RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[myguidedogis]

Are you promoting yourself or another Mark?  LOL.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: November 10, 2017 7:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hello Eileen,

You are so going to love your new iPHone 10.  It really is an amazing piece of 
technology.  

Be sure to keep us posted on how you get on with it, when it arrives.

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 5:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hi Mark, 
 
I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at the 
8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse & 
pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in 
silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And even 
though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot of 
scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability will 
help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a phone. I 
never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love my cell 
phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have to last me 
longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 
years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is in good 
condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once! 
 
I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I get 
the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my phone and 
my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the necessary 
accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
 
Enjoy your new 8 plus.
 
Eileen
 
From: M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
 
Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to go 
ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I do 
not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display 
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty fast 
on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I 
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series 
launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used to 
be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after the 
carrier-branded models.

I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10 is 
not yet available in the US.

Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card 
removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of Apple 
for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at some 
point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for iPhone, I 
think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a three-course 
meal, for that matter.  (smile)

I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
protector.   

I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6 plus 
so no added expense, there.

I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  

As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup to 
iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  

Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
I'm feeling chatty (smile).

Until Next Time,

Mark

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Re: iPhone x and stylus

[David Chittenden]

Yes, any stylus which works with capacitive touch screen displays should work 
with iPhones. The Apple Pencil is specifically designed to work with the iPad 
Pro.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Nov 2017, at 07:24, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Morning folks,
>  
> Just a crazy question here as I’m pretty sure the answer is not a chance,
>  
> I’m looking at some ipHone x wallet cases and one I’ve found has a stylus  
> with it,
>  
> Correct me if I’m wrong  but the iPhone x or any other version of the iPHone 
> can’t work with a stylus  
> I thought that was only the iPad pro devices,
>  
> Or am I missing something here?
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Re: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Glad you got a better unit.  I felt strongly from your description of what you 
were doing that you were hooking it up right but just had a bad unit.


Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Nov 10, 2017, at 7:04 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon, et al:
> 
> Well, as it turns out, I had a bad adapter.  
> 
> I simply took the unit into the Apple Store, along with my receipt of course, 
> and they swapped it out.
> 
> Before I left the shopping center, I tested it and it works beautifully.
> 
> Simon, you can purchase these adapters from Amazon but I purchased mine from 
> the Apple Store.
> 
> As to your question, no, Apple does not prevent third-party manufacturers 
> from making certain Apple accessories.  Apple sells many Belkin products.
> 
> Thank you all for your feedback on this.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 12:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Crazy but could apple have something in the IOS to stop these cables working?
> 
> I thought they did something similar a few years ago to stop non certified 
> products being used.
> 
> And if not where do I get one of these?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 4:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I just purchased a Rock Star Lightning splitter from the Apple Store but, try 
> as I may, I cannot get it to work on any of my iPhone devices including 
> iPhone 8 Plus, 7 Plus, 6 S Plus, 6 Plus, or 5 S.  
> 
> Is there some special method for connecting it to a device or do I simply 
> have a bad unit?  
> 
> I just don't understand.  
> 
> I plug the adapter into the lightning port of the phone, then, insert the 
> power cable into one port and the Ear Pods into the second port.  My result, 
> absolutely nothing.  Just to be certain, I took all of my devices out of 
> their respective cases to insure a snug fit.
> 
> All Replies welcome.
> 
> Mark
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Re: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter

[Raymond Foret Jr]

No not true at all.  How do I know?  I have and use one every day.  
Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Nov 10, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Crazy but could apple have something in the IOS to stop these cables working?
> 
> I thought they did something similar a few years ago to stop non certified 
> products being used.
> 
> And if not where do I get one of these?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 4:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I just purchased a Rock Star Lightning splitter from the Apple Store but, try 
> as I may, I cannot get it to work on any of my iPhone devices including 
> iPhone 8 Plus, 7 Plus, 6 S Plus, 6 Plus, or 5 S.  
> 
> Is there some special method for connecting it to a device or do I simply 
> have a bad unit?  
> 
> I just don't understand.  
> 
> I plug the adapter into the lightning port of the phone, then, insert the 
> power cable into one port and the Ear Pods into the second port.  My result, 
> absolutely nothing.  Just to be certain, I took all of my devices out of 
> their respective cases to insure a snug fit.
> 
> All Replies welcome.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

[Donna Goodin]

Not aware of a touchpad option.--Donna
> On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
>  
> With or without the touch pad on it?
>  
> Let me know how it works for you, as I’m interested to know so I get one that 
> works for me also.
>  
> Good luck.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:08 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone
>  
> Hi, Simon,
>  
> I got the one that Erik recommended.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Nov 10, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Donna,
>  
> Which one did you go for in the end?
>  
> I’m looking at 2 currently one is the device suggested by erik, the iClever 
> Bk03
> But I’m also looking at the EC Tech folding bt keyboard which is slightly 
> more expensive but seems to have a higher rating
>  
>  
> But the EC Tech device can’t be shipped to NZ,
> But will be interested to hear what you think of the KB you get.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:42 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone
>  
> Well, I'm getting it for my birthday.  I'll let everyone know what I think.
> Cheers,
> donna
> On Nov 9, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Erik Burggraaf  > wrote:
>  
> I don't have this keyboard myself, only because I can't buy from amazon.com 
>  anymore. I'm not sure why most of us need to iOS 
> devices.  One is enough for me. Regardless, I have been interested in how 
> this keyboard determines its pairings. As far as I'm concerned, Bluetooth is 
> Bluetooth is Bluetooth. If you were going to go to the trouble to make a 3 in 
> 1 Bluetooth connection for a keyboard, you wouldn't restricted by device 
> would you? I've also wondered what would happen if you tried to pair the 
> keyboard up with a Mac. The spec is very specific that it's Windows, IOS, and 
> Android. There's no reason why it shouldn't connect up to a Mac just fine, 
> but what would actually happen if you tried it?
> 
> I actually have one of each, iOS, Android, and Windows devices. So, this is 
> actually the perfect keyboard for me. If anyone is planning to buy, I would 
> be interested in PayPal and someone the money, getting them to order me one, 
> and ship it to Canada.
> 
> On November 9, 2017 4:41:22 AM Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi erik, 
>  
> Is this iClever keyboard able to connect to more than one IOS device?
>  I’I’d rather connect to a couple of IOS devices rather than windows android 
> and ios at one time.
>  
> But it reads well in the reviews
>  
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 8/11/2017, at 8:30 AM, Erik Burggraaf  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to amazon.com 
> .
> http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8 
> 
> It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
> sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, 
> and one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.
> 
> Enjoyu,
> 
> Erik
> 
> 
> On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
> iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I 
> loved it. I’d be looking for something like that something small and 
> portable. Does anyone have any recommendations?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[M. Taylor]

Hello Eileen,

You are so going to love your new iPHone 10.  It really is an amazing piece of 
technology.  

Be sure to keep us posted on how you get on with it, when it arrives.

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 5:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hi Mark, 
 
I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at the 
8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse & 
pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in 
silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And even 
though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot of 
scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability will 
help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a phone. I 
never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love my cell 
phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have to last me 
longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 
years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is in good 
condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once! 
 
I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I get 
the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my phone and 
my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the necessary 
accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
 
Enjoy your new 8 plus.
 
Eileen
 
From: M. Taylor 
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
 
Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
fast on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
the carrier-branded models.

I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
is not yet available in the US.

Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)

I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
protector.   

I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
plus so no added expense, there.

I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  

As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  

Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
I'm feeling chatty (smile).

Until Next Time,

Mark

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RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[M. Taylor]

Hello Saqib,

Actually, the case I use is from Case Mate.  It's a folio with an entire square 
cut out for the camera.

I have the phone in the case and it's perfect.  

I went to look at the Case Mate site and they are still selling the same case, 
with an updated description that includes iPhone 7 Plus and iPHone 8 Plus.  

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 4:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hi. You will have to get a new case as it will partially block the rear camera. 
I couldn’t use my 6S+ case on my 7+ and 8+. 

> On 10 Nov 2017, at 04:43, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I 
> decided to go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or 
> not, I do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, 
> its display aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too 
> narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off 
> pretty fast on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it 
> should, I decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 
> series launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded 
> models.  It used to be that the SIM-free models were launched no 
> sooner than two months after the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of 
> iPhone 10 is not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a 
> SIM card removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous 
> practice of Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to 
> remove the SIM card at some point in the future.  Besides, for the 
> amount of money one pays for iPhone, I think Apple should include the 
> SIM card removal tool, along with a three-course meal, for that 
> matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as 
> my 6 plus so no added expense, there.
> 
> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  
> 
> As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full 
> backup to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.
> 
> Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
> I'm feeling chatty (smile).
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark
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RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[M. Taylor]

Hello Michael,

Well, the phone was $949 and Apple Care Plus was $149.  Of course, this was 
before taxes.  (smile)

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Busboom
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 3:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hey Mark,

So do you mind telling us how much the damage was for the phone and the Apple 
Care Plus package?  I usually purchase my iPhones when visiting family in the 
States, though I believe that the difference in price between there and here in 
Europe might be less than what it once was.

Take care,

Mike
  
> On 10 Nov 2017, at 05:43, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I 
> decided to go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or 
> not, I do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, 
> its display aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too 
> narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off 
> pretty fast on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it 
> should, I decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 
> series launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded 
> models.  It used to be that the SIM-free models were launched no 
> sooner than two months after the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of 
> iPhone 10 is not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a 
> SIM card removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous 
> practice of Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to 
> remove the SIM card at some point in the future.  Besides, for the 
> amount of money one pays for iPhone, I think Apple should include the 
> SIM card removal tool, along with a three-course meal, for that 
> matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as 
> my 6 plus so no added expense, there.
> 
> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  
> 
> As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full 
> backup to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.
> 
> Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
> I'm feeling chatty (smile).
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark
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RE: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Erik,

Interesting note, thanks for the alert to key type,
I thought the touch pad would be good to have as well as keys for gestures as 
well as typing.

I think therefore from your recommendations I’ll be following in Donnas 
footsteps and getting the iClever
Or may be I’ll buy both so I can make the choice later.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Erik Burggraaf
Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 2:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone


Perhaps the EC Technology board you are looking at is a new one.  When I bought 
the one that I used for my girlfriend, my impression was that it connected to 
three devices. Unfortunately when we got it, I found out that wasn't the case.

I recommend avoiding the keyboards that have track pads. My experience of the 
keyboards that do not have track pads, is that they have scissor Keys which is 
what you want. My experience of keyboards that do have the trackpad, is that 
they have a different style of keys which is harder to press and not easy to 
type on. They are Chiclet style Keys, like the ones that used to be built into 
thumb keyboards that came with phones.

On November 10, 2017 7:22:10 PM Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Erik,

Yeah the EC Technology board I was looking at did seemingly do three devices, 
but then so as you mentioned did the 2 iClever boards I looked at, both iClever 
boards folded up to fit in the pocket but one has a touch pad on the right hand 
end and one doesn’t,
The one with the touch pad doesn’t ship to NZ, nor the ec technology board the 
iClever without the touch pad does ship down under.


Guess I’ll go back to looking again at them

Cheers,
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Erik Burggraaf
Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone


Hi Simon, I think the iclever keyboard that I recommended has a model ending in 
06. The model ending in 06 folds in half, while the model ending in 03 folds in 
thirds,  similar to the EC Technology keyboard you mentioned.

I actually owned the EC Technology keyboard, and I can highly recommend it. It 
does not connect to more than one device at a time, but in other ways it is 
equivalent to the iclever 03 or 06. Another derivative of the EC Technology 
keyboard is the esynic folding Bluetooth keyboard, which you can also find 
reviewed on inclusive Android. I am currently using the esynic.  While it is an 
excellent keyboard overall, the Accent key is broken and dumps random accent 
characters into the text as I type. So, I'm not really as happy with it as I 
was with the EC Technology. My sister and I bought these keyboards at the same 
time, and she is using her as without any issues. I guess I'm just a lucky guy. 
The EC Technology keyboard lasted for approximately 3 years. I consider that 
excellent value for money.

If you don't need the connectivity options from the iclever, then I think 
you'll be very happy with any of these keyboards. Go ahead and buy whichever 
one is on sale, and will ship to your location.

Best,

Erik

On November 10, 2017 4:01:18 PM Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Donna,

Which one did you go for in the end?

I’m looking at 2 currently one is the device suggested by erik, the iClever Bk03
But I’m also looking at the EC Tech folding bt keyboard which is slightly more 
expensive but seems to have a higher rating


But the EC Tech device can’t be shipped to NZ,
But will be interested to hear what you think of the KB you get.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

Well, I'm getting it for my birthday.  I'll let everyone know what I think.
Cheers,
donna
On Nov 9, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Erik Burggraaf 
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:

I don't have this keyboard myself, only because I can't buy from 
amazon.com anymore. I'm not sure why most of us need to iOS 
devices.  One is enough for me. Regardless, I have been interested in how this 
keyboard determines its pairings. As far as I'm concerned, Bluetooth is 
Bluetooth is Bluetooth. If you were going to go to the trouble to make a 3 in 1 
Bluetooth connection for a keyboard, you wouldn't restricted by device would 
you? I've also wondered what would happen if you tried to pair the keyboard up 
with a Mac. The spec is very specific that it's Windows, IOS, and Android. 
There's no rea

RE: Wi-Fi password issue.

[Simon Fogarty]

I struck this a couple of days back on a newish mac book pro,
I canceled the connection and tried it again, which worked fine

I wondered for a start if I clicked the incorrect network ID>
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
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Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 1:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Wi-Fi password issue.

Hello folks:

Although my routher access has a ssid and password which I  created, my mac is 
giving the Wi-Fi64 password logon and is asking for a 64 bit hexadecimal 
password.  I can sign on with my iphone with the regular password but not with 
the mac.

I remember this from a while back but I can’t remember how to resolve the 
problem.

Any help would be appreciated all over the place.

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RE: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

 Thanks for that,

 I might have to try apple online as we don't have apple stores here, 
As for amazon will take a look but can't always get their stuff shipped here.

Cheers,

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 2:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter

Hello Simon, et al:

Well, as it turns out, I had a bad adapter.  

I simply took the unit into the Apple Store, along with my receipt of course, 
and they swapped it out.

Before I left the shopping center, I tested it and it works beautifully.

Simon, you can purchase these adapters from Amazon but I purchased mine from 
the Apple Store.

As to your question, no, Apple does not prevent third-party manufacturers from 
making certain Apple accessories.  Apple sells many Belkin products.

Thank you all for your feedback on this.

Mark



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 12:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter

Hi Mark,

 Crazy but could apple have something in the IOS to stop these cables working?

I thought they did something similar a few years ago to stop non certified 
products being used.

And if not where do I get one of these?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 4:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter

Hello Everyone,

I just purchased a Rock Star Lightning splitter from the Apple Store but, try 
as I may, I cannot get it to work on any of my iPhone devices including iPhone 
8 Plus, 7 Plus, 6 S Plus, 6 Plus, or 5 S.  

Is there some special method for connecting it to a device or do I simply have 
a bad unit?  

I just don't understand.  

I plug the adapter into the lightning port of the phone, then, insert the power 
cable into one port and the Ear Pods into the second port.  My result, 
absolutely nothing.  Just to be certain, I took all of my devices out of their 
respective cases to insure a snug fit.

All Replies welcome.

Mark

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RE: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

[Erik Burggraaf]

Perhaps the EC Technology board you are looking at is a new one.  When I 
bought the one that I used for my girlfriend, my impression was that it 
connected to three devices. Unfortunately when we got it, I found out that 
wasn't the case.


I recommend avoiding the keyboards that have track pads. My experience of 
the keyboards that do not have track pads, is that they have scissor Keys 
which is what you want. My experience of keyboards that do have the 
trackpad, is that they have a different style of keys which is harder to 
press and not easy to type on. They are Chiclet style Keys, like the ones 
that used to be built into thumb keyboards that came with phones.





On November 10, 2017 7:22:10 PM Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Erik,

Yeah the EC Technology board I was looking at did seemingly do three 
devices, but then so as you mentioned did the 2 iClever boards I looked at, 
both iClever boards folded up to fit in the pocket but one has a touch pad 
on the right hand end and one doesn’t,
The one with the touch pad doesn’t ship to NZ, nor the ec technology board 
the iClever without the touch pad does ship down under.



Guess I’ll go back to looking again at them

Cheers,
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Erik Burggraaf

Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone


Hi Simon, I think the iclever keyboard that I recommended has a model 
ending in 06. The model ending in 06 folds in half, while the model ending 
in 03 folds in thirds,  similar to the EC Technology keyboard you mentioned.


I actually owned the EC Technology keyboard, and I can highly recommend it. 
It does not connect to more than one device at a time, but in other ways it 
is equivalent to the iclever 03 or 06. Another derivative of the EC 
Technology keyboard is the esynic folding Bluetooth keyboard, which you can 
also find reviewed on inclusive Android. I am currently using the esynic.  
While it is an excellent keyboard overall, the Accent key is broken and 
dumps random accent characters into the text as I type. So, I'm not really 
as happy with it as I was with the EC Technology. My sister and I bought 
these keyboards at the same time, and she is using her as without any 
issues. I guess I'm just a lucky guy. The EC Technology keyboard lasted for 
approximately 3 years. I consider that excellent value for money.


If you don't need the connectivity options from the iclever, then I think 
you'll be very happy with any of these keyboards. Go ahead and buy 
whichever one is on sale, and will ship to your location.


Best,

Erik

On November 10, 2017 4:01:18 PM Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,

Which one did you go for in the end?

I’m looking at 2 currently one is the device suggested by erik, the iClever 
Bk03
But I’m also looking at the EC Tech folding bt keyboard which is slightly 
more expensive but seems to have a higher rating



But the EC Tech device can’t be shipped to NZ,
But will be interested to hear what you think of the KB you get.

From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin

Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

Well, I'm getting it for my birthday.  I'll let everyone know what I think.
Cheers,
donna
On Nov 9, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Erik Burggraaf 
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:


I don't have this keyboard myself, only because I can't buy from 
amazon.com anymore. I'm not sure why most of us need to 
iOS devices.  One is enough for me. Regardless, I have been interested in 
how this keyboard determines its pairings. As far as I'm concerned, 
Bluetooth is Bluetooth is Bluetooth. If you were going to go to the trouble 
to make a 3 in 1 Bluetooth connection for a keyboard, you wouldn't 
restricted by device would you? I've also wondered what would happen if you 
tried to pair the keyboard up with a Mac. The spec is very specific that 
it's Windows, IOS, and Android. There's no reason why it shouldn't connect 
up to a Mac just fine, but what would actually happen if you tried it?
I actually have one of each, iOS, Android, and Windows devices. So, this is 
actually the perfect keyboard for me. If anyone is planning to buy, I would 
be interested in PayPal and someone the money, getting them to order me 
one, and ship it to Canada.
On November 9, 2017 4:41:22 AM Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi erik,

Is this iClever keyboard able to connect to more than one IOS device?
I’I’d rather connect to a couple of IOS devices rather than windows 
android and ios at one time.


But it reads well in the reviews

Sent from my iPad

On 8

RE: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter

[M. Taylor]

Hello Simon, et al:

Well, as it turns out, I had a bad adapter.  

I simply took the unit into the Apple Store, along with my receipt of course, 
and they swapped it out.

Before I left the shopping center, I tested it and it works beautifully.

Simon, you can purchase these adapters from Amazon but I purchased mine from 
the Apple Store.

As to your question, no, Apple does not prevent third-party manufacturers from 
making certain Apple accessories.  Apple sells many Belkin products.

Thank you all for your feedback on this.

Mark



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 12:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter

Hi Mark,

 Crazy but could apple have something in the IOS to stop these cables working?

I thought they did something similar a few years ago to stop non certified 
products being used.

And if not where do I get one of these?

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Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 4:12 AM
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Subject: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter

Hello Everyone,

I just purchased a Rock Star Lightning splitter from the Apple Store but, try 
as I may, I cannot get it to work on any of my iPhone devices including iPhone 
8 Plus, 7 Plus, 6 S Plus, 6 Plus, or 5 S.  

Is there some special method for connecting it to a device or do I simply have 
a bad unit?  

I just don't understand.  

I plug the adapter into the lightning port of the phone, then, insert the power 
cable into one port and the Ear Pods into the second port.  My result, 
absolutely nothing.  Just to be certain, I took all of my devices out of their 
respective cases to insure a snug fit.

All Replies welcome.

Mark

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Re: iPhone x and stylus

[Eileen Scrivani]

I cannot answer your question definitively. However when I was in the Apple 
store looking at both the 8 & the 10 the guy helping me said not a word about 
using a stylus nor did I ask specifically about one since its something I don’t 
use. That doesn’t necessarily mean the answer is that it can’t be used. I 
suggest you talk to Apple directly and ask them directly if its important to 
you and impacts the way you are planning on interacting with the device if 
you’re considering the 10.

You could call their sales number and ask questions – that doesn’t mean you 
have to buy it if you find the answers don’t meet your expectations. 

Eileen


From: Simon Fogarty 
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 4:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: iPhone x and stylus

Morning folks,

 

Just a crazy question here as I’m pretty sure the answer is not a chance,

 

I’m looking at some ipHone x wallet cases and one I’ve found has a stylus  with 
it,

 

Correct me if I’m wrong  but the iPhone x or any other version of the iPHone 
can’t work with a stylus  

I thought that was only the iPad pro devices,

 

Or am I missing something here?

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Wi-Fi password issue.

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hello folks:

 

Although my routher access has a ssid and password which I  created, my mac
is giving the Wi-Fi64 password logon and is asking for a 64 bit hexadecimal
password.  I can sign on with my iphone with the regular password but not
with the mac.

 

I remember this from a while back but I can't remember how to resolve the
problem.

 

Any help would be appreciated all over the place.

 

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RE: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Erik,

Yeah the EC Technology board I was looking at did seemingly do three devices, 
but then so as you mentioned did the 2 iClever boards I looked at, both iClever 
boards folded up to fit in the pocket but one has a touch pad on the right hand 
end and one doesn’t,
The one with the touch pad doesn’t ship to NZ, nor the ec technology board the 
iClever without the touch pad does ship down under.


Guess I’ll go back to looking again at them

Cheers,
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Erik Burggraaf
Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone


Hi Simon, I think the iclever keyboard that I recommended has a model ending in 
06. The model ending in 06 folds in half, while the model ending in 03 folds in 
thirds,  similar to the EC Technology keyboard you mentioned.

I actually owned the EC Technology keyboard, and I can highly recommend it. It 
does not connect to more than one device at a time, but in other ways it is 
equivalent to the iclever 03 or 06. Another derivative of the EC Technology 
keyboard is the esynic folding Bluetooth keyboard, which you can also find 
reviewed on inclusive Android. I am currently using the esynic.  While it is an 
excellent keyboard overall, the Accent key is broken and dumps random accent 
characters into the text as I type. So, I'm not really as happy with it as I 
was with the EC Technology. My sister and I bought these keyboards at the same 
time, and she is using her as without any issues. I guess I'm just a lucky guy. 
The EC Technology keyboard lasted for approximately 3 years. I consider that 
excellent value for money.

If you don't need the connectivity options from the iclever, then I think 
you'll be very happy with any of these keyboards. Go ahead and buy whichever 
one is on sale, and will ship to your location.

Best,

Erik

On November 10, 2017 4:01:18 PM Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Donna,

Which one did you go for in the end?

I’m looking at 2 currently one is the device suggested by erik, the iClever Bk03
But I’m also looking at the EC Tech folding bt keyboard which is slightly more 
expensive but seems to have a higher rating


But the EC Tech device can’t be shipped to NZ,
But will be interested to hear what you think of the KB you get.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

Well, I'm getting it for my birthday.  I'll let everyone know what I think.
Cheers,
donna
On Nov 9, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Erik Burggraaf 
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:

I don't have this keyboard myself, only because I can't buy from 
amazon.com anymore. I'm not sure why most of us need to iOS 
devices.  One is enough for me. Regardless, I have been interested in how this 
keyboard determines its pairings. As far as I'm concerned, Bluetooth is 
Bluetooth is Bluetooth. If you were going to go to the trouble to make a 3 in 1 
Bluetooth connection for a keyboard, you wouldn't restricted by device would 
you? I've also wondered what would happen if you tried to pair the keyboard up 
with a Mac. The spec is very specific that it's Windows, IOS, and Android. 
There's no reason why it shouldn't connect up to a Mac just fine, but what 
would actually happen if you tried it?
I actually have one of each, iOS, Android, and Windows devices. So, this is 
actually the perfect keyboard for me. If anyone is planning to buy, I would be 
interested in PayPal and someone the money, getting them to order me one, and 
ship it to Canada.
On November 9, 2017 4:41:22 AM Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi erik,

Is this iClever keyboard able to connect to more than one IOS device?
 I’I’d rather connect to a couple of IOS devices rather than windows android 
and ios at one time.

But it reads well in the reviews

Sent from my iPad

On 8/11/2017, at 8:30 AM, Erik Burggraaf 
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:
Hi Donna,

This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to 
amazon.com.
http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8

It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, and 
one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.

Enjoyu,

Erik


On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I loved 
it. I’d be looking for something like that something smal

RE: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

With or without the touch pad on it?

Let me know how it works for you, as I’m interested to know so I get one that 
works for me also.

Good luck.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

Hi, Simon,

I got the one that Erik recommended.
Best,
Donna
On Nov 10, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,

Which one did you go for in the end?

I’m looking at 2 currently one is the device suggested by erik, the iClever Bk03
But I’m also looking at the EC Tech folding bt keyboard which is slightly more 
expensive but seems to have a higher rating


But the EC Tech device can’t be shipped to NZ,
But will be interested to hear what you think of the KB you get.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

Well, I'm getting it for my birthday.  I'll let everyone know what I think.
Cheers,
donna
On Nov 9, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Erik Burggraaf 
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:

I don't have this keyboard myself, only because I can't buy from 
amazon.com anymore. I'm not sure why most of us need to iOS 
devices.  One is enough for me. Regardless, I have been interested in how this 
keyboard determines its pairings. As far as I'm concerned, Bluetooth is 
Bluetooth is Bluetooth. If you were going to go to the trouble to make a 3 in 1 
Bluetooth connection for a keyboard, you wouldn't restricted by device would 
you? I've also wondered what would happen if you tried to pair the keyboard up 
with a Mac. The spec is very specific that it's Windows, IOS, and Android. 
There's no reason why it shouldn't connect up to a Mac just fine, but what 
would actually happen if you tried it?
I actually have one of each, iOS, Android, and Windows devices. So, this is 
actually the perfect keyboard for me. If anyone is planning to buy, I would be 
interested in PayPal and someone the money, getting them to order me one, and 
ship it to Canada.
On November 9, 2017 4:41:22 AM Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi erik,

Is this iClever keyboard able to connect to more than one IOS device?
 I’I’d rather connect to a couple of IOS devices rather than windows android 
and ios at one time.

But it reads well in the reviews

Sent from my iPad

On 8/11/2017, at 8:30 AM, Erik Burggraaf 
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:
Hi Donna,

This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to 
amazon.com.
http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8

It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, and 
one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.

Enjoyu,

Erik


On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I loved 
it. I’d be looking for something like that something small and portable. Does 
anyone have any recommendations?
Thanks,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

[Erik Burggraaf]

Hi Simon, I think the iclever keyboard that I recommended has a model 
ending in 06. The model ending in 06 folds in half, while the model ending 
in 03 folds in thirds,  similar to the EC Technology keyboard you mentioned.


I actually owned the EC Technology keyboard, and I can highly recommend it. 
It does not connect to more than one device at a time, but in other ways it 
is equivalent to the iclever 03 or 06. Another derivative of the EC 
Technology keyboard is the esynic folding Bluetooth keyboard, which you can 
also find reviewed on inclusive Android. I am currently using the esynic.  
While it is an excellent keyboard overall, the Accent key is broken and 
dumps random accent characters into the text as I type. So, I'm not really 
as happy with it as I was with the EC Technology. My sister and I bought 
these keyboards at the same time, and she is using her as without any 
issues. I guess I'm just a lucky guy. The EC Technology keyboard lasted for 
approximately 3 years. I consider that excellent value for money.


If you don't need the connectivity options from the iclever, then I think 
you'll be very happy with any of these keyboards. Go ahead and buy 
whichever one is on sale, and will ship to your location.


Best,

Erik


On November 10, 2017 4:01:18 PM Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Donna,

Which one did you go for in the end?

I’m looking at 2 currently one is the device suggested by erik, the iClever 
Bk03
But I’m also looking at the EC Tech folding bt keyboard which is slightly 
more expensive but seems to have a higher rating



But the EC Tech device can’t be shipped to NZ,
But will be interested to hear what you think of the KB you get.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin

Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

Well, I'm getting it for my birthday.  I'll let everyone know what I think.
Cheers,
donna
On Nov 9, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Erik Burggraaf 
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:


I don't have this keyboard myself, only because I can't buy from 
amazon.com anymore. I'm not sure why most of us need to 
iOS devices.  One is enough for me. Regardless, I have been interested in 
how this keyboard determines its pairings. As far as I'm concerned, 
Bluetooth is Bluetooth is Bluetooth. If you were going to go to the trouble 
to make a 3 in 1 Bluetooth connection for a keyboard, you wouldn't 
restricted by device would you? I've also wondered what would happen if you 
tried to pair the keyboard up with a Mac. The spec is very specific that 
it's Windows, IOS, and Android. There's no reason why it shouldn't connect 
up to a Mac just fine, but what would actually happen if you tried it?
I actually have one of each, iOS, Android, and Windows devices. So, this is 
actually the perfect keyboard for me. If anyone is planning to buy, I would 
be interested in PayPal and someone the money, getting them to order me 
one, and ship it to Canada.
On November 9, 2017 4:41:22 AM Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi erik,

Is this iClever keyboard able to connect to more than one IOS device?
I’I’d rather connect to a couple of IOS devices rather than windows 
android and ios at one time.


But it reads well in the reviews

Sent from my iPad

On 8/11/2017, at 8:30 AM, Erik Burggraaf 
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,

This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to 
amazon.com.

http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8

It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, 
and one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.


Enjoyu,

Erik


On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:


Hi all,

I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I 
loved it. I’d be looking for something like that something small and 
portable. Does anyone have any recommendations?

Thanks,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, Simon,

I got the one that Erik recommended.
Best,
Donna
> On Nov 10, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
>  
> Which one did you go for in the end?
>  
> I’m looking at 2 currently one is the device suggested by erik, the iClever 
> Bk03
> But I’m also looking at the EC Tech folding bt keyboard which is slightly 
> more expensive but seems to have a higher rating
>  
>  
> But the EC Tech device can’t be shipped to NZ,
> But will be interested to hear what you think of the KB you get.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:42 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone
>  
> Well, I'm getting it for my birthday.  I'll let everyone know what I think.
> Cheers,
> donna
> On Nov 9, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Erik Burggraaf  > wrote:
>  
> I don't have this keyboard myself, only because I can't buy from amazon.com 
>  anymore. I'm not sure why most of us need to iOS 
> devices.  One is enough for me. Regardless, I have been interested in how 
> this keyboard determines its pairings. As far as I'm concerned, Bluetooth is 
> Bluetooth is Bluetooth. If you were going to go to the trouble to make a 3 in 
> 1 Bluetooth connection for a keyboard, you wouldn't restricted by device 
> would you? I've also wondered what would happen if you tried to pair the 
> keyboard up with a Mac. The spec is very specific that it's Windows, IOS, and 
> Android. There's no reason why it shouldn't connect up to a Mac just fine, 
> but what would actually happen if you tried it?
> 
> I actually have one of each, iOS, Android, and Windows devices. So, this is 
> actually the perfect keyboard for me. If anyone is planning to buy, I would 
> be interested in PayPal and someone the money, getting them to order me one, 
> and ship it to Canada.
> 
> On November 9, 2017 4:41:22 AM Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi erik, 
>  
> Is this iClever keyboard able to connect to more than one IOS device?
>  I’I’d rather connect to a couple of IOS devices rather than windows android 
> and ios at one time.
>  
> But it reads well in the reviews
>  
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 8/11/2017, at 8:30 AM, Erik Burggraaf  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to amazon.com 
> .
> http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8 
> 
> It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
> sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, 
> and one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.
> 
> Enjoyu,
> 
> Erik
> 
> 
> On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
> iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I 
> loved it. I’d be looking for something like that something small and 
> portable. Does anyone have any recommendations?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first 18 hours - CNET

[Maria Reyes]

Just saying, I feel like the blind community complains about technology moving 
on a lot. 

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> On Nov 10, 2017, at 5:55 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Maria, complaining is part of the human condition, If you have never 
> complained, you are not human. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 11/10/2017 2:17 PM, Maria Reyes wrote:
>> Just curious why does the blind community complain a lot about this stuff? 
>> Welcome to the future... Time to move on.
>> Anyway, if you are able to glance at your iPhone X there is a feature that 
>> you can enable in settings, accessibility, Face ID and passcode. David has a 
>> good point about the cameras being useful for the blind with improved OCR.
>> Maria Reyes
>> Owner of the following groups: Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io
>> iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com
>>> On Nov 7, 2017, at 3:56 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love it.
>>> 
>>> I Knew it wouldn't take long.
>>> But I dind't think it would be this short a time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2017 3:37 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first 18 
>>> hours - CNET
>>> 
>>> Hi. This morning I read an article where younger sibling managed to unlock 
>>> an iPhone 10 and they were most definitely not twins. Mac rumours has the 
>>> story.
>>> 
 On 1 Nov 2017, at 17:00, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Yes, you are correct with respect to the identical twins aspect of this 
 feature, although photos, masks and such have no bearing in this process 
 as the identification process is a 3D process, therefore, 2D photos are 
 immaterial.  This can be affirmed in the same article you partially 
 posted.  My main point is that we need to be careful when posting opinions 
 of potential, unproven deficiencies.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:36, Robin  wrote:
 
 No, I,Robin do NOT have any Proof that Apple's TouchID is More or Less
 Secure than its NEW FaceID Although I have Heard News that Identical
 Twins Privacy & Security is More Secure with TouchID as Opposed to its
 FaceID based on Early Reports  of Apple's FaceID on its ForthComing
 Anniversary Eidition of the iPhone, the iPhoneX (Pronounced iPhone10)
 
 People  don't have the Same FingerPrints, but Photos  or Faces can be
 Identical as IN Identical Twins
 
 I,Robin Learned through MyStudy of Forensics (Forensic Science) that
 FringerPrints  Vary from 1 Individual TO Another (Individual) At 08:30 AM 
 11/1/2017, you wrote:
> Hi Robin,
> 
> do you have some credible source to support your belief about the level 
> of security of a Face ID vs a finger-print sensor?  I'm not sure if one 
> is actually more secure than the other, just another method to do things. 
>  As I've mentioned a few times before, when the finger-print sensor was 
> first introduced on the iPhone, there was tons of noise made about it's 
> probable lack of security compared to the good old pass-code.  Now that 
> we've had it for a while, many people are making it sound like it's the 
> best thing yet and anything new won't do.  We are all welcome to our 
> opinions, but I believe that it is beneficial to base these opinions on 
> sound research, rather than hear-say.  You may be right in the end, I'm 
> really not sure, but I haven't seen anything but arm-chair opinions so 
> far.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 1, 2017, at 00:05, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Why do you Beleive Apple's Face ID is SO Secure because Apple Says So?
> Personally, I Beleive
> Touch ID is More Secure & Gives Users More Security & Privacy than
> Apple's Face ID
> 
> Would Apple  go Away from The Norm & Keep its iPhoneX special by  Having 
> it be the ONLY iPhone to come Equipped With Face ID  for a Couple of 
> Years to Justify the Price?
> Probably Not
> At 10:59 PM 10/31/2017, you wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> Facial recog is more secure than finger prints in this products case.
>> 
>> But yes an identical twin would be required and then I believe may still 
>> struggle.
>> 
>> I'll be surprised if someone doesn't crack the facial recognition some 
>> time soonn as they di

Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first 18 hours - CNET

[E.T.]

   Maria, complaining is part of the human condition, If you have never 
complained, you are not human. (smiles)


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/10/2017 2:17 PM, Maria Reyes wrote:

Just curious why does the blind community complain a lot about this stuff? 
Welcome to the future... Time to move on.
Anyway, if you are able to glance at your iPhone X there is a feature that you 
can enable in settings, accessibility, Face ID and passcode. David has a good 
point about the cameras being useful for the blind with improved OCR.

Maria Reyes
Owner of the following groups: Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io
iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com


On Nov 7, 2017, at 3:56 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

I love it.

I Knew it wouldn't take long.
But I dind't think it would be this short a time.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2017 3:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first 18 hours - 
CNET

Hi. This morning I read an article where younger sibling managed to unlock an 
iPhone 10 and they were most definitely not twins. Mac rumours has the story.


On 1 Nov 2017, at 17:00, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Yes, you are correct with respect to the identical twins aspect of this 
feature, although photos, masks and such have no bearing in this process as the 
identification process is a 3D process, therefore, 2D photos are immaterial.  
This can be affirmed in the same article you partially posted.  My main point 
is that we need to be careful when posting opinions of potential, unproven 
deficiencies.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:36, Robin  wrote:

No, I,Robin do NOT have any Proof that Apple's TouchID is More or Less
Secure than its NEW FaceID Although I have Heard News that Identical
Twins Privacy & Security is More Secure with TouchID as Opposed to its
FaceID based on Early Reports  of Apple's FaceID on its ForthComing
Anniversary Eidition of the iPhone, the iPhoneX (Pronounced iPhone10)

People  don't have the Same FingerPrints, but Photos  or Faces can be
Identical as IN Identical Twins

I,Robin Learned through MyStudy of Forensics (Forensic Science) that
FringerPrints  Vary from 1 Individual TO Another (Individual) At 08:30 AM 
11/1/2017, you wrote:

Hi Robin,

do you have some credible source to support your belief about the level of 
security of a Face ID vs a finger-print sensor?  I'm not sure if one is 
actually more secure than the other, just another method to do things.  As I've 
mentioned a few times before, when the finger-print sensor was first introduced 
on the iPhone, there was tons of noise made about it's probable lack of 
security compared to the good old pass-code.  Now that we've had it for a 
while, many people are making it sound like it's the best thing yet and 
anything new won't do.  We are all welcome to our opinions, but I believe that 
it is beneficial to base these opinions on sound research, rather than 
hear-say.  You may be right in the end, I'm really not sure, but I haven't seen 
anything but arm-chair opinions so far.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 1, 2017, at 00:05, Robin  wrote:

Why do you Beleive Apple's Face ID is SO Secure because Apple Says So?
Personally, I Beleive
Touch ID is More Secure & Gives Users More Security & Privacy than
Apple's Face ID

Would Apple  go Away from The Norm & Keep its iPhoneX special by  Having it be 
the ONLY iPhone to come Equipped With Face ID  for a Couple of Years to Justify the 
Price?
Probably Not
At 10:59 PM 10/31/2017, you wrote:

Hi Tim,

Facial recog is more secure than finger prints in this products case.

But yes an identical twin would be required and then I believe may still 
struggle.

I'll be surprised if someone doesn't crack the facial recognition some time 
soonn as they did pretty quickly with samsungs galaxy s8 version of it.
Which I believe is only retinal scan. Or was it iris scanning.

But either way,
If the looking directly at the phone / screen feature is auto disabled if vo is 
active, is that not a good feature for us as they have seen there may be an 
issue for blind / VI users looking actually at the phone camera.
To me this is a forward thought.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 12:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first
18 hours - CNET

Hi,

While I don't wish to minimize anyone's concerns, Face ID even without the eye 
contact feature is sti

Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first 18 hours - CNET

[Maria Reyes]

Just curious why does the blind community complain a lot about this stuff? 
Welcome to the future... Time to move on. 
Anyway, if you are able to glance at your iPhone X there is a feature that you 
can enable in settings, accessibility, Face ID and passcode. David has a good 
point about the cameras being useful for the blind with improved OCR.  

Maria Reyes 
Owner of the following groups: Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io 
iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com

> On Nov 7, 2017, at 3:56 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I love it.
> 
> I Knew it wouldn't take long.
> But I dind't think it would be this short a time.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2017 3:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first 18 hours 
> - CNET
> 
> Hi. This morning I read an article where younger sibling managed to unlock an 
> iPhone 10 and they were most definitely not twins. Mac rumours has the story. 
> 
>> On 1 Nov 2017, at 17:00, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, you are correct with respect to the identical twins aspect of this 
>> feature, although photos, masks and such have no bearing in this process as 
>> the identification process is a 3D process, therefore, 2D photos are 
>> immaterial.  This can be affirmed in the same article you partially posted.  
>> My main point is that we need to be careful when posting opinions of 
>> potential, unproven deficiencies.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:36, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> No, I,Robin do NOT have any Proof that Apple's TouchID is More or Less 
>> Secure than its NEW FaceID Although I have Heard News that Identical 
>> Twins Privacy & Security is More Secure with TouchID as Opposed to its 
>> FaceID based on Early Reports  of Apple's FaceID on its ForthComing 
>> Anniversary Eidition of the iPhone, the iPhoneX (Pronounced iPhone10)
>> 
>> People  don't have the Same FingerPrints, but Photos  or Faces can be 
>> Identical as IN Identical Twins
>> 
>> I,Robin Learned through MyStudy of Forensics (Forensic Science) that 
>> FringerPrints  Vary from 1 Individual TO Another (Individual) At 08:30 AM 
>> 11/1/2017, you wrote:
>>> Hi Robin,
>>> 
>>> do you have some credible source to support your belief about the level of 
>>> security of a Face ID vs a finger-print sensor?  I'm not sure if one is 
>>> actually more secure than the other, just another method to do things.  As 
>>> I've mentioned a few times before, when the finger-print sensor was first 
>>> introduced on the iPhone, there was tons of noise made about it's probable 
>>> lack of security compared to the good old pass-code.  Now that we've had it 
>>> for a while, many people are making it sound like it's the best thing yet 
>>> and anything new won't do.  We are all welcome to our opinions, but I 
>>> believe that it is beneficial to base these opinions on sound research, 
>>> rather than hear-say.  You may be right in the end, I'm really not sure, 
>>> but I haven't seen anything but arm-chair opinions so far.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 00:05, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why do you Beleive Apple's Face ID is SO Secure because Apple Says So?
>>> Personally, I Beleive
>>> Touch ID is More Secure & Gives Users More Security & Privacy than 
>>> Apple's Face ID
>>> 
>>> Would Apple  go Away from The Norm & Keep its iPhoneX special by  Having it 
>>> be the ONLY iPhone to come Equipped With Face ID  for a Couple of Years to 
>>> Justify the Price?
>>> Probably Not
>>> At 10:59 PM 10/31/2017, you wrote:
 Hi Tim,
 
 Facial recog is more secure than finger prints in this products case.
 
 But yes an identical twin would be required and then I believe may still 
 struggle.
 
 I'll be surprised if someone doesn't crack the facial recognition some 
 time soonn as they did pretty quickly with samsungs galaxy s8 version of 
 it.
 Which I believe is only retinal scan. Or was it iris scanning.
 
 But either way,
 If the looking directly at the phone / screen feature is auto disabled if 
 vo is active, is that not a good feature for us as they have seen there 
 may be an issue for blind / VI users looking actually at the phone camera.
 To me this is a forward thought.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
 Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 12:56 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first 
 18 hours - CNET
 
 Hi,
 
 While I don't wish to minimize anyone's concerns, Face ID even without the 
 eye contact 

iPhone x and stylus

[Simon Fogarty]

Morning folks,

Just a crazy question here as I'm pretty sure the answer is not a chance,

I'm looking at some ipHone x wallet cases and one I've found has a stylus  with 
it,

Correct me if I'm wrong  but the iPhone x or any other version of the iPHone 
can't work with a stylus
I thought that was only the iPad pro devices,

Or am I missing something here?

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RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

 Interesting your thoughts on the 10, I guess as a sightless user  I wont worry 
about the screen size,

Although I have the 7+ for exactly that reason, larger screen size better 
access to keyboard for fatter fingers.

As my 10 hasn't yet arrived I thought I'd look in to cases for it,
I didn't realise that the width is only slightly less than the 7+ but the 
length is probably 1 centimeter shorter than the +
'
 So I can see what is meant by smaller form factor.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, 10 November 2017 5:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to go 
ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I do 
not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display 
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty fast 
on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I 
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series 
launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used to 
be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after the 
carrier-branded models.

I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10 is 
not yet available in the US.

Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card 
removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of Apple 
for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at some 
point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for iPhone, I 
think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a three-course 
meal, for that matter.  (smile)

I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
protector.   

I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6 plus 
so no added expense, there.

I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  

As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup to 
iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  

Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
I'm feeling chatty (smile).

Until Next Time,

Mark

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RE: mac os server and remote desk top

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

I’m happy to work  in the terminal but it’s more my linux knowledge is not 
really up to scratch,
Yet my power shell and dos skills are fine.

But yeah GUI I think at this point would be easier.

But then hey gotta learn sometime and nothing like jumping in the shark tank to 
learn to swim.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Friday, 10 November 2017 6:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac os server and remote desk top

Hi,

Yes, I do lots via the Terminal as well, but Simon was mentioning that he 
wasn't comfortable working in the Terminal, hence, alternative GUI methods.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 9, 2017, at 21:39, sandi sørensen 
mailto:sandi1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Use ssh, and terminal, also known as Bash.
It is a little geeky to set up, but i promise you once done you can do 10 
different things at  the same time


SandieSent from my iPad

On 10 Nov 2017, at 05.15, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> 
wrote:
Hi Simon,

If they both get upgraded to High Sierra, then you'd still be fine.  With 
respect to the VPN, if you have DNS set up on the Sierra server, then enable 
Open Directory on the Sierra server.  Once OD is enabled, create a network user 
with "Services Only" privileges.  Use this network user as the user to connect 
to the VPN.  I've found that local user credentials don't work well with the 
VPN initial access.  The DNS on the server should point to itself as well as 
your router.  As long as the server can access the internet, then anything 
connected through its VPN service can do so as well.

With respect to ARD, sorry, no joy there either.  VO will not pass through the 
sound.  You can control VO as long as VO is off on your machine, but you won't 
hear anything unless you're sitting right beside it.  For connecting to the 
server, you could connect via AFP or smb through the VPN and have access to 
most things you'd need access to.

That's how I handle it anyway.  Well, that and Terminal.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 9, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yeah one Idea and yes the two devices are currently both running sierra but 
that will get updated soonish.

I would prefer to be able to also access files / folder structures as well as 
server features, but from an off site location through my vpn which is being 
bloody difficult with setup and I can’t see which part is the issue.

I was wondering about ARD apple Remote Desktop on the server and if using that 
to connect to the client will give me vo through the connection
 Terminal isn’t currently an option as my linux skills are sadly not great.

I’ll keep playing and see what I can do .

Cheers.

SF
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2017 6:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac os server and remote desk top

Simon,

If you're MacBook is running the same MacOS as the Server, and all you're 
wanting to do is manage the Server settings, then you don't need to do anything 
special   Just install the Server app onto your MacBook, open it, press cmd-n 
to open a new connection, select Other from the table, then enter the IP of 
your router.  You will have first needed to set up a forwarder that will 
forward requests that come to the router for Server Admin tasks to be forwarded 
to your Server internal IP.  With all that set up, you can manage the server 
using the app on a different Mac.  The limitations happen when you're using a 
different version of the Server app on each machine these won't properly talk 
to each other.  I just have a drive with multiple MacOS's on it with multiple 
versions of Server app.  So, when I want to manage an el Capitan server 
installation, I use the 10.11.6 installation and so on for Sierra etc.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 8, 2017, at 00:18, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

I’ve got a mac mini running sierra server which I’m setting up for a number of 
different things.

One of which is VPN which is done but still not yet working.

The other is Remote Desktop which I’d like to be able to do from my MBA

Now on the server I have the screen sharing, remote log in and remote 
management all enabled and from within my network at home I can VNC on to the 
server fine.

But as Voiceover is not available to me through the VNC connection if on a say 
mac book to mac book
But Voiceover is meant to be available from Mac OS Server to the remote 
connection,

Yet I can’t figure how to get this working,
Is anyone able to advise on how voiceover can be setup to work through the 
server to MBA remote connection.

Any help would be appreciated.



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RE: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Which one did you go for in the end?

I’m looking at 2 currently one is the device suggested by erik, the iClever Bk03
But I’m also looking at the EC Tech folding bt keyboard which is slightly more 
expensive but seems to have a higher rating


But the EC Tech device can’t be shipped to NZ,
But will be interested to hear what you think of the KB you get.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

Well, I'm getting it for my birthday.  I'll let everyone know what I think.
Cheers,
donna
On Nov 9, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Erik Burggraaf 
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:

I don't have this keyboard myself, only because I can't buy from 
amazon.com anymore. I'm not sure why most of us need to iOS 
devices.  One is enough for me. Regardless, I have been interested in how this 
keyboard determines its pairings. As far as I'm concerned, Bluetooth is 
Bluetooth is Bluetooth. If you were going to go to the trouble to make a 3 in 1 
Bluetooth connection for a keyboard, you wouldn't restricted by device would 
you? I've also wondered what would happen if you tried to pair the keyboard up 
with a Mac. The spec is very specific that it's Windows, IOS, and Android. 
There's no reason why it shouldn't connect up to a Mac just fine, but what 
would actually happen if you tried it?
I actually have one of each, iOS, Android, and Windows devices. So, this is 
actually the perfect keyboard for me. If anyone is planning to buy, I would be 
interested in PayPal and someone the money, getting them to order me one, and 
ship it to Canada.
On November 9, 2017 4:41:22 AM Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi erik,

Is this iClever keyboard able to connect to more than one IOS device?
 I’I’d rather connect to a couple of IOS devices rather than windows android 
and ios at one time.

But it reads well in the reviews

Sent from my iPad

On 8/11/2017, at 8:30 AM, Erik Burggraaf 
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:
Hi Donna,

This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to 
amazon.com.
http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8

It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, and 
one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.

Enjoyu,

Erik


On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I loved 
it. I’d be looking for something like that something small and portable. Does 
anyone have any recommendations?
Thanks,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

 Crazy but could apple have something in the IOS to stop these cables working?

I thought they did something similar a few years ago to stop non certified 
products being used.

And if not where do I get one of these?

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2017 4:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter

Hello Everyone,

I just purchased a Rock Star Lightning splitter from the Apple Store but, try 
as I may, I cannot get it to work on any of my iPhone devices including iPhone 
8 Plus, 7 Plus, 6 S Plus, 6 Plus, or 5 S.  

Is there some special method for connecting it to a device or do I simply have 
a bad unit?  

I just don't understand.  

I plug the adapter into the lightning port of the phone, then, insert the power 
cable into one port and the Ear Pods into the second port.  My result, 
absolutely nothing.  Just to be certain, I took all of my devices out of their 
respective cases to insure a snug fit.

All Replies welcome.

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Re: A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Try the oposite way.  Connect your devices then connect the connector in to 
your iphone.  In the strictest sense, honestly, it should not matter which way 
you do it.  Based on your description, sounds to me like you did it right:  
however, just make sure that the connectors really snap in place on the duo 
connector.  I’d say that it appears you may have a bad unit though.


Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Nov 10, 2017, at 9:11 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I just purchased a Rock Star Lightning splitter from the Apple Store but,
> try as I may, I cannot get it to work on any of my iPhone devices including
> iPhone 8 Plus, 7 Plus, 6 S Plus, 6 Plus, or 5 S.  
> 
> Is there some special method for connecting it to a device or do I simply
> have a bad unit?  
> 
> I just don't understand.  
> 
> I plug the adapter into the lightning port of the phone, then, insert the
> power cable into one port and the Ear Pods into the second port.  My result,
> absolutely nothing.  Just to be certain, I took all of my devices out of
> their respective cases to insure a snug fit.
> 
> All Replies welcome.
> 
> Mark
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A Question About Using the Belkin Rock Star Lightening Splitter

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I just purchased a Rock Star Lightning splitter from the Apple Store but,
try as I may, I cannot get it to work on any of my iPhone devices including
iPhone 8 Plus, 7 Plus, 6 S Plus, 6 Plus, or 5 S.  

Is there some special method for connecting it to a device or do I simply
have a bad unit?  

I just don't understand.  

I plug the adapter into the lightning port of the phone, then, insert the
power cable into one port and the Ear Pods into the second port.  My result,
absolutely nothing.  Just to be certain, I took all of my devices out of
their respective cases to insure a snug fit.

All Replies welcome.

Mark

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Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hi Mark, 

I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at the 
8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse & 
pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in 
silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And even 
though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot of 
scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability will 
help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a phone. I 
never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love my cell 
phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have to last me 
longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 
years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is in good 
condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once! 

I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I get 
the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my phone and 
my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the necessary 
accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.

Enjoy your new 8 plus.

Eileen

From: M. Taylor 
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
fast on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
the carrier-branded models.

I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
is not yet available in the US.

Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)

I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
protector.   

I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
plus so no added expense, there.

I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  

As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  

Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
I'm feeling chatty (smile).

Until Next Time,

Mark

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Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. You will have to get a new case as it will partially block the rear camera. 
I couldn’t use my 6S+ case on my 7+ and 8+. 

> On 10 Nov 2017, at 04:43, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
> go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
> fast on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
> launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
> to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
> the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
> is not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
> removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
> Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
> some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
> iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
> three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
> plus so no added expense, there.
> 
> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  
> 
> As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
> to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  
> 
> Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
> I'm feeling chatty (smile).
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark
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Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Michael Busboom]

Hey Mark,

So do you mind telling us how much the damage was for the phone and the Apple 
Care Plus package?  I usually purchase my iPhones when visiting family in the 
States, though I believe that the difference in price between there and here in 
Europe might be less than what it once was.

Take care,

Mike
  
> On 10 Nov 2017, at 05:43, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
> go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
> fast on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
> launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
> to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
> the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
> is not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
> removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
> Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
> some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
> iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
> three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
> plus so no added expense, there.
> 
> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  
> 
> As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
> to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  
> 
> Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
> I'm feeling chatty (smile).
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark
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Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

[Donna Goodin]

Well, I'm getting it for my birthday.  I'll let everyone know what I think.
Cheers,
donna
> On Nov 9, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> I don't have this keyboard myself, only because I can't buy from amazon.com 
>  anymore. I'm not sure why most of us need to iOS 
> devices.  One is enough for me. Regardless, I have been interested in how 
> this keyboard determines its pairings. As far as I'm concerned, Bluetooth is 
> Bluetooth is Bluetooth. If you were going to go to the trouble to make a 3 in 
> 1 Bluetooth connection for a keyboard, you wouldn't restricted by device 
> would you? I've also wondered what would happen if you tried to pair the 
> keyboard up with a Mac. The spec is very specific that it's Windows, IOS, and 
> Android. There's no reason why it shouldn't connect up to a Mac just fine, 
> but what would actually happen if you tried it?
> 
> I actually have one of each, iOS, Android, and Windows devices. So, this is 
> actually the perfect keyboard for me. If anyone is planning to buy, I would 
> be interested in PayPal and someone the money, getting them to order me one, 
> and ship it to Canada.
> 
> On November 9, 2017 4:41:22 AM Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
>> Hi erik,
>> 
>> Is this iClever keyboard able to connect to more than one IOS device?
>>  I’I’d rather connect to a couple of IOS devices rather than windows android 
>> and ios at one time.
>> 
>> But it reads well in the reviews
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 8/11/2017, at 8:30 AM, Erik Burggraaf > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to amazon.com 
>>> .
>>> http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8 
>>> 
>>> It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
>>> sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, 
>>> and one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.
>>> 
>>> Enjoyu,
>>> 
>>> Erik
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
>>> iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I 
>>> loved it. I’d be looking for something like that something small and 
>>> portable. Does anyone have any recommendations?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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