Re: How to prefer IPv6 on the Mac OS X Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

I smell a business opportunity.  Some googling seems ti indicate the provider 
you listed and someone called flowroute.  THere’s tons of documentation on the 
advantages of SIP over IPv6 and lots of people convincing you to do it, 
especially on the enterprise side but no providers offering the service.:)


Interesting your comments on fail2ban.  Incredible PBX comes with both V4 and 
V6 rules included and it looked to me like fail2ban could update either but 
your unix mojo is strong so I’ll differ to you on that subject.

> On May 11, 2017, at 11:24 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Scott:
> 
> Just a quick point to your email ...
> 
> I believe fail2ban only works with IPv4.
> 
> 
> Personally, if I could disable listening for incoming SIP on Ipv4, I'd
> do so in a heartbeat. But for reasons I don't understand, the world of
> SIP to PSTN gateways is entirely IPv4. Therefore, I have no choice but
> to listen for SIP on 4, since I do want to be able to call to, and
> recieve calls from, the PSTN.
> 
> 
> Caveat to the above ... There is one provider that supports SIP over 6,
> namely:
> 
> http://callwithus.com
> 
> Friends who know their stuff have had good experience with them--clearly
> on a personal level. However, they don't support LNP, which kills a move
> to Call with Us for me as I don't want to reconfigure with all new phone
> numbers.
> 
> Every few months I cast about for a SIP gateway service supporting 6,
> but I've been disappointed to date.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> Ok, few points here.
>> 
>> First, as a network engineer, everyone I work with and know prefers V6 by a 
>> long shot.  The finding of individual addresses is no harder on V6 than V4, 
>> you can display your Mac table the same way.  The routers usually have 
>> separate V4 and V6 RIBS as well so your V4 doesn’t mix with your V6 and your 
>> MPLS VPN routes are yet again separate etc.  You use the same BGP and 
>> filtering mechanisms as V4 so that translates pretty nicely.
>>  One thing you can do in the notation is all the 0 fields can be 
>> represented with 2 :: marks.  Something like 
>> 2001:4860:4860:::::1001 can be expressed as 
>> 2001:4860:4860::1001.  The zeros need to be in contiguous blocks however and 
>> you can only do the substitution once per address block.
>>  The auto configuration feature is nice also.  You don’t necessarily 
>> need to run a DHCP server to have machines self address which is very nice.
>>  I’ve never had problems banning IP addresses in V6 form but I’ve used 
>> more advanced methods like RTBH using URPF loose mode and changing the next 
>> hop to null 0 by using BGP communities or with BGP flow spec where you craft 
>> a firewall filter based on the specific address and publish that to your 
>> edge routers as part of the BGP session.
>> 
>> 
>> Fail2Ban is quite good.  My understanding is though it works with IP tables 
>> so you’d use both.  When fail2ban jails an IP it drops an entry in the 
>> specific section of the IP tables rules.
>> 
>> Admittedly though, I am a network engineer first and a decent unix guy 
>> second but my strongest skills are around routing and switching so I could 
>> be a little off with the systems level stuff.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 11, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good day list,
>>> Most System Admin's, myself included, prefer IPV4 because it's a lot of 
>>> what most provider's support, plus tracking down machine's that utilize 
>>> IPV4 tends to be less stress on us.
>>> As far as IPV6 masks, they come in the form of 
>>> letter:number:lettter:number, so banning them can be quite difficult, if 
>>> not next to impossible, in certain situations.
>>> I do both Network and server administration and have been doing so for at 
>>> least 10 to 15 year's, and I can say that by using either IPTables and/or 
>>> Fail2ban, they both have strength's and weaknesses, though if it were me, I 
>>> like fail2ban myself. As IPTables gets the job done, it's rarely updated at 
>>> least on CentOS, while Fail2ban happens to be updated quite a bit more 
>>> often. On cPanel server's, especially, Fail2ban ties into IP tables while 
>>> also providing it's own level of protection which I find to be nice.
>>> If I had a client server I, too, could pull a fail2ban config file, but I 
>>> don't have access right now to a server.
>>> 
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Re: How to prefer IPv6 on the Mac OS X Sierra?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Scott:

Just a quick point to your email ...

I believe fail2ban only works with IPv4.


Personally, if I could disable listening for incoming SIP on Ipv4, I'd
do so in a heartbeat. But for reasons I don't understand, the world of
SIP to PSTN gateways is entirely IPv4. Therefore, I have no choice but
to listen for SIP on 4, since I do want to be able to call to, and
recieve calls from, the PSTN.


Caveat to the above ... There is one provider that supports SIP over 6,
namely:

http://callwithus.com

Friends who know their stuff have had good experience with them--clearly
on a personal level. However, they don't support LNP, which kills a move
to Call with Us for me as I don't want to reconfigure with all new phone
numbers.

Every few months I cast about for a SIP gateway service supporting 6,
but I've been disappointed to date.

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> Ok, few points here.
> 
> First, as a network engineer, everyone I work with and know prefers V6 by a 
> long shot.  The finding of individual addresses is no harder on V6 than V4, 
> you can display your Mac table the same way.  The routers usually have 
> separate V4 and V6 RIBS as well so your V4 doesn’t mix with your V6 and your 
> MPLS VPN routes are yet again separate etc.  You use the same BGP and 
> filtering mechanisms as V4 so that translates pretty nicely.
>   One thing you can do in the notation is all the 0 fields can be 
> represented with 2 :: marks.  Something like 
> 2001:4860:4860:::::1001 can be expressed as 
> 2001:4860:4860::1001.  The zeros need to be in contiguous blocks however and 
> you can only do the substitution once per address block.
>   The auto configuration feature is nice also.  You don’t necessarily 
> need to run a DHCP server to have machines self address which is very nice.
>   I’ve never had problems banning IP addresses in V6 form but I’ve used 
> more advanced methods like RTBH using URPF loose mode and changing the next 
> hop to null 0 by using BGP communities or with BGP flow spec where you craft 
> a firewall filter based on the specific address and publish that to your edge 
> routers as part of the BGP session.
> 
> 
> Fail2Ban is quite good.  My understanding is though it works with IP tables 
> so you’d use both.  When fail2ban jails an IP it drops an entry in the 
> specific section of the IP tables rules.
> 
> Admittedly though, I am a network engineer first and a decent unix guy second 
> but my strongest skills are around routing and switching so I could be a 
> little off with the systems level stuff.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On May 11, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
> > 
> > Good day list,
> > Most System Admin's, myself included, prefer IPV4 because it's a lot of 
> > what most provider's support, plus tracking down machine's that utilize 
> > IPV4 tends to be less stress on us.
> > As far as IPV6 masks, they come in the form of 
> > letter:number:lettter:number, so banning them can be quite difficult, if 
> > not next to impossible, in certain situations.
> > I do both Network and server administration and have been doing so for at 
> > least 10 to 15 year's, and I can say that by using either IPTables and/or 
> > Fail2ban, they both have strength's and weaknesses, though if it were me, I 
> > like fail2ban myself. As IPTables gets the job done, it's rarely updated at 
> > least on CentOS, while Fail2ban happens to be updated quite a bit more 
> > often. On cPanel server's, especially, Fail2ban ties into IP tables while 
> > also providing it's own level of protection which I find to be nice.
> > If I had a client server I, too, could pull a fail2ban config file, but I 
> > don't have access right now to a server.
> > 
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Re: How to prefer IPv6 on the Mac OS X Sierra?

[Scott Granados]

Ok, few points here.

First, as a network engineer, everyone I work with and know prefers V6 by a 
long shot.  The finding of individual addresses is no harder on V6 than V4, you 
can display your Mac table the same way.  The routers usually have separate V4 
and V6 RIBS as well so your V4 doesn’t mix with your V6 and your MPLS VPN 
routes are yet again separate etc.  You use the same BGP and filtering 
mechanisms as V4 so that translates pretty nicely.
One thing you can do in the notation is all the 0 fields can be 
represented with 2 :: marks.  Something like 
2001:4860:4860:::::1001 can be expressed as 
2001:4860:4860::1001.  The zeros need to be in contiguous blocks however and 
you can only do the substitution once per address block.
The auto configuration feature is nice also.  You don’t necessarily 
need to run a DHCP server to have machines self address which is very nice.
I’ve never had problems banning IP addresses in V6 form but I’ve used 
more advanced methods like RTBH using URPF loose mode and changing the next hop 
to null 0 by using BGP communities or with BGP flow spec where you craft a 
firewall filter based on the specific address and publish that to your edge 
routers as part of the BGP session.


Fail2Ban is quite good.  My understanding is though it works with IP tables so 
you’d use both.  When fail2ban jails an IP it drops an entry in the specific 
section of the IP tables rules.

Admittedly though, I am a network engineer first and a decent unix guy second 
but my strongest skills are around routing and switching so I could be a little 
off with the systems level stuff.





> On May 11, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
> 
> Good day list,
> Most System Admin's, myself included, prefer IPV4 because it's a lot of what 
> most provider's support, plus tracking down machine's that utilize IPV4 tends 
> to be less stress on us.
> As far as IPV6 masks, they come in the form of letter:number:lettter:number, 
> so banning them can be quite difficult, if not next to impossible, in certain 
> situations.
> I do both Network and server administration and have been doing so for at 
> least 10 to 15 year's, and I can say that by using either IPTables and/or 
> Fail2ban, they both have strength's and weaknesses, though if it were me, I 
> like fail2ban myself. As IPTables gets the job done, it's rarely updated at 
> least on CentOS, while Fail2ban happens to be updated quite a bit more often. 
> On cPanel server's, especially, Fail2ban ties into IP tables while also 
> providing it's own level of protection which I find to be nice.
> If I had a client server I, too, could pull a fail2ban config file, but I 
> don't have access right now to a server.
> 
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Selecting an application in audio hijack

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Hello,
I’m trying to record audio from a single application but can’t figure out how 
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Re: voiceover speech in words per minute?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i am sure if you ask apple they can tell you.

On 5/11/17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> Hi folks,
> There is a research from the WAI interest group,
> www.w3c.org/wai
> Who is doing a presentation on the ability of users to process  using
> screen readers at often very fast words per minute.
> He desires including all platforms, with Voiceover rates only set in
> percentages.
> Anyone have  a good source for how those percentages translate into wpm in
> voiceover on the mac or in Ios?
> Thanks,
> Karen
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Uber app question

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi guys:
I took an Uber trip this morning, and I couldn't figure out how to have
someone follow my trip. I was able to choose the people who I wanted to
follow, but couldn't find a done or a send button. There was just a back
button. Any ideas on how to do this?

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Re: Is it still possible to delete someone from a message thread?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi John,

That's what I remember, too.  But I don't see it any more.  I wonder if it's 
been removed.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 11, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> iPhone or Mac? I believe at the bottom of the messages on the iPhone there is 
> a more actions button. Generally for this list, I swipe down past the current 
> message and then swipe back until I find the more actions button. You might 
> want to test this a bit before killing somebody unintentionally. ( Sorry, I 
> just needed to use that pun. In old Net News days one could maintain a "kill" 
> file of threads or or people you didn't want to see on the group you were 
> viewing.)
> 
> 
> 
> On 11 May 2017 at 15:10, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone know if you can still do this?  If so, how?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Is it still possible to delete someone from a message thread?

[Jonathan Cohn]

iPhone or Mac? I believe at the bottom of the messages on the iPhone there
is a more actions button. Generally for this list, I swipe down past the
current message and then swipe back until I find the more actions button.
You might want to test this a bit before killing somebody unintentionally.
( Sorry, I just needed to use that pun. In old Net News days one could
maintain a "kill" file of threads or or people you didn't want to see on
the group you were viewing.)



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>
> Does anyone know if you can still do this?  If so, how?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Is it still possible to delete someone from a message thread?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Does anyone know if you can still do this?  If so, how?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: How to prefer IPv6 on the Mac OS X Sierra?

[Daniel Chavez]

Good day list,
Most System Admin's, myself included, prefer IPV4 because it's a lot of what 
most provider's support, plus tracking down machine's that utilize IPV4 tends 
to be less stress on us.
As far as IPV6 masks, they come in the form of letter:number:lettter:number, so 
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while Fail2ban happens to be updated quite a bit more often. On cPanel 
server's, especially, Fail2ban ties into IP tables while also providing it's 
own level of protection which I find to be nice.
If I had a client server I, too, could pull a fail2ban config file, but I don't 
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voiceover speech in words per minute?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
There is a research from the WAI interest group,
www.w3c.org/wai
Who is doing a presentation on the ability of users to process  using 
screen readers at often very fast words per minute.
He desires including all platforms, with Voiceover rates only set in 
percentages.
Anyone have  a good source for how those percentages translate into wpm in 
voiceover on the mac or in Ios?

Thanks,
Karen

Re: How to prefer IPv6 on the Mac OS X Sierra?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Scott Granados writes:
> Sure, I’m using the one included with incredible pbx.  I can attach one to a 
> message though for you.
> 


I think that would be helpful, actually. Until I really know what I'm
doing, I find it easier to tweak a config that's known to work, than to
go from scratch. So, when convenient, that would be most appreciated.

My direct email in my signature.

Thanks, Scott!

Janina

> > On May 6, 2017, at 12:52 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Scott:
> > 
> > You wouldn't happen to have a working fail2ban config for blocking SIP
> > from specific ip that you'd be willing to share?
> > 
> > I never quite got fail2ban working, and just iptables the offending ip.
> > I don't think I'm losing anything significant this way, but it's not a
> > clean solution.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> It also quiets the logs quite a bit. I always used fail2ban when using 
> >> IPv4 but I just turned off IPV4 listening on SSHD  on my servers and it’s 
> >> so much cleaner.  So far I’m really starting to enjoy IPv6 even though I’m 
> >> not sure how to do the masks yet.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On May 5, 2017, at 10:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Congrats, Simon! Big job, huh? 
> >>> 
> >>> Yes, the Apple IPv6 implementation is quite good, and should really be
> >>> uneventful when deployed. I wouldn't turn off 4 for now, though, except
> >>> in specific circumstances such as ssh server. Turning off 4 for incoming
> >>> ssh will frustrate the script kiddies and that's certainly a good thing.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Simon Fogarty writes:
>  Hi Janina
>  
>  So I thought I'd have a play with IP v6 and oh how difficult that was.
>  
>  So enable it on my fritz box and then made sure my servers had IP v6 
>  switched on and DHCP and DNS set to obtain addresses automatically
>  And so far no issues.
>  
>  If only my service provider did IP v 6  I'd switch ip v4 off, apart from 
>  my work place I don't really need it
>  
>  And nothing appears to be different so bring it on.
>  
>  -Original Message-
>  From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>  Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 2:13 AM
>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  Subject: Re: How to prefer IPv6 on the Mac OS X Sierra?
>  
>  Is IPv6 worth the bother? Well, that depends on what you do, of course.
>  
>  If all you do is browse the web and pick up email somewhere, the answer 
>  is probably no.
>  
>  If your home systems do voip or host any services, including just 
>  listening for ssh, there's a solid benefit. And, this benefit is 
>  magnified if more than one of your home LAN machines are hosting. My 
>  personal example is my work desk where there's a SIP handset that looks 
>  to all the world like an ordinary business phone, but is actually a 
>  computer connected by cat ethernet cable to my router. I also use a soft 
>  SIP client on my main desktop, so I have two phones right there that 
>  need to make, and more importantly recieve calls. The recieving is the 
>  benefit. On IPv4 you're writing NAT rules. With 6 you forget all about 
>  NAT.
>  
>  Another example ... When I turned off ssh over 4, my hack attempts 
>  dropped to zero, literally. Nowadays I only turn on ssh over 4 on my 
>  server, and then only when traveling because I can't be sure of IPv6 
>  access where I travel.
>  
>  Another example ... If you want to access files on your home LAN from 
>  your mobile while you're out and about, you're going to find it far 
>  simpler and far more secure to do that over 6, and not at all over 4.
>  
>  So, it depends.
>  
>  hth
>  
>  Janina
>  
>  Simon Fogarty writes:
> > But is it worth while using IP v6 within your own home for instance is 
> > it going to be any benefit to a user?
> > 
> > I know in NZ IP v4 is still in major use but we're a population of 4.5
> > million,
> > 
> > I have thought I might change the home network to IP V6 just to have a 
> > play but need to ensure that RDP and other related services stay active 
> > on my servers so I don't go losing acess and connectivity.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Chavez
> > Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2017 11:20 PM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: How to prefer IPv6 on the Mac OS X Sierra?
> > 
> > Good day,
> > As I'm a System Admin, I, too, prefer IPV6.
> > However, IPV6 depends on the ISP and the IP pool being pulled from.
> > Most 

Re: Sharing Files Between my mac and the VM ware Fusion

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

What? When did virtualbox get its UI accessible? I had stopped checking 
and assumed it would never be, beyond doing everything from terminal.


CB

On 5/11/17 5:04 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Anders,

  By VB I mean virtual box,

  It's current version is working great with voiceover on sierra.

  I've been setting up a couple of windows VM's for my work place,

  These are housed on an external drive which has the base image of the systems 
we use  and then I migrate that image to our main iMacs

  Approx. 6 currently that I'm imaging
  I'll do my own mac mini tomorrow

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 10:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sharing Files Between my mac and the VM ware Fusion

Hi!
DO you use vmware or virtual box?
How can you use vb with voiceover?
/A

10 maj 2017 kl. 09:52 skrev Simon Fogarty :

Or just setup a shared folder between yoru fusion vm and the mac host.

There should be an option in the Fusion system to setup a shared drive

I've just done this with virtual box on a windows 7 vm and sierra host

I used the shared folder on the mac os as the host end and then specified a new 
folder name that vb created on the windows 7 desktop

I then put things in to either and they show up on the other.

Very simple
Sorry I can't tell you exatly where this is in fusion but it is there.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 7:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sharing Files Between my mac and the VM ware Fusion

You may wish to use dropbox on both mac and windows to share files or google 
drive.

On 9 May 2017, at 22:12, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello all:

I need to share some files between my mac and my VMware, they are on my mac, 
and i need to open them with my Windows on Vm.
how please?

Thanks in advance
,

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Re: Navigating Inside the VMware

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello:

Ok I will read it, and hope it will fix my problem
But what is  making me crazy right now,  some Keyboard short cuts for
windows are interfering with the Short cuts on mac.
Like, selecting multiple items with Control-space on windows, makes
the Vm crazy, the start-m or Command-m, Control-left or right errows,
Control-ult-n.
these Short cuts are very important  for me on widnows, because I am
using the VMware only for a program called Sibelius, and Sibelius rely
on short cuts.

Is there a way to make the VMware forget the mac shortcuts while using it?

Thanks in advance



On 5/11/17, E.T.  wrote:
> Hi Remy,
> See if this will help you regarding keyboard input.
>
> 
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 5/11/2017 5:11 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>> All are ok  now except that, some times, all keys are not working,
>> even the Unity, full screen and all things are dembed inside the view
>> menu, I tried pressing the scape or anything and the problem did not
>> solved
>> is there a solution?
>>
>> On 5/11/17, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> Thanks for clearifing.
>>> However for me, I must disable the Vo while working on the VMware,
>>> because the only reason for me tha ti have the VMware, is that , I am
>>> using the Sibelius to write down the music notes, and I have a short
>>> cut that interfere with the short cut for Vo.
>>>
>>> againthanks for making me understand
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/11/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 And I must admit that I have found command f5 to turn off vo and then
 work
 in your vm seems to work great and infact I find I've got more control
 in
 the vm and lesss interruption from the VO side of the host.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
 Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 3:20 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Navigating Inside the VMware

 I would suggest working with VMware a great deal more just to
 understand
 better how it works and explore the settings in depth.

 I myself do this. Its not foolproof, sometimes I execute the wrong
 shortcuts. When I load my VM, giving it time to fully load, I press
 Cmd-G
 (to Grab the keyboard from the Mac). Then I enter full screen with
 Cmd-Ctrl-P. When I am done, I enter Cmd-Ctrl-P again to get out of full
 screen.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 5/10/2017 7:20 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> Don't know now, but what is thee best for us?
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 10, 2017, at 3:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>> Remy,
>>   What view are you in? Full screen, single view, unity?
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the
>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your
>> mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>>> On 5/10/2017 1:23 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> The tap did not do anything, even shift tap or errows,  all produce
>>> the sound
>>>
>>>
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On May 10, 2017, at 5:15 AM, Scott Granados
 
 wrote:

 This means you’re not inside the VM, tab over to the unity button
 and
 then ta over and back, you should enter the VM.


> On May 9, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Ramy Moustafa
> 
> wrote:
>
> Hello:
> I have my MacBook pro 2015, Running Sierra,  I’m also running the
> VMware fusion v8.5.6, Each time i open the Vm, I can navigate
> using
> my
> jaws screen reader, but some times, when moving by arrows or
> anything,
> i can only here the Boom the tmakes that there is something wrong.
> and the only way is to quit the VMware and reopening it again. why

Re: Navigating Inside the VMware

[E.T.]

Hi Remy,
   See if this will help you regarding keyboard input.



From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 5/11/2017 5:11 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello:

All are ok  now except that, some times, all keys are not working,
even the Unity, full screen and all things are dembed inside the view
menu, I tried pressing the scape or anything and the problem did not
solved
is there a solution?

On 5/11/17, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello:

Thanks for clearifing.
However for me, I must disable the Vo while working on the VMware,
because the only reason for me tha ti have the VMware, is that , I am
using the Sibelius to write down the music notes, and I have a short
cut that interfere with the short cut for Vo.

againthanks for making me understand


On 5/11/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

And I must admit that I have found command f5 to turn off vo and then
work
in your vm seems to work great and infact I find I've got more control in
the vm and lesss interruption from the VO side of the host.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 3:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Navigating Inside the VMware

I would suggest working with VMware a great deal more just to
understand
better how it works and explore the settings in depth.

I myself do this. Its not foolproof, sometimes I execute the wrong
shortcuts. When I load my VM, giving it time to fully load, I press Cmd-G
(to Grab the keyboard from the Mac). Then I enter full screen with
Cmd-Ctrl-P. When I am done, I enter Cmd-Ctrl-P again to get out of full
screen.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 5/10/2017 7:20 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Don't know now, but what is thee best for us?

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone


On May 10, 2017, at 3:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Remy,
  What view are you in? Full screen, single view, unity?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the
world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your
mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 5/10/2017 1:23 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
The tap did not do anything, even shift tap or errows,  all produce
the sound


Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone


On May 10, 2017, at 5:15 AM, Scott Granados

wrote:

This means you’re not inside the VM, tab over to the unity button and
then ta over and back, you should enter the VM.



On May 9, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Ramy Moustafa

wrote:

Hello:
I have my MacBook pro 2015, Running Sierra,  I’m also running the
VMware fusion v8.5.6, Each time i open the Vm, I can navigate using
my
jaws screen reader, but some times, when moving by arrows or
anything,
i can only here the Boom the tmakes that there is something wrong.
and the only way is to quit the VMware and reopening it again. why
is
this? and how can i avoid this?

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Re: Issue with low sound in all types of calls on iPhone

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Have you tried turning up the volume during the calls themselves.  The iPhone 
volume and the call volume are independent of each other.  That is, you could 
have the volume while doing VO kinds of things on your iPhone set quite low, 
but the call volume set very high.  So, when you answer the call, the volume of 
the other person is loud even though you had everything quite quiet on the 
iPhone.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 11, 2017, at 05:39, David Hole  wrote:

Hi.

I have an issue that seems to have no fix on the internet. I've been googleing 
for months, but no solution...

When in a call, both normal mobile call, Facebook Messenger and so on, the 
volume is very low, so in noisy areas, I can't hear what the other person is 
saying.
To be able to hear something I need to have the phone on speaker... But also 
when using the phone on speaker, it's a bit low.

Someone here who have experienced similar issues, and maybe have a solution for 
me?
I've off course set the volume to max, and that didn't help.

I have iPhone 6S with latest iOS 10.3.1.


Thanks much in advance.
Best regards David

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Re: Navigating Inside the VMware

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello:

All are ok  now except that, some times, all keys are not working,
even the Unity, full screen and all things are dembed inside the view
menu, I tried pressing the scape or anything and the problem did not
solved
is there a solution?

On 5/11/17, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Thanks for clearifing.
> However for me, I must disable the Vo while working on the VMware,
> because the only reason for me tha ti have the VMware, is that , I am
> using the Sibelius to write down the music notes, and I have a short
> cut that interfere with the short cut for Vo.
>
> againthanks for making me understand
>
>
> On 5/11/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> And I must admit that I have found command f5 to turn off vo and then
>> work
>> in your vm seems to work great and infact I find I've got more control in
>> the vm and lesss interruption from the VO side of the host.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 3:20 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Navigating Inside the VMware
>>
>> I would suggest working with VMware a great deal more just to
>> understand
>> better how it works and explore the settings in depth.
>>
>> I myself do this. Its not foolproof, sometimes I execute the wrong
>> shortcuts. When I load my VM, giving it time to fully load, I press Cmd-G
>> (to Grab the keyboard from the Mac). Then I enter full screen with
>> Cmd-Ctrl-P. When I am done, I enter Cmd-Ctrl-P again to get out of full
>> screen.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 5/10/2017 7:20 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> Don't know now, but what is thee best for us?
>>>
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On May 10, 2017, at 3:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 Remy,
   What view are you in? Full screen, single view, unity?

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the
 world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your
 mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

> On 5/10/2017 1:23 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> The tap did not do anything, even shift tap or errows,  all produce
> the sound
>
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 10, 2017, at 5:15 AM, Scott Granados
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This means you’re not inside the VM, tab over to the unity button and
>> then ta over and back, you should enter the VM.
>>
>>
>>> On May 9, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>> I have my MacBook pro 2015, Running Sierra,  I’m also running the
>>> VMware fusion v8.5.6, Each time i open the Vm, I can navigate using
>>> my
>>> jaws screen reader, but some times, when moving by arrows or
>>> anything,
>>> i can only here the Boom the tmakes that there is something wrong.
>>> and the only way is to quit the VMware and reopening it again. why
>>> is
>>> this? and how can i avoid this?
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Issue with low sound in all types of calls on iPhone

[David Hole]

Hi.

I have an issue that seems to have no fix on the internet. I've been 
googleing for months, but no solution...

When in a call, both normal mobile call, Facebook Messenger and so on, the 
volume is very low, so in noisy areas, I can't hear what the other person 
is saying.
To be able to hear something I need to have the phone on speaker... But 
also when using the phone on speaker, it's a bit low.

Someone here who have experienced similar issues, and maybe have a solution 
for me?
I've off course set the volume to max, and that didn't help.

I have iPhone 6S with latest iOS 10.3.1.


Thanks much in advance.
Best regards David

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Re: Navigating Inside the VMware

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello:

Thanks for clearifing.
However for me, I must disable the Vo while working on the VMware,
because the only reason for me tha ti have the VMware, is that , I am
using the Sibelius to write down the music notes, and I have a short
cut that interfere with the short cut for Vo.

againthanks for making me understand


On 5/11/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> And I must admit that I have found command f5 to turn off vo and then work
> in your vm seems to work great and infact I find I've got more control in
> the vm and lesss interruption from the VO side of the host.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 3:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Navigating Inside the VMware
>
> I would suggest working with VMware a great deal more just to understand
> better how it works and explore the settings in depth.
>
> I myself do this. Its not foolproof, sometimes I execute the wrong
> shortcuts. When I load my VM, giving it time to fully load, I press Cmd-G
> (to Grab the keyboard from the Mac). Then I enter full screen with
> Cmd-Ctrl-P. When I am done, I enter Cmd-Ctrl-P again to get out of full
> screen.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 5/10/2017 7:20 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Don't know now, but what is thee best for us?
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 10, 2017, at 3:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>>
>>> Remy,
>>>   What view are you in? Full screen, single view, unity?
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the
>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your
>>> mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
 On 5/10/2017 1:23 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 The tap did not do anything, even shift tap or errows,  all produce
 the sound


 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

> On May 10, 2017, at 5:15 AM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
>
> This means you’re not inside the VM, tab over to the unity button and
> then ta over and back, you should enter the VM.
>
>
>> On May 9, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello:
>> I have my MacBook pro 2015, Running Sierra,  I’m also running the
>> VMware fusion v8.5.6, Each time i open the Vm, I can navigate using my
>> jaws screen reader, but some times, when moving by arrows or anything,
>> i can only here the Boom the tmakes that there is something wrong.
>> and the only way is to quit the VMware and reopening it again. why is
>> this? and how can i avoid this?
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Re: Sharing Files Between my mac and the VM ware Fusion

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks all Members, all are working now.
the only thing is that, I didn't install the VMware alone, I took it
when I bought the MacBook pro.
is there a detailed podcast on how to install it?



On 5/11/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> Probably does but I use the GUI it's working great for me in 90% of
> situations, the other 10% is just a crazy config realted issue that I have
> been getting sighted assistance with to make sure.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 10:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sharing Files Between my mac and the VM ware Fusion
>
> Anders, VBox has a command line mode that I think most blind users work
> with.
>
>> On May 10, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>> DO you use vmware or virtual box?
>> How can you use vb with voiceover?
>> /A
>>> 10 maj 2017 kl. 09:52 skrev Simon Fogarty :
>>>
>>> Or just setup a shared folder between yoru fusion vm and the mac host.
>>>
>>> There should be an option in the Fusion system to setup a shared drive
>>>
>>> I've just done this with virtual box on a windows 7 vm and sierra host
>>>
>>> I used the shared folder on the mac os as the host end and then specified
>>> a new folder name that vb created on the windows 7 desktop
>>>
>>> I then put things in to either and they show up on the other.
>>>
>>> Very simple
>>> Sorry I can't tell you exatly where this is in fusion but it is there.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 7:27 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Sharing Files Between my mac and the VM ware Fusion
>>>
>>> You may wish to use dropbox on both mac and windows to share files or
>>> google drive.
 On 9 May 2017, at 22:12, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 Hello all:

 I need to share some files between my mac and my VMware, they are on my
 mac, and i need to open them with my Windows on Vm.
 how please?

 Thanks in advance
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RE: Sharing Files Between my mac and the VM ware Fusion

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Scott,
Probably does but I use the GUI it's working great for me in 90% of situations, 
the other 10% is just a crazy config realted issue that I have been getting 
sighted assistance with to make sure.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 10:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sharing Files Between my mac and the VM ware Fusion

Anders, VBox has a command line mode that I think most blind users work with.

> On May 10, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> DO you use vmware or virtual box?
> How can you use vb with voiceover?
> /A
>> 10 maj 2017 kl. 09:52 skrev Simon Fogarty :
>> 
>> Or just setup a shared folder between yoru fusion vm and the mac host.
>> 
>> There should be an option in the Fusion system to setup a shared drive
>> 
>> I've just done this with virtual box on a windows 7 vm and sierra host
>> 
>> I used the shared folder on the mac os as the host end and then specified a 
>> new folder name that vb created on the windows 7 desktop
>> 
>> I then put things in to either and they show up on the other.
>> 
>> Very simple
>> Sorry I can't tell you exatly where this is in fusion but it is there.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 7:27 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Sharing Files Between my mac and the VM ware Fusion
>> 
>> You may wish to use dropbox on both mac and windows to share files or google 
>> drive.
>>> On 9 May 2017, at 22:12, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> 
>>> I need to share some files between my mac and my VMware, they are on my 
>>> mac, and i need to open them with my Windows on Vm.
>>> how please?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> ,
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RE: Sharing Files Between my mac and the VM ware Fusion

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Anders,

 By VB I mean virtual box,

 It's current version is working great with voiceover on sierra.

 I've been setting up a couple of windows VM's for my work place,

 These are housed on an external drive which has the base image of the systems 
we use  and then I migrate that image to our main iMacs 

 Approx. 6 currently that I'm imaging 
 I'll do my own mac mini tomorrow 

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On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 10:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sharing Files Between my mac and the VM ware Fusion

Hi!
DO you use vmware or virtual box?
How can you use vb with voiceover?
/A
> 10 maj 2017 kl. 09:52 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> Or just setup a shared folder between yoru fusion vm and the mac host.
> 
> There should be an option in the Fusion system to setup a shared drive 
> 
> I've just done this with virtual box on a windows 7 vm and sierra host 
> 
> I used the shared folder on the mac os as the host end and then specified a 
> new folder name that vb created on the windows 7 desktop 
> 
> I then put things in to either and they show up on the other.
> 
> Very simple 
> Sorry I can't tell you exatly where this is in fusion but it is there.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 7:27 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sharing Files Between my mac and the VM ware Fusion
> 
> You may wish to use dropbox on both mac and windows to share files or google 
> drive.
>> On 9 May 2017, at 22:12, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> I need to share some files between my mac and my VMware, they are on my mac, 
>> and i need to open them with my Windows on Vm.
>> how please?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> , 
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RE: Navigating Inside the VMware

[Simon Fogarty]

And I must admit that I have found command f5 to turn off vo and then work in 
your vm seems to work great and infact I find I've got more control in the vm 
and lesss interruption from the VO side of the host.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 3:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Navigating Inside the VMware

I would suggest working with VMware a great deal more just to understand 
better how it works and explore the settings in depth.

I myself do this. Its not foolproof, sometimes I execute the wrong 
shortcuts. When I load my VM, giving it time to fully load, I press Cmd-G (to 
Grab the keyboard from the Mac). Then I enter full screen with Cmd-Ctrl-P. When 
I am done, I enter Cmd-Ctrl-P again to get out of full screen.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 5/10/2017 7:20 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> Don't know now, but what is thee best for us?
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 10, 2017, at 3:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>> Remy,
>>   What view are you in? Full screen, single view, unity?
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>> mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>>> On 5/10/2017 1:23 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> The tap did not do anything, even shift tap or errows,  all produce 
>>> the sound
>>>
>>>
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On May 10, 2017, at 5:15 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:

 This means you’re not inside the VM, tab over to the unity button and then 
 ta over and back, you should enter the VM.


> On May 9, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Ramy Moustafa  
> wrote:
>
> Hello:
> I have my MacBook pro 2015, Running Sierra,  I’m also running the VMware 
> fusion v8.5.6, Each time i open the Vm, I can navigate using my jaws 
> screen reader, but some times, when moving by arrows or anything, i can 
> only here the Boom the tmakes that there is something wrong.
> and the only way is to quit the VMware and reopening it again. why is 
> this? and how can i avoid this?
>
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