Re: Claimed bug in Macintosh Safari.

[Scott Berry]

We do need to file that with accessibility since it’s been an outstanding bug 
Jonathan.



> On Jan 30, 2018, at 7:10 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hey folks do you think we should push Apple Accessibility on this? This has 
> to do with Popup boxes where multiple items can be selected. I haven't tried 
> out this specific widget but Brian writes these widgets using HTML5+ARIA so 
> that there are W3C standards backing his models.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Bryan Garaventa > >
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Examples of comboboxes supporting multiple selected
>> options
>> Date: January 30, 2018 at 8:43:24 PM EST
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List > >
>> Reply-To: WebAIM Discussion List > >
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Actually you are encountering a bug in Safari
>> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167680 
>>  
>> This has been a bug in Safari for years, it would be nice if Apple would 
>> finally get around to fixing it. I remember first mentioning this to them 
>> back in 2012.
>> 
>> In regard to Chrome, Chrome is not a browser that is best supported in 
>> combination with mainstream screen readers, especially in regard to complex 
>> interactive ARIA widget constructs.
>> 
>> The following is an editable version of the same functionality, which is 
>> more applicable to your email analogy.
>> http://whatsock.com/tsg/Coding%20Arena/ARIA%20Comboboxes/ARIA%20Comboboxes%20(Native%20Inputs,%20Multiselect%20Editable%20with%20Substring%20Match)/demo.htm
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The following steps were tested using JAWS2018 and NVDA in IE11, Firefox, 
>> and Chrome Canary, and aside from issues where NVDA is not announcing live 
>> regions properly nor the correct selected state in IE11, nor is JAWS 
>> announcing live regions properly in Chrome, all of them are functionally 
>> accessible regardless.
>> 
>> 1. Open the test page above with JAWS or NVDA running in either IE11, 
>> Firefox, or Chrome Canary.
>> 
>> 2. Set focus into the editable Combobox, and type "hu".
>> 
>> 3. After the autopopulated list appears, press the Down arrow to enter the 
>> dropdown list, then press Up and Down to move within the filtered results 
>> and press the Spacebar to check the desired options.
>> 
>> 4. Press Enter to save your selections, then type "sci" in the edit field to 
>> bring up a new list of search results.
>> 
>> 5. Press Down to enter the dropdown and move up and down within the list and 
>> press the Spacebar to check your desired authors, then press the Tab key to 
>> save your selections and move to the next element in the tab order, which is 
>> the Clear button.
>> 
>> You can see your selections within a list below the buttons. When using JAWS 
>> in Chrome, it may be necessary to press Insert+Escape to refresh the virtual 
>> buffer because it is not updating properly when dynamic content changes 
>> occur at times, which is a JAWS bug.
>> 
>> 
>> Bryan Garaventa
>> Accessibility Fellow
>> Level Access, Inc.
>> bryan.garave...@levelaccess.com 
>> 415.624.2709 (o)
>> www.LevelAccess.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto:webaim-forum-boun...@list.webaim.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Sean Curtis
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:32 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Examples of comboboxes supporting multiple selected 
>> options
>> 
>> Hi Bryan,
>> 
>> I tried the whatsock version out in both Chrome and Safari using Voiceover, 
>> but while the component communicated open state, moving through suggestions 
>> and selecting them did not work. Is this due to poor support by VO, the 
>> browsers, or a combination of both?
>> 
>> I tried
>> http://whatsock.com/tsg/Coding%20Arena/ARIA%20Comboboxes/ARIA%20Comboboxes%20(Native%20Inputs,%20Multiselect%20Editable%20with%20Substring%20Match)/demo.htm
>> as well but ran into the same issue. The example you linked to does list the 
>> selected values on the page, but these can't be cleared out without 
>> searching for them in the list first.
>> 
>> The combobox style most commonly used is like the "Contributors (async)"
>> example on https://jedwatson.github.io/react-select/
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Sean
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Bryan Garaventa < 
>> bryan.garave...@levelaccess.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> This implementation combines the ARIA Combobox design pattern plus the 
>>> checkable ARIA Listbox patterns to accomplish this accessibly.

Claimed bug in Macintosh Safari.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hey folks do you think we should push Apple Accessibility on this? This has to 
do with Popup boxes where multiple items can be selected. I haven't tried out 
this specific widget but Brian writes these widgets using HTML5+ARIA so that 
there are W3C standards backing his models.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Bryan Garaventa 
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Examples of comboboxes supporting multiple selected 
> options
> Date: January 30, 2018 at 8:43:24 PM EST
> To: WebAIM Discussion List 
> Reply-To: WebAIM Discussion List 
> 
> Hi,
> Actually you are encountering a bug in Safari
> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167680 
> This has been a bug in Safari for years, it would be nice if Apple would 
> finally get around to fixing it. I remember first mentioning this to them 
> back in 2012.
> 
> In regard to Chrome, Chrome is not a browser that is best supported in 
> combination with mainstream screen readers, especially in regard to complex 
> interactive ARIA widget constructs.
> 
> The following is an editable version of the same functionality, which is more 
> applicable to your email analogy.
> http://whatsock.com/tsg/Coding%20Arena/ARIA%20Comboboxes/ARIA%20Comboboxes%20(Native%20Inputs,%20Multiselect%20Editable%20with%20Substring%20Match)/demo.htm
>  
> 
> The following steps were tested using JAWS2018 and NVDA in IE11, Firefox, and 
> Chrome Canary, and aside from issues where NVDA is not announcing live 
> regions properly nor the correct selected state in IE11, nor is JAWS 
> announcing live regions properly in Chrome, all of them are functionally 
> accessible regardless.
> 
> 1. Open the test page above with JAWS or NVDA running in either IE11, 
> Firefox, or Chrome Canary.
> 
> 2. Set focus into the editable Combobox, and type "hu".
> 
> 3. After the autopopulated list appears, press the Down arrow to enter the 
> dropdown list, then press Up and Down to move within the filtered results and 
> press the Spacebar to check the desired options.
> 
> 4. Press Enter to save your selections, then type "sci" in the edit field to 
> bring up a new list of search results.
> 
> 5. Press Down to enter the dropdown and move up and down within the list and 
> press the Spacebar to check your desired authors, then press the Tab key to 
> save your selections and move to the next element in the tab order, which is 
> the Clear button.
> 
> You can see your selections within a list below the buttons. When using JAWS 
> in Chrome, it may be necessary to press Insert+Escape to refresh the virtual 
> buffer because it is not updating properly when dynamic content changes occur 
> at times, which is a JAWS bug.
> 
> 
> Bryan Garaventa
> Accessibility Fellow
> Level Access, Inc.
> bryan.garave...@levelaccess.com
> 415.624.2709 (o)
> www.LevelAccess.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto:webaim-forum-boun...@list.webaim.org] On Behalf Of 
> Sean Curtis
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:32 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Examples of comboboxes supporting multiple selected 
> options
> 
> Hi Bryan,
> 
> I tried the whatsock version out in both Chrome and Safari using Voiceover, 
> but while the component communicated open state, moving through suggestions 
> and selecting them did not work. Is this due to poor support by VO, the 
> browsers, or a combination of both?
> 
> I tried
> http://whatsock.com/tsg/Coding%20Arena/ARIA%20Comboboxes/ARIA%20Comboboxes%20(Native%20Inputs,%20Multiselect%20Editable%20with%20Substring%20Match)/demo.htm
> as well but ran into the same issue. The example you linked to does list the 
> selected values on the page, but these can't be cleared out without searching 
> for them in the list first.
> 
> The combobox style most commonly used is like the "Contributors (async)"
> example on https://jedwatson.github.io/react-select/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Sean
> 
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Bryan Garaventa < 
> bryan.garave...@levelaccess.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> This implementation combines the ARIA Combobox design pattern plus the 
>> checkable ARIA Listbox patterns to accomplish this accessibly.
>> http://whatsock.com/tsg/Coding%20Arena/ARIA%20Comboboxes/ARIA%
>> 20Comboboxes%20(Simulated,%20Readonly%20Multiselect)/demo.htm
>> 
>> This is included within the TSG Combobox section at
>> http://whatsock.com/tsg/#tgl-2-22
>> And within the Coding Arena archive at https://github.com/accdc/tsg
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> Bryan
>> 
>> 
>> Bryan Garaventa
>> Accessibility Fellow
>> Level Access, Inc.
>> bryan.garave...@levelaccess.com
>> 415.624.2709 (o)
>> www.LevelAccess.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto:webaim-forum-boun...@list.webaim.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sean Curtis
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:35 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion 

Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi ET,
Absolutely correct!
Proper communication especially when corresponding to companies about 
accessibility is imperative!
Miss spellings & vulgarities does not impress anybody!
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Jan 30, 2018, at 6:42 PM, E.T. wrote:

>   What kind of wine do you want?
> 
>   The world is going down the tubes because more and more people do not deem 
> language skills important enough, written or oral. The use of, and the 
> support of, gutter language shows a lack of self respect and self esteem. As 
> well as a less then decent education.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 1/30/2018 3:31 PM, lenron brown wrote:
>> Goddess are people really going to wine about this? The fact that
>> someone had to wine about an article that was sent just talking about
>> the home pods all because it had one swear word is nuts. Get over it.
>> On 1/30/18, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> What 5 and that's being mean to a 5 year old.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2018 5:09 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
>>> 
>>> I echo this. You can tell the age by the less than mature language
>>> used.
>>> 
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the
>>> challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God
>>> did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 1/30/2018 8:03 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Mark,
 
 Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but
 the latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.
 
 Deal with it as you will.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 *From: *Oriol Gómez >
 *Subject: **Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the
 HomePod*
 *Date: *January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
 *To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 *Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 
 Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
 Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.
 
 Hth.
 
 On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes > wrote:
> Oh no! Sorry about that...
> 
> Maria Reyes
> Owner of the Apple 411 list:
> apple411+subscr...@groups.io 
> Click this link to join the Apple 411 WhatsApp group:
> https://chat.whatsapp.com/0bMtIrmqoyzJwnbRjqjPsO
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark,
>> Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the
>> list. I expect there would be children and those of us who object to
>> this kind of language. The person should have sent a link with a
>> warning.
>> Thank you for all you do on these lists.
>> All the best.
>> Max.
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
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>>> Subject: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
>>> Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
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Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[Tim Kilburn]

lenron,

The noise that is being made by the majority of the people is not to do with 
the single foul word in the linked article, but with the unnecessary response 
by a specific poster.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 30, 2018, at 16:31, lenron brown  wrote:

Goddess are people really going to wine about this? The fact that
someone had to wine about an article that was sent just talking about
the home pods all because it had one swear word is nuts. Get over it.

On 1/30/18, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> What 5 and that's being mean to a 5 year old.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2018 5:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
> 
>I echo this. You can tell the age by the less than mature language
> used.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the
> challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God
> did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 1/30/2018 8:03 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Mark,
>> 
>> Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but
>> the latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.
>> 
>> Deal with it as you will.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> *From: *Oriol Gómez > >
>> *Subject: **Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the
>> HomePod*
>> *Date: *January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
>> *To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> *Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> 
>> Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
>> Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.
>> 
>> Hth.
>> 
>> On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes > > wrote:
>>> Oh no! Sorry about that...
>>> 
>>> Maria Reyes
>>> Owner of the Apple 411 list:
>>> apple411+subscr...@groups.io 
>>> Click this link to join the Apple 411 WhatsApp group:
>>> https://chat.whatsapp.com/0bMtIrmqoyzJwnbRjqjPsO
>>> 
 On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
 wrote:
 
 Hello Mark,
 Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the
 list. I expect there would be children and those of us who object to
 this kind of language. The person should have sent a link with a
 warning.
 Thank you for all you do on these lists.
 All the best.
 Max.
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
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> Subject: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
> Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
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Re: OCR on Mac

[Alex Hall]

Prizmo is a pretty good solution, or was when I tried it a couple years ago. If 
you can stand to wait, they sometimes run sales. DocuScan Plus I've heard 
mentioned, but I don't know its status these days.

--
Alex Hall




> On Jan 30, 2018, at 16:51, James AUSTIN  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone
> 
> Many years ago  I purchased ABBEYFineReader Pro. What with one thing and 
> another, I am now looking for a different OCR app. Can anyone recommend 
> anything please? All I need to do is to be able to OCR PDFs to create 
> accessible versions  under MS Word.
> 
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated. i have searched on the Appstore and 
> I was pleased to see over 150 results.  As I say, any advice would be very 
> welcome.
> 
> Thank you
> My best wishes
> James 
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Re: test please ignore.

[Jonathan Cohn]

OK, since everybody is jumping on this one, I opened up MacVisionaries on the 
GoogleGroups web site and click on contact owner.

Perhaps either the footer will be corrected or the + routing used by Google 
will be trained to go to the proper place. I am now going to review my own 
GoogleGroups list and see what shows up there.

BTW if anybody wants to discuss AppleScript or automations of Macintosh things 
on a quieter list my Blind Automation list is still available.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 30, 2018, at 5:28 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ok guys and girls,
> 
> What I want to know is 
> 
> Did we pass the test or fail it?
> 
> I'm not sure what I put as an answer for question 3.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2018 8:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: test please ignore.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Came to the entire group Jonathan.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 12:23, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
>  Its been verified many times already. Anything addressed to that moderator 
> address goes to the group.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the 
> challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did 
> it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 1/30/2018 11:19 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> There are claims this will go to the list.
>> Mark if you get this directly it would be great to know.
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Re: Disregard message, was Re: Deleting books in iBooks that you have purchased

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Tim,

We're all entitled to the occasional pout.  
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 9:02 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It's no problem Donna.  It was actually a tongue in cheek comment.  I just 
> had to make it known that my bottom lip was stuck out in a pout.  A very 
> mature gesture :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 04:09, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> I'm so sorry for causing you extra work, Tim.  You are always so helpful to 
> the list.  If it helps, I saved your instructions in case I ever have this 
> problem again.  It's one of those things that I just don't have to do very 
> often, so when it comes up, I have to re-teach myself how to do it.  So, odds 
> are good that I'll be referring to those instructions at some time in the 
> future. :) 
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 10:43 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Looks like I should read more messages before I respond.  I just typed out a 
>> bunch of instructions and it looks like I didn't need to :).  Bummer.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 20:36, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry, Tim, I got it to work.  Thanks for the help.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> I'm very confused.  I don't see anything following the link you provided.  
>>> I see something that says Hide a Book, but when I try to click on it, 
>>> nothing happens.  I'm still running Sierra, if that matters.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jan 29, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Using the following link:
 
 https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/ibooks/hide-purchased-books-ibksa4e88313/mac
  
 
 
 It shows you how to hide/unhide books in your iBooks library.  Note that 
 this will hide the book on all your devices.  It's slightly different with 
 VO, but, for the most part, just interact with the title when you find it 
 in the Purchased list, then interact more until you can press the "Hide" 
 button.  A confirmation dialog will appear after you've hit the hide so 
 that you'll know it worked.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:19, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have some books that I purchased and I books that I would like to 
 completely hide. Does anyone know how to do this? There doesn’t seem to be 
 any obvious delete option.
 Cheers,
 Donna Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[lenron brown]

Hahahaha your amusing sir.

On 1/30/18, E.T.  wrote:
> Its not worth your time to bother with.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 1/30/2018 3:34 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> I don’t even see the original article, so now you’ve all got me curious.
>> Where did it go?
>>> On Jan 30, 2018, at 6:31 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
>>>
>>> Goddess are people really going to wine about this? The fact that
>>> someone had to wine about an article that was sent just talking about
>>> the home pods all because it had one swear word is nuts. Get over it.
>>>
>>> On 1/30/18, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 What 5 and that's being mean to a 5 year old.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
 Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2018 5:09 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Fwd: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the
 HomePod

 I echo this. You can tell the age by the less than mature language
 used.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all
 the
 challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say
 God
 did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 1/30/2018 8:03 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but
> the latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.
>
> Deal with it as you will.
>
> Later...
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *Oriol Gómez  >
> *Subject: **Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the
> HomePod*
> *Date: *January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
> *To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
>
> Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
> Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.
>
> Hth.
>
> On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes  > wrote:
>> Oh no! Sorry about that...
>>
>> Maria Reyes
>> Owner of the Apple 411 list:
>> apple411+subscr...@groups.io 
>> Click this link to join the Apple 411 WhatsApp group:
>> https://chat.whatsapp.com/0bMtIrmqoyzJwnbRjqjPsO
>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Mark,
>>> Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the
>>> list. I expect there would be children and those of us who object to
>>> this kind of language. The person should have sent a link with a
>>> warning.
>>> Thank you for all you do on these lists.
>>> All the best.
>>> Max.
 Begin forwarded message:

 From: Maria Reyes 
 Subject: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
 Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com, viph...@googlegroups.com
 Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

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iPhone X: 5 things we love about Apple's best phone, CNET

[M. Taylor]

iPhone X: Five things I absolutely love
Other than the big screen and slim bezels.
January 30, 2018 4:00 AM PST
 
By Sarah Tew, CNET 
 
One of the most daring -- and expensive -- phones of 2017, the iPhone X has
some great design and software features that attempt to justify the
stratospheric $1,000 price. It's got ultraslim bezels and an all-screen
face, an excellent camera and cutting-edge face-scanning technology.
Of course, the iPhone X has more than a few maddening feature flaws that
make me shake my head in disappointment, but after using the iPhone X for
over two months, I've come to really love some of the subtler changes. They
successfully make the X much smoother and more useful than previous iPhones.
And when you're using the phone for hours a day, every day, even small
conveniences add up.
Here are the five that made the biggest impression on me, plus one runner-up
that needs a little work.

Lock screen notifications for your eyes only
iPhone X gets cryptic with messages until you make eye contact.
Your notifications and alerts aren't anyone's business but your own, which
is what makes this anti-Peeping Tom feature so great.
Give the lock screen a sidelong glance and your list of notifications simply
shows you the apps that are alerting you: Gmail, text, Facebook Messenger
and so on. 
But when the iPhone X's depth-sensing Face ID camera recognizes you, the
details of the alert fill in. You suddenly see the sender and the actual
message; either the full text if it's short or an excerpt if it's long. 
When Android phones begin adding similar advanced face-scanning technology
-- remember, Qualcomm is making this technology available to all phones that
use its Snapdragon 845 chipset -- I expect to see them adopt this approach,
too.

Face ID saves time logging into websites
Face ID doesn't always work when I want it to, but when it does, it can
whisk me right into password-protected websites such as Amazon and my bank.
That saves me from having to type my password a million times. It works
similarly to registering your fingerprint to access a site -- except you
literally never have to lift a finger.
This is a feature you opt-in to, so you don't have to use it if you prefer
tight password control. You can also use Face ID to authenticate purchases,
but that'll happen on a seller-by-seller basis.

Fancy portrait selfies
You can take selfies with the same cool lighting effects as you can with the
rear cameras.
With the iPhone X, Apple wants you to take even more portrait shots. 
Both the iPhone 8 Plus and iPhone X give you new portrait lighting options
(in beta) to give Bokeh-effect photos some additional theatrical drama. But
only the iPhone X extends the same courtesies to the front-facing camera.
Flip over to selfie mode and you're able to tap Portrait to gently blur the
background and make your mug pop. You'll also be able to choose from
lighting options: natural, studio, contour, stage and stage light mono.
These can make a big difference in rounding out your self-portrait.
One thing to keep in mind: While Apple uses two rear cameras to achieve
portrait mode on the iPhone X, 8 Plus and 7 Plus, portrait mode selfies rely
on a single camera lens, assisted by software. Don't expect the same level
of quality and detail as dual-camera portrait mode.
Check out what happens when you try taking portraits with the front-facing
camera.

Easier app switching
The typical way to flip from one open app to another is to swipe up from the
iPhone X's bottom edge until a carousel of apps appears, and then swipe
right to leaf through those.
Another way that I find faster is to place your finger at the edge of the
bottom bezel and then flick right. That opens your latest apps in
full-screen mode -- the above carousel method shows you shrunken "thumbnail"
versions that you can then expand once you've selected the one you want.
This is especially useful if you want to go to app you opened immediately
before.
 
Tap to wake
Taking a page from Android phones, the iPhone X introduces tap-to-wake
features, which means that when the screen is locked, you can tap the
display to see the lock screen. (You can also raise the phone to wake the
iPhone 6s and newer, and the iPhone SE.)
When your iPhone's buddied up to you on a table or desk, tap-to-wake is a
convenient way to see the time and date or the battery and Wi-Fi status.
Plus you can peep your (obscured) notifications without having to unlock the
phone, or even lift it.

Runner-up: Maps navigation shortcut
When you're in Google or Apple Maps, in the phone app or in voice memos and
open any other app, a colored indicator bubble appears around the iPhone X's
clock.
You can tap this bubble from any screen you're in to immediately return to
your ongoing navigation, phone call or voice memo. It's a terrific,
time-saving shortcut that I absolutely love.
The only problem is that once you're back in the navigation, voice memo or
wherever, you can't tap the same space to toggle 

CDMA vs. GSM Phone Networks: What's the Difference?, Digital Trends

[M. Taylor]

CDMA vs. GSM: What's the difference between these cellular standards?
By Brendan Hesse - Posted on January 30, 2018 9:04 am 
 
If you're in the market for a new smartphone or carrier - or you're simply
interested in cell phone networks - you've likely encountered the acronyms
CDMA and GSM before. But what are they, and how do they affect your phone?

The two cellular standards function in different regions and allow for
global communication between individuals, and each converts incoming and
outgoing data into radio waves differently. Neither should be a huge factor
when buying a cell phone (unlike 4G and LTE), but it's definitely worth
knowing your stuff, since not all cell phones are guaranteed to work on both
standard. It depends on where you are, what you're looking for, and who
you're with.

GSM explained

The iPhone 7 is a smartphone that typically functions on a GSM network.
GSM stands for Global System for Mobile Communication, and unless you live
in the United States or Russia, this is probably the technology your phone
network uses, given it's the standard system for most of the world. GSM
networks use TDMA, which stands for Time Division Multiple Access. TDMA
works by assigning time slots to multiple conversation streams, alternating
them in sequence and switching between each conversation in very short
intervals. During these intervals, phones can transmit their information. In
order for the network to know which users are connected to the network, each
phone uses a subscriber identification module card, or SIM card.
SIM cards are one of the key features of GSM networks. They house your
service subscription, network identification, and address book information.
The cards are also used to assign time slots to the phone conversation, and
moreover, they tell the network what services you have access to. They store
your address book, too, along with relative contact information. They can
even be used to pass information between phones, if a carrier allows it.

CDMA explained
 
The Google Pixel XL is a smartphone that runs on a CDMA network.
CDMA - or Code Division Multiple Access - is often found in the U.S and
Russia, though GSM is also present in those countries. The Allied Forces
developed the technology during World War II, primarily as a method to
prevent Nazi forces from jamming radio signals. Unlike GSM, CDMA grants
users full access to the entire spectrum of bands, thus allowing more users
to connect at any given time. It also encodes each user's individual
conversation via a pseudo-randomized digital sequence, meaning the voice
data remains protected and filtered so that only those participating in the
phone call receive the data.
Phones on CDMA networks do not use SIM cards. Instead, each phone is built
specifically to work on that carrier's network. What does this mean for
consumers? For starters, it means that phones are tied to a carrier and
their bands, so if you decide to change providers, you'll have to buy a new
phone.

Is one better than the other?
 
Huawei's phones very rarely support CDMA
Not necessarily. Both are the global standards for cell communication. The
major factor affecting call quality is the network itself, not the method it
uses to transmit information. Of course, there are some things to keep in
mind when it comes time to choose between CDMA and GSM phones. For starters,
CDMA phones without SIM slots are tied to their carriers, and cannot be
transferred to other networks. A Verizon phone could not be transferred to
Sprint's network, for instance, or vice versa. But sometimes it's not as cut
and dried as all that - although some Verizon devices do use CDMA, they also
have an unlocked SIM slot, so could be unlocked for use on other networks.
Sprint is less forthcoming with unlocked SIM slots when its devices do
contain one, but you can usually find ways get your carrier to unlock your
phone when you're done with them.
In contrast, GSM phones are fairly easy to unlock and transfer to other
networks. Additionally, third-party manufacturers often sell phones designed
for GSM networks, since they don't require access to a specific carrier's
bands. GSM phones will even work in countries with compatible GSM networks.
CDMA networks allow for a greater number of users, meaning their capacity
for communication is greater than that of GSM networks. Moreover, CDMA is
the infrastructure on which all 3G networks are based - for both GSM and
CDMA carriers. However, there's now a third type of network that is quickly
becoming the frontrunner in terms of quality, with many major cell phone
companies quickly adopting it. Dubbed LTE for Long-Term Evolution, the
technology represents an evolved form of GSM, and uses a similar technology
as GSM networks. The new standard boasts enhanced voice quality and
functions as the base of high-speed, 4G data networks. In this case, LTE
does have an edge over the competition in terms of overall speed and
quality.
If you're a U.S. customer and 

How to switch Apple IDs on your iPhone or iPad, iMore

[M. Taylor]

How to switch Apple IDs on your iPhone or iPad
You can switch iCloud accounts on your iPhone and iPad with just a few taps.
By Lory Gil, 30 Jan 2018
 
Your Apple ID is what connects you to all of the content in the Apple
ecosystem - your Apple Music, your apps, your audio books, your podcast
subscriptions, and everything you store and back up in iCloud. There are, on
some occasions, reasons why you might want to sign out of one Apple ID and
into another. Whatever your reason, I'm hear to help.

This guide is for switching the Apple ID signed into your iPhone or iPad. If
you want to actually change your Apple ID, you should check out our guide to
managing your Apple ID.
How to change and manage your Apple ID
If you'd like to switch the Apple ID being used on your iPhone or iPad, read
on!
.   What happens to the content when you switch Apple IDs
.   Step 1: Sign out of your current Apple ID
.   Step 2: Sign in with a different Apple ID

What happens to the content when you switch Apple IDs
Depending on whether you keep content on your iPhone or iPad or erase it,
some of your data will stay on your iPhone, even after you switch. For
example, contacts, photos, and calendar events that are on your iPhone (and
not only in iCloud) will remain. Apps, music, books, and podcast
subscriptions will also remain on your iPhone, but updating them will be a
problem if you're signed into a different iTunes or App Store account than
the one you purchased them on.

When signing in to a different Apple ID, you'll be able to merge content on
your iPhone with the iCloud data associated with the other Apple ID. So, if
you signed out of a work Apple ID and want to keep your work contacts on the
iPhone, save them to your iPhone and then merge them when you sign in to
your personal Apple ID.
Step 1: Sign out of your current Apple ID
1.  Launch the Settings app on your iPhone or iPad.
2.  Tap your Apple ID banner at the top of the screen.
3.  Scroll to the bottom and tap Sign Out.
 
4.  Tap Sign out of iCloud if you have different accounts for iCloud and
the iTunes and App Stores. Otherwise, proceed to Step 5. 
5.  Enter the password associated with your Apple ID.
6.  Tap Turn Off.
 
7.  Turn on the category for any data you want to save on your iPhone.
Remember, when you switch accounts, the data on your iPhone will merge with
the new Apple ID data.
8.  Tap Sign Out.
9.  Tap Sign out again to confirm that you want to sign out.
 
Step 2: Sign in with a different Apple ID
Now you can sign in to your iPhone or iPad with a different Apple ID.
1.  Launch the Settings app on your iPhone or iPad.
2.  Tap **Sign in to your iPhone (or iPad).
 
3.  Tap Email and enter the email address associated with the different
Apple ID.
4.  Enter the Password associated with the different Apple ID.
5.  Tap Merge if you want to merge the data on your iPhone with the
iCloud account associated with the different Apple ID. Tap Don't Merge if
you don't want the content on the iPhone uploaded to iCloud in the different
Apple ID's account.
 
Any questions?
Do you have any questions about switching from one Apple ID to another on
your iPhone or iPad? Put them in the comments and I'll help you out.

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Apple Pushes Back Some Key iPhone Software Features, Bloomberg

[M. Taylor]

Apple Pushes Back Some Key iPhone Software Features
by Mark GurmanJanuary 30, 2018, 7:33 AM PST

Apple Inc. executives, seeking to improve the performance of iPhone software
after months of reported quality issues, have decided to delay some key
features originally planned for this fall's update, according to a person
familiar with the matter.
As part of an annual release of new iPhone models, Apple also usually rolls
out a major iOS update each year. The current software version, iOS 11,
added augmented-reality features, a file management app and business-user
enhancements for the iPad. For iOS 12, Apple has been working on additions
like a redesigned home screen app grid, a multiplayer mode for augmented
reality games, and a merger of the third-party applications running on
iPhones and Macs, the people said, asking not to be named discussing
information that isn't public. 
While core features like the combined apps platform are still on schedule to
be introduced this year, some flashier changes like the redesigned home
screen will likely be held back until the 2019 software update, a person
familiar with the matter said. The company will also probably delay a
revamped photo management application that used new algorithms to better
automatically sort pictures, though some smaller upgrades to the Photos app
will still appear this year.

The shift in strategy comes following months of criticism due to bugs found
in Apple's software. Late last year, researchers discovered a login flaw
that allowed intruders to access files without a passcode on Mac computers
and vulnerabilities in the company's smart-home platform. Apple has also
publicly delayed key new iOS features in recent months, including a feature
for synchronizing text messages across Apple devices and its peer to peer
payments system, Apple Pay Cash. 
New features for parents to better monitor how long apps are being used for
by kids and their overall screen time, as well as improvements to Apple's
FaceTime video calling service are still on track for this year's update,
the people said. A shareholder group recently criticized the parental
control on iPhones, pushing Apple to say earlier this month that
improvements would be released in a future software update.

The company told its software engineering groups about the change this
month, one of the people said. The shift will also affect this year's update
to Mac computer software, but to a lesser degree, the person said, adding
that planned upgrades to Apple Watch and Apple TV software won't be
affected.
Axios reported earlier on the delay. An Apple spokeswoman declined to
comment. The company reports quarterly earnings on Thursday.
This isn't the first time Apple has told engineers that focus should be on
performance rather than new features. Apple made a similar push in 2015 with
the release of iOS 9 and for Mac software updates in recent years.

Earlier this month, Apple said it would release an update for iPhones called
iOS 11.3 that would allow customers to disable a feature that slowed iPhone
performance in favor of battery life. The update will also have improved AR
apps, new video modes for Apple Music and Apple News, and security
enhancements for smart-home appliances.  

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Why can't iPhone owners just accept the fact that Google can save them?, BGR

[M. Taylor]

Why can't iPhone owners just accept the fact that Google can save them?
By h Epstein

There shouldn't be much question at this point that Apple tends to put a bit
more thought into its products than rivals. Perhaps that's why so many
consumer electronics companies have copied Apple products over the years.
The good news is Apple has forced other companies to up their game, and up
it they have. Android phone makers now put far more time and energy into
product design and unique feature than they ever have in the past. Remember
how ugly, cheap, and plasticky Samsung's flagship phones used to be? Now
they're stunning, and Samsung fans have Apple to thank; Samsung simply
couldn't continue to get away with releasing crummy plastic phones while
Apple sold sleek iPhones made of glass and metal.
Apple doesn't just put more thought into its products than rivals, however.
It also seems to put more thought into how to make money. A perfect example
is Apple's move to add exclusive features and upgrades to its more expensive
Plus model iPhones, thus adding further encouragement for consumers to opt
for higher-margin iPhones. Again, Samsung will finally catch up with this
smart strategy in 2018 when it launches the Galaxy S9 and Galaxy S9+.

Another example is storage. Unlike most other smartphone companies, Apple
refuses to add microSD support to its iPhones. The main reason for this, of
course, is that it forces people who want more local storage to buy more
expensive, higher-margin iPhone models. While it's a brilliant move on
Apple's part, this is an example of a smart business strategy that is
decidedly anti-consumer. What many iPhone users still don't seem to realize
or don't want to accept, however, is that Google can save them from spending
that extra cash on an iPhone with more storage.

Google is one of Apple's top rivals in a few key areas. Of course, Android
is the one most people focus on since Apple and Google own the two biggest
mobile platforms in the world. Google isn't a platform company, however.
It's a services company and an advertising company.
Android exists as a delivery mechanism for Google's various software and
services, and it serves its purpose quite well. But it would be silly of
Google to confine its services to Android. Google wants access to as many
users as possible, so it supports every popular software platform it can.
That obviously includes iOS. Google would never confine its services to
Android like Apple does with most of its software services. Apple is a
hardware company and it uses software and services to lock customers in. In
a way, Apple is Google's opposite.

That brings us to one of my personal favorite Google services, Google
Photos. For those unaware, Google offers a service that includes unlimited
storage for high-quality photos and videos for free. Well, for "free" - the
price of most Google services is access to your data, of course. That's a
price many people happily pay, myself included.
iPhone users have been running out of storage space ever since the first
iPhone was released more than a decade ago. In 2017, there are two main
culprits. The lesser issue is typically the Messages app, since many people
are unaware that all those photos and videos they receive are stored locally
on their phones. That often adds up to gigabytes upon gigabytes of storage
that gets gobbled up by media that will never be viewed again.

The bigger issue, of course, is all the storage that's eaten up by photos
and videos captured by the iPhone itself.
As smartphone camera quality continues to improve with each new smartphone
generation, photo and video sizes get bigger and bigger. Apple's new
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makes sharing photos with anyone who doesn't also have an iPhone a huge
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Formats and selecting "Most Compatible.")

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Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[E.T.]

   Its not worth your time to bother with.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 1/30/2018 3:34 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:

I don’t even see the original article, so now you’ve all got me curious.  Where 
did it go?

On Jan 30, 2018, at 6:31 PM, lenron brown  wrote:

Goddess are people really going to wine about this? The fact that
someone had to wine about an article that was sent just talking about
the home pods all because it had one swear word is nuts. Get over it.

On 1/30/18, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

What 5 and that's being mean to a 5 year old.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2018 5:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

I echo this. You can tell the age by the less than mature language
used.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the
challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God
did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 1/30/2018 8:03 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Mark,

Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but
the latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.

Deal with it as you will.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

Begin forwarded message:

*From: *Oriol Gómez >
*Subject: **Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the
HomePod*
*Date: *January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
*To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com


Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.

Hth.

On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes > wrote:

Oh no! Sorry about that...

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Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the
list. I expect there would be children and those of us who object to
this kind of language. The person should have sent a link with a
warning.
Thank you for all you do on these lists.
All the best.
Max.

Begin forwarded message:

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Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
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Re: Fwd: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[E.T.]

   What kind of wine do you want?

   The world is going down the tubes because more and more people do 
not deem language skills important enough, written or oral. The use of, 
and the support of, gutter language shows a lack of self respect and 
self esteem. As well as a less then decent education.


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On 1/30/2018 3:31 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Goddess are people really going to wine about this? The fact that
someone had to wine about an article that was sent just talking about
the home pods all because it had one swear word is nuts. Get over it.

On 1/30/18, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

What 5 and that's being mean to a 5 year old.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2018 5:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

 I echo this. You can tell the age by the less than mature language
used.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the
challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God
did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 1/30/2018 8:03 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Mark,

Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but
the latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.

Deal with it as you will.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

Begin forwarded message:

*From: *Oriol Gómez >
*Subject: **Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the
HomePod*
*Date: *January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
*To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com


Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.

Hth.

On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes > wrote:

Oh no! Sorry about that...

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On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
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Hello Mark,
Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the
list. I expect there would be children and those of us who object to
this kind of language. The person should have sent a link with a
warning.
Thank you for all you do on these lists.
All the best.
Max.

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Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
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Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[Jessica Moss]

I don’t even see the original article, so now you’ve all got me curious.  Where 
did it go?
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 6:31 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Goddess are people really going to wine about this? The fact that
> someone had to wine about an article that was sent just talking about
> the home pods all because it had one swear word is nuts. Get over it.
> 
> On 1/30/18, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> What 5 and that's being mean to a 5 year old.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2018 5:09 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
>> 
>>I echo this. You can tell the age by the less than mature language
>> used.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the
>> challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God
>> did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 1/30/2018 8:03 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but
>>> the latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.
>>> 
>>> Deal with it as you will.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> *From: *Oriol Gómez >> >
>>> *Subject: **Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the
>>> HomePod*
>>> *Date: *January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
>>> *To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> *Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
>>> Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.
>>> 
>>> Hth.
>>> 
>>> On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes >> > wrote:
 Oh no! Sorry about that...
 
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> On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the
> list. I expect there would be children and those of us who object to
> this kind of language. The person should have sent a link with a
> warning.
> Thank you for all you do on these lists.
> All the best.
> Max.
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Maria Reyes 
>> Subject: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
>> Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com, viph...@googlegroups.com
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Re: Fwd: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[lenron brown]

Goddess are people really going to wine about this? The fact that
someone had to wine about an article that was sent just talking about
the home pods all because it had one swear word is nuts. Get over it.

On 1/30/18, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> What 5 and that's being mean to a 5 year old.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2018 5:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
>
> I echo this. You can tell the age by the less than mature language
> used.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the
> challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God
> did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 1/30/2018 8:03 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Mark,
>>
>> Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but
>> the latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.
>>
>> Deal with it as you will.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From: *Oriol Gómez > >
>> *Subject: **Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the
>> HomePod*
>> *Date: *January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
>> *To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> *Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> 
>>
>> Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
>> Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.
>>
>> Hth.
>>
>> On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes > > wrote:
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 On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
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 Hello Mark,
 Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the
 list. I expect there would be children and those of us who object to
 this kind of language. The person should have sent a link with a
 warning.
 Thank you for all you do on these lists.
 All the best.
 Max.
> Begin forwarded message:
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> Subject: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
> Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
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RE: HomePod doesn't work with iTunes Match?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

I was going to say that seemed pretty dam crazy

It would have been even more of a reason to not go near it.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2018 11:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: HomePod doesn't work with iTunes Match?

Simon,

That's not valid.  There's a post from Apple soon after this that says that it 
will work with iTunes Match and the iCloud Music Library.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 30, 2018, at 15:01, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hang on,

You mean the latest apple toy wont work with their match audio feature.

Is that not a design floor?

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Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2018 1:09 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
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Subject: HomePod doesn't work with iTunes Match?

All,
I told someone on this list recently that HomePod would work with iTunes Match. 
According to an article I just found, that's not correct. Sorry for the 
confusion.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/29/16944318/homepod-itunes-match-apple-music-icloud-library-siri
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RE: test please ignore.

[Simon Fogarty]

Ok guys and girls,

What I want to know is 

Did we pass the test or fail it?

I'm not sure what I put as an answer for question 3.

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Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2018 8:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: test please ignore.

Hi,

Came to the entire group Jonathan.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 30, 2018, at 12:23, E.T.  wrote:

Jonathan,
  Its been verified many times already. Anything addressed to that moderator 
address goes to the group.

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> There are claims this will go to the list.
> Mark if you get this directly it would be great to know.
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RE: test please ignore.

[Simon Fogarty]

Na, it didn’t go to the list,
I never got it, what about others!

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There are claims this will go to the list.

Mark if you get this directly it would be great to know.


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Commander gets all turned around

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

This may or may not be common knowledge, but it was a strange enough thing I 
thought it worth sharing.  I have a Windows keyboard attached through a KVM 
switch to a Mini.  I finally decided it would be helpful to switch the 
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thus reduce my tendency to do uncool things with the windows key when I have to 
work in Windows and forget I can’t use Mac commands.  I’m also using a 
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the keyboard commander in Voiceover tied to a few scripts.  I use the one to 
check the time often, so I was disappointed when that stopped working, 
regardless of which key I pressed.  So I went poking around the VO utility and 
this is when I discovered the weirdness.  I changed the key to be the left 
option key where it had been the right option key.  Surprise! The right option 
key, now the Windows key, works as expected.  It turns out this isn't the fault 
of Keyboard Commander.  Changing the functions of the command and function keys 
apparently confuses the whole system so that it doesn’t know its right from its 
left.  Dictation, which I don’t use but it made a good test case, now activates 
from the left instead of the right, though it does respect the key swap.

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RE: Fwd: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[Simon Fogarty]

What 5 and that's being mean to a 5 year old.

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Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2018 5:09 AM
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

I echo this. You can tell the age by the less than mature language used.

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On 1/30/2018 8:03 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but 
> the latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.
> 
> Deal with it as you will.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> *From: *Oriol Gómez  >
> *Subject: **Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the 
> HomePod*
> *Date: *January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
> *To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> *Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> 
> Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
> Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.
> 
> Hth.
> 
> On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes  > wrote:
>> Oh no! Sorry about that...
>>
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>>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Mark,
>>> Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the 
>>> list. I expect there would be children and those of us who object to 
>>> this kind of language. The person should have sent a link with a warning.
>>> Thank you for all you do on these lists.
>>> All the best.
>>> Max.
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RE: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey can you drop the language to something more polite,

It was a note to say the article might have been affensive to some people,

A simple pointing out of a possible issue,

Don't lose your rag over it.

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Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2018 12:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.

Hth.

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>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
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>> Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the 
>> list. I expect there would be children and those of us who object to 
>> this kind of language. The person should have sent a link with a warning.
>> Thank you for all you do on these lists.
>> All the best.
>> Max.
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RE: Netgear R7000 Routers

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi ET,

 One of the reasons I went the netgear route is the built in vpn feature and 
finally I configured that yesterday,

 It works great,

So easy to set up 

And it means I can now kill my port forwarding for rdp and just use vpn.
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On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2018 5:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Netgear R7000 Routers

Yep. There was no mention of either of us looking for a new router when 
what we have works just dandy. There are always some potholes when working with 
3rd party products, be it hardware or software.

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On 1/29/2018 1:33 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> And that goes for me also.
> 
>   The netgear device ET & I have is very good and as ET said very accessible 
> now we've found the little glitchs it has in safari.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Monday, 29 January 2018 7:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Netgear R7000 Routers
> 
>  I have no complaints with Netgear. Its accessible too, just takes a 
> little time to learn how to use its interface.
> 
>   From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off 
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 1/28/2018 10:32 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
>> Hi I recently purchased a Synology RT2600AC router and its fabulous!
>> You just plug it in, open safari and go to find.synology.com and the 
>> setup screen comes up. Everything is accessible and there are apps 
>> you can install on a SD card like vpn servers and intrusion protection.
>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>
>>
>> On 1/28/18, E.T.  wrote:
>>> Simon,
>>>   Uh huh. But you provided a clue here believe it or not.
>>>
>>>   Being up that Netgear page again. Turn Quick Nav on. After you 
>>> log into your router, get a summary of the web page with VO-shift-i.
>>> This will tell exactly what elements are on that page, very helpful.
>>> I find only two, links and form controls. So now I know what I am working 
>>> with.
>>>
>>>   Now for the clue you gave me. The web rotor. Activate it then 
>>> use VO-left or right to choose the type of element you want. Tell me 
>>> if that does not beat sliced bread.
>>>
>>>   I may go back and see if changing grouping makes it easier. 
>>> But this is progress.
>>>
>>>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 1/27/2018 10:06 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 Hi ET,

 I just spent a couple of hours today and yesterday trying to 
 use safari to access this r7000 and it's shit!

 I can find the advanced / basic settings and that’s it,

 It wont let me get to the other config options.

 I didn't have chrome to give that a try but it's not overly 
 friendly,

 I have to admit that vo didn't seem to have the full list of rota 
 optons coming up on the routers webpages.

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 Sent: Thursday, 25 January 2018 3:52 PM
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 Subject: Netgear R7000 Routers

Anyone using these routers on a Mac? Would you email me off 
 list please? Thanks.

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Re: HomePod doesn't work with iTunes Match?

[Tim Kilburn]

Simon,

That's not valid.  There's a post from Apple soon after this that says that it 
will work with iTunes Match and the iCloud Music Library.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 30, 2018, at 15:01, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hang on,
 
You mean the latest apple toy wont work with their match audio feature.
 
Is that not a design floor?
 
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] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2018 1:09 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries >
Subject: HomePod doesn't work with iTunes Match?
 
All,
I told someone on this list recently that HomePod would work with iTunes Match. 
According to an article I just found, that's not correct. Sorry for the 
confusion.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/29/16944318/homepod-itunes-match-apple-music-icloud-library-siri
 

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RE: HomePod doesn't work with iTunes Match?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hang on,

You mean the latest apple toy wont work with their match audio feature.

Is that not a design floor?

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Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2018 1:09 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: HomePod doesn't work with iTunes Match?

All,
I told someone on this list recently that HomePod would work with iTunes Match. 
According to an article I just found, that's not correct. Sorry for the 
confusion.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/29/16944318/homepod-itunes-match-apple-music-icloud-library-siri
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RE: Just a Quick Reminder to Those Who Visit Starbucks

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah the coffee without makes more sense than coffee with whipped cream,

 I just do n't get that.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Reminder to Those Who Visit Starbucks

Ah, well, that explains it.  I tend to go for espresso, or espresso-based 
drinks if I go to a coffee place.

Yes, if you want it, Starbucks does put whipped cream on your coffee.  
Personally, I get mine without it.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 29, 2018, at 3:28 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Do star bucks in the USA put cream on their coffees? And I'm talking whipped 
> cream not just a creamer powder stuff.
> 
> I personally wont touch instant coffee anymore, I mainly drink quad 
> shot what we call americanos  which is 2 long blacks in one cup,
> 
> 
> Other than that I don't drink other coffees.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, 29 January 2018 3:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Just a Quick Reminder to Those Who Visit Starbucks
> 
> Simon,
> 
> As with all things, it depends on what one likes.  My parents don't like 
> Starbucks because they are used to drinking very weak Maxwell house.  (Yuck!) 
>  I have friends who are quite discerning coffee drinkers who also don't like 
> it because they prefer lighter roasts, different roasting methods etc.
> 
> Personally, I think darker roasted coffee is better in lattes and mochas--the 
> latter being my beverage of choice.  In my opinion, for a Mocha to be good, 
> you have to be able to taste both the chocolate and the coffee.  Very few 
> places get that balance right, and Starbucks does.  so yes, I like going 
> there.  But there are other privately run coffee shops that I like as well or 
> better, so I certainly wouldn't say that Starbucks is the best coffee in the 
> U.S.
> 
> And, just to make this somehow Apple-related, they have done a very good job 
> of making the IOS app accessible.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jan 28, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> So is starbucks pretty good coffee in the USA?
>> 
>> Over here I wouldn't go unless it was the only option available and even 
>> then I'd have to be pushed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Sunday, 28 January 2018 9:24 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Just a Quick Reminder to Those Who Visit Starbucks
>> 
>> Thanks  for this, Mark.  I had stopped using the app a couple of years ago 
>> when we lived in a place where I didn't get to Starbucks much.  I now go 
>> most days, so appreciated the reminder that I should be using the app again.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> If, like me, you find yourself going to Starbucks, frequently, keep 
>>> in mind that the iOS app is virtually completely VoiceOver 
>>> accessible, including the Starbucks rewards program.  Not only will 
>>> signing up for the rewards program earn you free items, truthfully, it's a 
>>> lot of fun.
>>> 
>>> So get the app, sign-up, and start earning those free drink and food items.
>>> 
>>> As for me, I have earned two free rewards, this month, alone.  Each 
>>> reward entitles you to one free drink/food item of your choice.  
>>> They say some restrictions apply but, so far, I haven't encountered any.
>>> 
>>> Yesterday, I went into a Starbucks store, informed the barista that 
>>> I wanted to use one of my rewards and then I asked," Tell me, what 
>>> is the most expensive item in the store that I can get with this reward?"  
>>> (Big Smile).
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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OCR on Mac

[James AUSTIN]

Hello everyone

Many years ago  I purchased ABBEYFineReader Pro. What with one thing and 
another, I am now looking for a different OCR app. Can anyone recommend 
anything please? All I need to do is to be able to OCR PDFs to create 
accessible versions  under MS Word.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. i have searched on the Appstore and I 
was pleased to see over 150 results.  As I say, any advice would be very 
welcome.

Thank you
My best wishes
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Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[Dennis Clark]

I agree Tim. I got burned on this twice until I figured out what was going on.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:14 AM
  Subject: Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod


  Hi,


  This is interesting.  Sending a message to the Moderator address listed in 
the footer matter ends up going to the entire group.  This should likely be 
fixed as well.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Jan 30, 2018, at 09:03, Tim Kilburn  wrote:


  Mark,


  Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but the 
latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.


  Deal with it as you will.


  Later...




  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  Begin forwarded message:


  From: Oriol Gómez 

  Subject: Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

  Date: January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST

  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

  Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com



  Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
  Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.

  Hth.

  On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes  wrote:

Oh no! Sorry about that...

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  On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
  wrote:

  Hello Mark,
  Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the list. I
  expect there would be children and those of us who object to this kind of
  language. The person should have sent a link with a warning.
  Thank you for all you do on these lists.
  All the best.
  Max.

Begin forwarded message:

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Subject: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
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Re: test please ignore.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Came to the entire group Jonathan.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 30, 2018, at 12:23, E.T.  wrote:

Jonathan,
  Its been verified many times already. Anything addressed to that moderator 
address goes to the group.

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Re: test please ignore.

[E.T.]

Jonathan,
   Its been verified many times already. Anything addressed to that 
moderator address goes to the group.


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all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 1/30/2018 11:19 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

There are claims this will go to the list.

Mark if you get this directly it would be great to know.


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test please ignore.

[Jonathan Cohn]

There are claims this will go to the list.

Mark if you get this directly it would be great to know.

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Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Tim,
Yes. you hit it!
thats what happened to me around new years! :)
The "Moderator address listed in the footer needs fixed!
"
To Err is human; to forgive is divine .
There was no need for all the "sentence enhancers from Oriol"!
Just a bad hair day! 
or Oriol's upset that  the "deep state" is crumbling! 
Talk soon
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Jan 30, 2018, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> This is interesting.  Sending a message to the Moderator address listed in 
> the footer matter ends up going to the entire group.  This should likely be 
> fixed as well.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 09:03, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but the 
> latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.
> 
> Deal with it as you will.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Oriol Gómez 
> Subject: Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
> Date: January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
> Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.
> 
> Hth.
> 
> On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes  wrote:
>> Oh no! Sorry about that...
>> 
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>>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark,
>>> Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the list. I
>>> expect there would be children and those of us who object to this kind of
>>> language. The person should have sent a link with a warning.
>>> Thank you for all you do on these lists.
>>> All the best.
>>> Max.
 Begin forwarded message:
 
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 Subject: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
 Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com, viph...@googlegroups.com
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Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

The only person who will get upset is the person who hates swaring.  Myself I 
don't care either way as I know that a person who resorts to bad language 
doesn't have any vocabulary as there are much better ways of expressing ones 
self rather than resoriting to bad language.

Kawal.

> On 30 Jan 2018, at 16:17, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> I thought it was funny, myself. And I don't see an issue with it.
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2018, at 11:14 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I understand that the person thought someone might be upset with the 
>>> original language so they decided childishly to do it again for no apparent 
>>> reason.  Yep that person is immature rather than the original person who 
>>> sent the original mail
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 30 Jan 2018, at 16:08, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I echo this. You can tell the age by the less than mature language used.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 1/30/2018 8:03 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Mark,
 Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but the 
 latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.
 Deal with it as you will.
 Later...
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 Begin forwarded message:
 *From: *Oriol Gómez >
 *Subject: **Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod*
 *Date: *January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
 *To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 *Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
 Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.
 Hth.
 On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes > wrote:
> Oh no! Sorry about that...
> 
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>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark,
>> Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the list. I
>> expect there would be children and those of us who object to this kind of
>> language. The person should have sent a link with a warning.
>> Thank you for all you do on these lists.
>> All the best.
>> Max.
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Maria Reyes 
>>> Subject: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
>>> Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com, viph...@googlegroups.com
>>> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
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Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[Brandon A. Olivares]

I thought it was funny, myself. And I don't see an issue with it.

> On Jan 30, 2018, at 11:14 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> I understand that the person thought someone might be upset with the 
>> original language so they decided childishly to do it again for no apparent 
>> reason.  Yep that person is immature rather than the original person who 
>> sent the original mail
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 30 Jan 2018, at 16:08, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  I echo this. You can tell the age by the less than mature language used.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 1/30/2018 8:03 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Mark,
>>> Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but the 
>>> latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.
>>> Deal with it as you will.
>>> Later...
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> *From: *Oriol Gómez >
>>> *Subject: **Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod*
>>> *Date: *January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
>>> *To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> 
>>> *Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> 
>>> Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
>>> Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.
>>> Hth.
>>> On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes >> > wrote:
 Oh no! Sorry about that...
 
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> On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
> wrote:
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> Hello Mark,
> Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the list. I
> expect there would be children and those of us who object to this kind of
> language. The person should have sent a link with a warning.
> Thank you for all you do on these lists.
> All the best.
> Max.
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Maria Reyes 
>> Subject: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
>> Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com, viph...@googlegroups.com
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Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[E.T.]

   This "fix" has been suggested for a very long time.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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On 1/30/2018 8:14 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

This is interesting.  Sending a message to the Moderator address listed 
in the footer matter ends up going to the entire group.  This should 
likely be fixed as well.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 30, 2018, at 09:03, Tim Kilburn > wrote:


Mark,

Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but the 
latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.


Deal with it as you will.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

Begin forwarded message:

*From: *Oriol Gómez >
*Subject: **Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod*
*Date: *January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
*To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

*Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 



Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.

Hth.

On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes > wrote:

Oh no! Sorry about that...

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On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
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Hello Mark,
Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the list. I
expect there would be children and those of us who object to this kind of
language. The person should have sent a link with a warning.
Thank you for all you do on these lists.
All the best.
Max.

Begin forwarded message:

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Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
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Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

This is interesting.  Sending a message to the Moderator address listed in the 
footer matter ends up going to the entire group.  This should likely be fixed 
as well.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 30, 2018, at 09:03, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Mark,

Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but the latest 
one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.

Deal with it as you will.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

Begin forwarded message:

From: Oriol Gómez >
Subject: Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
Date: January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.

Hth.

On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes > wrote:
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>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark,
>> Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the list. I
>> expect there would be children and those of us who object to this kind of
>> language. The person should have sent a link with a warning.
>> Thank you for all you do on these lists.
>> All the best.
>> Max.
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
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>>> Subject: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
>>> Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com, viph...@googlegroups.com
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Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

> I understand that the person thought someone might be upset with the original 
> language so they decided childishly to do it again for no apparent reason.  
> Yep that person is immature rather than the original person who sent the 
> original mail

Kawal.

> On 30 Jan 2018, at 16:08, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I echo this. You can tell the age by the less than mature language used.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 1/30/2018 8:03 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Mark,
>> Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but the 
>> latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.
>> Deal with it as you will.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> *From: *Oriol Gómez >
>> *Subject: **Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod*
>> *Date: *January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
>> *To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> *Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
>> Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.
>> Hth.
>> On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes > > wrote:
>>> Oh no! Sorry about that...
>>> 
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 On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
 wrote:
 
 Hello Mark,
 Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the list. I
 expect there would be children and those of us who object to this kind of
 language. The person should have sent a link with a warning.
 Thank you for all you do on these lists.
 All the best.
 Max.
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Maria Reyes 
> Subject: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
> Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com, viph...@googlegroups.com
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Re: Fwd: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[E.T.]

   I echo this. You can tell the age by the less than mature language used.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 1/30/2018 8:03 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Mark,

Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but the 
latest one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.


Deal with it as you will.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

Begin forwarded message:

*From: *Oriol Gómez >
*Subject: **Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod*
*Date: *January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
*To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

*Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 



Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.

Hth.

On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes > wrote:

Oh no! Sorry about that...

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On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Agent086b 
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Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the list. I
expect there would be children and those of us who object to this kind of
language. The person should have sent a link with a warning.
Thank you for all you do on these lists.
All the best.
Max.

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Subject: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
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Fwd: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[Tim Kilburn]

Mark,

Not that the original link really was in need of Max's comments, but the latest 
one from Oriol certainly was uncalled for in my opinion.

Deal with it as you will.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

Begin forwarded message:

From: Oriol Gómez 
Subject: Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
Date: January 30, 2017 at 04:36:22 MST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.

Hth.

On 1/30/18, Maria Reyes  wrote:
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>> Might I suggest the below email is totally inappropriate for the list. I
>> expect there would be children and those of us who object to this kind of
>> language. The person should have sent a link with a warning.
>> Thank you for all you do on these lists.
>> All the best.
>> Max.
>>> Begin forwarded message:
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>>> Subject: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod
>>> Date: 30 January 2018 at 2:04:11 pm AEDT
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Re: Disregard message, was Re: Deleting books in iBooks that you have purchased

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It's no problem Donna.  It was actually a tongue in cheek comment.  I just had 
to make it known that my bottom lip was stuck out in a pout.  A very mature 
gesture :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 30, 2018, at 04:09, Donna Goodin  wrote:

I'm so sorry for causing you extra work, Tim.  You are always so helpful to the 
list.  If it helps, I saved your instructions in case I ever have this problem 
again.  It's one of those things that I just don't have to do very often, so 
when it comes up, I have to re-teach myself how to do it.  So, odds are good 
that I'll be referring to those instructions at some time in the future. :) 
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 29, 2018, at 10:43 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Looks like I should read more messages before I respond.  I just typed out a 
> bunch of instructions and it looks like I didn't need to :).  Bummer.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 29, 2018, at 20:36, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Sorry, Tim, I got it to work.  Thanks for the help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I'm very confused.  I don't see anything following the link you provided.  I 
>> see something that says Hide a Book, but when I try to click on it, nothing 
>> happens.  I'm still running Sierra, if that matters.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Using the following link:
>>> 
>>> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/ibooks/hide-purchased-books-ibksa4e88313/mac
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It shows you how to hide/unhide books in your iBooks library.  Note that 
>>> this will hide the book on all your devices.  It's slightly different with 
>>> VO, but, for the most part, just interact with the title when you find it 
>>> in the Purchased list, then interact more until you can press the "Hide" 
>>> button.  A confirmation dialog will appear after you've hit the hide so 
>>> that you'll know it worked.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:19, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have some books that I purchased and I books that I would like to 
>>> completely hide. Does anyone know how to do this? There doesn’t seem to be 
>>> any obvious delete option.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna Sent from my iPhone
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Migrating to a new iMac

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
I am currently using the latest El Capitan 10.11.6 on a late 2008 iMac which 
alas will not support any more recent Mac OS releases. 
It is becoming apparent that some time soon I will have to replace this aged 
iMac with a new one, probably the model with a 20 inch display and a 255 GB 
solid state disk drive. On my current iMac I run time machine to an external 
hard disk drive and also du periodic SuperDuper backups to the external disk 
drive and also to a USB memory stick.. 
I am put off from replacing my aged iMac by the thought of migrating all my 
data and applications. In addition to the obvious user files I have a lot of 
contacts, an extensive calendar, lots of iBooks and iTunes files, Safari 
bookmarks, passwords and secure notes in 1 password, Infovox voices, VMware 
fusion and a Windows 7 virtual machine, and difficult to remember preferences 
for some of my Apps. Rather than migrate everything it would be a good 
opportunity to get rid of now unwanted Apps and to start as many Apps as 
possible with a clean slate. 
So how should I best do this migration in a VoiceOver friendly way? 
Best regards...

Paul Hopewell

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Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[Devin Prater]

Maria is the youngest person, I think, on this list, and shes the one who 
shared the article, I think.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind
JAWS certified 

> On Jan 30, 2018, at 5:36 AM, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
> 
> Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
> Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.
> 
> Hth.
> 
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>>> All the best.
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Re: Trained audio engineer gives his opinion on the HomePod

[Oriol Gómez]

Wait what' Are you going to get all worked up about "fucking hell"?
Fucking hell man, you are fucking ridiculous.

Hth.

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>> Thank you for all you do on these lists.
>> All the best.
>> Max.
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Re: Disregard message, was Re: Deleting books in iBooks that you have purchased

[Donna Goodin]

I'm so sorry for causing you extra work, Tim.  You are always so helpful to the 
list.  If it helps, I saved your instructions in case I ever have this problem 
again.  It's one of those things that I just don't have to do very often, so 
when it comes up, I have to re-teach myself how to do it.  So, odds are good 
that I'll be referring to those instructions at some time in the future. :) 
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 29, 2018, at 10:43 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Looks like I should read more messages before I respond.  I just typed out a 
> bunch of instructions and it looks like I didn't need to :).  Bummer.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 29, 2018, at 20:36, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Sorry, Tim, I got it to work.  Thanks for the help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I'm very confused.  I don't see anything following the link you provided.  I 
>> see something that says Hide a Book, but when I try to click on it, nothing 
>> happens.  I'm still running Sierra, if that matters.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Using the following link:
>>> 
>>> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/ibooks/hide-purchased-books-ibksa4e88313/mac
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It shows you how to hide/unhide books in your iBooks library.  Note that 
>>> this will hide the book on all your devices.  It's slightly different with 
>>> VO, but, for the most part, just interact with the title when you find it 
>>> in the Purchased list, then interact more until you can press the "Hide" 
>>> button.  A confirmation dialog will appear after you've hit the hide so 
>>> that you'll know it worked.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:19, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have some books that I purchased and I books that I would like to 
>>> completely hide. Does anyone know how to do this? There doesn’t seem to be 
>>> any obvious delete option.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna Sent from my iPhone
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