Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

['Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries]

Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
Marshall


> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
>> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>> nauseam.
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  
>> I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>> of support.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web 
>>> browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, 
>>> whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
>>> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
>>> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
>>> more involved ones.
>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

This helped for about ten wonderful minutes. :)


> On Aug 13, 2018, at 7:59 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
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> HI Christine,
> 
> Heres what  I do once in a while to clear sluggish VO movement & the "busy" 
> issue, by deleting the Caches folder.
> 
> To empty out the Caches folder on your computer, you’ll need to open up 
> Finder first. 
> 
> With Voiceover on, you can press V O D, and it should default to Finder. Then 
> press V O Space. 
> 
> Once Finder is the focused application, press V O M to get to the menu bar, 
> then V O Right until you reach the Go menu. In the Go menu, select Go To 
> Folder. 
> 
> The location is ~/Library
> 
> Once you’ve typed that in, press Return. 
> 
> In the Library folder, you can select the Caches folder and then press 
> Command Delete to move it to trash. 
> 
> I recommend restarting the computer after you do this. 
> HTH
> Chuck
> YMMV
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 7:45 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
>>> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>>> nauseam.
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area. 
>>>  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>>> of support.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman >>> > wrote:
 
 I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
 utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
 web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I 
 do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
 headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
 literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
 more involved ones.
 Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
 Genius Bar might accomplish?
 Christine
 
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

> When it happened infrequently, once a day or less, it was fine, especially 
> when little things like waiting a few seconds or toggling VO worked. Now it 
> literally happens virtually every time I use a browser to do anything of 
> significance.

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:15 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I have noticed that a lot of this happens on web sites that insist on putting 
> a bunch of frames of advertisements on them, on those sites, safari is worse 
> than chrome, but yes, it is very annoying when it happens.
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 4:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  
>> I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>> of support.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web 
>>> browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, 
>>> whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
>>> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
>>> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
>>> more involved ones.
>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Mike Arrigo]

I have noticed that a lot of this happens on web sites that insist on putting a 
bunch of frames of advertisements on them, on those sites, safari is worse than 
chrome, but yes, it is very annoying when it happens.

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 4:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  
> I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms of 
> support.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web 
>> browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, 
>> whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through headings 
>> or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing literally taking 
>> hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to more involved ones.
>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>> Christine
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Re: Booting From Another Startup Disk

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

This is correct, but to answer the other part of the question: no, no speech 
here. It's too early, and the Mac has no disk from which to run any kind of 
speech. At least, that's how I think of it, though I'm sure Apple could fix 
this if they really wanted to. Don't forget you can select this in System 
Preferences before you restart. At least, I think you can. I've never had 
occasion to try it for real.

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> On Aug 13, 2018, at 11:51, matthew dyer  
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> 
> Brandon,
> Yes. While booting, hold the option key to bring up target disk mode. Left 
> arrow once to select the startup disk and press enter. If all goes well it 
> should boot. Hth.
> 
> 
> On August 13, 2018 11:05:12 AM "Brandon A. Olivares" 
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>> Is it possible to accessibly select another startup disk when booting? I 
>> know in some modes there's a limited version of Voiceover. Is this one of 
>> them?
>> 
>> Brandon
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Re: Navigating message components in Apple Mail

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

We've all done things like that, and we all will again.  I'm just glad 
everything is now working again.

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> On Aug 13, 2018, at 08:28, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Actually, Alex, you were far more helpful than you may realize.  This is very 
> embarrassing, because I should have known better.  The problem was  with me, 
> not VoiceOver or my MacBook Pro.
> 
> The mistake I repeatedly made was that I had not stopped interacting with the 
> body of the message so actually, VO was behaving properly all along.
> 
> So thanks for your help, though after all these years of using the Mac, I 
> shouldn’t have made that type of mistake.
> 
> Best regards and thanks again,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11.08.2018, at 14:44, 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> That's odd, because shift-tab works here. It worked on High Sierra, and it 
>> still works on the Mojave betas. It's the only method I use, actually. Even 
>> if that isn't working for some reason, VO commands should. Here, I can stop 
>> interacting with my message body, then vo-left and get to the subject, from 
>> address, and other options just as expected. I can't think of anything that 
>> might be stopping this on your system. Sorry I can't be of more help.
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 07:40, Michael Busboom >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, that seems to be no longer the solution.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10.08.2018, at 15:53, michael dailey >>> > wrote:
 
 I am not on the sam os, but shift tab worked for me.
 
 
 Mike Dailey
 mpd...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
 
 
> On Aug 10, 2018, at 7:42 AM, Michael Busboom  > wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I should start out by saying that I am running the latest OS on my 2016 
> MacBook Pro.
> 
> Here’s the problem:
> 
> I recently wrote a note to several friends and in the course of my 
> writing, I decided I wanted to change the subject and change the email 
> address from which the message would be sent.  Once inside the body of 
> the message, I was unable to get back to fields where I could modify the 
> subject line and change the address from wwhich I wanted to send the 
> note.  When I stopped interacting with the body of my message, I was 
> still unable to get to the fields I wanted to change.  Using the Item 
> Chooser didn’t reveal anything I could click on, unless I am missing the 
> obvious.
> 
> Any help would be both welcome and greatly appreciated.
> 
> Have a nice weekend, everybody, and thanks!
> 
> Mike
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Re: How do I clear Terminal?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Sorry, this was my mistake. It’s VO-Shift-Home, or, if you’re using a MacBook 
keyboard with Ctrl-Option as the VO modifier, Ctrl-Option-Fn-Shift-Left-Arrow. 
See below for context.

 

From: Jason White 
Date: Monday, August 13, 2018 at 20:28
To: 
Subject: Re: How do I clear Terminal?

 

Also, VO-Home (the “go to visible beginning” command) takes you to the top of 
the currently visible terminal window (i.e., after the scroll-back).

 

On a MacBook keyboard, this can be awkward to type – Ctrl-Option-FN-Left-Arrow. 
I suppose you could say that it adds to the argument for making CapsLock the VO 
modifier key.

 

From:  on behalf of Jonathan Cohn 

Reply-To: 
Date: Monday, August 13, 2018 at 11:56
To: 
Subject: Re: How do I clear Terminal?

 

Actually, the buffer is what vo cursor keys see. There is also the shell 
history which stores the last N commands. The size of this history can be set 
in your bashrc files. If you use arrow keys without the VO modifier and you are 
on the [myname] prompt you can review and edit prior commands. This is entirely 
different from the terminal buffer

. 

 

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 11:35 AM dan d.  wrote:

The terminal  has a buffer wich stores previous commands for reuse if desired.  
Using arrow up will revisit those commands in reverse order.

This can be cleared by cmd+k and/or cmd+option+k.  The second is more extensive.

There will be a vo announcement of the outcome.
When in terminal from the menu choose terminal, then preferences, then window.

Near the end of the items there are terminal buffer items which can be set by a 
numerical value.  This includes how much memory to devote to
the bufffer and its size limit.

Another related terminal command is to replace the k above with r, this will 
reset the terminal, also with vo feedback..

On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Dear List,
> Evertime I open Terminal, everything I ever typed is there.
> I can???t seem to delete it.
> How do I clear the screen?
> I tried from the edit menu with no luck.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
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Re: How do I clear Terminal?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Also, VO-Home (the “go to visible beginning” command) takes you to the top of 
the currently visible terminal window (i.e., after the scroll-back).

 

On a MacBook keyboard, this can be awkward to type – Ctrl-Option-FN-Left-Arrow. 
I suppose you could say that it adds to the argument for making CapsLock the VO 
modifier key.

 

From:  on behalf of Jonathan Cohn 

Reply-To: 
Date: Monday, August 13, 2018 at 11:56
To: 
Subject: Re: How do I clear Terminal?

 

Actually, the buffer is what vo cursor keys see. There is also the shell 
history which stores the last N commands. The size of this history can be set 
in your bashrc files. If you use arrow keys without the VO modifier and you are 
on the [myname] prompt you can review and edit prior commands. This is entirely 
different from the terminal buffer

. 

 

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 11:35 AM dan d.  wrote:

The terminal  has a buffer wich stores previous commands for reuse if desired.  
Using arrow up will revisit those commands in reverse order.

This can be cleared by cmd+k and/or cmd+option+k.  The second is more extensive.

There will be a vo announcement of the outcome.
When in terminal from the menu choose terminal, then preferences, then window.

Near the end of the items there are terminal buffer items which can be set by a 
numerical value.  This includes how much memory to devote to
the bufffer and its size limit.

Another related terminal command is to replace the k above with r, this will 
reset the terminal, also with vo feedback..

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> Dear List,
> Evertime I open Terminal, everything I ever typed is there.
> I can???t seem to delete it.
> How do I clear the screen?
> I tried from the edit menu with no luck.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
>

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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[CHUCK REICHEL]

HI Christine,

Heres what  I do once in a while to clear sluggish VO movement & the "busy" 
issue, by deleting the Caches folder.

To empty out the Caches folder on your computer, you’ll need to open up Finder 
first. 

With Voiceover on, you can press V O D, and it should default to Finder. Then 
press V O Space. 

Once Finder is the focused application, press V O M to get to the menu bar, 
then V O Right until you reach the Go menu. In the Go menu, select Go To 
Folder. 

The location is ~/Library

Once you’ve typed that in, press Return. 

In the Library folder, you can select the Caches folder and then press Command 
Delete to move it to trash. 

I recommend restarting the computer after you do this. 
HTH
Chuck
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On Aug 13, 2018, at 7:45 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> 
> 
>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
>> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>> nauseam.
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  
>> I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>> of support.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web 
>>> browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, 
>>> whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
>>> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
>>> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
>>> more involved ones.
>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I attempt 
> again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad nauseam.

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  
> I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms of 
> support.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web 
>> browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, 
>> whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through headings 
>> or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing literally taking 
>> hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to more involved ones.
>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

['Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries]

The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  I 
realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is for 
everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it happens.  
Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms of support.
Marshall


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> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk utility 
> first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web browser I 
> use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, whenever I 
> perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through headings or other 
> information, busy becomes a monster and is costing literally taking hours out 
> of my days to complete the simplest tasks to more involved ones.
> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the Genius 
> Bar might accomplish?
> Christine
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Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk utility 
first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web browser I 
use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, whenever I 
perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through headings or other 
information, busy becomes a monster and is costing literally taking hours out 
of my days to cpmplete the simplest tasks to more involved ones.
Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the Genius 
Bar might accomplish?
Christine

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Re: help with Lyft app

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Got it.  As always, thanks, Jonathan. I didn't even know a help site existed.  
that's handy!
Cheers,
Donna



> On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> I believe XP is 6 passengers and Lyft mode is 4 passengers. Descriptions are 
> at:
> https://help.lyft.com/hc/en-us/articles/115012927427-Lyft-ride-modes-overview 
> 
> 
> for changing the work/home shortcuts I found an edit button one swipe after 
> the address listed.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 7:19 PM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm just starting to use Lyft, and have two questions.
> 
> 1.  I need to edit my work location.  How do I do that?
> 2.  When I go to book a ride, I see two choices, Lyft 4 and Lyft Excel (sp).  
> What is the difference between those two options?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: attaching files again

[Jonathan Cohn]

If you were asking how to navigate with threats, that depends on whether
you have conversation with you on or off in your mail application.
If you have a conversation in a separate window, then by stop interacting
enough times (usually twice) you can move by message using VoiceOver
previous and next commands.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 8:04 AM Pavel Yefetov  wrote:

> how to navegate in threds inmail on mac with voice over .
> pavlo yefetov
>
>
> 31 июля 2018 г., в 22:19, Jonathan Cohn  написал(а):
>
>
> I’m sorry, but once again I am not sure what you are asking. Your subject
> does not appear to match your message.
>
> On Jul 31, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Pavel Yefetov  wrote:
>
> Hi there I have a suggestion I have a question for you how to navigate in
> Mac by thread without one message at a time please give me a suggestion how
> to navigate this family affair with voiceover
>
> Отправлено с iPhone
>
> 9 июля 2018 г., в 16:24, Pavel Yefetov  написал(а):
>
> no you must look at the toolbar in your mail app wen you si the atach fail
> press on that botton pavlo yefetov
>
> суббота, 7 июля 2018 г., 23:47:13 UTC+3 пользователь Donna написал:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> OK, so I just tried to attach files the way Jason suggested, using
>> Command-Shift-A.  Same result.  Rather than showing the filenames, it just
>> said Image.  Am I the only one having this problem?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: How do I clear Terminal?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Actually, the buffer is what vo cursor keys see. There is also the shell
history which stores the last N commands. The size of this history can be
set in your bashrc files. If you use arrow keys without the VO modifier and
you are on the [myname] prompt you can review and edit prior commands. This
is entirely different from the terminal buffer
.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 11:35 AM dan d.  wrote:

> The terminal  has a buffer wich stores previous commands for reuse if
> desired.  Using arrow up will revisit those commands in reverse order.
>
> This can be cleared by cmd+k and/or cmd+option+k.  The second is more
> extensive.
>
> There will be a vo announcement of the outcome.
> When in terminal from the menu choose terminal, then preferences, then
> window.
>
> Near the end of the items there are terminal buffer items which can be set
> by a numerical value.  This includes how much memory to devote to
> the bufffer and its size limit.
>
> Another related terminal command is to replace the k above with r, this
> will reset the terminal, also with vo feedback..
>
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>
> > Dear List,
> > Evertime I open Terminal, everything I ever typed is there.
> > I can???t seem to delete it.
> > How do I clear the screen?
> > I tried from the edit menu with no luck.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rob
> >
> >
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Re: Booting From Another Startup Disk

[matthew dyer]

Brandon,
Yes. While booting, hold the option key to bring up target disk mode. Left 
arrow once to select the startup disk and press enter. If all goes well it 
should boot. Hth.


On August 13, 2018 11:05:12 AM "Brandon A. Olivares" 
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> Is it possible to accessibly select another startup disk when booting? I 
> know in some modes there's a limited version of Voiceover. Is this one of 
> them?
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Re: help with Lyft app

[Jonathan Cohn]

Donna,

I believe XP is 6 passengers and Lyft mode is 4 passengers. Descriptions
are at:
https://help.lyft.com/hc/en-us/articles/115012927427-Lyft-ride-modes-overview

for changing the work/home shortcuts I found an edit button one swipe after
the address listed.

HTH

Jonathan Cohn

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> Hi all,
>
> I'm just starting to use Lyft, and have two questions.
>
> 1.  I need to edit my work location.  How do I do that?
> 2.  When I go to book a ride, I see two choices, Lyft 4 and Lyft Excel
> (sp).  What is the difference between those two options?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: How do I clear Terminal?

[dan d.]

The terminal  has a buffer wich stores previous commands for reuse if desired.  
Using arrow up will revisit those commands in reverse order.

This can be cleared by cmd+k and/or cmd+option+k.  The second is more extensive.

There will be a vo announcement of the outcome.
When in terminal from the menu choose terminal, then preferences, then window.

Near the end of the items there are terminal buffer items which can be set by a 
numerical value.  This includes how much memory to devote to
the bufffer and its size limit.

Another related terminal command is to replace the k above with r, this will 
reset the terminal, also with vo feedback..

On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Dear List,
> Evertime I open Terminal, everything I ever typed is there.
> I can???t seem to delete it.
> How do I clear the screen?
> I tried from the edit menu with no luck.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
>

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Booting From Another Startup Disk

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Is it possible to accessibly select another startup disk when booting? I know 
in some modes there's a limited version of Voiceover. Is this one of them?

Brandon

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Re: Comment: First impressions after nearly a month with Apple's 2018 13-inch MacBook Pro, 9 to 5 Mac

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

Well, I care about sound and functionality, but you’re right otherwise. Sound 
quality and 3D/surround sound is a big thing for me.

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:12 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> No wonder some sighted people are so shallow.  All they care about is the 
> damn screen!  We tend to care about actual functionality.  Is it any wonder 
> they’re such dunderheads?
> 
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, M. Taylor > > wrote:
>> 
>> Comment: First impressions after nearly a month with Apple’s 2018 13-inch
>> MacBook Pro, 9 to 5 Mac
>> By Chance Miller 
>> 
>> Apple’s 2018 MacBook Pro has been available for almost a month now and
>> despite the fact that the update was announced via a press release, this
>> year’s revision brings some notable changes. While everything looks the same
>> on the surface, the 2018 MacBook Pro packs more power, an improved keyboard,
>> and more.
>> Switching from a 12-inch MacBook
>> For the past year, I’ve been a loyal user of Apple’s 12-inch MacBook. While
>> I was fond of its small and easily portable profile, I grew tired of the
>> cramped 12-inch screen size and inferior processor and other internal specs.
>> Coming to the 13-inch MacBook Pro, I was worried the added weight and
>> thickness would be jarring – but what I’ve actually found is that the added
>> screen real estate and processing power are more than worth the additional
>> heft.
>> The 13-inch MacBook Pro weighs in at 3.02 pounds, which compares to the 2.03
>> pounds of the 12-inch MacBook. While a 50 percent increase in weight may
>> seem like a lot on paper, it really comes down to your needs. Personally,
>> I’m at a point where I’d rather have additional power and screen real estate
>> than a machine that is 1 pound lighter.
>> 
>> In fact, a few times over the last three weeks with the 13-inch 2018 MacBook
>> Pro, I’ve wondered if I would like the 15-inch model even more. In general,
>> however, I’ve been able to qualm this internal questioning by adjusting the
>> resolution of the display. By default, the MacBook Pro 13-inch ships at a
>> scaled resolution that appears like 1440×900. Personally, I’ve found it
>> incredibly beneficial to change this setting to the next step up, which
>> “looks like” 1680×1050, according to Apple.
>> Ultimately, what I’ve found is that for my needs, the 13-inch MacBook Pro is
>> a perfect size. As a student, I get the portability I need, paired with
>> enough screen real estate and horsepower underneath the hood for anything
>> I’ll throw its way.
>> True Tone makes a difference
>> On the surface, the addition of True Tone technology doesn’t necessarily
>> sound like a big change. Much like on the iPhone and iPad, however, it’s
>> hard to go back once you’ve experienced it.
>> True Tone is Apple’s display technology that automatically adjusts the color
>> and intensity of your display (and Touch Bar) based on your surroundings.
>> Apple touts that True Tone makes things “appear more natural,” with more of
>> a yellow tint than the classic blue tint of most computer displays.
>> The True Tone technology in MacBook Pro (2018) uses advanced multichannel
>> sensors to adjust the color and intensity of your display and Touch Bar to
>> match the ambient light so that images appear more natural.
>> Just because I’m a fan of True Tone, however, doesn’t mean it’s for
>> everyone. On a pro-grade machine, there are plenty of use cases where True
>> Tone just doesn’t make sense – including photo and video editing, graphic
>> design, and much more.
>> Thankfully, Apple makes it relatively easy to disable True Tone. Simply head
>> to System Preferences, choose “Displays” and look for the True Tone check
>> box. Once you uncheck True Tone, you’ll immediately notice a difference in
>> your display’s temperature and color.
>> For me, True Tone support has been a long time coming for the Mac – but it’s
>> nice that Apple makes it easy enough to disable in instances where it
>> doesn’t make sense.
>> Keyboard
>> 
>> Ah, the controversial keyboard. I don’t really have a lot to say here as
>> I’ve been a fan of the Butterfly keyboard. I was an early adopter of the
>> 12-inch MacBook when it first launched in 2015, so I’ve become accustomed to
>> it over the years.
>> The improvements Apple has made since 2015 are certainly notable. This time
>> around, the company touted that the keyboard is “quieter,” while teardowns
>> revealed that the new keyboard actually features an additional silicon
>> membrane to prevent debris from getting under the keys.
>> This change fixes the biggest problem I had with the Butterfly keyboard:
>> keys getting stuck because of debris like crumbs getting underneath. Perhaps
>> it’s because I’ve used the Butterfly keyboard for three years, but I’ve
>> grown very fond of the low key travel and have no complaint

Re: help with Lyft app

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Mike,

The app is extremely accessible.  I haven't yet found anything that you can't 
do using VO, I think the work address issue isn't an accessibility issue, I 
think it's just that I can't figure out how to do it.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 7:49 AM, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> Although I cannot answer your question, IK would like to thank you for 
> posting it.  I was under the impression that Lyft was not VO friendly.  Now, 
> all I need to do is find out whether or not Lyft is available here in 
> Austria.  
> 
> Thanks again for your posting, and I hope that someone will be able to answer 
> your question.
> 
> Mike 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13.08.2018, at 01:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm just starting to use Lyft, and have two questions.
>> 
>> 1.  I need to edit my work location.  How do I do that?
>> 2.  When I go to book a ride, I see two choices, Lyft 4 and Lyft Excel (sp). 
>>  What is the difference between those two options?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: help with Lyft app

[Michael Busboom]

Hello Donna,

Although I cannot answer your question, IK would like to thank you for posting 
it.  I was under the impression that Lyft was not VO friendly.  Now, all I need 
to do is find out whether or not Lyft is available here in Austria.  

Thanks again for your posting, and I hope that someone will be able to answer 
your question.

Mike 



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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm just starting to use Lyft, and have two questions.
> 
> 1.  I need to edit my work location.  How do I do that?
> 2.  When I go to book a ride, I see two choices, Lyft 4 and Lyft Excel (sp).  
> What is the difference between those two options?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Navigating message components in Apple Mail

[Michael Busboom]

Actually, Alex, you were far more helpful than you may realize.  This is very 
embarrassing, because I should have known better.  The problem was  with me, 
not VoiceOver or my MacBook Pro.

The mistake I repeatedly made was that I had not stopped interacting with the 
body of the message so actually, VO was behaving properly all along.

So thanks for your help, though after all these years of using the Mac, I 
shouldn’t have made that type of mistake.

Best regards and thanks again,

Mike



> On 11.08.2018, at 14:44, 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries 
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> That's odd, because shift-tab works here. It worked on High Sierra, and it 
> still works on the Mojave betas. It's the only method I use, actually. Even 
> if that isn't working for some reason, VO commands should. Here, I can stop 
> interacting with my message body, then vo-left and get to the subject, from 
> address, and other options just as expected. I can't think of anything that 
> might be stopping this on your system. Sorry I can't be of more help.
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 07:40, Michael Busboom > > wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately, that seems to be no longer the solution.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10.08.2018, at 15:53, michael dailey >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am not on the sam os, but shift tab worked for me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mike Dailey
>>> mpd...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 10, 2018, at 7:42 AM, Michael Busboom >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 I should start out by saying that I am running the latest OS on my 2016 
 MacBook Pro.
 
 Here’s the problem:
 
 I recently wrote a note to several friends and in the course of my 
 writing, I decided I wanted to change the subject and change the email 
 address from which the message would be sent.  Once inside the body of the 
 message, I was unable to get back to fields where I could modify the 
 subject line and change the address from wwhich I wanted to send the note. 
  When I stopped interacting with the body of my message, I was still 
 unable to get to the fields I wanted to change.  Using the Item Chooser 
 didn’t reveal anything I could click on, unless I am missing the obvious.
 
 Any help would be both welcome and greatly appreciated.
 
 Have a nice weekend, everybody, and thanks!
 
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Re: attaching files again

[Pavel Yefetov]

how to navegate in threds inmail on mac with voice over .
pavlo yefetov 


> 31 июля 2018 г., в 22:19, Jonathan Cohn  написал(а):
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> I’m sorry, but once again I am not sure what you are asking. Your subject 
> does not appear to match your message. 
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Pavel Yefetov > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there I have a suggestion I have a question for you how to navigate in 
>> Mac by thread without one message at a time please give me a suggestion how 
>> to navigate this family affair with voiceover
>> 
>> Отправлено с iPhone
>> 
>> 9 июля 2018 г., в 16:24, Pavel Yefetov > > написал(а):
>> 
>>> no you must look at the toolbar in your mail app wen you si the atach fail 
>>> press on that botton pavlo yefetov 
>>> 
>>> суббота, 7 июля 2018 г., 23:47:13 UTC+3 пользователь Donna написал:
>>> Hi all, 
>>> 
>>> OK, so I just tried to attach files the way Jason suggested, using 
>>> Command-Shift-A.  Same result.  Rather than showing the filenames, it just 
>>> said Image.  Am I the only one having this problem? 
>>> Cheers, 
>>> Donna
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Re: Comment: First impressions after nearly a month with Apple's 2018 13-inch MacBook Pro, 9 to 5 Mac

[Raymond Foret Jr]

No wonder some sighted people are so shallow.  All they care about is the damn 
screen!  We tend to care about actual functionality.  Is it any wonder they’re 
such dunderheads?


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Aug 12, 2018, at 8:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Comment: First impressions after nearly a month with Apple’s 2018 13-inch
> MacBook Pro, 9 to 5 Mac
> By Chance Miller 
> 
> Apple’s 2018 MacBook Pro has been available for almost a month now and
> despite the fact that the update was announced via a press release, this
> year’s revision brings some notable changes. While everything looks the same
> on the surface, the 2018 MacBook Pro packs more power, an improved keyboard,
> and more.
> Switching from a 12-inch MacBook
> For the past year, I’ve been a loyal user of Apple’s 12-inch MacBook. While
> I was fond of its small and easily portable profile, I grew tired of the
> cramped 12-inch screen size and inferior processor and other internal specs.
> Coming to the 13-inch MacBook Pro, I was worried the added weight and
> thickness would be jarring – but what I’ve actually found is that the added
> screen real estate and processing power are more than worth the additional
> heft.
> The 13-inch MacBook Pro weighs in at 3.02 pounds, which compares to the 2.03
> pounds of the 12-inch MacBook. While a 50 percent increase in weight may
> seem like a lot on paper, it really comes down to your needs. Personally,
> I’m at a point where I’d rather have additional power and screen real estate
> than a machine that is 1 pound lighter.
> 
> In fact, a few times over the last three weeks with the 13-inch 2018 MacBook
> Pro, I’ve wondered if I would like the 15-inch model even more. In general,
> however, I’ve been able to qualm this internal questioning by adjusting the
> resolution of the display. By default, the MacBook Pro 13-inch ships at a
> scaled resolution that appears like 1440×900. Personally, I’ve found it
> incredibly beneficial to change this setting to the next step up, which
> “looks like” 1680×1050, according to Apple.
> Ultimately, what I’ve found is that for my needs, the 13-inch MacBook Pro is
> a perfect size. As a student, I get the portability I need, paired with
> enough screen real estate and horsepower underneath the hood for anything
> I’ll throw its way.
> True Tone makes a difference
> On the surface, the addition of True Tone technology doesn’t necessarily
> sound like a big change. Much like on the iPhone and iPad, however, it’s
> hard to go back once you’ve experienced it.
> True Tone is Apple’s display technology that automatically adjusts the color
> and intensity of your display (and Touch Bar) based on your surroundings.
> Apple touts that True Tone makes things “appear more natural,” with more of
> a yellow tint than the classic blue tint of most computer displays.
> The True Tone technology in MacBook Pro (2018) uses advanced multichannel
> sensors to adjust the color and intensity of your display and Touch Bar to
> match the ambient light so that images appear more natural.
> Just because I’m a fan of True Tone, however, doesn’t mean it’s for
> everyone. On a pro-grade machine, there are plenty of use cases where True
> Tone just doesn’t make sense – including photo and video editing, graphic
> design, and much more.
> Thankfully, Apple makes it relatively easy to disable True Tone. Simply head
> to System Preferences, choose “Displays” and look for the True Tone check
> box. Once you uncheck True Tone, you’ll immediately notice a difference in
> your display’s temperature and color.
> For me, True Tone support has been a long time coming for the Mac – but it’s
> nice that Apple makes it easy enough to disable in instances where it
> doesn’t make sense.
> Keyboard
> 
> Ah, the controversial keyboard. I don’t really have a lot to say here as
> I’ve been a fan of the Butterfly keyboard. I was an early adopter of the
> 12-inch MacBook when it first launched in 2015, so I’ve become accustomed to
> it over the years.
> The improvements Apple has made since 2015 are certainly notable. This time
> around, the company touted that the keyboard is “quieter,” while teardowns
> revealed that the new keyboard actually features an additional silicon
> membrane to prevent debris from getting under the keys.
> This change fixes the biggest problem I had with the Butterfly keyboard:
> keys getting stuck because of debris like crumbs getting underneath. Perhaps
> it’s because I’ve used the Butterfly keyboard for three years, but I’ve
> grown very fond of the low key travel and have no complaints there.
> In terms of quietness, there’s certainly a very subtle difference, but
> nothing worth writing home about. It’s still louder than the old MacBook Pro
> keyboards, but I personally don’t think that’s a huge issue. It is, however,
> hard to ignore that Apple likely isn’t touting the true improvements o