me busy when board.  But with Netflix, direct TV now, and my own 
collection, I don’t need a cable subscription.

On May 4, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

My apologies for the confusion. I have no Rocku experience, I was just reading 
for my friend.

What disappoints me about the Apple TV, is how much it is still tied to your 
cable provider. I think that's why I am so interested in sling TV, or this new 
Hulu Live/DVR service. I'm tempted to sign up for the seven day trial, just to 
try it out on the iOS and AppleTV.

Looking forward to other answers,
Traci
PS. For those British TV fans in America, I just came across an app called 
BritBox. It is created by BBC and I TV. As far as I know, 2 of the biggest 
networks in the UK.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

So I’m trying to also make this decision, it’s been bothering me for over a 
year now.  We brought this up a long time ago so I’m glad it’s up for 
discussion now.  If it’s ok, I would like to include the other non apple 
options and contrast how they work against their apple counter parts.
In my opinion, Apple TV in general was disappointing me to the point I sold my 
generation 4.  I have a few generation 3 units around if I need iTunes access 
and honestly I like the simplicity of that unit and the fact you don’t depend 
on application providers to make their products accessible.  That being said, I 
do like having the apple content available on the phone so have enabled some of 
the IOS apps like Netflix, Hulu, cbs and HBO.  These seem pretty good.
I do use the Amazon box and that’s becoming very accessible.  I haven’t tried 
Hulu Live but the basic stuff, cbs, Netflix, Hulu, the native amazon content 
and so forth are great.
If you wouldn’t mind could you detail your Roku experience. I’m spending over 
$450 per month on internet, tv and cloud DVR service and I’d love to cut out 
all the TV costs.


On May 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

Hi all,

This morning I was doing some research for a friend and it got me thinking 
about my own household.  For years, I’ve wanted to cut the cable cord.  It 
looks like Hulu live with cloud DVR might finally be the answer for those 
reluctant cord cutters.

My question for the groups are what has been your accessible experience?  For 
iOS and Apple TV, I’m familiar with Netflix and traditional Hulu.  I haven’t 
tried either of these services on the Mac.

I’m completely unfamiliar with Sling TV and it’s level of accessibility.  
Reading about it this morning though, I like the pricing and channel offerings.

I did some reading about the Roku for my sighted friend, but that accessibility 
part is a little off topic for these groups.  :)

What has been your experiences?  I will say one big drawback of cutting the 
cable cord is losing audio description.  As far as I’m aware, only Netflix 
offers this.  It’s too bad on the iOS apps or Apple TV, the networks don’t 
include it.

Thanks for sharing with the group,
Traci

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Hello Mark,

I am writing to ask your permission to list a Mac book pro I have for sale on 
the Mac visionaries list.
Thank you,
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Re: Security code

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Swipe right.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 4, 2017, at 13:00, Terje Strømberg  wrote:

I missed the right numbers while reading the code with voice over, finger 
swiped down instead of fingerswiping to the right after selecting digits. Or 
was it the other way? What is the right way for reading this code again with 
voice over? Only done it twice.

Take care

> 1. mai 2017 kl. 02.59 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Jeff, you are correct.  Just enter the code when the dialogue pops up and 
> when you enter the sixth digit it proceeds.
>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:37 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi E.T. I think after you type the last digit the code is just
>> accepted and the dialogue goes away. Don't quote me though I've only
>> done it like twice in ituens.
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/30/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>>  Thanks Jeff. After the last digit, just press return or is there an
>>> Ok button?
>>> 
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>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 4/30/2017 8:34 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
 Hi E.T., From what I've experienced, just type the code, don't tab or
 vo+arrow arround. I made the mistake the first time of tabbing and my
 first digit went into the second field. So, just start typing and
 you'll be moved to the next field automatically.
 Hope this helps! Jeff
 
 
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>  When this dialog comes up asking for the 6 digit security code
> displayed on the iPhone. it seems to need a different way of navigating
> those 6 boxes. What works here? At the moment I am ok but know I will
> need to do it again at some point. Thanks.
> 
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Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Tracy,

I don't watch those channels, but I think that this isn't an Apple TV problem, 
it's a network problem.  By that I mean that ABC, Food Network etc. want to 
make sure you aren't getting their content for free.  I doubt that Apple could 
care less. :)  I do think that in most cases there is an app you can subscribe 
to.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 4, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I mean on occasion when we want to watch a TV show from a network 
> channel, it says in order to access this content you need to enter in your 
> cable provider credentials. That is if I'm going off of channel apps, such as 
> ABC, Food Network, PBS, etc.
> 
> Traci
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tracy and Scott,
>> 
>> Like Kliph, we cut the chord over a year ago now.  We also still use our 
>> Apple TV 4th Gen, and have been quite happy with it, though of course, one's 
>> satisfaction with any such device will depend in large degree to what 
>> content one wants to watch.  We find most of the shows we want, though we do 
>> also have a library of favorite TV shows and movies.  Tracy, not sure what 
>> you mean by being concerned that Apple TV is tied to your cable provider.  
>> It is tied to your ISP, as you need an internet connection, but that would 
>> be the same with any device, so far as I know.
>> HTH,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I have 2 appleTV4’s, and no cable subscription, and I get most things 
>>> I like to watch.  I also have a library of movies, TV shows, and music 
>>> about 15TB that keep me busy when board.  But with Netflix, direct TV now, 
>>> and my own collection, I don’t need a cable subscription.
 On May 4, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
 My apologies for the confusion. I have no Rocku experience, I was just 
 reading for my friend.
 
 What disappoints me about the Apple TV, is how much it is still tied to 
 your cable provider. I think that's why I am so interested in sling TV, or 
 this new Hulu Live/DVR service. I'm tempted to sign up for the seven day 
 trial, just to try it out on the iOS and AppleTV.
 
 Looking forward to other answers,
 Traci
 PS. For those British TV fans in America, I just came across an app called 
 BritBox. It is created by BBC and I TV. As far as I know, 2 of the biggest 
 networks in the UK.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On May 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> So I’m trying to also make this decision, it’s been bothering me for over 
> a year now.  We brought this up a long time ago so I’m glad it’s up for 
> discussion now.  If it’s ok, I would like to include the other non apple 
> options and contrast how they work against their apple counter parts.
> In my opinion, Apple TV in general was disappointing me to the point I 
> sold my generation 4.  I have a few generation 3 units around if I need 
> iTunes access and honestly I like the simplicity of that unit and the 
> fact you don’t depend on application providers to make their products 
> accessible.  That being said, I do like having the apple content 
> available on the phone so have enabled some of the IOS apps like Netflix, 
> Hulu, cbs and HBO.  These seem pretty good.
> I do use the Amazon box and that’s becoming very accessible.  I haven’t 
> tried Hulu Live but the basic stuff, cbs, Netflix, Hulu, the native 
> amazon content and so forth are great.
> If you wouldn’t mind could you detail your Roku experience. I’m spending 
> over $450 per month on internet, tv and cloud DVR service and I’d love to 
> cut out all the TV costs.
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This morning I was doing some research for a friend and it got me 
>> thinking about my own household.  For years, I’ve wanted to cut the 
>> cable cord.  It looks like Hulu live with cloud DVR might finally be the 
>> answer for those reluctant cord cutters.
>> 
>> My question for the groups are what has been your accessible experience? 
>>  For iOS and Apple TV, I’m familiar with Netflix and traditional Hulu.  
>> I haven’t tried either of these services on the Mac.
>> 
>> I’m completely unfamiliar with Sling TV and it’s level of accessibility. 
>>  Reading about it this morning though, I like the pricing and channel 
>> offerings.
>> 
>> I did some reading about the Roku for my sighted friend, but that 
>> accessibility part is a little off topic for these groups.  :)
>> 
>> What has been your experiences?  I will say one big drawback of cutting 
>> the cable cord is losing 

Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Traci Duncan]

Hi, I mean on occasion when we want to watch a TV show from a network channel, 
it says in order to access this content you need to enter in your cable 
provider credentials. That is if I'm going off of channel apps, such as ABC, 
Food Network, PBS, etc.

Traci

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 4, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tracy and Scott,
> 
> Like Kliph, we cut the chord over a year ago now.  We also still use our 
> Apple TV 4th Gen, and have been quite happy with it, though of course, one's 
> satisfaction with any such device will depend in large degree to what content 
> one wants to watch.  We find most of the shows we want, though we do also 
> have a library of favorite TV shows and movies.  Tracy, not sure what you 
> mean by being concerned that Apple TV is tied to your cable provider.  It is 
> tied to your ISP, as you need an internet connection, but that would be the 
> same with any device, so far as I know.
> HTH,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I have 2 appleTV4’s, and no cable subscription, and I get most things 
>> I like to watch.  I also have a library of movies, TV shows, and music about 
>> 15TB that keep me busy when board.  But with Netflix, direct TV now, and my 
>> own collection, I don’t need a cable subscription.
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My apologies for the confusion. I have no Rocku experience, I was just 
>>> reading for my friend.
>>> 
>>> What disappoints me about the Apple TV, is how much it is still tied to 
>>> your cable provider. I think that's why I am so interested in sling TV, or 
>>> this new Hulu Live/DVR service. I'm tempted to sign up for the seven day 
>>> trial, just to try it out on the iOS and AppleTV.
>>> 
>>> Looking forward to other answers,
>>> Traci
>>> PS. For those British TV fans in America, I just came across an app called 
>>> BritBox. It is created by BBC and I TV. As far as I know, 2 of the biggest 
>>> networks in the UK.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 So I’m trying to also make this decision, it’s been bothering me for over 
 a year now.  We brought this up a long time ago so I’m glad it’s up for 
 discussion now.  If it’s ok, I would like to include the other non apple 
 options and contrast how they work against their apple counter parts.
 In my opinion, Apple TV in general was disappointing me to the point I 
 sold my generation 4.  I have a few generation 3 units around if I need 
 iTunes access and honestly I like the simplicity of that unit and the fact 
 you don’t depend on application providers to make their products 
 accessible.  That being said, I do like having the apple content available 
 on the phone so have enabled some of the IOS apps like Netflix, Hulu, cbs 
 and HBO.  These seem pretty good.
 I do use the Amazon box and that’s becoming very accessible.  I haven’t 
 tried Hulu Live but the basic stuff, cbs, Netflix, Hulu, the native amazon 
 content and so forth are great.
 If you wouldn’t mind could you detail your Roku experience. I’m spending 
 over $450 per month on internet, tv and cloud DVR service and I’d love to 
 cut out all the TV costs.
 
> On May 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This morning I was doing some research for a friend and it got me 
> thinking about my own household.  For years, I’ve wanted to cut the cable 
> cord.  It looks like Hulu live with cloud DVR might finally be the answer 
> for those reluctant cord cutters.
> 
> My question for the groups are what has been your accessible experience?  
> For iOS and Apple TV, I’m familiar with Netflix and traditional Hulu.  I 
> haven’t tried either of these services on the Mac.
> 
> I’m completely unfamiliar with Sling TV and it’s level of accessibility.  
> Reading about it this morning though, I like the pricing and channel 
> offerings.
> 
> I did some reading about the Roku for my sighted friend, but that 
> accessibility part is a little off topic for these groups.  :)
> 
> What has been your experiences?  I will say one big drawback of cutting 
> the cable cord is losing audio description.  As far as I’m aware, only 
> Netflix offers this.  It’s too bad on the iOS apps or Apple TV, the 
> networks don’t include it.
> 
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> Traci
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Re: Security code

[Terje Strømberg]

I missed the right numbers while reading the code with voice over, finger 
swiped down instead of fingerswiping to the right after selecting digits. Or 
was it the other way? What is the right way for reading this code again with 
voice over? Only done it twice.

Take care

> 1. mai 2017 kl. 02.59 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Jeff, you are correct.  Just enter the code when the dialogue pops up and 
> when you enter the sixth digit it proceeds.
>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:37 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi E.T. I think after you type the last digit the code is just
>> accepted and the dialogue goes away. Don't quote me though I've only
>> done it like twice in ituens.
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/30/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>>   Thanks Jeff. After the last digit, just press return or is there an
>>> Ok button?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 4/30/2017 8:34 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
 Hi E.T., From what I've experienced, just type the code, don't tab or
 vo+arrow arround. I made the mistake the first time of tabbing and my
 first digit went into the second field. So, just start typing and
 you'll be moved to the next field automatically.
 Hope this helps! Jeff
 
 
 On 4/29/17, E.T.  wrote:
>   When this dialog comes up asking for the 6 digit security code
> displayed on the iPhone. it seems to need a different way of navigating
> those 6 boxes. What works here? At the moment I am ok but know I will
> need to do it again at some point. Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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Re: Presenting with Keynote

[Caitlyn Furness]

Likewise.  I really need to learn this for my business..

Further, Ann, is there a way we can compensate you for these, like PayPal?

Thanks!
Cait

> On May 4, 2017, at 2:23 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> Ann,
> Is there any way you could send me those documents? This is something I 
> really need to learn and I am pretty lost at this point.
> Thanks
> Nancy
>> On May 3, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Ramy,
>> 
>> I sent you some documents about presenting with Keynote, but the 
>> instructions you quote do not correspond with my documents. Here are the 
>> instructions I provided for presenting without a Braille display.
>> Running the presentation
>> 
>> Select the first slide in the Slide Navigator by interacting and doing 
>> VO-Home.
>> Start the slideshow with Cmd-Option-p.
>> Go to last item (VO-End).
>> Interact.
>> You should be able to read through the text of the presenter notes for the 
>> first slide.
>> Stop interacting and do a mouse click.
>> Go to last item again and continue in this way until the presentation is 
>> finished.
>> If you have to go to the previous slide for some reason, you’ll need to use 
>> the shortcut Cmd-Ctrl-Left Arrow.
>> 
>> The mouse click is to advance to the next slide, and the final instruction 
>> is how to return to the previous slide should you need to.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 May 2017, at 14:08, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> 
>>> Don't know from whom here I got the very very helpful documents about
>>> the Keynote,
>>> but Thanks so much for the person who sent me this, much abbreciated
>>> now, all I need is to present with keynote, I made all the steps
>>> mentioned, of cores don't know if the resolution is ok or not, but
>>> anyway, waiting any sited person to look
>>> 
>>> the most part now, that I can not understand is the last part in the
>>> document which asked me to go to the last Slide hit left mouse, then
>>> then play.
>>> why is this?
>>> I can do command-option-p and it's working, so what is missed here?
>>> 
>>> THanks in advance
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> Music instructor @:
>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>>> Harmony Recording Studio
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prismo mac os

[Nancy Badger]

Hi everyone,
I just got done listening to a podcast from Blind Abilities on prismo go for 
IOS. During the podcast it was mentioned that there is a prismo for mac os. Has 
anyone tried this yet? Is it vo accessible? Is it a good solution for reading 
PDFs on the mac? they said it costs about 50.00 dollars so I don’t want to do 
it unless others have found it helpful.
Thanks in advance
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Re: Presenting with Keynote

[Nancy Badger]

Ann,
Is there any way you could send me those documents? This is something I really 
need to learn and I am pretty lost at this point.
Thanks
Nancy
> On May 3, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ramy,
> 
> I sent you some documents about presenting with Keynote, but the instructions 
> you quote do not correspond with my documents. Here are the instructions I 
> provided for presenting without a Braille display.
> Running the presentation
> 
> Select the first slide in the Slide Navigator by interacting and doing 
> VO-Home.
> Start the slideshow with Cmd-Option-p.
> Go to last item (VO-End).
> Interact.
> You should be able to read through the text of the presenter notes for the 
> first slide.
> Stop interacting and do a mouse click.
> Go to last item again and continue in this way until the presentation is 
> finished.
> If you have to go to the previous slide for some reason, you’ll need to use 
> the shortcut Cmd-Ctrl-Left Arrow.
> 
> The mouse click is to advance to the next slide, and the final instruction is 
> how to return to the previous slide should you need to.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3 May 2017, at 14:08, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> Don't know from whom here I got the very very helpful documents about
>> the Keynote,
>> but Thanks so much for the person who sent me this, much abbreciated
>> now, all I need is to present with keynote, I made all the steps
>> mentioned, of cores don't know if the resolution is ok or not, but
>> anyway, waiting any sited person to look
>> 
>> the most part now, that I can not understand is the last part in the
>> document which asked me to go to the last Slide hit left mouse, then
>> then play.
>> why is this?
>> I can do command-option-p and it's working, so what is missed here?
>> 
>> THanks in advance
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Tracy and Scott,

Like Kliph, we cut the chord over a year ago now.  We also still use our Apple 
TV 4th Gen, and have been quite happy with it, though of course, one's 
satisfaction with any such device will depend in large degree to what content 
one wants to watch.  We find most of the shows we want, though we do also have 
a library of favorite TV shows and movies.  Tracy, not sure what you mean by 
being concerned that Apple TV is tied to your cable provider.  It is tied to 
your ISP, as you need an internet connection, but that would be the same with 
any device, so far as I know.
HTH,
Donna


> On May 4, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Well, I have 2 appleTV4’s, and no cable subscription, and I get most things I 
> like to watch.  I also have a library of movies, TV shows, and music about 
> 15TB that keep me busy when board.  But with Netflix, direct TV now, and my 
> own collection, I don’t need a cable subscription.
>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> My apologies for the confusion. I have no Rocku experience, I was just 
>> reading for my friend.
>> 
>> What disappoints me about the Apple TV, is how much it is still tied to your 
>> cable provider. I think that's why I am so interested in sling TV, or this 
>> new Hulu Live/DVR service. I'm tempted to sign up for the seven day trial, 
>> just to try it out on the iOS and AppleTV.
>> 
>> Looking forward to other answers,
>> Traci
>> PS. For those British TV fans in America, I just came across an app called 
>> BritBox. It is created by BBC and I TV. As far as I know, 2 of the biggest 
>> networks in the UK.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I’m trying to also make this decision, it’s been bothering me for over a 
>>> year now.  We brought this up a long time ago so I’m glad it’s up for 
>>> discussion now.  If it’s ok, I would like to include the other non apple 
>>> options and contrast how they work against their apple counter parts.
>>>  In my opinion, Apple TV in general was disappointing me to the point I 
>>> sold my generation 4.  I have a few generation 3 units around if I need 
>>> iTunes access and honestly I like the simplicity of that unit and the fact 
>>> you don’t depend on application providers to make their products 
>>> accessible.  That being said, I do like having the apple content available 
>>> on the phone so have enabled some of the IOS apps like Netflix, Hulu, cbs 
>>> and HBO.  These seem pretty good.
>>>  I do use the Amazon box and that’s becoming very accessible.  I haven’t 
>>> tried Hulu Live but the basic stuff, cbs, Netflix, Hulu, the native amazon 
>>> content and so forth are great.
>>>  If you wouldn’t mind could you detail your Roku experience. I’m spending 
>>> over $450 per month on internet, tv and cloud DVR service and I’d love to 
>>> cut out all the TV costs.
>>> 
 On May 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 This morning I was doing some research for a friend and it got me thinking 
 about my own household.  For years, I’ve wanted to cut the cable cord.  It 
 looks like Hulu live with cloud DVR might finally be the answer for those 
 reluctant cord cutters.
 
 My question for the groups are what has been your accessible experience?  
 For iOS and Apple TV, I’m familiar with Netflix and traditional Hulu.  I 
 haven’t tried either of these services on the Mac.
 
 I’m completely unfamiliar with Sling TV and it’s level of accessibility.  
 Reading about it this morning though, I like the pricing and channel 
 offerings.
 
 I did some reading about the Roku for my sighted friend, but that 
 accessibility part is a little off topic for these groups.  :)
 
 What has been your experiences?  I will say one big drawback of cutting 
 the cable cord is losing audio description.  As far as I’m aware, only 
 Netflix offers this.  It’s too bad on the iOS apps or Apple TV, the 
 networks don’t include it.
 
 Thanks for sharing with the group,
 Traci
 
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Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Kliphton Miller]

Well, I have 2 appleTV4’s, and no cable subscription, and I get most things I 
like to watch.  I also have a library of movies, TV shows, and music about 15TB 
that keep me busy when board.  But with Netflix, direct TV now, and my own 
collection, I don’t need a cable subscription.
> On May 4, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> My apologies for the confusion. I have no Rocku experience, I was just 
> reading for my friend.
> 
> What disappoints me about the Apple TV, is how much it is still tied to your 
> cable provider. I think that's why I am so interested in sling TV, or this 
> new Hulu Live/DVR service. I'm tempted to sign up for the seven day trial, 
> just to try it out on the iOS and AppleTV.
> 
> Looking forward to other answers,
> Traci
> PS. For those British TV fans in America, I just came across an app called 
> BritBox. It is created by BBC and I TV. As far as I know, 2 of the biggest 
> networks in the UK.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So I’m trying to also make this decision, it’s been bothering me for over a 
>> year now.  We brought this up a long time ago so I’m glad it’s up for 
>> discussion now.  If it’s ok, I would like to include the other non apple 
>> options and contrast how they work against their apple counter parts.
>>   In my opinion, Apple TV in general was disappointing me to the point I 
>> sold my generation 4.  I have a few generation 3 units around if I need 
>> iTunes access and honestly I like the simplicity of that unit and the fact 
>> you don’t depend on application providers to make their products accessible. 
>>  That being said, I do like having the apple content available on the phone 
>> so have enabled some of the IOS apps like Netflix, Hulu, cbs and HBO.  These 
>> seem pretty good.
>>   I do use the Amazon box and that’s becoming very accessible.  I haven’t 
>> tried Hulu Live but the basic stuff, cbs, Netflix, Hulu, the native amazon 
>> content and so forth are great.
>>   If you wouldn’t mind could you detail your Roku experience. I’m spending 
>> over $450 per month on internet, tv and cloud DVR service and I’d love to 
>> cut out all the TV costs.
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> This morning I was doing some research for a friend and it got me thinking 
>>> about my own household.  For years, I’ve wanted to cut the cable cord.  It 
>>> looks like Hulu live with cloud DVR might finally be the answer for those 
>>> reluctant cord cutters.
>>> 
>>> My question for the groups are what has been your accessible experience?  
>>> For iOS and Apple TV, I’m familiar with Netflix and traditional Hulu.  I 
>>> haven’t tried either of these services on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> I’m completely unfamiliar with Sling TV and it’s level of accessibility.  
>>> Reading about it this morning though, I like the pricing and channel 
>>> offerings.
>>> 
>>> I did some reading about the Roku for my sighted friend, but that 
>>> accessibility part is a little off topic for these groups.  :)
>>> 
>>> What has been your experiences?  I will say one big drawback of cutting the 
>>> cable cord is losing audio description.  As far as I’m aware, only Netflix 
>>> offers this.  It’s too bad on the iOS apps or Apple TV, the networks don’t 
>>> include it.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for sharing with the group,
>>> Traci
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Re: Changing SIM card without sighted help

[Andrew Lamanche]

Dear Anne,

Thank you so much for your reassuring words.  I've always been worried about 
messing swapping SIM cards up and doing some damage.  It is so good to know 
that others have been successful with this.

Best wishes

Andrew
> On 4 May 2017, at 12:31, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Andrew,
> 
> Yes, you can do this without sighted help.
> In the box your iPhone came in, there was a small package of documentation 
> with a tiny tool tucked just inside. This tool is rectangular with a spike 
> sticking out at the bottom.
> You need to insert the spike into a hole on the righthand edge of your iPhone 
> and press quite hard. A little tray will pop out a short way. This holds the 
> SIM card. One corner is cut so that you can’t insert the card the wrong way 
> round.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4 May 2017, at 11:57, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When I first got my iphone SE, a sighted person inserted the SIM card into 
>> it.  I just wonder whether it is possible for a totally blind person to 
>> remove and insert a SIM card independently?  It is that I want to have the 
>> option of swapping my SIM cards at will.  It is an unlocked iphone so I 
>> should be able to use whatever SIM card I wish.  Am I correct?
>> 
>> Also, any tips of how to recognise which way to insert the sIM would be very 
>> helpful.
>> 
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>> 
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Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Traci Duncan]

My apologies for the confusion. I have no Rocku experience, I was just reading 
for my friend.

What disappoints me about the Apple TV, is how much it is still tied to your 
cable provider. I think that's why I am so interested in sling TV, or this new 
Hulu Live/DVR service. I'm tempted to sign up for the seven day trial, just to 
try it out on the iOS and AppleTV.

Looking forward to other answers,
Traci
PS. For those British TV fans in America, I just came across an app called 
BritBox. It is created by BBC and I TV. As far as I know, 2 of the biggest 
networks in the UK.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So I’m trying to also make this decision, it’s been bothering me for over a 
> year now.  We brought this up a long time ago so I’m glad it’s up for 
> discussion now.  If it’s ok, I would like to include the other non apple 
> options and contrast how they work against their apple counter parts.
>In my opinion, Apple TV in general was disappointing me to the point I 
> sold my generation 4.  I have a few generation 3 units around if I need 
> iTunes access and honestly I like the simplicity of that unit and the fact 
> you don’t depend on application providers to make their products accessible.  
> That being said, I do like having the apple content available on the phone so 
> have enabled some of the IOS apps like Netflix, Hulu, cbs and HBO.  These 
> seem pretty good.
>I do use the Amazon box and that’s becoming very accessible.  I haven’t 
> tried Hulu Live but the basic stuff, cbs, Netflix, Hulu, the native amazon 
> content and so forth are great.
>If you wouldn’t mind could you detail your Roku experience. I’m spending 
> over $450 per month on internet, tv and cloud DVR service and I’d love to cut 
> out all the TV costs.
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This morning I was doing some research for a friend and it got me thinking 
>> about my own household.  For years, I’ve wanted to cut the cable cord.  It 
>> looks like Hulu live with cloud DVR might finally be the answer for those 
>> reluctant cord cutters.
>> 
>> My question for the groups are what has been your accessible experience?  
>> For iOS and Apple TV, I’m familiar with Netflix and traditional Hulu.  I 
>> haven’t tried either of these services on the Mac.
>> 
>> I’m completely unfamiliar with Sling TV and it’s level of accessibility.  
>> Reading about it this morning though, I like the pricing and channel 
>> offerings.
>> 
>> I did some reading about the Roku for my sighted friend, but that 
>> accessibility part is a little off topic for these groups.  :)
>> 
>> What has been your experiences?  I will say one big drawback of cutting the 
>> cable cord is losing audio description.  As far as I’m aware, only Netflix 
>> offers this.  It’s too bad on the iOS apps or Apple TV, the networks don’t 
>> include it.
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing with the group,
>> Traci
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Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Scott Granados]

So I’m trying to also make this decision, it’s been bothering me for over a 
year now.  We brought this up a long time ago so I’m glad it’s up for 
discussion now.  If it’s ok, I would like to include the other non apple 
options and contrast how they work against their apple counter parts.
In my opinion, Apple TV in general was disappointing me to the point I 
sold my generation 4.  I have a few generation 3 units around if I need iTunes 
access and honestly I like the simplicity of that unit and the fact you don’t 
depend on application providers to make their products accessible.  That being 
said, I do like having the apple content available on the phone so have enabled 
some of the IOS apps like Netflix, Hulu, cbs and HBO.  These seem pretty good.
I do use the Amazon box and that’s becoming very accessible.  I haven’t 
tried Hulu Live but the basic stuff, cbs, Netflix, Hulu, the native amazon 
content and so forth are great.
If you wouldn’t mind could you detail your Roku experience. I’m 
spending over $450 per month on internet, tv and cloud DVR service and I’d love 
to cut out all the TV costs.

> On May 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This morning I was doing some research for a friend and it got me thinking 
> about my own household.  For years, I’ve wanted to cut the cable cord.  It 
> looks like Hulu live with cloud DVR might finally be the answer for those 
> reluctant cord cutters.
> 
> My question for the groups are what has been your accessible experience?  For 
> iOS and Apple TV, I’m familiar with Netflix and traditional Hulu.  I haven’t 
> tried either of these services on the Mac.
> 
> I’m completely unfamiliar with Sling TV and it’s level of accessibility.  
> Reading about it this morning though, I like the pricing and channel 
> offerings.
> 
> I did some reading about the Roku for my sighted friend, but that 
> accessibility part is a little off topic for these groups.  :)
> 
> What has been your experiences?  I will say one big drawback of cutting the 
> cable cord is losing audio description.  As far as I’m aware, only Netflix 
> offers this.  It’s too bad on the iOS apps or Apple TV, the networks don’t 
> include it.
> 
> Thanks for sharing with the group,
> Traci
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Re: apple remote desktop

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Not sure if one of my responses made it to the list.  The Server app is found 
in the Mac App Store.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 4, 2017, at 11:20, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Simon,

I'm not sure specifically which VPS he's planning to use, but if you do a 
search on Apple VPS, you'll notice some specific results.  They seem to be 
quite robust systems, but I'm not sure of their usability from an accessibility 
prospective.  I'm in contact with some folks regarding the passing through of 
VO-keystrokes and returning of VO audio.  WE'll see how responsive they are 
with me.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 4, 2017, at 02:26, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

What is the VPS you be speaking of?

I assume some sort of virtual system



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Hi,

I've never tried it with a VPS, but essentially, the answer is "No", with some 
conditions.  The Mac OS does not pass through the audio from the remote device, 
thus you're unable to know what is happening on the remote machine.  Yes, ARD 
will control it just fine, you just won't know what's going on.  If OS X Server 
is installed on the VPS, then you can administer that Server with the Server 
app on your local Mac machine, but the initial installation of the Server 
software on the VPS may require sighted assistance.  There's also much that can 
be accomplished using ssh and Terminal, but regular GUI control with VO will 
not work for you.  What seems to happen with ARD and VO commands is that VO 
will remain in control of the local device and there appears to be no method by 
which the VO commands can be redirected and therefore passed through to the 
remote client.

If someone knows better, I'd love to be enlightened.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 3, 2017, at 09:09, mattias  wrote:

if i buy a osx vps

will i be able to administer it from apple remote desktop?

with voiceover

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Re: Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Kliphton Miller]

The Hulu live tv service is ok, if you have patients to try and figure out the 
layout, things are okay.  As for audio description, direct TV now does have 
some.
> On May 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This morning I was doing some research for a friend and it got me thinking 
> about my own household.  For years, I’ve wanted to cut the cable cord.  It 
> looks like Hulu live with cloud DVR might finally be the answer for those 
> reluctant cord cutters.
> 
> My question for the groups are what has been your accessible experience?  For 
> iOS and Apple TV, I’m familiar with Netflix and traditional Hulu.  I haven’t 
> tried either of these services on the Mac.
> 
> I’m completely unfamiliar with Sling TV and it’s level of accessibility.  
> Reading about it this morning though, I like the pricing and channel 
> offerings.
> 
> I did some reading about the Roku for my sighted friend, but that 
> accessibility part is a little off topic for these groups.  :)
> 
> What has been your experiences?  I will say one big drawback of cutting the 
> cable cord is losing audio description.  As far as I’m aware, only Netflix 
> offers this.  It’s too bad on the iOS apps or Apple TV, the networks don’t 
> include it.
> 
> Thanks for sharing with the group,
> Traci
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Accessibility of cutting the cord

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all,

This morning I was doing some research for a friend and it got me thinking 
about my own household.  For years, I’ve wanted to cut the cable cord.  It 
looks like Hulu live with cloud DVR might finally be the answer for those 
reluctant cord cutters.

My question for the groups are what has been your accessible experience?  For 
iOS and Apple TV, I’m familiar with Netflix and traditional Hulu.  I haven’t 
tried either of these services on the Mac.

I’m completely unfamiliar with Sling TV and it’s level of accessibility.  
Reading about it this morning though, I like the pricing and channel offerings.

I did some reading about the Roku for my sighted friend, but that accessibility 
part is a little off topic for these groups.  :)

What has been your experiences?  I will say one big drawback of cutting the 
cable cord is losing audio description.  As far as I’m aware, only Netflix 
offers this.  It’s too bad on the iOS apps or Apple TV, the networks don’t 
include it.

Thanks for sharing with the group,
Traci

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Re: apple remote desktop

[Tim Kilburn]

Simon,

I'm not sure specifically which VPS he's planning to use, but if you do a 
search on Apple VPS, you'll notice some specific results.  They seem to be 
quite robust systems, but I'm not sure of their usability from an accessibility 
prospective.  I'm in contact with some folks regarding the passing through of 
VO-keystrokes and returning of VO audio.  WE'll see how responsive they are 
with me.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 4, 2017, at 02:26, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

What is the VPS you be speaking of?

I assume some sort of virtual system



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Subject: Re: apple remote desktop

Hi,

I've never tried it with a VPS, but essentially, the answer is "No", with some 
conditions.  The Mac OS does not pass through the audio from the remote device, 
thus you're unable to know what is happening on the remote machine.  Yes, ARD 
will control it just fine, you just won't know what's going on.  If OS X Server 
is installed on the VPS, then you can administer that Server with the Server 
app on your local Mac machine, but the initial installation of the Server 
software on the VPS may require sighted assistance.  There's also much that can 
be accomplished using ssh and Terminal, but regular GUI control with VO will 
not work for you.  What seems to happen with ARD and VO commands is that VO 
will remain in control of the local device and there appears to be no method by 
which the VO commands can be redirected and therefore passed through to the 
remote client.

If someone knows better, I'd love to be enlightened.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 3, 2017, at 09:09, mattias  wrote:

if i buy a osx vps

will i be able to administer it from apple remote desktop?

with voiceover

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Stopping automatic videos on Safari

[Traci Duncan]

As the subject says…  Some news sites like cNet and pcMag have these automatic 
videos begin along with the text article.  Is there an accessible way to stop 
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Re: Presenting with Keynote

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks Anne, very helpful
will go to try this with a sited person today

Thanks again


On 5/3/17, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Ramy,
>
> I sent you some documents about presenting with Keynote, but the
> instructions you quote do not correspond with my documents. Here are the
> instructions I provided for presenting without a Braille display.
> Running the presentation
>
> Select the first slide in the Slide Navigator by interacting and doing
> VO-Home.
> Start the slideshow with Cmd-Option-p.
> Go to last item (VO-End).
> Interact.
> You should be able to read through the text of the presenter notes for the
> first slide.
> Stop interacting and do a mouse click.
> Go to last item again and continue in this way until the presentation is
> finished.
> If you have to go to the previous slide for some reason, you’ll need to use
> the shortcut Cmd-Ctrl-Left Arrow.
>
> The mouse click is to advance to the next slide, and the final instruction
> is how to return to the previous slide should you need to.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>> On 3 May 2017, at 14:08, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>>
>> Don't know from whom here I got the very very helpful documents about
>> the Keynote,
>> but Thanks so much for the person who sent me this, much abbreciated
>> now, all I need is to present with keynote, I made all the steps
>> mentioned, of cores don't know if the resolution is ok or not, but
>> anyway, waiting any sited person to look
>>
>> the most part now, that I can not understand is the last part in the
>> document which asked me to go to the last Slide hit left mouse, then
>> then play.
>> why is this?
>> I can do command-option-p and it's working, so what is missed here?
>>
>> THanks in advance
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Faculty ofmusical education
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Re: heads up, pfishing scam targeting gmail and GoogleDocs

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   Of course. (smiles)

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On 5/4/2017 8:10 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Well, as we know, not everyone's "Scan alert device" is as heightened as yours. 
 Never hurts to give folks a heads up.
Cheers,
Donna

On May 4, 2017, at 9:26 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  I did not even hesitate to trash this email as soon as I saw it. My Scam 
Alert Device sounded immediately.

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On 5/4/2017 5:44 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi all,

I just wanted to pass this along, since I know there are many gmail
users on list.  I actually got one of these yesterday - it's for real.

Cheers,
Donna


A new malware threat has been spreading rapidly over the past 24 hours
with several instances of the threat reported to CSIT staff.  This
particular threat is a sophisticated phishing scam leveraging Gmail
contacts to replicate itself.

The threat presents itself as an email message notifying the recipient
that a Google Docs document has been shared with them.  The message
appears to come from a contact known to the recipient and includes a
link to the shared document.  If message recipient clicks on the link,
they are taken to a web page disquised as the Google logon page where
any credential they enter are collected.

Once Google credentials have been collected the malware uses those
credentials to access the contacts and mailbox in order to replicate
the original malicious mailing yet again.  Hence the rapid spread of
the threat.

Google has taken actions to mitigate the threat - such as taking down
fraudulent web pages and blocking compromised Gmail accounts.
Nevertheless, Google users have been warned against reflexively
clicking on links to shared documents regardless the apparent source.


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Re: heads up, pfishing scam targeting gmail and GoogleDocs

[Donna Goodin]

Well, as we know, not everyone's "Scan alert device" is as heightened as yours. 
 Never hurts to give folks a heads up.
Cheers,
Donna 
> On May 4, 2017, at 9:26 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I did not even hesitate to trash this email as soon as I saw it. My Scam 
> Alert Device sounded immediately.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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> On 5/4/2017 5:44 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just wanted to pass this along, since I know there are many gmail
>> users on list.  I actually got one of these yesterday - it's for real.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> A new malware threat has been spreading rapidly over the past 24 hours
>>> with several instances of the threat reported to CSIT staff.  This
>>> particular threat is a sophisticated phishing scam leveraging Gmail
>>> contacts to replicate itself.
>>> 
>>> The threat presents itself as an email message notifying the recipient
>>> that a Google Docs document has been shared with them.  The message
>>> appears to come from a contact known to the recipient and includes a
>>> link to the shared document.  If message recipient clicks on the link,
>>> they are taken to a web page disquised as the Google logon page where
>>> any credential they enter are collected.
>>> 
>>> Once Google credentials have been collected the malware uses those
>>> credentials to access the contacts and mailbox in order to replicate
>>> the original malicious mailing yet again.  Hence the rapid spread of
>>> the threat.
>>> 
>>> Google has taken actions to mitigate the threat - such as taking down
>>> fraudulent web pages and blocking compromised Gmail accounts.
>>> Nevertheless, Google users have been warned against reflexively
>>> clicking on links to shared documents regardless the apparent source.
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Re: apple remote desktop

[Tim Kilburn]

Simon,

Were you hearing the VO actions through the controlling computer, or were they 
in the same room and thus you were hearing the audio?  If the former, then 
could you give a little more details about how/what you did to accomplish this?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 4, 2017, at 02:22, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Yeahjust been looking at this on an el capitan server and three work stations,

Through the el cap server I was able to use vo through an RDC to another El Cap 
workstation and hear what VO on the remote machine was saying.

So note I was using one el cap work station and through a 10.11.x server I was 
able to remotely connect and control with voiceover another persons El Cap 
workstation.

The only thing I can say is that if it wasn't for the server I couldn't have 
had vo working remotely  

And I've tried it a number of times.


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On Behalf Of mattias jonsson
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 2:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; Tim Kilburn 
Subject: Re: apple remote desktop

osx server app?
where and how to get it?


På 3 maj 2017 18:42:27 Tim Kilburn  skrev:

> Hi,
> 
> I've never tried it with a VPS, but essentially, the answer is "No", 
> with some conditions.  The Mac OS does not pass through the audio from 
> the remote device, thus you're unable to know what is happening on the 
> remote machine.  Yes, ARD will control it just fine, you just won't 
> know what's going on.  If OS X Server is installed on the VPS, then 
> you can administer that Server with the Server app on your local Mac 
> machine, but the initial installation of the Server software on the 
> VPS may require sighted assistance.  There's also much that can be 
> accomplished using ssh and Terminal, but regular GUI control with VO 
> will not work for you.  What seems to happen with ARD and VO commands 
> is that VO will remain in control of the local device and there 
> appears to be no method by which the VO commands can be redirected and 
> therefore passed through to the remote client.
> 
> If someone knows better, I'd love to be enlightened.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 3, 2017, at 09:09, mattias  wrote:
> 
> if i buy a osx vps
> 
> will i be able to administer it from apple remote desktop?
> 
> with voiceover
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Re: heads up, pfishing scam targeting gmail and GoogleDocs

[E.T.]

   I did not even hesitate to trash this email as soon as I saw it. My 
Scam Alert Device sounded immediately.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 5/4/2017 5:44 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi all,

I just wanted to pass this along, since I know there are many gmail
users on list.  I actually got one of these yesterday - it's for real.

Cheers,
Donna


A new malware threat has been spreading rapidly over the past 24 hours
with several instances of the threat reported to CSIT staff.  This
particular threat is a sophisticated phishing scam leveraging Gmail
contacts to replicate itself.

The threat presents itself as an email message notifying the recipient
that a Google Docs document has been shared with them.  The message
appears to come from a contact known to the recipient and includes a
link to the shared document.  If message recipient clicks on the link,
they are taken to a web page disquised as the Google logon page where
any credential they enter are collected.

Once Google credentials have been collected the malware uses those
credentials to access the contacts and mailbox in order to replicate
the original malicious mailing yet again.  Hence the rapid spread of
the threat.

Google has taken actions to mitigate the threat - such as taking down
fraudulent web pages and blocking compromised Gmail accounts.
 Nevertheless, Google users have been warned against reflexively
clicking on links to shared documents regardless the apparent source.


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Re: heads up, pfishing scam targeting gmail and GoogleDocs

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Sharon,

Yes, you are right.  Happily I don't have a gmail account, and thus no access 
to GoogleDocs, so I was OK. :)  But I thought it would be good to let others 
know.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 4, 2017, at 9:09 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
>  the best thing I would say to do is always confirm.
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, and it looks like the email is coming from the sender.  In my case, the 
>> email came from a colleague, so appeared quite credible.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Sharon Hooley >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do they give the sender’s name, as in, “Sharon Hooley has shared a document 
>>> with you”?  If not, that’s definitely a tell-tale sign.  Thanks for the 
>>> warning.
>>> 
 On May 4, 2017, at 6:44 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just wanted to pass this along, since I know there are many gmail users 
 on list.  I actually got one of these yesterday - it's for real.
 
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> A new malware threat has been spreading rapidly over the past 24 hours 
> with several instances of the threat reported to CSIT staff.  This 
> particular threat is a sophisticated phishing scam leveraging Gmail 
> contacts to replicate itself.
>  
> The threat presents itself as an email message notifying the recipient 
> that a Google Docs document has been shared with them.  The message 
> appears to come from a contact known to the recipient and includes a link 
> to the shared document.  If message recipient clicks on the link, they 
> are taken to a web page disquised as the Google logon page where any 
> credential they enter are collected.
>  
> Once Google credentials have been collected the malware uses those 
> credentials to access the contacts and mailbox in order to replicate the 
> original malicious mailing yet again.  Hence the rapid spread of the 
> threat.
>  
> Google has taken actions to mitigate the threat - such as taking down 
> fraudulent web pages and blocking compromised Gmail accounts.  
> Nevertheless, Google users have been warned against reflexively clicking 
> on links to shared documents regardless the apparent source.
 
 
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Re: heads up, pfishing scam targeting gmail and GoogleDocs

[Sharon Hooley]

 the best thing I would say to do is always confirm.

> On May 4, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Yes, and it looks like the email is coming from the sender.  In my case, the 
> email came from a colleague, so appeared quite credible.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On May 4, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Sharon Hooley > > wrote:
>> 
>> Do they give the sender’s name, as in, “Sharon Hooley has shared a document 
>> with you”?  If not, that’s definitely a tell-tale sign.  Thanks for the 
>> warning.
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 6:44 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just wanted to pass this along, since I know there are many gmail users 
>>> on list.  I actually got one of these yesterday - it's for real.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 A new malware threat has been spreading rapidly over the past 24 hours 
 with several instances of the threat reported to CSIT staff.  This 
 particular threat is a sophisticated phishing scam leveraging Gmail 
 contacts to replicate itself.
  
 The threat presents itself as an email message notifying the recipient 
 that a Google Docs document has been shared with them.  The message 
 appears to come from a contact known to the recipient and includes a link 
 to the shared document.  If message recipient clicks on the link, they are 
 taken to a web page disquised as the Google logon page where any 
 credential they enter are collected.
  
 Once Google credentials have been collected the malware uses those 
 credentials to access the contacts and mailbox in order to replicate the 
 original malicious mailing yet again.  Hence the rapid spread of the 
 threat.
  
 Google has taken actions to mitigate the threat - such as taking down 
 fraudulent web pages and blocking compromised Gmail accounts.  
 Nevertheless, Google users have been warned against reflexively clicking 
 on links to shared documents regardless the apparent source.
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Re: heads up, pfishing scam targeting gmail and GoogleDocs

[Donna Goodin]

Yes, and it looks like the email is coming from the sender.  In my case, the 
email came from a colleague, so appeared quite credible.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 4, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> Do they give the sender’s name, as in, “Sharon Hooley has shared a document 
> with you”?  If not, that’s definitely a tell-tale sign.  Thanks for the 
> warning.
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 6:44 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just wanted to pass this along, since I know there are many gmail users on 
>> list.  I actually got one of these yesterday - it's for real.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> A new malware threat has been spreading rapidly over the past 24 hours with 
>>> several instances of the threat reported to CSIT staff.  This particular 
>>> threat is a sophisticated phishing scam leveraging Gmail contacts to 
>>> replicate itself.
>>>  
>>> The threat presents itself as an email message notifying the recipient that 
>>> a Google Docs document has been shared with them.  The message appears to 
>>> come from a contact known to the recipient and includes a link to the 
>>> shared document.  If message recipient clicks on the link, they are taken 
>>> to a web page disquised as the Google logon page where any credential they 
>>> enter are collected.
>>>  
>>> Once Google credentials have been collected the malware uses those 
>>> credentials to access the contacts and mailbox in order to replicate the 
>>> original malicious mailing yet again.  Hence the rapid spread of the threat.
>>>  
>>> Google has taken actions to mitigate the threat - such as taking down 
>>> fraudulent web pages and blocking compromised Gmail accounts.  
>>> Nevertheless, Google users have been warned against reflexively clicking on 
>>> links to shared documents regardless the apparent source.
>> 
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Re: heads up, pfishing scam targeting gmail and GoogleDocs

[Sharon Hooley]

Do they give the sender’s name, as in, “Sharon Hooley has shared a document 
with you”?  If not, that’s definitely a tell-tale sign.  Thanks for the warning.

> On May 4, 2017, at 6:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just wanted to pass this along, since I know there are many gmail users on 
> list.  I actually got one of these yesterday - it's for real.
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> A new malware threat has been spreading rapidly over the past 24 hours with 
>> several instances of the threat reported to CSIT staff.  This particular 
>> threat is a sophisticated phishing scam leveraging Gmail contacts to 
>> replicate itself.
>>  
>> The threat presents itself as an email message notifying the recipient that 
>> a Google Docs document has been shared with them.  The message appears to 
>> come from a contact known to the recipient and includes a link to the shared 
>> document.  If message recipient clicks on the link, they are taken to a web 
>> page disquised as the Google logon page where any credential they enter are 
>> collected.
>>  
>> Once Google credentials have been collected the malware uses those 
>> credentials to access the contacts and mailbox in order to replicate the 
>> original malicious mailing yet again.  Hence the rapid spread of the threat.
>>  
>> Google has taken actions to mitigate the threat - such as taking down 
>> fraudulent web pages and blocking compromised Gmail accounts.  Nevertheless, 
>> Google users have been warned against reflexively clicking on links to 
>> shared documents regardless the apparent source.
> 
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Re: Join Me In Requesting Better VoiceOver Access in the Nike+ Run Club App

[Scott Granados]

Wow, one of Apple’s most visible partners has accessibility issues, not good.  
Count me in for sending the developer a request, on the way over now.

> On May 3, 2017, at 8:54 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Please join me in requesting that the Nike+ Run Club app be made more
> VoiceOver accessible.
> 
> The direct link to the app in the U.S. app store is:
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/nike-run-club/id387771637?mt=8
> 
> Please submit a review in the iTunes App Store, and/or submit feedback via
> Nike's feedback form located at:
> http://help-en-us.nike.com/app/mobile/feedback/r/nrc
> 
> or by either tweeting or sending a direct message to: @NikeSupport.
> 
> The following is the Twitter direct message and App Store review I
> submitted.  Feel free to use any or all of it in your comments:
> 
> [BEGIN REQUEST]:
> Subject:
> Please Increase iOS Nike+ Run Club App Screen Reader Accessibility for the
> Blind and Low Vision
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I fervently request that the developers add better iOS VoiceOver support for
> the blind and low vision.
> 
> Currently, many of the Nike+ Run Club app's buttons and tabs cannot be
> accessed when VoiceOver, Apple's software screen reading solution for the
> blind and low vision, is enabled.  For example, the workout Start button,
> among many others, is not labeled for VoiceOver.  This means that all a
> visually impaired user hears, when focused is placed on the item, is the
> word "button".  This is not useful as the user has no idea as to what
> feature will be accessed by activating the item.  Also, one cannot actually
> stop a workout session when VoiceOver is enabled.  Further, none of the app
> navigation tabs, located near the bottom of the display, is VoiceOver
> accessible.  This means that a user cannot access, for example, her/his
> workout history.
> 
> In a world in which sedentary behavior is the norm, it is extremely
> important that the blind and low vision, along with our sighted
> counterparts, has access to outstanding workout resources such as the Nike+
> Run Club iOS App.
> 
> Thank you for considering my request,
> [END REQUEST]:
> 
> The following is my tweet on this matter:
> 
> [BEGIN TWEET]:
> The #Nike+ #RunClub #iOS app has broken #VoiceOver #accessibility 4 the
> #VisuallyImpaired. Join me N asking @NikeSupport to restore it ASAP.
> [END TWEET]:
> 
> Thank you all for your support on this.
> 
> Mark
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heads up, pfishing scam targeting gmail and GoogleDocs

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I just wanted to pass this along, since I know there are many gmail users on 
list.  I actually got one of these yesterday - it's for real.

Cheers,
Donna

> A new malware threat has been spreading rapidly over the past 24 hours with 
> several instances of the threat reported to CSIT staff.  This particular 
> threat is a sophisticated phishing scam leveraging Gmail contacts to 
> replicate itself.
>  
> The threat presents itself as an email message notifying the recipient that a 
> Google Docs document has been shared with them.  The message appears to come 
> from a contact known to the recipient and includes a link to the shared 
> document.  If message recipient clicks on the link, they are taken to a web 
> page disquised as the Google logon page where any credential they enter are 
> collected.
>  
> Once Google credentials have been collected the malware uses those 
> credentials to access the contacts and mailbox in order to replicate the 
> original malicious mailing yet again.  Hence the rapid spread of the threat.
>  
> Google has taken actions to mitigate the threat - such as taking down 
> fraudulent web pages and blocking compromised Gmail accounts.  Nevertheless, 
> Google users have been warned against reflexively clicking on links to shared 
> documents regardless the apparent source.

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Re: How to prefer IPv6 on the Mac OS X Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

Well, if you’re service provider isn’t doing IPv6 how are you getting IPv6 
connectivity?  Are you tunneling through a tunnel broker like hurricane 
electric?

> On May 4, 2017, at 4:52 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina
> 
> So I thought I'd have a play with IP v6 and oh how difficult that was.
> 
> So enable it on my fritz box and then made sure my servers had IP v6 switched 
> on and DHCP and DNS set to obtain addresses automatically
> And so far no issues.
> 
> If only my service provider did IP v 6  I'd switch ip v4 off, apart from my 
> work place I don't really need it
> 
> And nothing appears to be different so bring it on.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 2:13 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to prefer IPv6 on the Mac OS X Sierra?
> 
> Is IPv6 worth the bother? Well, that depends on what you do, of course.
> 
> If all you do is browse the web and pick up email somewhere, the answer is 
> probably no.
> 
> If your home systems do voip or host any services, including just listening 
> for ssh, there's a solid benefit. And, this benefit is magnified if more than 
> one of your home LAN machines are hosting. My personal example is my work 
> desk where there's a SIP handset that looks to all the world like an ordinary 
> business phone, but is actually a computer connected by cat ethernet cable to 
> my router. I also use a soft SIP client on my main desktop, so I have two 
> phones right there that need to make, and more importantly recieve calls. The 
> recieving is the benefit. On IPv4 you're writing NAT rules. With 6 you forget 
> all about NAT.
> 
> Another example ... When I turned off ssh over 4, my hack attempts dropped to 
> zero, literally. Nowadays I only turn on ssh over 4 on my server, and then 
> only when traveling because I can't be sure of IPv6 access where I travel.
> 
> Another example ... If you want to access files on your home LAN from your 
> mobile while you're out and about, you're going to find it far simpler and 
> far more secure to do that over 6, and not at all over 4.
> 
> So, it depends.
> 
> hth
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> But is it worth while using IP v6 within your own home for instance is it 
>> going to be any benefit to a user?
>> 
>> I know in NZ IP v4 is still in major use but we're a population of 4.5
>> million,
>> 
>> I have thought I might change the home network to IP V6 just to have a play 
>> but need to ensure that RDP and other related services stay active on my 
>> servers so I don't go losing acess and connectivity.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Chavez
>> Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2017 11:20 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How to prefer IPv6 on the Mac OS X Sierra?
>> 
>> Good day,
>> As I'm a System Admin, I, too, prefer IPV6.
>> However, IPV6 depends on the ISP and the IP pool being pulled from.
>> Most ISP's still use IPV4 for backwards compatibility for older devices, 
>> though most modem'/router combo's employe both IPV4 and IPV6 support, but 
>> this IPV6 support usually is disabled until the ISP fully supports it.
>> So it's possible that what you may have done is correct, but it's an ISP 
>> problem.
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Re: Changing SIM card without sighted help

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andrew,

Yes, you can do this without sighted help.
In the box your iPhone came in, there was a small package of documentation with 
a tiny tool tucked just inside. This tool is rectangular with a spike sticking 
out at the bottom.
You need to insert the spike into a hole on the righthand edge of your iPhone 
and press quite hard. A little tray will pop out a short way. This holds the 
SIM card. One corner is cut so that you can’t insert the card the wrong way 
round.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 4 May 2017, at 11:57, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When I first got my iphone SE, a sighted person inserted the SIM card into 
> it.  I just wonder whether it is possible for a totally blind person to 
> remove and insert a SIM card independently?  It is that I want to have the 
> option of swapping my SIM cards at will.  It is an unlocked iphone so I 
> should be able to use whatever SIM card I wish.  Am I correct?
> 
> Also, any tips of how to recognise which way to insert the sIM would be very 
> helpful.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Andrew
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Changing SIM card without sighted help

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

When I first got my iphone SE, a sighted person inserted the SIM card into it.  
I just wonder whether it is possible for a totally blind person to remove and 
insert a SIM card independently?  It is that I want to have the option of 
swapping my SIM cards at will.  It is an unlocked iphone so I should be able to 
use whatever SIM card I wish.  Am I correct?

Also, any tips of how to recognise which way to insert the sIM would be very 
helpful.

Many thanks

Andrew

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RE: How to prefer IPv6 on the Mac OS X Sierra?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Janina 

So I thought I'd have a play with IP v6 and oh how difficult that was.

 So enable it on my fritz box and then made sure my servers had IP v6 switched 
on and DHCP and DNS set to obtain addresses automatically 
 And so far no issues.

 If only my service provider did IP v 6  I'd switch ip v4 off, apart from my 
work place I don't really need it 

 And nothing appears to be different so bring it on.

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Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 2:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to prefer IPv6 on the Mac OS X Sierra?

Is IPv6 worth the bother? Well, that depends on what you do, of course.

If all you do is browse the web and pick up email somewhere, the answer is 
probably no.

If your home systems do voip or host any services, including just listening for 
ssh, there's a solid benefit. And, this benefit is magnified if more than one 
of your home LAN machines are hosting. My personal example is my work desk 
where there's a SIP handset that looks to all the world like an ordinary 
business phone, but is actually a computer connected by cat ethernet cable to 
my router. I also use a soft SIP client on my main desktop, so I have two 
phones right there that need to make, and more importantly recieve calls. The 
recieving is the benefit. On IPv4 you're writing NAT rules. With 6 you forget 
all about NAT.

Another example ... When I turned off ssh over 4, my hack attempts dropped to 
zero, literally. Nowadays I only turn on ssh over 4 on my server, and then only 
when traveling because I can't be sure of IPv6 access where I travel.

Another example ... If you want to access files on your home LAN from your 
mobile while you're out and about, you're going to find it far simpler and far 
more secure to do that over 6, and not at all over 4.

So, it depends.

hth

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> But is it worth while using IP v6 within your own home for instance is it 
> going to be any benefit to a user?
> 
> I know in NZ IP v4 is still in major use but we're a population of 4.5 
> million,
> 
> I have thought I might change the home network to IP V6 just to have a play 
> but need to ensure that RDP and other related services stay active on my 
> servers so I don't go losing acess and connectivity.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Chavez
> Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2017 11:20 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to prefer IPv6 on the Mac OS X Sierra?
> 
> Good day,
> As I'm a System Admin, I, too, prefer IPV6.
> However, IPV6 depends on the ISP and the IP pool being pulled from.
> Most ISP's still use IPV4 for backwards compatibility for older devices, 
> though most modem'/router combo's employe both IPV4 and IPV6 support, but 
> this IPV6 support usually is disabled until the ISP fully supports it.
> So it's possible that what you may have done is correct, but it's an ISP 
> problem.
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RE: apple remote desktop

[Simon Fogarty]

What is the VPS you be speaking of?

I assume some sort of virtual system



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Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 4:42 AM
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Subject: Re: apple remote desktop

Hi,

I've never tried it with a VPS, but essentially, the answer is "No", with some 
conditions.  The Mac OS does not pass through the audio from the remote device, 
thus you're unable to know what is happening on the remote machine.  Yes, ARD 
will control it just fine, you just won't know what's going on.  If OS X Server 
is installed on the VPS, then you can administer that Server with the Server 
app on your local Mac machine, but the initial installation of the Server 
software on the VPS may require sighted assistance.  There's also much that can 
be accomplished using ssh and Terminal, but regular GUI control with VO will 
not work for you.  What seems to happen with ARD and VO commands is that VO 
will remain in control of the local device and there appears to be no method by 
which the VO commands can be redirected and therefore passed through to the 
remote client.

If someone knows better, I'd love to be enlightened.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 3, 2017, at 09:09, mattias  wrote:

if i buy a osx vps

will i be able to administer it from apple remote desktop?

with voiceover

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RE: apple remote desktop

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeahjust been looking at this on an el capitan server and three work stations,

 Through the el cap server I was able to use vo through an RDC to another El 
Cap workstation and hear what VO on the remote machine was saying.

So note I was using one el cap work station and through a 10.11.x server I was 
able to remotely connect and control with voiceover another persons El Cap 
workstation.

 The only thing I can say is that if it wasn't for the server I couldn't have 
had vo working remotely  

And I've tried it a number of times.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of mattias jonsson
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 2:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; Tim Kilburn 
Subject: Re: apple remote desktop

osx server app?
where and how to get it?


På 3 maj 2017 18:42:27 Tim Kilburn  skrev:

> Hi,
>
> I've never tried it with a VPS, but essentially, the answer is "No", 
> with some conditions.  The Mac OS does not pass through the audio from 
> the remote device, thus you're unable to know what is happening on the 
> remote machine.  Yes, ARD will control it just fine, you just won't 
> know what's going on.  If OS X Server is installed on the VPS, then 
> you can administer that Server with the Server app on your local Mac 
> machine, but the initial installation of the Server software on the 
> VPS may require sighted assistance.  There's also much that can be 
> accomplished using ssh and Terminal, but regular GUI control with VO 
> will not work for you.  What seems to happen with ARD and VO commands 
> is that VO will remain in control of the local device and there 
> appears to be no method by which the VO commands can be redirected and 
> therefore passed through to the remote client.
>
> If someone knows better, I'd love to be enlightened.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On May 3, 2017, at 09:09, mattias  wrote:
>
> if i buy a osx vps
>
> will i be able to administer it from apple remote desktop?
>
> with voiceover
>
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