RE: Is Anyone Using the Free Version of either Pandora or Google Play Music for iOS?

[David Tanner]

You should be able to do that on Pandora, but I am not sure that you can on 
Google Play unless you have a paid subscription.


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Subject: Is Anyone Using the Free Version of either Pandora or Google Play 
Music for iOS?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I know I said that I had no plans to subscribe to Apple Music, anytime 
soon but, well, let's just say I'm reconsidering this position.  

The primary reason why I didn't feel the need to subscribe to a music service 
is because, once upon a time, one could create custom radio stations based on 
artists, genres, a song title, etc, in iTunes.  Apparently, Apple has now 
restricted this functionality to only Apple Music subscribers.
(smart).

Before I take the subscription plunge, I would like to consider free 
alternatives if for no other reason but that I know that I will use the custom 
selection feature rarely.

So, is anyone using either the free version of either Pandora or Google Play 
Music for iOS?  If so, is it possible to create custom stations based on 
selected criteria?  

I'm probably going to end up subscribing to Apple Music but wanted to at least 
put this question out there, in the Ether (smile).

All replies greatly appreciated.

By the way, I'm still loving my HomePod.

Went over to a friend's house today to check out the Amazon Echo.  Wow!  I was 
extremely impressed.  

I think I'm going to pick up an Echo Dot and use it at least until my beloved 
Siri can catch up, as I truly think she will, in time-a very, very long, long 
time perhaps, (big smile).  Really enjoyed the audio games that Echo offers.

The way I see it, I will use HomePod for audio playback and personal contact 
features, as they become available, and Echo Dot for fun.  

Mark


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Re: Is Anyone Using the Free Version of either Pandora or Google Play Music for iOS?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Mark,

I'm using the free Pandora service.  It has its challenges, and you do have 
adds, but it is usable.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Okay, I know I said that I had no plans to subscribe to Apple Music, anytime
> soon but, well, let's just say I'm reconsidering this position.  
> 
> The primary reason why I didn't feel the need to subscribe to a music
> service is because, once upon a time, one could create custom radio stations
> based on artists, genres, a song title, etc, in iTunes.  Apparently, Apple
> has now restricted this functionality to only Apple Music subscribers.
> (smart).
> 
> Before I take the subscription plunge, I would like to consider free
> alternatives if for no other reason but that I know that I will use the
> custom selection feature rarely.
> 
> So, is anyone using either the free version of either Pandora or Google Play
> Music for iOS?  If so, is it possible to create custom stations based on
> selected criteria?  
> 
> I'm probably going to end up subscribing to Apple Music but wanted to at
> least put this question out there, in the Ether (smile).
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
> By the way, I'm still loving my HomePod.
> 
> Went over to a friend's house today to check out the Amazon Echo.  Wow!  I
> was extremely impressed.  
> 
> I think I'm going to pick up an Echo Dot and use it at least until my
> beloved Siri can catch up, as I truly think she will, in time-a very, very
> long, long time perhaps, (big smile).  Really enjoyed the audio games that
> Echo offers.
> 
> The way I see it, I will use HomePod for audio playback and personal contact
> features, as they become available, and Echo Dot for fun.  
> 
> Mark
> 
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Is Anyone Using the Free Version of either Pandora or Google Play Music for iOS?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I know I said that I had no plans to subscribe to Apple Music, anytime
soon but, well, let's just say I'm reconsidering this position.  

The primary reason why I didn't feel the need to subscribe to a music
service is because, once upon a time, one could create custom radio stations
based on artists, genres, a song title, etc, in iTunes.  Apparently, Apple
has now restricted this functionality to only Apple Music subscribers.
(smart).

Before I take the subscription plunge, I would like to consider free
alternatives if for no other reason but that I know that I will use the
custom selection feature rarely.

So, is anyone using either the free version of either Pandora or Google Play
Music for iOS?  If so, is it possible to create custom stations based on
selected criteria?  

I'm probably going to end up subscribing to Apple Music but wanted to at
least put this question out there, in the Ether (smile).

All replies greatly appreciated.

By the way, I'm still loving my HomePod.

Went over to a friend's house today to check out the Amazon Echo.  Wow!  I
was extremely impressed.  

I think I'm going to pick up an Echo Dot and use it at least until my
beloved Siri can catch up, as I truly think she will, in time-a very, very
long, long time perhaps, (big smile).  Really enjoyed the audio games that
Echo offers.

The way I see it, I will use HomePod for audio playback and personal contact
features, as they become available, and Echo Dot for fun.  

Mark


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Re: Braille commands on the Mac.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Here are the commands.

Commands are listed below.  Can be used on Mac and IOS


These commands aren't specifc to the Focus, but work on any display with iOS 
11. To reply, do the braille display command for the command key, which is 
space with dots1-7, and then quickly press the letter R. Substitute n for r and 
you can create a new message. Sending is a bit more comlex. Press space with 
1-7, then slace with 4-7 followed by a D. 
Here are a few more. These work with any display that has a Perkins
Style keyboard.
2-3-5-6 cord, select all
1-2-3-6 chord: paste
1-4 Chord: copy
1-3-4-6 chord: cut
2-3-4-6 chord: redo
1-3-5-6 chord: undo
3-5-6 chord: performs a 3d touch
3-6-7-8 chord: double tap and hold
3-6 chord: double tap an item
1-3-4-5 chord: toggles announcement history
1-2-3-4-5-6 chord:  toggles screen curtain
2-4 chord: item chooser
1-2-3-4-5-7 chord: toggle first letter navigation quicknav
1-4-6 chord: hide/unhide the virtual keyboard
1-2-3-4-6 chord: create custom lable
1-7 chord: activates the command key
2-7 chord: activates the Option key
3-7 chord: activates the control key
4-7 chord: activates the shift key
5-7 chord: activates the FN key
1-8 chord: toggles the command key
2-8 chord: toggles the Option key
3-8 chord: toggles the Control key
4-8 chord: toggles the shift key
5-8 chord: toggles the FN key.

> On 18 Feb 2018, at 22:53, Michelle emails  wrote:
> 
> hi can you send me a copy as well. I use a focus with my macbook air. 
> 
> Many thanks 
> Michelle 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Feb 2018, at 8:39 am, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> These commands are listed in the users manual on there website.  Let me grab 
>> the link.  Actually, these commands are listed in an archive on my braille 
>> display list.  I will send them directly to you.
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> This morning I have been using my Focus on my Mac and have noticed some 
>>> good improvements with reading messages using the braille display.
>>> 
>>> However as I write this message I cannot see any braille and I can't use my 
>>> braille display to write with.
>>> 
>>> Is there anything special we need to do to get interaction with writing 
>>> messages on the braille display please?
>>> 
>>> Also I can't find a way to copy, cut or paste text as you can do so on the 
>>> I phone.
>>> 
>>> If I hear that we can't do this then I'll write to Accessibility.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: Braille commands on the Mac.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

What's the braille list address for me to subscribe please?

> On 18 Feb 2018, at 21:39, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> These commands are listed in the users manual on there website.  Let me grab 
> the link.  Actually, these commands are listed in an archive on my braille 
> display list.  I will send them directly to you.
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> This morning I have been using my Focus on my Mac and have noticed some good 
>> improvements with reading messages using the braille display.
>> 
>> However as I write this message I cannot see any braille and I can't use my 
>> braille display to write with.
>> 
>> Is there anything special we need to do to get interaction with writing 
>> messages on the braille display please?
>> 
>> Also I can't find a way to copy, cut or paste text as you can do so on the I 
>> phone.
>> 
>> If I hear that we can't do this then I'll write to Accessibility.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Braille commands on the Mac.

[Michelle emails]

hi can you send me a copy as well. I use a focus with my macbook air. 

Many thanks 
Michelle 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Feb 2018, at 8:39 am, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> These commands are listed in the users manual on there website.  Let me grab 
> the link.  Actually, these commands are listed in an archive on my braille 
> display list.  I will send them directly to you.
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> This morning I have been using my Focus on my Mac and have noticed some good 
>> improvements with reading messages using the braille display.
>> 
>> However as I write this message I cannot see any braille and I can't use my 
>> braille display to write with.
>> 
>> Is there anything special we need to do to get interaction with writing 
>> messages on the braille display please?
>> 
>> Also I can't find a way to copy, cut or paste text as you can do so on the I 
>> phone.
>> 
>> If I hear that we can't do this then I'll write to Accessibility.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
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Re: Braille commands on the Mac.

[Kliphton Miller]

These commands are listed in the users manual on there website.  Let me grab 
the link.  Actually, these commands are listed in an archive on my braille 
display list.  I will send them directly to you.

> On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> This morning I have been using my Focus on my Mac and have noticed some good 
> improvements with reading messages using the braille display.
> 
> However as I write this message I cannot see any braille and I can't use my 
> braille display to write with.
> 
> Is there anything special we need to do to get interaction with writing 
> messages on the braille display please?
> 
> Also I can't find a way to copy, cut or paste text as you can do so on the I 
> phone.
> 
> If I hear that we can't do this then I'll write to Accessibility.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
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Re: Copying some text from an iBook does not seem to be possible

[Mary Otten]

Copping the last spoken phrase is not what I want. I might want to copy two 
sentences. Or even maybe a list from a page. Not multiple pages. You can’t do 
that with last spokeenphrase. Regarding interaction, using an iOS device, not a 
Mac, I wasn’t aware that you could interact with the text on the page. I’m 
trying to use the voice over text selection copying where you can choose to 
copy by word line etc., then flick right to select what you want, changed edit, 
make the copy, and paste it wherever you want. This is on an iPhone or an iPad 
not using a keyboard. It doesn’t work for me.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2018, at 2:18 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mary,
> 
> Have you tried the VO command to save the last spoken phrase to the 
> clipboard? On iOS, this is a quadruple tap with three fingers, on the Mac it 
> is VO-Shift-c.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 18 Feb 2018, at 02:24, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I have tried to use voice over text selection process to enable me to copy 
>> short segments of text from iBooks. But text selection does not show up in 
>> the road or when I have an iBook open. This is really annoying. I know they 
>> don’t want people copying the whole book. But really? Not even a quote? This 
>> is ridiculous. I hope I am missing something.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Howto save web page to desktop?

[E.T.]

   As long as it works. No terminal needed. Just TextEdit.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/18/2018 7:04 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

Hello E.T,
I was able to accomplish this with drag and drop as follows:

1. stop interacting with the desired webpage.
2.  interact with the safari toolbar
3.  Navigate to the address bar.
4.  Drag the item with VO comma.
5.  Switch applications to the finder desktop with command tab.
6.  drop the item with VOO shift comma or VO shift period.
7.  You can edit the description of the webpage by hitting enter and editing 
the filename.

Your method probably works, but it involves creating a .wloc file (possibly 
using the terminal).

Chris


On Feb 17, 2018, at 8:30 PM, E.T.  wrote:

   Add these two lines to a text file. Edit the URL.

[InternetShortcut]
URL=http://www.apple.com

   Press enter. End the filename with .url.

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   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/17/2018 11:45 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

Hello,
I’m trying to save a link to a web page to my desktop.  I think I’ve done this 
in the past but can’t remember how!
TIA
Chris


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Re: Using the Calculator on the I phone 10.

[Jürgen Fleger]

Just tried it successfully. It calculated as expected.

All the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 18.02.2018 um 14:32 schrieb Kawal Gucukoglu :
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I tried using the calculator on the I phone 10 yesterday and I could not put 
> in any input as there were no results even though I heard the I phone saying 
> subtract after putting in the figures and once I pressed the equals, there 
> were no results.
> 
> If the calculator isn't working please do let me know and I will again write 
> to Accessibility.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Major Numbers Issue Question

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Very interesting.  I'm not experiencing that sort of thing at all.  I just 
tested on a few spreadsheets but couldn't duplicate the problem.  Glad you got 
it working though.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 17, 2018, at 13:09, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hey all, Just spoke to Apple Accessibility and we figured it out together 
definitely messed up, as if you want to type in the A rows you need to VO space 
bar then type and do not stop interacting to get out of the cell which you do 
have to d in the rest of the spread sheet. Very confusing but we got it 
working. 

> On Feb 17, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
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> Hey All,
> 
> Not sure if this is device specific. I am running the latest build of High 
> Sierra and Numbers. And Numbers will not allow me to type anything in the 
> Column header rows. I am talking about the first row going down vertically. 
> Anyone else having this issue? Thanks, 
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Re: VoiceOver friendly application for editing a QuickTime movie?

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Hi,

You can do basic editing within QuickTime itself.  Splitting, trimming, 
selecting and therefore moving clips around.  No facility for effects, but I'm 
not sure if that would be needed in your case.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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On Feb 17, 2018, at 17:41, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:

Some use Imovie to do this.  I, however, cannot install Imovie on my Mac 
because it’s too old.  So, I use Screenflow.  Let me clarify.  The latest 
version of Imovie will not install on my mid 2009 Mac book pro because it’s too 
old.


Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Feb 17, 2018, at 3:10 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
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> Hi List,
> Subject says it all!
> Whats a  VoiceOver friendly application for editing a QuickTime movie 
> I have a screen cast done in quicktime that I half to edit and then export it 
> as a quicktime movie, and then  get it to a software company to demonstrate 
> what needs fixed for VoiceOver accessibility.
> Any app suggestions that are easy to use?
> Thanks
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Re: Howto save web page to desktop?

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Hello E.T,
I was able to accomplish this with drag and drop as follows:

1. stop interacting with the desired webpage.
2.  interact with the safari toolbar
3.  Navigate to the address bar.
4.  Drag the item with VO comma.
5.  Switch applications to the finder desktop with command tab.
6.  drop the item with VOO shift comma or VO shift period.
7.  You can edit the description of the webpage by hitting enter and editing 
the filename.

Your method probably works, but it involves creating a .wloc file (possibly 
using the terminal).

Chris

> On Feb 17, 2018, at 8:30 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Add these two lines to a text file. Edit the URL.
> 
> [InternetShortcut]
> URL=http://www.apple.com
> 
>   Press enter. End the filename with .url.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/17/2018 11:45 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I’m trying to save a link to a web page to my desktop.  I think I’ve done 
>> this in the past but can’t remember how!
>> TIA
>> Chris
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Using the Calculator on the I phone 10.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I tried using the calculator on the I phone 10 yesterday and I could not put in 
any input as there were no results even though I heard the I phone saying 
subtract after putting in the figures and once I pressed the equals, there were 
no results.

If the calculator isn't working please do let me know and I will again write to 
Accessibility.

Thanks.

Kawal.

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Braille commands on the Mac.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

This morning I have been using my Focus on my Mac and have noticed some good 
improvements with reading messages using the braille display.

However as I write this message I cannot see any braille and I can't use my 
braille display to write with.

Is there anything special we need to do to get interaction with writing 
messages on the braille display please?

Also I can't find a way to copy, cut or paste text as you can do so on the I 
phone.

If I hear that we can't do this then I'll write to Accessibility.

Thanks.

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Re: Has anyone noticed Siri getting exponentially worse?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I use the I phone ten and dictation works perfectly.

However, I turn my I phone off once a day and the same goes for my watch and I 
don't experience any problems with dictation.

Kawal.

> On 17 Feb 2018, at 19:06, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Today I repeatedly asked Siri on my HomePod to play the latest episode of the 
> Apple Insider podcast - and each time she played a programme called Apple 
> Cider! I wonder whether it was her sense of humour...
> Harry
> 
>> On 17 Feb 2018, at 18:19, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I've been wondering that, too, Tim.  I can't imagine what it would be, but 
>> I've never had problems with Siri before.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Feb 17, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It doesn't seem logical, as they're all running the same iOS, but this 
>>> makes me wonder if it is something to do with the iPhone 10.  My 8 seems to 
>>> handle Siri stuff just fine, except when it's 30 below outside and she just 
>>> doesn't want to behave at all :).
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2018, at 06:52, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have not tried this, Shawn.  But I will do it this morning.  For me, 
>>> Siri's gotten to the point where it's more work to try and use her than 
>>> it's worth.  I'll report back to the list if toggling Siri and dictation 
>>> off and on again helps.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Feb 17, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
 
 Lol Simon. That was good. In all seriousness though, has anyone tried 
 turning off and on both Siri and dictation? I hear that supposedly any 
 issue you've had with those two things should clear up after toggling them 
 on and off.
 
 Shawn
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 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
 
> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:19 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> That's it,
> Siri is sexest!
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, 17 February 2018 4:50 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed Siri getting exponentially worse?
> 
> Ha!  You sound like my husband. He swears that Siri hates him.
> 
> This is interesting. I always got very good results from Siri until 
> switching to the iPhone X. Given that this phone supposedly has better 
> hardware and a faster processor, it makes no sense that dictation results 
> would worsen. But that has certainly been my experience.
> Eileen, I’m somewhat relieved to hear that you are having a similar 
> experience. At least that makes it sound like it’s the phone rather than 
> something that I am doing.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 9:41 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> I find issues with it sometimes. I swear siri hates my voice because, 
>> I keep having to repeat messages at times.
>> 
>>> On 2/16/18, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> There are certainly dictation mistakes. And every once in a while 
>>> there is a real hash. But for the most part, it’s decent. I’m not using 
>>> an iPhone X.
>>> I’m using 7+. I don’t do it on my iPad Mini too, because it is 
>>> incredibly slow.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 16, 2018, at 4:25 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 I have noticed that when dictating to Siri on my iPhone X, the 
 recognition is absolutely terrible!  I spend much more time 
 correcting dictation than I ever used to.  Just wondering if anyone 
 else--either using a X or not--has noticed the same thing?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: UEB and other commands using the Focus new Gen on the I phone.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thanks Mark.

You have it right, on the 5th generation of Focus the dot 4 dot 1 will not 
produce the at sign and nor will dots 4 6 dots 3 6 to produce the underscore 
when trying to write an e-mail address.


Kawal.
> On 17 Feb 2018, at 17:47, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> I believe Kawal is saying that, unlike on the previous generations of Focus 
> Braille displays, the standard keyboard Braille entry commands, such as 
> dot-4, 1, for the @ symbol, are not working on her fifth generation Focus 40 
> Blue.  
> 
> It will be interesting to see if any other Focus Fifth Generation user is 
> experiencing the same problem.
> 
> Mark
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
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> Subject: Re: UEB and other commands using the Focus new Gen on the I phone.
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> In UEB, for at sign, it is dot 4 followed by dot 1.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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>> On 17 Feb 2018, at 09:07, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All. 
>> 
>> I have been using my new generation Focus 40 for just over a week now.
>> 
>> I have a few questions to ask regarding UEB as I normally write in UEB these 
>> days as I can't remember the Standard English Braille Code although that is 
>> what I grew up with!
>> 
>> Anyway, I have noticed that some of the operations have changed with this 
>> new Focus, as before I could do Chord e for new line. Now this doesn't seem 
>> to work and instead I am pressing dot 8 for a new line.
>> 
>> However, this is not the case when you want to send a message, as new line 
>> sends the message. So how can I do new line which doesn't send the message?
>> 
>> Also if I want to put the at sign in, how would one do this,  as I use to do 
>> dot four a for the at sign but that is not the case and so I am just 
>> pressing dot 4. Each time I press dots 2 5 6 it says DD rather than the full 
>> stop. 
>> 
>> i hope that you David will reply although I am happy for anyone to reply to 
>> me.
>> 
>> thank you.
>> 
>> Kawal.  
>> 
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Re: Copying some text from an iBook does not seem to be possible

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mary,

Have you tried the VO command to save the last spoken phrase to the clipboard? 
On iOS, this is a quadruple tap with three fingers, on the Mac it is VO-Shift-c.
Cheers,

Anne



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> I have tried to use voice over text selection process to enable me to copy 
> short segments of text from iBooks. But text selection does not show up in 
> the road or when I have an iBook open. This is really annoying. I know they 
> don’t want people copying the whole book. But really? Not even a quote? This 
> is ridiculous. I hope I am missing something.
> Mary
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Re: Copying some text from an iBook does not seem to be possible

[james . londonsw15]

Hi Marie

Once I interact with the page I am able to use normal text selection methods 
option shift left and right arrow et cetera to select words or command shift 
left and right to select lines. I have never had an issue copying text. In fact 
this is one of the features that I really like in iBooks.

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