RE: Apple TV and sound systems revisited

[Simon Fogarty]

I use sonos from my tv and it works great with my apple tv 4K 

The play bar plugs in to my tv using an optical cable and then the apple tv 
plugs in to the Samsung tv using HDMI and the tv directs the audio through the 
sonos play bar and associated sonos speakers.
No issues what so ever

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On Behalf Of larry.thacker...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 2:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple TV and sound systems revisited

This has come up before, but it has been a few months, so I’ll ask again in 
case something new and beter has come up.  As we know, some sound systems do 
not work well with Voiceover because of the way they process HDMI input.  I 
have been putting up with such a system for a while now.  I bought a 
replacement, foolishly assuming that a new system from a reputable brand would 
be fine.  FYI, the JBL Bar 3.1 is not such a system.  In fact it’s rather 
glitchy overall.  It may get beter after a software update or two, but right 
now I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone.  I’ve got an email out to customer 
support, but I do not expect that to come to much.  I did the same thing with 
the RCA system and the technician didn’t even know what Apple TV was.  The 
trouble with first level support is that if they are any good they get promoted.

So, if you have a good system that works well with VO on Apple TV, I’d like to 
know about it.  I’m looking at sound bars because my wife wants to get rid of 
the wares running up the wall to the satelites.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: iPhone X cases?

[jaan ali]

Hi, you can also check the spec  clear case as well it offers good protection 
as well and it is very slim  as compare to otterbox case

Get Outlook for iOS

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Donna Goodin 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 6:37:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone X cases?

Hi Kliph and Simon,

Thanks for this info, Kliph.  Simon, I think I'm going to go with the one that 
Kliph has, but thanks.
Donna
> On Dec 11, 2017, at 4:06 AM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>
> donna, that case doesn’t stay closed, and it is not real secure, the reason I 
> didn’t like it is the phone stays in it unless you remove it from the inside 
> holder, whitch is more trouble than it is worth, especially since the phone 
> would be fullly exposed.  JMO
>> On Dec 11, 2017, at 4:13 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Donna,
>>
>> Would you by any chance want the apple folio x wallet case?
>> Leather unused ?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 1:44 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone X cases?
>>
>> Hi Kliph, Simon, and Aleeha,
>>
>> Thanks for the case suggestions.  I've used an OtterBox case  before, but 
>> like Kliph, I found it bulky.  I was looking at the LifeProof cases 
>> yesterday, but they're expensive, and now that phones are water-resistant, 
>> I'm not sure it's worth the money.  I'll take a look at the commuter series, 
>> though, to see if it's any less bulky, and the Apple leather case sounds 
>> intriguing.  Thanks, Kliph, for that, I didn't even know Apple made a 
>> leather case.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>>
>>> I tried to use the folyo case, but it didn’t stay closed, so I went with 
>>> the apple leather case and temperd glass.  I usually go with the oterbox 
>>> serious, but this time I wanted my phone to be less bulky.
 On Dec 9, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

 Hi all,

 Have started looking at cases for my X.  Those of you who have this phone, 
 I'd love to hear what case you are using, and how well you like it.
 Cheers,
 Donna

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Does Anyone Know of a Good Taxi App in the USA? Not Uber or Lift

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Can anyone recommend a good Taxi app here in the US?  

I have Curb, the Taxi app, but, like so many, they no longer offer telephone
booking service as they once did.  

I would like an app that just lifts all of the taxi services in my genral
area with their respective phone numbers.  

Any ideas?

Mark

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Re: Apple TV and sound systems revisited

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I've had success with Bose products.  Although, to be honest, I've only used my 
optical connection to the Bose unit.  My HDMI with the Apple TV 4 goes through 
a Harman Kardon receiver with no issues at all, except for the wires according 
to my wife as well :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 11, 2017, at 18:44, larry.thacker...@gmail.com wrote:

This has come up before, but it has been a few months, so I’ll ask again in 
case something new and beter has come up.  As we know, some sound systems do 
not work well with Voiceover because of the way they process HDMI input.  I 
have been putting up with such a system for a while now.  I bought a 
replacement, foolishly assuming that a new system from a reputable brand would 
be fine.  FYI, the JBL Bar 3.1 is not such a system.  In fact it’s rather 
glitchy overall.  It may get beter after a software update or two, but right 
now I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone.  I’ve got an email out to customer 
support, but I do not expect that to come to much.  I did the same thing with 
the RCA system and the technician didn’t even know what Apple TV was.  The 
trouble with first level support is that if they are any good they get promoted.

So, if you have a good system that works well with VO on Apple TV, I’d like to 
know about it.  I’m looking at sound bars because my wife wants to get rid of 
the wares running up the wall to the satelites.

Sent from my iPhone

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Apple TV and sound systems revisited

[larry . thacker . jr]

This has come up before, but it has been a few months, so I’ll ask again in 
case something new and beter has come up.  As we know, some sound systems do 
not work well with Voiceover because of the way they process HDMI input.  I 
have been putting up with such a system for a while now.  I bought a 
replacement, foolishly assuming that a new system from a reputable brand would 
be fine.  FYI, the JBL Bar 3.1 is not such a system.  In fact it’s rather 
glitchy overall.  It may get beter after a software update or two, but right 
now I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone.  I’ve got an email out to customer 
support, but I do not expect that to come to much.  I did the same thing with 
the RCA system and the technician didn’t even know what Apple TV was.  The 
trouble with first level support is that if they are any good they get promoted.

So, if you have a good system that works well with VO on Apple TV, I’d like to 
know about it.  I’m looking at sound bars because my wife wants to get rid of 
the wares running up the wall to the satelites.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: High Seria - everything in finder identified as a "group"

[Chris Moore]

Gerry,
Thanks for checking with Apple Accessibility.  Switching to list mode does 
help.  However, I’m so used to working with column view that I may just live 
with the annoyance for now.

Chris
> On Dec 11, 2017, at 2:17 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   That I do get. Its normal because you can have many types of data on the 
> desktop. Drives, folders, web sites, documents, etc.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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> On 12/11/2017 9:50 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> On the finder desktop i can hear VoiceOver say group but its empty ofcorse.
>> /A
>>> 11 dec. 2017 kl. 02:27 skrev Tim Kilburn :
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm not experiencing that issue.  I don't recall having the issue either 
>>> when I first upgraded.  Not sure what's going on for you though.  Maybe a 
>>> restart might fix it.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2017, at 18:24, Chris Moore  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I just upgraded to HS and noticed something different in the finder.  
>>> voiceOver identifies almost everything as a group rather than as a folder, 
>>> application or other file type.  Is there a setting to change/correct this 
>>> behavior?
>>> 
>>> Chris
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syncing Zedge to Itunes to take thadownloaded ringtones

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all,
I need to get some ring tones, I'm using Zedge on my Iphone, but how can i send 
these downoaded tones to my Iphone:
It asked me to use Itunes, but don't know how.
Any help will be highly abbreciated

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Re: High Seria - everything in finder identified as a "group"

[E.T.]

   That I do get. Its normal because you can have many types of data on 
the desktop. Drives, folders, web sites, documents, etc.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/11/2017 9:50 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
On the finder desktop i can hear VoiceOver say group but its empty ofcorse.
/A


11 dec. 2017 kl. 02:27 skrev Tim Kilburn :

Hi,

I'm not experiencing that issue.  I don't recall having the issue either when I 
first upgraded.  Not sure what's going on for you though.  Maybe a restart 
might fix it.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 10, 2017, at 18:24, Chris Moore  wrote:

Hello,
I just upgraded to HS and noticed something different in the finder.  voiceOver 
identifies almost everything as a group rather than as a folder, application or 
other file type.  Is there a setting to change/correct this behavior?

Chris

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RE: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[M. Taylor]

Hello Devin,

 

My but you do make it sound so simple.  

 

Okay, I’ll give it another go using the, “R”, command you spoke of.

 

Wish me luck.  (smile) 

 

Mark

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 6:00 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

 

Oh goodness, that is pretty bad. I’d just have the phone on in pocket, and 
press Space with G twice, then space with lower H twice, then type R on the 
Braille display, and there I’d be, in the book. This is with BARD Mobile.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
Services for the Blind







On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:42 PM, alia robinson  wrote:

 

It has not gotten better!it is truly awful. you have to change input as well as 
output on your display, and if you touch the wrong things it changes volume or 
page or forgets where you left off. I can make it work but it’s hardly worth 
the trouble. in fact the book I’m reading now has the volumes mislabeled. 
volume 1 is actually volume 2, as if navigation weren’t awful enough. it’s just 
easier to read elsewhere.

On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Devin,

Do you use the BARD app for reading Braille?

The last time I tried using the BARD app with my Braille display, I couldn't 
make heads or tails of it.  

The navigation was atrocious, to say the least.  I got so confused and 
depressed, trying to figure it out, that I never tried it again, after that 
first attempt.  

This was back in iOS 9.  

Has it gotten better?  

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Re: Unwanted language switching in High Sierra

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Why is this?
Can you talk to the main apple team instead?
I don’t understand why the french translators wont talk to the blind community.
That is very very bad.
/A

> 11 dec. 2017 kl. 15:59 skrev Anne Robertson :
> 
> Hello Anders,
> 
> It seems to happen with just one voice installed and only French set as a 
> language. I don’t often use our French-language computer, except to answer 
> questions and when I know I’m going to have to teach something specific. My 
> own MacBook Air runs in English with a French voice installed, and I’m still 
> running Sierra as I don’t like the voice switching in High Sierra.
> As for the bad localisation into French, I assume that each country’s 
> subsidiary checks the localisation for their particular language and, 
> although for sighted people, the French localisation is fine, VoiceOver has 
> been acquiring more and more translation errors with each new level of the OS 
> since the betas became public.
> I know that Apple France won’t talk to any organisation working with 
> visually-impaired users of Apple products as many of us have tried to 
> communicate with them over the years.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11 Dec 2017, at 15:29, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anne!
>> I have not seen this issue in Hi Sierra with swedish localization.
>> Does it happens randomly and is it with multiple or just one tts installed?
>> I try to understand what’s going on really.
>> Its  strange that apple wont bother with the french localization for 
>> VoiceOver on the mac.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 9 dec. 2017 kl. 18:57 skrev Anne Robertson :
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> This is a question for anyone who runs High Sierra generally in another 
>>> language other than English.
>>> Many members of my French list are having a lot of trouble with VoiceOver 
>>> switching to the Alex voice for no apparent reason when they have a 
>>> perfectly good French voice selected in VoiceOver Utility.
>>> Does anyone have this trouble with a system that has been installed in 
>>> another language, or is it just another example of Apple France pretending 
>>> that VoiceOver doesn’t exist so they don’t have to worry about its 
>>> localisation?
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi Simon|

I can try this, but I assure that am not the only 1


On 12/11/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi Ramy,
>
>  Have you tried resetting the OS on your phone to see if it's just an
> installation issue?
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 11:36 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug
>
> Hi dear:
>
> don't think that it is related to my device, because some people here even
> they have the Iphone 5s, they have the same issue.
> so, I think it's something in some phones.
> but don't know if it's voice over issue or not
>
> Thanks anyway for your interest
>
> On 12/10/17, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> Hello Ramy,
>>
>> As far as I know, what you are experiencing is unique to your device.
>>
>> It may be helpful to conduct some test calls to determine what happens
>> immediately after a reboot of the phone, making certain to clear any
>> apps from the App-Switcher.
>>
>> It has been my experience that, regardless of what Apple purports,
>> certain apps can definitely impede call quality.
>>
>> Mark
>>
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>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug
>>
>> Hello all:
>>
>> I have my Iphone 6, after updated to ios 11, when answering a call, I
>> must wait 2 or 3 seconds to here the person's voice, he could not also
>> listen to my voice.
>> is this a voice over bug or general one?
>> is there a way to avoid this?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
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Re: High Seria - everything in finder identified as a "group"

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
On the finder desktop i can hear VoiceOver say group but its empty ofcorse.
/A

> 11 dec. 2017 kl. 02:27 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not experiencing that issue.  I don't recall having the issue either when 
> I first upgraded.  Not sure what's going on for you though.  Maybe a restart 
> might fix it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 10, 2017, at 18:24, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I just upgraded to HS and noticed something different in the finder.  
> voiceOver identifies almost everything as a group rather than as a folder, 
> application or other file type.  Is there a setting to change/correct this 
> behavior?
> 
> Chris
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Re: iTunes Versus CDs

[E.T.]

   I have what is probably the equivalent of well over 700 cd's which 
adds up to almost 40gigs. That is nothing for most people I am sure. 
Digital content is definitely easy to manage.


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On 12/10/2017 11:05 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Angus,

  ET does point out a big issue and that is space,
  CD's do after a while start taking up storage space I've got my 200 sitting 
in a cabinet where as my MP3 collection sits both in the cloud and on a shared 
harddrive from one of my servers.



So really it's up to what works for you.

As Tim says, no reason that ripping cd's into mp3 will allow you to have access 
to everything via airplay
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Hi,

With AirPlay and Bluetooth technologies nowadays, purchasing from iTunes allows 
you to share your music with whoever you wish in full stereo or surround sound. 
 All my music has either been ripped from CD, digitized from LP, or purchased 
from iTunes.  All songs are able to be played through my two audio receivers 
and one sound bar via AirPlay or through via Bluetooth to my Bose Mini 2.  The 
audio quality from a CD vs the high quality iTunes format is negligible unless 
you're using the digital outputs from the CD unit to the receiver.  Even then, 
unless you're an audio-file, I'm not certain that most people would notice the 
difference.

So, in my opinion, after that long-winded reply, I'd probably choose the iTunes 
version, but that's just my opinion.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 10, 2017, at 14:18, Mary Otten  wrote:

The CD will have better Fidelity. It might cost more. You could always rip it 
into iTunes at the best Fidelity your storage Will allow, then you get the best 
of both.


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 10, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

While I fully respect your question, it is a bit open ended.
Do you mean technically? in terms of sitting in your living room with the 
adorable stereo of your choice, verses wearing small headphones not sharing the 
musical magic with anyone?
Just one interpretation.
Kare


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comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson
Mandela.


On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Angus MacKinnon wrote:

I Have been thinking of buying some albums off iTunes. I got to wondering if 
their is an advantage of buying the CD. So, Is their any advantage of buying an 
album versus buying an album fromm iTunes? Thank you.

Angus MacKinnon

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Re: Unwanted language switching in High Sierra

[Oriol Gómez]

i reportedthis to Apple during the beta but... it didn't make it into
the final release I guess. report it as well please

On 12/11/17, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Oriol,
>
> Thank you for this. So it would seem to be a bug in High Sierra for
> languages other than English but something of a random one.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>
>> On 11 Dec 2017, at 15:32, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>> This happened to me on high sierra 13.2 eta. not sure if it happens in
>> final version because I clean installed the system completely in
>> English. I don't use French localization but Spanish.
>>
>> Hth.
>>
>> On 12/11/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> Hi Anne!
>>> I have not seen this issue in Hi Sierra with swedish localization.
>>> Does it happens randomly and is it with multiple or just one tts
>>> installed?
>>> I try to understand what’s going on really.
>>> Its  strange that apple wont bother with the french localization for
>>> VoiceOver on the mac.
>>> /A
>>>
 9 dec. 2017 kl. 18:57 skrev Anne Robertson :

 Hello everyone,

 This is a question for anyone who runs High Sierra generally in another
 language other than English.
 Many members of my French list are having a lot of trouble with
 VoiceOver
 switching to the Alex voice for no apparent reason when they have a
 perfectly good French voice selected in VoiceOver Utility.
 Does anyone have this trouble with a system that has been installed in
 another language, or is it just another example of Apple France
 pretending
 that VoiceOver doesn’t exist so they don’t have to worry about its
 localisation?
 Cheers,

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Re: Unwanted language switching in High Sierra

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Oriol,

Thank you for this. So it would seem to be a bug in High Sierra for languages 
other than English but something of a random one.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 11 Dec 2017, at 15:32, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> This happened to me on high sierra 13.2 eta. not sure if it happens in
> final version because I clean installed the system completely in
> English. I don't use French localization but Spanish.
> 
> Hth.
> 
> On 12/11/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> Hi Anne!
>> I have not seen this issue in Hi Sierra with swedish localization.
>> Does it happens randomly and is it with multiple or just one tts installed?
>> I try to understand what’s going on really.
>> Its  strange that apple wont bother with the french localization for
>> VoiceOver on the mac.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 9 dec. 2017 kl. 18:57 skrev Anne Robertson :
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> This is a question for anyone who runs High Sierra generally in another
>>> language other than English.
>>> Many members of my French list are having a lot of trouble with VoiceOver
>>> switching to the Alex voice for no apparent reason when they have a
>>> perfectly good French voice selected in VoiceOver Utility.
>>> Does anyone have this trouble with a system that has been installed in
>>> another language, or is it just another example of Apple France pretending
>>> that VoiceOver doesn’t exist so they don’t have to worry about its
>>> localisation?
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
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Re: Unwanted language switching in High Sierra

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Anders,

It seems to happen with just one voice installed and only French set as a 
language. I don’t often use our French-language computer, except to answer 
questions and when I know I’m going to have to teach something specific. My own 
MacBook Air runs in English with a French voice installed, and I’m still 
running Sierra as I don’t like the voice switching in High Sierra.
As for the bad localisation into French, I assume that each country’s 
subsidiary checks the localisation for their particular language and, although 
for sighted people, the French localisation is fine, VoiceOver has been 
acquiring more and more translation errors with each new level of the OS since 
the betas became public.
I know that Apple France won’t talk to any organisation working with 
visually-impaired users of Apple products as many of us have tried to 
communicate with them over the years.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 11 Dec 2017, at 15:29, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne!
> I have not seen this issue in Hi Sierra with swedish localization.
> Does it happens randomly and is it with multiple or just one tts installed?
> I try to understand what’s going on really.
> Its  strange that apple wont bother with the french localization for 
> VoiceOver on the mac.
> /A
> 
>> 9 dec. 2017 kl. 18:57 skrev Anne Robertson :
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> This is a question for anyone who runs High Sierra generally in another 
>> language other than English.
>> Many members of my French list are having a lot of trouble with VoiceOver 
>> switching to the Alex voice for no apparent reason when they have a 
>> perfectly good French voice selected in VoiceOver Utility.
>> Does anyone have this trouble with a system that has been installed in 
>> another language, or is it just another example of Apple France pretending 
>> that VoiceOver doesn’t exist so they don’t have to worry about its 
>> localisation?
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
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Re: Unwanted language switching in High Sierra

[Oriol Gómez]

Hi
This happened to me on high sierra 13.2 eta. not sure if it happens in
final version because I clean installed the system completely in
English. I don't use French localization but Spanish.

Hth.

On 12/11/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi Anne!
> I have not seen this issue in Hi Sierra with swedish localization.
> Does it happens randomly and is it with multiple or just one tts installed?
> I try to understand what’s going on really.
> Its  strange that apple wont bother with the french localization for
> VoiceOver on the mac.
> /A
>
>> 9 dec. 2017 kl. 18:57 skrev Anne Robertson :
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> This is a question for anyone who runs High Sierra generally in another
>> language other than English.
>> Many members of my French list are having a lot of trouble with VoiceOver
>> switching to the Alex voice for no apparent reason when they have a
>> perfectly good French voice selected in VoiceOver Utility.
>> Does anyone have this trouble with a system that has been installed in
>> another language, or is it just another example of Apple France pretending
>> that VoiceOver doesn’t exist so they don’t have to worry about its
>> localisation?
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
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Re: Unwanted language switching in High Sierra

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Anne!
I have not seen this issue in Hi Sierra with swedish localization.
Does it happens randomly and is it with multiple or just one tts installed?
I try to understand what’s going on really.
Its  strange that apple wont bother with the french localization for VoiceOver 
on the mac.
/A

> 9 dec. 2017 kl. 18:57 skrev Anne Robertson :
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> This is a question for anyone who runs High Sierra generally in another 
> language other than English.
> Many members of my French list are having a lot of trouble with VoiceOver 
> switching to the Alex voice for no apparent reason when they have a perfectly 
> good French voice selected in VoiceOver Utility.
> Does anyone have this trouble with a system that has been installed in 
> another language, or is it just another example of Apple France pretending 
> that VoiceOver doesn’t exist so they don’t have to worry about its 
> localisation?
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
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Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I guess there are more titles in Kindle too.
It seems that they’ve taking a big step forwards with braille in Ios then.
I have to try that as i have an Ipad mini 4.
Android can not compete in regards to braille.
/A

> 9 dec. 2017 kl. 15:47 skrev alia robinson :
> 
> kindle in braille is the best, much better than any other app like bard in 
> the us or ibooks.
> 
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
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> Hi, I did not know that you COULD read kindle books with braille. I thought 
> that was not possible. Now I will have to retry it, glad if I was mistaken in 
> this…
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Re: High Seria - everything in finder identified as a "group"

[Phil Halton]

I get the same message here in High Sierra, everything identified as “group“. I 
just ignore it hasn’t caused any problems.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Dec 10, 2017, at 10:01 PM, Gerry Cook  wrote:
> 
> Hi ET Tim and Chris,  I have the issue when i updated to hi sierra,  and on 
> chatting to apple accessibility, they said its a voiceover bug that 
> identifies folders as groups in column view with voiceover,  they claim its 
> just a terminology,  and they say it should be fix in future updates.  so 
> when i changed to list view,  i don’t seem to get as much.  that’s all the 
> information i was given.  all the best. 
> cheers gerry have a nice day
> Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
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> 
>> On 11 Dec 2017, at 1:20 pm, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>   I did not experience this either, but I had done a completely clean 
>> install.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 12/10/2017 5:27 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm not experiencing that issue.  I don't recall having the issue either 
>>> when I first upgraded.  Not sure what's going on for you though.  Maybe a 
>>> restart might fix it.
>>> Later...
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> On Dec 10, 2017, at 18:24, Chris Moore  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I just upgraded to HS and noticed something different in the finder.  
>>> voiceOver identifies almost everything as a group rather than as a folder, 
>>> application or other file type.  Is there a setting to change/correct this 
>>> behavior?
>>> Chris
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Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I wonder if its more easy to install Linux in a bootcamp partition such as 
Debian onto the mac.
Has anyone here tried to have both Osx and linux installed so that you can boot 
into linux and then shutdown linux and boot back into Hi Sierra for example.
/A

> 8 dec. 2017 kl. 07:16 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> HiJanina,
> 
> I don't think so as the installation of windows is actually to a new 
> partition which eventually becomes NTFS but starts the process as the AFS, 
> then after the partitioning in bootcamp is a GPT format, this I don't see as 
> an issue as the ISO file contains the required installation files and apple 
> can read from the ISO 
> 
> But yes I do see what you mean, putting things on to a flash drive will let 
> the windows installation work directly from that USB rather than through the 
> middle man AFS 
> 
> In all honesty the windows installation files can be found in one rather 
> simple smallish file
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Sent: Friday, 8 December 2017 2:22 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
> 
> I guess as I think about this a bit more, I think I understand the issue is 
> access to the file system housing the iso image. I suppose Microsoft and 
> Apple haven't decided to give Windows mounting access to afs.
> 
> 
> I understand about Windows drivers to run Windows on Apple hardware.
> That makes tons of sense. But, why not incloud the ability to mount afs in 
> the bundle and install Windows directly from the iso image that's required in 
> the Mac partition in the first place? That's the quaintness behind this 
> lament!
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Hi Janina
>> 
>> Well in simple terms it's called drivers!
>> 
>> Windows by default doesn't include the apple device drivers for all apple / 
>> mac computers in their ISO files.
>> 
>> What the installation process does is download to the USB the apple 
>> bootcamp device drivers for the installation and then once that is 
>> done it starts the full installation,
>> 
>> There ar some windows installation features but it's mainly the drivers on 
>> the usb.
>> 
>> Once it's created you should have a look at the content.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2017 8:49 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
>> 
>> Strange that bootcamp needs one to create a bootable stick, given how long 
>> that process takes.
>> 
>> It's quite common to install from an iso file, which bootcamp uses to create 
>> the USB stick. So, why can't it just install from the iso image like is so 
>> common in multiple environments, including with VMware on Mac, just to cite 
>> one example.
>> 
>> Just curious.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Aleeha Dudley writes:
>>> Hey all,
>>> I know there was a question a while back about this. Here’s a podcast that 
>>> shows you how to install Windows 10 with Bootcamp. without sighted 
>>> assistance. 
>>> The URL is: 
>>> https://iaccessibility.net/iacast-democast-14-installing-windows-on-
>>> a-
>>> mac-accessibly-with-bootcamp/
>>> I hope this helps someone.
>>> Aleeha
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Re: iPhone X cases?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Kliph and Simon,

Thanks for this info, Kliph.  Simon, I think I'm going to go with the one that 
Kliph has, but thanks.
Donna
> On Dec 11, 2017, at 4:06 AM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> donna, that case doesn’t stay closed, and it is not real secure, the reason I 
> didn’t like it is the phone stays in it unless you remove it from the inside 
> holder, whitch is more trouble than it is worth, especially since the phone 
> would be fullly exposed.  JMO
>> On Dec 11, 2017, at 4:13 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Would you by any chance want the apple folio x wallet case?
>> Leather unused ?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 1:44 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone X cases?
>> 
>> Hi Kliph, Simon, and Aleeha,
>> 
>> Thanks for the case suggestions.  I've used an OtterBox case  before, but 
>> like Kliph, I found it bulky.  I was looking at the LifeProof cases 
>> yesterday, but they're expensive, and now that phones are water-resistant, 
>> I'm not sure it's worth the money.  I'll take a look at the commuter series, 
>> though, to see if it's any less bulky, and the Apple leather case sounds 
>> intriguing.  Thanks, Kliph, for that, I didn't even know Apple made a 
>> leather case.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I tried to use the folyo case, but it didn’t stay closed, so I went with 
>>> the apple leather case and temperd glass.  I usually go with the oterbox 
>>> serious, but this time I wanted my phone to be less bulky.
 On Dec 9, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Have started looking at cases for my X.  Those of you who have this phone, 
 I'd love to hear what case you are using, and how well you like it.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: iPhone X cases?

[Kliphton Miller]

donna, that case doesn’t stay closed, and it is not real secure, the reason I 
didn’t like it is the phone stays in it unless you remove it from the inside 
holder, whitch is more trouble than it is worth, especially since the phone 
would be fullly exposed.  JMO
> On Dec 11, 2017, at 4:13 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Would you by any chance want the apple folio x wallet case?
> Leather unused ?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 1:44 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone X cases?
> 
> Hi Kliph, Simon, and Aleeha,
> 
> Thanks for the case suggestions.  I've used an OtterBox case  before, but 
> like Kliph, I found it bulky.  I was looking at the LifeProof cases 
> yesterday, but they're expensive, and now that phones are water-resistant, 
> I'm not sure it's worth the money.  I'll take a look at the commuter series, 
> though, to see if it's any less bulky, and the Apple leather case sounds 
> intriguing.  Thanks, Kliph, for that, I didn't even know Apple made a leather 
> case.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> I tried to use the folyo case, but it didn’t stay closed, so I went with the 
>> apple leather case and temperd glass.  I usually go with the oterbox 
>> serious, but this time I wanted my phone to be less bulky.
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Have started looking at cases for my X.  Those of you who have this phone, 
>>> I'd love to hear what case you are using, and how well you like it.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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RE: iPhone X cases?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 Would you by any chance want the apple folio x wallet case?
Leather unused ?

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Sent: Monday, 11 December 2017 1:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone X cases?

Hi Kliph, Simon, and Aleeha,

Thanks for the case suggestions.  I've used an OtterBox case  before, but like 
Kliph, I found it bulky.  I was looking at the LifeProof cases yesterday, but 
they're expensive, and now that phones are water-resistant, I'm not sure it's 
worth the money.  I'll take a look at the commuter series, though, to see if 
it's any less bulky, and the Apple leather case sounds intriguing.  Thanks, 
Kliph, for that, I didn't even know Apple made a leather case.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> I tried to use the folyo case, but it didn’t stay closed, so I went with the 
> apple leather case and temperd glass.  I usually go with the oterbox serious, 
> but this time I wanted my phone to be less bulky.
>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Have started looking at cases for my X.  Those of you who have this phone, 
>> I'd love to hear what case you are using, and how well you like it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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