RE: High Sierra install question

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey guys,

 I'm not hearing this echo,
On 10/25/2017 11:16 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi ET,
> 
> There appears to be an echo on this list :).
>
Could it be your hats are on to tight?

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2017 7:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: High Sierra install question

Yes! Scary ain't it? :)

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/25/2017 11:16 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi ET,
> 
> There appears to be an echo on this list :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 12:14, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>If your drive is an SSD, its automatic. Spinning and Fusion drives will 
> not get APFS.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 10/25/2017 11:11 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
>> Hello,
>> If I upgrade my mac to high sierra, will I get the new apple filesystem?
>> Or, do I need to reformat the drive with the new filesystem before doing the 
>> install.
>> Thanks
>> Chris
> 

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RE: High Sierra install question

[Simon Fogarty]

High sierra does the hard work for you.

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On Behalf Of Chris Moore
Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2017 7:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: High Sierra install question

Hello,
If I upgrade my mac to high sierra, will I get the new apple filesystem?  
Or, do I need to reformat the drive with the new filesystem before doing the 
install.

Thanks
Chris

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RE: trouble with voiceover keystrokes

[Simon Fogarty]

Try using command q or command w,
 Vo w and vo q aren't the correct key presses.

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On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes
Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2017 6:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: trouble with voiceover keystrokes

I am trying to help my friend with his mac. The problem we are having is that 
VO+w does not close a window. Likewise, VO+q does not close an app. Is this 
something that happens with a new machine out of the box? Do I need to use the 
function key in conjunction?

Kristeen

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RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Simon Fogarty]

Theoretically yes but not when there are no drivers installed to the system at 
all.

 You could try the old option of trying to install windows drivers at the setup 
stage of the system to allow the USB Braille device to possibly work,

But it's a guess on iif it will work correctly for you.
But if you can get the USB working then you could try connecting a USB audio 
device like headphones or a USB sound card and use Narrator.

I have done this with my my windows servers.

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On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2017 4:02 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

Hi!
Does the usb ports works under the windows installation?
If so he might be able to use a usb headset and or a braille display with usb 
connection and narrator.
/A

> 24 okt. 2017 kl. 10:26 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> Yeah as the installer goes through and installs windows the final part of the 
> installation is the installation of the Bootcamp / apple drivers for the 
> windows installation.
> 
> Once this is done and the finished button is complete the machine restarts 
> and you can then start up narrator to do other things such as install jaws or 
> NVDA etc.
> 
> I've not been able to setup an installer that didn't need human 
> interaction but I'm guessing tha tit could be done But I've always had 
> sighted assistance.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 9:18 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Subject: Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
> 
> h,
> thanks a lot.
> Certainly some things to consider.
> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the silent 
> portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is installed?
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Good points
>> 
>> Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via 
>> the installation.
>> 
>> Bad points,
>> You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's not 
>> a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
>> 
>> As for installer of boot camp,
>> Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts the 
>> machine into the windows installation setup..
>> 
>> The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as 
>> you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it 
>> will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install 
>> it all from the USB once things are up and working.
>> 
>> Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  there 
>> is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device installed 
>> or working within the windows partition.
>> 
>> Still it's my preferred option.
>> 
>> SF-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
>> Marshall
>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
>> 
>> hey all,
>> Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
>> difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using 
>> bootcamp?
>> I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
>> i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with 
>> the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
>> The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
>> similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
>> parameters and sit back?
>> any help would be great.
>> 
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RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

No issues,

I have to admit I spend more time in windows on my MBA than I do in Mac OS 
these days as I'm using a bit of powershell and active directory for work.

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On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2017 3:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

This is great info, Simon.  

Thank you.

Mark


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 3:04 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

Hi

By default in bootcamp it's both command keys,

 So you get the function key on the left and then the normal ctrl, option or 
alt and then command is the windows key,  Space bar and then the right command 
key is windows key again, then alt / option again.

And as a real kicker, if you hold the function and shift keys on the left down 
and hit F10 you get the context menu key.

Otherwise it's pretty much  a windows qwerty keyboard Hope that helps.
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On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2017 7:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

Hi,

I've been thinking about installing Windows on my Mac Book Pro via Boot camp.

Question:

Which key on the MBP keyboard will be the Windows key in Boot camp?  

I really like the new Narrator but it requires extensive use of the Windows 
Key, I believe.

Thanks much,

Mark

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On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

Good points 

Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via the 
installation.

Bad points,
You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's not a 
vm running windows within the mac OS system .

 As for installer of boot camp,
 Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts the 
machine into the windows installation setup..

The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as you 
have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it will 
download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install it all 
from the USB once things are up and working.

 Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  there 
is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device installed or 
working within the windows partition.

 Still it's my preferred option.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

hey all,
Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using bootcamp?
I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with the 
latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
parameters and sit back?
any help would be great.

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Preview and PDF's

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

In the promotional info about High Sierra, it was mentioned about improvements 
to the Preview app, especially with respect to VO.  One specific item I've just 
notice is that Preview and VO now work together in fillable PDF forms.  The 
editable fields are now accessible and announced by VO when navigating the 
form.  You can either use VO navigation or tab between the fields.  You must 
first be in a field before the tab navigation works, but that's normal 
behaviour.  If the developer of the form is lazy and does not properly label 
the edit fields, it could cause us frustration knowing what field relates to 
what label, but that's also expected.

Try it out some time, if you dare :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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Re: You Tube downloader?

[Andrew Lamanche]

I’ve never used any other youtube downloader/convertor.

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:55 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Andrew,
>   How does WinX HD Video Converter compare with Downie if you have used both?
> 
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> 
> On 10/24/2017 5:37 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
>> WinX HD Video Converter for Mac.app
> 
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Re: trouble with voiceover keystrokes

[Mike Arrigo]

You use command+w to close a window and command+q to quit an 
application, these are not voiceover keystrokes at all.

Original message:
I am trying to help my friend with his mac. The problem we are having 
is that VO+w does not close a window. Likewise, VO+q does not close an 
app. Is this something that happens with a new machine out of the box? 
Do I need to use the function key in conjunction?



Kristeen



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Re: High Sierra install question

[Mike Arrigo]

If you have a solid state drive it will automatically be converted to 
the new system. Regular hard drives will remain as they are, whether 
you reformat makes no difference. Having said that, I always prefer to 
reformat and do a clean install of any new major operating system release.

Original message:

Hello,
If I upgrade my mac to high sierra, will I get the new apple filesystem?
Or, do I need to reformat the drive with the new filesystem before 
doing the install.



Thanks
Chris



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Re: You Tube downloader?

[jeff `greene]

Hi E.T.
I use an app called softorino youtube converter. You bring it up and
have a blank edit field. You paste the web address of a youtube video
in the field then tab to 1080p 720p etc. At the bottom of the screen
is a save button. The app is not free, I got it in a bundle with
Waltr, both apps are developed by the same company. Actually, I
believe the app is now called S2 because they totally redid it.
Hope this helps! Jeff


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> How does WinX HD Video Converter compare with Downie if you have
> used both?
>
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Re: High Sierra install question

[Tim Kilburn]

It is, is, is, is.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 25, 2017, at 12:17, E.T.  wrote:

  Yes! Scary ain't it? :)

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On 10/25/2017 11:16 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi ET,
> There appears to be an echo on this list :).
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 12:14, E.T.  wrote:
>   If your drive is an SSD, its automatic. Spinning and Fusion drives will not 
> get APFS.
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> On 10/25/2017 11:11 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
>> Hello,
>> If I upgrade my mac to high sierra, will I get the new apple filesystem?
>> Or, do I need to reformat the drive with the new filesystem before doing the 
>> install.
>> Thanks
>> Chris

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Re: High Sierra install question

[E.T.]

   Yes! Scary ain't it? :)

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On 10/25/2017 11:16 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi ET,

There appears to be an echo on this list :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 25, 2017, at 12:14, E.T.  wrote:

   If your drive is an SSD, its automatic. Spinning and Fusion drives will not 
get APFS.

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On 10/25/2017 11:11 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

Hello,
If I upgrade my mac to high sierra, will I get the new apple filesystem?
Or, do I need to reformat the drive with the new filesystem before doing the 
install.
Thanks
Chris




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Re: High Sierra install question

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi ET,

There appears to be an echo on this list :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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On Oct 25, 2017, at 12:14, E.T.  wrote:

  If your drive is an SSD, its automatic. Spinning and Fusion drives will not 
get APFS.

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On 10/25/2017 11:11 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
> Hello,
> If I upgrade my mac to high sierra, will I get the new apple filesystem?
> Or, do I need to reformat the drive with the new filesystem before doing the 
> install.
> Thanks
> Chris

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Re: High Sierra install question

[E.T.]

   If your drive is an SSD, its automatic. Spinning and Fusion drives 
will not get APFS.


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On 10/25/2017 11:11 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

Hello,
If I upgrade my mac to high sierra, will I get the new apple filesystem?
Or, do I need to reformat the drive with the new filesystem before doing the 
install.

Thanks
Chris



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Re: High Sierra install question

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Hi,

If your Mac has the correct hardware to accept the new APFS, then it will be 
done automatically by the installer.  Otherwise, you're file system will be 
left alone.  Your Mac must have an SSD, not a spinner or a Fusion drive, just 
an SSD at this point.

Later...

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Hello,
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Or, do I need to reformat the drive with the new filesystem before doing the 
install.

Thanks
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High Sierra install question

[Chris Moore]

Hello,
If I upgrade my mac to high sierra, will I get the new apple filesystem?  
Or, do I need to reformat the drive with the new filesystem before doing the 
install.

Thanks
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Re: My mistake!!!

[E.T.]

   Smiles. Happens t5o most of us.

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On 10/25/2017 10:51 AM, Kristeen Hughes wrote:

I just asked about Vo+w and vo+q and then realized that I had a brain melt. I


now remember it’s the command key that I want. Don’t everyone tell me how crazy 
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Re: You Tube downloader?

[E.T.]

Andrew,
   How does WinX HD Video Converter compare with Downie if you have 
used both?


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On 10/24/2017 5:37 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

WinX HD Video Converter for Mac.app


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My mistake!!!

[Kristeen Hughes]

I just asked about Vo+w and vo+q and then realized that I had a brain melt. I 


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I am at once! Sorry for the odd and unanswerable question.

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Re: trouble with voiceover keystrokes

[John Panarese]

  You need to use command-w or command-q. Those are MacOS commands and not 
VoiceOver specific.


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> I am trying to help my friend with his mac. The problem we are having is that 
> VO+w does not close a window. Likewise, VO+q does not close an app. Is this 
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Re: trouble with voiceover keystrokes

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   How about command-w and command-q respectively?

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On 10/25/2017 10:46 AM, Kristeen Hughes wrote:

I am trying to help my friend with his mac. The problem we are having is that 
VO+w does not close a window. Likewise, VO+q does not close an app. Is this 
something that happens with a new machine out of the box? Do I need to use the 
function key in conjunction?

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trouble with voiceover keystrokes

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I am trying to help my friend with his mac. The problem we are having is that 
VO+w does not close a window. Likewise, VO+q does not close an app. Is this 
something that happens with a new machine out of the box? Do I need to use the 
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Kristeen

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Re: remotely controlling another Mac

[Kristeen Hughes]

I thank all of you for your informative posts.

Kristeen


> On Oct 23, 2017, at 4:03 PM, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Apple Remote Desktop does exist. There’s been tons of mixed reviews on it. If 
> you’ve got the command-line experience SSH is what I’d recommend. 
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>> 
>> A friend of mine just purchased a new iMac. He would like me to help him set 
>> it up and configure it, and I am happy to do that. I was wondering, however, 
>> if there was a way for me to connect to his Mac at all The Way one JAWS user 
>> could connect with another JAWS user using tandem mode in the PC world.
>> 
>> Thank you for any information you can provide. 
>> 
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Re: iTunes Downloads

[E.T.]

Hi Tim,
   I tried again after updating my credit card once again, that might 
have been the fix.


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On 10/24/2017 9:12 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Are they just taking forever to download, or did they not even start?  If the 
latter, look under the TV Shows pane, see if they are listed in your available 
shows.  If they are, you should be able to bring up the Contextual menu and 
start the download from there.  If it's the former, it could just be a 
localized issue.  I've not heard anything system wide as a problem.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 24, 2017, at 21:24, E.T.  wrote:

   Anyone having trouble downloading new content purchased from iTunes on the 
Mac? I bought (I think) a couple TV shows a few hours ago and still no 
downloads.

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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Then i guess you can install Linux with speech too.
I have to try this on my Old mac mini.
I wont mess with my Macbook Air.
/A

> 24 okt. 2017 kl. 15:29 skrev Aleeha Dudley :
> 
> Actually,  with the Windows 10 Creators update, one can now install Windows 
> with Bootcamp completely independently and will have speech during the 
> Windows setup screens. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> speaking of this, can you use that talking windows installer with boot camp?
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 4:17 AM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> h,
>>> thanks a lot.
>>> Certainly some things to consider.
>>> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the silent 
>>> portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is installed?
>>> 
 On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Good points 
 
 Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via 
 the installation.
 
 Bad points,
 You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's 
 not a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
 
 As for installer of boot camp,
 Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts 
 the machine into the windows installation setup..
 
 The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as 
 you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it 
 will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install 
 it all from the USB once things are up and working.
 
 Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  
 there is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device 
 installed or working within the windows partition.
 
 Still it's my preferred option.
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
 Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
 To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
 
 hey all,
 Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
 difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using 
 bootcamp?
 I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
 i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but 
 with the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from 
 windows.
 The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have 
 a similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
 parameters and sit back?
 any help would be great.
 
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Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that is running iOS 10.x. Why not?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I've been seeing all your replies Kevin.  Yes, replying to the mail message in 
the thread should send it off to us.  I notice that you have a gMail account.  
Google has it set that you are not sent a copy of a message that you posted to 
a list.  So, the rest of us see your messages, you just usually won't see the 
ones that you've sent yourself.  Some folks read messages differently and 
respond right away without verifying if an answer or resolution has been 
reached.  It's possible that it's has to do with the way they organize their 
eMail messages, or could be something else, I'm not sure.  In any case, your 
messages were making it to the list.

Later...


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On Oct 25, 2017, at 09:06, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:

I had tried to reply to this by e-mail.  I suspect those replies don't make it 
here.  My problem was solved when i discovered that my iPhone 7 drew too much 
power to be connected to my Mac mini through the USB port on the right hand 
side of my USB cabled QWERTY keyboard.  Connecting it to one of the USB ports 
on the back of my Mac mini restored the kind of connectivity to which I had 
been accustomed and all my transfers now work.  Sure wish I had thought of that 
before upgrading to iOS11 on my phone.  the phone is wonky with VO now.  

Incidentally, shouldn't one be able to reply to thread via e-mail instead of 
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Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that is running iOS 10.x. Why not?

[Kevin Gibbs]

I had tried to reply to this by e-mail.  I suspect those replies don't make 
it here.  My problem was solved when i discovered that my iPhone 7 drew too 
much power to be connected to my Mac mini through the USB port on the right 
hand side of my USB cabled QWERTY keyboard.  Connecting it to one of the 
USB ports on the back of my Mac mini restored the kind of connectivity to 
which I had been accustomed and all my transfers now work.  Sure wish I had 
thought of that before upgrading to iOS11 on my phone.  the phone is wonky 
with VO now.  

Incidentally, shouldn't one be able to reply to thread via e-mail instead 
of having to log in here?

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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Does the usb ports works under the windows installation?
If so he might be able to use a usb headset and or a braille display with usb 
connection and narrator.
/A

> 24 okt. 2017 kl. 10:26 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> Yeah as the installer goes through and installs windows the final part of the 
> installation is the installation of the Bootcamp / apple drivers for the 
> windows installation.
> 
> Once this is done and the finished button is complete the machine restarts 
> and you can then start up narrator to do other things such as install jaws or 
> NVDA etc.
> 
> I've not been able to setup an installer that didn't need human interaction 
> but I'm guessing tha tit could be done 
> But I've always had sighted assistance.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 9:18 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
> 
> h,
> thanks a lot.
> Certainly some things to consider.
> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the silent 
> portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is installed?
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Good points 
>> 
>> Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via 
>> the installation.
>> 
>> Bad points,
>> You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's not 
>> a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
>> 
>> As for installer of boot camp,
>> Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts the 
>> machine into the windows installation setup..
>> 
>> The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as 
>> you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it 
>> will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install 
>> it all from the USB once things are up and working.
>> 
>> Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  there 
>> is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device installed 
>> or working within the windows partition.
>> 
>> Still it's my preferred option.
>> 
>> SF-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
>> 
>> hey all,
>> Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
>> difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using 
>> bootcamp?
>> I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
>> i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with 
>> the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
>> The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
>> similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
>> parameters and sit back?
>> any help would be great.
>> 
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RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[M. Taylor]

This is great info, Simon.  

Thank you.

Mark


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 3:04 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

Hi

By default in bootcamp it's both command keys,

 So you get the function key on the left and then the normal ctrl, option or 
alt and then command is the windows key,  Space bar and then the right command 
key is windows key again, then alt / option again.

And as a real kicker, if you hold the function and shift keys on the left down 
and hit F10 you get the context menu key.

Otherwise it's pretty much  a windows qwerty keyboard Hope that helps.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2017 7:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

Hi,

I've been thinking about installing Windows on my Mac Book Pro via Boot camp.

Question:

Which key on the MBP keyboard will be the Windows key in Boot camp?  

I really like the new Narrator but it requires extensive use of the Windows 
Key, I believe.

Thanks much,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

Good points 

Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via the 
installation.

Bad points,
You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's not a 
vm running windows within the mac OS system .

 As for installer of boot camp,
 Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts the 
machine into the windows installation setup..

The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as you 
have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it will 
download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install it all 
from the USB once things are up and working.

 Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  there 
is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device installed or 
working within the windows partition.

 Still it's my preferred option.

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On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

hey all,
Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using bootcamp?
I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with the 
latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
parameters and sit back?
any help would be great.

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Re: remotely controlling another Mac

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Anders,

I've found that FaceTime must have a method by which it can mute the computer 
audio.  I tried this sort of thing and was unable to hear the VO or other 
computer audio.  It's entirely possible that I wasn't doing things exactly 
correctly, but I couldn't get it to work through FaceTime.  Now, you did hit 
the nail on the head though.  No matter what tool you're using, Team Viewer and 
Skype, JAWS in Tandem mode, Apple Remote Desktop and whatever, if we're at the 
initial setup of the computer, none of these methods will work.  At the initial 
setup, none of these items have been installed, so remote access is not an 
option.  If the request is to assist with setup of other sorts of things after 
the initial setup action, then there are possibilities, but they also require 
some effort to get up and running.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 25, 2017, at 08:45, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Wouldn’t facetime be a better sollution?
But you have to have an apple ID first on your friends computer.
/A

> 24 okt. 2017 kl. 07:25 skrev Anne Robertson :
> 
> Hello Kristeen,
> 
> Yes, you can do this. You need to install TeamViewer and Skype on both 
> machines, the full TeamViewer on yours, and TeamViewerQS on your friend’s. 
> Your friend will have to give you his TeamViewer ID and password and you can 
> then control his machine using VoiceOver, as long as you turn VoiceOver off 
> on your own computer. Skype allows you to hear the VoiceOver feedback from 
> your friend’s machine.
> Using the free version of TeamViewer, each connection can last up to 3 hours. 
> It then disconnects automatically.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23 Oct 2017, at 22:02, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>> 
>> A friend of mine just purchased a new iMac. He would like me to help him set 
>> it up and configure it, and I am happy to do that. I was wondering, however, 
>> if there was a way for me to connect to his Mac at all The Way one JAWS user 
>> could connect with another JAWS user using tandem mode in the PC world.
>> 
>> Thank you for any information you can provide. 
>> 
>> kristeen
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Re: remotely controlling another Mac

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Wouldn’t facetime be a better sollution?
But you have to have an apple ID first on your friends computer.
/A

> 24 okt. 2017 kl. 07:25 skrev Anne Robertson :
> 
> Hello Kristeen,
> 
> Yes, you can do this. You need to install TeamViewer and Skype on both 
> machines, the full TeamViewer on yours, and TeamViewerQS on your friend’s. 
> Your friend will have to give you his TeamViewer ID and password and you can 
> then control his machine using VoiceOver, as long as you turn VoiceOver off 
> on your own computer. Skype allows you to hear the VoiceOver feedback from 
> your friend’s machine.
> Using the free version of TeamViewer, each connection can last up to 3 hours. 
> It then disconnects automatically.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23 Oct 2017, at 22:02, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>> 
>> A friend of mine just purchased a new iMac. He would like me to help him set 
>> it up and configure it, and I am happy to do that. I was wondering, however, 
>> if there was a way for me to connect to his Mac at all The Way one JAWS user 
>> could connect with another JAWS user using tandem mode in the PC world.
>> 
>> Thank you for any information you can provide. 
>> 
>> kristeen
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RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi

By default in bootcamp it's both command keys,

 So you get the function key on the left and then the normal ctrl, option or 
alt and then command is the windows key,
 Space bar and then the right command key is windows key again, then alt / 
option again.

And as a real kicker, if you hold the function and shift keys on the left down 
and hit F10 you get the context menu key.

Otherwise it's pretty much  a windows qwerty keyboard
Hope that helps.
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On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2017 7:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

Hi,

I've been thinking about installing Windows on my Mac Book Pro via Boot camp.

Question:

Which key on the MBP keyboard will be the Windows key in Boot camp?  

I really like the new Narrator but it requires extensive use of the Windows 
Key, I believe.

Thanks much,

Mark

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Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

Good points 

Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via the 
installation.

Bad points,
You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's not a 
vm running windows within the mac OS system .

 As for installer of boot camp,
 Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts the 
machine into the windows installation setup..

The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as you 
have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it will 
download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install it all 
from the USB once things are up and working.

 Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  there 
is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device installed or 
working within the windows partition.

 Still it's my preferred option.

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Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

hey all,
Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using bootcamp?
I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with the 
latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
parameters and sit back?
any help would be great.

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Re: Conversation threads in messages app on the mac and iPhone after latest updates

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Tim,

Yes, that’s the kind of clean install I had done with High Sierra, and I wish I 
hadn’t now.  For some reason I’m not really pleased with how things are 
running, especially iMessage app and some other minor things.  So perhaps I was 
too zealous.  I will take the leaf out of your book in the future.

Andrew

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 9:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> Yes, there are a lot of opinions out there regarding clean installs.  Some 
> swear by them, others not so much.  I'm in the "not so much" category.  If 
> things are running normally in the earlier OS, then I would say that the 
> clean install is unnecessary.  If you're experiencing problems, then by all 
> means a clean install may fix some of those issues.  One of the problems that 
> I find with people doing clean installs, is that they don't really do a true 
> clean install.  The true clean install requires you to reinstall all apps, 
> reconfigure all network settings, re-create user accounts etc.  Using any 
> migration tools negates the possible benefits of the clean install.  I've not 
> performed a clean install since probably 10.5 or so which includes computer 
> changes, HD to SSD changes etc.  All runs smooth as silk as far as I can tell.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 14:44, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hello Tim,
> 
> I’ve taken the steps you’ve kindly recommended.  Let’s see what’s going to 
> happen.  I did a clean install of High Sierra, hoping that I’m going to have 
> fewer problems.  I’m not sure whether I did the right thing or not.  A lot of 
> hassle.  I probably won’t do another clean install again.
> 
> Thanks again for your generous response as always.
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Andrew,
>> 
>> I am not seeing this on my iPhone 6S running the latest iOS release of iOS 
>> 11.  It sounds like the Messages app is not properly coordinating with the 
>> Contacts app.  I would go into your iCloud settings and verify that Contacts 
>> is enabled and also verify that some of these specific contacts are 
>> displaying properly in the Contacts app.  If things look normal when 
>> checking these items, first thing to always do is restart your iPhone.  If 
>> you've done that already, or if nothing improves, try turning off Contacts 
>> in iCloud then turning it back on.  I've found that the best thing to do 
>> when turning it off, is to turn it off, then back out of Settings, then 
>> re-open Settings and the iCloud pane and to finally re-enable syncing of 
>> your contacts.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 03:19, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Just want to confirm from other users whether they are seeing this strange 
>> behaviour: in Messages app on the mac and on the iPhone, previously 
>> conversations were threaded by the name of the sender obtained from 
>> contacts.  After I’ve updated to High Sierra and to iOS 11, conversations 
>> are not always threaded at all and the sender name is missing, replaced by 
>> their phone number.  This is a bit of a nuisance.  I’ve searched for a 
>> setting to adjust but I can’t find it.  Might it be a bug?  The strange 
>> thing is that if I compose a message first and choose a particular contact 
>> from Contacts, then the message appears with the name of the person I have 
>> sent to but if they reply to my message, their reply is not a part of the 
>> thread but appears separately and it is their telephone number that appears 
>> in the list of messages so you can’t tell who the message is from unless you 
>> read it.
>> 
>> I’m also having trouble deleting messages.  When I choose to delete a 
>> message via the action menu, Messages app still reports this message.  Nor 
>> does the status of the message changes when I’ve read it.  Is this something 
>> you are noticing as well?
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that is running iOS 10.x. Why not?

[E.T.]

Simon?
   Is this not a rush to judgement?  All Apple has done is remove 
ability to handle iOS apps in iTunes 12.7. The other types of content 
have not been impacted. That includes audiobooks.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/24/2017 9:59 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi,

This fills me with no confidence,
  I have thousands of audio books and from what your saying I'm not goig to be 
able to easily put them on my iPod.

  Thanks apple you screw us over again.

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Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2017 6:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Fwd: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that is 
running iOS 10.x. Why not?


Guys,

Subject says it all.  Updated iTunes to latest version.  I know that apps and 
music are now divorced.  Have not yet updated ipHone 7 to iOS 11, or mid 2010 
Mac mini to from Sierra to High Sierra.  Want to avoid doing that for  a while.

Just added a few CDs to my iTunes library and wanted to add them to my phone by 
syncing with cable.  Unfortunately, iTunes will not activate the sync process 
the way it always did.

In the past, I had issues that were solved by disconnecting my Skype USB camera 
before attempting a cable sync or backup with iTunes.  This doesn’t work now.  
In fact, even my USB full QWERTY keyboard won’t work unless the iPhone is 
disconnected.  As near as I can tell, the only imaginable reason for this lack 
of operability must lie in the fact that iTunes 12x doesn’t like iOS 10.  Will 
upgrading to iOS11 solve this problem?  More to the point, will I also have to 
upgrade my mid 2010 Mac mini to High Sierra?  That’s something I really am not 
interested in doing until I absolutely must.  If, for some reason, this ancient 
box won’t tolerate High Sierra, I need to know that, too.

Best,
Kevin





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Re: Latency when browsing large web pages with High Sierra and VoiceOver?

[Jürgen Fleger]

OK, your hardware shouldn’t be to bad. My iMac uses 16 GB RAM.
Did you connect a screen to your Mac Mini?


> Am 25.10.2017 um 07:14 schrieb Vic  >:
> 
> Cool, I guess you are lucky then!
> It's true that I'm on the 2012 Mac mini, but it's a Intel Core I7 quad-core 
> CPU with 8 MB of RAM. I don't anticipate VoiceOver needing this much power to 
> zip through web pages.
> Don't know... Cleaned up caches with 
> Onyx, but no go...
> 
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 12:33:00 AM UTC-7, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
> Just tried it, no latency here on this web side on my iMac 2014 with Safari 
> 11 in High Sierra. I even holt down the VO keys and the right arrow key which 
> actually makes no sense but even then no latency.
> Jürgen
> 
> 
>> Am 24.10.2017 um 07:13 schrieb Vic >:
>> 
>> Hmmm, viewing this thread in Google Groups on the web, 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/macvisionaries/7n5jMosoJE4 
>> 
>> produces a pretty significant lag for me when VO+arrowing quickly through 
>> the page.
>> How about you? :)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 11:06:11 AM UTC-7, anders wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Not having this issue so far.
>> Have you cleaned out cache and such things for a while?
>> You can do this with an app called onyx.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 23 okt. 2017 kl. 08:01 skrev Vic >:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> Am I dreaming this up or there is actually a significant delay when moving 
>>> through large web pages with VO nav keys, CTRL+OPTION+arrows?
>>> I am noticing that, if the page is simple, VoiceOver seems to be behaving 
>>> quite well. However, as soon as the page gets large or has more dynamic 
>>> content, VoiceOver gets very very slow.
>>> 
>>> What do others notice?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> Victor
>>> 
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RE: Conversation threads in messages app on the mac and iPhone after latest updates

[M. Taylor]

Tim,

I agree with you 1000%.  (smile)

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Conversation threads in messages app on the mac and iPhone after 
latest updates

Hi Andrew,

Yes, there are a lot of opinions out there regarding clean installs.  Some 
swear by them, others not so much.  I'm in the "not so much" category.  If 
things are running normally in the earlier OS, then I would say that the clean 
install is unnecessary.  If you're experiencing problems, then by all means a 
clean install may fix some of those issues.  One of the problems that I find 
with people doing clean installs, is that they don't really do a true clean 
install.  The true clean install requires you to reinstall all apps, 
reconfigure all network settings, re-create user accounts etc.  Using any 
migration tools negates the possible benefits of the clean install.  I've not 
performed a clean install since probably 10.5 or so which includes computer 
changes, HD to SSD changes etc.  All runs smooth as silk as far as I can tell.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 24, 2017, at 14:44, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Hello Tim,

I’ve taken the steps you’ve kindly recommended.  Let’s see what’s going to 
happen.  I did a clean install of High Sierra, hoping that I’m going to have 
fewer problems.  I’m not sure whether I did the right thing or not.  A lot of 
hassle.  I probably won’t do another clean install again.

Thanks again for your generous response as always.

Andrew

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> I am not seeing this on my iPhone 6S running the latest iOS release of iOS 
> 11.  It sounds like the Messages app is not properly coordinating with the 
> Contacts app.  I would go into your iCloud settings and verify that Contacts 
> is enabled and also verify that some of these specific contacts are 
> displaying properly in the Contacts app.  If things look normal when checking 
> these items, first thing to always do is restart your iPhone.  If you've done 
> that already, or if nothing improves, try turning off Contacts in iCloud then 
> turning it back on.  I've found that the best thing to do when turning it 
> off, is to turn it off, then back out of Settings, then re-open Settings and 
> the iCloud pane and to finally re-enable syncing of your contacts.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 03:19, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Just want to confirm from other users whether they are seeing this strange 
> behaviour: in Messages app on the mac and on the iPhone, previously 
> conversations were threaded by the name of the sender obtained from contacts. 
>  After I’ve updated to High Sierra and to iOS 11, conversations are not 
> always threaded at all and the sender name is missing, replaced by their 
> phone number.  This is a bit of a nuisance.  I’ve searched for a setting to 
> adjust but I can’t find it.  Might it be a bug?  The strange thing is that if 
> I compose a message first and choose a particular contact from Contacts, then 
> the message appears with the name of the person I have sent to but if they 
> reply to my message, their reply is not a part of the thread but appears 
> separately and it is their telephone number that appears in the list of 
> messages so you can’t tell who the message is from unless you read it.
> 
> I’m also having trouble deleting messages.  When I choose to delete a message 
> via the action menu, Messages app still reports this message.  Nor does the 
> status of the message changes when I’ve read it.  Is this something you are 
> noticing as well?
> 
> Andrew
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RE: iTunes Radio Stations

[M. Taylor]

Good point, Kawal.

Mark

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On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:18 PM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: Re: iTunes Radio Stations

That answers your question Mark.  It asked you to subscribe to Apple music 
which means then you can't create a radio station without subscribing to a 
streaming service as far as I'm concerned then!

Kawal.

> On 24 Oct 2017, at 00:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Is it still possible to create new iTunes radio stations if one does 
> not subscribe to Apple Music?
> 
> I attempted to create a new radio station in the iOS 11 Music app, but 
> was unable to do so without first agreeing to subscribe to the Apple 
> Music streaming service.
> 
> All replies welcomed.
> 
> Mark
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RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[M. Taylor]

Hi,

I've been thinking about installing Windows on my Mac Book Pro via Boot camp.

Question:

Which key on the MBP keyboard will be the Windows key in Boot camp?  

I really like the new Narrator but it requires extensive use of the Windows 
Key, I believe.

Thanks much,

Mark

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On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

Good points 

Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via the 
installation.

Bad points,
You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's not a 
vm running windows within the mac OS system .

 As for installer of boot camp,
 Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts the 
machine into the windows installation setup..

The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as you 
have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it will 
download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install it all 
from the USB once things are up and working.

 Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  there 
is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device installed or 
working within the windows partition.

 Still it's my preferred option.

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On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

hey all,
Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using bootcamp?
I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with the 
latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
parameters and sit back?
any help would be great.

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